moonlight ramble…

Diego (Creative Director of Burn 02) and i are sitting on my front porch…sipping  a tequila, enjoying the total quiet…Burn of course comes up even though we have both agreed not to talk about Burn…but we have a question…for you..our question to all of you is this, and it is a serious question as we often think about in our comment section, which is always the topic of conversation when it comes to change…

anyway, the question is this: why are the numbers of comments often in direct inverse proportion to the quality of the essay? exceptions of course….yet think about it…go back and look…do some quick research…not a challenge, just a real interesting thing to think about…probably a simple answer…now, sure we all to give and take a bit on my tastes etc etc..but what i am talking about are stories over time of all tastes…

by the way, this magazine would be dead as a doornail if i actually set out to consciously please this audience…the more time goes on, the less i am interested in any kind of outside support…all the more reason for me not to try to over please….yes of course i want you to be happy…but that is another concept…whomever wants to be here will just be here….no advertising, no weird pressure… the bullet: i think in the very near future i can pull the top pro talents together to create a serious tour de force and still have Burn be an all important first step for an i really want to get there photographer….seems needed doesn’t it??

yes, as usual i have crazy ideas…but as you also know i make at least some of them come true…when i was a kid , i always wanted my imagination to be real….and so thus i have lived… i have an idea, actually easy to do, that if i laid it out right now, some might just steal it….maybe nobody can steal it…all of my ideas for Burn have always been transparent….and i am sure this will be too…just need to sit on it for a few days….anyway, all to good end is always my motive….i do not need any more stuff…my porch good enough forever….i just want to work to make cool things happen….squeeze the most out of talent and knock viewers between the eyes or spawn a subtle visual sensibility….

ok, back to the porch…


641 Responses to “moonlight ramble…”

  • comments are comments some are non descript others like this are a friggin great ……. “I have no intentions of spending a day with pretentious pricks who cut holes in their pockets to get the “real” feel of pocket billiards”

  • would a group essay of the “Occupy” protests from all over the US be of interest?…………probably to Americans

    And to people outside the U.S. who’s minds are slightly less narrow than an HO gauge track.

  • Re; comments. I hardly ever comment on essays; I just feel uncomfortable discussing it; would much rather chat to the photographer over a few beers… :-) The only time I would ever close comments on an essay (if one of mine were ever to be published on Burn) would be if the subjects in the essay were to be (or likely to be) subjected to personal attacks by posters.
    For me; if the subject was vulnerable I wouldn’t allow “public” comments. If the comments were solely directed at the quality of the work; no worries, rip into it. But I don’t know if I’d want to risk a vulnerable person’s lifestyle/choices being called into question rather than critiquing the actual essay. Just my 2c :-)

  • Michael I doubt if you are politically concerned about other people’s backyards, few if any comments from you come about affairs in Asia.

  • comments like And to people outside the U.S. who’s minds are slightly less narrow than an HO gauge track. show up your inability to move on what a poor soul you have

  • Regarding the question about the comments and the essays – If an essay is good, and everyone likes it, there is usually not much to add, besides to say it is good. If an essay is parting the audience, some people like it, some hate it – we get conversations. I think, it is like with light. If you have really strong light, you get deep shadows. If there is softer, but good light, the shadows are less important.

    However, I don’t know too much about photography, I enjoy taking pictures, looking and collecting pictures.

    I love to hang around here, read the comments and the insights you, David or the other give here.
    The community, the emotion, the burn family is something which is a constant in my life I would deeply miss.

  • Thomas , we all know deep inside that all things must pass…So is Burn…someday we will all feel like we missed a whole family…someday..when it all will be over..done..history!
    but isnt death that makes life so important and valuable?
    So i think we should all enjoy what WE ALL COLLECTIVELY created (under that Harvey umbrella of course)
    and honor while its still there..Everything is temporary and everything is flowing constantly…nothing lasts! enjoy the moment!(although the tacos NOT the best idea today…oh well…!)

  • Folks, No need to get defensive. We are just “commenting” on a “dialogue” post.

    The way I see it. There are 2 types of viewers that come to Burn.
    1.) The “burnian”
    2.) The non “burnian”- who just wants to look at serious work and doesn’t want or have time for an online community

    Even though we have distinct Categories on the Right Side of the burn website (photographic essays, dialogue etc.), it all displays together & blends as one feed on the main page.

    Wouldn’t it be cool to create a burnians online lounge (New York Loft style) to hang out in? We can still discuss the photographic essays of burn, the politics, the comic strips etc.

    This can allow burn to develop and grow.
    Why settle for either/or, comments/no comments when you can have both.

    Peace out.

  • No, I don’t obsess over individual continents or countries. Humans are the same all over in my view. They are all affected by the venality of global corporations.

    And many thanks for your concern over my (nonexistent) soul. Too quaint. Allow m to return favor… Stop obsessing, Imants. It’s not good for your “tortured” soul.

  • Michael unfortunately you are the one who comes out with those nasty responses to my posts (minds are slightly less narrow than an HO gauge track) so I respond with bait that catches you every time You don’t even realise how US centric you are in your comments

  • Just to widen that track-guage a little, Toronto will be having their own Occupy demonstration this Saturday. Weather permitting, I’ll be there.

    Calgary is set for one, too.

  • This is one clean-up that could get messy.

    Brookfield Properties, which owns the downtown Manhattan park that has become the home base of the Occupy Wall Street protests, announced on Thursday that it wants all protesters off its property starting at 7 a.m. Friday so it can tidy up the park grounds. It said the demonstrators can come back after the cleaning—as long as they abide by park rules. Those rules prohibit tents, tarps, sleeping bags, and the storage of any personal property. That would effectively end the demonstration, in which activists have camped out in Zuccotti Park for the past three-and-a-half weeks to protest wealth inequality.

    “They’re going to use the cleanup to get us out of here,” a dismayed protester told the Associated Press. “It’s a de facto eviction notice.”

    Since the demonstrations began on Sept. 17, Zuccotti Park has become the focal point of a growing nationwide movement directed at corporate creed, corruption, and income inequality. Because it’s privately owned, protesters haven’t been subject to the same rules as they would be in a public park. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said recently that they could stay indefinitely as long as they obey the law. Brookfield’s decision to step in, however, would make it difficult to maintain the occupation.

    The protesters are already vowing not to comply. Gothamist printed a statement from the group’s organizers on Thursday, saying, “We won’t allow Bloomberg and the NYPD to foreclose our occupation. This is an occupation, not a permitted picnic.”

    That could mean a big showdown with police. While Brookfield is legally required to allow around-the-clock public access, it is also allowed to enforce regulations. In a letter obtained by the blog The Dissenter, Brookfield wrote to NYPD commissioner Ray Kelly on Tuesday asking for help moving the protesters. From the letter:

    After weeks of occupation, conditions at the Park have deteriorated to unsanitary and unsafe levels. The Park has no toilets and while the existing trash receptacles have always been more than adequate to accommodate normal waste in the park, those receptacles are no longer even close to sufficient and the resulting trash accumulation is attracting rodents…

    Kelly, the police commissioner, told the New York Post on Thursday, “People will have to remove all their belongings and leave the park. After it’s cleaned, they’ll be able to come back. But they won’t be able to bring back the gear, the sleeping bags, that sort of thing will not be able to be brought back into the park.”

    How might the confrontation play out? The Daily News reports that organizers wrote on their Facebook page, “We’ll position ourselves with our brooms and mops in a human chain around the park, linked at the arms. If the NYPD attempts to enter, we’ll peacefully/non-violently stand our ground and those who are willing will get arrested.”

    Meanwhile, some protesters are mounting their own last-minute cleanup effort in hopes of being allowed to stay.

  • George Soros and the protesters deny any connection. But Reuters did find indirect financial links between Soros and Adbusters, an anti-capitalist group in Canada which started the protests with an inventive marketing campaign aimed at sparking an Arab Spring type uprising against Wall Street.

  • Ross, “I hardly ever comment on essays; I just feel uncomfortable discussing it; would much rather chat to the photographer over a few beers… :-” I am, and most here are, with you on that one: we should all think of our conversations as such.



    Occupy Wall Street has already won, perhaps not the victory most of its participants want, but a momentous victory nonetheless. It has already altered our political debate, changed the agenda, shifted the discussion in newspapers, on cable TV, and even around the water cooler. And that is wonderful.

    Suddenly, the issues of equity, fairness, justice, income distribution, and accountability for the economic cataclysm–issues all but ignored for a generation—are front and center. We have moved beyond the one-dimensional conversation about how much and where to cut the deficit. Questions more central to the social fabric of our nation have returned to the heart of the political debate. By forcing this new discussion, OWS has made most of the other participants in our politics—who either didn’t want to have this conversation or weren’t able to make it happen—look pretty small.

    Surely, you might say, other factors have contributed: A convergence of horrifying economic data has crystallized the public’s underlying anxiety. Data show that median family income declined by 6.7 percent over the past two years, the unemployment rate is stuck at 9.1 percent in the October report (16.5 percent if you look at the more meaningful U6 number), and 46.2 million Americans are living in poverty—the most in more than 50 years. Certainly, those data help make Occupy Wall Street’s case.

    But until these protests, no political figure or movement had made Americans pay attention to these facts in a meaningful way. Indeed, over the long hot summer, as poverty rose and unemployment stagnated, the entire discussion was about cutting our deficit.

    And then OWS showed up. They brought something that had been in short supply: passion—the necessary ingredient that powers citizen activism. The tempered, carefully modulated, and finely nuanced statements of Beltway politicians and policy wonks do not alter the debate.

    Of course, the visceral emotions that accompany citizen activism generate not only an energy that can change politics but an incoherence that is easily mocked. OWS is not a Brookings Institution report with five carefully researched policy points and an appendix of data. It is a leaderless movement, and it can often be painfully simplistic in its economic critique, lacking in subtlety in its political strategies, and marred by fringe elements whose presence distracts and demeans. Yet, the point of OWS is not to be subtle, parsed, or nuanced. Its role is to drag politics to a different place, to provide the exuberance and energy upon which reform can take place.

    The major social movements that have transformed our country since its founding all began as passionate grassroots activism that then radiated out. Only later do traditional politicians get involved. The history of the civil rights movement, women’s rights movement, labor movement, peace movement, environmental movement, gay rights movement, and, yes, even the Tea Party, follow this model. In every instance, visceral emotions about justice, right, and wrong ignited a movement. Precise demands and strategies followed later. So the critique of OWS as unformed and sometimes shallow may be correct, but it is also irrelevant.

    Just as importantly, most of those who are so critical of OWS have failed to recognize inflection points in our politics. They fail to recognize that the public is responding to OWS because it is desperate for somebody to speak with the passion, and even anger, that has filled the public since the inequities and failures of our economy have become so apparent.

    Will the influence of OWS continue? Will it continue to capture the imagination of the public? Will it morph into a more concrete movement with sufficiently precise objectives that it can craft a strategy with real goals and strategies for attaining them? These are impossible questions to answer right now.

    Could it launch a citizen petition demanding that a Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, or Paul Volcker be brought into government as a counterweight to or replacement for the establishment voice of Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner? Maybe. Could OWS demand meetings with top—government officials? Could it demand answers to tough questions—from the specific (explain the government’s conflicting statements about the AIG-Goldman bailout) to the more theoretical (why “moral hazard” is a reason to limit government aid only cited when the beneficiaries would be everyday citizens)?

    There is much ground to cover before real reform, but as a voice challenging a self-satisfied, well-protected status quo, OWS is already powerful and successful.

  • MOORE-BACON rumors…

    Maybe I was wrong about this Reuters story. In my first read, I’d overlooked this nugget.

    Other support for Occupy Wall Street has come from online funding website Kickstarter, where more than $75,000 has been pledged, deliveries of food and from cash dropped in a bucket at the park. Liberal film maker Michael Moore has also pledged to donate money.

    But where did Moore get that money? Let’s investigate. In 1987, Kevin Bacon played the small role of “Taxi Racer” in Planes, Trains and Automobiles. (He’s the jerk who steals a taxi from Steve Martin. Spoiler.)

  • Veterans attacked and arrested at Occupy Boston

  • Panos, you are right.
    There and here is much to honor and to be happy about. Hey, I loved your presentation of the burn-ed garden. That made me feel like a little bit being there.

    I have to admit, I am tired today – sometimes if you have a job which does not exactly serve where your heart is, it is exhausting .. and yes, life is a constant change .. you know, I wasn’t travelling much during the last months, Europe turns to winter time, I’m becoming melancholic, not sure if that is good :)

  • today’s coolest paradox was ONCE again the “commenting regarding the comments”….laughing!
    Even folks that usually are not commenting they simply decided to comment today (over comments about comments)…
    smile y’all and keep commenting or NOT…one thing fo sho: Universe Expanding Fast..very very fast!


    “the discovery of the accelerating expansion of the Universe through observations of distant supernovae.”

  • Panos I love the video above …….. the videoing of photographers and video shooters

  • anyone grabbing an iPhone4s tomorrow?

  • jeff:

    many of those same posers stood silent all these years about Brooksfield (incidentally, the place where wpp is shown)….the BOLDEST statement was when Marcus had his exhibition there about the gold/war in congo in the atrium…where were all the hipsters then?…..

    the REAL fight isn’t the protests….but making the difference in lives around us….

    any of those folk on demonstrating spent time on monday helping at the shelters on Monday?…..

    i’d rather spend my time there, (done, btw), then at brookfield….

    incidentally, giving food sans camera,

    will let you know when i give the looming talk

  • Jeff i was protesting with them and as Imants pointed out , it is funny having photogs shooting photogs..smiling..more cameras than actual people..

    reposting slideshow from SA


  • I would like to take this opportunity to comment here and to apologize to each and every one of you reading this now for not taking the opportunity to comment on a previous occasion. The opportunity to comment does not come around often enough—the recent spike in cassava prices may have something to do with that, what with most comments getting more or less the same mileage they did back in the 1970’s—and it was a truly unconscionable lack of judgment on my part not to have commented at that time. One cannot comment often enough these days, I think, and so I wish to reiterate my comments for not having commented when I should have commented. As comments go, of course, this isn’t a very good one, and I would comment for that, but then again, I am not a professional commenter with an advanced degree in commenting, for which lack I would like to comment at this time. I am an entirely self-taught commenter and so my comments tend to be a little rough around the edges, and so I would like to again comment for my inexcusable commenting autdidactism.

    I wanted to be a commenter when I was a boy; all of my childhood heroes were commenters and I would have collected commenter bubble gum cards had someone manufactured them in those days. No one did, the times being benighted as they were, and so I had to settle for collecting the baseball cards of players having bad years. If there was a pitcher on a last place team who couldn’t find the strike zone if he was standing ten feet in front of it with a half-blind umpire behind the plate, I had his card; if there was a hitter who couldn’t hit the broad side of a fat babe’s butt with a 2 x 4, I had his card as well. Sometimes I collected good players, but only if they were on the disabled list with a pulled hamstring or a torn rotator cuff. I kept all of my baseball cards in an old shoebox my father called the litany of woes, because everyone in the box had an excuse for why they weren’t playing as well as they might that season.

    As you’ve probably surmised by now, I did not get to be a commenter. My parents opposed the idea out of hand, pointing out that commenters, however well they did the job, got paid squat. This was true, of course; commenting did not pay very well then unless you were Walter Lippman. In addition to the poor pay, most people in those days regarded professional commenters as little better than sob sisters, PR men, and Red Sox fans. Mindful of these facts, my parents insisted that I find some more remunerative line of endeavor like dope peddling or swindling little old ladies out of their life savings. I commented on not living up to their expectations, whereupon my father threw a fit and a Fig Newton at me and told me to shut up, he was sick of my comments. He was like that sometimes. I remember one Christmas where he dressed up like Santa Claus (say what you will about him, Pop could do a mean Santa impression) and came down the stairs to his waiting children with a sack of toys thrown over his shoulder and then threw cans of string beans he’d gotten for half price at us. That was a wonderful Christmas, or so my brothers tell me; I had a pretty bad concussion so my memory of that day is a little fuzzy.

    Now, at this point you’re probably wondering why I’m commenting for just about everything under the son and, I’m sorry to say this, I’m wondering why you’re wondering. Explanations are so last century, after all; there hasn’t been a truly reasonable explanation for anything ever since Calvin Coolidge’s press secretary, C. Bascom Slemp, invented the cardboard tube that toilet paper comes wrapped around in 1897, but this hasn’t stopped people from looking for them. The modern comment, unlike many other art forms, and definitely unlike the classical comment, is about nothing at all. It is, in short, Seinfeldian in its philosophical provenance. You do not need to have done something wrong in order to comment on it in this our postmodern Great Republic. Politicians spend a lot of time commenting on one thing or another, especially during an election year, where if pandering for votes won’t work, a pol will grovel for them. I’m especially fond of pols commenting on events that occurred years, sometimes centuries, before any of us were born. Still, it’s nice to know that their hearts are in the right place, even if all that and a couple of bucks will buy you is a ride on the subway.

    In any case, I don’t think I would have made a very good professional commenter. In listening to my comments on tape, I can tell that I lack the one great gift of the true commenter: sincerity. Yes, I can comment all day long, and as a part of my work, I’ve often had to do just that, but the people I’m commenting to can tell it’s all form and no substance. They can tell I am saying, I am terribly sorry for the inconvenience, sir, but that I’m thinking, buzz off, dumbass, and take your ugly wife with you. Sam Goldwyn had it right: if you can fake sincerity, you’ve got it made. I just don’t have that in me, I guess.

  • There seems to be a bridge between today’s discussion and the Occupy movement. Both are dealing passionately somewhere in the middle of the left/right spectrum, somewhere in the middle of the status quo/change spectrum. Both unanimously are against greed.

    (Is this irony? I’m not sure; only last week did I discover what parody was.)

  • SFJason, the new OS is stunning!i upgraded firmware on the 4, and tons of new features…dont get me started ;)

  • But Brooklyn isn’t expanding…although my brother is and will continue to do so until he lays off those fried Snickers bars…

  • Panos… then I shall occupy the local Apple store tomorrow.

  • jeff: ;)))

    well, half-in, half-out ;))))….

    part true: we feed folk and help in the foodbanks and many of those folk doing their biz at Brookfield chanting do not…the great irony when we were there….

    but also teasing u too….



    ohhhhhhh btw………i so forgot to show u some Texas Drought photos i did when i was shooting the “Heat Advisory”

    here is a present from me to AKAKY (for all the smiles he gave me), here some Drought photos in return as a big Thank you!;)

    slideshow , click below:

  • Akaky,
    I apologize if I comment on only reading the 1st and last paragraph of your comment post.

  • “I wanted to be a commenter when I was a boy; all of my childhood heroes were commenters…”


  • Panos; Pic #2; did Wiley Coyote wait too long for the Roadrunner to arrive? Must’ve forgotten his Acme water bottle when buying the Acme anvil…. ;-) Yeah I know; looks more like a fox; but why let the facts get in the way of a story…. ;-)

  • Akaky: Now, THAT’s satire! Right? ;)

    Bob: What is so interesting about the Occupy Wall Street movement and its off-shoots is the way they have taken over the centre, without turning it into a left versus right protest. Compare that to the G20 fiasco in Toronto, where a small group of Black Brigades drop-kicked the efforts’ of the entire 20,000 peaceful protesters. As long as the Occupy Movement can keep the peace, and be civilly disobedient, the media will be unable to spin this between the white hats and the black hats. It took the media several days to figure that there was strong and silent support for the Wall Street event; now even the politicians are paying attention. And both are still scratching their heads in befuddlement.

    I don’t know where it’ll all be going. My hope is that the protest will invigorate the middle class somehow; they are the ones that have suffered the most, relatively. It is painful to see the bottom and top of society grow because the middle is disappearing! I never did agree with Milton Friedman – that the wealthy pulls society upward. For me it has always been about the effort’s of the middle.

    And in order to effect change, we do what we can, whether it is feeding the poor on Thanksgiving as did you, or recording the foreclosures in Detroit as did Gilden. It’s all good. I look forward to attending your talk; thanks!

  • im gonna print a T-Shirt : “shut up and comment”

  • I will buy a t-shirt Panos. See, everyone has a good point. Thus the reason we have comments!!!

  • Damn..Lee, we need a “like” button a la facebook…kiddin

  • Jeff; The peaceful protest aspect is what makes these protests work; much better than the mob mentality seen in the UK etc. The return of 60’s style civil disobedience maybe?

  • David, yes, education is a good answer. Can cut many ways.

    Regarding the protests, I’ve spent quite a bit of time there and what I found interesting was watching them try to work out how to get things done in a leaderless, non-governmental democracy. I don’t at all mean to romanticize that aspect of it. It’s actually very painful to watch them try to re-invent that wheel and it’s not going very well at all. Last time I sat in, all the committees came back with recommendations to centralize authority and ban people from the decision making process. That, and pretty much every one of them recommended building a super duper web site that would have like 400 pages and be easy to navigate and be updated immediately whenever anything whatsoever needed to be communicated. Everyone pretty much agreed on those kinds of details, but unless IBM or someone comes in and does it for them, it ain’t happening. And word today is that Bloomberg has had enough and will be shutting it down. I guess they’ll set up a “free speech zone” somewhere out in Queens or somewhere. Freedom here is, if not altogether illusory, only available if the Bloombergs of our world choose to tolerate it.

  • a civilian-mass audience

    oime,hiii…MR.HARVEY has an idea…again and again !

    Well,we have only 7 lives…come on MY PEOPLE…let’s proceed accordingly …
    in my plain English…:

    “listen to your soul,keep shooting,open your vision and your heart,have sex,eat and fart,laugh loud
    and breath” …the rest will be history …sooner or later…
    Have fun…my 2c or 5euros…shhh,I hope IMF doesn’t read this…;)

    I LOVE YOU ALLL…please enjoy the ride…

    P.S…I would love to have a drink with the above MERMAID…
    and good job with the “lighting”;););)

  • Oh, and for those paying attention to the OWS thing, unless things have radically, and I mean radically, changed in the past couple days, the accusation that there’s a lot of open drug use and sex and groping strangers is pure fucking bullshit. The one time I smelled weed several people quickly asked the perp to go smoke elsewhere, emphasized that they didn’t want to give the cops any excuses. And I’d wager that if all of a sudden there is a lot of openly illegal behavior going on, that police sponsored provacateurs are the ones doing it.

  • “Sometimes I think we could streamline the process by simply posting our names under a topic and letting observers fill in our thoughts.” – Jim Powers

  • As you can see, I thought Jim’s theory to be pretty darned good, and so decided to put it to the test. I have set aside a limited-edition single print, numbered “1” of an original, signed, Frostfrog photo of a frog and will give it as an award to the observer who can most accurately fill in the thoughts that I would have expressed in the above post, had I actually commented.

  • JEFF:

    yes, i agree…thought there is a terrible disconnect, in my experience here in T-dot, with the great middle way….and look at the recent provincial election, 48% voting?…fucking horrendous…ditto the u.s….what i like about the Occupy movement in the states is not necessarily its centrality, but its ability to transcend pigeon-holing by others…then again, i’ll vote again for big O but he’s been a disappointment…but i just still wonder about the disconnect between hanging the rich ;)) and the same inability for the mob to have spent some time also helping the disenfranchised…quietly trying to do the right thing here with our lives and helping without the fanfare…but for ontario, look at all that blue, to me that’s more realistic (and disappointing) of the nature of people….

    anyway…must run
    see u soon

  • AKAKY: So what is this drought thing that Panos is talking about?

    AKAKY IRL: A condition caused by heat and the complete absence of rain.

    AKAKY: You’re kidding? No rain? At all?

    AKAKY IRL: You must get out of your provincial bubble, dude. Just because we are up to our necks in water doesn’t mean everyone else is as well.

    AKAKY: That’s true, I guess. But the Ark stocks were a good investment.

    AKAKY IRL: For once you’re right. They were a good investment. Next time don’t stick me down with the skunks, though. They stink.

    AKAKY: Stinking is the point of skunks.

    AKAKY IRL: I know that. I also know that I don’t need a practical demonstration of that fact.

    AKAKY: Sorry.

    AKAKY IRL: Go blow it out your ass.

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