“Color , grace, gesture. Slipping and sliding through nights humid and intimidating. I am both lost and found in a simultaneous rush of primal feelings and needs.”

These were my words for a Bravo paper promo for their paper and printing. A commercial use of my photography but the whole concept, design and writing was  a collaboration between Polish designer Jurek Wadjowicz and yours truly. Of course the pictures were my personal work from the Caribbean and South America . I cannot publish the whole portfolio here, but it was a labor of love and flat out a whole lot of fun to make. Trust me, the kind of commission you will savor. They are rare. I have never worked with anyone in quite the same way as I did with  Jurek. It really was our baby and he made me feel like it was my baby.

Holding the final paper product in my hands now is a certain kind of experience and way of viewing photographs that cannot be duplicated on the computer screen. Yet I and many others scramble every day to make our work viable for mobile devices, like the iPad and Kindle etc. We see our books being reasonably priced iPad books as a secondary offering for the traditionally printed book, or will it be the other way around?

Either way, times are changing. Some top media executives see bookstores closing and all but boutique printing moving to the iPad. Their feeling is that the consumer will happily pay say $5. for an iPad book rather than $50. for a paper book. I will no doubt end up doing both , therefore spending $55., but perhaps I am not the average consumer of photo books. We will see how discerning consumers move on this.

While I work everyday to create a good web experience for you, I also work everyday in traditional media. I live and breathe books. Traditionally printed books. My workshops which always had as the grand finale a slide show from the week of intense shooting by students, will from now on have as the end game a handsomely printed book.

In April during the Juke Joint Festival in Clarksdale , Mississippi  students from my small class will start their shooting knowing that we will be producing a book titled JUKE.  This will not be an  everybody automatically gets 5 pictures in our class book, but a seriously conceived and edited book where each student is going to have to make a truly strong image to be considered for publication. We  will start building this book from day one.

Eileen Gittens, Founder/Ceo of Blurb, told me her company will sponsor JUKE and give us  very special attention.  This will be the first in a series of student produced books.  These may become a part of our upcoming Burn library of carefully thought out books of all kinds including upcoming publication of a wide variety of photographic artists from this audience both emerging and icons alike. Soon to be presented on Burn will be series of iPad  compatible essays,  starting with Chris Anderson and his Capitolio.

ok, QUESTION FOR ALL

So what do you think? i am reading Ross in our comments section  whose book budget is blown after buying 4 books…..what about this? Ross could have perhaps had 4 iPad books for say $20. instead of the probably $200. he spent…the profit to the photographer and publisher is probably also better in the electronic version…book stores closing down….are we seeing the end of the printed book game?

You guys tell us…..we are listening

3,268 thoughts on “is paper hot, or not?”

  1. didn’t really answer the question there; print vs pad.. i mean its hard isn’t it. simply – i see books as works of art. photographers who are taking control of the full production, authorship and distribution of their books can and will turn a profit if the content is compelling and they are savvy in their marketing. plenty of photographers are already doing this – Stephen Gill springs to mind – but it will be the few as opposed to the many who can really make this work; and of course the main market will be photographers selling to photographers and the odd collector.

    in premiership football here in the UK, money gets sloshed around between the clubs – people complain about the huge transfer fees, but ultimately the money is received by one club, and then generally spent again and given to other clubs. every so often a businessman (usually foreign!) comes in and cleans up.

    is the photographic book industry moving towards this model in microcosm?

  2. I prefer looking at something tangible like an art book or photo magazine, but the “ebook” is much more environmentally friendly. I have a stack of 30 magazines in my office now that I haven’t touched (and probably won’t) that will eventually be thrown away.

  3. “are we seeing the end of the printed book game?”

    i hope not!

    i love digital, started shooting with it in 2002… love the whole thing…

    BUT I LOVE LOVE LOVE BOOKS (paper printed ones that is).

    i don’t think you can replace the experience of sitting with a beautiful book.

    IT’S TACTILE THING –
    the ipad or whatever you use will always be a uniform electronic experience, books come in all shapes and sizes… textures… the feel and weight of a good book… the paper quality… even the smell from the print…

    my bookshelf is something i cherish…

  4. a civilian-mass audience

    I wasn’t ready for this one…
    I am not prepared…
    I mean really…I don’t read fast…BUT when you see a masterpiece…
    oime…
    BRAVO to our one and only one MR.DAVID ALAN HARVEY…

    I don’t see “limited”…I see the “only” edition…

    tonight in BURN …we celebrate the Soul of BURN…
    THANK YOU SIR!!!

  5. a civilian-mass audience

    and I will be back to answer the question…
    I believe …there must be a question…somewhere,near the end…hmmm…:)))

  6. David;

    I have blown my budget for about 6-months; but I also have 4 books that I haven’t had a decent chance to absorb yet; Allards Retrospective, Dorchester Days, Think of England, Story/No Story. It’s going to take a while absorbing all of that.

    I’d rather spend a bit more and buy a book of high quality to hold in my hot hands. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t buy an Ipad book (if I had an Ipad!)

    Also; as Imants mentioned (I can’t really comment because I don’t know enough about it), is an essay that is perfect for screen display going to work as a book; and vice versa?

  7. When I opened this up and saw your lead-in pix, it was another one of those “why the hell did I have to grow up Mormon?” moments.

    Damn! Damn! Damn!

    I could have had so much fun during those years when I was walking around wearing a white shirt and tie and carrying the Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.

    But some good things happened that likely would not have happened otherwise, so you win and lose no matter what course you take.

    I think it is probably the same when it comes to electronic publishing vs paper.

    I am so eager to get an iPad so that I can start viewing the potential and how I might capitalize on it, but I have to keep buying harddrives, my equipment has been breaking down across the board, camera and computer, and on and on and on and so I have had to keep putting it off.

    But I will get one, I will figure it out and because my whole career has been based on creating publications that I shot, wrote, designed and produced, I just feel like electronic publishing was created just for me. I often feel like I want to abandon paper forever, but what it really is that I want to abandon is working on the payroll of others. I want to be totally free in what I photograph and publish, and it seems to me that the potential for that is strong electronically than it is with paper.

    These past few months, whenever I can afford to and often when I can’t, I have been putting the framework of a book together. I feel like the odds of me finding a paper publisher for it are not good, although I am certainly going to try, so I intend to figure out how to make iPad books and put it out as such. Plus, I see possibilities in the iPad that I do not see in print. There are certain photo series in this book that could be slowly roll over each other and thus to create an effect and tell a story that would half-a-dozen to a dozen pages to simulate on paper. That, of course that would be too expensive.

    Still, I also want to see it published as a paper book. I want to hold it in my hands, and savor the beautiful printing. I want to be able to lie in bed at night, flip through the pages and smell the ink and shellac on the paper.

    Plus, I think, if you can get a book done on paper, you will always feel that you have accomplished something a little more than if it is just published for iPad.

    iPad opens up many more opportunities, even as it would seem to lessen the intrinsic value, as practically anyone at all can do it.

    So there you have it. You asked what I think and that’s it.

    The idea of you leaving burn saddens me, but you must complete your own work. What you have done here is unprecedented and will live long past you – not as the static work of the dead but the ongoing creations of the newly inspired, discovered and motivated.

  8. Just checked. Three self-published Blurb books sold thus far, this month. About average. Website hits? Around 3k this month. Also about average. So it goes, in today’s world.

  9. FROSTFROG

    you made me laugh out loud..well, i did not grow up Mormon , but i was in a pretty conservative environment as well….and yes no matter which road you travel there are washouts as much as paved highway…yet either way is an adventure or a lesson…either way has its own reward…

    yes i feel the same as you about print…obviously will not go away for either of us…the markets will shift in favor of electronic publishing, but just as obviously the two can co-exist nicely as we proved with Burn 01…

    always better to walk off the stage before being thrown off..smiling…i am surrounded by lots of talented young people…the whole point of Burn was to use whatever influence i had built in the craft to harness that energy and make it something the next generation could use…they are not and never were without their own abilities, but it is always a life imperative i think to pass on a bit of the spirit if nothing else…just a touchstone of some sort…part of the passing will be Burn and the celebration of new talent , and a flattering part would be imagining that some of it would be at least some of my work

    Bill you certainly have made your mark on the net…and i will do all i can to help you think about one day having that book in your hands….so go shoot a few more from the heart…you always do…and by the time i can get to looking at your body of work , you will have added just what we needed all along….smiling

    cheers, abrazos, david

  10. paper is hot…..and burns easily…..

    spent the afternoon with best friend and his two girls walking around dinosaur bones….can look at pictures of bones forever, but it aint shit compared with the bones themselve as if the weight of breath itself, palmed in the hollow of our chest….

    though i look endless at pictures via pixels, it isn’t anything compared with the book…and today, marinka and i just showed 2 of Susan Rothenberg’s books of painters to those 2 little girls….

    ensorcelled….

    as long as their are books, i’ll buy them…i can read on net/ipad/ebooks, but i can’t look at photobooks via them….

    and when they disappear, i’ll consume photos the same way i consume oj in the morning, without savor but as necessity….and that will be that…

    but, i prefer to be alone with the sound and scent of a pictures instead of numbing into the silence of the data-pricked screen….

    and then there is JUNE……..

    running, wobbled

    b

    Still friend of many distances, feel how
    your breath increases space even now.
    In the timber-frames of shadowy bell towers
    let yourself ring. That which saps your powers

    grows ever stronger from this sustenance.
    Through transformation, cross the borderline.
    What’s your most sorrowful experience?
    If drinking you is bitter, turn to wine.

    Be, in this night of extravagances,
    magics at the crossroads of your senses,
    the sense they oddly all cohere.

    And when the world no longer knows
    you, to the still earth say: I flow.
    To the rushing water speak: I’m here.

    Stiller Freund der vielen Fernen, fühle,
    wie dein Atem noch den Raum vermehrt.
    Im Gebälk der finstern Glockenstühle
    laß dich läuten. Das, was an dir zehrt,

    wird ein Starkes über dieser Nahrung.
    Geh in der Verwandlung aus und ein.
    Was ist deine leidenste Erfahrung?
    Ist dir Trinken bitter, werde Wein.

    Sei in dieser Nacht aus Übermaß
    Zauberkraft am Kreuzweg deiner Sinne,
    ihrer seltsamen Begegnung Sinn.

    Und wenn dich das Irdische vergaß,
    zu der stillen Erde sag: Ich rinne.
    Zu dem raschen Wasser sprich: Ich bin.

    –Rilke, Sonnets to Orpheus, II, 29

  11. I love books. I have hordes of them. I’ve been buying a lot of them in the past year mostly online. Every time something interesting is mentioned on Burn, I end up buying a book, usually online. Just so easy, click, click, it is in your mailbox in a week or two. This week I recieved Sally Mann’s “what remains”, and Irving Penn portraits. I’ve not digested either yet. I’ve also had three 11.5″x14″ books of personal photographs printed within the last month.

    Books are cheap. It is a matter of perspective. Most books cost less than a dinner for two at a mediocre restaurant. I struck me when I recieved Bruce Davidsons wonderfully printed “Outside Inside” that this was essentially his lifes work, and it cost me less than what I charge for a couple of 8×10 prints at my studio.

    I can’t see the book going away.

  12. David,

    Great to see your work published full bleed that way – as you know looking at my books I’m a big fan of that design ethos – the bigger the better…:) Perhaps you will consider such for your retrospective? :):) Please?!! :)

    Books will always be around, many (most?) crave/need that tactile experience though I foresee photo books having a tough road ahead, mostly due to their expense. Only the best will get published. Fortunately for others there is the digital format which lends itself so well to the visual.

    But no way will you ever find me reading Goodnight Moon, Harold and the Purple Crayon, or Treasure Island to my son on an iPad – that would be a travesty. I also prefer a paperback in the hand, even while traveling despite the extra bulk. Some things just feel right….

    Charles

  13. I suspect for the immediate future the real life bookstores will go the same way as record stores.
    The big box stores will be gone very soon but an independent book seller might be able to stick around selling boutique printed books (just as independent record stores have survived for the time being on vinyl).

  14. David/Gordon;

    Funny; Gordon’s post pretty much said just what I was about to write! :-)

    Last year was a bad one financially for me, so I only bought one book (Sylvia Plachy). My folks go out for lunch every Sunday with my sister; and last year because I was broke I only went a few times. Sure they always offered to shout me; but I’d feel a bit stink if they did that. This year I try to go with them once every 2-3 weeks because I’ve got a little more disposable income.

    However; the meal usually costs around $25; or, half a book! So every two meals out would buy a book. I did spend around $200 on books; but that’s about all I’ll spend on them for about 6-months; the equivalent of approximately $8 per week for books.

    $8 is pretty good value for the amount of time I spend looking at them. Last year it was great to relax and look at Plachy’s book and forget how deep I was in the financial crap.

    I’m also a bit of a boring old fart and don’t drink (well; the occasional social drink) and don’t smoke (about $17 per 25-pack here!) So it’s not as though I smoke a pack a day and then say I can’t afford a book!

    Nathan;

    As for bookstores; there’s been a big debate about them here in NZ because of the Borders book store financial strife. Our biggest bookstore chain is owned by them and has gone into voluntary receivership.

    However; the independent bookstores are all reporting that their turnover is increasing yearly for the following reasons; they know their customers (often personally and often recommend books), they don’t “dumb down” their book stocks, and they ensure that they only employ staff who are “book lovers”, they import their own books, try to provide excellent service. In other words; they fill a niche; they’re not attempting to be all things to all people.

    Imants; “Most bookshops close due to bad business not lack of business” Exactly!!!! :-)

  15. No question in my mind, photos in print always win out over computer images. Whether in books, on walls, in magazines or newspapers, a photo only becomes real when I see it on paper. Don’t think that will ever change.

    At the same time I am grateful to have gotten serious about photography during the digital age. Would never have had the opportunity to connect with folks like DAH and all you Burnians, nor would my work have been seen by so many before the web. To be honest, I doubt if I would even have completed projects like Falling Into Place without David’s online and in-person support, critiques, edits and encouragement. The fact that it became a book (Blurb) would never have happened in a pre-web world. So I may love books best, but it was the computer that led to my own work coming into print.

    Regarding David’s decision to move forward after June and give his own work the undivided attention he has given ours over these past 4 years, I totally understand and support him. It’s been an amazing experience to have him at our side during these years, but now is HIS time to shine that laser-like focus on seeing to it that his own work gets out there where it belongs.

    DAH and I are at a stage of life where we must do what needs to be done NOW. Time is no longer the unlimited resource we imagined in our youth. Neither is energy. For myself, I find the older I get, the more focused I must become. Priorities must be carefully weighed and many worthy projects do not make the cut. It’s all about knowing myself and what I have to give. Then doing whatever is necessary to DO it. In my youth I said yes to everything and everyone. In my aging years, I say yes to my Self.

    I hear David saying that kind of elemental YES today. I celebrate this moment with him and say “Thank you for everything, dear friend. May this new chapter be a wondrous one.”

    Patricia

  16. To touch….
    and
    to hold……
    ————————–

    Wendy…………u summed it all up! perfectly
    (funny thing thing is im typing through an iphone which i can also touch & hold)
    weird!

  17. Differences there is the backlit screen and non backlit nature of books books. Bold in your face stuff works in both media but there seems an extra dimension to the colour as one brushes their hand lightly over the page. One can view several books at once and view in a no linear manner or in a personal ad hock rambling manner.

    With the more subtle images books seem to work better as the tonal nuances seem to lose a bit on a screen sorta like compressed mp3 downloads. My books are different to my net stuff.
    Audiences are different ……. my art kids live with these prototypes (they even like the bag) http://www.etrouko.com/iman.htm but the Information Technology mob are indifferent.

    .
    .
    Time perceived is the biggest difference Ross……….

  18. Ross Borders lost it when they took on Woolworths and the big department stores in a discount war, they lost 40 odd million on that move. Plus they had a weird pricing structure where the upped the prices and lowered in a free-fall manner one day the book was 23 bucks the next 33 bucks and so on it went
    In Australia books are overpriced by the publishers we neverget the cheaper US published versions just the Euro priced stuff plus that fee and this fee and why not another publishers fee on top.

  19. My biggest problem is lack of space (bookshelves)! That’s one reason I offloaded most of my vinyl lps and probably will do the rest soon. And that’s a very real consideration in the world of photo books and one reason that publishers have been shying away from the oversized editions of the past (unless you are Bruce Davidson of course:)). Size and price have to be considered from the get go when planning/designing a book, as un-idealistic as that sounds. It also costs much more $ now to ship the damn things, from printer to warehouse to store.

    I’m always amazed when I go into comic book stores (the serious art kind) and see that they can do gorgeous hardcover books for $25 and under. Why is it so much more expensive to print photography?

  20. “i kinda like that guy that signs under the name ross nolly!:)”

    You’re obviously not a very good judge of character Panos! ;-)

    Patricia; Even being 48 years old clarifies the mind a bit; because you know that if you want to make any sort of mark, you gotta do it soon…

  21. Imants; Here they lowered the price of the Jackie Collins’ etc and upped the price of the “higher brow” books. They had 8 different owners in 15 years, tried to be all things to everyone and employed the cheapest staff. And ironically; made an absolute pig’s ear of their online business.

  22. I agree, Gordon Lafleur. If people want the book they’ll buy the book (usually online for a decent price) – it’s high street books stores that need to worry.

    I don’t know about costs and profits but I’d be surprised if books for iPad outsold printed versions – it’s about value.

  23. Ross – I just turned 47 and I have a two year old. He’ll be graduating from high school when I’m 63! Talk about clearing the mind – or fuddling it up even more! Not sure which it is yet….:) Glad I’ve made at least one mark, though would love to do it again but who knows. Point is now all I really want to make is a good one on those I love….

  24. With a smidgen more technology it will be all print on demand in a decade or so. the positive is that one will be able to get out of print stuff.

  25. Most of you guys probably know better than I, but since DAH asked…. :-)

    Burnians seem to use analogies to music very often, given our interest and parallels to photography: To me, content seems to be consumer-driven and the ability that the artist is willing to relinquish control. The latest Radiohead album “The King of Limbs” is currently available for download in two forms: CD-quality .wav files for $14.99 USD and compressed .mp3 files for $9.95 USD. Of course, pirated versions of both are available…

    Photographers can show their work on the web for free, to the masses, on un-calibrated monitors (such as mine), to stimulate awareness of their work and/or book and print sales. iPad resolution has now been surpassed by an Android tablet (Motorla Xoom) (at least until the iPad 2 is released). I’m sure that neither of these rival print quality, in terms of resolution or color.

    I guess that it all depends on your end-game: a finished book, a “teaser” to support a Kickstarter project, etc. I’m rambling, time for bed…

  26. Larry Towell’s “Mennonites”. Luscious book; lovely rice paper-like pages, gorgeous binding and beautiful black case to slide it into. And that’s before you even get to the images… Anyway; enough from me tonight :-)

  27. Paper is,definitely,hot but I don’t know how viable will be from a business perspective
    in the coming decade.
    For better or worse,I think the e-option will steamroll the print side into submission
    for all but the highest profile,most known photographers.
    David can inform us based on hands on experience but I’ve heard that the majority of
    portfolio/monolith type publications don’t earn a profit.
    As I sit in my living room with a 30 year collection of some 800 books,it’s impossible
    to deny the tactile experience of working through a new book or going back to an old
    favorite as if were comfort food.
    In principal,I thought I’d love the iPad experience for consuming visual before I became an owner
    but with a handful of photo ebooks now on my iPad I’m already bored with the experience-just
    doesn’t measure up,somehow.
    Possibly,the problem lies in the fact the early releases are just trying to be the same when
    I think the iPad experience might be better suited to an enriched multimedia type piece
    That would/could incorporate motion and audio to differentiate from a printed book.

    I think a refined,more evolved, ebook will certainly enable many the ability to make available
    their work that would otherwise be impossible on the print side apart from on demand solutions
    and that’s a good thing.

    From a Burn perspective, I would gladly pay for an extended edit e-version of many essays
    published here and think it is a business opportunity that should considered.

  28. I was going to bed but saw Rossy’s post. It reminded me of some that lament the day of an album’s cover art (and liner) in the age of mp3’s (for worse, in my opinion). Maybe the “finished package” concept has changed for photographers, as well. Going to bed for sure, now…

  29. photography is changing
    world is changing
    consumer is changing
    creators are changing
    old masters will be masters forever
    emerging masters will be mush of bilions clones
    everything will be times million
    everything will be cheap and available
    everything will be better than is now
    will be a million of Harveys
    will be a million of Skoulidas
    Will be a milion of Gurskys
    We will have 0,2 sec per picture
    We will have 8 min per book
    We will have 0.21 of children
    10 ipods
    0.00032 God
    1.30 min for tv show
    2 hrs for commercial
    0,00043 for a friend’s post on Facebook
    0,0000021 to take own photo

  30. For me books always win. It’s about the touch, about standing in front of my bookcase and seeing which one I’ll take out again to have another look at, then leaf through it and feel the paper. Nothing like it and no Ipad will ever give me the same experience.

  31. I don’t think it’s the end printed book, there are more website to publish yourself, print and sell, and I think it will be continued… I love books,I love the feel of paper under your fingers, coverage, print, smell … Henri Cartier-Bresson said : “the picture looks in the books, not the wall.” (Henri Cartier-Bresson affirmait que « la photo se regarde dans les livres, pas au mur » hope my translation is good). Recently, I ordered 5 books and 2 were limited edition, maybe the limited edition is the future for the printed book as an object of art… for me, paper is HOT.

    David, I’ll always be grateful to you and Burn….
    Hope to see you again at Rencontres d’Arles, hugs, audrey

  32. Thank you, David. I appreciate the good word, although I know the mark that I have is a very small one – so far. I also appreciate your desire to help. That helps me a lot, right there.

    Ross Nolly – the other day I was complaining to my wife about how I can’t buy an iPad and she said if I would not go out for breakfast for two months straight and save the money for an iPad, I would have it.

    But I can’t eat oatmeal at home every damn day for two months!

    I just got to have my ham and eggs now and then, and a waitress to come by and fill my cup and laugh and call me “luv” and “honey” and “dear” and grin while I take her picture as she pours the coffee. So its kind of tough.

  33. John Vink!

    i find that hard to pass your comment by…

    you mean you really don’t care about all those prints, the books?
    you’d be happy to only see them in pixel form?

    ok, i get the “As long as the picture is hot in my brain…” for sure, most of my image viewing is done on a computer screen and when an image burns into my head, that’s it… i need those images, more and more…

    but to never care less about books… is that what your saying?

  34. I remember similar conversations at the newspaper back in the early nineties. Would people ever read the news online? Were inked stained dead trees soon to be a thing of the past? My two cents was that I couldn’t speak for anyone else, but that I, personally, would never be comfortable reading news online. Didn’t work out that way though. Got accustomed to the new, now I find the old way slightly annoying.

    Regarding photobooks, never had that problem. I think I always preferred the backlit projection going way back before I ever saw any kind of hi-def computer screen. Or at least a big print. Photos in books are just so necessarily small. And the reproducible colors are many millions fewer on a printed page than they are on today’s computer screens. No, give me the millions of colors on the giant screen and let the software turn the page…

  35. mw…

    newspapers ain’t books…

    now surely you own and cherish some books of photographers work… you’d trade them for an ipad full with the same books? really??

  36. I bought a Kindle last January, but as far as I am concerned it will never replace the paper format. The thing is at the moment I am currently going through a Cormac McCarthy phase and Kindle book prices are really cheap. With two young kids, wife, mortgage and a very uncertain future work-wise injury a 6 Euro Kindle book makes sense compared to 10 dollars plus postage and a impatient wait! Now if I buy the book in a local bookshop first of all its not in English, no problem I speak fluent Spanish but I will not find that book for less than 15 Euros and I am quite sure it will be far closer to 20 Euros! The Kindle is not without drawbacks some books are full of spelling mistakes the typography is really boring and I must admit I miss the tactile side of a good old book but and this the big but at least I can read many books easily and cheaply.
    I tried an IPad the other day, great! But no thanks! I want to see DAH´s next three books on paper and to look at them proudly in my library and be bewitched, spun around and elevated to a higher level and I only feel that way with a good old book . I love comparing photographer´s work, two photographer´s books on a table, like last Saturday with Emerald Isle and Divided Soul… you learn a lot by seeing two separate voices but same place. How to do you do that on an IPad? Buying two hmm… no thanks.
    I love a good photo book there is nothing like it, an excellent one is a work of art an average one is miles better than anything on a screen. I am drooling looking at that leather bag with Imant´s books inside have to buy one of those one day.
    But the world of digital has made my learning curve so much shorter, how would of I ever met DAH and all Burnians without the marvels of digital. So perhaps we should have the best of both worlds…
    But I fear some accountant looking solely at numbers will say NO way!!
    And then June…

  37. “So I at least need a sabbatical…”

    How hard was that to type out? But how good does it feel for having done so?

    Good! Very pleased :)

    (skipping your print vs. on screen book question..)

  38. Sam,

    I do have a few books, but I own much less than I know. I think I must have four or five prints from ‘famous’ photographers somewhere. I never felt comfortable ‘owning’ a physical picture. I prefer the immateriality of a picture, the idea it gives me about reality.

    Of course I am always happy to see books or pictures, be it on paper or with pixels. I wouldn’t be doing what I do if I didn’t. But I don’t feel the need to ‘have’ them.

  39. a civilian-mass audience

    Why we can’t just have it All…???

    I love BOOKS …cause I give them away…
    there is a BURN 01 copy somewhere in Egypt right now…remember the family from Egypt…oh,yeah…
    they are BURNIANS now…:)))
    BUT
    I love the pixels,the dot world…cause I carry it with me…
    where ever I go…you are with me…your vision, your dreams…
    the only way…to “have you All” !!!

    HOT …like my FROSTFROG…and like my BURNIANS…hot like my chickens…
    I am in the middle ..on this one:)))

  40. a civilian-mass audience

    “…As long as the picture is hot in my brain…”
    MR.VINK

    yeap…I didn’t sleep last night…the pictures above…are still BURNing in my brain…
    and you know…my brain ain’t getting bigger…:))))))))

  41. John,

    ok… fair enough… i understand your point of view. i have learned to do with so much less in he way of materialism… after living in india for a few years with my wife and daughter we passed back through london and had to deal with a garage/lock up full with all our stuff – we couldn’t believe how much we’d horded – we gave 90% of our stuff away… my parents thought we’d gone mad… BUT the things i could not part with were my books… shipping them to australia must of cost way more than they cost me to buy… but what to do : ) one of life’s pleasures, comfy arm chair, mug of tea or glass of red and great photo book… speaking of which… recently got Georgian Spring, great book… love your straw hat shot ; )

  42. John Vink…
    I love that phrase you just wrote
    I never felt comfortable ‘owning’ a physical picture. I prefer the immateriality of a picture, the idea it gives me about reality.
    Smiling…Somehow I am sure my life would be much simpler if I followed your words.

  43. Sam, don’t know about IPads. Although I’m sure they have some advantages — beautiful screen, software to turn the pages for me — they suffer from the same size problem as books, sometimes even more so.

    But a big screen? Have you seen photographs on a new 27″ Imac? And I’m guessing they’ll look really incredible on a 60″ hi-def television, if not now, sometime in the near future. How many 40×60 paper prints can you buy and hang? I’m still surprised the photography world isn’t targeting the big screen tv crowd, which is a very large crowd.

    No offense. I like books, too. They certainly add more senses to the experience. Guess I like the smell of a good book as much as anything.

  44. Like many photographers who are not established to the point of being able to get a book deal from one of the big photo-publishers, for years I had the dream of a monograph of my work put in the drawer along with some complex (time and money hungry) projects that I thought I might someday hopefully get to do, but definitely not NOW…

    Then, the past couple of years I started searching the web for information about publishing in general and I found a whole universe of people producing all kinds of printed versions of their works (not only photographers) ranging from “traditional” lithographic printing (offset), to actually making their own paper and doing their own binding, to making laser printed booklets that were stapled…

    Along with finding out that there was a big number of people “offering” their work in this form, I also found that there was a whole network of individuals and organizations promoting this off-the-mainstream production of books…

    So, getting a new perspective from my findings I decided instead of waiting until (or better yet IF) I ever get established and arrive to the point to be offered a book contract, that I should bet on my own work (why should I expect anyone else to believe enough in my work to risk time and money on it if I don’t, after all) and MAKE the best book I could RIGHT NOW…

    Now, I can’t possibly know how things will play out… my book might sell out and become a classic just as easily as it might sleep an endless sleep on the heavy duty shelves I’ve installed to house the one thousand copies I printed… only thing I do know, is that right now, I feel absolutely great holding in my hands the fruit of my efforts…

  45. JOHN VINK :)))))))))))))))))))))))

    knew we were soul brothers :)))….i once too wrote here (or road trips) about that very think…(though i do have a lot of books)….i almost never make prints any more…left the gallery 2 years ago now that used to show my work (mistake?) and now care more about the ‘immateriality’ of pics…how the stories live on in the head and body of both me and viewers….like Basho carrying his poems in his head….anything now for me as a print, i try something that subverts….put 100 small pictures in a red chinese marriage box and let people touch/move/scratch the pictures (my last solo exhibition)…or do a projection instead…as i told Herve, the astral joy of watching the pic come and leave in a projection….it’s weird, having been a painter (where the object is everything) to know, where making pics (whether seen or not) seems to be the balance, rather than the rush to show, the madness to print, the compulsion to make a book and sell it….

    for me, the act of living (including snapping pics) meant more…maybe that is why i’ve barely made a ‘profession’ of this thing i do….which takes the pressure off, i don’t have to give you that print of Night Tree ;)))

    running
    b

  46. Now, regarding the digital version of a book vs. the “analog”… I don’t see them as an either-or, kind of deal… if I had the means I would definitely produce an i-whatever version of my book to be readily and cheaply available online…

    But still… and in contrast to John Vink’s sentiment above (and even though—just to be clear—I don’t consider myself a collector by any means) I get a totally different feeling when I hold a fine book in my hands, than when I look at the same pictures of this book on my computer screen…

    In a similar way—and even though I mentally know that this shouldn’t be the case—I get a very different feeling holding in my hands the physical object that is the negative of a picture I captured on film, to when I hold in my hands the memory card containing a picture I captured digitally… my brain tells me that both those objects are just necessary steps in my effort to capture a glimpse of what “my world” looks and feels like and share it with others, but still… it could be some manifestation of OCD, but my senses tell me that the physical object is far more valuable (not necessarily in monetary terms) to its elusive digital counterpart…

  47. mw…

    big screens are great, yes. i have a 24″ imac and photographs look killer on it…
    but even though i can view plenty of great images on my screen it will never replace the ritual that is picking a nice fat volume from the shelf and slowly savoring it’s contents, one page at a time…

    it’s not an anti technological thing, i’m as wrapped up in the future of things as anyone… digital books are a great thing and will only get better, but i don’t think of digital as a replacement for books… when tv came along everyone said radio was dead…

  48. Yes, fortunately we don’t have to choose one way over the other, at least not permanently. For a great photo book experience, I suggest to anyone visiting New York to go to the New York Public Library and peruse your favorites. That’s where I studied Salgado and it was a fantastic sensory experience. Combination of great photography, best book production, and old library trappings. The sights and smells of so much solid wood and paper, the old world decor and the finest library-type silence.

  49. There’s room for both paper and pixels. They are just different formats.
    Pixels are cheaper than paper. If they cost the same would you would be
    asking the question? Yes, I say.

    In a modern perfect world we just order the book of our choice, it is
    printed perfectly and delivered to our front door for the same price
    as long-run off-set. When I want to explore the content of that book
    I’ll check it out on my ipod (miniIpad) Ipad, kindle, xoom, touchpad, mobii, gslate, flyer, lifebook, viewpad, nook, et. al.

    Roger Black is toying around with digital delivery with Treesaver ( http://treesaver.net/ )

    Just some thoughts…

  50. “are we seeing the end of the printed book game?”

    I seriously doubt it. At least not in my time. And it is my genuine hope that such a cold, sterile world will never materialize. Again, I doubt it will. It’s too difficult to imagine that humanity would allow it.

  51. And for those who think digital is more ecologically/environmentally sound that analogue/books… Don’t be too sure of yourself:

    http://www.it-environment.org/compenv.html

    “Manufacturing computers is materials intensive; the total fossil fuels used to make one desktop computer weigh over 240 kilograms, some 10 times the weight of the computer itself. This is very high compared to many other goods: For an automobile or refrigerator, for example, the weight of fossil fuels used for production is roughly equal to their weights. Also, substantial quantities of chemicals (22 kg), and water (1,500 kg) are also used. The environmental impacts associated with using fossil fuels (e.g. climate change), chemicals (e.g. possible health effects on microchip production workers) and water (e.g. scarcity in some areas) are significant and deserve attention.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/technology/23apple.html

    “SUZHOU, China — Last week, when Apple released its annual review of labor conditions at its global suppliers, one startling revelation stood out: 137 workers at a factory here had been seriously injured by a toxic chemical used in making the signature slick glass screens of the iPhone.”

  52. In some way, I suppose photo books are to screen viewing what a concert seen in a concert hall is to listening to a CD. Very different experience. Definitely, some photographic work (Panos’s for example) comes out better in book than clicking “next”. IMO.

  53. switch off electrical power, and compare paper against iPad or any other computer/screen tool.

    Paper is hot and will stay hot. It is just so much more persistant. Electronic is nice, fast food.

    Nowadays we have an impression of how life was 2000+ years ago, because we find artefacts from that time.
    I wonder, how people think about our life 2000 years from now – and what artefacts they will find…

  54. Do’nt know if it was mentioned but I have some photo books long time out of print that probably cost 3 times what I paid for it. I doubt any electronic book will increase it’s value over time. So photo books can be a piece of art by itself.

  55. Jorge,

    Very good point – I have several of those as well. Shame is that work is then inaccessible to anyone except those flush enough to pay top dollar for a collectible. But then again I get lots of “fans” who want a “print” of mine – once I tell them the price 9 times out of ten I don’t hear from them again. So the plus side of digital publishing might be the ability to get more people in front of the work. Of course it’s a slippery slope – those that won’t afford $40 for a beautiful hardcover photo book may not be willing to spend $10 on an ipad volume – or those that would spend the $40 on the hardcover may scoff at the idea and/or price of a digital version. Tricky stuff….

    CP

  56. Charles, yes, electronic media at the end is about consuption: something you buy and consume at the moment. Mostly at least. On the other side a real photo book is something you grab and review over your hole life, building a sort of relation with the author. Can you do that with a electronic book? maybe, but not in the long time I’m afraid. The electronic mainstream reduces value for inmediate consuption. Cheaper, ubiquos? yes, but in the consuption logic.

    Jorge

  57. HOT!

    I do remember very well when vinyl went out of style beginning of the 90s. Everybody said that the cd was the one and only future medium for music. Now, here we are 20 years later. Vinyl is totally back to the market. Often in limited amounts – yet totally cool – and HOT!

    I don’t see the printed photo book to disappear. There is a haptic sensation to it, and a smell, not to mention this quiet time sitting in your favourite chair slowly going through the pages. Deceleration. The electronic version will be an addition, not a replacement. (I hope.)

    Hope everybody is well out there!
    D.

  58. Herve
    I agree about Panos’ work coming off better in print. In Burn 01 I was struck how some of the essays were dissapointing in print, while others were the opposite.

    Bob, yes. Perhaps, as I suggested not long ago, we really should enable the “shoot without memory card” function on our cameras. We get to view the image we just took, then get on with it and make another one.

    DAH
    A sabatical means a temporary absence I assume. Will Burn continue in some form or we just have a big bonfire, and drink to a great ride? Good either way. Upwards and onwards.

  59. Those are both powerful photos, DAH. Such richness. Then and now…

    Very hot; paper that is. A photobook is not just a way to view photos, it is an accessible objet d’art, an artifact, a belonging. It is something with which you can create a relationship and something which has the gift of being able to become familiar and cherished. The book as memory: your childhood copy of Winnie the Pooh, the book your first lover gave you, the photobook which opened your eyes and gave you resolve. And as we move in new directions in the world of creative funding, few if any would choose to be thanked for their support with an e book when they could be thanked with something that inherently has an element of the personal – a print, a book, an extension perhaps just two three steps removed from the original creative being and impulse. If one’s impulse is to create a film, or a multimedia piece, I am content to access it in a theater, on an airplane, on an Ipad, at my computer, because I see any of those as primary or apt methods of transmission of the original creative message – nondestructive image processing if you will. But the book *itself* feel integral to its message, and has the power to become part of the home, the psyche and the heart.

  60. I have learned most everything I know about images from a screen, but I savor nothing more than the rare and special moment that is the exploration of a new shelf of photography books. I bought Burn 01 when I could not really afford it because I wanted to see the images from a screen that had inspired me and taught me so much come to life in print. Buying something in paper form is about giving it worth beyond monetary measures and valuing the fact that an image or a set of images can be finite and precious and fragile.

    You cant crease the pages of a digital file, or stain them with the ring of a carelessly placed mug of coffee. An author or artist or friend cannot scrawl in their own hand a personal and unique message inside the cover to be rediscovered many years later. A file cannot yellow with time, nor fray at the edges from repeated handling.

    But if nothing else surely there is this: A file exists within something, a book exists alone.

  61. I am convinced that it’s not the world to change, but it’s rather us changing the world.

    I embrace technology but at the same time I try (with success) to find a good balance in using not too much whatever innovation comes out of the box. I shoot with digital for some clients and for others, as well as for the majority of my personal project, I still shoot film.
    I will indeed buy an iPad but I won’t give up buying narrative and photographic books. I like my shelves filled up with books. I like to be able to read a book without needing a charger. I like to lend books to friends and I like to be able to hold them on my lap. And I like to hold in my hands a book just after I finished reading it. For this reason I buy my book in smaller but more precious bookshops in London.

    Like Erica rightly says, a book is most importantly a form of art in itself and we should all respect that, by not buying so easily into the newest technology, without asking ourselves first, what good really comes to us.

  62. don’t usually comment in here, but it’s sort of strange to read this Davids post today, as just few hours ago i was standing in front of my bookshelf and a thought, that has been bubbling in my mind for quite some time now, came that i should give all my books away for free. there’s a lot of books that i truly love for their content and also for other, more personal reasons, as in a way the books in your shelf also represent how ones interests and tastes have changed and evolved. the images and hopefully also the information have been burned into my consiousness so i can’t really see the reason why i should keep them, they’re beautiful objects with beautiful content, but i feel that i don’t have any use for them anymore. moriyama, graham, ristelhueber, wylie, d’agata, ruff, cafe lehmitz, farewell photography, oslo F, signed or not signed what does it matter as in a way i really feel that i don’t have any use for these objects anymore, i know their content, the images have burned into my consciousness. the only thought which makes me a bit sad is the idea of giving books away that are signed for me and contain some kind of written “message” as it would feel like i would tear pages from a diary. there’s maybe ten books out of the hundreds that i would keep and none of them are photobooks. i also think that the thought of giving all the books away comes from the thought of having no posessions at all (except cameras and my negatives) and still i would never read a book from an ipad, i’ve tried and i hate it as it doesn’t feel the same, it somehow feels too fast and it doesn’t give the same peaceful feeling as having the actual object in your hands. the other thing that is in my opinion extremely interesting is that you really do not need the book, but only memorize and also “feel” its content. at the moment i’m reading a biography of arthur koestler and in it there’s a passage that tells when he was in a prison during the spanish civil war (every night listening the sounds of people being executed and thinking he would be next) he would memorize passages from freud and thomas mann and other writers and drawing euclid’s theorem to the cell wall and it was these thoughts that kept him sane, gave him courage, and even occasionally made him forget he was in prison. sorry, i’m maybe drifting a bit too much from what David asked. so maybe paper neither a fucking ipad is hot but what you learn from their content and what sticks into our minds.
    i have already gave most of my finnish language books to 2nd hand bookstores and now i’m wondering where to give the rest, the photobooks and english language books. does the burn gallery still exist, maybe it contains a library of some sort? 1st i thought that i give these to my friends but i think it would be better that they would be in a place where people could sit down and flip through whatever happens to interest them. i also have to mention that not a single one of my books is in a mint condition (except grahams 1st edition shimmer of possibilities), few even don’t have covers but i dont really care as i can still see the content.

    so. giving away free books, written and photobooks. preferably that burn people can use them in some way.

    jukka

  63. jukka=-san :))

    last summer, i had my father give away ALL my books that i had kept in a storage room in Florida: 3000+….novels, poetry, art books, photobooks, textbooks, everything…all my books from the time i first starting buying them….all gone…to the marco island library, to the 2 second-hand-used bookstores on the island…to the school…all donated….

    he also threw away everything else (on my request): 25 years of writing (poems and poetry and letters and diaries and novels-begun), old paintings, drawings….boxes of all negatives i didn’t like/want…boxes and boxes and boxes…my life prior to marina and dima, gone in a weekend’s worth of work….

    best thing i ever did…

    sometimes, i miss the books…sometimes i feel like i should have kept the writing…sometimes i feel like i should have kept the negatives….but….i was released once it was all gone…

    like each of us…

    awareness….

    now, the only problem is that i now have 8 years worth of film and books i’ve accumulated since getting married and moving to toronto….

    burn all bridges with tongues of fire, joy races closely below….

    hugs

    bb

  64. jukka

    that feeling of freedom from possessions is so liberating, I understand heart-fully what you are saying, and how beautiful if they can be of benefit elsewhere if you are ready to release them. What about donating them to a prison if the screening rules on content aren’t too strict?

  65. Charles Peterson
    I can survive with the lack of space (bookshelves.. there are also pavement, tables, double raw)! So if you decide to offload the rest of you vinyl lps you can do it at my address :))))).
    Also with comic books I can host and give a shelter to abandoned comic books
    (By the way: there are some that cost more than 25… also if they don’t need four-color process.

    David
    “that we will all quit in June. “.. ahh… half joke… .. which half?

  66. Jukka
    once I couldn’t think about reading something that was not in my library but then I changed and I also start to share books with friends. We exchange advise and feeling. And books. I start going in public library. And I give for free or sell the books I don’t need to keep with me.
    For freedom I don’t care if my library is full or empty. I feel freedom more as a state of mind.
    Only sometimes I need to re-read and not all the times I can find in pixel what I’ve lost in paper (and in memory).
    And also for you.. if you have to give away your photo book I have a friend that teach photography for free in gipsy camp here in Italy. (I’m sure you can find next to you some school like that)

  67. jukka–

    i was just looking for cafe lehmitz in all of the libraries in seattle–no one has it.
    would you like to donate your copy to me and i will donate it to the main library when
    i’m finished looking at it? i will pay for postage, if so.
    here’s my email: iamkatia@gmail.com

    it’s so good to be in that state of letting go.
    less attachments, less suffering.

    jukka, i was just thinking of you yesterday.
    wishing there was an easy way to get to your burn essay.
    and i couldn’t remember your name properly so i couldn’t google your work.
    i’m dealing w some material now that is a bit dark.
    that made me think of you.

    i only have two photo books –“cocaine true, cocaine blue”, a eugene richards classic, and “exposure” by mary ellen mark. i would be willing to part w them, as well,–donate them to the library & put them in circulation so others could see them. what a great idea. thank you.

  68. Bob,Jukka

    It must be spring cleaning time. I was talking to my buddy Jerry yesterday and he had just thrown his old Mamiya RB and three lenses into a dumpster. I told him to fish it back out and put it on Craigslist for a few bucks. Some stubborn film burner out there will be happy to have it.

    I keep getting rid of stuff, but then buying more. I just couldn’t resist a Pentax ME yesterday at the thrift store for $5.99. I don’t know what the hell for. I also stopped by the post office and picked up two more books I ordered on Amazon, both used. Larry Towell “then Palestine” and “Paolo Pelligrin” with Sean Penn on the cover. The Pelligrin book is large, 11×14 full bleed with most of the pictures spread accross two pages. Unfortunately, the gutter comprimises many of them. At least the reproduction quality is not bad. The Towell book is by aperture and has pretty bad reproduction unfortunately.

  69. Those images from the Bravo mag really jump out at you. I can tell a mile away they are either Kodachrome or Velvia. That is one thing I miss about film… chuck in a roll of Velvia and you got those colours straight from the lab. Now I attempt to imitate a type of film and it´s never quite there…

    Gordon… Pentax Me Super was my first camera, extremely underrated machine, like it´s bigger brother the MX.

  70. David,
    I bought your “Divided Soul” some years ago and I have to confess to myself I wouldn’t love the same book as I do if it was on iPad or similar stuff.. Paper books should not “dye”.
    Great pictures over here ;)

    Michele

  71. GORDON :))))….yup….just last week Marina, Dima and I did some spring cleaning too…including getting rid of some books :)))….that’s a cool story about the RB :)))….i once (and wrote about it here) in a drunken frustration with photography/cameras, walked out of the apartment, late at night (marina and dima were in russia) and left one of my camera’s on the doorsteps of a house….a decent camera….film…..sometimes i look around to see if if ended up around a neighbor’s neck…haven’t spotted it yet ;))…

    ALL:

    just arrived…

    PAPER, stiff, hard and ready for action:

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?fbid=1857405724874&set=t.1532803997&theater

  72. Paul, you can tell that those are Kodachrome or Velvia images by looking at digital files on your screen, which are scans of printed paper, which were made by digital files created from transparencies? ;>)

  73. BTW it´s quite obvious we all are in love with the printed book format from the comments posted round here. What we have probably got to do is help the next generations understand the importance of books. They are the ones at most risk in not appreciating and missing out on such work of arts. Like my youngest son who always asks to see the latest image on the LCD screen on my Nikon Fm3a. It´s not that he does not like film he has not had the chance to really choose…it´s just that everyone round him except his father uses a digital camera.
    AS LONG AS WE AND THE NEXT GENERATIONS CAN CHOOSE BETWEEN A PRINTED BOOK OR DIGITAL FORMAT EVERYTHING WILL BE OK.

  74. DAVID,

    Funny… I do have a copy of this BRAVO paper promo…. You gave me a copy while we were in Sicily some years ago now… still have it… It was certainly a nice paper promo :):):)… I should have got it signed…. like the old copy of Cuba Natgeo copy that I also found in an old bookstore….

    BOOKS…. I love them…. have so many books now that these can hardly fit on my shelves…. absolutely love photo books…. there is hardly one week that passes by without me getting a new book or at least thinking about getting one…. if there is a photographer who I like, even just few photos that I love, I HAVE to get the book…. I have at times even bought two copies when there is a book I absolutely love just to keep one copy in great shape…. I think this is the beginning of craziness !!! but anyway, I keep these preciously… Even if I do not look at them all the time I still get great satisfaction to know that there are near by…. No way an IPAD will ever create the same feeling… different…. worth it also I am sure…. but…. the real thing is so much better!!!!!

    Cheers,

    Eric

  75. Preston…
    I am not going to get into film versus pixel debate :) Everything can be imitated in digital if you work at it, I know it´s a scan of a scan but the image just jumps out at me. I am not using an incredible screen either…my laptop is five years old! The look of film, the dynamic range, the colours and compare it to the image on holiday lights…
    BTW great images those of New Orleans.

  76. JOHN VINK…BOB….MW

    you three have provided here now amazing revelations to me…i just cannot imagine life without the physical book….or the print either….interesting what it is about photography that moves each of us in such disparate directions of appreciation….poems of course do not need to be in a book if one can remember them…but photographs? well, to each his own pleasure of course….it is a digression, but i do not see the relationship Bob of profession or lack thereof on appreciation of photographs…i read here all the time that photographers feel free to be themselves more if they are not being paid for their photography…sounds good, but doesn’t really work out that way… as in all art it is generally those who have received remuneration for their efforts who have indeed historically done the very best work….

    cheers, david

  77. I buy and keep cook books ……. I do have two photographic books “Storylines” by Robert Frank and “Memories of a Dog” Diado Moriyama and “Japanese Book Binding” by Kōjirō Ikegami that I revisit ……… everything else is transitory or just hangs about ignored for most of the time ……… all those how to and stuff for teaching, but I have the space so there is no need to throw them out. Novels come and go, borrowed, lent to others given away.

  78. i love books, not big on the ipad. and like a surprising number of people here, i tend to accumulate books and then get rid of them (give away, sell to second hand bookstores), but i think that is mostly because i move around alot…or at least have for the past ten years or so.

  79. I quite liked the little Kindle for reading, tried one out …………. the problem is that stuff like Eco, Bourdain, Shuyun, Kremer etc just are not available so I buy the book.

  80. Imants: probably not even close to the same thing as having cookbooks (all mine are in storage). But I print recipes I find off the net. Course, now I have a rumpled mass of papers in my kitchen :)

  81. One thing about our cook books here in oz they put most of the rest of the world to shame, we have a publisher here called Murdoch press and their cook books are photographic and layout joys to own.

  82. DAVID :)

    AMIGO, here’s what I meant….i do, for most of my life, couldn’t imagine living without books…like i said until last summer, I’d bought/received/stolen/collected more than 3,000….in fact, Marina use to get very angry with me that I was sending $70/month just to pay for a storage room in florida to house my books, paintings, writing, etc….that’s a pretty picture of $$ for a not-wealthy family of working artists over 6 years ;)))…i eventually freed myself and got rid of everything….books were donated…writing was thrown out, paintings, thrown out, etc…..free…heart-broken for a while, but eventually free…

    i see buy books: novels, poetry, philosophy, history, art books, photography books…in fact, it makes marinka a bit crazy (although she’s a book hound too ;)) )….and at some point, i’ll have to do something with these things…

    books, as i said before, have literally saved my life a few times….20 years ago, i spent 10 days, homeless, on the streets of Praha, as I thought i was losing my mind and my life, all i had with me was a backpack with my passport, 20 dollars US and 3 books (Rilke Poems, Joyce Ulysses, KingJames Bible, no shit)…..and then in LA, when hospitalized after a 2nd suicide attempt, it was a silly book i picked up in the ward that cleared my mind, brought tears of strength, kept me alive, etc…..books saved me during my mom’s hospitalization as a kid, when my dad almost died, when my parents were divorced and on and on and on and on….

    and, of course, i MAKE books…i have made 3 artist photo hand books (1 a gift for marina)…i expect to finish my ridiculously long photobook before dima finishes highschool (my promise to him), i have already 2 photobook dummies (‘facebook’, on faces, ‘and our memories brief’ and working on russian book, etc)…and of course, the prose thing….

    all that said, no one sucks in the body and breath of books as I….

    however…

    what i find dispiriting, often, is that we equate the book as an auto de fe….i mean, as if a photographer must/can only be interesting, with a book….I am not suggesting that is what you are saying (shit, i want to do a BURN book in partnership with someone, as i said ;))), but i feel that books and the act of taking pictures are 2 different things…

    i WANT to make a photobook, because I have ALREADY MADE 3 of them, but i don’t feel the NEED to make them anymore…i don’t HAVE TO make them, I don’t have to see them anymore…..they live inside me in huge ways….cut open my skull, and you’d see like 1,000,000,000 images stuck in there from all the photobooks that are a part of my body…..they are there…..and i carry them…

    it is just that increasingly, it is the ACT of making…and even THINKING about pictures, and seeing, that means more to me, in my practice….i have so much work and rarely have the interest to show it…maybe that’s selfish…maybe that is being tired of the act as ‘profession’ who knows amigo…

    but believe me, in no way am I suggesting that we shouldn’t be renumerated….

    can a poem be a photograph?….

    i will make a photobook with only words too someday….just as my ‘landscape’ essay for you/burn includes some ‘photographs’ that are ONLY words….

    i think history (if one cares about that, though i honestly do not) only judges based on itself….who knows how any of our work will be perceived…..and i don’t care too much…

    i just want a simple thing:

    to have a good life, to love/live well, to be able to write and to make pictures and to sustain my wife, son and friends :)))…

    that’s it…

    honestly…

    history can pick her elongated fingers over the boxes of my books, and negatives and pictures for all she’s worth :)))

    hugs
    bob

    p.s. send you an email on photog…..2nd photographer will send this weekend

  83. Bob I love making books. I completed one the other day………… looked at it again…………. thought about it …….. placed the dummy prints into recycling…deleted the book from all HDs ………… it was a compromise book but a lesson well learnt again…again;;; again…
    .
    .
    Page one “a bit of bullshit”. Page two http://www.etrouko.com/imants.htm
    another book”artwork” journey begins …….

  84. Bob..

    Saw this short video yesterday (will see the exhibit next week), Paolo Pellegrin talking about his ‘Dies Irae’.. photography as documentation, as proof and preservation of history. We all know about the Holocaust, we have visual documentation of it, the famine in Darfur (just as exmples Pellegrin mentions), we know it happened because we can see it.. photographs are important parts.

    Of course this is different when we talk about the kind of work he and his colleagues do, and the kind of work other photographers do, not all is essential to history, but still, it is small scale history in itself.

    Had to think about that after I read about your destroyed negatives..

    Video is here, but in Italian language, can’t fina an English version:

  85. Today, after a two-month wait, I received a book in the mail: Nicosia in Dark and White, by burn’s own Thodoris Tzalavars. It kind of brought this discussion home to me.

    I have enjoyed Thodori’s images online. I have a 27 inch Apple cinema monitor that I bought a couple of years back so that I could view double truck layouts full size on screen and I love the way pictures look on it. I loved looking at Thodoris’s Nicosia pictures on it.

    But today, after I received his book, I left my computer, sat on the couch, turned on the lamp, opened it up, read David Alan Harvey’s amazing introduction, than just sat there, slowly turning through the pages, taking in the scent of the paper and the ink, seeing that paper look, studying the images.

    The images were smaller than on my screen, but the experience richer.

    When I finally get an iPad, I will sit on the couch and view Thodoris’s pictures on it to see how the experience compares – but I already know that the paper book experience will win.

    I think I will go to bed early tonight, take Thodoris’s book with me, and slowly look at it until I grow so drowsy I begin to fall asleep.

  86. BOB..

    i understand you perfectly…i know how you are about your work and how much you care….each of us can have a deep love of pictures, of books, and of whatever part of the process moves us the most…i only find it INTERESTING AS HELL how others see it…not chastising at all…for example Michael Webster prefers the screen…better color…he is right, pictures do have a more luminescent look on the iPad than they do in a paper book…so that is his reason for preferring screen over paper…cool…Imants only has three photo books (hard to imagine), yet builds his own handmade ones every day…cool…you do not NEED to make a book right now…also cool….

    the question i asked here on this post and the answers i am tallying is NOT to pass value judgment AT ALL…i am simply curious where the trend will be for the future….for practical reasons….our aesthetic reasons are our own but we either buy the iPad or we go to the bookstore and buy books , or maybe some do both of course…i am not sure if this audience is a good sampling of the population in general…this audience probably loves paper books more than if i were to query people off the street…but who knows, we could all be surprised…

    new media always shakes up the old but rarely replaces it….photography itself shook the realists and likes of Braque and Picasso and Cubism were born..TV might have appeared that it would replace radio in the early 50″s but alas serialized shows disappeared (ought to bring em back!) but NPR was born…vinyl rocks…etc etc…Burn itself is online and in print….ahhh, hmmm,well, i gotta love 01 more than online…smiling..sits on my coffee table by the fire…comforting…:)

    cheers, david

  87. Would those of you who shot slide film…example Velvia before digital became majority that perhaps we don’t need that fiddly raw file. Maybe if camera makers pull their socks up and start concentrating on building sensors/cameras which can produce a decent tiff file or a similar file where there would be no need to fiddle with white balance, exposure, contrast and etc…in other words a decent image without having to waste time on the computer would mean more time making photos. I took up photography because i liked making images and enjoyed picking up perfectly good images on a roll of film from the local lab. Nowadays there isn’t a single digital file which doesn’t need tinkering with! I don’t need a camera that can produce 20 different files that sort of remind me what Velvia was as a jpeg. I want a camera that produces ONE decent type of file…example a GF4 which produces files exactly like Velvia, copy the images off the memory card and send the files directly to someone by E-mail without even thinking of photoshop.

  88. PAUL

    this is the classic example of technology actually creating way way more work and expense than the previous medium to get the same result…yes, you simply correctly exposed a piece of film …and you were DONE…a perfect transparency….still nothing compares to a perfect transparency and unless you are going to spend about 250k for a super digi projector… still nothing up on the digital screen looks as good as a $100. Carousel would project…….or, at least i have not seen it yet…i know for sure that if i sat an audience down and projected transparencies through say a Leitz projector up on the screen people would be shocked..pleasantly shocked for sure..

  89. David…
    Exactly! And if I want to tinker with film and all that, I can chuck a roll of Tri-X, and head off into the darkroom.

  90. PAUL

    on the other hand, i can carry my whole life’s work on an iPad around in my Domke bag, full of enough gear for a day of shooting, and with the same machine write a letter to my mother, listen to Chopin, and read Huckleberry Finn…pretty amazing…

  91. The problem is everyone is forced to be a good photoshop technician. There used to be plenty of increadibly talented photographer who just took photos…and had no interest in darkroom or scanning. If you could not afford to pay someone to print, you could always just shoot slides. So, so easy.

  92. David…
    Laughing!!Yes of course sitting in the park texting with my photography hero, amazing! Can you imagine texting as a kid with HCB or RF with that Leica IIIf beside you?

  93. Bill..

    Thodoris’ book definitely is a very good example why a book is THE thing.. or better, why printed matter is IT.. very much looking forward to get in print one of the photographs.. very curious to see it comparing it to the one in the book :)

  94. For the majority of photographers the question is academic in terms of ever being able to get a book published by a mainstream publisher. If you cannot almost guarantee a return on their investment you won’t get their backing. Publishing is a business and has to make a profit.
    Many photographers are trying the self publishing route which is now (at last) a real technical possibility, but they still run into the problem of making money and of getting all-important publicity for their book. For this majority the IPad seems perfect for producing online books that can be both a saleable item in themselves and perhaps serve as a dummy book to show to paper publishers, magazine editors et.

    So I vote for both complimenting the other.

    Mike.

  95. Imants, I too have “Memories of a Dog” by Diado Moriyama. Other favourites are “Japanese Photobooks of the 1960s and 70s” and “Things As They Are” – both great books but also very useful for studying magazine and book layouts as they show photos of actual magazine and book pages.

    New Ipad to be released soon.

    Mike.

  96. MIKE R

    you are quite correct, getting a mainstream book publisher is still where you want to be if at all possible…at least today..not sure about tomorrow…however, making money even with a major publisher is not the end game for most photographers….at least not directly…few if any make money with books, including the publisher…

    cost of production makes photo book publishing a biz for those who love books more than biz…

    i do not know of any who really expect a significant return on their investment EXCEPT they might just see it as keeping the level of their brand high and doing the right thing for photography while also promoting titles that do sell..Phaidon makes money on architecture books..Aperture for example has always needed funding from donors to publish a book…..there is no “return on investment” for many or even most photo books….most reasons for publishing or not publishing really do depend on the value perceived for the work…yes, of course, some books do sell and give the publisher a return….but look closely at some of the very best…to be sure this is not a proclamation on my part..but it does come from many conversations with many photographers and publishers..

    HOWEVER, having a book taken seriously will have you taken seriously all around and should still be the highest goal for photographers whose intention is to make a mark…..i do not know of any other way (at least traditionally) that puts a photographer in the arena of respect more than having a printed book…usually these are mainstream publishers, Aperture , Phaidon, Steidl, Powerhouse, etc etc…some self published books have also done well…see PDN magazine this month….and yes the iPad could change the equation entirely from a business perspective and i am fascinated…at the same time this fascination with the iPad and all that is happening also drives me more and more towards the hand made limited edition one of a kind effort…not in revolt…just for the purity and the art of it….

    cheers, david

  97. Apple and others are promoting the clear crisp look……. everything is sharp and clear ………………. I wonder if that is where the photographic image is bound to go?

  98. Eva they really are not published as yet, too busy putting the stuff together I am at the final stage of getting the files in order, colours right etc. The dummy book prints were pretty important especially the transition from screen to paper. Things like out of gamut colours, tonal misfits all became evident, all boring stuff but has to be done. Plus there is a chance to reassess final sequences, chuck a few out chuck a few images in.
    .
    Learnt stuff like glossy screens are better to get the blacks right, the printed image shows any errors in the whites. The best image proportions for me ended up a 1:1.48 and then there is the usual stuff like transitions from one scale to the next from image to image …….
    The other stuff is one offs……..

  99. Imants.. yes, I know they’re not published.. yet.. but am confident they will be. I love the look of them, how they fold up.. having dummies to play with is important, for checking the colours etc. for sure, the flow, but also to see if the chosen format fits.. very nice indeed!

  100. David, very interesting reply. From what you write, photo books really are a labour of love for all concerned.
    The photo book produced by a mainstream publisher would seem to indicate that a photographer has “arrived” and will gain the attention of the industry and hopefully garner future work. Just the existence of the book seems to be reward enough for many photographers.

    Your desire for hand made limited edition books is understandable. Would you see this as a business venture as in a Fine Art production as with Imant’s work or simply a labour of love? For the emerging photographers here, how would you use the technology available now if you were just starting out?

    Your twitter feed ” feel like I am managing a really young man’s career.My own.Odd and yet amazing feeling.I would wish for all I mentor to feel this someday.” is gratifying to read and does you credit.

    Mike.

  101. “Nowadays there isn’t a single digital file which doesn’t need tinkering with! ”

    Paul… I disagree. if you want, you can load a custom made curve into most cameras these days and shoot an entire project with that curve. Let’s say a nice strong contrast, highly vivid color curve. Now you know that you’re going out and must shoot with all that in mind. So it’s still possible to shoot as if shooting slide film. You just need to find or create the curve that floats your boat. And then shoot accordingly.

    I do this often.

  102. MIKE R

    actually everything i do is a labor of love , including Burn…i do need to earn a living, but somehow i do survive, but friends and family are not sure quite how…they scratch their heads….well it all comes from my work or some teaching and the two are interconnected of course …from a Burn publishing standpoint something like Imants work would most likely fall into the category of limited edition but not hand made…he has the hand made version which is another object altogether…my limited edition and hand made ventures now just involve my own projects, like my hand made family albums upcoming ..again , i would not characterize it as a business venture exactly but high value will be placed on anything that takes me weeks to make..by that time , you do not want to sell it at any price!!

    emerging photographers today with all the new tech need to do what has always worked for artists for centuries…get seriously educated in the world you want to enter….do heartfelt real work… make sure it is seen by the few purveyors you really value most…going for the so called masses straight off will confuse everyone and take compliments from your friends/family for what they are…be ruthless in self critique….make sure your work is seen in the proper context and totally refined by the folks who make decisions on shows on books on commissions in the arena you have chosen…start with an audience of one special person…this will lead to two …etc etc

    THODORIS…

    thank you for this list…do all of them distribute as well?

  103. Also, Paul… and this is fairly important. Many programs (LR3, photoshop, etc) strip all camera curves when rendering RAW files. In the case of Nikon cameras, Nikon Capture and ViewNX keep the “look” you set in camera. (and you can change it later if you like) If Canon has a similar Canon based program to work with then you’re probably in good shape. Again, not familiar enough with Canon’s equipment so your mileage may vary. ;^}

  104. Just to clarify a bit, in addition to color, I really like the size advantage of on screen viewing. I can currently view images much larger than any book and with the larger screen could see work the size of large gallery prints.

    And Michael K is right that you can effectively s
    Design your own film. I’d add you can create your own developer as well. I’m to the point where on most images I just use Photoshop to resize and save as.

  105. DAVID :)

    ironically, i was just re-looking at BURN01 too….and it sits along side MERCY and MANN’S newest….and for me, BURN01 is a realization (as i wrote when i received the copy) that the on-line BURN just cannot approach….it isn’t that the work LOOKS better in BURN01 than on BURN on line, it is the (dare i suggest) sacred and profane beautiful nature of the BOOK itself…like the fold of hands upon the chest, there is no duplicating that aspect….it is why i always prefer books to online, always…but book also live inside me in a way that pictures on the screen don’t….because, while i can mobilize myself with the web (carry a iphone/ipad/blackberry/laptop, etc with me), it still isn’t yet the same physical and sensory experience…

    how to express the sound of the movement of pages as part of the experience of a book?….

    and, ummm….i guess, i’ll just have to surprise you….

    i think it was one of the first things that bound me to IMANTS, that we were both book-makers….and i have always always loved his accordians of time…tried to get the gallery that used to represent me and marina to have an exhibition of his books….marina, btw, has made gorgeous gorgeous handmade books too….u should see them too someday….

    on somedays, i just want to present to you/burn the final BOOK of what ive been working on for 10 years, or the facebook….and work with you to try to get it published…on other days, i just want to do it alone….who knows….

    one of the greatest of all contemporary american (world) novelists, stephen wright, languors in anonymity….he has written THE greatest novel on vietnam, one of THE greatest novels about the Civil War, for me THE greatest Road Trip novel of American (superior to on the road) and who knows him?….that is the funny part…..i agree that, as a writer and as a photographer, THE BOOK is part of my own artistic apotheosis…..but, how to explain too, that i am just as interested in using pics as expressions of gesture and memory…and that means, at times, turning your back to the thin that seems to be the way to gain ‘recognition’…..

    look through the submission archives for singles ;)))>..u’ll find the final image from the essay i’ve made for y’all…

    lastly: you were in a dream last night…here is the short version: we were talking about books/photography….i made some weird speech to a group of people why you’re photography legacy is inextricably bound to your teaching and the world you’ve provided other photographers (young and old, friends and students, colleagues and strangers), and then you and i were sitting in a rickshaw, driving through the old streets of taipei (or mabye bkk) and you asked me to come with you on a photoshoot in europe and africa (you were going with your ‘gilfriend’ whose name in the dream was tanya) and i was wondering if i could/should go….cause i’d be away from marina, and i wanted to finish my book, and then you said, ‘ok, go shoot your own trees in europe’ ;))>….you were laughing…we ended up in chinatown in nyc, still in the rickshaw, but then a swarm of people calling out…and i walked toward a red temple and lit some lotus….and woke up, wondering if i should tell marinka i’m off to europe and africa with harvey ;)))>..

    maybe it’s your son’s suffering pics that are giving me wanderlust…

    HUGS,

    IMANts :)))))…indeed indeed…those beautiful accordians

  106. Michael and MW…
    I remember when I bought the dsII ACR didn’t have profiles yet so I was forced to use Canon raw converter and the images weralways more pleasing. Problem the canon converter was so slow!

  107. oh, and 1 last thought…which is (maybe) a bit different than what often is thought of here (elsewhere) with respect to ‘essays’ vis-a-vis books…

    as David and I have talked about before, i often think in terms of anti-essays (an ante thing ;))…in other words, one that does not necessarily have to lead to either the realization of a larger narrative (book/story) or even contain the idea of a narrative itself based on the sequence of images….where is the ‘essay’ in Boltanski, or in a sequence of performances by Zhang Huan (though there is both idea and story for sure)…..

    i have always seen everything i’ve published (from faces to memory to water to carving to bones to oxen) or exhibited as akin to ‘short stories’…or maybe even poems….but not at all the bigger thing i’ve been at work on, the ‘book'(s)…while they do contain pics from faces and memory and bones and oxen for sure, but they are not expansions or duplications, ….sometimes i have to write a setence or story or poem, in order to understand what it is i want to suggest or create in a longer format….

    this is something, david, i’d always wished we had enough private time to discuss, over single malt or herb…what i want to chat about on the front porch of obx….

    for example….

    here is the opening image of the ‘book’….a photograph i’ve never included in any ‘essay’ i’ve ever published…and have never exhibited it, though the print is one of my favorite, ever….

    in many ways, making these ‘short’ (for me) essays and publishing or exhibiting them are ways to help my thinking for the real ‘book’….

    here is a shitty scan of the print…

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/5478915207/

    running to read

    hugs
    b

  108. working on paper books even self-made, onecopy book ect, is one of the best things why so good is to be a photographer. Sometimes it is like collection of poems, sometimes like diary, or novel or encyclopedia or whatever.
    You don’t have to be James Nachtwey or Salgado to made a book.
    And maybe there is an answer what is better Ipad or book. Because who want next file in next computer and who want a own book on shelf?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/54986074@N04/5478986263/sizes/l/in/photostream/

  109. David…

    “do all of them distribute as well?”

    They all sell through their websites, and some of them use third party distributors…

    The problem with big distributors is that they only work with publishers with at least a dozen titles out and a list of titles-to-be-released…

    The most promising options for distribution I have found are:

    http://www.artbook.com/submissions.html
    THE biggest of them all…

    http://www.worldwide-artbooks.com
    they specialize in art libraries across the US

    http://www.mottodistribution.com
    similar to the above, but in Europe

    http://www.selfpublishbehappy.com/shop

  110. “Memories of a Dog” Thanks a bunch Imants; another book I’m going to have to consider buying. Are you in cahoots with the bank in trying to keep me poor? ;-)

  111. TECH ALERT

    Paul, Michael

    Go to “picture styles” in the Canon menu. There are several standard pre-sets, as well as custom presets where you can individually control sharpness, contrast, saturation, and color tone. These of course will only affect the JPG.
    Then of course in ACR there is the camera calibration tab, the little camera third from left. Depending which camera you are using, the drop down menu will offer you a variety of looks. For my Canon files it offers adobe standard, camera standard, camera faithful, camera landscape, camera neutral, and camera portrait. There is a considerable difference in rendition between these.
    Next there are the sliders below for shadow tint, and red green and blue hue and saturation. Neutralize your greys and correct for density before you mess with any of this. This is a difficult area to use, but can save your bacon in difficult lighting conditions, like open shade on a cloudless day. You can create pre-sets and save them or make them your default.

    If you are a real keener, you can create profiles for specific cameras and lighting conditions. http://www.rags-int-inc.com/PhotoTechStuff/ColorCalibration/
    I’ve done this in the past and it worked extremely well, but have not tried it lately.\

    Finally, there are a bunch of ‘film look’ plug-ins for photoshop that emulate film.

  112. Paul, I love RAW but your point about being done once you shot that perfectly exposed slide is very well taken.

    For me, it was never quite that simple, however.

    Before digital, I preferred to shoot black and white and would only shoot color when I had to – like when I shot my one spread in National Geographic. And black and white was a tremendous amount of work. I discovered that while most labs would do a good job with color film, you could not trust them with black and white and so I had to develop all the film myself, print contact sheets, spend hours upon hours peering at those sheets through a loupe.

    Then, once I started to print, there was always burning and dodging to be done. Always. Once you had a print – you had a print. One. Well before it became practical to shoot digital, I bought a Leafscan film scanner and began to scan all my tri-x and T-Max. That, too, was a time consuming process, because you still had to do all the burning and doding – but inside the computer. Once you were done, however – you had the image and you could reuse it as many times as you want.

    When I made the jump to my first digital camera, the Canon D6 – or 6D? – in 2002, my intent was to continue on as a black and white shooter, by converting all the images to gray scale. But I found the grayscale to be very unsatisfying. Good results good be had, but it took a lot of work and a lot of time to get there. It was much faster just to process the images as color.

    But now that I am doing color, I like RAW. Yes, it always needs processing but there have been some images that I absolutely would have lost had I shot them on color slide film due to exposure mishaps but that I know have – including what I believe will be one of my top ten legacy images after I have passed on. That image would have been forever lost had I made the same mistake with it on slide film – on print film as well. But now it is beautiful and, even to me, amazing to look it and contemplate.

    You can say, be careful and precise in the first place and that kind of thing won’t happen, but sometimes live moves quick and chaotic and we make mistakes. RAW can be the life-saver.

    Thodoris – a pleasure.

    Eva – that will be a treasure.

  113. Frostfrog
    Actually, shooting slides has it’s own tedium. While it is true that a projected site is a joy to behold, organizing a slide projector and a dark room can be an issue. If you avoid projecting originals then even that is not possible, and viewing and editing takes place on a light table squinting through a loupe. I’ve got some pretty good loupes, but compared to viewing photos on a good monitor it is pretty un-satisfactory. There is no going back.

  114. THODORIS thanks for the list much appreciated

    ROSS it is great meandering read

    EVA the accordion books are all hand made translation into print just doesn’t work as they lose their tactile nature. Some images find their way into the other books.

  115. books.. books.. books..

    and magazines printed on paper good enough to not see the shadow of the image on the following page.. in the UK i had many hundreds.. a wall in my studio home.. a steady stream of them sent monthly from clients and potential clients for more than 10 years..

    when i emigrated the relief, (the bitter joy), of “unloading” was palpable.. and the recycling center which devoured them adored me..
    just could not afford moving them this time.

    the plasticity of a photo back-lit on screen just doesn’t get the same rise out of me.
    mcdonalds may have it’s place, yet a steak would always be my preference… i’m cooking steaks over and over.. blue to rare is best and getting the temperature right for that’s at the forefront of my mind.. has been for years..

    so much about the internet leaves me feeling under-nourished.. wanting..
    photos and characters and music and fads..
    solidity and the object..
    the table at the pub beats skype conversation..
    the compact disk pisses on the mp3
    and a book eats chunks out of my laptop.

  116. a civilian-mass audience

    I just returned from a big carnaval…we have Apokries (Halloween) in Greece…
    everything is broken…but not the spirit…
    I blended ouzo,beer,raki…
    and HOT,HOT civilians dancing like there is no tomorrow…oime…
    Everything is hot…books,i-pads,civilians,souvlakia…HOT and BURNing…!!!

    P.S …I will start to read your comments…I hope I finish soon:)))
    BURN my BURNIANS!!! MR.HARVEY are you ready for Rio?!!!!!!!

  117. Just wanted to share with all…

    Along with tortilla chips, beer bottles, band-aids etc…Throw into the light modifier hat: the paper wrapper from a Lea & Perrins Worcestershire sauce bottle! Works great!

    Peace.

  118. a civilian-mass audience

    DB…game over…!
    yeap…
    homeless BURNIAN…looking for home…
    I need a photo to go with the caption…

    the winner will receive a bottle(miniature) of extra virgin olive…all organic:)))
    ok,back to my reading…hmmm

    MICHAELK…bravo…so,do you blend the sauce with the wrapper…hmmm… do you need a waterproof camera to throw the mix…no need to reply…just wondering out loud…

    Evolution…REVOLUTION…to all…be strong my Libyan friends…
    we Greeks will follow…
    LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLL

  119. Frostfrog/Bill…
    Yes I agree ACR has many merits I have also saved many images with it. Its just I am a rebel and I like to Choose between using it or not. At the moment shooting digital I am obliged to go into ACR or photoshop to get something decent out of my dsII files.

  120. A couple more links from the hundreds out there:

    For distribution:
    http://abcoop.wordpress.com/aboutcontact
    Artists’ Books Cooperative

    —–

    small/independent publishers:

    http://shop.charleslanepress.com/products/fall-river-boys

    http://www.schirmer-mosel.com/corbijn
    amazing production quality

    http://www.thevelvetcell.com/index.html
    they have just released their first (very affordable) little book which is nicely done

    http://pppbooks.blogspot.com

    http://photolucidapdx.blogspot.com
    they’re not exactly publishers, but they do publish 1 to 3 books per year from the work submitted to their Critical Mass competition

  121. Thodoris…
    OK Thanks! But what are YOUR favourite books? My question was directed to you and all Burnians personal favourites. :)

  122. I’ve only got 3… weak year for me
    Sally Mann – The flesh and the spirit.
    Keith Carter -Fireflies.
    OK this one isn’t new but somehow lost it in 2009 without even looking through it and I stumbled on it in Dec.. Kaylynn Deveney – The day to day life of Albert Hastings. And it’s brilliant!

  123. DAVID BOWEN

    welcome back here amigo….been missing your wisdom…..no , game not over in june….we are working now to add many interesting elements to the pot between now and june , so we would not do that if there were to be no more Burn…i might just have to turn the day to day running of Burn over to others so that i may finish some of my work..

    cheers, david

  124. Top ten photobooks 2010? No idea, as I don’t know in which year the books I bought last year came out.. and I don’t really have top, my meter to measure would be if I would buy them again.. and sometimes one or two pictures in a book to me are worth the whole book.. plus it changes, depending on mood, need and state of mind..

  125. Eva…
    Well I suppose I sort of wrote 10 automatically without thinking it over…
    Favourite photobook you purchased in 2010?
    You are lucky :)! I find it very hard to enjoy a book with only two or three images in it I like.

  126. Paul.. favourite.. don’t know.. but the one that has made me appreciate different photographic styles that are different from what I’m instinctively drawn to, and therefore opened my mind most, is without doubt burn.01..

    And then, just looking at my shelves.. there are so many.. yikes.. insane how many I have.. Ackerman’s Half Life, Axelsson’s Faces of the North, Salgado’s Other Americas, Bazan’s Passing Through.. too too many to choose a top..

    Imants: that is one photographic ‘book’ I happily skip..

  127. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…
    my favourite is BURN03…cause I like threes…
    three is the first lucky prime number…

  128. a civilian-mass audience

    oime…new essay…hmmm…where is JIM…:)))

    and My BURNIANS…up on my screen…I can see my name on the left and a search box on the right…
    did we have that before…hmmm…I better check my glasses…

  129. Eva, ” sometimes one or two pictures in a book to me are worth the whole book.. ” yes, I bought Koudelka’s Gypsies for the cover photograph. Liked the rest of the book but I had to have the cover photograph.

    Mike.

  130. As a child, and if Dad’s budget afforded it, we would spend a week at a rented cottage in various parts of Ontario’s resort area. When I was ten or eleven, returning from one of these vacations, we stopped at a house in a remote forest; after a few minutes inside, Dad returned to the car with a few cardboard boxes. At home he presented us with a collection of 200 National Geographic magazines; in a way, they were my first photo-books.

    I was able to roam the world literally at my fingertips with this collection – even undersea and outer space. This was the late sixties and I was connected to the world by these magazines of photographs similar to the way I am now interconnected via the Internet. How lucky I was – in the sense that not every child had such a library – that I could learn about archaeology, anthropology, natural history and cutting-edge science. What a database! I would cut out photos from the magazines to glue to my school essays; sometimes in fact, my essays would be built around the photographs. Over the years as my interests changed, I could always rely on the National Geographic collection for at least cursory information. Who knows how those early sparks led to further, deeper pursuits of wisdom later?

    When we’re asked if paper is hot, I look upon it it in a McLuhanistic way – is it a “hot” medium, or not? Looking at it in the sensory/participation paradigm, the answer is not discrete, but relative. Is it hotter than an e-book? The tactile nature of reading/handling a book requires more participation from the user in a physical sense – at rest and at leisure – but an e-book can be read anywhere, anytime. The degree of user participation is on a another plane, and could be considered equal but different.

    The sensory impact is similar but different also. We can share an ebook with others easier; we can enlarge the images to our satisfaction on screen (unlike a painting, a photograph doesn’t have a fixed size – visual impact changes with size). I find the question quite full, as the degree of sensation and participation seems to flow back and forth between the two mediums.

    One thing is for sure though; I now no longer cut out photos from my photo-books. I make my own photos…and that may be just the latest legacy from my first photo-books.

  131. Mike..

    Methinks you have another edition of ‘Gypsies’ than mine then, I got a tiny little picture on the cover.. wouldn’t have bought the book for that alone :)

    All that talk about books and Cristina Garcia Rodero and her work on traditions and rituals have made me go in the darkroom and start to print some negatives that were there since a couple years http://www.slowemotion.it/home.htm .. and now I’d like to go back and take more pictures.. uff..

  132. Eva, it is the portrait of an elderly man, holding a large coin and a photograph of himself as a young man. It is a small photograph but I love it. It captures the passage of time. The introduction on the inner sleeve is by Robert Delpire and dated 1975. There is a larger version of the photograph in the book proper but I love the smaller version.

    Best,

    Mike.

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    VIVA EVA…take a glass of wine with you…
    hmm…I don’t know…can you photographers drink in the darkromm…???

  134. Mike.. same as mine then..

    Civi.. can’t take the wine with me.. YOU have the best.. what should I drink?? no darkroom for a week.. crossing borders tomorrow.. not waters though..

  135. OH EVA!!!!
    Brilliant. When will you create a book or an essay so we can all be blown away by your photography? Quietly and steadily always forward.

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    EVA is crossing borders…
    not the BURNING waters
    PAUL is waiting for her book
    editing his photos…
    DAH is crossing borders too
    oime,MY BURNIANS…we are going south…:)))

    yeap, EVA…I have the best wine in my broken Grecolandia…

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    Tonight,I followed the twitty’s words:
    “You notice brilliant philosophers in every pub? Smartest people on the planet seem to hang towards end of the bar…”
    I was sitting towards the end…I returned back home…I did the IQ test…nothing,zero nada…
    same results…maybe worse…:)
    BUT
    I don’t give up…I am a fighter like YOU my BURNIANS…
    as PAUL says… “Quietly and steadily always forward.”
    keep rolling…

    P.S I am looking forward for MR.HARVEY’S traveling through Universe…
    cause I will be able to sing …(to be perceived as a joke):)))

  138. harvey..

    if wisdom were in me i’d be a better man..
    i’ve just tried to be be confident following my plentiful mistakes..
    :o)

    while away from the internet i’ve been working hard.. saved and got a flatbed to finally contact-scan everything.. all negatives, all projects.. about 35% done after a month.. maybe 25 000 done.. unsure.

    between that, being a pappa and working on a portrait of the island where we live, time has just evaporated.. also beginning to edit down the personal / impersonal work i have done since emigrating 3 years ago.. have a couple of book ideas evolving.
    being away from the internet is recommended.

    on magazines –

    i liked the layout and format of the magazines i worked for.. was like getting books of similar layout through the post monthly, yet with wildly varying content.. the way “satellites” and “infidel”.. or .. ‘concerned photographer” and “burn01” share a common size and layout, with differing subject matter…

    i’d always skim read once or twice before settling in, and personally i don’t do that with the web.. it’s a one hit wonder.. a single pass, MTV style disposable experience with links and references leading elsewhere. hours drift by on the internet and new things bombard..

    for me, relaxation and recuperation happens much easier with a book or magazine.. with the internet there is a constant “click-through, consume” which leaves me a bit .. wired?

    quite apart from the tactile nature of the things, the comfort from familiarity of form, books and magazines become more fascinating as time passes..
    websites are deleted when old, magazines ferment.
    i remember giving you a vintage copy of natgeo with some of your spanish work that i picked up in bergen.. the adverts, articles.. also the form and formula of magazines repeats over time and can be a source of ideas.

    on books –
    as others have said, they are for the most part transient. i’ve never hung on to reading material – only photo books.. although i am not a collector of them. i buy what i like, yet have a healthy suspicion that if i over subscribe to them the influence of other photographers could bleed into my work.
    i tend to go through bursts of gorging on them.. just coming out of a year of doing just that now and beginning to not want to see more. working too much on my own thing right now and want to keep my influences firmly in the “real” surroundings i have, rather than the fine efforts of others.

    i still find the work of others interesting.. an interesting distraction though.. my favorite work is my own and the greatest influences are the people and experience in my own life.. i want to keep it that way and i’m sensitive to the work of others.. so i enjoy books then leave them.

    for example.. i got around to looking at sobols “sabine” recently.. loved it.. now trying to forget it..
    :o)

    ramble, ramble.

  139. BOB BLACK
    David…..lastly: you were in a dream last night…
    ——————
    BOB!!!!You are luckier than me.

    Last I told David he was in one of my dreams, he found it bizarre/weird (well, that’s the stuff of dream, David, weirdness…) asked me what I had been smoking, stop smoking it and have a hot glass of milk before bedtime. I was not even…;-)…. pestering him as you did, just had him chuckling at a joke while he directed a WS. I was basically totally unobtrusive in my very own dream.

    I have now filed a petition to my subconscious to suppress any vision of David in my dreams, and for that matter, while I was at it, any vision of…. Bob Black too! :-)))))))))))

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    and the Oscar goes to Banksy…!!!

    P.S.thanks for everything…credit where credit is due…!!!

  141. DAH:
    as in all art it is generally those who have received remuneration for their efforts who have indeed historically done the very best work….
    ——————————-
    David, I agree totally with you that the pressure of having to submit, or having to get to it, can produce the best work/art. But there are countless examples of artists who went about creating great art without the promise of remuneration. Van Gogh, Schubert, Rimbaud, etc… Closer to us, Shostakovich who lived under Staline censorship created a lot of what is now considered his greatest testimony to the music of the 20th century (preludes and fugues for piano, quatuors), on the side of the commissions the “Party” asked of him.

    Maybe I misunderstood what you meant, or maybe it is going to far back in time with my examples. It would indeed seem that nowadays, one has in some ways have to find some spot in the “market place” to get a chance at recognition.

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    Herve
    February 28, 2011 at 1:47 am
    BOB BLACK
    David…..lastly: you were in a dream last night…
    ——————
    BOB!!!!You are luckier than me.
    ——————————

    I second HERVE…!!!

  143. David Bowen…

    “yet have a healthy suspicion that if i over subscribe to them the influence of other photographers could bleed into my work…
    for example.. i got around to looking at sobols “sabine” recently.. loved it.. now trying to forget it..”

    I find your thoughts on books being too much of an influence very interesting! I have long had the suspicion that my photography books are not the healthiest of influences on me either.

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    KATIEEEE FONSECA,myGRACIE,SIDNEY,LEE,POMARA,AUDREY,LASSAL,HAIK,KATHARINA,SOPHIA,KERRY,JASON,FRANK,WENDY,
    CHARLES,PATRICIA,JENNY,CHRIS,JIM,PAUL,DAVID,MEDFORD,KATIA,LISA,ANNAM,VALERY,ABELE,ANDREWB,MARK,JEREMY,MIKE,TOM,LANCE,RAMON,VIVEK,STUPID,PATRICIO,KYUNGHEE LEE,ANDREA,CARRIE,CATHY,DOMINIK,MARTIN…and…and…
    SPACECOWBOYYYYYYYYYYY…
    you were in a dream last nigh…a BURNING one…where are you BURNIANSSSS?!!

  145. To learn how to play an instrument…just as an example Blues, probably the best way to find a personal style is to begin learning the licks, riffs and phrases of other musicians. Hopefully when one has learnt a sufficient amount of licks you can then start to improvise and with a little bit of luck your own “voice” will begin to emerge…
    Countless times I remember going into the National Gallery as a kid at school and seeing students copying the works of the masters…skill gets imprinted through the action.
    I´ve heard of a novelist who taught himself the craft of fiction by retyping the stories of his favourite authors.
    These are all ways of honing ones skills in order to create but as David Bowen mentions reading photography books does not seem to have the same positive effect.

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    I am in again…back to work…we Europeans suffer…:)))

    Be safe my BURNIANS…especially those who will attend carnivals…
    oime…I have been warned…not to get attached to the photophilosophers…
    But

    “Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.”
    T.S. Eliot

  147. http://www.banksy.co.uk/shop/index.html

    BEST ARTIST IN THE WORLD????
    ABSOLUTELY…..

    BANKSY…..

    nobody ever seen his face…and gives his art for free…couple years ago almost got arrested and his identity revealed when he visited the Disneyland in LA and put an inflated doll in the amusement park…
    the doll it was an “imitation” of a Guantanamo Bay prisoner wearing the typical orange suit and a black mask in his head…
    Banksy is like Robin Hood…or Zorro…
    He almost got the Oscar award for best documentary last night in LA Oscar ceremony…he was competing with RESTREPO (also a nominee ) although the final winner was a documentary about wall street…
    How “they” ruined american economy, destroyed europe, and nobody ever got punished..
    think Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, JPMorgan Chase and all those scum backs…

    please ALL “discover” the BEST STREET ARTIST OF ALL TIMES:
    BANKSY….see the documentary….

  148. Banksy was most probably in the auditorium but nobody ever knew his real name, nobody knows how he looks like…no gallery ever represent him and his street art is sold for millions in the black market….
    if u think Andy Warhol was cool….then u never discovered Banksy…
    the total mystery man…THE BEST ARTIST BORN EVER…

  149. NY Times today:

    QUOTATION OF THE DAY

    “I’m not an activist, an alarmist, a Democrat, environmentalist or anything like that. I’m just a person who isn’t able to manage the health of my family because of all this drilling.”
    KELLY GANT, whose says her children have had severe asthma attacks and headaches since a gas well was set up near her house in Bartonville, Tex.

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    PANOS…BANKTSY won the Oscar…here in BURNLAND…
    I guess you were sleeping:)))

    a civilian-mass audience
    February 28, 2011 at 1:55 am
    and the Oscar goes to Banksy…!!!
    P.S.thanks for everything…credit where credit is due…!!!

    POMARA…where have you been..MR.Higher Education?!!BRAVO for your book!
    I am waiting for my BBQ…!

    BRAVO to my ANTONNNN…!!!

    BURNIANS you are all amazing…BRAVOHARVEY!!!

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    ok,back to our regular programe…2 chickens gone…I needed protein…oups:)
    I will be back…

  152. News from the British Journal of Photography: Leica and Magnum collaboration

    http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2028543/magnum-photos-partners-leica

    DAH, perhaps you can get Leica to produce an M camera with viewfinder that allows the user to see the frame lines whilst wearing spectacles. The current viewfinder dates from the 1950s.

    Are you Leica collaborating with the Rio story David? Hope so, let us know how you find the reliability of the M9 please. I’m using Leica film: I did have an M8 but didn’t get on with it. The body depth is deeper than the film M and I found myself holding it between finger and thumb like a point and shoot!

    Perhaps I should ask Anton?

    http://www.antonkusters.com/2011/01/25/whats-in-my-camera-bag-right-now-super-lightweight/

    Mike.

  153. I think it’s a “horses for courses” situation whether you can be over-influenced by other’s work. I’ve found it extremely beneficial to see a wide variety of work (book, web) because it has opened my eyes to the sheer diversity of photographic work.

    It may be different if you’ve been brought up in an art-filled home; or maybe attended an art school where you have been exposed to many types of work.

    Viewing a wide variety of work also gives you the confidence to try something different in your own work because your sense of the art/photographic world has been widened. Slavishly copying another’s work is definitely a dead end road though. Just my 2c worth! :-)

  154. Ross…
    That isn’t 2c worth! More like 1000 dollars like all burn!
    I think you are right one must keep everything in perspective. Here where I live and probably like you it’s all very far removed…the world of Magnum and all the greats and I need the books and the web to keep up. Necessary to keep inspired. But it is funny since i’ve been reading Emerald Isle i’ve noticed my images are very busy, crowded with various layers! I suppose as long as I am aware of it everything is in control :)

  155. I find the work of others very helpful. [both the work I love and the work I am disdainful of]
    Why does this picture make me feel this way?
    why am I drawn to it? [or, obviously, the converse]
    What fantastic tonality…How is that realised? Why do I find it fantastic?
    Does it fit with what I want to say in a picture, now or later?
    CAN I USE IT?

    McCULLEN
    MANN
    SOBOL
    JONES GRIFFITHS
    KOUDELKA
    FUSCO
    LEITER …..al[ and so many more]l have taught me invaluable lessons
    A way of saying what I want/need to say……NOT a way of copying what someone else has already said!
    Your life is YOUR LIFE!, and it absolutely determines how you reflect in the mirror.
    Being true to that mirror is my goal.
    A picture of a tree, or a street or a face….they all reflect YOU! USE THAT!
    WHO ARE YOU?
    Do not try to be a D’agata if you are not, he is as most likely as covetous of your position as you his.
    BE YOURSELF. and reflect that in your work. At least then, if nothing else, you are honest.

    Panos. yes that is robin. Is it such a big deal? I have known him for years and he is just a man….dont make legends of people.

  156. Panos. yes that is robin. Is it such a big deal? I have known him for years and he is just a man…
    —————————————————–

    damn….John i envy you :)

  157. Ross, i agree…but its hard (impossible for me at least) to deny Banksy’s tremendous talent..
    Im not a graffiti artist nor im aiming to be one…but but the guy totally inspires me to the fullest!

  158. Panos. You should be inspired. He is a fasntastic artist. His sense of satire is tremendous…..and behind the whole mask thing he does the right thing with his ……assests. Just believe that despite the quoted prices and the hype, he has not sold out.

  159. “a bit of pragmatism colliding with passion”

    I agree; that’s a pretty good combination, and usually produces an outcome. Much better than the person who should really work as a gunner in the Navy.. You know? “Gunna do this, gunna do that” but really prefers to talk about it, rather than starting anything. :-)

  160. All, here is the docu made directed by Banksy nominated for Oscar yesterday:

    “EXIT THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP”

    btw, its streaming free through netflix (for USA)

    “Amateur filmmaker Thierry Guetta’s project to chronicle the underground world of street art takes a fascinating twist when he meets Banksy , an elusive British stencil artist, in this Oscar nominated documentary.

    Cast: Banksy-Shepard Fairey-Thierry Guetta
    Director: Banksy

  161. Mike R, (although a rangefinder and definitely an M8 fanatic),
    i still believe that ANY camera is a GREAT camera…
    most dentists own M8, M9’s etc…. and nothing comes out right as u know!

  162. “I´ve heard of a novelist who taught himself the craft of fiction by retyping the stories of his favourite authors.”

    PAUL…

    That was Henry Miller wasn’t it? (Or maybe Kerouac?) (Nah, I’m going with Miller.)

  163. Michael K, nice one. Panos, last I heard you were shooting M8: is that still the case?

    Perhaps you should start a wedding present list, you know; toaster, M9, towels, M9, etc.

    Mike.

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    Don’t we All love it…when our BURNIANS are starting…the tongue in the cheek thing…

    damnit…we should call this place…BRAVOBURN…:)))

  165. I think that the Leica / Magnum partnership is a good thing. Anything that promotes rangefinder cameras to photographers and gives Leica real-world feedback of their products in the field must be beneficial.

    And Panos, yes; the best camera in the world is the one you have with you!

    Good light mate,

    Mike.

  166. Michael, Paul:
    “I´ve heard of a novelist who taught himself the craft of fiction by retyping the stories of his favourite authors.”

    The amazing Donald Ray Pollock for certain.

  167. MikeR.. great idea.. Although the way I shoot is pretty much M8 compatible..
    M9 wouldn’t change anything except from putting me in extra debt double sizing my files and cutting my harddrives capacity in half…
    I mean really.. But I wouldn’t say no to a second , second hand M8…
    although I never had to do any repairs or even clean it.. Exposed to beach sand million times..
    Tons of corona (and recently some vodka) on it.. No sweat..
    Only a Toyota camry could be as reliable…
    No bull.. No advertisement ..:)

  168. HERVE…you….the BURNing bag…last year…:)))))))))))))))
    ———————

    David was happy for me, but thinks my winning caption was not that good! No wonder I leave him alone in my dreams…. :-))))

  169. Michael Kircher and Windup…
    I don´t know about Kerouc or Miller but Raymond Chandler believed Hemingway to be the greatest American novelist of his time, and he wrote imitations of Hemingway´s style to absorb what he loved about it. Proust went further, spending twelve years translating and annotating the writing of John Rushkin. He also wrote a series of articles for Le Figaro imitating the styles of such nineteenth century figures as Balzac and Flaubert.

    BTW Michael… yes Allard and Hemingway are a good fit. Anymore photographers whose style can be likened to be writers?

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    MR.HARVEY…may the spirits…blah,blah,blah…

    mice can wait …to play
    countdown begins now…
    one hour …two hours…three hours…

    I guess…I am the cat…:)))))))))))))))))

    P.S PAUL…I see Spanish influence…damnit…we rock…!!!

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    and after play time…please, can you bring some of those HOT pictures of yours…
    I am prepared now…
    I promised wine to my guy in the pharmacy…he promised to bring me my prescription
    (high blood pressure)…

  172. a civilian-mass audience

    where is FRAMERS…her birthday is coming up…oime…you are so many…

  173. a civilian-mass audience

    MICHAELK…according to my calendar…he has 30 more years to go…:)

  174. a civilian-mass audience

    MK…
    I use the Ancient ,Athenian Greek calendar…;)

    PAUL…65 Strat…wooo

    to ALL BURNIANS:
    “Wanted:Digi assistant Rio de Janeiro. Now. Long hours, low pay, and very best time of your life. Guaranteed. Leave message Burn Magazine.Rio ”

    Damnit,I qualify But I just can’t leave my chickens…:))))))))))))))))

    ok,enough,I will be back…

  175. a civilian-mass audience

    to be accurate…you are 23 and 7 months…
    Running like BOBBY

    LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLL

  176. Michael K.,

    Thanks for the Telecaster link! I got to Springsteen’s Tele at the Rock ‘n Roll Hall of Fame – I’ve never seen a guitar with more honest wear… Where’s Rossy at? He’s a Tele lover…

    Paul,

    I’m envious! (Mine’s a ’99 or ’00 MIM Telecaster, but I can’t play worth a damn :-)

  177. Justin…
    The secret is PRACTICE! Started at the age of 8 and by the age of 14 I was practising before going into school, lunchtime break and after school. Was averaging easily 6 hours a day, sounds like a lot but by the age of 20 when I was teaching music I was practising or studying about 10 hours daily.
    But no more thanks! 12 years teaching at school and at home privately burnt me out, had lots of great students but somehow everything just sucked the life out of my love for the guitar.

  178. Gordon…
    Yes very true! I won´t fall in the trap twice!
    Above all I am out to enjoy the whole concept of photography something that I lost with music. Keep getting phone calls asking for music lessons but no thanks.
    Every so often I go out on to my front porch in the afternoon and play until it´s dark just a beer and either my Les Paul or one of my acoustics and I do recover for awhile the magic.
    Still can just about play this while the sun is going down :)

  179. mice can wait …to play
    ———————-
    and dream in the meantime! ;-)

    Guitars…. I owned over a dozen, still 5 left, but I am still crying about selling my Les Paul Goldtop 1956, years, er, decades ago. One of the silliest things i ever done. Prize possessions are a Gibson ES-175 (1955), and a 1966 orange hollow body GRETSCH.

  180. if i were not running to the airport right now , i would go into my really poor harmonica playing..good to jam with guitar though …and the later in the evening and the more wine consumed etc the better i can jam..the good thing about a harmonica is that it goes at the bottom of any camera bag….ok nuf said..bye til Rio…

  181. Found this while reading…
    Perhaps Hemingway´s finest demonstration of short sentence prowess was when he was challenged to tell an entire story in only 6 words:
    “For sale: baby shoes, never used.”

  182. Keith Richard’s Micawber is THE one! :-) First guitar on the page. Now that is road worn! Not the faux fancy-pants brand new pre-road worn!

    http://members.tripod.com/blue_lena/guitar2.html

    David; Yip; can’t beat a blues harp in the bottom of the pack. Funny; I taught myself to play cross harp by using the wrong harmonica. Bought a G harp and the shop put a C inside by mistake.

    So… tried to play along to a Muddy Waters song in G and it didn’t work by blowing, so sucked and it sounded right. In other words; taught myself how to play cross harp by mistake! My skill level still sucks though! :-)

  183. Hi all. back after some time out!
    “(…)are we seeing the end of the printed book game?”
    Guess we’ve been here before…”The End of Print” – from my last visit. Interesting topic…

    As far as I can tell, print is not dead…it’s shifting…from mass to specialty, from large runs to short runs. Small publishers arise, and they are also driven by the ubiquity of the internet. It´s the born global phenomena.

    Small thing apart from subject…
    http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/08/ff_webrip/all/1

    It’s not just print. ;)

    Cheers…

  184. “Guess we’ve been here before…”The End of Print” – from my last visit. Interesting topic…” overstatement, sorry…it’s just that i remember.

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    Welcome back RODOLFOOOOO…

    and to My Rio BURNIANS…please, take care of our MR.HARVEY…he even plays harmonica…
    oime…what else…:)))

    Partyyyyyyyyyyyyyy…!!!

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    Today…1st of MARCH …I was thinking to make it…( a suggestion)

    BURN CREW APPRECIATION DAY!!!

    ANTON,KERRY,MIKEC,ANNA-MARIE,HAIK…
    I need more names…my memory is getting weak…but all of you(u know your names)…behind the tent…
    WE LOVE YOU and THANK YOU !!!

    “We tend to forget that happiness doesn’t come as a result of getting something we don’t have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have.”

    you may not have a Leica M9 or M10…or a trendy lens…
    you may not have THE “pics” of the year
    you may not won any awards…
    BUT
    you have…( I am not gonna make it easy for you)
    BUT
    each one of you…I repeat,YOU HAVE what you have that you know that you Have…

    P.S Now,we have to figure out …the Appreciation day for MR.DAVID ALAN HARVEY…

  187. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…
    I really appreciate it…

    and now we can all try to donate…hmmm…
    I wonder why paypal doesn’t accept…my old drachmas
    well…we can try…

    P.S EVAAAAAA…where is EVA tonight? she knows what to do?

  188. a civilian-mass audience

    ok…goodnight from Grecolandia…

    I know…I am all over…my apologies
    BUT
    MR.DAH said that the mice can play…therefore I accepted my role…
    I am a civilian…and I do as I told…
    BRAVOBURN…pouf all clear

  189. a civilian-mass audience

    I was calling for my Africans friends…now they are here…
    I will be in and out
    RED CROSS is calling…
    I am a civilian…
    with the a mission…

    i love you ALL…I will be back
    keep BURN on fire…
    I hope MR.HARVEY and the other BURNIANS are safe in Rio…

    no ouzo for me today…but Viva anyways…!!!

  190. john g..

    do you know why jockyslut and sleezenation folded?
    i only lost a few hundred when they went out of business.. a colleague lost a couple of grand..
    :o)

  191. Hey David, do you still need an assistant in Rio?… I have sent you a private email, I am not sure if you get them or read them on a constant basis though… Best wishes from Bogota

  192. ALL..

    for those of you trying to find me, i have just been on a 10 hour flight..just arrived Rio…met by two beautiful twin sisters..best arrival of all time….no time to write now…first things first

  193. You know, I dont go anywhere where beautiful twin sisters meet me. In fact, I dont even go anywhere where an evil old crone wishes that my liver would rot and I die of leporsy meets me. I just dont hang around in the right circles, I guess.

  194. Hmm.. I arrived too.. but no twin sisters here either.. must be doing something wrong.. ;))

    Skimming through comments.. hi Rodolfo!.. Civi.. what should I know.. I don’t know anything.. more tea for you??

  195. As i sat quietly waiting my turn to get another X-ray on my foot i took advantage of the very good wifi at my local hospital this morning. I managed to get wade through 15 pages of google searching for a decently priced Bruce Davidson’s “Outside inside”. The cheapest i found was 280 euros and the average price was around 400 euros. Top price was a first edition like all the others! going for 1,200 euros or dollars. Mad!! :)))

  196. Believe it or not, I can actually draw.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

    I am not a black artist, I am an artist.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

    I don’t listen to what art critics say. I don’t know anybody who needs a critic to find out what art is.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

    I don’t think about art when I’m working. I try to think about life.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

    I had some money, I made the best paintings ever. I was completely reclusive, worked a lot, took a lot of drugs. I was awful to people.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

    I start a picture and I finish it.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

    I thought I was going to be a bum the rest of my life.
    Jean-Michel Basquiat

  197. All this book talking/making has inspired me to sort of create a daily diary of images of my kids day to day mixed in with local and world news. Kind of thing when they are round 30 years old they may smile and appreciate.

  198. Panos…
    Seems all the fun is in Rio! All day out yesterday without commenting on here thought i would find the usual great stuff and surprised to find very few comments!

  199. Paul..:)
    Exactly… I should be in rio and I’m pissed coz I already had been booked for the next 4 weeks non stop..
    Los Angeles is very demanding and I have to stay in my territory ..
    (I cover the area all the way from Malibu to marina del rey and as north as the mullholand drive..
    That means drive on the 405 freeway..NOT FUN

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    PAUL…you are right…I just came back and where is the party??????????

    EVA…I forgot what I was talking about…but I am sending over twin brothers…
    they are working for Red Cross…and they know little Italian…
    Do they qualify…:)))))))

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    PANOSSS…oime…

    Los Angeles is very demanding…hmmm…
    then,come back to Grecia,
    where the wine is red
    and the people are hot…
    hmmm…I am lying..:(((

    LOVE TO ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL…wake up people

  202. Well we’ve got to be very grateful for this site…very special. Somehow i find it difficult to imagine Cormack McCarthy or Stephen King or any other top writer creating a site for the next generation! Can you imagine such a thing…?!?!

  203. Civi… Sorry but I’ll take 405 traffic anytime over grecolandia ..
    405 is hectic but grecia???? Painful..
    I can’t stomach grecia.. That’s Nachtwey territory ..
    Not mine.. I’m definitely more of a Rio guy..
    Plus I missed the beautiful innocent LA swinger parties…:)
    Viva Venice Beach

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    PAUL…how is the weather in Spain…
    When is your carnaval time…?
    here in Greece …the party started…
    but it’s feels weird…
    my fellow Grecocivilians are looking …freezed…

    BUT you are right…”WE’VE GOT TO BE GRATEFUL …” …
    BURN is the place to be…

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    PANOS…oime…sad,sad,sad stories…
    we Greeks got to do it…I don’t know what…
    BUT we need REVOLUTION…now…

    well,I don’t know about Rio…BUT I am Venice civilian for sure…
    viva Italy…!!!

  206. Well my wife says it is cold here…i can’t give my opinon i generally do’t suffer with the cold. Sunday we had 7 degrees celcius with a lot of rain. My kids dressed up for carnival last Friday.

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    hmmm…I guess, we are talking about Venice…Venich Beach in California…:)))

    that’s what happens…when I don’t eat olive oil for 4 days…I can’t focus.

    IMANTS…doi knia
    Krumikrap

  208. Rebels in Libya Win Battle but Fail to Loosen Qaddafi’s Grip
    By KAREEM FAHIM and ROBERT F. WORTH
    From the feeble cover of sand dunes, assaulted by a warplane and artillery from a hill, rebels repelled an attack by Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s fighters.

  209. Qaddafis Fought Over Business, Cables Show
    By JAMES RISEN
    American diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks describe how two sons of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi fought, brutally, for control of a local Coca-Cola bottling company.

    NYTimes today

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    7C…yeap…it’s cold for me…
    your wife is definitely Med…
    I can’t stand cold( FROSTFROG VIVA)…as I said here before…I always follow the sun…

    Carnival here in Greece all week long…12 degrees in my place
    but no big parties…the times are changing…this year I can feel it…
    my civilians are not in the mood…

  211. Steve Jobs Returns to Introduce a New iPad
    By MIGUEL HELFT
    Apple’s chief executive interrupted a medical leave to introduce the much-anticipated new tablet.

    NYTimes today

  212. QUOTATION OF THE DAY

    “You feel punched in the stomach.”
    ERIN PARKER, a high school science teacher in Madison, Wis., on verbal jabs against teachers.

    NYTimes today

  213. ON THIS DAY
    On March 3, 1991, in a case that sparked a national outcry, motorist Rodney King was severely beaten by Los Angeles police officers in a scene captured on amateur video.
    • See This Front Page NYT

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    ADMNIN,

    can we say F**ck…3 times in the same page…?

    P.S …I have no problem but I don’t speak English either…:)))

  215. And big fuck u to the Feds that are trying to close our medical marijuana dispensaries in Venice..
    “we” citizens of California voted and decided..
    State Law let u carry up to a pound of mary Jane in your car but the Feds disagree..
    Fuck’em
    Defend venice, defend gay rights, defend the immigrants and FUCK ARIZONA..
    and Arizona Hitler law that give the authority to any brainless cop to ask a Hispanic looking immigrant for green card..etc.. This is a violation..
    Arizona , America wake up.. “they” are slowly taking our rights away…

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    PANOS…tell it like it is…I would love to second everything
    BUT
    ADMIN says…not to use the F**ck word….hmmm:(

    REVOLUTION,EVOLUTION…BURN the Universe down !!!

  217. a civilian-mass audience

    So photographers what do you think…?

    hmmm…how DAH can do this…so hard to find inspiring questions …for years and years…
    geez…he is like Asterix and Ovelix…he might have the magic potion…
    oime…

    VIVA GAULS…VIVA BURNIANS!!!

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    “Bulls make money and bears make money, but pigs seldom do”
    Proverb

  219. O.k. DAH is away so we mice can play: so here’s my question to you all. In the vein of Panos’ argument that civil liberties are being eroded (in his case by the Feds) where do you stand with this scenario that happened to me last week.
    We had a foggy evening so I drove down to a local senior school that has open air sports courts that are floodlit in the winter months. I didn’t know if they would be in use or if the players would be male, female, child or adult: it turned out that it was male junior football (soccer) practice. I took a few overview photographs from the car park but when I moved up to the court fence I was told that I couldn’t take photographs of the players, that no-one could take photographs – not even a parent unless every parent agreed.
    “The world has gone mad” I said, “They’re just kids playing football”. The irony is that the boys would have been rendered as b&w silhouettes against the fog and floodlight. They would have been foreground interest.
    I came away understanding the concerns of the parents but feeling sad for the children who had to play in a floodlit pen protected by their parents. When I was a kid we used to play on a field with coats for goalposts and only go home when we could no-longer see the ball.

    Mike.

  220. Mike…
    It´s absolutely mad the whole idea. However sometimes I´ve got a feeling it´s even worse over here in Spain.
    I´ve just signed a note giving permission to allow a university student to take a couple of images of my son and his classmates. This girl who´s been the whole winter´s term in the school classroom helping out the official teacher and learning what it really means to be with twenty five little five year old kids as part of her degree. These images will be presented in her university report/essay/thesis for the end of year evaluation. I find it little pathetic to sign this note if I have been already trusting her for the last five months without any problem. Anyway it´s only a couple of bloody photos, she isn´t asking to take images without her clothes on!!

  221. Michael Kircher…
    The other day you quite correctly chose William Albert Allard and DAH as the Hemingways of the world of photography.
    Which photographer would you choose who has a similar style to John Steinbeck narrative? Obviously in could never be HCB to distant and removed from his subjects…

    “Steinbeck’s decriptions are rich and detailed and he utilizes adjectives that give a description to everything. The dialect between characters draws a picture of how the characters speak instead of just what they say. All in all, Steinbeck’s greatest utensil in his writings is the diction. A real empathy for his characters”

    Bruce Davidson or perhaps Eugene Richards?

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    MIKER,

    REF: your question.

    When I was kid(long time ago)I was playing football(soccer) and like you I have the same memories…
    and
    here in Grecolandia nothing have changed…so come over…:)))
    no pictures of civi though…your camera will burst into flames

    PAUL…yes…Blissful thinking!!!

  223. Mike.. it’s the same over here.. I was taking pictures at a fencing tournament, of an athlete interacting with schoolchildren been brought there for showing them what this fencing stuff was all about.. and the teachers insisted I take no pictures.. I took them anyway, they were at a public event, and I know parents here sign a paper at the beginning of every school year that they allow for kids doing this kind of activity..

    I don’t know about the UK, but over here if more than 5 (I think) people are in a picture nobody can argue.. and you can always take the picture, the problem might be showing it.. it’s nuts in any case..

  224. Civi, yes, childhood memories. When we were bored as kids someone would suggest knocking on Old Man Johnson’s door (knock-a-door-run). The usual response would be “F**k off, not him”! After some teasing someone would knock on his door and out he’d come, with a stick, shouting something like “You little bastards, just wait till I get my hands on you” …. and off we’d run; and so would he, chasing you all evening until you snuck home in the dark.
    The problem was; next day you would be playing football on the field and suddenly everyone would be running away! You turn around and there he is: Old Man Johnson, and his stick! He would chase you for a week!

    When I was older I realised that he could have just told my Dad (Gravy Jim) and …. end-of: Jim would have told my Mum and she would of given me a slap. Jim was not allowed to hit me because my Mum said that he wasn’t home enough to hit his kids (spent more time in the pub (laughing)).

    I reckon that Old Man Johnson was as bored we were and just enjoyed the chase! You’ve got to love that man Civi.

    Mike.

  225. Eva, I’ve been taking photographs for over 35 years and have only had two objections. Ironically on both occasions the human element was only a small part of the frame.
    Generally, if you are upfront and confident with your actions i.e. obviously comfortable about what you are doing then no-one usually has a problem. I’ve started to carry a few prints in my camera bag as ice-breakers in situations where I might want to approach people for a more formal photograph rather than street shooting.

    Good light, Eva (but you have that, you live in Italy!),

    Mike.

  226. Mike…
    That story about Old Man Johnson could happily sit at the beginning of any classic 20th century novel. Or the whole theme for a story…

  227. Burnians any photography books you loved to buy but are just overpriced?
    Mine would have to be Brooklyn Gang – Bruce Davidson and maybe Mala Noche – Antoine D´Agata…

  228. you all are trying to match writers with photographers…interesting…but i can tell you i am only sorry Hunter S. is gone…need him now, even though wrong continent for him but he coulda adjusted….for my upcoming RIO….any second choices on this one ? hmmm..cannot think of any….

  229. In this age David you need a international orientated writer not a American centric provincial writer like Hunter S ……….

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    oups…who said the mice can play…the cat is never away…:)))

    MIKER…damnit you and your stories…Gravy JIM and Old Man Johnson…
    yeap,I will second PAUL …and third and fourth…
    and yes…EVA has the best light…Viva Italy!
    BUT
    you are all in the wrong place…
    come over in the land of the Free and the desperate…oime…
    No permission needed:)

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    IMANTS…yeap…with HUNTER…
    we will all be Cursed…the Curse of Lono…hmmm…
    someone has to reconsider…:)))

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    MARCCCCCCCCC…I was looking for you…

    Thanks for coming back…we missed you!

  233. Place any writer worth his/her salt in any situation, he/she can produce. No sweat. So HST in Rio with Harvey? Yeah, that would work!

    Paul… That’s a tough one. But yes, I could picture Davidson and Richards in that case. Perhaps Dennis Stock?

  234. civi…still here but photo stuff has taken a back seat.

    been a tough few months. my wife sylvia, passed away in october and life as a widower with 2 young daughters has been an adjustment to say the least.

    haven’t been able to photograph yet but started making sculptures with existing photos of sylvia, which has been healing.

  235. Ok, Civi, let me rectify: would you all please STOP to talk about picture and photo books???

    Thanks, much appreciated.. ;)

    Marc, thanks for that link, great!

  236. Civil liberties are being eroded because governments in affluent countries like ours know that acquiring wealth and feeding a family are more important issues to the population. They also know that the constituents are quite content to sit on the fence when it comes to their civil liberties.
    Most of us do nothing……. we are not members of a political party, therefore leaving our voice and the decision making to the few that are involved at a party level. Twenty years ago my local party branch had 700 odd active members now there are less than 30, despite the party being the current one in government. Few have joined another party as I have, most are old members and even fewer bother to turn up.
    We may occasionally join a half hearted protest march, we write stuff on the net complain and never act upon it. We leave it to the old hardened campaigners and the wide eyed bushy tailed young to do our protesting for us.

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    MARC…

    come over in Grecolandia…I make wine…you make sculptures…
    But you have to feed the chickens…
    otherwise I am gonna tell Sylvia…I have lots of friends up there…

    Well…the circle of life…be strong…we are here…!

  238. Imants…
    And sadly to many the Sunday football match is of much more vital issue than “boring” concepts like civil liberties.

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    EVA…can I call you the moving Bookstore…
    (to be perceived as a compliment)

    IMANTS…you really can write…BRAVOIMANTS!!!

  240. Michael Kircher…

    I am not up on Dennis Stock I know a little of his work and of course the classic James Dean image. I´ve always thought he was one of those kind of underrated photographers. But you´ve picked my curiosity so I am going to search out a little more!

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    PAUL,

    REF:your question

    I will go with LARRY TOWELL…but what do I know…
    I am just a civilian with restricted liberties…

    ok,enough said…Goodnight from beautiful Grecolandia
    the land of the free and the desperate…:)
    I love you ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  242. Civi, you can.. I’ll move around two countries something like.. no, I better not say how many.. books tomorrow on my way home.. and been only to two galleries/exhibits so far, Paolo Pellegrin’s tomorrow..

    In the meantime, Magnum Foundation has a new website (new to me at least):

    http://www.magnumfoundation.org/index.html

    BUT they got the EPF wrong, it’s RICHER!!

  243. Civil Liberties is a subject on sites like this one and people seem to feel strongly about it…….. unfortunately few go beyond and take up the issues in real life. Taking photos under the guise of “journalism” of infringements of civil liberties is no longer enough, one has to enact upon on a local level. The wwwdot world is full of stuff but few bother with it.

  244. Imants…
    Here in Spain most people I know are totally disenchanted with politicians in general. They have stop believing in them and it is with both right and left wing.

  245. But they vote for them and don’t change aspects on the domestic and party floor level. Basically they got what they deserved by failing to be involved with the running of their country, leaving those difficult decisions to others.

  246. Day to day civil liberties/rights are very much a non issues in affluent western countries on sites like facebook. Sure there are howls and wails about Egypt, Congo, Libya etc but the home everyday living front is about what’s in it for me. That’s the way we as affluent societies evidently must like it

  247. And I know it sounds amazing but the majority I know personally work/friendships are admitting they have no intention of even turning up to vote. Funny considering they lived 40 years under dictatorship…

  248. Maybe they need to work harder, take less, be involved and get their country back on its feet so the the less fortunate also get something

  249. Talking about Libya I found it interesting that in a Spanish national paper 55% of those asked were in favour of the USA taking military action in the crisis. USA regularly gets criticized for the way it handles most international affairs especially military wise. However when the shit hits the fan we always turn to the same country to make the big tough ugly sacrifices.

  250. The whole concept of working hard is seen as making a quick buck instead of working hard just to establish a solid businesses for future generations. Its all a concept of now, right now. This only causes a very false economy where the younger generations believe money lent by banks is actual personal wealth.

  251. Banks will be run by the young people soon and the will want their money and won’t lend indiscriminately to other young people

  252. But of course I suspect this is the perfect scenario for any goverment…population all up to their eyes in mortgages, tied down to a job just to pay that 30 year dream. No free time to stop, civil liberties being eroded and just in case on the weekends these families do find time we will have them occupied with football and reality shows.

  253. They are a smart lot that younger generation what concerns me is the baby boomer set who feel that they have a right to everything that is good and others should bow to their needs

  254. and the middle class is starting to slowly dissapear and we may end up with just the very poor and the very rich. But the middle class is needed to make the economy spin in any country, they are the real consumers.

  255. and now it’s time to hand over tonight’s late night show to the one only and sometimes angry but always free Panos. :))
    Goodnight!

  256. Imants; Funny you mentioned banks… A good friend of mine (a farmer) was talking to his bank manager yesterday and was told that their bank was already back to lending (on farms etc) as before the crash. They just ensure their potential losses are covered by the vast majority of “safe” loans (in the current interest rates).

    So in other words; Mr Joe Average the careful spender/borrower subsidises the a-holes….

  257. The poor are the real consumers as they spend on a day to day basis, those bargain shops, food markets etc keep the economies turning over at a steady rate.

    Western governments spend a lot time and energy on retirement issues as that is where the votes are and most politicians are superannuation/retirement benefits conscious. Make voting compulsory (another civil liberty gone) and the the issues shift to other sectors of the comminity

  258. HUNTER S. THOMPSON

    Hells Angels
    See also: Hell’s Angels: The Strange and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs
    In 1965, Carey McWilliams, editor of The Nation, offered Thompson the opportunity to write a story based on his experience with the California-based Hells Angels motorcycle club. After The Nation published the article (May 17, 1965), Thompson received several book offers and spent the next year living and riding with the Hell’s Angels. The relationship broke down when the bikers concluded that Thompson was exploiting them for his personal gain. The gang demanded a share of the profits from his writings and after an argument at a party Thompson ended up with a savage beating, or “stomping” as the Angels referred to it…
    savage beating
    savage beating
    savage beating

  259. Civi:

    “I can’t stand cold( FROSTFROG VIVA)…as I said here before…I always follow the sun…”

    I LOVE the cold – but I hate being cold, if that makes any sense.

    But sometimes, I really want to stand in the sun on a warm beach somewhere, where the water is warm and the ladies don’t wear much, if anything at all.

  260. GONZO- HUNTER S. T.

    Birth of Gonzo
    Main article: Gonzo journalism
    Also in 1970, Thompson wrote an article entitled The Kentucky Derby Is Decadent and Depraved for the short-lived new journalism magazine Scanlan’s Monthly. Although it was not widely read at the time, the article is the first of Thompson’s to use techniques of Gonzo journalism, a style he would later employ in almost every literary endeavor. The manic first-person subjectivity of the story was reportedly the result of sheer desperation; he was facing a looming deadline and started sending the magazine pages ripped out of his notebook. Ralph Steadman, who would later collaborate with Thompson on several projects, contributed expressionist pen-and-ink illustrations.
    The first use of the word Gonzo to describe Thompson’s work is credited to the journalist Bill Cardoso. Cardoso had first met Thompson on a bus full of journalists covering the 1968 New Hampshire primary. In 1970, Cardoso (who, by this time had become the editor of The Boston Globe Sunday Magazine) wrote to Thompson praising the “Kentucky Derby” piece in Scanlan’s Monthly as a breakthrough: “This is it, this is pure Gonzo. If this is a start, keep rolling.” Thompson took to the word right away, and according to illustrator Ralph Steadman said,:

    “Okay, that’s what I do. Gonzo.”

    Thompson’s first published use of the word Gonzo appears in a passage in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream: “Free Enterprise. The American Dream. Horatio Alger gone mad on drugs in Las Vegas. Do it now: pure Gonzo journalism.”

  261. i RECEIVED this email this morning:

    “Dear Friends,

    Due to an unexpected scheduling conflict, the exhibition “Provocation” will now open on Saturday, March 26.

    Artists selected for participation in the show will be notified by Wednesday, March 9 and all work will need to be dropped off at the powerHouse Arena no later than Friday, March 25.

    We are really sorry for any inconvenience this may cause!

    Best,
    the NYPH team”

  262. Death

    Thompson died at his self-described “fortified compound” known as “Owl Farm” in Woody Creek, Colorado, at 5:42 p.m. on February 20, 2005, from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
    Thompson’s son (Juan), daughter-in-law (Jennifer Winkel Thompson) and grandson (Will Thompson) were visiting for the weekend at the time of his suicide. Will and Jennifer were in the adjacent room when they heard the gunshot. Mistaking the shot for the sound of a book falling, they continued with their activities for a few minutes before checking on him. The police report concerning his death stated that in a typewriter in front of Thompson, they found “a piece of paper carrying the date ‘Feb 22 ’05’ and the single word ‘counselor’.”
    They reported to the press that they do not believe his suicide was out of desperation, but was a well-thought out act resulting from Thompson’s many painful and chronic medical conditions. Thompson’s wife, Anita, who was at a gym at the time of her husband’s death, was on the phone with him when he ended his life.
    What family and police describe

    as a suicide note

    was written by Thompson four days before his death, and left for his wife. It was later published by Rolling Stone. Titled “Football Season Is Over”,
    it read:

    “No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun — for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax — This won’t hurt.”

  263. Marc – I have to agree with you there. It was the “hate” part I said “yes..” to.

    Only those who do it get it, and not even them, really, for if they truly got it, they wouldn’t do it.

  264. Rio and literary inspiration? How about Jerzy Kosinski, especially “The Hermit of 69th Street”:

    “Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot.” – Mark Twain, as quoted in above.

    His “Passion Play” or “Being There” would work too.

  265. “Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits–a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.” HST

    Magnificent.

  266. a civilian-mass audience

    I shoot freestyle too…foxes and weasels…sexy?hmmm…

    FROSTFROG…
    come south…don’t forget the cat you have promised and bring some of the high blood pressure pills…
    you never know when a strike will hit in Grecolandia…you always have to be prepared…

    PAUL…I will go with MICHAELK…DENNIS STOCK…!

    We are “cursed” now…we are BURNIANS!!!

  267. Yes it´s FRIDAY!!!!!

    I love Fridays I´m sure it´s got something to do with…

    “If you must have motivation, think of your paycheck on Friday.”
    Noel Coward

    “Youth is like a long weekend on Friday night. Middle age is like a long weekend on Monday afternoon.” Richard Nelson Bolles

    “Only Robinson Crusoe had everything done by Friday.”

    “Weekends don’t count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless.” Bill Watterson

    “There aren’t enough days in the weekend.” Rod Schmidt

    “A weekend wasted isn’t a wasted weekend.”

    “Middle age is when you’re sitting at home on a Saturday night and the telephone rings and you hope it isn’t for you.” Ogden Nash

    “Living up to ideals is like doing everyday work with your Sunday clothes on.” Ed Howe

  268. a civilian-mass audience

    “Born on Monday, Fair in face; Born on Tuesday, Full of God’s grace; Born on Wednesday, Sour and sad; Born on Thursday, Merry and glad; Born on Friday, Worthily given; Born on Saturday, Work hard for your living; Born on Sunday, You will never know wa”

    hmmm…don’t think so…:)))

  269. OK we now know David would love to have Hunter S with him on his trip to Rio. However who would be the perfect writer to accompany David on his American Family essay?
    Do we choose the obvious suspects…?
    James Agee, John Steinbeck…
    Or someone else?

  270. “Middle age is when you’re sitting at home on a Saturday night and the telephone rings and you hope it isn’t for you.” Ogden Nash

    I was born middle age then!

  271. Frostfrog/Panos
    Our big brown tabby is back from the pet hospital with a $1500 plus bill. May have to postpone the Fuji X100 purchase.

    ‘Hate it, get it’
    While I do love my life, and hate it when someone commits suicide, I do get it too. Release.

  272. Gordon…
    Yes kids and animals always come first in life…ALWAYS.
    Without us they are defenceless…

    A happy arrangement: many people prefer cats to other people, and many cats prefer people to other cats.
    Mason Cooley

    As anyone who has ever been around a cat for any length of time well knows, cats have enormous patience with the limitations of the human kind.
    Cleveland Amory

    Cats know how to obtain food without labor, shelter without confinement, and love without penalties.
    W. L. George

  273. Question…
    Can i develop Tri-x in D76 if I have rated it at 800iso? If so, 20% extra time in the developer enough? I’ve also got HC110…

  274. Mike R
    Thanks, i didn’t go there as I tried a couple of months ago shooting T-max 400 also at 800 and it looked awful. Anyway T-max has little in common with Tri-x so I will start at your link.
    Hmmm i’ve also got Hp5 in my bag!

  275. Paul. the question is..what is your intent in doing a one stop push?
    do you need it because of lighting?
    did you set the camera/meter wrong?
    are you just push curious?
    I mean, a one stop push will hardly affect the tonality of tri x at all. A one stop pull would do more.
    How you develop it, and what you develop it in, are more likely to give you tonal/grain variations.
    d76 is good for tri x 1:1 standard agitation for that ‘classic’ PJ look.
    HP5 also looks great in D76 1:1 (my current ‘standard’ film/dev combo)

  276. Paul, John G is the b&w Master around here.

    Gordon, hope Apollo gets well soon. As you say, a handsome greek boy – what’s not to love!

    I am owned by two cats and I have to go for a walk every evening with them (really, it’s a cat thing). One evening I was stood on the corner with them, looking like a burglar, when I heard a neighbour calling his cat. He had let his young son (who was a fan of King Arthur and the knights of the Round Table) name the cat. There he was, shouting Lancelot! Lancelot! At least it wasn’t Guinevere.

    I am reliably informed that some of my neighbours call me the Cat Whisperer – amongst other things (laughing).

    Mike.

  277. Paul.. Kodak doesn’t differntiate between 400 and 800, times are the same.. I do not agree with them, at 800 i do 12 minutes (or 12.30, depending on exposure, light situation, what you want to achieve), instead of 9.45, that’s D-76 1+1 (not full strenght), at 20°C…

  278. Those who can, go and see Paolo Pellegrin’s exhibition ‘DIES IRAE’, until May, 15th in Milan, but I’m sure it will be shown elsewhere too..

    I don’t know how a photographer can go back and back and back again to take the pictures he does.. I am sure he will, or is already, paying a toll.. insane what we human beings do to one another, as if what nature does wouldn’t be enough…

    http://www.formafoto.it/_com/asp/page.asp?g=m&s=c&l=ing&id_pag={BED30582-E80B-4806-AE6E-82DDD8EF388D}

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    GORDON…
    Apollonas…was god of the sun,poetry,arts,prophesy…and a god of healing…
    he was the most handsome…like your Apollo
    may the spirits of health be with him…tell him…I am sending Greek energy …he will feel it…
    he is Greek afterall…!

    “A cat has absolute emotional honesty: human beings, for one reason or another, may hide their feelings, but a cat does not.”
    Ernest Hemingway
    I wonder what Simone is doing…?

    BURN is the place to be…we even have a Cat Whisperer…oime…:))))))))
    What not to lOVE!

  280. a civilian-mass audience

    Is this PAOLO, our BURNING boy…
    the one that we are waiting to drink wine and check his pictures…hmmm..
    EVA…you are everywhere…BRAVOEVA!!!

  281. John…
    I am doing it for three reasons two of which you’ve pointed out….
    Yes lighting…also push curious haven’t done it since college. And finally and perhaps in some ways the most important reason… i have always had problems with the 35mm aesthetic. I must admit for many years I have had a strong disdain for that 35mm grainy look. Probably too many years making 8×10 contact prints. So i want to get rid of that stupidity, so I am going to jump in the deep end, I am convinced i will grow to love and feel at ease with it.
    When you refer to pull i assume you mean just extending developing time without altering the iso.
    Is Jacob Sobol’s Sabine pushed or pulled because I wouldn’t mind achieving that ‘look’.

  282. Thanks Eva…
    A friend of mine shot two rolls at an ilegal boxing match over here. He followed Kodak times and so did I with something less important. It all turned out crap…

  283. Eva

    Would you email me? I have no idea how to contact you…

    I am at: erica [at] ericamcdonaldphoto [dot] com

    thanks!

  284. 8 hours solid, outdoors in sideways rain and gale-force today…
    blistering rain which the wind chill turned to sharp ice on occasion…
    the best thor could provide…
    leaning into the wind with eyes pressed tight and a screaming laugh emanating..
    life does not get better.

    took 0 photos
    :o)

  285. then a warm sun.. orange as it is..

    every day now the light is lasting 5 mins longer..

    hardly done any photo work the past couple of weeks as life has taken over.

    yes.

    yes.

  286. picking up my camera tomorrow..
    then an evening of scanning, which life has become of late.

    utterly invigorated, if utterly exhausted.

    changes are afoot…
    yes.

    harvey – hunter T was a lightweight..
    the man who raised-the-bar became the base for some kind of reality.
    i know some excellent european writers who can hold-their-own.. twist and expand.. extrapolate and conclude.. and do it all “altered”..

    ?!

  287. DAH-

    Still looking for a digi assistant? My Brazil visa is fresh, valid and just lightly used. My Portuguese is horrendous, but I’ve got a place to stay in Lagoa and a flexible schedule.

  288. a civilian-mass audience

    Come on PANOS…you speak Portuguese too…
    you might be young BUT as a kid I bet you have learned the basics…:

    Pele,Ronaldo,Garrincha,Ronaldino,Leonidas de Silva,Kaka,Cafu,Roberto,Rivaldo…Socrates,Oscar,
    Falcao,…Zico!!!

    GOLOOOOOOOOOOOO …!!!

  289. CIVI.. yes, that’s the same Paolo.. wouldn’t be surprised if he was in Lybia now..

    PAUL.. pushing to 800 is not really it, it’s tame.. and when you see Pellegrin’s prints on the wall, I assure you, you won’t be distracted by anything.. impressive work..

    PANOS, my pleasure, shhhhhhhhhhhh.. ;)

    ERICA.. email sent..

  290. a civilian-mass audience

    I have a question…”Monkey do” aisle…by MICHELLE…

    Do I see painted nails…or no? cause it reminds me of someone…hmmm…
    from the book of face area…I scratch my …head…I squeeze my leftover brain cells…
    hmmm…

  291. a civilian-mass audience

    yeap…you see…you speak Portuguese…

    goodnight and goodmorning My BURNIANS!!!

  292. and the BEST song of all Times:

    “There must be some way out of here” said the joker to the thief
    “There’s too much confusion”, I can’t get no relief
    Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth
    None of them along the line know what any of it is worth.

    “No reason to get excited”, the thief he kindly spoke
    “There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke

    But you and I, we’ve been through that, and this is not our fate
    So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late”.

    All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
    While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

    Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
    Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

  293. hey ALL

    BURN is now iPhone/iPad compatible… enjoy

    you might need to refresh/empty your cache on your mobile device to see it working

    Still ironing out many glitches, and manually retroactively updating every single essay that has ever been published here on BURN… but we’re getting there…

    The red fullscreen button got lost in the process, but working hard to bring it back!!

    patience, and we’ll get there….

    hugs to all…

    anton

  294. ANTON!!

    Argh.. you just destroyed one of my two reasons for not buying an iPad.. thank you ;)

  295. Panos…

    Even Bob Dylan said he preferred Hendrix´s version!
    Here is Hendrix playing another Bob Dylan classic…

  296. Anton…

    The update seems only compatible with iPhone and iPad.
    But no worries, still best place round the world!!

  297. ANTON….HAIK

    many many thanks for helping to make Burn iPad compatible…you guys both put so much work into Burn…a deep deep bow of appreciation from me amigos…..

    i think i will buy version 2 coming up…pictures do look so totally translucent and something like an 8×10 transparency sitting on a light table…just amazing…this does not take away my love of print, but will i think totally change books as we know them…not eliminate paper books…but if you can buy an iPad book for say $5. it will exponentially increase the potential audience for a book…i will defintily build a RIO iPad book with sound , music, video and a portfolio as per usual of simply from the gut imagery as well as a magazine style slick paper book..Rio lends itself to this sort of presentation, so we will see how it goes…

    Anton on design? right? smiling….

    ok, gotta run…as usual no sleep, but this time around i am shooting mostly the edges …not the main action….rich immersion…the stuff i write about on Burn and teach all the time…but right now smack in the middle of my element…this is it….just the best…rolling rolling….

    cheers, david

  298. a civilian-mass audience

    MY apologies…but I was wrong when I posted this…

    CAUSE…Everyday should be a BURN APPRECIATION DAY…

  299. a civilian-mass audience

    oups …This…
    a civilian-mass audience
    March 1, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    Today…1st of MARCH …I was thinking to make it…( a suggestion)
    BURN CREW APPRECIATION DAY!!!
    ANTON,KERRY,MIKEC,ANNA-MARIE,HAIK…
    I need more names…my memory is getting weak…but all of you(u know your names)…behind the tent…
    WE LOVE YOU and THANK YOU !!!
    “We tend to forget that happiness doesn’t come as a result of getting something we don’t have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have.”
    you may not have a Leica M9 or M10…or a trendy lens…
    you may not have THE “pics” of the year
    you may not won any awards…
    BUT
    you have…( I am not gonna make it easy for you)
    BUT
    each one of you…I repeat,YOU HAVE what you have that you know that you Have…
    P.S Now,we have to figure out …the Appreciation day for MR.DAVID ALAN HARVEY…

  300. a civilian-mass audience

    BURN CREW…WE LOVE YOU ALLLLLLL

    anton
    March 5, 2011 at 5:06 am
    hey ALL
    BURN is now iPhone/iPad compatible… enjoy
    you might need to refresh/empty your cache on your mobile device to see it working
    Still ironing out many glitches, and manually retroactively updating every single essay that has ever been published here on BURN… but we’re getting there…
    The red fullscreen button got lost in the process, but working hard to bring it back!!
    patience, and we’ll get there….
    hugs to all…
    anton

  301. a civilian-mass audience

    EVOLUTION…REVOLUTION…come on …the Universe is really working…

    ANTON…HAIK…all of you…Thank you from my civilian heart…
    “…Still ironing out many glitches, and MANUALLY retroactively updating every single essay that has ever been published here on BURN… but we’re getting there…”

    oime…manually every single essay…
    damnit…damnit to the Greek goverment and to all the goverments out there who play games…
    and brought civilians …down to the last cent…
    But the revolution will come…and then I will donate not 5euros BUT the whole nine yards…as you English
    people say…

    VIVA…thank you…What not to dam LOVE !!!:)))

  302. a civilian-mass audience

    By the way…

    mark this day…cause today…we have “history”…

    MR.HARVEY …thank you.
    NNTR

  303. I ordered on Thursday night Sergei Pinkhassov´s Sightwalk which David recommended. As I didn´t really know what I had bought I was a little curious to see what the book was about. So I googled his name this afternoon and I found this interesting and probably rare discussion on of all places Photonet!!

    http://photo.net/street-documentary-photography-forum/0084Dm

    Thought I should share it as usual. I have not finished reading the discussion I have only skimmed over it as I am off with two 35mm cameras a load of slide film and a couple of rolls of Hp5 to shoot the local carnival!

  304. PAUL

    one of the most interesting aspects of Sightwalk is how it came about..came from fear of leaving the hotel…Pinkhassov freaked by the enormity of Tokyo….unable to leave his hotel….did not leave his hotel…shot the 25 pictures that are Sightwalk from his hotel…lobby, from his room window etc

  305. Fascinating about Pinkhassov (whose photos I admire) and his inability to leave the hotel in a large and yet very benign city (Tokyo is not, say, Johannesburg) and yet becoming a Magnum photographer. There’s hope for us all! Will have to check out Sightwalk….

  306. Pinkhassov is one of my, bar none, favorite of the older Magnum photographers…funny story: he is the one (after HCB) who educated me about Magnum…knew nothing about Magnum, didn’t care at all, when i first started shooting ‘seriously’, or believing that photography would replace my desire for painting/making movies….and i discovered the year i began, 1999….i’d always been defined and inspired by Tarkovsky, and one weekend, i stumbled upon Sightwalk….it reminded me so much of poetry, zen…and then when i found out he’d worked with tarkovsky when younger, i was hooked….for me Sightwalk is one of the great late 20th century photobooks….i put it next to Goodbye PHotography, Ravens, Eggleston’s guide, Americans, Giacomelli’s oevre and Unfinished Disertation as one of the most important photobooks in my life…i’ve owned and given away 4 copies of the book…

    more like a great film by my hero Chris Marker, than a photobook….Sightwalk remains like an electric cut to my head and heart, forever…

  307. David…
    I can’t wait for Pinkhassov’s book to arrive! The whole concept of not leaving the hotel is fascinating and actually marvelous considering I’m on crutches and having huge problems trying to express myself with my camera.
    THANK YOU!

  308. Having the time of my life!! It sure ain’t Rio but it’s a carnival. Laughing I sure miss my M6 this 1dsII sticks out like a sore thumb! :))))

  309. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL,
    carnival in my place too…Carnival everywhere…yeap,not like Rio…:)

    and don’t expect any photos…I carry only the essentials…a stick and a bottle:)))

  310. a civilian-mass audience

    MR.PINKHASSOV if you hear me…

    come over…”we will be treat you right”…Viva!!!

  311. a civilian-mass audience

    “we will be treated right…or we will treat you right”

    I will be back…when the sun comes out

  312. Speechless
    Speechless
    Speechless
    Speechless

    My iPhone agreed with anything Anton said above…
    No question asked:)
    History indeed… Now I can watch the whole essay while stuck on PCH traffic… Priceless:)

  313. & JESUS,
    I hope u remember me when you become a king..!
    (and I hope I’ll visit the bathroom at the “usual” time coz I consumed lots of protein last night…:)
    biggest hug y’all

  314. CHARLES

    well i am sure you know that becoming a Magnum photographer has nothing to do with becoming/or not becoming a “professional” photographer…you just have to be a photographer…period

  315. Paul :))

    THANKS…it is done….i’m now writing the text…and actually adding new pictures (what is new)…i promised to send David it by end of March…i changed the entire thing after being in russia and beginning work on the 3rd chapter of my Russian work….and of course, just came together now, as i’ve been reading Moby-dick…..it all makes sense….

    unlike ‘bones of time’ or ‘oxen of the sun’, i don;’t want to rush this…i want it out there when i feel good…everything i’ve published before over the last 5 years, i usually shoot quick, with limited about of film, preserving my ‘best’ work for the book i’ve been at work on for a while…a kind of waiting…these published things always like exercises to see what i think the book should take….but this essay (‘loomings’) is different….i want it to blow away the readership…and it will upset some, as there are alot of prose-photographs….so, just waiting…the eye thing had a profound effect as did Melville, it made me change the entire thing…

    as for the eye: i feel good, happy, no pain….have accepted the inevitable (it will be lost) but until that day, living in the moment and working my ass off for my family and my writing/pictures…

    running
    hugs
    bob

  316. a civilian-mass audience

    MIKER,

    yeap,we have lived in the kibbutz,in the BURN hotel with open windows…we traveled with the
    beaten up caravan,the BURNing bus …when BURNIANS were flying off the roof…
    we slept in the tent…roadtrips oime…and we keep rolling…and when MR.HARVEY plays his harmonica…
    you my photophilosophers and my silent MASS Audience…we dance and sing like the fauns and the bacchantes
    of Dionysos…oime!!!

    P.S BOBBY…I am waiting for “loomings”…and since I don’t believe in the “inevitable”…
    everyday is a new beginning…but you are HOMER…you already know…!!!

  317. panos.. new york was fun..
    next time we need courvosiers man-who-can ..
    more mess ..
    we need to bring on “the quickening” and raise the dead..
    journey to the end of the night..
    VIVA

    civilian.. Vær så god! du tar magien, vil jeg bringe øl
    OO

  318. “one of the most interesting aspects of Sightwalk is how it came about..came from fear of leaving the hotel…Pinkhassov freaked by the enormity of Tokyo….unable to leave his hotel….did not leave his hotel…shot the 25 pictures that are Sightwalk from his hotel…lobby, from his room window etc”

    I find that the camera is often an excuse to experience different places/people that I normally would feel were too far out of my comfort zone. It’s as though you “hide” behind the camera and take on a new persona…

  319. a civilian-mass audience

    ROSSY…
    hmmm…I feel kinda the same when I put on my reading glasses,hold tight my bottle and log in …
    as a civilian-mass…the problem is when I logg off…I am still the same…:))) or so I think…:)))

    DAVIDB….you speak Norvegian…like VIVEK…hmmm…where is VIVEK,LASSAL,MY KATIEEEEEEEEEE…,LEE
    AUDREY…JIMMY…KATHARINA…and…and…CHARLES…enjoy the Hawaian waves…

    LOVE to ALLL…u have to check the leg(WENDY is right)…workshop extented…oime…!!!

  320. a civilian-mass audience

    ohh…and before I go…to feed the chickens…
    don’t forget that ou BURN CREW…the people behind of the tent…
    They are All Photographers…emerging icons…

    damnit…we are kicking asses…as MICHAELK would say…!

    I will be back…

  321. Oh i’m quite the opposite my character/personality lets me get away with murder. I have no problems getting in close with people. So i have the opposite problem… once i lift the camera to my eye I feel the most defenceless insecure human being on earth. Photography for me has a lot to do with taming doubt.

  322. All..
    Ask yourself how much time you allot each week to fun… pure, unadulterated, nonproductive fun?
    STOP assidously avoiding fun.
    Fun leads to creativity. It leads to rebellion and makes you feel powerful and alive.

  323. I suspect he was refering to those who just go through the motions of life. But don’t really participate. A bit like the civil liberties topic everyone voices an opinion but few actually take steps to prevent it’s errosion.

  324. a civilian-mass audience

    hmmm…yes,this is a strong statement from Socrates…
    we have to examine our past…to stop doing the same mistakes over and over and to find our real purpose
    in life…of course between work ,kids,workshops,chickens,families,weird bosses…we have no time
    for inner examination…
    that’s what Socrates was talking about…the dialogue with ourselves…IMO…

    Ok…time for fun…we can examine later…PARTYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

  325. a civilian-mass audience

    workshop plus,extented,prolonged…
    spread out…unfolded…
    and the PARTY goes on…
    Circle of Life, Circle of friends…
    as long as we BURN…
    we have it All!

  326. a civilian-mass audience

    “… Saving the hot sexy totally outrageous ones for later. Make sense? Stay tuned.
    -dah-”

    No comment…I can wait:)))

  327. DAH,

    Yes, of course I know that. Being somewhat cheeky (with tongue). I will be ordering Sightwalk and looking forward to it hopefully inspiring me. But there does seem a spirit to Magnum that includes getting oneself out the door…:)

    But I know that feeling of not wanting to leave the hotel (and just getting in a cab and going back to the airport and home). Exhausted from the flight, not knowing the language, everyone seemingly having a purpose except for you (except to make some “interesting” photos), etc, etc. Can be overwhelming…..

    Anyway, one of the better pieces of advice a friend has given me (it was given to him by his father) was that when one doesn’t know where to start, just start anywhere, and that is most often just where you are at, in the present moment. So I guess in Mr Pinkhassov’s case it was the hotel room. Great stuff….

  328. DAH,

    expectations for your new photos at this time will be very high:))… always been… Cheers

  329. Charles Petersen…
    You really have a brilliant website bursting to the seams with amazing images!

    If the demand to be original still troubles you, remember this: each of us is our own country, an interesting place to visit. It is the accurate mapping out of our own creative interests that invites the term ORIGINAL. We are the origin of our art, its homeland. Viewed this way, originality is the process of remaining true to ourselves.

    Be willing to paint or write badly while your ego yelps resistance. Your writing may be the syntactical breakdown necessary for a shift in your style. Your lousy painting may be pointing you in a new direction. Art needs time to incubate, to sprawl a little, to be ungainly and misshapen and finally emerge as itself. The ego hates this fact. The ego wants instant gratification and the addictive hit of an acknowledge win.</b

    “The Artist´s Way.” Julia Cameron.

  330. ps, that photo.net discussion is filled with gems :), like this nugget:

    “Among photographers I know, living and dead, Pinkhassov’s stuff is the least freighted with a political agenda or social critique (something else he has in common with Ashbery). This stands in contrast of course with the work of many notable others, whether it be, to name three, Steve McCurry’s vapid vision and witless pandering, Sabastiao Salgado’s running stigmata, or Martin Parr’s relentless compulsion to make the obvious obvious. (Though I do appreciate much of the latter’s work, the point wears a bit thin.)”

    wow

  331. a civilian-mass audience

    Goodmorning my BURNIANS…

    I was checking MR.HARVEY in the face of book area…best photos…he looks amazing in tuxedo…
    and the ladies are BURNING…
    ok,time for coffee…and check my chickens…
    I will be back!

  332. a civilian-mass audience

    tears in my eyes…and you know me…I don’t cry often BUT there is a BURNING kid in the other aisle…
    A kid from broken Grecolandia…oime…
    I told you the Universe is working…
    keep rolling my BURNIANS,keep shooting…if a Greek kid can do it…you Can All do it…

    MR.HARVEY …speechless…thank you…
    damnit …it’s morning but I have to say VIVAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

  333. a civilian-mass audience

    BURN is BURNING…

    two chickens gone…oime…
    I am going out…weasles and foxes…here I come…

    but I’ll be back…

  334. i’ve never suffered from equipmentitis, however – scanning the ads in norway i saw this last night – the advert had been up for one hour..

    “leica camera – uses film. think it’s from the 30’s or 40’s.”
    that’s all it said, so i looked up the serial number and lens from the photos, which showed it as an M3 DS – http://bophoto.co.uk/leica%20m3.htm

    it’s a 1957 body with the fast f1.5 bayonet-fit summarit 5cm lens – hotshoe meter, leather case.. actually a complete kit, all clean, clear and working smooth.
    lens has original leitz filter protecting it from new and from the sounds of it has never even been taken off the body.

    absolutely no way of affording it, despite it being only £450 complete..
    i gave them a call anyway.. beate acted as interpreter & they got on like a house on fire.. bea just “gets-on” with people.

    was an elderly gent who inherited it from his late grandfather many years ago..
    it’s hardly been used – seems his grandfather passed soon after buying it new and the seller has never used it – may need a CLA..
    he assured us it has been in his wardrobe, nice and dry, and that everything functions.. lens is as new.

    thought, “bugger.. no money..”
    hmm.

    astonishingly, the guy took a £100 deposit – the rest when i have it..
    … he’s actually sending it today on the strength of the deposit alone ..
    gotta love people.. gotta love beates warm nature.

    the most charming thing about it?
    at the end of the call, when beate told him i’d love to use it, his reply was:

    “you do know it’s not digital?”

  335. David Bowen, you have been charmed…embrace the synchronicity!

    The M3 is by far the sexiest of cameras; its near silent shutter and .90 viewfinder will make you swoon. Best of luck.

  336. eva – so true.. although i’d love to have some money to be more confident in that notion :o)

    jeff – i used them briefly many years ago .. lovely.. just utterly dulled with digital right now and realized my shooting and editing has changed in a way i am not comfortable with.

    with film, (and a lack of money), shooting choices were far more distinct and focused.. aperture.. shutter.. framing.. much more careful.. better considered..
    with digital i tend to shoot more options, which develops into a nightmare editing.. taking much too long.. much less focused shooting. i still get the results i want, yet rather than shooting a maximum of 4 or 5 frames of a scene, i am shooting sometimes twice that.

    along with the speed of digital processing (which i do not need for my current subject as it’s not for clients) also comes much less thinking time and evolution.. less waiting..

    wholeheartedly looking forward to some rangefinder discipline again :o)

  337. I agree, David. It seems I use film 90% of the time for about 70% of my images. Something not talked about with regard to the resurgence of film is the delayed gratification we get waiting for the film to be developed. It was something all of us old enough to remember the film-only days can relate to; rolls would wait for months sometimes to be viewed. Inevitably there would be a few gems that were totally forgotten about and thus doubly treasured. The approach helps focus one’s objectivity toward the images as well; one of the reasons Winogrand wouldn’t develop his work for years at a time.

    If you need a PC adapter for flash work with the M3, B&H Cameras has them in stock.

  338. a civilian-mass audience

    Film, cameras,hiii…”I never suffered from equipmentitis…”…awesome…!

    What not to love…internet on off…oime…snowing in grecolandia…
    I haven’t seen snow outside my window since 1987…

    What not to Love…My BURNIANS…ouzo and wine and gigantes and kalamaria and xtapodia on me
    today we celebrate…!

    in case I loose connection…remember this…You ALL are Unique and talented…
    I love you ALLLLL…let it snow…my spirits,let it snow!

  339. :o)
    vivek..
    yep..
    apparently i have to shove a meter long strip of animal-fat coated, silver crystal infused plastic in one end and ‘bobs yer uncle’, slices of time come out the other end.

    it’ll never catch on.

  340. a civilian-mass audience

    DB…tell BEATE…she rocks:)
    can she negotiate with the local wine dealer:)
    and
    come on now, I am your civilian…no pictures from my side…
    BUT
    I am waiting DIMAS,TOR CAPA,FELIX…new blood …in the horizon!
    wi-fi …I am in?!

  341. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,back to my aisle…

    we are all in big family afterall…
    again my email is civilianma@yahoo.com…in case anyone else wants some help…to cross over!

    Rock on…pouf all clear…I think!!!

  342. DB, enjoy the Leica! It’s amazing how similar it is to my MP.

    Since I’ve bought the MP the 5d 2 has sat idle. I’m going to sell it and put the money towards another M lens.

    Mike.

  343. a civilian-mass audience

    snowing …where is my spring…
    did I see carnival…
    I better stop the ouzo and the kalamaria…right now…!!!

    I will be back…with feta cheese!

  344. a civilian-mass audience

    TORCAPA…amazing…
    he was born as a BURNIAN…camera on the face…
    I can wait…to see him BURNING!!!

    EVA…always with the rocking links!

  345. saw a tantalizing taste of CHRIS BICKFORDS next essay .. just briefly then it was gone..
    at a guess having that and “greece in reverse” up at once, once the same day, would have split the attention..

    it’s good .. i like his chosen subject matter :o)
    tomorrow.. tomorrow..

  346. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…please you have to be in the book of face area…

    you can’t miss THE pic … MR.HARVEY and the BURNING LADIES in RIO…
    What not to LOVE!!!

  347. CIVI.. sorry.. thank you, but no thanks ;))

    I’m sure I’ll get to see the pic sooner or later..

  348. a civilian-mass audience

    Ok, respect…
    maybe a tech person can copy and paste…
    I am the best on this one…BUT I don’t know about FB links…’

    PARTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY…snow in my window…Grecoland is turning white…
    finally!!!

  349. Civi.. you better get them chicken the snowboots out ;)) .. cold here, freezing, but pale sun’s going down..

  350. Speaking of snow; went out to the mailbox yesterday and saw the first snow of the year on the mountain after our first cold weekend. Autumn has grabbed a foothold…

    Can anyone help me with something please? Does anyone know the name of the singer who was supposedly so anti-social that he only had one chair in his house so visitors could never stay? I’ve just had an idea swirling around in the mind about it… Thanks!

    Eva; You remember me mentioning my friends who have the self-sufficient organic farm? I was at their place a few days ago and they asked me if I would like to shoot an essay of their lifestyle/life.

    I had only mentioned it once a few weeks ago; but they must have been thinking about it ever since. The main reason for them is that it will be a record of their family. Also; it’s quite an important time for them, as in another 2-3 years their two kids will have left home and an era will have ended.

  351. “Speaking of snow; went out to the mailbox yesterday and saw the first snow of the year on the mountain after our first cold weekend. Autumn has grabbed a foothold…”

    Ross, if you’re looking for sympathy, you are not likely to get it from the North American contingent here. Trust me on that one.

  352. Lance Rosenfield just shot a video in my apartment in Rio that we (Chris Bickford, Lance, Tony Skater, and I) are trying to decide if this should be a pay per view offering…we laughed and laughed and figured we could easily charge 99cents just to see what would happen…Lance shot a brilliant 4 minute no cuts docu from a goodbye offering to Tony who had to catch a plane tonight…we could sell this thing, but we won’t of course…up soonest one way or another…classic…oh yes we had had a few caipirinhas during the making of this soon to be classic movie…

    we might just for fun pop in a teaser , just to see IF you would pay 99cents…i mean we are trying to get the net going…just playing…stay tuned

    cheers, david

  353. Ross, you’re most welcome to have the snow – As Akaky has alluded to, we have had our fill of the enjoyable mess but, it’s time to share it with our friends to the south.

    David – I’m Intrigued!

  354. No sympathy needed! :-) Where I live we get snow about once every 3-4 years (on the mountain ring-plain). Our last “snowstorm” started at 6am, finished at 10am, and was melted by 11.30am! :-)

  355. David Bowen: PC adapter is here…

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/95419-REG/General_Brand_Leica_Flash_Adapter.html

    Eva: My friend sent me the “Head On” link Saturday, and it was refreshing to see Gilden in a more introspective mood than I’ve seen in past videos. What was really intriguing was his comment that on the street, “I shoot myself”…and then moments later he comes upon his emotional doppleganger. They ask each other questions, give half-answers, interrupt, and essentially don’t listen to one another at all. Remarkable!

    I’ve often thought what we shoot, and why we shoot it, is somehow autobiographical, at least on a subconscious level. Our need for creativity is a way to bridge the impossibility of understanding ourself. When David tells Vissaria that life seen through a viewfinder is more intense than usual, could it not be, like it is said in “Zen Bow, Zen Arrow”, that what we focus on is ourself – that we become the target?

    “I shoot myself” – what a concept!

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    Goodmorning from white Grecolandia…

    Snow,cold…three baby chickens gone …I couldn’t save them all…
    but at least we have RIO…where is HOT ,HOT,HOT…!!!

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    I WOULD PAY 50cents Euro exchange…yeap…BRING IT ON MR.HARVEY, BRING IT ON…!!!

    oime…I have to find the SKOULIDAS family…
    hmmm…I see the proudest Uncle around…

    Coffee best when is HOT,HOT,HOT…!

  358. we had snow for a couple of days over the weekend..
    now – it’s blowing a gail on our little island in the north sea..
    all boats grounded.. the docks are shut..
    no work, no photos..
    scanning.

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    DAVIDB…scanning?…are u still scanning???…oime…
    BRAVODB…hiii…!!!

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    I am coming back from the world of the facebook…
    oime…
    Lovely stuff…you BURNIANS rock…

    I see HERVE…HERVE come over to this aisle…Your photos AMAZING…!!!
    and
    MR.VINK…http://johnvink.com/news/

    Rock on MY BURNIANS…rock on!!!

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    and HERVE…don’t forget to bring and some pics…
    cause some BURNIANS…are not in the FB area…!

    ” what of the nut”…oime…I have to google this one…:)

  362. Ross… yes, I remember.. time to become a farmer for a while maybe.. immerse yourself.. great :)
    Oh, did you ever get around to develop something?

    Jeff… if we shoot ‘being’ and not ‘appearing’, then yes, after a while, with a solid body of work, I think it’s ourselves in the pictures..

  363. civi – i will be scanning for at least the next month or two..

    a film strip of six photos every 1-2 minuets, for as many hours a day as i can stand.
    80 000 estimated negatives.. 16 ring-binders full..

    cannot edit my first book without seeing everything.. the only wqy to see everything is to do the work.
    virtually braindead
    :o)

    i lost all my negatives from aged 8 till 17 – they rotted in an ex girlfriends basement..
    it must be amazing for the author of “greece in reverse” to be getting the feedback they are now getting.. unbelievable..
    GLADDY will send a camera..
    HARVEY will send a print..
    UNCLE PANOS will no doubt for a blurb book and sell prints .. just amazing..

    vissaria MAY NEVER HAVE TO GET A PROPER JOB>>>> how cool would that be?
    i’m sure this inspiration will soak in over the next month, stay for years and help cement her future, if she wants it.

    burns been great of late.

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    can’t wait for TOR CAPA…the pic with the camera …AWESOME…
    bring him in Grecolandia…I promise …ouzo will be out of the picture:)))))
    and
    we have more FELIX and DIMAS and DARK KIDS and KATIA’S kids …and…and
    BUT
    time to focus on YOU …now…You are ALL here NOWWWWWW…
    VIVA DB!!!

    I smell carnaval…and you know me…PARTYYYYYYYYY…!!!

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    BURN is BURNING…

    we have RIO,Monkeys,Greeks,,Iraq, Cairo…New Orleans…
    I can go on forever…like the BURN CREW…manually…each essay…

    WHAT NOT TO LOVE…!!!

    P.S …can I sing now…???

  366. David Bowen…
    Just in case have you ever tried VueScan? A very good program for all scanners unless you are using something like a Hasselblad scanner (can’t remember the old name). Program scans much faster and a lot more flexibility than standard programs. My minolta 5400 is so much faster with Vuescan.

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    oh,yeah and PAUL’S kids…PAUL get the kids camera ready…:)))

    I see talent…everywhere!!!

  368. hi paul – yes.. i had a play with the software..
    it’s going okay as it is.. i’m not using ICE or any whistles n bells.. just 100% scans at 600dpi to get photos on screen big enough to edit from… digital contacts.
    12 photos every 2 minuets (2 strips of 6 on a V600) is working great – any faster and i would not have time to line up the next two strips..

    when it gets going, it’s like i am a machine..
    yeahman.. “super scanning man-machine”..
    the workflow is tedious, yet finishing a thick ringbinder of files is satisfying.

  369. Well I´m sort of here!! Thought I would be at home all day! But I´ve been doing more tests on foot. Anyway I´ve been shooting a little between test here and there… see if kids and lunch let me work on these images a little…

    David Bowen…
    I also use my flatbed for digital contacts…only thing is I lost the negative holder so it is a little slower! Always hated doing contact sheets in the darkroom.

  370. Eva…
    multitasking cooking lunch, watching kids, watching Burn, watching Bridge download 250 images, hanging clothes on the washing line and….

    Borrowed from the local library Pep Bonet´s “Somalia Invisible Trace” and “Quadern de Bitacola” this one is written in Catalan!! This in English would probably be “Log Book”… seems like a kind of diary probably be interesting… I will need my wife´s help here!!

  371. Paul… looking into my veggie soup pot.. looks too green.. must find white beans and chickpeas.. trying NOT to listen to the news.. have nothing by Pep Bonet… uhmmmmmmmmm…

  372. Eva…
    Just ordered Bruce Davidson´s “Outside Inside”!!!!
    I promise to cross my heart and hope to die like a good rock star I won´t buy anymore books this month!
    Eva at a good price and new! SMILING no I´m GRINNING :))))))))))))))

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    International Women’s Day and a Fat Tuesday…hmmm…
    looks like …a consipacy …
    hmm…I don’t know…I am just a messenger…!!!

    Therefore, VIVA to ALLLLLLLL!!!

    P.S EVA,PAUL…any leftovers?:)

  374. Paul.. watch the calendar when you make those promises.. month has just begun ;)

    Catalan might be easier to understand for me than Spanish, from what I’ve picked up on a quick search online.. hmmmmmmmmmm…

  375. The link – I need the link!

    (Lance Rosenfield just shot a video in my apartment in Rio that we (Chris Bickford, Lance, Tony Skater, and I)…)

    Come on DAH – you boys can’t keep all the fun for yourselves, throw a gal a bone while she toils away at the desk :)

  376. Paul.. crutches or not.. I’m on your side.. Once again wishing you the best..
    Good morning from sun shiny Santa Monica..
    The birth place of Vissaria and Michael Jackson’s last nose..
    What’s not to love:)

  377. Eva; I was brought up on a farm, and still live in the country on 3-acres I subdivided off my Dad’s dairy farm. Waiting for my first ever heritage apples to ripen; another two weeks unless the possums get their first! :-)

    I haven’t started processing yet; I had to buy a sound recorder and it knocked the funds around a bit!

    Paul; If I remember right you’re a fellow Annie Dillard lover? Picked up a copy of her autobiography in an auction; can’t wait to start it. Yes I know; I wasn’t going to buy any more books, but I couldn’t turn it down for $7! :-)

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    EVA, VIVA ITALY…
    hmmm…I see food…lot’s of food …I hope you are taking pics for your essay!!!

    PAUL…check your blog…I love the photo with the hearts and your kid…and…and…:)))

    “… I was brought up on a farm…”
    ROOSY…you are all organic…!

  379. “No sympathy needed! :-) Where I live we get snow about once every 3-4 years (on the mountain ring-plain). Our last “snowstorm” started at 6am, finished at 10am, and was melted by 11.30am! :-)”

    Ross, you realize that we hate you now, don’t you? Our first snowstorm was on December 26th and some of the goddamn stuff is still on my front lawn, where it now shares pride of place with many, many large piles of goose crap.

    DavidB, you lucked out big time there, guy; an M3, one of the gadgetiest gadgets that ever gadgeted, for only $727? Not going to happen anytime in my life time, of that I’m sure.

  380. Vivek…
    Well the cat image was for the Burn cat lovers :)

    Civi…
    The hearts are for all the magic DAH and all the Burn crew create everyday round here and of course all the magic the Burn members also bring along!

  381. Paul; No I haven’t checked it out yet. I’m not on broadband til the weekend, so have a lot of catching up to do!

    Akaky; We do get some decent snow here in NZ; but not where I live. We’re all hoping the autumn will stay fine for as long as possible to make life easier for the people down in Christchurch still sorting out the earthquake mess. Sounds like they are going to have to bulldoze 10,000 houses because they are unsafe.

  382. David Bowen…

    Here is an excerpt from Amateur Photographer by DAH…

    When I mention that I have an M3, his enthusiasm is clear, exclaiming:
    “That´s just about the very best camera Leica ever made!”

    Amateur Photographer 16 June 2007

  383. Akaky…
    I want to be on your hate list!!! :)))
    We had half an hours snow this year and I think it lasted 20 minutes!!!!
    I think that will put me at the top your list!

  384. Ross…
    The interview is pretty interesting… From the interview I got the impression Don McCullin seems to be a real tortured soul, full of regrets!

  385. Panos…

    No chance of a surprise visit to see your lovely niece?
    Hold on… I can just imagine David, Vissaria and you making a book on Greece.
    Kind of like Magnum´s Georgian Spring!

    BTW if the person who has been “borrowing” “Georgian Spring” from my local library is round here will you please take it back. You took it out in June… just after I borrowed it for the full two weeks each member is allowed. Don´t want to seem like an impatient person because I am not. But you have had it for SEVEN months!!!! You and I are the only members of our library who have seen this book that´s how new it was when you confiscated it!!

  386. akaky and paul..
    you never know akaky :o) i’m guessing that the inner lens elements will be fogged, because of the glass leitz used on summarits.. anyroad – i checked the parcel tracking and it’s here in the morning..
    will put a roll through straight away and see whats what.

    paulo – yesyes.. indeed.. the store at my old collage still used them ten years ago .. the only leicas they held on to.. no m4’s, m5’s or even m6’s.
    .. from what i gather m7’s have build quality issues.
    anyway – enough equipmentitis..

    if i get back into rangefinders i may have to eat my hat for all i said in the past, sell all my kit and get an m8.

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    I can’t read the comments…
    I broke my reading glasses…I am not a “snow” person…I follow only the sun…
    too late to change…truth,I don’t wanna change…
    BUT I read the twitty feed…(short like a Haiku)
    “…but finally sleep deprivation takes me down.Fantasize pillows …”

    hope you are all good…tonight or today…
    I will be back …with a new vision!

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    I hope the ladies are celebrating …
    and I wish I have IRL too…
    But as long as we have…good energy and ouzo…it’s all good !

    pouf all clear!

  389. David B…

    No idea if M7 had build quality issues. I only know I owned to M6s one of them was hung round my neck on my shoulder or in a little camera bag hanging on my belt all day long. Never failed once in those 12 years. Miss them to death, shot all day with them, developed negs and never looked at them just all tidily stacked away in folders… up until now. Sold them thinking Digital was the only way to go and I should of known better.
    Enjoy that camera :))

  390. David B, I believe that the only problem the M7 ever had was electronic; not build in the general sense. The DX reader (remember DX codes) on early models sometimes failed but Leica would replace them with a newer version. We only hear about equipment faults; not of the many cameras that just work and keep working.

    Gordon, went to an camera fair (Focus on Imaging) in Birmingham (UK) yesterday and saw the Fuji X100. Looks and feels nice, Fiji rep didn’t know if it had focus confirmation in manual focus and in my brief look I couldn’t see it either. Viewfinder is good. I’m not buying one though. Also saw and handled the M9 for the first time: neat, much quieter than M8 (which I had, and sold) 50mm lens gives 50mm view again. Hope Apollo is o.k.

    Enjoy your camera David B!

    Mike.

  391. Had a used M6 for 3 1/2 years, did its job until it started to loose screws and pieces, traded it for an used M7, does its job without loosing anything til now (touching wood), fits me better, brighter viewfinder, essential if wearing glasses, quieter, EV +/- settings, A mode if and when needed.. and on/off button.. wouldn’t go back to M6.. gotta say a Bessa does the same job though, just a little louder and lighter..

  392. Ross.. today’s kids are ok.. I know I learn a lot from my own and their friends, my own generation seems much more lazy and dull..

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    no reading glasses yet…I don’t wanna go out…I remember what hapenned to THOMAS when he was walking
    on the snow…:)

    EVA…my generation looks good…survivors and fighters…BUT I see fighters everywhere,in all generations…and you EVA,VIVA…you are one of them…

    I hope LEEEE…is ok in Hawaii (volcano woke up) and I hope ROSSY is doing ok…aftermath “dancing”
    and I hope MR.HARVEY found fluffy pillows…and I hope DB scanned more scans…and AKAKY is AKAKY and I hope PAUL got his “Georgian Spring”…and PANOS got more Venice pics…and as MIKER says we hope APOLLO is ok…and THODORIS got the mail…and …KATIEEE is ok…and BOBBY…and PATRICIA…and REIMAR and…
    FROSTY…and …all of you,you know your names by now…I better go out…

    I can’t see well but i can sing…hiii
    can I ?

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    and nice photos JASONH(web)and PATRICIOM(web)…
    I see talent in the family…!

    I will be back…

  395. lovely, lovely.
    picked up the M3.. meter is working.. viewfinder bright and clear.. lens doesn’t even look fogged..
    and the sellers grandfather had written his name in the like-new case…
    he was a priest !

    unbelievable..

    put a film through to check shutter and rangefinder.. all seems good though..

    had forgotten quite what a pleasure they are to use.

    yes

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    BRAVO DAVIDB…you have a blessed camera…
    now,you do the math…

    no,let me do the math:
    blessed camera + BURNIAN= Blessed vision !!!
    Viva!

  397. David, I was worried for you about the condition of the viewfinder – big “whew”! Congrats; the glue between the lenses are prone to mould. Apparently keeping the body in a leather bag is the cause. When in long-term storage, it should be kept in anything but. Post pics pronto, please!

    Civi: Thanks for your comment; I’ll keep walking. Right into the Magnum workshop in May, Toronto. DAH’s and Larry Towell’s classes now full and closed. Guess that means David has to come to Toronto. Looking forward to some time with him…by extension Bob Black…and perhaps other Burnians. So, double, triple, quadruple Yay! for me! Walking in the land of giants, shooting random acts of blindness with Gilden. Carnival!!!

  398. Oh well, Bruce Davidson´s “Outside Inside” was just a dream! I´m not surprised!
    I received a e-mail last night from the book store saying they had just sold it that morning in the shop and would I mind waiting approximately three weeks until they were sent another. The funny thing is that is the third time this week I´ve had the same excuse from various bookshops in Europe through Amazon.
    So my take on this is the second edition won´t be long now and what some of these bookshops are doing is trying to secure buyers. Pretty shady selling as far as I am concerned and now I will wait until Amazon has copies.

  399. Bloody Hell!!
    Just received RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW….
    Gueorgui Pinkhassov´s Sightwalk!!!!!

    Saving it for after dinner… bit of quiet without kids and my wife probably fast asleep beside me on the sofa.
    Thank you David

  400. Paul… I ordered Outside Inside from Amazon end of October 2010 (the most expensive book I ever bought—or at least that’s what I thought at the time), only to receive an email from them a full month later, informing me that they were unable to fulfill my order “…due to a lack of availability from our suppliers…” …by the way, when I placed my order the book was still listed as “in stock” on their website…

  401. DAVID BOWEN

    yes, the closer one can get to the feel of the M3 the better…even my beloved M6 was not an M3…and an M3 used a few times by a priest seems to be the ticket…good work!!

  402. Surrounded by street robbers last night. All came out ok, but a few moments of serious negative possibilities.Own fault.Not paying attention

    David, enjoy Rio but be careful! If not then you will have “saudade” of your cameras…

    P.

  403. PATRICIO…

    honestly , the cameras were the least of our worries…we were with two sisters whose safety was of primary importance…there were three of us with cameras casually on our shoulder but they went for one of our friend’s hand bags..she fought it away…..she had fallen slightly behind the rest of us and was dressed chic for a ball…Bickford went into body block for the woman in most danger, as i yelled for all to get to middle of street and off dark sidewalk…the guys all acted like they had guns, but we saw no guns…gestured under shirt etc….i was walking slightly ahead of everyone prior and could not immediately figure out what was going on….then we split into three groups which seemed to confuse the potential robbers..there were we think about 6 of them…it all happened fast and we had no plan and just got lucky i think…i do not think it would have happened had we been all walking closer together and not looking so much like party goers…having a sense of purpose about you and eyes looking all around all the time, keeps many away i think…

    cheers, david

  404. thodoris – that just brilliant.. feel good?

    will buy it soon as i have paid off this camera..

    civi – yesyes – god bless the Reverend Olaf :o)

    jeff – i was concerned about viewfinder separation as well.. it’s like new though.. aligned..

    such a tight little camera .. by comparison my other kit feels loose and sloppy in construction. going to have fun with this.. been a good 12 or 13 years since i picked one up.. too, too long.

    DAH

    indeed :o) hope you’re all good and well rested again now..
    the funny thing is that i’ve never used many of the “whistles and bells” on my modern film and digital kit.. just wasted using an F5 on manual pre-focus, manual exposure (guessed in a nightclub of festival).. could have made this change years ago.

    have shone a torch down the lens and seems okay.. proof of the pudding in the eating.. might have some solid subject matter this coming saturday to properly test.. todays meanderings have been something of a relief.. a deep breath of fresh air.. will be shooting into the night i think.

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    Oime…

    Suggestion one:
    “…having a sense of purpose about you and eyes looking all around all the time, keeps many away i think…”

    Suggestion two:
    “…when you say you fantasize of pillows…better find the nearest bed…”

    Suggestion three:
    “…whatever hapens in Rio, stays in Rio…”

    Thank you spirits for helping our BURNIANS in those difficult times…

    Conclusion: BURNIANS are hard to beat!!!

    P.S…fonts are falling,they are going west…looking like italics…I can’t see clear…hmmmm
    I have to go out and buy those damn glasses…afterall

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    PAUL…yes, Enjoy the book !
    THODORIS…well deserved…συγχαρητηρια, απιστευτη δουλεια…!
    JEFF…Toronto will BURNNNNNN
    DB…:)))…go out and shoot now…night is coming.

  407. Mike R
    My supplier emailed me that the Fuji will be delayed, likely until the beginning of April due to higher than expected demand.
    Apollo is much better. We just let him outside for the first time this morning. He has lost some weight but seems OK otherwise.

  408. WOW!!
    be safe….
    1st the ocean and camera….
    now robbers in street….
    mmmm…
    glad you’re all ok…
    it makes a great story…..
    right out of a movie…..
    you can’t make this stuff up….
    wow!!!
    sending safe thoughts your way….
    and
    magic
    light……
    :)

  409. David…

    You need my Pit bull Indy with you in Rio. I swear people change side walk when they see us coming along the street. We are the only house in our street the Jehovah’s Witnesses don´t knock on the door on Sundays he doesn´t bark or growl it´s just the look he gives them and they realise Jesus isn´t welcome round here! A 80 pounds of muscle loves everybody especially kids but as all Pit bulls has a sixth sense for bad people.

  410. Oh and just before anyone says anything…
    Pitbulls are one of the most stable people friendly breeds out there. It´s not the dog it´s always the owner who is at fault. Indy is the most popular dog in our street all the neighbours stop to give him his daily stroke and pat, consequently we always arrive late back home from our walks.

  411. DAH, I am glad you have survived an attack in Rio without a major loss… my two cents – i have noticed when I walk here in Bogota on my own in a confident walk, paying attention (which we photographers do anyway), not flashing any jewelry (just my camera when I am in an episode for images), and MOST IMPORTANT – don’t talk in English or any other foreign language – I am safe and nobody cares about me, I melt in… once I met a nice local lady and we walked on the street talking in English and Russian, loudly of course, some characters started to chase us, and of course, when you are with a lady you cannot pay that much attention what’s going on around you… probably I don’t look like an easy target in general, I selected the main guy among them, looked at him and he got a message that if they try they will have a major fight in their life… they left us right away… nobody wants to kill you, they just want your stuff, and most of the time they are really scared themselves… I cary a screw driver in my bag, it’s better than a knife in case police decide to check your bag… I know the psychology of those street or beach guys because when I was 16 -18 during Soviet times we were doing some similar attacks on people, without robberies though – just for physical fights from a sport interest:)… Anyway, in my case walking on my own and not talking on the street improves my safety here in Bogota a lot… avoid slums neighborhoods and I am safer here than in my home town… After all, if I am on my own, I have the ability to run fast… if you are with a lady – no way, unless you want to tease the guys… David, stay safe and pay attention, yourself you don’t look like a target at all, while other people with you – may… Best wishes from Bogota

  412. David B..
    I’m happy for your new M..
    I’m happy when u r happy.. U r a nice kid and u deserve the best ..
    Big hug
    Panos (beef tamale)
    Good morning y’all from the City of Lost Angels:)

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    yioupi…thank you BURN CREW…I can see now…!!!

    I need INDY to give his look to the foxes and weasles and I need A.R.Z to give his look..to those
    who are going after my chickens…

    Be safe my BURNIANS…and if you need any help…just call me…I am MASSSS
    or you can always call EVA…she is Italiano…oime…:)))

  414. Paul…

    Not to get into a big to-do about this, but 15,000 years of selective breeding has created aggressive and non aggressive dogs and many in between. You may have done a great job of raising your pit. But all dogs can be temperamental at times, for whatever reason… it’s just that if a lab gets annoyed it’s unlikely to rip off the face of the nearest toddler. Know what I mean? People are afraid of/will avoid your dog for a reason. Saying they’re one of the most stable breeds is I think just slightly off. ;^}

  415. Speaking of dogs.. Going for a hot dog..
    Not easy to find a decent one in Santa Monica (birthplace of Vissaria) though …
    :)
    It’s more of a sushi town..

  416. michael kircher…

    Michael,
    I understand your views on this breed dog. Yes they are extremely strong animals as far as I know they are the strongest breed of dog around. The great problem this breed suffers from are owners who are do not realize these dogs need a hell of a lot of exercise. Indy goes out five times a day and three of those walks are an hour at least and on average he is out training 4 hours everyday. That is a lot of dedication towards a dog (I´m on crutches) and naturally very few people have as much spare time as I do. These are not dogs you walk round the block for a quick slash. You keep a dog like this all day inside a small apartment and you are in for a big problem, beginning with stress and ending who knows where.
    A dog is a only a dog not a human being and one should never leave any breed of dog alone unsupervised with a kid ever.

  417. here is the dearly remembered Rev Olaf Basteson,
    http://www.basteson.com/1949/1949%20Olaf%20Bastesen.htm

    and, (right), with his son –
    who must be the father of jonny who sold me the camera..
    http://basteson.com/EinarFoto/1938%20Einar%20og%20hans%20far%20Olaf%20Bastesen%2001.htm

    olaf emigrated to the US..
    on a visit back to bergen in 1949 he took this photo, (not with my camera)
    http://fotomuseum.bergen360.no/-/image/show/1353280_tyskerbryggen-1949-0507

    photos from olafs visit back to norway again in 1957….
    http://www.basteson.com/1957/1949%20Dagny2%20Bastesen%20og%20Dagny%20Hansen.htm

    he also came in 67.. a ten year itch for the old country?
    http://www.basteson.com/1967/Besok196701.html

    he was a keen amateur photographer..

    here is what rev. olaf sounds like.. talking stories from his life.. just for BJARTE i would guess:o)
    http://www.basteson.com/Olafside2.MP3

    trying to find some photos he took with my camera, which is increasing feeling less like “my camera”
    .. hmm

  418. comment awaiting moderation.. too many links.. been researching the rev olaf basteson, who liked taking photos.

    PANOS
    nice kid… NICE KID?
    pah..
    i’m not ya know.
    :o)

  419. “Surrounded by street robbers last night. All came out ok, but a few moments of serious negative possibilities.Own fault.Not paying attention 4 hrs ago”

    jeeze, david man..
    badbadbad..
    time to leave?

  420. michael kircher
    BTW met up for a drink the other night with kids from my workshop and I showed them your Velvia pics and everyone loved them. I also showed them
    “Great Blue Herons in a tussle above the rocks at the base of Great Falls.” and we all agreed that image should be published somewhere!
    http://www.michaelkircher.com/canal0017popup.htm

  421. Thank you Civi!!

    I’m posting a link here too so everyone can see –
    I went to Madison, Wisconsin (the Capitol city) to see the protests for myself – as there are few demonstrations that happen away from there. I was amazed by the children – so I chose to make an essay about them.

    Some history for those internationally who haven’t been able to hear about the protesting happening here.
    Wisconsin, the first state in the US to pass laws enabling unions to work collectively to better the working conditions – workers compensation for injuries, weekends off, no children laborers, etc…
    There is a bill about to pass the legislature that will abolish union collective bargaining within the state – however this affects the whole country as other states are following suit. We were the first to have the rights and are the first to lose them. Currently we have 14 democratic senators who are holding their own by staying out of the state. They’re standing their ground even though the Governor has imposed $100 / day fines and other legal actions to bring them back.

    http://jasonhouge.com/2011/03/children-of-solidarity/

    Please comment.

  422. “Surrounded by street robbers last night. All came out ok, but a few moments of serious negative possibilities.Own fault.Not paying attention 4 hrs ago”

    I can see how this could happen – caught up in shooting and forgetting the surroundings…
    David – you need someone to watch your back for you! an entourage who follows you at a distance so they can catch people like this by surprise… not me, i’m too small.

  423. Paul; “I promise to cross my heart and hope to die like a good rock star I won´t buy anymore books this month!”

    As we say here in NZ; “Yeah right!”…. ;-)

    The Tui beer company here in NZ have always used the phrase on billboards; the left side has an improbable statement (usually from a male point of view,and usually slightly riske!) and the right, a simple “yeah right” The one I saw the other day was; “My girlfriend’s Dad lets me call him bro” then “Yeah right…”

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=40519009258

  424. Jason…
    Nice set of images and you seem to know how to go around without attracting much attention. That seems to be a very important factor in this type of photography because last thing you need are people staring at the camera and putting on their best faces!

  425. Ross…

    Well now that my Bruce Davidson book is cancelled I suppose I can break that promise :) Anyway off to read “Sightwalk” for the moment.
    BTW what´s the name of that Annie Dillard book you bought the other day?

  426. Thodoris Tzalavras…

    I´ve signed up for an email notice with amazon they will tell me when “Outside Inside” is published again. So I´ll let you know also.

  427. Paul;

    “An American Childhood”; going to start it tonight… Just finished a book by Billy Graham, (the NZ boxer, not the evangelist). He is a boxer and motivational speaker who recently set up a boxing gym for kids in his old neighbourhood. Aiming to give back to where he came from and to try to keep the kids on the straight and narrow.

    I’ve heard him on the radio and TV and he’s great. Dyslexic and brought up in a tough part of town, he is now one of the most sought after motivational speakers. Best of all; he talks good common sense, not the typical motivational sick-making stuff! And; practically everything he makes goes back to the gym.

    I laughed when I saw the book title “Your ship came in the day the doctor smacked your bum!”

  428. Its fun though.. Photography will be soon illegal activity..
    Felony.. All of us .. Outlaws for no reason…
    Felony.. Doesn’t matter if u stabbed your mother or shot with a camera..
    Same cell… Same charge..
    Camera is eventually considered a weapon..same as a gun..
    And if the camera is “black” and not silver we should serve extra time..:(
    Sunglasses should be illegal too..
    Effing Florida :(

  429. 700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!WOOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWOOOOWOOOOOOO

  430. a civilian-mass audience

    Yeah right!”…. ;-)
    Damnit you BURNIANS…:))))))))))))))

    goodnight from beautiful Grecolandia …I love you ALLL

  431. @ DAH: Glad you’re OK. Just a big scary time.
    It usually happens in every big city in Latin America, at dawn without or poor street light, far from downtonw.
    In Buenos Aires we have an expression. it says (literaly): “walking with the guts in the throat” (estoy con las bolas en la garganta).
    Is part of the daily life (unfortunately).

    Stay dafe
    P.
    PS: By the way, for all the burnians, the tweet remember me this, from Alex Majoli “Requiem in Samba”: http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/samba

  432. I haven’t been around here for a while, I just stopped in to see Laura’s excellent essay on Egypt. I saw this post and I had to respond. Is print dead? Yes probably in the way that we know it. Newspapers and magazines are migrating to the net at a huge rate and it is essentially the best way to distribute and view images and stories that are fleeting. Will big art books of painting and sculpture and photography die? Perhaps … Though if the work is good enough it will last and the best way to view good photography is in print or on a wall, isolated if you like from all of the elements that might distract us from seeing it. Art work is created to make us see a different perspective, to challenge our ways of thinking to draw us into the world of another person’s emotions, eyes and ears… That said it will always be that galleries exist, they are like the national parks of the future for us, a place where you can contemplate the artists true intention in the way that the work is delivered in that medium. Its an authentic experience to spend time in an art gallery, brings us closer to the cultural tendencies of the time. Like being close to nature. So while maybe small custom publishing houses may exist in the future, the days of Life Magazine are long, long gone…

    Angus and Roberts, the oldest book sellers in Australia went into administration about two weeks ago. Borders chose to close their doors in the same week. Sort of says everything about the big chains of booksellers and that mass marketed, high turnover, low profit margins in this area are now a thing of the past. And while ‘vanity publishing’ is on the rise, everyone can do a book now days that they can lay proudly on their coffee tables if they are prepared to pay for it. Its like your classes David, there is an inbuilt market within the people that create it, but unless the work is really good then it has a limited market potential in a wider audience.

    No I believe that galleries will be the last vestige of print. And perhaps the catalogues that are sold to accompany the big shows. The single photo in a frame will always sell because then it is a limited edition and therefore seen as unique and more valuable. And you can always go to a gallery as an outing, if you go to the opening then you can also mingle with like minded people… Its a great social institution and you can celebrate the image at the same time.

    And for me it is definitely easier to carry an internet equipped computer and look at photos that way than carry all of my books around. And while I love my books? I think I would rather go to a gallery and chat about the work than be stuck always trying to organise transport for my thirty boxes of books every time I have to move house.

  433. I am ever grateful that I will never have to live in a world of no books. To walk into a home with no books. No magazines or papers about. Such a cold, sterile, dull environment… just the thought of it depresses me! And it, of course, saddens me that my niece–who just turned 5–just might live in that kind of world. Or some version of it. Hope like hell not, but maybe.

    I’m hopeful that the demise of the big stores like Borders will give rise, ironically, to more “mom & pops”. specialty places. Might cost more, but what the fuck. This “convenience” mind-set bores me. How is it that we are so willing to rid ourselves of the things that make life worth living for the sake of “convenience”? Ugh. Count me out.

    Again, it’s nothing I have to worry about personally. I’ll always have books and magazines. I’ve collected plenty, I’ll continue to acquire, borrow, steal, whatever. But… if the predictions of some are even close to accurate… the future looks desperately sad.

    Here’s to them being wrong!

    Cheers.

  434. Lisa,
    I’m mixed on books. I need them. I need the book because In a book, the artist knows the viewer will almost always see them the way they were intended. the work can be bigger, and more related amongst the other works. Where online, the problem is that joe over hear has a cheap monitor, betty two cubicles down has her 10 inch net book, the captain on the bridge has his big view screen and the photos will never be seen how the artist intends them to be. It’s easier and more comfortable to sit in a big cushy chair and flip through a book with some coffee… were hunching over a desk and poking a computer is the most opposite. The ease of seeing is there, but SO much more are in those books. the old books. the books Libraries have.

    I think the main problem is that people in today’s society place too much value on owning things. people say things like “The library is old and the books are dirty and smelly…”

    ” I think I would rather go to a gallery and chat about the work than be stuck always trying to organise transport for my thirty boxes of books every time I have to move house”

    I agree hauling so many things when you have to move, especially big books, is terrible. but, thats why it makes sense to have a library nearby. Or find a way to never move…

    I’m currently going through the publishing process and I can tell you the feeling, the mystery, the magic is something more profound than clicking some buttons and uploading to blurb or to a website.

    I think the fact that businesses are closing and moving to easier routes shows that there is a change happening in consumerism. that society is placing less value on needing to own everything to enjoy it. Or they simply cannot afford to do so anymore.

  435. @ Mickael Kircher: Yep, terrific essay and every single pictures is a powerful one. Agree with the comment of Alex, and also there is particuraly one when he discuss with a brazil photographer:

    Photog X: Let’s take a walk!
    Alex M.: But it’s raining
    Photog X : Alex, it’s just water… why you, europeans are SO complicated?

    Cheers, Patricio

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    oime…to my Libyan friends…be strong…we are sending good energy…

    “Gaddafi forces beat up BBC team
    The security forces of Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi detain and beat up a BBC team trying to reach the strife-torn western city of Zawiya…”
    BBC breaking news…

    be careful my friends…wherever you are…
    may the spirits …be with you…all of you…

    P.S…EVA,PAUL…any leftovers?:)))

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    Wisconsin
    “The whole world is watching…”
    and
    today I want to sing for DALAI LAMA…hmmm…
    scartching my head … brain cells…leftovers…:)

  438. pAtrIcIO m.

    Thanks for the Alex Majoli link. Amazing! That guy delves so deep into his work and the audio just adds that extra dimension and perspective to the whole essay.

  439. I’ve order Alex Majoli’s “Libera me”.
    BTW fell asleep last night didn’t even get a chance to open “Sightwalk”, try again tonight!!

  440. Civi.. sorry, if you find leftover braicells send them my way, please.. waiting for non fly zone kick-in..

  441. Just dropping in with a quick note to say that Format photo festival in Derby has been awesome! Will be back home and thus able to check in here more regularly pretty soon. :-)
    The Magnum exhibs in the Marketplace were stunning – Constantine Manos’ work in particular stood out. Some great talks and workshops by Bruce Gilden, Richard Kalvar, Brian Griffin, and Chris Steele-Perkins, and some frankly awesome exhibitions of street and documentary photography. If you’re in Britain, this is one photo festival that you simply have to see.

    And, meeting Civi was just plain ace. ;-P

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    Carnavals …partyyyyyyyyy…colors are flying …

    I am between black and white…
    I am color blind…
    I see grey…I am a civilian…flat out
    BUT
    when it comes to partyyy…I am all color
    VIVAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

    P.S EVA…leftover braicells…are crossing waters:)))

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    FRAMERS…love you…
    birthday hugs coming soon …your way…

    time to give dinner to rabbits…

  444. a civilian-mass audience

    No worries…PAUL…i am bringing you in the right aisle…

    “Paul
    March 10, 2011 at 11:46 am
    Sitting in local park watching kids, struggling to read Pep Bonet’s ”Log Book”…all in Catalan should of brought with me my Spanish/catalan dictionary…but it’s worth the struggle lots of little insights and truths many make a point of missing out on.”

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    Welcome back LISA!

    MICHAELK…Happy birthday to your little one…
    one of my rabbits have birthday too:)!

    MAJOLI…oil
    PELLEGRIN…water
    HARVEY…Fire…
    VINK…earth

    We love them all…!!!

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    JEFF…no worries…have a break with olives and ouzo…
    ON ME !!!

    to all my BURNIANS…we celebrate today…!!!

  447. a civilian-mass audience

    and where is IMANTS…I hope he is ok…I hear waters,lots of waters in Australia…

    ROSSY…can u check hm out?

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    oime…FRAMERS…CONSTANTNOS MANOS…?!!!
    I didn’t know him…hmmm…and my other Greek boy …ECONOMOPOULOS NIKOS…?is in Nicosia!!
    THODORI…happy name day (Saturday)!

  449. Reuters confirming reports from AP that Saudi police cracking down on protesters in eastern Saudi Arabia. Live fire and stun grenades. Major ugliness lies ahead.

  450. Alex, it’s just water… why you, europeans are SO complicated?
    ———————————————————–
    Patricio..
    that was his thoughts until he met “the americans”..
    ;)

  451. Great wit in reporting: “Reports of Saudi security forces opening fire on protesters have had a less than buoyant effect on stock prices in the last hour.”

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    A Photophilosopher …BOBBYB. once wrote…

    “(you would be hard pressed to find a more hardworking photographer who cares about helping others and helping young photographers).
    …but, I don’t think photographers here (or elsewhere) are immitating the David Alan Harvey look. I think those who meet david, work with david, learn from him, just get juiced by his enthusiasm and work ethic. They want to be like him ;)))….and shit, who doesn’t:…”

    I do…I do want to be like MR.HARVEY…in a civilian way ,of course…!!!

    MICHAELK,PANOS…i hear you…
    “There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.”
    Howard Zinn

  453. a civilian-mass audience

    FROSTYFROG…come on…bring it on…
    I am not young and I have not time either BUT look where I am…
    BURNING my damn ash off…hiiii
    don’t we all love my swears…:)))

  454. I was wondering if anyone may be able to give me a little advice? I have just bought a Zoom H1 sound recorder; mostly to use for recording ambient background sounds and the occasional interview to run with image slideshows.

    I’ve been trawling around trying to find some good info on formats etc; but as usual there is a lot of conflicting advice out there… I plan to use WAV format; figuring that I can always convert to MP3 if needed, but to have a higher quality original to work with. A bit like RAW/jpeg I suppose.

    I’ve (sort of!) settled on 24 bit and 44.1 or 48 kHz. Does that all sound about right? Also; would that be adequate for archival type interviews? Sorry to go all el-techo on everyone! Thanks :-)

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    VIVA BURNBLOGFAN…you sound familiar…like an old BURNIAN …hmmm…
    well,come over to share some ouzo…today we celebrate…!!!

    Sorry ROSSY…back to your tech question…

  456. Ross,

    I believe CD-quality is 44.1kHz sampling at 16 bit. I know some people can the difference between CD and analog recording, but not me. What I can’t stand is a lot of compression… gotta let the music “breathe”.

  457. Ross,

    Sorry I just saw your post. Yes, I always record my audio stuff as .wav files as they are uncompressed. This is like shooting RAW – more options later! I would also record at the highest sample rate you can. I record music using an M-Audio interface at 192kHz and 32-bit float. But my big interface and G5 Mac aren’t easy to carry around! I’d go with the highest quality setting you can. I also recommend Audacity as a free audio manipulation programme. Reaper also do a demo version that is very good. I use Nuendo 4, and sometimes Logic Pro 9, but this is also because my work is often in collaboration with others, so we use these programmes to ensure everyone can read the files of a work in progress.

    Also, if you plan to record interviews, check if the Zoom has an input for an extra mic. It should do. I would look at a cheap smaller diaphragm condenser microphone, something like the Rode NT4 or 5. I can’t remember which it is. I think it’s the NT5. I’ll check for you in a minute. If you can pick up a pair of balanced Rode mics, even better (tho you won’t use both straight away, you can only buy balanced mics as a pair, you can’t buy one then add another later – as they’re often sold as a deal, I’d go with the two, just in case). This is because handheld recorders often pick up lots of ambient noise, by design. A small D condenser will focus on the audio right in front of it a lot more, so if you point it at the speaker’s mouth, and there is chatter going on behind you, you should get the speaker cleanly with less of the background noise. Also, be careful to avoid handling the mic or Zoom recorder while it is recording. Ideally, you would want it on a table with thick carpet underneath, and a heavy tablecloth on top. To improvise, putting a thick jumper down to lay the zoom on top of can work very well so long as you don’t then move/knock the jumper! Basically, these fabrics helps to absorb vibrations caused by people knocking the table, or walking the floor, or the echo of someone’s voice bouncing off the table. Foam, thick carpets, jumpers, etc., can all helps with this. So you get a much cleaner sound overall.

    If you plan to distribute the interviews online, may I suggest looking at soundcloud.com they are very good. You can upload .wav files, and they display as a graph and you can add info about e.g. who spoke and where. But you can also tag the visual graph of the talk with notes and comments. So, if you had say 30 minute interview with DAH, you could tag each of the interview questions, so people can find specific comments he made easily at a later date if, say, they wanted to share a particular quote or question response. They’re very good.

    Hope this all helps. CIVI has my email if you have any other questions, or post here. If I can help, I am happy to do so. :-D

  458. Sorry, I meant “small diaphragm condenser microphone” not “smaller diaphragm condenser microphone”. And I just checked my mic cabinet – I have a balanced pair of Rode NT5 mics They cost me £199, so not much. They’re not top studio quality by a long stretch, but they do the job.

  459. Justin/Framer’s; Thank you so much, that was just what i wanted to hear! Cutting and pasting to a Word document as we speak! :-) Thanks!!!

  460. ROSS,

    Sorry, I can’t stop, you’ve unleashed my audio deamons, hahaha! Also, re extra mics – stay away from Large Diaphragm Condenser microphones as they often need phantom power to work. This is electricity used to power them. But I don’t think the Zoom has phantom power as an option, so they wouldn’t work with your set up. You can get a preamp for this, but then that’s extra stuff for you to carry. In addition to the Rode mics, I’d look at what Shure have on offer, or maybe consider a Shure SM58 which is a solidly built mic and will last through being dropped or bashed and keep going for years. They are about £60-70. But I still think the Rode would be better for you – smaller, lighter and would sound better, imo, for spoken word. The SM58 is really for sung vocals and can sound a lot more boomy.

    As I say, I am happy to answer any questions as best as I can on all this. I do have some experience in audio production. I have a small audio set up at home, so I’m also happy to check your audio no that system if you want – I mix in there a lot, so I know how the room sounds. This is VERY important. Always mix or work on your audio (after capture, tweaking it to sound better) in the same room. How the room is set up and sounds does make a difference but, in any room, after a while you learn the effects of the room. So you can compensate for e.g. there being no bass in there, or it being a bit echoey. After you’ve mixed it, burn it to CD and then play it in a variety of places – your laptop with no speakers plugged in, your laptop with speakers plugged in, your car, etc, etc. I actually find that cars often give a very neutral rendering of audio, provided it hasn’t been custom fitted with big subwoofers. An audio that sounds good on one system might sound terrible on a different one. A bit like an image looking different on 10 differently calibrated (or uncalibrated, to be precise) computer screens. For spoken word, I suppose it is less vital, but I would at least check it on your laptop without speakers, your laptop with headphones on, and your car, before distributing it publicly.

  461. I’ve always been fascinated with sound recording (mostly the ambient background sounds), especially when I was shooting nature. Even now I often just sit back, close my eyes and listen… But back then it was tape machines the size of a small TV and many thousands of dollars to get any sort of decent quality.

  462. Framers,

    Wow! Lots of good info – thank you. Just one more reason I love this place :-)

    Ross,

    Here’s a Tele jam for you: Jim Campilongo live:

  463. Oh, just to clarify a few points (reading back, I realise I may have been ambiguous…)

    The Rode equipment is often sold “on offer” as a reduction, which is why I said go with a balanced pair if you can.

    Soundcloud – it gives you options to embed the audio file and the visual graph of it on e.g. a blog post or webstie, which is why I suggested it. Upload there, then embed it in your site/blog, or send the link as a URL to people.

    Referencing in cars – my experience is with hatchbacks and estate cars, with the windows rolled up and just the standard audio equipment. No massive subwoofers, and I don’t have the windows rolled down when referencing there. Too much ambient noise gets in.

    And small D condensers are very direction-focussed. So, when you get one, experiment with it. Do some test recordings. You’ll want to place it pointing at the speaker’s mouth. They needn’t be too close, but if they move off-axis (i.e. to one side of it) the volume will drop noticeably. This is why they’re great at reducing ambient noise. But they’re not so great if e.g. your speaker is standing and likes to pace around a lot. You have to coax your speaker to stay in front of the mic!

    ROSS – I love listening to Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue album with all the lights in the house off, when it’s pitch black at night I draw the curtain, switch the lights off, put that album on and close my eyes. It is heaven. :-) This is one reason why I’m not so keen on photo slideshows with music – often, the music if it’s bad will really ruin the visuals for me. I had a chat with someone about this recently and may hopefully be working with them on some things. But they went with presenting a slideshow without music for a talk they gave, and I was very grateful for that. I may well be a little bit OCD. ;-P

  464. Wow; thanks again! I may have to look at the Shure, the Rode’s are NZ$599 per pair here! A bit (fair bit!) out of my budget at the moment.

    Re; music… Ry Cooder’s Paris Texas soundtrack is the one for me to listen to late at night. I love the sound of the slide running across the strings, and the fret noises as his fingers change chords.

    A while ago I wrote a story for a travel mag about Jerusalem (in NZ not Israel) and James K Baxter (NZ’s greatest poet who once lived there, and a literary hero of mine). I sat by his grave out the front of the house in a pilgrimage I’d wanted to make for many years.

    Sitting on my haunches in front of the grave I paid my respects to the man the residents of Jerusalem simply knew as “Hemi” (Maori for James). I closed my eyes and listened to the sounds filtering up from the valley to the hill where Baxter lay.

    They were natural sounds; the sound of wind rustling branches and leaves intermingled with the calls of peacocks, pheasants, tui, paradise ducks, kingfishers, ducks and wild goats. Kereru (large native pigeon) swooped low from the trees, the whomp, whomp of their drumming wing beats contrasted the rushed whirred flight of the tui.

    Accompanying those wild sounds was the constant comforting domestic clucking of chickens and roosters stridently proclaiming “I’m here, this is my territory and don’t mess with me” Funny; I just sat there for about 1 ½ hours…

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    FRAMERS… another BURNIAN with beauty and brains…damnit FI…I knew but I didn’t know …
    you ROCK …next time drinks on me…

    Don’t we all LOVE BURN…!!!

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    To my JAPANESE BURNIANS…oime…

    massive quake…I am sending spirits…BUT it seems you are gonna need more than that…
    RED CROSS is calling…
    help is on your way…
    stay strong JAPAN…

    I will be back…warning for TSUNAMI…6meters
    running

  467. Ross
    I have been planning to get a sound recorder and have also settled on the Zoom H1. I’ll use it mainly for music, but may also use it if I ever decide to figure out how to do video with my 5d11. I noted that there is an accesory mount for a camera hot shoe. I’m not sure how to sych the recorder to the camera though.

  468. Ross…
    The best thing I can suggest is to experiment and listen to the recording through a very good set of speakers and choose which is best for you.

  469. Friday!!
    Might as well begin climbing that stairway to heaven which each weekend should be…
    For the guitar guys round here…

  470. Ross.. same here.. one big wave just going forwards at an impressive speed overriding just everything…

  471. About the mics, Framers Intent clearly knows a lot more about audio than I, but for what it’s worth, I’ve found I prefer using lavs as much as possible. I have a Rode ntg-2 which came highly recommended from B&H and is comparable in quality to a Sennheiser I use at work that cost nearly twice as much. Still, I find myself using the lav whenever I can. In addition to its obvious virtues regarding room noise, I’ve found it works pretty well just out in the middle of the room or clipped discreetly to the outside of my camera bag for capturing ambient sound.

    Hey Paul, another landscape if you’re interested. You mentioned chiaroscuro…

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    ok LEE is up,high…she says she will survive the tsunami…
    Can someone alert the Venice Beach tamale…?…hmmm…

    here,RC…we are looking for Greeks…hmmm…out of jet fuel to bring them home…
    oime…we didn’t pay the bill:(

    The Universe is dancing…next time…I have to think before I make a wish…

    I’ll be back…hope u are all up in the mountains…

  473. MW…
    Nice! Now that is the perfect example where loads of saturation like the carnival essay would diminish the beauty of this photo. Some may find it underexposed…

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    and before I go…if you believe that you ‘ll get away in BURNLAND as an UFO…you are in for a big
    surprise…(personal experience:))…BURN CREW is always on high alert:)
    Viva again!!!

  475. Ross, Mics, recorders etc are a lot like tripods you can waste a lot of money trying to save money, much better off getting something worth having in the first place.

  476. +1 on what Framers wrote about audio….especially the part about taking your mix into a few different enviornments/systems to listen to once you have a working mix, to make sure your mixing environment hasn’t influenced it unduly.

    I used to do audio work – both reinforcement/stage monitor mixing for events and also in the studio…kind of funny to hear the SHure SM58 mentioned…I could (can?) mike an entire band with SM57s and 58s….and they take a beating. Might be a bit on the heavy (and boomy, as noted) side for PJ work, though.

    Wow, all the audio talk brings back some fun memories – working stage sound for bands like the Police, 10,000 Maniacs, and the English Beat, and hanging out/mixing/jamming in the studio with local and regional bands….have I ever mentioned I think one reason photography is so appealing to me is because I’m a frustrated musician? I’d love to be able to play an instruent, but play badly….sound work got me close (after all, the engineer/mixer/producer has a huge influence on the overall end product), but with photography there is at least an outside chance I can actually create something beautiful of my own, not just manipulate someone else’s work….

    Good light all, and special thoughts going out to all those affected by the tragedy and challenges being caused by mother earth today, and all those involved in civil unrest…

    a.

  477. Paul, the riverview photo is developed the same way as the carnival photos, the main difference is in the light and subject matter. People who paint themselves bright colors and stand out in early morning light tend to come off as saturated if exposed properly. Pointing camera nearly into the sun toward a river on a bleh day, not so much.

  478. MW…
    I’ll take your word for it…i have no reason to distrust but i could of sworn i was seeing a stronger contrast or stronger saturation between images.

  479. Harry; Yes, that does make sense! It may just have to wait a while.

    Andrew B; Working stage sounds for 10,000 Maniacs and by default; Natalie Merchant? Insanely jealous… :-)

  480. Harry – yeah, that’s spot on. But I don’t think the £3k mics are really necessary for what Ross wants to do.

    Andrew – I’ve seen some pretty bashed up SM58’s and 57’s in my time, too! That was the main reason for my suggesting them as a possible option – I had visions of one being dropped down a flight of stairs as Ross grabs for his camera to catch a quick moment shot. Priorities and all that, haha. I used to do lighting on tour with bands, always good times. Makes me wonder why I don’t use speedlights for my photography, although I’m sure I’ll get to it eventually!

    Best thoughts to all those facing difficulties right now from mother nature.

  481. Earthquake, tsunami and nuclear warning.. seems there will be a ‘controlloed steam release’ at the Fukushima nuclear plant.. where will the vapor go, what does ‘controlled’ mean?

  482. Hey Ross…

    Yes, Natalie Merchant included…this was right when they released In My Tribe, and they were still reletively unknown and playing college towns. Still have images of her sitting at the piano, singing Verdi Cries, sitting on the edge of the stage, dangling her legs while she sang Painted Desert, and twirling around the full width of the stage for Hey Jack Karouac…

    Not sure if this will ease the jealous part…but they opened for REM that show. I didn’t work sound for REM, but did make good use of the all-access creds :)

    To go a bit more obscure, if we ever get to have a beer together I’ll tell you the story about sound check for Rickie Lee Jones….

    Wow, good times. Wish I had been into photography as much then as now – I was a little, but never carried my camera. D’Uh!

  483. It seems I still can’t listen to this song without getting chills:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFDs_gUXFlk

    And another version of Hey Jack Karouac:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_ynflT1mg&feature=related

    These two (In New Haven) were the same tour as when I saw her…she’s a little less animated than she was for our show – during the break at about 2m30s, she skipped from one side of the stage to the other, then twirled her was back to the mic….

  484. Gordon,
    Servers keep crashing this morning..
    Haik is working hard behind the scenes all morning..
    Servers tsunami?
    Either way the problem is being addressed:)

  485. Paul, I think maybe you get a bit too caught up in the issues surrounding digital production when 99 or so percent of what matters in the look of a picture is light. If you have this kind of light you’ll get that kind of look. If you have that kind of light you’ll get this kind of look. The mechanical processes may marginally enhance the light or royally fuck it up, but they are tertiary considerations at best. I’m not as opposed to influences as you probably think, it’s just that I prefer the influences of painters. They put a lot of effort into seeing the light. As I’ve mentioned, I learn a lot from Hudson Valley school painters like Thomas Cole and George Innes. I suspect they learned a lot from Goya’s black period, a place I often go myself. Yes, I saw your link. I like the idea of what you’re doing with the waves. I’ve often considered exploring that kind of thing myself, but am ultimately too lazy to use a tripod. But you are not I. Go for it.

  486. a civilian-mass audience

    Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor…and so many others around the Universe…oime.
    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”
    Albert Einstein
    What we… humans are we thinking…?
    BUT
    “Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it”
    Helen Keller

    yes,together we shall Overcome…

    Goodnight BURNIANS,goodnight Universe…may the spirits be where they suppose to be…
    I LOVE YOU ALL…

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    oh,before I go…BURNIANS…
    very often I am in the facebook area and I am receiving numerous links and messages from photographers like you…
    some want to meet me,some want my opinion,some just want to come over in BURNLAND…
    i try to explain …I am just a Civilian…I don’t take pictures,I have no tech or photo education,I usually copy and paste,like MRS.ARRIANA H.(but no savings account:)))).
    I have never met any of of the photo masters,icons or emerging …I just LOVE art and I love to see people with vision…
    Well, to make the short story long, one of my new FB friends is EMILYG…she is one of you…
    I think she lives somewhere in South US…and she is ready to get BURNED…

    EMILY and all of you…(u know your names) u may come in…we live under a “BURNING” tent…so don’t look for a door…
    ouzo and olives on me!!!

  488. hey amigos…

    urgent message from our tech team (Haik, Anton) to pull some stuff off the front page…Burn crashing almost every day now and part of it due to heavy traffic, part of it due to a heavy front page…too many stories up at once…sorry to all who had to come off too early..will try to balance it out later..we just put too much up too fast…

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    and THANK YOU ALL…I see many links…keep BURNING…
    don’t forget to say

    I LOVE YOU…every day to your family,friends,strangers…open your hearts…
    I better do what I say..so I LOVE YOU ALL…

    …I will sing later…zzzzz….my friends

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    oups…sorry MR.HARVEY…I told you …I AM MAAAAAAASSSSSSSSS…

    ok.poufff all clear…I am withdrawling:)

  491. “the world is not a toyota camry…its more of a gmc camaro…unstable and oil thirsty..
    japanese car industry managed to create an illusion..a fake illusion of security…at least american car industry is a bit more honest..and thats why its falling/fell apart..”

  492. Panos…

    The “Car Guys” on NPR once said everybody should go out and buy an old 1959 cadillac convertible with the big fins on the back, the ones that get like 5 MPG… and drive them as fast as possible all the time. This way we burn up more quickly all the oil that’s left and then and ONLY then will we have the will to come up with a smart, less volatile (in so many ways!) alternative. So, do your part! Floor it! Burn up some oil!!

    Cheers.

  493. Gordon,
    now which pictures show the truth of the x100?
    the good pre-production or the bad from a production model? ;)
    are the photographers of bjp so much worse than the preview guys or was the pre-production model gigot optimized to tease customers?

    now I’m really curious to see “real” pictures.

    I have solved it for me last week anyways – I bought a used GF1/20mm on eBay and I’m a happy camper :)
    my next travel will be really light.

  494. …One person remains missing and two others were rescued from the surf in Northern California after a tsunami caused by a deadly earthquake in Japan continued to reverberate across the Pacific Ocean.

    Three people taking pictures of the surf near the mouth of the Klamath River, about 20 miles south of Crescent City, Calif., were surprised by large waves and swept into the water, said Cindy Henderson, emergency services officer for Del Norte County.

    Two of the people struggled out of the surf and a male in his 20s is still missing, and is now the focus of a search and rescue operation, said a Coast Guard spokesman…

  495. [7:45 p.m. ET, 9:45 a.m. Tokyo] Potentially dangerous problems cooling radioactive material appear to have cropped up at another of the Tokyo Electric Power Company’s nuclear plants. Kyodo reported Saturday the power company alerted authorities that the cooling system at three of the four units of its Fukushima Daini plant – which is different from the Fukushima Daiichi reactors, nearby in northeastern Japan in the Fukushima prefecture – has failed.

    The news agency also reported Saturday that Japan’s nuclear safety agency ordered the power company to release a valve in the Fukushima Daiichi plant’s “No. 1” reactor, in order to release growing pressure. This comes amid Kyodo’s reports, citing the same Japanese agency, that radiation levels were 1,000 times above normal in the the control room of that facility’s “No. 1” reactor.

  496. [6:50 p.m. ET, 8:50 a.m. Tokyo] California Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Del Norte, Humboldt, San Mateo and Santa Cruz counties Friday after tsunami waves moved ashore in those areas.

  497. Thomas
    I’m surprised BJP even posted those miserable snaps. I can show you better files from my 2004 4mp point and shoot. Making any judgment from web images is pretty dodgy at best. At least you can see the DP review images full size. From what I have seen , I cannot imagine that the image quality from the x100 will be anything less than stellar.
    Image quality really is not an issue in any case. Even if the image quality is only average, the cheapest of the entry level dslrs/micro4/3 cameras produce image quality that eclipse 35mm film by a huge factor. Even my 6mp Fuji f30 point produces photographs that shame any 35mm camera I’ve ever owned (and I’ve owned a bunch). It is the new viewfinder that is the revolution.

  498. Justin :)
    i was more afraid of the “panic mode” and the driving craziness of my fellow californians…than the tsunami itself…
    Californians are pretty stressed when it rains and when there are “warnings” (tsunami, fire, etc)..
    In general true Californians are always stressed..they(we) hate waiting, they dont like lines(especially in starbucks).. they (we) are very spoiled and very complicated..
    …Californians have a history of road rage and they(we) always think we were here first… so after almost two decades living here i know very well where the actual danger is..
    And its mostly on the streets and freeways…
    You dont want a stressed out californian on the freeway in front of u, behind u or anywhere near..:)))
    So today i tried to avoid driving as much as possible…
    There’s nothing worst than mass hysteria and panic….
    thank you:)

  499. [5:15 p.m. ET, 7:15 a.m. Tokyo] A 25-year-old man who was washed out to sea while trying to photograph the tsunami in northern California was confirmed dead Friday, according to Del Norte, California, authorities.

    (unfortunately, not “missing” anymore, confirmed dead)

  500. “Even if the image quality is only average”……..that sorta defeats the whole purpose of pumping all that R and D into a camera…
    This is a camera that I always knew something extra about a long time ago and as a camera ergonomically it will/is great for the traditionalists.
    IQ is great but there is a but……… This camera will produce images with a distinctive look pretty much as the ricoh GRDs do though not as in heavy tonal weights.
    .

    One will get the best out with a bit of PP work but don’t get caught up in that “fuji” look

  501. Gordon,
    the BJP pictures are on flickr.
    I.e. if you remove the word show at the end of the URL,
    you’ll see, they uploaded the original files. my guess is, that the pictures are right from the camera. I looked only at the iso test images and found it a bit unfair that they took them in such a bright environment. then I digged into the 12800 iso image until I saw the original file. it is not that bad.

  502. Imants,
    I agree. I looked only for noise in the black areas.
    actually, I’m really curious how real pictures from the x100 will look like.
    high iso means, there is a lot of software built in to recover the picture.

  503. Gordon…

    “the cheapest of the entry level dslrs/micro4/3 cameras produce image quality that eclipse 35mm film by a huge factor”

    Uh huh, no, don’t think so.. try to print a negative and a file straight out of the cam and you’ll see..

  504. The x100 magic box cast a demon of a spell………. even brought some leicaphiles to their knees.
    .
    .
    All this despite not seeing one

  505. a civilian-mass audience

    I can’t help it…I am back:)))

    and I can’t help it…I will repeat …again,again…
    IT BURNS,BURNS,BURNS…the ring of fire
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRlj5vjp3Ko

    … the earth has shifted 4 inches…
    a young friend of mine…said to me…”I guess the earth got bored too…”

    BURN,BURN,BURN…

  506. Civi…

    “I have no tech or photo education…”

    me either..

    “I have never met any of of the photo masters,icons or emerging …”

    me either.. I did meet two or three photographers with a passion for a couple hours though.. so yes, art and vision combined is what counts.. and I hope I never find out who YOU are.. :)

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    I LOVE YOU EVA…
    I am BURNING and I am MASSS…you already know me…I am next to you,I am a civilian…:)

    P.S …BUT I hope I meet you cause I’ve heard you are HOT,hot and BURNING…like All my BURNIANS!!!
    where is my damn coffee…I don’t want to hear more breaking news today…nope,nada…

  508. Civi just in case you don’t realise this with all your ancient Grik wisdom the world is round a 4 inch shift equals zero at 360˙

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    IMANTS…it’s all grik to me…:)))
    hmmm… I don’t know about wisdom…
    i am …hands on experience…kinda person…

    But I hope to meet you too…Hot and BURNING…”who is this?”

    Who wants coffee…hot and BURNING?!!…

  510. Civi.. haaa.. I’ll burst your bubble another time, enough bad breaking news coming in today.. but don’t trust all you’re told ;))

  511. MW…
    Yes I am a bit too caught up in the issues surrounding digital production… only because my digital camera produces a very flat looking Raw images. Hellishly uninspiring to look at let alone work with. ACR doesn’t only enhance my images it also saves them from being thrown in the recycle bin. I see your tastes in landscape painting as your images do have a painterly look… but not the Carnival work. I must admit if it wasn’t because of monetary reasons I probably would of given up with digital and would be shooting everything with BW film… a bit sick of the time required to make a digital image look decent. So if you have any suggestions with how I should approach working my digital files I will be grateful.
    Yes that image was taken with a tripod only used it once since my injury, don’t miss it one bit. Standing in the water on one leg didn’t want to risk the camera by falling over… Goya´s black period! I hope you aren’t feeling disturbed :)

  512. There is no such thing beneath heavens as conditions favourable to art. Art must crash through or perish.
    Sylvia Ashton-Warner.

  513. Imants:

    A four inch shift may matter a great deal to an astro-photographer peering into infinity and at the earliest galaxies. But I suppose it would be at the mathematical limits of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle to be of any concern. Think of the focal length of those telescopes…and the reciprocity rule of shutter speeds! ;)))

    It may not effect most of us, but please consider the scientists on the Hawaiian mountains.

  514. a civilian-mass audience

    IMANTS…I LOVE THEM…
    hmmm…maybe u can make them with color…it will go with my chickens:)
    But as EVA says …don’t believe all you’re told…four inches…I measure…more than 10:)))))))

    ok…on a serious note now…

    I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLll…!!!

  515. a civilian-mass audience

    If you have just an hour to live…what will you photograph???

    think wisely…(if you can…)?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  516. Well, it’s the Saturday before St. Patrick’s Day and here in our happy little burg that can mean only one thing—actually, it could mean more than one thing, I suppose, but I would prefer not to confuse the issue here—it’s time yet again for the annual St. Patrick’s Day Charity Chug—a—Lug and Drunken Brawl. Yes, every year thousands of already drunken debauchees arrive here by the busload to imbibe vast amounts of green beer, a liquid that looks just as disgusting going down their gullets as it does coming back up and onto the sidewalk, and piss on our streets in the name of helping out some poor schmoe who usually spends the rest of the year apologizing to the neighbors for the damage the revelers did to their rose bushes. Roses are a pretty tough bunch, but there’s only so much alcohol and uric acid a rose bush can take before the ground goes totally toxic and the roses drop their petals, drop their thorns, and then just drop dead.

    But the Chug—a—Lug is a longstanding tradition hereabouts and I am sure that the local hepatologists must love it—there can be few sights as fiscally pleasing to the eye of a liver specialist than watching thousands of people willingly damaging their livers to the point where they will need medical assistance—just as much as our local gendarmerie must hate it. The Chug—a—Lug offers them little except a constant stream of complaints from the public about the behavior of the morons and the thankless task of trying to keep the more belligerent partiers from harming themselves, other partiers, and the indigenous population. This is not always possible, of course, and so the situation often requires the judicious use of pepper spray, German Shepherds, and tasers. Tasers, however, are not altogether effective, especially against the extremely inebriated, who seem to regard the electric shock as a somewhat unpleasant side effect of the vast amount of alcohol they have consumed and not as a warning to cease and desist their belligerency. Tasers complemented with a truncheon, on the other hand, do seem to work effectively. Extreme blunt force trauma will solve many a law-enforcement problem that sweet reasonableness will not.

    And, as you might imagine, the Chug—a—Lug offers the political class here no end of opportunities to bloviate, pontificate, and otherwise make themselves feel useful. The problems this annual bacchanal generates are the same every year—I’ve mentioned just a few of the tamer aspects up above—and every year the outraged populace demands that someone on the city council do something about the problem, and every year the city council, which seems to regard the outraged populace as a petty annoyance whose only goal in life is to disturb the city council’s monthly pinochle tournament, tells the outraged populace that something will be done about the problem next year. The city council will do nothing about the problem, of course, and so we can expect a major onset of déjà vu at about this time next year. The only reason we’re not getting déjà vu this year is because last year it rained like hell on the Chug—a—Lug and so most of the drunks stayed inside and urinated on each other instead wandering all over the cityscape in a stupor and peeing in people’s rose bushes.

    But for those of us old enough to remember, the Chug—a—Lug and its attendant debaucheries was also the setting of one of the worst outrages in the history of our happy little burg, the desecration of Billy Yank. For years—just how many years no one is quite sure of—a bronze statue of a Civil War soldier everyone called Billy Yank stood in front of the old City Hall, his eyes turned south in eternal contemplation of the march from Atlanta to the sea, at his feet a scroll listing every battle the county’s regiment had fought in from its first [Gettysburg] to its last [Bentonville]. We were all kind of proud of the old boy; no matter what changes came to our happy little burg there he stood, reminding us all that liberty and union were one and inseparable, now and forever. Generations of high school seniors had their class pictures taken in front of Billy and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that more than one local soldier has gone down to see Billy Yank just before they shipped out to take one more look at him and the scroll at his feet and hope that they’d come home in one piece just like Billy did.

    All that ended about thirty years ago. No one’s really sure how or why a gang of twelve Chug—a—Luggers from Connecticut decided that Billy had to go; they may have been peace activists manqué or a mob of Confederate sympathizers who, like the Japanese holdouts in the Pacific islands, never got the word that the war was over, or maybe they were just a bunch of stupid drunk kids who decided to do the sort of incredibly stupid thing that bunches of drunk kids decide to do—I’m partial to that last explanation myself—but they did decide he had to go, and so after the sun went down they rounded up some chains and a pick-up truck and in a burst of enthusiasm that left burnt tire tracks from the front of old City Hall to Main Street they pulled Billy off his plinth. I think that they were going to put Billy in the back of the pick-up and then chuck him into the river, but that plan didn’t work out as Billy weighed several hundred pounds and the twelve of them together couldn’t lift him into the pick-up. I should rephrase that, I think; the twelve of these knuckleheads working together could have easily lifted Billy into the pick-up, it’s just that coordinating the actions of twelve incredibly drunk morons in the dark is a much easier thing to say than to do. They started to drag Billy behind the pick-up, but at this point our crack crew of cops pulled up and arrested the lot of them for criminal mischief and trespassing and public drunkenness and being idiots from Connecticut. That last one used to be a capital offense here in the Vampire State, along with being an idiot from Jersey, but bleeding heart liberal types changed the laws back in 1938 for reasons I’m not sure I understand now. It may have had something to do with the Great Depression. In any case, Billy rested in a municipal warehouse for about fifteen years after his misadventure, but I am sure you’ll all be happy to know that he is back on his plinth, a much taller one this time, in the veterans’ plot at the local rural cemetery, on the slope of a hill where he still stands facing south towards Atlanta and the sea with the men who marched with him, and their sons and grandsons and great-grandsons resting in final peace at his feet.

  517. a civilian-mass audience

    AKAKY…when u have time…throw me the link…the one of the S.Patrick’s parade..

    ok,I have to start reading your post…I don’t know if I will make it tonight…11:48p.m

    Go BURNIAN,Go BURNIANS…!!!

  518. Akaky:

    Smiling? No…more like I am shooting out milk through my nose the way you write!

    You have put me in a mood for tomorrow’s St.Pat’s parade in Toronto. Many thanks.

  519. a civilian-mass audience

    Goodmorning BURNIANS…

    I am preparing home for Japanese civilians…
    I am preparing spirits…
    I am preparing packages…
    oime…
    I was not prepared for that kinda of destruction…

    Please,MY BURNIANS…keep shooting and don’t forget to prepare your inner souls…

    P.S AKAKY…I was prepared to see your vision…more soul :)))

  520. a civilian-mass audience

    remember …there is no time for meltdown…
    action, reaction…the Universe is evolving…hmmm…

    Evolution…revolution…I am an optimist!!!

  521. Akaky.. I wish I could photograph like you can write…

    Civi.. one hour of taking pics left or one hour of life left? Important detail to know to answer your question..

  522. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…good point…let me rephrase…:))))))))))
    hmmm…
    I can’t rephrase…one hour of life left…

    If you have just an hour to live…what will you photograph???

  523. Civi.. one pic of each of my kids, trying to capture why I love and am proud of them.. a pic with all together on selftimer.. then just hand over the cam to them… or something like that :)

  524. CIVI

    Of all the people I admire in the world, your name is at the top of my list. Your ongoing hospitality for those who are suffering the countless crises in these unsettled times is evidence of your deep connection with ALL peoples. Actions speak louder than words and your actions are the real thing. Bless you…

    Patricia

  525. a civilian-mass audience

    attention…Daylight Savings time…

    hmmm…no change for Grecolandia…not yet…
    the goverment took away the savings,the time and the daylight…
    But we are Optimists…!!!

    EVA…you sound like EVA,VIVA…yeap,since you have camera…put the selftimer and wait for me…:)))

    PAUL…you blend the sky and the waves…like my upside down eggs…:)

    I hope MR.HARVEY have found a new “room to destroy”…

  526. a civilian-mass audience

    OUR PATRICIA..I visited your place…BLOG…amazing…

    If I had more fingers and if I can read faster…I will be staying in your home forever!!!
    nice vision…you are a true BURNIAN…always!

    yes,we make arrangements…they will arrive soon…in your civilian’s house…
    I am not ready yet…I am still emotional attached with the family from Egypt…
    see…I have a sneaky purpose though…shhhhhhhhh
    I convert them all…after they leave the house…they all love PHOTOGRAPHY…hiiiii

    Peace,Love and PHOTOGRAPHY…OUR PATRICIA…you are a real Soul…
    thank you!!!

  527. a civilian-mass audience

    and please,keep working on “Young Musicians”…

    we are all sending the best wishes…
    OOO

  528. a civilian-mass audience

    “With love and patience, nothing is impossible.”
    Daisaku Ikeda (Japanese peace Activist and Buddhist Leader…)

    ok, we know MR.HARVEY is up in the air…we know IMANTS is shooting in his backyard…
    JEFF is getting ready for the Toronto’s parade,PAUL is shooting with one leg…
    EVA is buying more books…THODORIS is raising money…PANOS is going after tsunamies…
    OurPATRICIA is rocking…ROSSY,GORDON,AKAKY…oups, ou of battery
    so where is ANTONNNNNNNNN…and the rest of you…hope all g

  529. Grumble.. haven’t bought a book since .. ehm.. at least three or four days.. but been out taking pics of an omelette.. made with more than a thousand eggs..talk about leftovers.. openair and was raining too.. must go and find a dry and warm place.. eeeeciuuuuuu..

  530. a civilian-mass audience

    GORDON is that you laughing…???
    if it’s you…good job MARTHA…!!!

    LEVEL4 NUCLEAR Accident…I believe, I trust my Japanese people…

    A family will come over…we have problem with logistics…BUT we will overcome!!!

    EVA…when I hear you have rain there…then I know I am next…hmm…
    WE ARE ALL ONE…and don’t even think to tell me … otherwise:)!!

  531. Well, to make the short story long, one of my new FB friends is EMILYG…she is one of you…I think she lives somewhere in South US…and she is ready to get BURNED…
    EMILY and all of you…(u know your names) u may come in…we live under a “BURNING” tent…so don’t look for a door…ouzo and olives on me!!

    Civi, glad to have you as one of my new FB friends – such a generosity of spirit!

    I don’t know if I qualify as an “emerging” photographer, but I do love burn!

    I’m going to be in the Look3 workshop with Christopher Anderson. Anyone else here going to be in it? Any advice on preparing for it? I think I’m crazy for doing it, but I think of two mantras: “You need to aim beyond what you are capable of.” and “Try to do the things that you’re incapable of.”

    And with that, Civi, I am here – I will take the olives!

  532. a civilian-mass audience

    AMELIE…EMILY…you are here!!!!!!!!!

    you did it…welcome my BURNIAN…we are all guests here…just souls trying to find some…
    LOVE,PEACE and PHOTOGRAPHY…and olives,ouzo,hugs,dreams…

    OIME…and to all my other friends…come over…cause BURN is the place to BE!!!

    AMELIE…some BURNIANS are shooting,some are “fighting”,some are going to sleep…we are in and out
    BUT no worries…Enjoy the ride…:)))

  533. Civi

    Yes that’s me.

    I was reminded of you while reading an interview with Krishna Das this morning in The Sun magazine.

    “We’re all in this soup. In in it too, just swimming around with all the vegetables and the noodles and bumping into peas and carrots. Like you, I’m trying to get out of the soup, but after a while it’s not so bad. We can float and wiggle our toes and throw vegetables at each other………I’ll wake up in the morning and start worrying about the day, and then I’ll think. Whoa. All I have to do is sing.”

  534. CIVI, I dont know if that video has more soul than mine [I’ll repost it when I get the chance] but it does have an excellent shot of my bald spot.

  535. Dancing like a maniac right now! Well, like a grinning idiot! :-D I just set up a private file transfer protocol for some work. Building a slideshow for one of my favourite photographers on the planet (as in, one of my top 3), hopefully the start of a longer-term relationship. Also been prepping the back end of my website, so that should be ready to go soon. Said ‘tog has requested to see it, so the fire is doubly lit now. I’m humbled yet psyched to be getting a little tutelage or feedback. It is now exactly 6 months since I began making pictures with a camera, and I feel my progression has been ridiculous, although I still have so much to learn, so much further to grow, but every day is a delight. :-D And I have photobooks in the post, winging their way to me, too! Life is very good indeed! :-D :-D :-D :-D

  536. a civilian-mass audience

    AKAKY,your vision has soul…and I don’t see bold spots…I only see clean facesclean all around faces…:)!

    GORDON…hiii…I love your life…I will definitely sing later:)

    FRAMERS…I am gonna need an L:) from Liverpool!!!
    Enjoy the journey with your website…I can wait…!

    I am so proud of you…ALL of you…I didn’t know we have a boy down in Libya…oime
    MICHAEL.C.BROWN…you know what they say…if you see one cockroach…the whole family is around
    Be safe my friend…speechless,bravo!

    Be safe All of you…once a BURNIAN …always a BURNIAN…!!!

    P.S last night i had beans…the giant ones…oime,I have more trust in my Japanese people with Fukushima than my stomach full of beans…hmmm

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    AKAKY…IRL AKAKY…damnit…you did manage to hit the 900 post again…
    and if PANOS is right…then I am in a big trouble…
    no time to finish all my projects and keep BURNING…
    BUT
    we shall overcome…

    Goodmorning and Goodnight…
    from your civi full of B…eans:)))!!!

  538. amelie.. hi there.. I guess we’re all a bit crazy around here, so you just fit in nicely.. enjoy the ride ;))

  539. Framers; Good on you! Nothing like a dose of positivity; cos everyone else can feed off it too, and then pass it on in turn!

    I’m busy writing punishment lines on the blackboard; “I will not buy more books, I will not buy more books….” Just scored 3 used William Faulkner paperbacks at a very el-cheapo price. Now begins my initial foray into Faulkner… :-)

  540. Eva…

    Yes I have finally begun to look through “Sightwalk”… I’ve spent a couple of nights drinking my evening milkshake with “Sightwalk” beside me. Just in case anyone´s interested the milkshake is basically local strawberry youghurt mixed with 2 apples, 3 pears 2 squeezed oranges, 2 bananas and if I am lucky and the kids haven’t raided the fridge a fistful of enormous fresh strawberries. I drink this every night except Sundays! :))

    Anyway back to the book… Personally it is quite different from any other photography book I’ve ever purchased or looked through… design wise at least. I was struggling looking for an overall theme throughout the book and I’m not sure I’ve found it… Anyway it seems like a visual exploration of everything round him with colour and the quality of the light being a very important part of his hotel reconnaissance. A couple of photos seem to be outside, so maybe he did gather enough courage to move out. I’m beginning to be very fond of this book and it isn’t very far removed from some kind of things I was exploring a couple of months ago. At any rate this book has cleared some essay/theme doubts I’ve been suffering lately!

  541. @Eva – LOL, thank you. It is also nice to see some other compulsive book buyers. I alternate shipping mine to different addresses after the UPS driver politely inquired what I was ordering on a consistent basis then thanked me for the additional job security. :o What are your must-have photo books??

    @Paul – Hi to you too! Faulkner is a good choice – I live near Rowan Oak (the Faulkner family home), and as soon as the oaks have some nice foliage, I plan on going over and doing a small essayish piece of sorts. I know how I’d like for it to turn out, but getting it there is always the challenge!

  542. a civilian-mass audience

    SORRY To interrupt…

    MICHAEL C.BROWN got shot…are we serious???
    I need full med report. Does he need blood, transfer in Greece…?
    oime…I need more spirits…

    M.C.B…stay strong…help is just above Med sea …

  543. Amelie… must-have? Trust me, you don’t want me to really start this.. by tomorrow you’ll still sitting here and reading (and me typing ;) ).. right now I’m knee-deep in three of Cristina García Rodero’s books.. I guess, it also depends on what you are attracted to..

    “I know how I’d like for it to turn out, but getting it there is always the challenge!”

    Now that is something I can relate to, very well..

    Paul… you make me curious.. wondering where my copy is now..Italian snail mail.. ugh..

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    Yeap…AMELIE…you don’t want EVA,VIVA to start this…hiii

    MARCIN…hey mate…Happy Birthday…
    and PATRICIOM…I am late But the same goes for you…

    The Circle of Life
    the circle of Friends
    be safe…out there…

    LOVE YOU ALLLLLLL…

  545. Amelie…

    Actually it seems Ross and I have the same tastes in authors and funnily enough last Friday I was also searching for my first Faulkner novel.
    Yes most of us round here are compulsive photo book buyers.

  546. Eva…

    Try ordering from Amazon UK. Free postage included to Spain…ordered on Thursday Alex Majoli and Magnum Stories and the local Spanish version of UPS says it will arrive this afternoon! Probably won’t get it till tomorrow, as I’m out all afternoon at doctors and sightwalking!

  547. Paul.. I often do.. no free shipping to Italy tough and I live up a hill out in the boonies, so everything is always late, even me when arriving home..

  548. Eva…

    Check Amazon UK just in case…can’t see why Spain would be any different than Italy. Maybe it’s some special offer, anyway free postage and only 4 days wait is pretty good.

  549. CIVI and ROSS – thanks guys! I’m super stoked right now. :-D Just gotta keep growing though!

    ROSS – buy those books! buy those books! buy those books! buy those books! buy those books!

    AMELIE – greta story!!

  550. Paul.. thanks! Checked.. and changed at least on the preordered and not yet dispatched orders.. delivery times don’t change, but saving 3 € a book it’s 3 € I can spend otherwise.. I owe you..some 3 €s ;)

  551. Framers Intent…

    Been wading through your blog, you’re doing very well if you’ve only just picked up a camera 6 months ago…especially the bus series :) it’s a pity one has to sign up to leave a comment…

  552. CIVI – please do, I’ll just tune my guitar and I can back you ;-P

    PAUL – many thanks, I’m waiting on the supposed reprint of his 3-book set. I want that quite badly. Word is, Tom Wood also has a 3-book set coming out with Steidl this Autumn/Fall – a definite purchase for me!

    Thanks for the comment about my flickr images, too. I’m trying to edit down and get rid of the rubbish, so my site will just have a handful of the images on there. Flickr has its positives and its negatives, as I’m sure you can guess. I started making photos in the last week or so of August 2010. Before that, I made some pictures of my nephews and niece for my dad back in 2004, as he couldn’t get down to where they lived, he was too ill to travel, so I tried to make photographs that showed some of their personalities, and not just a simple group pose image. The fire was lit then, in a big way, but it took me until last year to get a little bit of equipment and (more importantly) some time to dig into it. So, yeah, since August/September 2010. I was lucky to help out on a 3-speedlight test shoot last week, and I’m eager to try out a little strobe work myself. I used to work a lampy in music and theatre gigs, so it annoys me when the feeble British wether doesn’t give me Trent Parke-style lighting opportunities… ;-P

  553. And yeah, the bus series is the one I’m working on the most. Trying to capture a feeling of how it’s a transitional space, and the tension between it being a public space yet a space where we all carve out our own private worlds. I haven’t made it easy on myself at all, haha. I have two new projects I’m trying to plan to shoot over the summer as well, and I’m looking forward to those.

    I want to shoot a comparative street/docu project on Liverpool and Manchester. I’m thinking I’ll stick with colour, but Parke and Kalvar (possibly my two biggest photo-inspirations, tho Davidson-Manos-DAH all have me pining for colour quite badly…) are tempting me towards black and white. We’ll see. Maybe I’ll try both. B&W lends itself to a more surreal edge being a prominent feature, in my limited experience.

    My other project is to do with hip hop and some specific subcultures of it within Britain. I know a few people, but it all rests on whether I can get down to London enough to shoot it. It also ties in a little with some non-hip hop stuff I’m fond of and could see myself working on in the future, as well.

    I’ll let you know how I get on with both. Fingers crossed I can make them happen. I’m drawing up a list of sofas I might be able to crash on in London as I type!

  554. My bad! I just spotted it! In an idiot moment, I glanced at the price and browsed over it thinking it was another out of print book. Silly me! I’ll get on that asap, just gotta find some funds (working on it). I didn’t expect it to be out again so soon! Going to Derby for Format has left me quite broke, but the end of the month should be good for it. Thanks!

  555. Straight up? Nice, tell her I said she rocks. I have one of her albums, the one she did with Double Trouble. She’s underrated, at least over in the UK. Guitarist magazine should really do a feature on her on something. Their editor, Neville, is a total blues head, so he’d be inclined to consider it. :-)

    Love the blues. :-D

  556. I will let her know….
    she has definitely lived the ‘Blues Life’
    thats for sure….
    She rocks….
    She is an amazing woman and
    musician….
    just like her daddy was…..
    *

  557. Framers Intent…

    Is that SRV’s Double Trouble you were commenting about?
    There are lot of great underrated guitarists out there, just look at Frank Marino…

  558. Paul – yep, SRV’s Double Trouble. Debbie Davies recorded an album with them in the 90s (if memory serves me, I bought it long after it was released so could be wrong). Jeff Beck and Jim Hall were always idols for me, so much attitude from one, exquisite taste from the other. Or vice versa, depending on the track. ;-)

  559. Well I’m so in love with guitar I’ve got countless guitarists I am a fan of…including the two you’ve mentioned but above of all my god is Jimi Hendrix blew my head off at the age of eight made me start playing the guitar and he blows me away at the age of 38. Band of Gypsies Xmas Eve 69 or 70? “Machine Gun” The guitar solo stills sounds up to date and just as powerful…

  560. Think it was 70 (haha, like I’d know, I was -14 then!). My favourite Hendrix tune. Grant Green and Kurt Rosenwinkel are both worth checking, imvh. Green grooves like a fiend. Just tried playing some guitar (I haven’t played since the summer due to an injury) and it’s frustrating how stiff I feel. Gotta keep on top of my physio, but it’ll be another 6 months or so before I can get back to it properly. But we should jam at Burn’s 3rd birthday party! Or burn’s 4th, if I’ve been really rubbish at counting… ;-P

  561. CIVI can handle the vocals. We’d just need bass and drums. We can audition for those, tho. Hold it as a contest even. I’m just brainstorming here, but we could call it something like Burn Factor, to make it really stand out.

  562. Congratulations to Bruce Davidson, by the way – just saw this in my second email acc (the one I never check)

    Outstanding Contribution to Photography Award Recipient
    Bruce Davidson is to receive the Outstanding Contribution to Photography Award at this year’s Sony World Photography Awards. He will be honoured at Gala Ceremony at the Odeon Leicester Square in London on Wednesday 27 April amongst leading figures of the international photography community. An exhibition of his work will be shown as part of the World Photography Festival at Somerset House in London.

    Sweet!

  563. a civilian-mass audience

    FRAMERS…
    oime…civi can only handle the …Bar section…hicks
    BURNIANS don’t do well …in auditions
    they suffer from stage freeze :))) or they might need more discipline…
    rock on JG!

    WENDY…hope you are making a film or a book for your cousin!!!…
    I want mine signed !

  564. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…everyday something …you are a multitask indeed…
    you are an Englishman …in Spain…
    rock on too…!!!

    ok, extremely tired…zzzz-zzz-top…
    rooster is already rocking…What the BURN,WTB…hmmm…
    I know what I will have for lunch…oime

  565. CIVI – then you can be the glitzy back up singer to DAH’s lead vocals. I’m sewing your purple sequinned dress as I type! Just practice your vogueing, and you’ll be just fine! ;-P

  566. No big deal, but does anyone else experience a freezing of the BURN page as I do? Everytime I log on it, it takes a few seconds before it sets in and I can use the browzer up and down.

  567. DAH mentioned there were a few instances of crashing last week due to overwhelming traffic. They were working on fix and it seems better. maybe that’s still a part of it?

  568. Las Guitarristas:

    For sheer fun factor, North Carolina’s own Unknown Hinson is my favorite guitarist. He performs as a Country-Western Troubadour Vampire (yes!), but the dude can PLAY! Saw him live in 2008 – he puts his heart in performing. Just check out YouTube – his “Voodoo Chile” renditions are great. He also performs under his real name “Daniel Baker” with Billy Bob Thornton and The Boxmasters (yes, that Billy Bob).

    Paul: I owe you an e-mail soon, my friend…

  569. It’s like the pictures/essays take a while to load?
    ——-

    Well, Michael, I’d say not really, more like the page is dead still like when we get the “network not responding” sign, but only a few seconds really.

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    DQ…no MR.LANKER didn’t die…he just exited…!!!
    may strength and courage be with his friends and family…and with All of us…!!!

    MK,HERVE…My BURN is loading much better…BUT what can I say …
    Greece is running fast…i don’t know in which way though…oime:!

    I will be back…
    faster than you think…;)

  571. Framer´s Intent…

    Well I wasn’t born in 1970 either!

    If you ever meet anyone who ever has any doubt about the influence and power of Hendrix’s music, songwriting, guitar solos just put on this CD… Jimi Hendrix
    http://www.amazon.com/Jimi-Hendrix-Concerts/dp/B000008GI3/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300178351&sr=8-1

    For any guitar fan it is a must have album I’ve had an LP version since I was 9 years old and I finally bought on it CD and I must buy another just in case it wears out. Listen especially to his Stone Free version it as amazing and remember we’re talking about a guy who died 41 years ago.

  572. John Gladdy…

    Exquisite taste in guitarists and extremely esoteric makes me wonder if you also play the guitar…hmm or you’ve spent time with guitarists!
    Frank Zappa what a genius, Steve Vai was in his band for a couple of years. Although many guitarist don’t acknowledge it, he (I’m smiling)”quietly” influenced many of todays shredders.

    Al di Meola great technique I’ve most of his albums at home but I must admit I’m not a diehard fan of his… Have you heard of Frank Gambale?

    Saw Paco de Lucia 2 years ago, over here… the Maestro!! I suppose everybody has listened to “Friday Night in San Francisco”…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaCZ106b5w&feature=fvsr

    Saw Robert Fripp live….
    I should be somewhere round there in this video… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlXqNs0ykcE&playnext=1&list=PL5CA8F2A93E1AE6A2

    Rory Gallagher I think it’s about time I pulled out some of his album I’ve got stuffed away!

    caleb quaye? Never heard of him so thank you very much I’ll start searching for him once I get home from Hospital

  573. Justin…

    I’ll take a look at that voodoo chile when I get home!
    Don’t worry about the email… the week has only just started!!!!

  574. michael kircher…

    I love shred guitarists!! Just didn’t know if anyone else felt the same way…smiling

    Anyway here is my wife´s favourite Steve Vai song…

  575. Hendrix did it for me as a teenager, and his Albert Hall performance of “Voodoo Chile” (In The West album) remains my favourite guitar performance, unequalled by anything, or anyone. In my 30s I developed a love for violin music, and Niccolo Paganini’s 24 Caprices written almost 200 years before Jimi, almost makes me believe in the concept of re-incarnation.

    Alexander Markov performing the 24th Caprice…after over an hour of performing the full set:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPM2LIStXPE

    Talk about shredding!

  576. What have I started? Uh oh…

    I love Via’s passion for music and I respect him greatly, but I just don’t feel most of his music at all.

    On the other hand, John Scofield grooves like a fiend, and Pat Martino’s Blue Bossa is sublime. But I gott call it for Vai’s inspiration, Jeff Beck, and Jeff’s inspiration (and many others’ inspiration) Hubert Sumlin (Howlin’ Wolf’s guitarist, you know that riff of I Aint Superstitious? That really sick riff? Yup, that’s Hubert baby). Love Zappa and Cpt Beefheart to, though. Beffheart’s guitarist Zoot Horn Rollo was more than a little bit mad.

  577. Framers Intent…

    No worries you’ve started nothing this started a couple of weekends ago when we were all comparing our guitar collections :)

    I’m lucky I begun studying classical harmony from a young age and then I went on to study Jazz Harmony at Music college and that helps…Opens your mind so much…. there are very few genres of music I don’t relate to in some way or another.

    I can sit as happily listening to Steve Vai, Robert Johnson’s “Me and the Devil Blues” or Arvo Part
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MCHI23FTP8&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8P9IxvRqjo
    or what the hell even this guy who I saw once live at a nightclub… and it was AMAZING :)))

  578. michael kircher…

    Yes my wife does have a refined taste in music… she is currently practising with the choir she sings with… Their next concert should be sometime in spring up in Germany… with the German Philharmonic Orchestra. But there is a good chance she won’t be able to go thanks to my damn foot injury… I want her to go, it’s not everyday one gets to sings with the German Philharmonic Orchestra but I can’t walk…on crutches all day long.

  579. Jeff Hladun…

    Loved the link you left on Vissaria’s essay absolutely brilliant.
    Here goes, hope you like this guitarist he is one hell of a legend and was married to Hendrix’s last girlfriend the guy is good very good….

  580. Ok last one… Probably the god of shred.
    This guy gets a lot of stick for being so technical but there is a lot more to his music than many hear…
    Some people accuse him of being an asshole…
    In ’89 I headed of at the ripe age 17 up to Hammersmith Odeon (Think it is called the Apollo now) and saw him live, amazing.
    The greatest thing of all after the concert he spent well over an hour with all the fans outside chatting, signing autographs and talking about his favourite groups and influences like one more guitar fanatic.
    Then I saw him once again with my wife in Xmas95 in Barcelona and that was even better sat outside in the freezing cold and chatted and taught my friends and I some guitar tricks… he actually set-up my best friend’s new Strat which he brought along to be signed…
    And Framer’s Intent this guy is fast but I’ve sat next to him playing in a carpark and he can play some very very slow beautiful blues… A very nice person.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWLnanjRH78
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1stELN3qs&feature=related

    No more guitar from me!!

  581. Paul… ‘Sightwalk’ arrived.. going to sit down with it.. just skimming through while unpacking the need of colour comes up..

  582. Haha, it isn’t Vai’s speed that I don’t like, just don’t feel his style is all. I respect his skills and passion, it just doesn’t resonate with me musically.

    More later – gotta dash. But please do check those Japan Charity links, some good people trying to do some good in that group.

    Peace

  583. Regarding camera phones being used so extensively in battle zones and being adopted by so many photographers…I wonder if established cameras manufacturers regard this as some new passing fad or are they perhaps beginning to worry…

  584. a civilian-mass audience

    My photophilosophere…when everyone is trying to get out …YOu are going in…

    busy,busy like a bee…
    don’t change this channel…I will be back to check you out…

  585. Regarding using an I-phone app and that it makes the “style” more important (or noticeable) than the content; the same could be said for black and white. It probably makes more of a statement than an I-phone app, but is it more acceptable just because it is a traditional method that has been around since the beginning? Just thinking out loud! :-)

  586. Yes to Ross, yes to Herve and yes to Panos… all guts and hot, hot soul.
    Can’t see the youtube links reading and writing from my mobile…
    Would these guys be the Anders Petersens of rock?

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    yiooohooooo….PANOS,my Greek boy…you did it…1000 !
    AKAKY…you know I love you,mate…but credit when credit is due:)))))))))))))))))))))

    ok,back to whatever program is in progress…

  588. a civilian-mass audience

    Goodnight PAUL…
    hmmm…it smells in here…sweat,booze and FIREEEEEEEE…

  589. “Wings of Mercy” by James Nachtwey

    http://lightbox.time.com/2011/02/24/wings-of-mercy/#1

    General William Tecumseh Sherman got it right. War is hell. But even within the cruelty of war, there exists mercy.

    Across a dusty field, two U.S. Marines walk toward a helicopter, each carrying a bloodied and bandaged child. They hold the children as if they were their own. Although at this moment they appear as saviors, a few minutes earlier, they had called in air support in response to enemy fire. The shooter was among children, however (a fact that I have to believe was not known to the Marines), and two were seriously wounded by fragments from machine-gun rounds.

    Innocent people are caught in the cross fire in all wars. That’s reality. The two Marines never signed up to hurt kids, and in the shock and confusion, their default reaction was to be protective of the children they indirectly had a hand in wounding. The kids were not left to die, as they might have been in another time and another place by other armies. Instead, a U.S. Army air-ambulance medevac crew was dispatched to fly them to the same medical facility that treats American casualties. If the shooter had survived, he too would have been helped.

    Another snapshot from hell, another dusty field. This time it’s a Marine being carried on a litter–a young man, both his legs gone, blown off by an IED, the signature weapon of the war. The flight medic works with fierce concentration while the crew chief talks to the Marine, keeping him from passing out so he can help fight for his life as he toughs out the pain. The medevac company has as its symbol a pair of angel wings. It is seemingly not fashioned from feathers but carved out of a hard composite of brass and grit.

    -James Nachtwey

    Read more: http://lightbox.time.com/2011/02/24/wings-of-mercy/#ixzz1Gi3EMuZl

  590. http://emphas.is/web/guest/discoverprojects?projectID=1

    shall we have a push for matt.. ?
    i think it’s one of the most interesting projects up, asking a reasonable amount of money and certainly one which will have interesting updates.. because he is funny..
    a mix tape for a reward?

    it’s in all our interests to see emphas.is work..
    anyone else funding anyone?
    be interesting to see how the updates go.

    anyone proposing a project?

  591. Don’t know if anyone saw, or more importantly, managed to slog through Errol Morris’s five part piece in the NY Times about the questions of whether truth is relative or absolute. In it he referenced a Jorge Luis Borges story which I think is relevant to the style question people are discussing in the Libyan thread. The narrator of the story “Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote” argues that a writer who copied “Don Quixote” word for word created an entirely different work.

    “Pierre Menard did not want to compose another Quixote, which surely is easy enough — he wanted to compose the Quixote. . Nor, surely, need one be obliged to note that his goal was never a mechanical transcription of the original; he had no intention of copying it. His admirable ambition was to produce a number of pages which coincided– word for word and line for line — with those of Miguel de Cervantes…

    Being somehow, Cervantes, and arriving thereby at the Quixote — that looked to Menard less challenging (and therefore less interesting) than continuing to be Pierre Menard and coming to the Quixote through the experiences of Pierre Menard.”

    Somehow that strikes me as similar to using an app that copies the style of a particular camera and telling yourself you’re doing something original.

    May sound harsh, I know, and I’m not exactly wedded to the idea, and can even read it in such a way that Borges is saying that what Menard is doing is legitimate, but the argument strikes me as one that contains some truths, both ways.

    Hope that clears it up.

  592. I mean, we’re talking about a Borges story, so it’s difficult to enunciate, took Errol Morris, no slouch five long installments to get the point across. So lordy help me.

    The relevant question would be, did everyone who used kodachrome with blah blah blah settings and took the same picture of the same subject in the same light copy each other? Even though they saw different things? Had different intentions?

  593. Or if you want a question more in tune with the current thread, would Jimi Hendrix sound just as good if he were playing on a toy guitar as his signature stratocaster?

  594. So in summation: would Jimi Hendrix be as good on an iphone app as he was on a statocaster? Would Cartier-Bresson be as good with a camera phone as he was with a Leica?

    Seriously…

  595. ROSS – I feel you to an extent, tho I do think Kalvar had a point about b&w being a “further abstraction” from reality. So I think some b&w has merit, tho it does tend to be the “go to” for some people who “want to look artsy”. As with anything, if the content isn’t there, it’s a nothing image. if the content is there, it can overcome any constraints, tho the constraints may limit its scope.Or something (tired and drunk…)

  596. MICHAEL W – Joe Pass was playing his guitar for an interviewer. He puts the guitar down, and the interviewer says “that’s a great sounding guitar.” Pass looks at him and says, deadpan, “oh yeah? and how does it sound now?”

    Sorry, posted my last somehow missing this whole last page of posts!

    More tomorrow, I am in really dire need of sleep (and need an early morning to shoot for CIVI’s workshop)

  597. Yea FI, but it’s not about whether he’s playing or not, it’s about what he’s playing with when he’s playing. Why do classical violists worship instruments made by Stradivarius? Is that just a snob thing? Or do they permit those who can take advantage of it a wider range of artistic expression?

  598. Everything has its own rules, I think. But talent will out. Sometimes, the lo-fi supports or enhances the vision. Other times, it holds it back. But a bad photo on a great camera will always be a bad photo. And the photo you didn’t make will always be a bad photo, by virtue of not having been made. In some circles, the gear matters. But even in those circles, talent gets spotted and given some kind of chance, no matter the gear.

  599. Framer

    Love the quote.
    MICHAEL W – Joe Pass was playing his guitar for an interviewer. He puts the guitar down, and the interviewer says “that’s a great sounding guitar.” Pass looks at him and says, deadpan, “oh yeah? and how does it sound now?”

    A few years ago I was at a wooden flute festival studying with Jean-Michelle Viellon. Jean-Michelle loved to try out different flutes, and as there were many students there from all over the world, there were a great variety of wooden flutes. No matter which flute he picked up, from the most expensive to the most humble, he invariably sounded like Jean-Michelle.

    One of the things I like about the current essay is that it illustrates how irrelevant the gear a photographer uses is.
    One of the traps, speaking of traps, that aspiring photographer fall into is the gear trap. The idea that more and better, more expensive, more exotic gear will make their photographs better. Not to get me wrong, I love all that stuff, and have way too much of it. But when push comes to shove, many of the photographs I value the most are taken with very simple gear, usually my entry level Rebel XS. While I have a pile of fancier gear, I could easily make my living with the little XS, the kit lens, and the plastic mount 50mm f1.8 lens.

    Another quote I like, can’t remmember who said it “Whatever camera you have in your hands now is a way better camera than you are a photographer.”

  600. a civilian-mass audience

    to make my bean soup…I need the best ingredients…no kidding
    my bean pot…doesn’t have to be from a signature line…
    BUT yes…I would love a non-stick 50 years quarrantee on my stove
    and I make a killer …B.S…oup !

    FRAMERS…keep working…I have to look good…:))))))))

    keep shooting my BURNIANS…

    and I will copy and paste from MR.VINK’S new website:
    “In front of Mother Nature Mankind fails… Always…
    Be strong Japan…”
    and yes the ‘Stop Eviction Night’ at Meta House… was a rock on event…Viva !!!

    P.S Where are my BURNIAN ladies…EVA…KATIEEEEEEEEEE,myGRACIE,ourPATRICIA,LEE,LASSAL,EMCD,AUDREY,
    WENDY,VALERY,SOFIA,KATHARINA,CATHY,KATIA,AMELIE,KERRY,LAURA…and…and…I can wait…

  601. a civilian-mass audience

    and if you give me an M9 or M10…
    I will produce the best B.S pictures…quarranteed …:)))

    ok,pouf all clear…

  602. Regarding Emphas.is, those who have backed, can you tell if there’s a way not to be displayed on the site when backing? I’ve tried to ask them, but gotten no answer so far.. Thanks!

  603. JOHN V

    i looked closely at “Besieged” because of the story and “via panam” because a non-photographer friend of mine once made a similar journey..

    ultimately, i can’t afford to spend much and so will be contributing to lower-budgeted projects where smaller contributions are more effective.. (although besieged is a low budget project when considered per-photographer).

    i’m looking forward to seeing how matt works..

    EVA

    i wonder if that is your comment on the emphas/is blog about anonymity for people donating?
    if so – i wonder if you could just use a pseudonym for your screen name and leave the profile spaces blank? i think all other information can be kept private..

  604. EVA

    i think your “anonymous” idea is a very good one, and since the site is in BETA mode perhaps they will consider putting in a tick-box to provide it?
    ..
    right now i would guess it is about letting the software “settle in” and gathering feedback.

    the site is working great – 15000usd in one week.. and the idea of a publication funding 50% or more of a project to get first publication rights is brilliant.

  605. David.. morning.. yes, that’s me.. have no idea about the screen name being different than with what I sign up with, didn’t go further, since I didn’t know what was showing up.. I’m waiting for somebody to answer.. I know on Kickstarter the amount doesn’t show up near the name..

  606. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA,VIVA…no clue…they don’t accept Greek currency:(
    not yet…

    DAVIDB…I don’t believe me either…;)

    yoho,yoho…the pirate’s life for me…ok,I won’t sing today…quarrantee:)))

    BUT I LOVE YOU ALLLLLL…
    will the person goes by the name DAH …feed the twitter…just thinking out loud…

  607. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA..you are Italian…ready-mix…would be an insult…:)))
    it’s forbidden in your civilian’s house…

  608. mw… Refering to Hendrix it all comes down to having something to say. It would of not mattered where with what and with who… he would of shined through. He had too much to say…the same with all creative arts… of course good instruments just make life easier but if its an imperative within you to say/express something whether it be good or bad feelings the actual messages will come out.

  609. Eva…
    How did ”Sightwalk” go? Alex Majoli’s ”Libera me” hmmm i’m not too sure…
    Anyway off swimming…

  610. a civilian-mass audience

    Goodmorning and goodnight…
    do you know if my Japanese friends would like fish or chicken better…hmmm…?

    EVA…I am not a good cook,nope,nada…I have the basic skills (survivor style) though…
    among my greek friends I am not doing good BUT,BUT my food has Soul,good vibes and lot’s of
    energy…hiiiii…

    off swimming with PAUL…”EVA wanna come ?:)
    anyway, we are “piigs…we better start “swimming”…

    LOVE YOU ALLLL…I will be late today…be safe ,risk everything…
    Antifasis, I don’t think so…:))))))

  611. Refering to Hendrix it all comes down to having something to say. It would of not mattered where with what and with who… he would of shined through. He had too much to say…the same with all creative arts… the actual messages will come out.

    That is only true to a very limited extent. Hendrix had something to say but his voice was an electric guitar. If acoustic were the only technology available, or Garage Band, there’s no possible way he could have said the things he said.

    The problem with the “all gear is equal it’s all a question of the operator” theory is that it’s just not supported by the scientific facts. Of course as artists we can do whatever we want, but as journalists or reality documenting essayists we can too often say a lot more of what we have to say when we can see further into the shadows and make choices on how we want to expose or focus on various elements within a scene.

    Now that’s not to say that there’s anything wrong with a photo or song or whatever produced with simple equipment. Of course it’s the final creation that counts, not the gear. I’m just saying that with better gear, be it camera, electric guitar, or handmade Italian violin, the artist will have the possibility of a much wider range of creative expression. If he or she has something difficult to say, he or she will more likely have a voice equal to the task.

    Regarding photojournalism and camera phones, I think they’re great and am thankful we (humans) now have tools that allow us to show and to see so much more of what’s really happening in this world.

  612. “That is only true to a very limited extent. Hendrix had something to say but his voice was an electric guitar. If acoustic were the only technology available, or Garage Band, there’s no possible way he could have said the things he said.”

    He may have just said different things in a different way. Things that were equally or more important or impressive as the things we know he actually did say… of course, he may never have said a thing at all. Ya never know.

    And I’m not sure I saw anyone say that “all gear [was] equal”. (I may have missed it.) I think the main point is that people can and do produce great work with simple and complex equipment. I don’t see the point of denigrating or sniffing haughtily at one or the other.

  613. mw…
    Lets see…if we cut out the whammy bar antics-the dive bombs, the feedback and perhaps the sustain he pulled out of those strats and marshall amps the rest is basically based on musical notes…and in his case solo wise 95% based on the pentatonic scale. BTW he was also whirlwind rhythm guitarist just listen to his version of ”Killing Floor”… I don’t know but have you ever heard ”Little Wing”? Can’t get more Hendrix sounding than that and that can be played perfectly well on an acoustic…in fact there should be on youtube the acoustic version of ”Hear my train comin’ ” can’t link, on my mobile watching kids.

  614. mw…
    BTW i am an absolute fanatic of Hendrix…got everything, bootlegs on LP, very limited edition CDs, I even collect different versions of his live tunes. If it ever has been on sale I probably have it…i’m not joking. I even met one of the forensic doctors who perfomed his autopsy…i’ve got an old Mallorcan client who was an intimate friend of Hendrix…increadible but true…it seems Hendrix not only came to the island to play a couple of times it seems he also came over to get away…read ALL the biographies…if anyone out there has the legendary, much rumoured and practically urban street myth concert recording of Hendrix playing a once only blues tune-guitar solo the night Martin Luther King died… i’m interested…smiling.

  615. Lot of “if’s” Paul. If you pull all the feathers off a chicken and gut it, all you got left’s a bag of bones.

    I don’t see the point of denigrating or sniffing haughtily at one or the other.

    Yea, me neither, and I don’t see that anyone’s done that here.

  616. I don’t remember having denigrated anyone?
    Well of course it’s full of ‘ifs’ everywhere, he’s dead, too quickly too early.
    I’m not trying to prove anything my opinion is equal to anyone else…just very intense fan of Hendrix.

  617. Watching on news on television…rare event in my case. Images of Japan horrifying one thing is reading online newspapers and another is seeing videos!
    Libya as usual nobody helping those poor rebels…shame on Europe

  618. Herve…

    Ok! Shame on the whole wide world. Yes and you’re quite right where is Egypt? Don’t wait standing up for some decent reaction from China and Russia!

  619. “Yea, me neither, and I don’t see that anyone’s done that here.”

    Sorry, I seem to recall past discussions with you saying things like “cookie cutter,” “unimaginative,” “just a toy,” when you last discussed iphone photography. And even your suggestion that people are arguing that “all gear is equal” seems to me somewhat derisive. But, OK, maybe all that taken together doesn’t mean you’re actually being dismissive. My mistake then. ;^}

  620. “but it’s not about whether he’s playing or not, it’s about what he’s playing with when he’s playing. Why do classical violists worship instruments made by Stradivarius? Is that just a snob thing? Or do they permit those who can take advantage of it a wider range of artistic expression?”
    MW…I find it hard to believe you don’t know the reasons why the greatest play Stradivarius violins!!!
    Because Stradivarius violins generally sound better, like many 60s and 50s Strats…but not all 50s and 60s Strats. In fact my ’65 Strat sounds better than practically all modern Strats. I used to work in a guitar shop took me 3 years to find a modern Strat that was reasonably close to the ’65. At least three or four Strats came into the shop per month and I used to try every single one out. But that ’65 is in a much uglier worn-out state than other vintage Strats I’ve seen, so it’s worth a lot less, it isn’t in mint state. Although it is much harder to play than my newer Strat… probably the same with a Stradivarius, technology does have it’s advantages.Nothing to do with an artistic expression advantage, unless sounding more beautiful and powerful gives you an advantage apart from sound.

  621. ” Russian nuclear accident specialist Iouli Andreyev tells Reuters, before noting that released radiation from spent fuel rods stored close to reactors at Fukushima looked like an example of putting profit before safety.

    “The Japanese were very greedy,
    VERY GREEDY…
    and they used every square inch of the space. But when you have a dense placing of spent fuel in the basin, you have a high possibility of fire if the water is removed from the basin.”

  622. ,” Russian nuclear accident specialist Iouli Andreyev tells Reuters, before noting that released radiation from spent fuel rods stored close to reactors at Fukushima looked like an example of putting profit before safety.

    PROFIT BEFORE SAFETY
    PROFIT BEFORE SAFETY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    thank you Japan..u r not going down alone..u r taking us with you??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sweet!:(

  623. – People also can be exposed to radiation poisoning through contaminated food and water. A recent U.N. study estimates the Chernobyl disaster caused 6,000 cases of thyroid cancer in children, largely through contaminated milk.

    – Workers at the Fukushima plant are pumping seawater, treated with boron, to try to cool the overheating reactor cores. This process, if successful, will completely shut down and destroy the reactor.

    After the reactors are brought under control, nuclear technicians will either have to remove the spent fuel, or try to bury the remnants in a concrete “sarcophagus” that will prevent the excess radiation from leaking out, until they can be safely removed.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia/What-is-a-Nuclear-Meltdown-118025009.html

  624. sounding more beautiful and powerful

    Paul, the Stradivarius question was rhetorical. Remember, my argument is that quality instruments beget quality work. Don’t guarantee it by any means, but provide a wider range of opportunity for artistic expression. And yes, sounding more beautiful and powerful is an example of that. Sounds like you’re agreeing with me now?

    Michael K, my point about point and shoot cameras is that they are limited in many ways, control and resolution to name the two biggies, which is true. While it is true that I don’t think much of whatever that Iphone app was called that applies those old camera affectations, I don’t think badly of people who may have a different opinion about it. As I say about so many of these little arguments, this is something about which reasonable people can disagree.

  625. eva – awful news..
    i’ve a feeling that’s going to become a more familiar story as the regimes control over previously rebel held areas is exerted..

  626. The missing journalists are Anthony Shadid, the Beirut bureau chief and twice winner of the Pulitzer Prize for foreign reporting; Stephen Farrell, a reporter and videographer who was kidnapped by the Taliban in 2009 and rescued by British commandos; and two photographers, Tyler Hicks and Lynsey Addario, who have worked extensively in the Middle East and Africa.

    thanks Eva:)

  627. actually – it’s been a feature of this conflict from the start.. and with more and more young people reporting on the young peoples revolution… who knows..
    http://thestar.blogs.com/photoblog/2011/03/the-kid-goes-to-war.html

    it’s interesting to read tyler hicks report in NYT lens blog about just how easy access to this conflict is.. i believe he compared it to the balkan conflict, where people just tripped over the border to have a look because it was convenient.

  628. hendrix would have been a damn fine chef..
    ——————-
    So he probably did not cook that last meal whose vomit he choked upon… :-)

  629. ARE YOU LIVING NEAR A NUCLEAR PLANT?
    ———————————

    WORSE, Panos! I am not living that far from you, and the thought of it is just SCARY!

  630. David B…
    Again you’re quite right it’s within us more about ourselves…
    I’m sure Hendrix would of been one hell of a photographer…

  631. I’m sure Hendrix would of been one hell of a photographer…
    ——————————–
    Why are you guys talking such nonsense, this morning? What makes one think greatness in one area means greatness in other areas? So Cartier-Bresson, who had all his fingers, could have topped Django Reinhardt who would have, by the way, been a hell of a photographer (only one finger needed!) if he had wanted to?….

    ;-)

  632. paul – mitch michells coffee table book on their band shows that they all had a bit of an eye, as it goes :o)

    was chatting about Chernobyl with a chap today..
    25 years and norway still feels the effects in livestock, even in the middle of the country.. elk and sheep he seemed to think.
    not even that far north.

  633. David B…

    All three of them dead… Noel Redding post Experience life was pretty sad. He sold all his rights to Experience tunes in the early 70s convinced Hendrix would be a thing of the past. Ended up working as a plumber if I remember rightly and semi bankrupt.

  634. Herve…

    Needs a certain type of character to suceed in the creative arts. Something extra out of the ordinary, persistence and neccesity to create and express oneself. As we’ve mentioned on Vissaria’s comments the hard part is not to lose that creative spirit all kids possess.

  635. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/world/asia/17nuclear.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fworld%2Fafrica%2Findex.jsonp

    U.S. Calls Radiation ‘Extremely High’ and Urges Deeper Caution in Japan

    Gregory Jaczko, the chairman of the commission, said in Congressional testimony that the commission believed that all the water in the spent fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station had boiled dry, leaving fuel rods stored there completely exposed. As a result, he said, “We believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures.”

  636. a civilian-mass audience

    MY BURNIANS…

    “The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow”
    Thomas Paine

    We just need to re evaluate…we have been unkind to the Universe,to our friends ,to our enemies…

    we are going through a face …BUT I strongly believe that we shall overcome…
    what goes around…comes around…
    we have to transform, we have to adjust…
    we lost our values during our journey…
    BUT like Odysseus(Ulysses)…we will return back to Ithaka,back to the core, to the home base…
    whatever and wherever this might be…back to the basics to find our souls and to heal our wounds…

    keep busy,keep focus…and we will go through…
    that’s the circle of life…plain English…or Greek…:)))

    P.S…ok, searching for a pile of sand to bury…my ouzo…VIVA…we shall overcome
    quarranteed…!!!

  637. a civilian-mass audience

    YEAP…I will definitely second you PANOS…

    oime…I have aname for MR.HARVEY…
    He will be the BURNING HAWK…damdaradam…

    DAHAWK or HAWKHARVEY…
    hmmm… I better bury the ouzo …Now…:)))))))))))

  638. a civilian-mass audience

    Much Respect for our Japanese people…they are all Heroes!!!

    when I will return in this Universe I wanna be a Japanese …or Berlusconi…
    ok EVA…scoot over…:)))))))))))))

  639. a civilian-mass audience

    Once upon a time…in BURNLAND…it was one Italian(EVA) and two Greeks(PANOS and Civi)…
    hiii…they were trying to bury their heads under a huge pile of …sh..sand BUT instead…
    blah,blah,blah

    Goodnight from the country of the Free and the Desperate…
    LOVE PEACE and PHOTOGRAPHY

  640. (from facebook chat with jared in haiti few seconds ago)

    Is camera gone gone?

    Jared Iorio Gone gone gone. With a 28 mm prime.
    9 minutes ago ·
    Panos Skoulidas did robbers got in the house? or was it a violent street incident?
    7 minutes ago ·
    Jared Iorio A violent street incident that was a cover for security guards breaking into a car, where I had the camera after it got soaked in the rain.
    3 minutes ago ·
    Panos Skoulidas no shit:(
    a few seconds ago ·

  641. http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/70267/

    A full report appears on Media Decoder. A separate account appears on the Web site of the National Press Photographers Association.

    In a Lens post on March 9 — “In the Thick of Libya’s Brutal Fighting” — Mr. Hicks described a battle near Ras Lanuf as the “thickest fighting in a single day” that he had seen in his many years as a war photographer.

    On March 3 — “At a Deadly, Shifting Front in Libya” — Lynsey Addario spoke of the perils and difficulties covering combat, and described a sense, already developing, that the regime of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi was not about to topple.

    Earlier, from Egypt, Stephen Farrell described the logistical challenges posed by coverage of the Cairo uprising in its early days in “What Not to Bring to Tahir Square.”

  642. The uprisings in the Arab world have made the region a perilous place for journalists. During the revolt that toppled Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, journalists were assaulted, accosted, detained and killed. Two Times reporters were detained there and eventually released unharmed. Lara Logan of CBS News was sexually assaulted by a group of men. An Egyptian reporter was shot and died.

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/four-new-york-times-journalists-are-missing-in-libya/

  643. October 20, 2009|Josh Meyer
    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Monday told federal authorities not to arrest or prosecute medical marijuana users and suppliers who aren’t violating local laws, paving the way for some states to allow dispensaries to provide the drug as relief for some maladies.

    The Justice Department’s guidelines ended months of uncertainty over how far the Obama White House planned to go in reversing the Bush administration’s position, which was that federal drug laws should be enforced even in states like California, with medical marijuana laws on the books.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/20/nation/na-medical-marijuana20

  644. Hey… with all this talk about iPhones and the recent controversy about Google View images winning awards… and the occasional criticisms here at Burn about some of the essays pushing the envelope of what really is photography…

    Let’s say a person finds their grandmother’s big box of photos in the attic and decides to create something out of them. They use their Canon Mark III or MCVXII whatever it is now… and photograph the images in a certain way, adding text with photoshop over the images and a little scrawling here and there, etc… is this worthy of consideration for the EPF or WordPress awards?

    OK… now, same situation.. same photographer with grandma’s photos… only this time they use a flatbed scanner to photograph the images. Still worthy of EPF? WordPress?

  645. I’m glad that dentists think like dentists.. So they all buy Leicas and support Solms..
    And I’m glad photogs think like artists and use whatever available.. Film, pixels, shoes..pinholes etc
    Smiling

  646. Ali asks for hikers’ release
    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Boxing champ Muhammad Ali is seeking the release of two American hikers from Iran by lobbying the country’s supreme leader in a way that few American dignitaries can: as a brother in Islam.

    Arguably the most prominent U.S. Muslim, Mr. Ali made his simple, behind-the scenes appeal to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in February and released his letter to Associated Press on Wednesday.

    The letter asks Ayatollah Khamenei to release Josh Fattal and Shane Bauer, who have been held on espionage charges since July 2009, when they were arrested while hiking in northern Iraq near the Iranian border.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11076/1132614-82.stm

  647. a civilian-mass audience

    AKAKY …wake up…it’s your day…

    Happy St.Patrick’s day for my west BURNIANS…
    DO NOT DRINK and DRIVE…

    Be United…
    Be safe

    P.S …hiii…I guess someone is out of battery…:)))

  648. a civilian-mass audience

    IMANTS…I tried to Roll over…hiii…I guess it’s already tomorrow:)))

  649. a civilian-mass audience

    Risk of increase of the insurance premiums:

    “…i think photojournalist is not what you want to put down on your life insurance application….”
    a suggestion from our HAWK…!!!

  650. The forecast assumes that radioactivity in Japan is released continuously and forms a rising plume. It ends with the plume heading into Southern California and the American Southwest, including Nevada, Utah and Arizona. The plume would have continued eastward if the United Nations scientists had run the projection forward.

  651. “We hope that Japan reports details to the world in a timely and accurate manner.” Her remarks followed comments on Wednesday by a top United States nuclear official that damage to at least one reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station was far more serious than Japan had acknowledged.”

    why the japanese government lies???

  652. In one case, workers hand-mixed uranium in stainless steel buckets, instead of processing by machine, so the fuel could be reused, exposing hundreds of workers to radiation. Two later died.

    “Everything is a secret,” said Kei Sugaoka, a former nuclear power plant engineer in Japan who now lives in California. “There’s not enough transparency in the industry.”
    ——————————————————————-

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/japan-nuclear-power-scandals_n_836970.html

  653. In 1989 Sugaoka received an order that horrified him: edit out footage showing cracks in plant steam pipes in video being submitted to regulators. Sugaoka alerted his superiors in the Tokyo Electric Power Co., but nothing happened – for years. He decided to go public in 2000. Three Tepco executives lost their jobs.

  654. The legacy of scandals and cover-ups over Japan’s half-century reliance on nuclear power has strained its credibility with the public. That mistrust has been renewed this past week with the crisis at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant. No evidence has emerged of officials hiding information in this catastrophe. But the vagueness and scarcity of details offered by the government and Tepco – and news that seems to grow worse each day – are fueling public anger and frustration.

  655. Japan is haunted by memories of past nuclear accidents.

    _In 1999, fuel-reprocessing workers were reported to be using stainless steel buckets to hand-mix uranium in flagrant violation of safety standards at the Tokaimura plant. Two workers later died in what was the deadliest accident in the Japanese industry’s history.

    _ At least 37 workers were exposed to low doses of radiation at a 1997 fire and explosion at a nuclear reprocessing plant operated in Tokaimura, northeast of Tokyo. The operator, Donen, later acknowledged it had initially suppressed information about the fire.

    _ Hundreds of people were exposed to radiation and thousands evacuated in the more serious 1999 Tokaimura accident involving JCO Co. The government assigned the accident a level 4 rating on the International Nuclear Event Scale ranging from 1 to 7, with 7 being most serious.

    _ In 2007, a powerful earthquake ripped into Japan’s northwest coast, killing at least eight people and causing malfunctions at the Kashiwazaki Kariwa nuclear power plant, including radioactive water spills, burst pipes and fires. Radiation did not leak from the facility.

    Tepco has safety violations that stretch back decades. In 1978, control rods at one Fukushima reactor dislodged but the accident was not reported because utilities were not required to notify the government of such accidents. In 2006, Tepco reported a negligible amount of radioactive steam seeped from the Fukushima plant – and blew beyond the compound.

    Now with the public on edge over safety, Tatsumi Tanaka, head of Risk Hedge and a crisis management expert, believes the government would find it difficult to approve new plants in the immediate future.

    Tanaka says that, true to Japan’s dismal nuclear power record, officials bungled the latest crisis, failing to set up a special crisis team and appoint credible outside experts.

    Tokyo Electric Power Co., regulators and the government spokesman have been holding nationally televised news conferences, sometimes several a day, on the latest developments at the Fukushima plant.

    But the reactors have been volatile, changing by the hour, with multiple explosions, fires and leaks of radiation. The utility, regulators and government spokesmen often send conflicting information, adding to the confusion and the perception they aren’t being forthright, Tanaka says.

    “They are only making people’s fears worse,” he said. “They need to study at the onset what are the possible scenarios that might happen in about five stages and then figure out what the response should be.”

  656. why the japanese government lies???.they don’t they just don’t see truth and lying in that simplistic western form we are used to.

  657. tsunami that lasted minutes killed 15.000 ….
    Human intervention , greediness etc…created a “cloud” that will be active for 30 years….
    good job humans:)

  658. They predict atomic plumes to make it to Cali mañana night..
    Rain for the weekend.. I prey that rain won’t fall over Mendocino or Hummbolt canyon..
    The WEED.. god protect our weed please:)

  659. a civilian-mass audience

    oimePANOS…and the strawberries…and all my civilian workers out there in the fields…

    and EVA…what did we say about the books…

    Spirits,Spirits of the world…what shall I do with my BURNIANS…?:))

  660. a civilian-mass audience

    working double shift…(i miss my chickens) but they know…
    my cross is red …and my doctors have no borders…
    we are ready…almost…

    my friends in Japan stay strong…
    my friends in Libya…the fight is not over…
    hmmm…
    MCB…be safe…you know the signal…

    MY BURNIANS…keep shooting,dancing,singing…life is full of surprises!!!
    I will be back

  661. Hello all.

    Have not commented for quite some time here at Burn but I do visit almost everyday.

    Might I quickly mention a new collaboration in the form of the UK Street Collective featuring myself and the talented Richard Baker. We hope to add to the ranks soon with at least one other photographer.

    This little outfit is merely a gathering of talents to share, edit and showcase work and hopefully sell a few prints and books and we plan to gather on occasion over food and drink with a big projector.

    Thanks.
    Paul Treacy

  662. Foreign men who are 50 years old or older and earn less than $2,500 per month have been prohibited from marrying Cambodian women in the country
    ———————–

    2500$! I bet John Vink is happy he got married a decade ago… ;-)

  663. Even before the discovery, some drugstores in California were running out of potassium iodide , which prevents some of radioactive iodine’s harm to the thyroid.
    Public health officials have urged people not to take potassium iodide as a preventive measure. It collects in the thyroid, protecting it from absorbing radioactive iodine. But it carries its own side effects, especially for people who have allergies to iodine or shellfish, or who have thyroid problems.

  664. David B. … smiling :-)

    As a father, I find that I’m asking/telling myself all day long.. same as it ever was (for fathers AND mothers).

  665. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL..I think BOBBY is a runner…
    he is running all the time…

    Goodmorning from Beautiful Grecolandia…coffee…and egg cake..

    I hope MR.HARVEY is rocking with his presentation…

    LIFE is BURNING…shoot a pic now…!!!

  666. a civilian-mass audience

    JUSTIN…
    thanks mate…
    “Becoming a father is easy enough, but being one can be very rough”
    Wilhelm Busch (German painter and poet, 1832-1908)

  667. a civilian-mass audience

    more BURNING fathers…CHARLES,BOBBY,HAIK,MARC,PRESTON,MR.VINK,THOMAS,ANDREWB,CIVI,ERIC…and more….

    running…:)!!

  668. a civilian-mass audience

    “Life is a battle…”
    hmmm…
    life is a journey…let’s make the most of it…

    Rock on…enjoy the journey…!

  669. Sitting deep in a ”remote” forest with both kids, camera and pitbull. The best thing from this injury is how close the kid’s and I have become. Something which would of been impossible before the injury. Very odd how some parents including my dad, leave home and never come back…

  670. Have all those who ordered ”Sightwalk” recieved the book? Just wondering on other’s impressions. I must admit I’m enjoying the book…extremely different, trying to find a theme throughout the book not sure there is one…

  671. All the mentions of Sightwalk… so I look at it on Amazon … and now it will be delivered Tuesday. I was trying not to buy any more books for a few months – bookshelves full, stacks on the floor, always books in the bed so when I go to sleep and wake up, they are there. I can hardly wait until Blurb rolls out their software for the iPad books. Even though I love paper (it’s still hot!), I’m really wanting to see what Blurb will offer.

  672. Paul; Miguel Rio Branco’s work is amazing. David made me aware of his work; pity his books are so hard to get hold of!

    Shot a pretty wicked gig last night. It’s WOMAD weekend here; so I went to GOMAD instead. 11 bands, (punk, metal, and even a “punk rockabilly” band) on 2 stages at the local strip club… Billed as “GOMAD; A celebration of NZ’s against the grain music” It was great to go to a gig and see an upright bass being played so well!

    Awesome night; but the strippers gave up after one sne song; everyone was too busy watching the bands!

  673. Ross Nolly…

    It’s been about 2 years since I’ve seen any band live!! In fact it was Joe Satriani and couldn’t take any photos they made me leave my m6 in my car. Last concert i managed to get through with a camera was Biohazard…
    Rio Branco’s books are hard to find and just too expensive for my wallet. I’ll ask DAH about him when get’s back from Rio

  674. Since Japanese authorities have said little about the amount of the releases at Fukushima, nobody can say how much radioactivity will hit California.

    japanese government rocks..what’s NOT TO LOVE?

  675. a civilian-mass audience

    If you have opened the pandora’s box…could you please go back and close it…

    and My BURNIANS…don’t worry about this hipsatamatic thing…hmmm…
    BUT
    what do I know…I am just a civilian…looking for your vision…

    P.S…EVA we have another “moving Bookstore”,AMELIE…

  676. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…my Japanese family hasn’t arrived yet…
    Amazing people…they were more concerned about me …oime…
    true Souls…
    What not to LOVE !!!

  677. a civilian-mass audience

    Any reports from DAHAWK and the multi media presentation…?
    I’ve heard OBAMA is down there…hmmm…
    thinking…:))))))))

  678. a civilian-mass audience

    Coalition response is called “Operation Odyssey Dawn”…hmmm…

    I have the copyrights, the name is mine…hmmm…I protest

  679. a civilian-mass audience

    Oime…all these years …I was calling for our Africam friends…
    But no voice…nothing,nada…and now here they are loud and clear…
    they broke the silence wall…

    and yes, my Japanese people…you have to be focused…when I saw the explosions in Fukushima…
    I knew that something is on the air.I am not a scientist BUT check this out…
    when I fart…there is a small explosion…
    something is on the air and it travels …even my chicken can feel it
    hmmm…maybe a bad example…but plain English

    My Conclusion: WE ARE ALL ONE…and better behave like one…
    LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLL

    Reporting from Souda Bay
    civi

  680. a civilian-mass audience

    yeap…MR.HARVEY is reporting from Rio…

    “The photos I’m making now in Rio will most likely get me fired by National Geographic. I’m trying to “do my job”. I just can’t help myself”…
    DAHAWK

    Good news are coming from everywhere…I will blame the moon…
    yeap,the biggest brightest moon…What not to BURN!!!

  681. Rossy,

    Sounds like you’re having fun. I saw a link on your Facebook page for GOMAD, with a reference to “Kentucky State” on the flyer profile photo. Is that a Kiwi band? (Kinda interested, since Andrew B. and live in the US state of Kentucky ;-)

    CIVI,

    Thanks for an updated list of Burnian fathers. Embarrassed that I left out Andrew B., he’s doing it right, too!

  682. Justin; Kentucky State is a bourbon and cola pre-mix! Sounds more like a jail though! Mind you; I’m sure a few have ended up in jail after having a few too many of them….

    Paul; It was a pretty local event; a couple of out of town bands, the rest local. No problems with the camera because I’ve spent about 2-years shooting gigs for the guy promoting (when he was bar manager in a previous bar), so I’m pretty much part of the furniture :-)

    I was looking for the “behind the scenes” and fringe stuff for my project; I hardly ever photograph the bands. I took some band shots for the promoter, but I could just roam! Pretty happy with about 3 sequences of shots, just got to do an edit this afternoon…

  683. Ross, oh no! That sounds like sacrilege to this Kentucky boy… Please encourage your fellow New Zealanders enjoy that bourbon neat or on ice :-)

    Around here, “Kentucky State” would most often be used to refer to Kentucky State University. I’m sure that more than few students would equate school with a jail…

  684. Oh David, sorry to hear the photo shoot for National Geographic isn’t going smoothly… no!, they are not going to fire you… David, this forum is full of very smart photography philosophers:), I am sure they could tell you how to take a good picture or two that would satisfy National Geographic…:)). Cheers

  685. http://www.gilesduley.com/

    giles is not as well known as joan silva, and he could benefit from help..
    buying a print or donating through his facebook page would be very kind..

    “On February 7, 2011, Giles was severely injured in Afghanistan while on patrol with the 101st Airborne, US Army, resulting the loss of three limbs. Giles returned to the UK a few days after sustaining the injuries and remains in critical condition at Queen Elizabeth Hospital. After weeks of overcoming a severe lung condition that is a result of his injuries, Giles is becoming stronger and increasing his rate of recovery. For those of us fortunate enough to know Giles, his strength and fighting spirit comes as no surprise.”

  686. Mike R:)
    for us over here , photographing animals in farms is a felony…skinning them though, or killing them for fur after we made sure they been tortured its absolutely legal…:(
    Welcome to MakeNoSenseLandia:)

  687. Yea, might as well pass a law making it illegal to do anything anyone more wealthy and powerful than you doesn’t like. Then when that’s in place, tackle thought crime. Why wait for animal rights activists or journalists to document your crimes. Jail them just for thinking about it.

    I’m surprised that you, Panos, are so gung ho for this murder spree in Libya. Even if you don’t give a shit about the moral issues associated with mass murder and wanton destruction, it’s so contradictory to much of the other stuff you believe in. For example, how do you think we’re going to pay for it? Sacrifice teachers, cops, firemen, retailers, the poor, the middle class, infrastructure, schools, retirees, the future? Fire as many as possible and severely cut the benefits for all the rest? Massive tax cuts for the wealthy? Yea, maybe that’ll work this time.

    And don’t you notice a connection between these idiotic wars abroad and the crap you’re complaining about in Florida and Iowa? The vicious connection between murder sprees abroad and decreased freedom, justice and democracy at home? This script has been written. This movie has been made and remade many times. Yet somehow the ending is always a surprise. Go figure.

  688. “The photos I’m making now in Rio will most likely get me fired by National Geographic. I’m trying to “do my job”. I just can’t help myself.”

    You’re doing still photography for the producers of “Really Hot Brazilian Babes XXXIV?” Well, that was unexpected, I must say. In any case, I don’t usually question people’s life choices; doing so usually causes no end of resentment, in my experience; but do you think taking stills for pornmongers is a good career move at this point?

  689. Also, I have a brand spanking new video on Vimeo, for those of you interested in such things, and you may peruse it at the following:

    It contains many a household cleaning tip that will just make the housework fly by, leaving more time for you to watch Days of our Lives…

  690. I’m not an expert or anything on this but it seems none of the politicians in power want another Rwanda…once read in some interview Clinton still was suffering from of couple of sleepless nights EVERY week for not having done anything in Rwanda.

  691. Michael W…

    Personally, I’m not 100% sure what I feel about this Libya entanglement… but it must be noted that Gaddafi was on the one on a murder spree.

  692. People are victims of western propaganda… another country and culture is being just about to be destroyed by the USA and their bloody coalition… They have built so many guns so they are able to make their own order in the world, and to spread their macdonalds philosophy of living…

  693. On a lighter note, I’ve just been photographing my pug and her best dog buddy who we are dog-sitting, and was reminded of Tony Mendoza’s wonderful book “Ernie, a photographers memoir”. I went hunting in my bookshelves and found it. It is one of those must-have books, and has sold over 100,000 copies. It was originally published in 1985 but is still available and very in-expensive.

    http://accad.osu.edu/~tmendoza/

  694. The whole Arab world asked for help against that Madman…not just Egypt, not just Libya, not just the Emirates… Gaddafi is killing his own people…and u suggest we should lean back and watch…! sad & dangerous!

  695. Yes…:) after the II World War, when soviet union “liberated” all the countries around its territory from the tyranny of capitalist, people at that time “asked” for help as well:)… You are spreading that nonsense propaganda even further… sad to hear that here…

  696. a civilian-mass audience

    Disgust, insane,horror,heartbroken…
    BUT,BUT…
    “I am responsible. Although I may not be able to prevent the worst from happening, I am responsible for my attitude toward the inevitable misfortunes that darken life. Bad things do happen; how I respond to them defines my character and the quality of my life. I can choose to sit in perpetual sadness, immobilized by the gravity of my loss, or I can choose to rise from the pain and treasure the most precious gift I have – life itself.”

    and I strongly believe that we civilians have a voice and we can do miracles…

    Never give up…Love,compassion,unity…we have the power.
    There is no excuse for abuse,war,poverty…
    WE are ALL responsible.

  697. I agree with you, Panos, at the same time, we need not get gung ho on the absolute goodness that intervening would mean.
    Even with a despicable muderer at the helm, the lybia thing is not entirely black and white (I mean that the results won’t be), but for that very reason, just to take position for or against intervening according to one single-minded opinion of what is “truly” happening when the West takes up arms, is too simplistic.
    Personally, that is what depresses me, copying and pasting the same hackneyed arguments repeated for the last 30 or 40 years ad nauseum from one side or/at the other. What happens in the world, when mayhem happens is as complex as what happens in our lives, when a crisis arises. Not always easy to decide what is the right thing to do. And sometimes, you just do your best, knowing that it might not bear the resolution wished.
    It is hard for me to think we did the right thing by not doing anything in Rwanda, and Cambodia before that.

  698. BTW, I think david really meant:

    “The photos I’m making now in Rio will most likely get me fired UP by National Geographic”

    To burn or not to burn, that is the question! :-)

  699. but it must be noted that Gaddafi was the one on a murder spree.

    Well, I guess if Gaddafi’s murders people, that makes it okay for us to murder people. Certainly if we want to be like Gaddafi.

  700. herve:

    we did not do the right thing by allowing the genocides in Rwanda and Cambodia to go unheeded…however, Libya is not at all comparable….to begin with, this IS a civil war and gaddafi has been in power for 40 years and has brutalized opposition for a long time….and the US has it’s own terribly complex relationship….moreover, not everyone in the Arab world approves this, and the Arab League, for sure, hasn’t been gong ho….moreover, Libya has a, rightly so, not particularly warm relationship with the west….anyone remember what Italy (Mussolini) did in Libya?…trust me, Libyans still remember….

    i have a student, from Tripoli…his dad, brother and he all work in the Oil industry, he is a safety manager (here for 1 year to learn english)….he’s not exactly supportive of the government, however, he is dismayed at the ease with which the West has again, intervened via missiles, taking lives, and up to this point, played ignorant of their awareness of the uprising prior to January…..

    Anyone that has read Roméo Dallaire’s Shake Hands with the Devil, or Philip Gourevitch’s We Wish to Inform You that Tomorrow We Will Be Killed with Our Families, knows that it is an unfortunate analogy to compare the current intervention in Libya with what should have been done in Rwanda……

    It is true that the anti-Gaddafi coalition was hoping for help, and yes it is horrid to watch a government inflict harm/death upon it’s own people (anyone want to talk about some of the conflict going on presently in southern africa?, or China’s continued behavior toward Tibet or N.Korea or Somalia or, ummm, shall we continue?), but the problem i have with the current intervention is that the west, honestly (for me) has little moral high ground to stand on and seems to intervene not based on humanitarian reasons but on the reason of tactical advantage…there is a lot of oil there and what better time to act than now…..

    once again, our understanding of history, and the region, is grotesque, myoptic and mercenary….

    saddening, all of it, in truth….

    and Panos, brother, Michael is right….i am dismayed at the jingoistic and bellicose tone…..

    how about paying attention to the shit that happens in the us….take a look at Wisconsin….

    bb

  701. Anthony…im tired of old school Conspiracy Theorists like you…but i know why u think like that…regarding your upbringing it all makes sense…Go ahead keep praising the regimes: Gaddafi, Stalin , Milosevich etc…
    “Imperialism” is the root of all evil!!??? classic…..(and now, that is NOT propaganda? coming from you?
    Like i urged u few days ago..Use your imagination..Stop repeating what they told u in your school 50 years ago..
    Times are changing bro…why are so bitter??????

  702. via ThomasB (thank u;)

    According to AFP, the three journalists were planning to travel “to an area about 30 km outside of the eastern oil-rich city of Tobruk on Saturday to meet opponents of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and to speak to refugees fleeing the fighting.”
    Schmidt has worked for AFP since 1989. He is currently based in Nairobi as chief photographer for East Africa and the Indian Ocean. According to Visa Pour l’Image, which showed some of his most recent work in 2010, Schmidt has covered major conflicts around the world, including Iraq and Gaza, civil unrest and the earthquake in Haiti, plus crises in Somalia, Congo and Kenya.
    Raedle has worked with Getty Images as a staff photographer since 2001 and has photographed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Earlier this week, four journalists for The New York Times, including photographers Tyler Hicks and Lynsey Addario, also disappeared in Libya. According to Libyan authorities, they were arrested for illegally entering the country, but they are set to be released in the coming days.

    http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2035574/photographers-missing-libya#ixzz1HCBBSjK0

  703. Bob, i hear u very well…Saddam is a newborn comparing to Gaddafi’s ..Saddam never had weapons of Mass destruction…GWB was wrong , but Gaddafi is not saddam… Most arab countries seeking democracy, well if not democracy…then at least, new “faces” required to represent the mass..we have that Domino effect in progress… it started with Egypt, then Libya, Bahrain, Yemen, Syria and on and on….People under those regimes live as the ex communists lived..in fear and terror, buying groceries with coupons , driving government Lada’s and Yugos…under the fear of the ultimate boogeyman which was always been represented by the US etc..am i telling u anything new? of course not…tired of all those conspiracy theorists that keep chewing the same candy…oil this and oil that…

    and YES, i will agree only on this one:
    ” we did not do the right thing by allowing the genocides in Rwanda and Cambodia to go unheeded..”

  704. And we too easily forget that the murderer is so often a victim as well. No, not those murder fan boys who sit back in safety and call for murder. And no, not those politicians and military brass who order it from afar. But those who actually commit it, those who are just following orders, they too often suffer horrible fates. It’s only later when reports come in of their mental health problems, their drug abuse, their broken marriages, their suicides — it’s only then when we think of their tragedy. And of course then it’s too late, and then the wheel turns, the case for mass murder is made anew, and they are forgotten.

    And yes Michael K, to the murdered, all murderers are the same.

  705. “the West” is going on a murder spree. “the West” is destroying another country. McDonald’s philosophy of life propaganda. Just like Gaddafi.

    Thoroughly reasonable discussion we got there, eh Bob?

  706. ..and many critics will crucify Obama , for why he was so late on helping the rebels…that shit , should have happened wayyy earlier, not the very last minutes..although, better late than ever…
    And Bob sorry, that is NOT a civil war in Libya..not at all…its the regime, the 5% that eat and profits well the last 500 years in Libya (if not more;), and the rest, the “rebels”? the 95%? thats the majority..thats the MASS..the Civilians that had enough and picked up an AK-47 as the ultimate , desperate solution/act…
    I personally support them…Now if “coincidentally” the US and Europe is “on my side”…!!!??? well thats a mere coincidence…but sorry , no way i will accept all my fellow PJ’s in Gaddafi jails…I SUPPORT the “rebels” 1000%…and there is no couch big enough to change my mind…Did the bombs stopped Gaddafi…maybe not, maybe not at all, maybe a little…just enough for the “rebels”/majority to recoup…i hope for the latter…
    so, yea bro, im really sorry but that is not a civil war…I know though why the “far left” insists that is a civil war…they tell us to “leave them alone”…”do not interfere”…
    to me thats irresponsible and is similar to : when the neighbor beating his wife in the apartment next door, and i/we pretend we didnt hear anything…oh puleez..:(

  707. Panos… yes indeed, I see you are tired, nervous and angry person, who besides that, thinks that he is superior to other people – OK, it doesn’t really affect my life outside of this forum:)… but, talking about invasions and occupations you have to know that times are changing – human nature and world history don’t… standards do change as well… “in your school 50 years ago” – it seems you have no clue whom you are writing your arrogant words… indeed, my forum friend, use your imagination, not what you read in those american jewish newspapers’ columns… if you were just the only person on this planet thinking this way I would give you more arguments, examples and lessons on this topic, but now seems it’s just waisting of my time…

  708. … we need not get gung ho on the absolute goodness that intervening would mean.
    Even with a despicable muderer at the helm, the lybia thing is not entirely black and white (I mean that the results won’t be), but for that very reason, just to take position for or against intervening according to one single-minded opinion of what is “truly” happening when the West takes up arms, is too simplistic.
    ———————————————
    Herve, of course i agree…”we” do not have the right to act like a “referee” and interfere on other people’s personal affairs..we are “not” suppose to be liberating people or “sell”/enforce/impose democratic values either…but like i said above (no matter how much i hate LAPD and cops in general;)i would still call 911 if my drunken neighbor would hit/beat/abuse his wife…You have to call 911 when u hear someone screaming next door, right???

  709. I see you are tired, nervous and angry person, who besides that, thinks that he is superior to other people –
    —————————————————————
    Anthony , although very rarely i treat UFO’s with so much respect…i need to thank you and urge to stay, and keep writing those so ,…sophisticated insults like this latest one, above…

    tired
    nervous
    angry
    superior…

    (laughing…man, you see the Real America in me, dont you! this is exactly how Gaddafi sees America also:
    tired, nervous, angry, superior…coincidence?)

  710. but, wait a minute…i think i had a change of hearts..there is the exit…feel free to go: return to your real life (as u mentioned)
    You bring Antisemitism , hate and bitterness on this table..and i dont like it…(and i’ll be surprised if im all alone on this one)

  711. played ignorant of their awareness of the uprising prior to January…..
    ————————

    Bob, there may have dissidence, but there was no uprising prior to January. Panos is right, it is a thing that started in Tunisia, and it started with the death of one man, who immolated himself. I wish this kid could see what his death has started, really.

    I hear people say it’s a civil war in Lybia. I am not so sure. civil war is civilians against civilians, I stand to be corrected, as it seems to me that Gahhadafi’s armed forces are the main ones attacking the rebels. Has there been fighting between elements of the population against others? Can we tell how many people from the civil population G has been able to rouse up and walk their way to engage the rebels?

    Easy way? what easy way. the intervention has been long in the making and there were enough voices and doubts to claim that nothing woud be done (save UN motions and assets freeze) because of oil. Now, they intervene and it’s because of oil. Just as I predicted, replying to Eva last week.

    It might get messier, actually, very bad for “oil”. For now, I believe they finally decided to intervene because of international pressure from too many corners. Just in our little microcosm of BURN and Facebook friends (and related, like the Libya Youth Movement), it was obvious that we the people wished, stupidly maybe, for something to be done, and breathed down the neck of the Obama administration. Europeans are in general very wary of intervening. just in France, polls have shown over 60% of french approved of it. Believe me, very unusual.

  712. a civilian-mass audience

    AKAKY…yes,I knew it…You are our ST.Patrick’s man…!

    JEFF…I liked your “colors” But these “B&W”… will do it for me…!

    IMANTS…my atrouko is intense…!

    BURNIANS,no worries…we are all responsible…so we better find a way, whatever way …to make this
    Universe a better place to be!
    I know this for now…BURN is the Place to BE !!!

    Good news…13 baby chickens …miracles are everywhere BUT we have to push them…

    Do you think I should sing…?:)) and where are MY BURNIAN Ladies…Heeelloooooo…:)))))

  713. Panos…
    I agree with u, Athony RZ’s antisemitism just too much…and hey i haven’t a single drop of Jewish blood in me, i just hate racism in general and sweeping statements.

  714. Ross…
    Been shooting a local Sunday market and a little ”trip” i will be taking the next 15 days… And the good news i’ve lost my shyness for street photography :))))…but no time to edit!

  715. ross
    pretty loosely photographing “whatever” over the weekend.. and enjoying doing so.. back to the focused work this week..

    on libya
    i don’t think anyone is pleased, or would be pleased, at any deaths or war.. civil-war is a different animal though, to what is happening in libya..
    civil war is not characterized by indiscriminate shelling of civilian neighborhoods, snipers targeting anyone who moves nor a leader having to buy support and import mercinaries.
    from it’s inception to it’s continuing development – so far it is not a civil war.

    gadaffi now, terrifyingly, says he has armed 1 000 000 of his civilian supporters.. if those supporters exist and fight, there is the foundation of a possible civil war.
    the indiscriminate killing of civilians cannot be civil war.. or he would surely be potentially killing his supporters along with his detractors.. as it is, his support base seems limited to a couple of tens of thousands in the capital.. even his own tribe have abandoned him – along with ever other libyan tribe.

    it’s tremendously upsetting to follow the live feeds.. read the updates and take advantage of the flow of information made available for these first “twitter & facebook” revolutions.. interesting as a point though is that did these facilities not exist, we may not even know what we know.. and perhaps no action would have been taken.

    citizen journalism deserves the capa gold medal, for dying with low quality camera phones in hand.

  716. from the BBC live feed overnight

    #
    0043: Earlier, a doctor at a hospital in Misrata, Libya’s third city, told BBC Radio 5 live that the city was being attacked by forces loyal to Col Gaddafi. “Since early morning [on Sunday], they have been bombarding everything – all the buildings, all the homes, nobody is secure in this city,” he said. “Gaddafi’s militants and more than 25 tanks have been entering and bombarding the city. There are snipers all over. If you leave your front door, you are a target. I am not secure in the hospital and I cannot go home. I have not seen my family for a week. There is no secure way to get home.”

    #
    0046: The doctor added: “Our medical team has been working non-stop since last Tuesday. They are so exhausted. Our resources are almost finished. We ask the international community to at least secure passage for medical supplies and food. We have no water. Yesterday, there were 16 civilian deaths. Today, there were seven civilian deaths. All the injuries you could imagine – head, chest, laparotomy, crushed limbs and amputations. I haven’t got the resources to sustain them. In two or three days, I will have to leave all the injured patients dying and bleeding. I have no more resources.”

    what to do?
    11 tanks and up to 60 soldiers, based around the hospital and dressed in civilian clothes, are reported to be preparing for a fresh onslaught today in misratah..
    what to do?
    read it and weep?

  717. Ross.. took pics of winter burning, spring is springing with freezing cold wind..

    Civi.. 13 is a good number, better than 12 or 11, simply because it’s one or two more, and all counts these days..

    Shooting.. bullets.. is NEVER the way to go. There MUST be another way, one day will come when we find that way.. when there’s nothing more left to be shot for.. :(

  718. “indeed, my forum friend, use your imagination, not what you read in those american jewish newspapers’ columns… ”
    tony RZ

    if ever there was a statement well worth utterly ignoring..

  719. as an aside – the events unfolding, and the consequences, are as beyond our understanding as they are the understanding of the world leaders, the rebels and the daffy duck loyalists..

    i think that would be the case whether the “world”, (lets stop the US colonial discussion on this one), had intervened or not.

    the history and antipathy leading to this point is as old as our race.. stumbling forward in the dark..

  720. a civilian-mass audience

    I google “troll”…hmmm…and I got this…
    1.
    1. To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.
    2. To fish in by trailing a baited line: troll the lake for bass.
    3. To trail (a baited line) in fishing.
    4. To sing in succession the parts of (a round, for example).
    5. To sing heartily: troll a carol.
    2. Slang To patrol (an area) in search for someone or something: “[Criminals] troll bus stations for young runaways” (Pete Axthelm).
    3. Music
    1. To sing in succession the parts of (a round, for example).
    2. To sing heartily: troll a carol.
    4. To roll or revolve.

    therefore I will sing heartily…EVA,DAVIDB,yeap….my BURNIANS with all my love…
    I troll a carol…what’s going on
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s

    troll with me…come on

  721. a civilian-mass audience

    and don’t forget …today is the…
    International Day for the Elimination
    of Racial Discrimination

    21 March

    What not to LOVE !!!… I am so distracted lately…I hear my name…everywhere…
    ok,now I am eating beans…and I will be back…:)))

  722. John Gladdy, you out there?? Guess what.. got back the package of film I sent back on October 5th.. says it arrived at our place on the 31st.. and could not be delivered because it was ‘not called for’.. whatever that means..

  723. DAVID BOWEN..ALL

    good observations David B. and yes citizens with phone cameras are quite literally informing the world and helping to shape events…an incredible and unpredicted evolution/revolution….

    back here soonest to make new post…a bit behind on all things Burn..

    busy got busier w Obama in town…odd to see him with family last night atop the famed Corcovado Jesus mountain….all seemed surreal peaceful yet weight of world on his shoulders…bad job seems to me….no real privacy, no real family life, no real walk on the beach….

    would not mind seeing the price tag on a trip like this….i had no idea prior to the enormity of the Presidential entourage…the entire White House infrastructure gets moved to each new location….everything but the building itself moves…everything…no joke…i will try to get stats…..but of course nobody will give me the stats…

    anyway i am wrapped heavily in the moment with my own photography…no hypothetical suppositions theories.. just doing it..a week or so more to shoot here and soaking it all up…

    cheers, david

  724. I’m afraid, for me, everything Anthony RZ writes from this point forward can only be viewed in light of his paranoid, anti-semitic mindset. I’ll try my best to ignore it. (won’t be easy!)

  725. I’m wondering if any of you can help me out with some good advice round here….

    Easter time is round the corner and here in Spain as in most Latin countries or influenced countries it is time for the processions… Here is an example of some very good images on processions for those of you who are not fluent on the subject..http://www.peterturnley.com/seville/01.html

    I’m going to try it out…no sorry I’m going to manage it!! I calculate I can spend perhaps 30mins just in pain without crutches just dragging my left foot along… but I’m going to keep on a lot longer and there is no turning back I’ve decided it… so how would you Burnians go about it? I need to be “comfortable” and lightweight. I usually do approach everything lightweight I hardly ever use anything but a 50mm lens, I may change this time and go in with a 35mm. It will start in daylight probably 16:00pm and go on easily way past 13:00am. The easiest choice for me would to use B/W film and my Eos 1vhs without any flash and push the film when it gets dark. As my 1dsII isn’t very good at 3200 pretty noisy… but I suppose I could also turn all the digital files into B/W don’t know if it would still be too noisy. Flash or not to flash? If I used flash everyone will be aware of my presence and if I do use flash it will be off camera flash not very comfortable as I will be in a lot pain…but if it is the only way I’m prepared to go for it..
    So there you are, just hoping if those of you who with way more experience than I have in shooting in the “dark” can help me out.

  726. Eva…

    Don’t think I’ll be able to get Neopan round here :(… I can choose Tri-x, Hp5+, T-max 400-(I hate it) and probably T-max 3200…smiling, I’ll have to get used to grain!! How far can I push any of the 400 ones?

  727. Remember I come from the world of landscapes!! The slower the film the better so I need to be enlightened on the world of fast films…Did a lot at college but didn’t pay much attention to that part!!

  728. Paul, am on the road, will send you a link later from where I get the stuff online.. and a link to some work (Tri-x at 3200) shot by a friend of mine..

  729. civil war is not characterized by indiscriminate shelling of civilian neighborhoods, snipers targeting anyone who moves nor a leader having to buy support and import mercenaries.

    Right, that is a concise, accurate description of American actions in Iraq, which was a sovereign country that had not attacked us and posed no threat. We don’t have the final tally, but something like half a million dead, 4 million displaced, infrastructure destroyed, no more freedom now than before, significantly less for at least half the population (women). And it’s been a disaster domestically as well. The U.S. became a nation that openly practices disappearances, torture and assassinations and has globe spanning network of secret prisons. The government can now jail people, Americans included, without charges and detain them indefinitely without trial. And the costs were staggering, but financial and human. The middle class is being shrunk because of it and large swathes of the population outside of the big cities is suffering immensely in its wake. Just because the Iraq catastrophe has been thrown down the memory hole doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and that its consequences and lessons can be safely ignored.

    There will always be bad guys, but time and time again experience shows that the way to make the world a better place is not by attacking people who have not attacked you, especially if they pose no threat. No, what experience shows is the need for a rule of law. That’s true domestically. True internationally. Even if this little murder spree (killing people who do not attack you and pose no threat is typically considered murder, no?)in Libya turns out well for the Libyans(and who isn’t “for” the rebels, whoever they are) that will be great, but given the blatant abandonment of any kind of International Law beyond “cause we’re powerful and we say so,” I can’t imagine how it can turn out well for the U.S., Europe, or the rest of the world. At best it won’t further accelerate the anti-democratic slide in the west. At worst, it will and many lives and livelihoods will be lost to boot.

  730. Paul, yes, I saw the link but didn’t have time to comment. I’m in the middle of moving to a new, smaller place, and it’s been hell. But yea, you can see the painterly influence in those photos and there is some similarity to some of what I try to accomplish.

    BTW, I join in the condemnation of Anthony R.Z. Really sucks that anti-semitic crap still floats after all these years.

  731. Used to work with a guy full of this anti-semitic bullshit…I also worked with his flat mate, the mate used to describe how the other guy always waited till the end of films, tv series and search the credits for Jewish surnames and start the good old conspiracy theories!!

  732. paul – depends what you are after.. entirely.

    flash off camera – if you are able – can be very inconspicuous if you are quick.
    i’ve always used film.. normally 400 which is just enough to bring out background and shadow detail.

    prefocus and estimated manual exposure greatly helps and try to not be tied to the viewfinder – it will slow you down, as does AF in the dark, and you will bump into people and fall over :o)

  733. M. Webster
    The government can now jail…. Americans without charges and detain them indefinitely without trial.
    ——————-
    Can you point to the exact paragraph in the law that allows that and if so, also confirm that it is not related to any specific suspicion of crime, like war on terror or something?

  734. any kind of International Law beyond “cause we’re powerful and we say so,”
    ———————
    the intervention went thru the UN prerequisite and votes, painstakingly so for some, and one of the big guys who wanted to pooh-pooh it was Russia, who invaded Georgia who never attacked them 3 years ago. I won’t even mention China, the other by caca-layer in the story who is big enough to attack other countries and ethnies within its own territory. Well, Ok, I mentionned it.

    I mean, let’s stop the crap, no country in this world has any moral ground, not after 5 or 6000 years of killing and invading at some points one’s neighbours, here or there. Let’s stop the fake loftiness and black and white view, especially that done from a safe distance.

  735. mw

    gadaffi has threatened mainland europe very recently – civilian and military targets..

    comparisons with iraq are difficult to see from where i stand.. and i don’t see this situation as being about US expansion or colonialism at all..
    in the same way rwanda, which some quote, does not seem comparable.. perhaps serbia and the balkans is closest.
    i agree that western foreign policy is screwed.. which is why they need to hand over control of whats happening as soon as possible.. and more influence from the arab league needs to come through.

    it isn’t just the west though.. interestingly on the 14th of this month a group of countries were invited to libya for discussions on dividing up the oil business, should gadaffi prevail..
    no surprise that the countries which abstained at the UNSC are the ones now wavering over the action, and the ones who participated in the meetings in libya..

    it is hideous, what is happening.. truly..
    more hideous because of bahrain, (now on the news thanking the “foreign (saudi) military” which helped suppress it’s own protesters), yeman, (which thankfully had a mass military defection today which will protect the protesters from further deaths), and on and on.. which has all been pushed out of the news by libya..
    nothing will be done to solve the wider problems of the middle east..

    for example – just now.. 15 nations voted on a resolution through the UN that the 500 extra houses israel now propose for building in the west bank was “illegal”.. 14 countries were in favour of the motion.. with one veto.. (not abstention).. the US.

    israel is now seeking 20 billion dollors worth of new weaponry due to the recent situation.. business, hypocrisy and duplicity if rife.

    on a trip to sell arms during the egypt uprisings, british PM david cameron was quoted as saying he “could not understand” why anyone would be critical of britains intentions to sell arms to what is such a “volatile region”.
    it’s good business.

    at it’s worst the intervention in libya is *** (insert one of the many moral and ethical detractors)
    at it’s best the intervention in libya is *** (insert one of the many moral and ethical supporting factors).

    damned if we do and damned if we don’t?
    well.
    killing people is wrong.. anyone killing anyone is horrific, base and a crude expression of humanity..
    yet when does watching the killing and doing nothing make us complicit in the killing?
    can one be a pragmatic pacifist?

  736. Hey guys… OK, Panos on this forum proved himself as being pretty much insane… but you guys must know that semitic is basically only a linguistic term and meaning, and those Arabic and maybe other six or seven languages are semitic as well as Hebrew is… for some strange reason uneducated people call “antisemitic” all the people who don’t accept such things as the idea of Israel state and etc. Those accused people very often are semitic themselves… I have seen this funny scenery in NYC when Russian Jewish lady was calling Arabic people antisemitic:)- funny, isn’t it? Using term “american jewish newspaper’s propaganda” doesn’t make me antisemitic because those, true, very often so called American Jewish, run their papers in the US and write in English not in any Semitic language… and term propaganda has nothing to do with being against nations, people… Russian propaganda is even more disgusting, but I have so many good Russian friends and Russian people are really special and lovely… In New York I have very good friends who call themselves Jewish, they helped me a lot in the past and we love each other… it has nothing to do with “american jewish newspaper’s propaganda machine” though… Calm down, eat well and be happy:)

  737. David Bowen
    the history and antipathy leading to this point is as old as our race..
    —————-

    A study of recent genocides and progroms does show that it is not centuries of simmering hatred that causes people massacring each other, but the use of technology and political propaganda, and the controlling of the flow of information. There may be resentment between communities everywhere, and for ages, but they most often have learnt to live together. Until some power-hungry coterie of murderers made politicians comes in (nazis, khmer rouges, Rwandan hutu strongmen, hindu nationalists, and etc…). And these capabilities of using technology and modern techniques of information control, WMDs really depending on use, are not as old as our races. Not even a century old. So is the idea of democracy without an underclass undeserving of it. IMO.

  738. Anthony RZ…

    I’ve spoken once on Skype with Panos for 3 very hours and he isn’t insane at all… he’s a very intense and talented person with a heart of gold …

  739. Apology for what?… whom am I dealing with… oh my God:)… DAH is such a wise and respectable man, but somehow he managed to attract too many morons that unfortunately, photographers wannabe world is full of…

  740. tony rz
    .. ___ ..

    herve – i remember reading about the “old” wars, and that the body counts were actually very modest considering the size of the battles.. the weaponry and will-to-kill has certainly been harnessed in recent times and i think you’re right..

    the invention of the machine gun, and it’s astonishingly cruel effectiveness in WW1, combined with a political will and evolution of economies does seem to have provided the right conditions for some escalation in violence.

    in WW2 studies show that only around 20% of the armed forces had the capacity to kill.. the rest took active steps to avoid it..
    posturing used to play a much greater war.. where as in modern warfare it’s been found that over 90% are prepared to kill.. yet are not psychologically prepared for what it will do to them.
    the body can be tricked into killing on a reflex, yet the mond cannot cope once the killing is done.
    it’s wrong.. and we all know it, bar a few psycos.

    this paragraph is courtesy of the discovery channel (:o)

  741. “killing people who do not attack you and pose no threat is typically considered murder, no”

    The Hutus did not attack and posed no threat to the U.S. or NATO. But I’ll bet some 800,000 Tutsis would have appreciated a little assistance from both. But, you know… don’t want to “murder” anybody, do we?

  742. David B…

    That paragraph from discovery channel is really quite interesting… probably the 90% these days are professional soldiers and I suppose a hell of a lot of the men in the Second World War were called up to serve their country…conscripts.

  743. Can you point to the exact paragraph in the law that allows that and

    I wouldn’t know the exact paragraph, but I think it’s generally referred to as the Patriot Act. But experience has shown that those high falutin laws don’t matter no way. The President can do whatever he wants.

    Never heard of Jose Padilla? The memory hole sure is wide and deep.

    if so, also confirm that it is not related to any specific suspicion of crime, like war on terror or something?

    Ummmm, suspicion of a crime? You’re saying that the government should be able to imprison people indefinitely without charges or trial based on “suspicion of a crime?” Isn’t that the traditional kind of “justice” system favored by all the world’s worst dictators? Why yes, yes it is.

  744. a civilian-mass audience

    “All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.”
    Buddha

    I am thinking of Unity…more chickens,ouzo and iphones…:)))

    I LOVE YOU ALLLL…we shall overcome…

  745. Yeah sure, I have a black friend too.. Does that make me a rapper?
    Just drop it..u make it worst.. And yes I’m insane (especially when I read those Tony crap:(..
    (my wife is Jewish btw, and that is completely irrelevant :)

  746. I have a black friend too.. Does that make me a rapper?
    ————–

    depends what kind of rapper you establish with him ;-).

  747. Anyway, is it true, anyone can confirm that Hicks & Lynsey and the rest r safe in Turkey???
    Did that sexy Gaddafi guy let them free? Eventually?
    Driving , raining ..
    peace :)

  748. David Bowen, how are you finding the M3? Scanning negs or darkroom? Or transparencies?

    Questions, questions!

    Best,

    Mike.

  749. a civilian-mass audience

    another baby chicken…damnit …this is success…

    any tech questions…?:)))))))))

  750. mike – hmm.. am using it with kid gloves because it is so clean..

    it’s interfering with photographing, as i know any significant knocks could take it down in value and i’m not rich enough to allow that. using it daily as i do, it will get scuffed, dinged and knocked.

    it probably needs to be with a “sunday shooter” which i’m not..
    may have to replace it with a less clean “user” or sell the body, meter and case for the price of an m6 – which i’d happily leave on the pub table..

    have been scanning results and am fairly happy – revealed a couple of defects.. slowest shutter sticking.. fastest speed hanging slightly.. lens needs a CLA too.. no surprise.. common stuff.. it’s a bit dry from it being left in an old leather case for 30+ years.

    the summarit 5cm, 1.5 is a beauty to use.. very small.. weighty.. solid.
    it does flare very easily and suits being shot from shadow and in darker situations much more than bright light… not a full time 50mm, although performs pretty well.. interesting background blur wide open, sharpest at 4 and 5.6… has a little fogging, which can be cleaned.. lens coatings seem intact though – which is rare.

    anyway – CLA quotes are coming in.. range from 40 to 300usd for lens, 125 to 300usd on body..
    will send it away and make a decision.. hopefully i can afford to keep it and not worry too much about knocks and the like.
    tis a beauty and have not used digital, unless i’ve had to, since it arrived.

    been using fuji colour film stock.. shot a dozen rolls.. only developed one so far.

    can i say “i don’t like talking about equipment” now?
    d

  751. Civi.. tech question.. egg first or hen??

    David.. when I traded my cam with another I had two options, both working fine but one in better shape, one in worse.. the guy in the shop looked at me and handed me over the worse one.. saying that the other would look the same anyway after a couple months with me.. hmmmm…

  752. :o) eva

    i do look after kit in term of operation.. clean optics etc.. cosmetics are just not something i want to have to think about.. you know..
    i think i would rather have a beaten up one and paint it black.. using the silver body is kind of distracting as well.

    i was so happy with my last kit.. for 12 years.. once i get this set up right i’ll not worry – or talk about it at length ..
    it is a sensitive thing to get right.. personal, at least for me.. and once sorted it’ll be great.. i have a digital kit i am happy with now..

  753. Eva…

    I like the look of those images you linked, a pity he hasn’t added more photos… any information about film and developer?

  754. David Bowen. You need to take it off the pedestal dude. If you cant, stow it or sell it and move on.
    it may well be a thing of rare beauty..but it was made to survive…and work for its supper :)
    Let it loose.

    john

  755. David.. agree with John!!

    Paul, it’s Tri-x at 1600 in D-76 1+1.. same for his ‘Milonga’ series..

  756. john n eva.. yeah – it’s definitely going to be used by me or someone… am putting a roll a day+ through it.

    it’s the money thing really .. i bought it so cheap that i could sell it and actually get a beaten up user with the profit alone..
    or go for an m6..
    the M3s i have used previously have taken their knocks well.. if i bang this one about before i decide, that option goes..

    all be good…
    enough gear-talk :o)

  757. Panos…

    Nobody could consistenty match up to the man they called the “extra terrestrial”… Armstrong said he only ever saw him once against the ropes…

  758. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…tech answer : omelette…!

    DAVIDB…top parent?…oups…you don’t wanna know the fate of a young rooster…

    more gear talk, I am in …!!!

  759. Btw, I never answered the question. AFAIC, Paper is really hot, though it’s kind of a funny name for a brazilian girl…..

  760. a civilian-mass audience

    oh,today is another International day…

    World Poetry Day is on 21 March, and was declared by UNESCO…

    PROMETHEUS AMID HURRICANE AND EARTHQUAKE
    by: Aeschylus
    ARTH is rocking in space!
    And the thunders crash up with a roar upon roar,
    And the eddying lightnings flash fire in my face,
    And the whirlwinds are whirling the dust round and round–
    And the blasts of the winds universal leap free
    And blow each other upon each, with a passion of sound,
    And æther goes mingling in storm with the sea!
    Such a curse on my head, in a manifest dread,
    From the hand of your Zeus has been hurtled along!
    O my mother’s fair glory! O Æther, enringing
    All eyes with the sweet common light of thy bringing,
    Dost see how I suffer this wrong?

    oime…!!!

  761. Paul, Lance A. is from Texas…!;))) … he doesnt easily give up..:)
    but of course the Conspiracy Theorists the have a “drug related” accusation for Lance and any Lance that excels in biking or anything:(

  762. and speaking of Texas;)

    Pole Dancing For Jesus In Texas
    POLE DANCING FOR JEEEEEEESUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSS????????????????????

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/pole-dancing-for-jesus_n_838653.html

    local Houston Fox affiliate had an interesting report recently on a hot new workout class: Pole Dancing For Jesus.

    It’s a women’s only class that happens once a month and you have to bring your church program to get in. At that point, it’s pretty much what you’d expect: your average, run-of-the-mill pole-dancing class powered by Christian rock music. Women are encouraged to develop a positive self-image through the class, celebrating the body God gave them.

    And now we’ll go celebrate the hysterical blindness God just gave us.

  763. a civilian-mass audience

    LANCE from Texas…I thought he was from Houston…
    Houston..we have a problem…
    oime..I better transfer to dreamland…

  764. a civilian-mass audience

    and before I go…a suggestion…

    Never,ever travel to a foreign country without proper documentation…
    (see Visa requirements)…oime…
    I am withdrawling…

    Love you ALLLLL!!!

  765. On October 2, 1996, at age 25, Armstrong was diagnosed with stage three testicular cancer. The cancer spread to his lungs, abdomen and brain. On that first visit to a urologist in Austin, Texas, for his cancer symptoms he was coughing up blood and had a large, painful testicular tumor. Immediate surgery and chemotherapy were required to save his life. Armstrong had an orchiectomy to remove his diseased testicle. After his surgery, his doctor stated that he had less than a 40% survival chance.
    The standard chemotherapeutic regimen for the treatment of this type of cancer is a cocktail of the drugs bleomycin, etoposide, and cisplatin (or Platinol) (BEP). Armstrong, however, chose an alternative, etoposide, ifosfamide, and cisplatin (VIP), to avoid the lung toxicity associated with the drug bleomycin. This decision may have saved his cycling career.

  766. a civilian-mass audience

    damnit…PANOS…you are insane…:))))))

    P.S …just a cruel joke …I know where is Houston but Do my chickens know…
    I don’t think so…:)))))))))))))))))))))

  767. Panos…
    It’s hard to believe anyone who’s been to hell and back thanks to cancer would be willing to risk his butt once again. Anyway even if he did it’s only the icing on the cake the other 98% is damn hard painful training and genetics. Genetics do play a big role in the game but if you don’t train properly they will be no use. Perfect example Jan Ulrich most talented rider genetics-wise since Eddy Mercks but lacking the killer instinct – mindset Armstrong Indurain, Merck, Contador, etc all had.

  768. Civi

    More gear talk I’m afraid.

    About chickens, as your the only person I know who has them. I have these 2 fucking hens here in Haiti. Started off great. They both laid 2 eggs a day. Then, suddenly. Nothing. I’m down to 2 or 3 a week. Total. The girlfriend wants eggs in the morning and I got nothing. I feed and feed these things. It would be cheaper to just buy eggs. Now I buy eggs and I buy chickenfeed. I’m paying double for eggs. And outside the door smells like chickenshit.

    I need your help. Everyone here gives advice but I don’t trust any of it. I just hung a lightbulb in the coop because they say that helps, but I figure I’d better come to you before it gets out of hand. They’ve cost me enough already.

  769. Jared yes …Light Room..get a bulb..do exactly the opposite of what u would in a darkroom…
    instead of Dodge, just Burn…reverse engineering… ok enough tech talk ;)

  770. a civilian-mass audience

    ok…JARED…first of all I need to know …
    what’s the weather in Haiti,spring…? what about the daylight…is it getting longer like here in Greece?
    did they go …through any weird experience,trauma lately…???

    My hens lay eggs almost every day…you don’t need a rooster:)
    they will rest though…maybe they will have a rest for a day …I had a case that it took a month…
    1) make a good home..no rain,wind,noise
    2) make them separate nests…u have only two
    3)keep their beds dry
    4)you might need to use the light
    5) feed them in a regular base…clean water
    6)*** check if there is a “thief” around…and if you see broken egg shells…not good

    if nothing works …have a nice chicken soup and go buy some eggs…
    otherwise Wishing you the best of luck…keep me post it…

    P.S…spring time is best…more consistency…BUT fall winter…not good…on and off…

  771. a civilian-mass audience

    hmmm…JARED …I just read your post again…

    maybe you don’t love them enough…they can feel it…
    and from PANO’S link…your shooting job rocks …
    so…my suggestion…
    stick with your camera(and girlfriend)…you love them more…:)))

    VIVAAAAAA!!!…you have to commit my friend;)

  772. in short – all the CITIZEN JOURNALIST material which has been on youtube since the start has finally been verified.. and the bbc pulls it all together..

  773. Jared; I don’t know about up there in the tropics, but here in the Sthn Hemisphere they go off the lay about now cos autumn’s arrived and the days are getting shorter. My mate who has the organic farm is always short of eggs to sell from now on.

  774. Civi!

    I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I don’t love them at all. Maybe I should release them and let the cocks in the yard have their fun. Chicken soup does sound good, though. Thanks for the advice, I’ll give ’em a reprieve for now and try some of your suggestions.

    David B

    Thanks for looking. I think it needs an edit, but I’m too close. Still here and adding, not subtracting much. probably needs some time.

  775. But yeah, the days are getting longer. But it’s constant summer here, with a wet and dry season. This is the dry season. No traumas that I know of except that one escaped and had a 2-day romance with a rooster. Could’ve been traumatic I guess.

  776. Nothing man, nothing. The weed here sucks, and Jamaica’s just thatawy… No idea why. It’s just me and the chickenshit, you know what I mean.

  777. The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn to say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars
    jack kerouac

  778. a civilian-mass audience

    Oime…MR.DAH…you got this quote right…!

    As JACK says…today I feel like a Yellow Greek candle BUT I had beans last nigh…
    and I should not explode by any means…:))) some things should never happen
    if you know what I mean:)))

    JARED…summer all year long?…you are in paradise…!
    regarding chickens…I trust you…you will find the way…either way;)

    Viva BURNIANS !!!

  779. Michael K, why so angry? And you’re entirely missing the point in the cartoon exchange. Real humanitarian intervention in a horrific genocidal situation, which, you know, never happens, would be one thing, but “humanitarian intervention,” i.e. war, in an oil producing country with complex tribal realities which we do not even begin to understand may actually be something else.

    Good reading material on the subject: three short stories by Paul Bowles; A Distant Episode, The Delicate Prey, and By the Water. And of course if you want to get it in long form The Sheltering Sky>/i>. Not that reading Bowles’s North African stories will do much of anything to help your understanding the situation in Libya, but they should help you realize how little you understand.

  780. No anger at all. Michael W. Smart ass-ness for sure, but no anger.

    I thought this whole bit was done in here. But you found it necessary to once again state your position. I followed up. That’s all.

    And it is you, my dear friend, who lack understanding. Think about that.

  781. Lack understanding about what? I trust we all agree on similar goals. Peace, prosperity, happiness, health, freedom for all. Some people, most people it seems, think that these things are best achieved by war and its attendant death and destruction. Personally, I see no evidence that war is peace or prosperity or happiness or health or freedom. But hey, maybe this time will be different?

  782. Comments like this: “Some people, most people it seems, think that these things are best achieved by war and its attendant death and destruction.”

    Seriously. There’s no discussion to be had after that.

  783. mw…
    I don’t think for one second Michael K is pro war…just totally against just as I am seeing another masacre…and if the only way to stop it is to send in the cavalry then do it…your words are great and full of truth and i hear your worries for all the cost of this operation and how yes once again the middle class will pay the brunt of all of this…but sometimes you just have to help out even if you are not sure it will work out…it would be great if everybody expressed and lived a life like you mention but alas it just doesn’t happen… And yes everybody should read 1984 and at least 11 other great classics per year…

  784. Real humanitarian intervention in a horrific genocidal situation, which, you know, never happens, would be one thing
    ——————-
    tell that to the survivors of the Holocaust, which basically every jew living in Europe was in 1945.

    The problem is that you guys tell us about these great books, some of which we read actually, as if they’ll help you see the light to not try to imagine anything could ever be different in this world, but then: you can’t get beyond common place (without the yawning?)”my side of the fence” comments in your posts. What gives?

  785. I was just speaking generally, not aimed at you Michael, but are you saying that you’re against using war to overthrow the government in Libya? If that’s what you’re saying, I guess I really did misunderstand.

    As is not unusual, I think this is something about which reasonable people can disagree. I’m by know means sure I’m right in this particular case, but unfortunately I’m not seeing a lot of evidence to the contrary. Just read all about it in the New York Times. Apparently there is no coherent Libyan rebel force, an actual academic expert on Libya thinks it’s a battle for tribal supremacy, the allies are already squabbling, and the U.S. is dictating who gets to be president of a foreign country and how it must be run.

  786. mw.. perhaps, and just perhaps, listening to what Libyans have to say directly could help understand better.. one thing is being a NYT journo, another is being a citizen… but then, I have no idea about the coverage you get in the US.

  787. Herve, seriously, you believe WWII was fought as a humanitarian intervention to save the Jews?

    Eva, I’m sure Libyans say all kinds of things. They’re certainly saying radically different things through their actions.

    We’ll see. And of course I sincerely hope it all tuns out right. Especially since there’s no telling how many Americans will lose their jobs or have their retirement benefits slashed or their healthcare costs increased or have their schools closed or their classrooms overcrowded or their freedoms diminished as a result. Hate to see us sacrifice all that and then have it turn out to be just another stupid war, just like the last stupid war, and the one before that…

  788. actually, the ww2 death camps were known about before the US intervention and were not, according to some historians, a basis for their intervention…
    right up to the liberation .. some wanted the crematoriums bombed in order to slow the process of elimination but the allies simple could not spare the resources, they say..

    what did happen is the “league of nations”.. for which the point was? hmm.

    the US involvement in libya is going to tail of quite quickly once command has been handed over to (probably) the french and english.

    i’m constantly in two minds about whats happening right now in libya..

  789. Herve, seriously, you believe WWII was fought as a humanitarian intervention to save the Jews?
    —————————–
    No, WWII was fought as a war, just like the intervention now is a war. I haven’t seen anywhere they avoided that word. From the first hint, Gates said it would simply be at war with Gaddafi.
    Same thing with Vietnam “liberating” Cambodia, BTW. they did not get in to stop Pol Pot starving his people to death, yet, with the doodoo, some good things happen.
    Reading books, studying events and trying to understand should rather encourage us not to feel like we must absolutely give the same opinion ad nauseam on western intervention (amongst other things). All I am saying.

  790. David B, even if lousy history students, we know that WW2 was about fighting against a regime who invaded and set Europe on fire.
    OTOH, with the extermination camps, we cannot just sum up in one sentence why, when what and how. Still, if I may, the fact is, extermination camps were liberated, not bombed, and not ignored on the road to Berlin. Do we agree?

  791. i’m constantly in two minds about whats happening right now in libya..

    Yep, that’s probably the most rational response.

    Herve, regarding encouraging people to give the same opinion, I get the impression that I’m the one on the wrong side of groupthink in this one. And truly, it’s mind boggling on the heels of the Iraq catastrophe and the ongoing Afghanistan fiasco that there’s overwhelming consensus on bombing yet another country whose complex tribal issues we have no understanding whatsoever. My guess is that Michael’s photo of the beheaded member of the pilot who’s probably from Gaddafi’s tribe (too bad about the app) will stand as the coda for the whole thing. But since it bothers you all so much, I’ll leave you the floor. None of this chatter matters in the least anyway. Peace. On to the next topic…

  792. a civilian-mass audience

    War,povery,abuse,human rights…come on we are all responsible…

    can I sing now…???

  793. Well, by “we” I meant the U.S.. I trust Italians are generally much better informed on North African issues given long history of conquest, proximity, better education, etc.

    Again, why all the anger? Can’t people have different opinions on how best to achieve the same goals?

  794. Ah.. my bad.. didn’t know it was a ‘we American’ vs. ‘we Italian’ thing.. thought everyone was expressing his/her personal opinion here..

    Anger? No, I just don’t like generalizations and superficiality, that’s all.

  795. Am I the only guy these days who uses an incident light meter when shooting? I must admit I don’t look at my screen often it’s usually turned off in the menu.

  796. I mean, generalizing that Americans don’t know squat about North African tribal issues is hardly superficial. I saw a study in today’s paper that found that 70 percent of Americans didn’t know the Constitution was the basis of our laws. Only thirty odd percent could pass the citizenship test, which is not very difficult.

  797. Michael, see that, in wording, you seem to be the one most bothered. I sure do have an emphatic response to G. vowing to massacre people, while yes, with some reflexion, intervention does raise problems, so best not to ALWAYS assume there is a clear wrong and right of doing something or not, based on a-prioris.

    A lot seems to indicate that the US doesn’t wish to go too far, and rather disengage from being numero uno in the coaliton, so is saying “once more, the US decide who governs a foreign country” so accurate here? Many of your points can be ours, anyway, come to the top of the fence with us. We see a bit better while…. understanding absolutely nothing! :-))))

  798. I trust Italians are generally much better informed on North African issues
    ——————————–

    Maybe. What I think is not so much that italians are better informed (transposing to french society), but that there is some kind of psychology as a people of a nation that takes root, given different histories, and that it does play a role in shaping responses to events. For ex., I think that if (or when) the USA had been invaded, or occupied like most countries in Europe have been, americans would not so easily see agression as such a good idea. Over the centuries, one gets tired of war, but USA is a young country, very rich and it fixed a lot of dilemmas when it rescinded the draft, so that most of the people who really have something to lose, dying/maimed for their country do not have to worry about walking the talk.

  799. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/uprisings-to-be-replicated-in-subsaharan-africa-predicts-hague-2249827.html

    The populist uprisings which have swept through North Africa and the Middle East will soon be replicated in undemocratic countries across sub-Saharan Africa, the Foreign Secretary William Hague predicted today.

    Directly citing the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe and the efforts by former President Laurent Gbagbo to cling to power in Ivory Coast Mr Hague said “demands for freedom” would spread and hinted that the international action against Gaddafi could be copied in other parts of the world.

  800. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/science/earth/22food.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

    Ten days after an earthquake and tsunami crippled a nuclear plant in Japan, officials are detecting abnormal levels of radiation in what may seem like a scattershot assortment of foods: milk from Fukushima Prefecture, where the reactors sit; spinach from Ibaraki Prefecture to the south; canola from Gunma Prefecture to the west; and chrysanthemum greens from Chiba to the south. Shipments of the milk and spinach have been banned.

  801. mw.. the same counts if it’s me generalizing or being superficial, I don’t like it.. that’s why you seldom see me using ‘we are’ ‘we think’ ‘we know’ etc.

  802. herve

    of course we did liberate the camps..
    when i mentioned that some wanted them bombed i neglected to mention that the people i referred to were some of the inmates themselves wanting the crematoria bombed when they heard local towns being bombed..

    two minds on libya.. yes.. in part due to expectations of events like this.
    i mean – for goodness sake.. uk fighter jets fly an 8 hour round trip, with the pilot deciding to not drop his ordinance because he thought he saw civilians..
    and then this..
    http://www.channel4.com/news/third-night-of-bombing-in-libya#c4news

  803. It seems G is making good use of the arms we’ve been selling him for years. Something to say for the excellence of our weaponry industries…. :-(

  804. i’m really skeptical about the “bang-bang club” film..

    hopefully it brings some of the brutality over in a way which does not present the photographers as the heroic “saviours”, as i think those PJ days are behind us..

    from the tailor it looks like an action film with a bit o love n movie-by-numbers plot.

    hope it’s going to respect memories along the way.

  805. Just finished the incredible book “Black Passport” from Stanley Greene. Very deep and personal. That’s photgraphy.
    Deep and personal!
    Strong pictures, full of feelings!
    Just borrowed it from the public library :-) Photography is sometimes not so expensive…

    Here a youtube link to the trailer:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVhWAOvgsI

    Patrcio

  806. Patricio;

    Funny, Black Passport is the next book on my Book Depository (usually cheaper than Amazon) watchlist. The trailer blew mew away the first time I saw it.

    I just had a Harry Crews book arrive this morning; they’re pretty scarce here in NZ and I’ve waited for a long time for one to show up on auction. Still waiting for my 3 Faulkners to arrive though…

    One of my friends just told me that she thinks I have book OCD… Nah; just a geek!

  807. a civilian-mass audience

    I love your pics,rock on…I had a photo link too But the chicken ate it …hmmm…
    so,can I sing now…???

  808. no time, or wish to weigh in….on libya, but one thing i will agree with, is the question as to what libyans think…and let me say directly, that just yesterday, i spoke with 3 libyans…my student (i mentioned him earlier), his wife and his brother (who, ironically) happen to visit Toronto in January to see his new nephew (my student’s new born son) and was to have returned to libya next week…not now….

    i showed them some of the comments here yesterday….

    they are a very divided family on this…not on the issue of Gadaffi (even though they were all gainfully employed, 2 in the oil industry), but on the issue of both the intervention by europe/usa and what should have been done earlier/now…

    US/europe seems depressingly self-congratulating once again….though i am certain, for now, the people of libya will be better off once G is gone…but the equating Libya (and now the decision by us/europe to act NOW) with WWII, let alone Cambodia/Rwanda etc is not only foolish but frightening….

    i too am torn, but I also find some of the bellicose mentalities here angering…where, oh where, was their ferocity 3 weeks ago when the women were burned alive in Ivory Coast (intervention?)…..

    no time, nor energy, to write….so i guess with MW, i’m the one against the general tide here, so i’ll cheat…and say, here is basically my point of view…..here is the debate between Chomsky and Buckley during Vietnam….it is hard, for me frankly, to find a more convincing argument that what Chomsky makes….true then, true now…

    We (US/Europe) are not that humanitarian that intervention is being done purely for altruistic reasons…then again, we always make ourselves feel better when we’re convinced we’re helping….

    here is part 1 (if you are interested, i would suggest watching both parts)…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI

    running
    b

  809. Ross…

    Any chance of seeing this best photo sometime?
    Must buy Stanley Greene’s ”Passport” next month, one more for the library! Stand proudly next to Natchwey’s ”Inferno”…I’ve never been able to look at more than two chapters in one sitting.

  810. i too am torn
    ———–
    Thanks, Bob!

    I will watch the videos (Chomsky/Buckley?), sadly these days, there is nothing comparable on US TV anymore.
    about Rwanda/Cambodia, the comparison was only about: never intervening not having the moral ground (which the US certainly did not have there, for sure). Yet, as a person I see no problem to see a thread thru all of them, if wishing to understand or come to terms, on a personal level, with the, to be short, the world I live in.
    I think the bellicose and ferocious tone is only looking so because of the written form. I think the volume of comments on Lybia, vs Ivory Coast crime, is also because the US is involved. I have no doubt that if I gave a link on child sex slavery (happening now!) in Cambodia, it would not start a conversation here. IMO.

  811. a civilian-mass audience

    We are all torn…BOBBY(yeap,it hurts when you listen Chomsky…B…
    I believe …(from all the comments)…that all my BURNIANS ,here in BURNLAND, feel the same…

    “We learn from history that we do not learn anything from history.”
    and I strongly believe
    We are All responsible…

    P.S …as PAUL says…yeap ROSSY …when the time and timing is right…the photo,please:)!!

  812. a civilian-mass audience

    And to All MY BURNIANS…

    I am the one responsible…cause I DO generalize, I do like etiquettes…
    I overuse … WE, US…hmmm…
    for the sake of my “civilian” name…I have wrongly spoken…

    can I sing now?

  813. Bob B..

    You’re bothered by some of the language regarding this conversation? You mean like Michael Webster saying Obama, Sarkozy, et al are no different than Gaddafi? That they are currently on a murder spree? That what you’re talking about?

    Or, per Anthony RZ, the Jews running American print are responsible for all this? Is that what you’re talking about?

  814. Hey Bob, I was about to chime in about how Chomsky is losing every battle but winning the argument over time, which is true, but you really have to read him, to wade deep into “For Reasons of State” and “The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism,” to get the overwhelming power of the facts he presents. Watching clips of lame ass right wing nuts shout him down just doesn’t do it, though it is an entertaining genre, no doubt.

    Anyway, here’s Chomsky for you the modern person, talking about our Libya adventure today, and channeled through a Jewish controlled media at that. Just click here.

  815. Also, would you have berated our buddy P. had he been as “bellicose” about the women from Ivory Coast? (I have no doubt he is pissed about that and might even be “bellicose” about it, it just wasn’t on his radar at that point in time, maybe.) But he has been consistent. He has been almost daily speaking up for all the folks in the Arab world protesting, rebelling, fighting for a more democratic way in their countries. If he missed a part of the world in all this… fuck it, sue him! (The man can defend himself just fine, of course, doesn’t need me to do it for him.)

    Sitting idly by as the world erupts, not speaking up, even in the smallest of ways just seems sad.

  816. Doesn’t this (or shouldn’t this) all come down to principle. You either think our intervention is a positive force in the world or the opposite.

    Example. A lot of people are going to die in Libya. Most of them innocent. Both the rebels and Gaddafi’s men. They’re likely to be poor people dying because it’s the only way towards a better life considering their exact, specific situations. Either poor rebels die or poor military men die. Whether we intervene or not.

    So why not stand up for principal and say let’s stay out of other countries business.

  817. Also, would you have berated our buddy P. had he been as “bellicose” about the women from Ivory Coast? (I have no doubt he is pissed about that and might even be “bellicose” about it, it just wasn’t on his radar at that point in time, maybe.) But he has been consistent.
    ————————————————————

    angry, hungry, insane (what else? )…ahhh..superior!!???…and now “bellicose” and more obviously to come..(yes i do feel like a “rebel” in libya right now..getting pounded by enemies and also friends…)

    but , but..thank u MikeK coz i really didnt have the Ivory coast story in my radar…i mean what arab or african country do i put my attention first????…
    Anyway thats not funny..but yes true..a folk has that much time to follow those crazy developments..and everything is happening so fast…to digest or even understand…I personally “lost” it the day the 4 journalists were cought by that Gaddafi asshole…i really lost it..i thought the kids were dead or worst…but i feel a little better now once they were released..Mike K thanks again for paying attention and worry only about your self advertisement and/or self promotion..
    big hug
    thanks again…:)

  818. If he missed a part of the world in all this… fuck it, sue him!
    ——————————————————–
    lol..yes, MichaelK thanks again…if they dont like me, let them sue me..or as dr.DRE used to say:”if u dont like me, blow me;)
    peace

  819. u see..thats the thing with Bob’s slung…
    Im never sure if he is praising me or attacking…:))))))))))
    (((Jingoistic and bellicose)))
    is it good or bad?…hmm i need to toss a coin and i hope i’ll find out ;)
    peace to Libya (yeah right)

  820. Jingoism
    is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as “extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy”. In practice, it refers to the advocation of the use of threats or actual force against other countries in order to safeguard what they perceive as their country’s national interests, and colloquially to excessive bias in judging one’s own country as superior to others – an extreme type of nationalism.
    type of nationalism
    an extreme type of nationalism
    an extreme type of nationalism
    an extreme type of nationalism
    an extreme type of nationalism

    he he..thank u google…thank u bob :)

  821. Definition of BELLICOSE

    : favoring or inclined to start quarrels or wars
    — bel·li·cos·i·ty noun
    See bellicose defined for English-language learners »
    Examples of BELLICOSE

    ——————————————————–
    thank u google, thank u Tony RZ, thank you Bob:)))))

    (new words i learned today, good day 4 me;)

  822. Paul/Civi;

    Yes you will see it; but I’m holding all the cards for this project pretty close to my chest at the moment. Not trying to go all Secret Squirrel on anyone; just want to shoot a bit more and see how things turn out. Don’t want to jinx everything. For a change I feel I may be onto something! Anyway; me saying one of my pics is good is only damning it with faint praise…

  823. anyway , enough with this Burn civil war and lets go back to Libya before the new “epithets” arrive…

    “Tyler’s hands were bound by a strip of a scarf. A soldier took off Lynsey’s gray Nike shoes, then bound her with the shoelaces. “God, I just don’t want to be raped,” she whispered to Steve.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/world/africa/23times.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

    (Gaddafi love? anyone? shame… on all Gaddafi supportrs…shame on you:(

  824. WASHINGTON — An American pilot and a weapons officer were safely rescued in Libya on Tuesday after their warplane crashed near Benghazi, but the United States Marine Corps dropped two 500-pound bombs during the recovery and faced questions about whether Marines had fired on villagers.

    the United States military said that an equipment malfunction rather than enemy fire brought down the plane.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/world/africa/23plane.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

  825. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…damnit…the last link…oime!
    I’ve watched with some othe civilians…we didn’t want to admit…
    BUT we knew it…yeap,we knew it,25th is coming,we are going down…oi,oi

    ROSSY,
    don’t jinx it…I can wait…:)))

    EVA,SEAN…!!!

    PEACE, LOVE and PHOTOGRAPHY…!!! where are you my BURNIANS???
    Be safe, be focused,be YOU…

  826. a civilian-mass audience

    “It’s all about hope, kindness and a connection with one another.”
    Elizabeth Taylor

    Thank you MRS.TAYLOR…enjoy the upstairs area…full with “gems”…!!!

  827. Dame Elizabeth Rosemond Taylor, arguably the last great female star of
    the Hollywood studio system, has died at the age of 79.

    The Oscar-winning star died in the early hours of the morning at Cedars-Sinai medical centre in Los Angeles, from congestive heart failure,

  828. a civilian-mass audience

    Ref: Twitter Feed

    No, you are not done…just you are taking a break…
    if you know…what I mean;)

  829. a civilian-mass audience

    Tonight…I wanna swear too…
    damnit…
    damnit…hmmm…no swear words in English…I might google…:)))

  830. Hi Eva :))

    THANKS SO MUCH for the link and reminding me….i mentioned it to marina last time you sent the link and we have a close photographer friend who has participated in the Festival 2x’s and has encourage us to submit prior….alas, i’ve been so focused on Loomings (edit/re-edit, change, etc) that the russia stuff is on hold….BUT, marina will submit for sure….:)))….i’ll be going after houston foto in 2014…anyway…

    thanks again, much much appreciated…when marina hears, will let y’all know

    hugs
    bob

  831. Ok, it was bit bellicose around here. Not sure why, I think you guys are all fine people.
    It would not occur to me tho shoot the messenger, and my aim is not that precise to shoot the message either. I am with Bob and non-interventionist if all they’re doing is messing it up more, because the goal is…Well, because there is no goal, if what you are doing has to be explained only by stating what you are not trying to do.

  832. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA VIVA you did it again!!!
    Come on BURNING ladies…I know you are out there…!!!

    BOBBY,MARINA…time to rock!!!

    PANOS…lipstick ladies…hmmm…the devil is in the details:)))

  833. a civilian-mass audience

    “Dave Clark, a British journalist, and Roberto Schmidt, a German photographer, were arrested in the Ajdabiya region, said AFP editor in chief for France, Jean Luc Bardet…”

    damnit…did they forget their visa too…???

    I have no worries…I surrender my passport to my EU friends…long time ago…

    two chickens gone…but I am so tired to look for them…

  834. Ok, it was bit bellicose around here…
    —————————

    Herve yes yes;) very BELLICOSE and super JINGOISTIC….I also second and agree with everything bob has to write;)

  835. Every now and again… very rarely, but every now and again… even at this rather late cynical stage of life, something comes along and reminds me that I can be moved. That once in a while I can still be made to stand up and pump my fist in the air and say “Fuckin’ ay goddamn right, brother!”

    This is one of those times. Click and enjoy, all you noble teachers!

  836. Love the comment though
    Of course, he stopped teaching and did voice-overs for Burger King commercials. Ahhhh…. the noble Taylor Mali.

  837. a civilian-mass audience

    damnit…my teachers didn’t teach me to swear in English…hmmm…or maybe they did…;)

    Coffee time…goodmorning from Grecolandia !

  838. Hey David, do you know Bruce Baumann? His bio says he was a picture editor, designer and photographer at National Geographic for five years. I came across his new magazine while working on Rurality. It’s an interesting example of what can be done with these new publishing technologies. Not on the magnitude of Burn, but incredible in its own small way.

  839. MICHAEL

    i have known Bruce my entire career…long before he was an editor at NG and long after…i am unaware of his new magazine, but will take a look after this weekend….thanks for the tip

    cheers, david

  840. David, he seems like a great guy and I am very impressed with what he’s doing out there. The farm auction story especially. Of course his Rurality is radically different than the one I’m documenting, but I see and appreciate his as well. It’s an odd dichotomy. The lengths we go to to see the things we want to see.

  841. Amazing! I’m starting to believe in the theory of Synchronicity…in the last 24 hours I’m seeing one experience after another and they all have something to do with Burn.
    MAGIC!!

  842. Going further back in the time machine, looks like my old photojournalism professor Will Counts got a picture (scroll down, it’s the one from Little Rock) in the NYT the other day.

    Unfortunately, the original (since changed) caption read “In 1957 in Little Rock, Ark., the shirtwaist became a symbol of stoic resistance in a battleground over segregation,” making it sound like the Little Rock Nine, and presumably Counts as well, were just making some kind of fashion statement.

    See what can happen to your iconic photos?

  843. Wife, kids and I did our own personal little roadtrip last Sunday and we had some fun. You’ve got to be careful round here, to long a roadtrip and it can turn into a boat trip, the island isn’t very large…you see people who lived half their lives here shudder when someone mentions driving for more than half an hour. Anyway we decided to go to nice rural market started out as a cloudy day out and ended in a lovely Mediterranean Sunday afternoon…and of course I took the usual kit…crutches and camera.
    http://adesirecalledcamera.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/rural-sunday-market/

  844. CIVI – I have a degree in English swearing from a top university, I’m sure I can teach you general proficiency! ;-P

    GENERAL – I don’t suppose you guys can help me. I’m looking to pull together a list of photo projects that have been done on buses and/or trains.

    I so far have….
    Davidson – Subway
    Andrew Glickman’s Washington trains project
    Tom Wood – All Zones Off Peak
    Christophe Agou – Life Below

    And I’m sure I’d heard of a few others, but I seem to be struggling to find them now! Massive thanks to anyone who posts with tips. There surely are much more.

  845. Steve Jobs To Tawkon: “No Interest” In Your Phone Radiation Measurement App

    I see you driving ’round town with an app that measures cellular radiation, and I’m like, “no interest”.

    Apple head honcho Steve Jobs has made it abundantly clear that Tawkon‘s phone radiation measurement application is not welcome on its official App Store, pushing the startup to make it available for free (for jailbroken iPhones) through Cydia instead.

    Tawkon sent a courteous email to Jobs in the hopes of gaining approval for distribution of the application through Apple’s App Store, only to receive a characteristically curt response back:

    No interest.

    Sent from my iPhone

    The full email thread is below, followed immediately by Cee-Lo Green’s ‘Fuck You’ music video.

    http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/24/steve-jobs-to-tawkon-no-interest-in-your-phone-radiation-measurement-app/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29

  846. Framers Intent:

    Robert Frank: NY Bus
    Paul Fusco’s: Robert Kennedy’s Coffin Trip (not the title, just the description)
    John Vink: Riding A Train across the WEst part of America
    DELAHAYE’S: L’AUTRE BOOK (faces on Paris Subway)

    that’s just a quick list…got so much more in my head, but will try and write more later…

    cheers
    bob

  847. Thanks Bob! Nice one! As I’ve said previously, I’ve been working on a bus project – currently waiting on a change in weather to finish it – and I want to be able to compare my work (both in individual image quality and overall ‘theme’) with that of others who have done transit work.

    Oh yes, of course I also know of Evans’ subway work! *blushes at having missed him off my list*

    I’ll look those works up right now, thanks again!

  848. I have come to dislike “perfect.” Perfect is plastic, empty, instant gratification, lovely to look at to be sure, but all dressed up with no place to go. Perfect is cheap and easy, Life, no matter what artifical constructs we place upon it to ease our minds, is neither.

  849. Thanks Eva, that was a very nice slideshow! I can’t help feeling that the images are heavily processed – some had that ‘glow’ around figures that makes me question what came out of the camera, but the vibe was interesting and there were some serious quality images in there creating a powerful mood. Loved viewing it.

    I’ll also confess to breathing a sigh of relief that my own project looks different to those I’ve so far seen. Being in Liverpool, on the bus, and shooting colour, a lot of people automatically go “oh, so you’re working like Tom Wood” but there’s a different underlying notion I’m trying to convey. Still got lots to do, but looking at the work of others both educates me and reassures me that there is still something to be said about these spaces.

  850. Global post???? hmmm…(im not responsible for this:)

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/the-rice-bowl/penis-size-world-map

    Penis sizes worldwide: Yeah, there’s a map for that

    Emily LodishMarch 23, 2011 16:04Updated March 24, 2011 08:41

    A Roman statue of Venus and Mars is displayed at Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s office on Nov. 18, 2010 after being restored. Mars got a new penis and Venus a new hand under orders from the Italian leader. (Andreas Solaro/AFP/Getty Images)
    Well, finally. Thank you targetmap.com, a website with customized data maps, for a long overdue look at penis sizes around the world.

    But before you get all excited, let me just tell you that Asia does not fare exceedingly well.

    According to this interactive map, all of the world’s least well-endowed countries are located there, with South Korea bringing up the rear at 3.8 inches.

    India and Thailand and Cambodia go head to head (to head), each coming in at a solid 4 inches.

    China’s little soldiers, ranking 4.3 inches on average, are a good match for Japan’s Capt. Winkies (also 4.3 inches).

    But the real weenies seem to be in the Congo (7.1 inches), with Ecuador not far behind (6.9 inches).

    And in case you’re still unsure of which country you’d like to visit next, get a load of this:

    Another map that attempts to correlate penis size with IQ — two things that, in the case of China and Africa,

  851. Ahhh, I have an ingrained and automatic fondness for any (decent) photograph made on an American train – even the adverts have their own recognisable dimensions. It takes me back to Aug 2010 and late summer 2009 when, each time, I spent a while in New Jersey gigging and would take the train from New Brunswick into NYC. I had an instant love affair with NYC, the nergy of that cit and its magnitude and vastness – its challenge appeal to me, taunts me to be there as soon and as much as I can. On the train, as we approached, I’d be glued to the windows, watching for the ball parks and football stadiums, the morse code of introductions to the city I was about to be in for the day. Across the two trips to NJ, Philly, and MA, I only spent about a week in NYC, but I just knew from the first instant I was in that place that it was my home. Gotta get back there.

  852. 7.0 earthquake in Burma, region near North Thailand. I read even parts of Bangkok were rattled… Last think Burmese need, I hope damage was limited.

  853. platons portraits are striking to me because they follow a formality across the subjects.. gadaffi framed like putin.. lighting, palet and background.. and so on.
    it strips away everything but the character, there is no environment.. the expressions are often similar – requiring his own embellishment to complete the circle..

    i think that’s fine – text completing the picture works really well, and his style of writing, (in the moment, honest and mundane), does a good job of removing any propagandist complexity which may surround his subjects.

    anyway.

  854. .. and is this the weirdest fucking “competiti8on” ever?
    i mean – there is WPP and CAPA gold medal for thjsoe who undertake the work, yet entering work in a “war photography competition”?!

    how crass would one be to enter?
    http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2037396/war-photography-contest-calling-entries?WT.rss_f=All+the+latest+articles+from+BJP&WT.rss_a=War+photography+contest+calling+for+entries

    “War photography contest calling for entries” reads like a macabre and bitter search for horror and those that would open the window to it.. were you to document war, could you enter your worst in a “competition”?

    i don’t know..
    i think this latest round of 24 hour media feeding frenzy in the middle east has all but ignored the “classical” and “ethical” journalists who photograph horror because they are “angry” in favor of people there on the ground at the moment, using whatever means they have to record what is happening.

    apart from, of course, when jounros from the west get themselves in trouble… when a sharp focus is drawn.. heros are made.. and fixers die..
    but have their photos changed anything?

  855. so astonished at the young-age or intrepid-nature of “our own” exported PJ’s are the media, that they entirely neglect to acknowledge the very people who founded and conceived the current revolutions in the middle east.. through haphazard and basic internet journalism.

    it seems that the youtube footage on CNN and BBC does not actually come from an “unconfirmed” nor “public-networking” sources.. rather it comes from real people.

    why is the thunder being stolen from now dead reporters?

    no doubt i’ll regret saying this in the morning.

  856. Grrr, I’m trying to build a website in Drupal 7 and it’s not going well at all. Totally off topic, I know, but I’m tired and needed to vent. Grrr.

  857. Woo hoo! Glory is mine!! Okay, it almost is. Had a break through. Now have a ton of work to do on various things. But I currently have site with images and it looks slick and it works on iPhones. So, I’m nearly there. Now I just need to figure out how to tweak it to make navigation easier, then sort the images that will go on it. But stay tuned. I’m going web 2.0 (and it’s long overdue already…)

  858. It seems that to the journalistic microcosm, the fate of 4 photographers is more important than the fate of an entire nation, or opposition if you want. Then people cry foul because Fox edits its News as it wishes.

    Food for thought….

  859. It’s odd, if i take images everyday and work aware of everything surrounding me, judging every frame at the precise moment of exposure i don’t find any magic. On the other hand if i go out free no worrying and no judging of every frame, taking photos of everything, invariably at some moment i ”lose myself” and i create something above the ordinary and magical.
    Does this also occur with all of you?

  860. ”I came to realize that a successful picture is a surprise, something we have never seen before and will never see again.”
    Constatine Manos.

  861. Eva…
    What I was trying to explain was judging my photos exactly before and after the exposure only creates in my case a ”non creative environment”…these thoughts choke my creativity and fun. If I just begin ”seeing and photographing everything”, things awaken within me which usually are constrained by schooling and training. I suppose when I manage this state of awareness I’m ”Here Right Now” we tend to spend more time thinking about the future and the past…instead of now. Existence or being…letting the real life the extraodinary absorb you and instead of the usual daily chores.

    On my mobile and I can’t view Picassa…I suppose the personal work which can resonate with others has to have a universal appeal, something we can all identify with.

  862. Eva…

    Managed to look at your Picassa link…
    All I can say is I hope to one day to be able to “see” as you do.

  863. Gordon, Thodoris, Paul, thanks :)

    Paul.. to see here was easy, pictures were there right in front of me, with the additional benefit that I had not many daily chores, nothing else to think about much.. but that was also the most difficult part, too much time to think, so making pictures was.. easy and necessary, to me.. not looking for memories, but recording them..weird..

    As for your quest.. have you ever tried not to look at the pictures you take for weeks or months? I think I’m lucky with this, shooting film helps, no screen to check, and letting the rolls sit..

  864. EVA – your images are very moving. Number 5 is very touching in a fun way given the overall feel of the set, I love that being in there, I really do. But number 2 is very powerful for more sombre reasons. Does everything it needs to do – you know when you see an image and you think “that couldn’t have been made any better, couldn’t have been shot better from any other position/angle”? Well, that’s what I think with that image. Great work.

  865. Eva…

    Yes I’ve done this many times and it invariably always offers you different perspective than if you processed them straight away. As you mentioned with film it is so much easier to wait…actually I haven’t developed any film since January and I’ve got five rolls of Tri-x and a couple of Hp5 and one roll of 120 Tri-X shot way before I started commenting on Burn…
    I rarely erase any of my images and every so often I go exploring and it is incredible to see things you never thought were any good turn into favourite and of course vice versa.
    A photographer I sometimes bump into in the street tells me he buys the cheap memory cards fills them up and doesn’t download them to a hardisk just goes on buying more and more cards. At the end of the year he begins to wade through all the cards.

  866. “it is incredible to see things you never thought were any good turn into favourite and of course vice versa”

    I find that I’m the complete opposite. Except that I cull a lot more that I didn’t have the heart to get rid of at the time (of shooting); yet deep down I knew I would eventually can them (at a later date). I’m much more ruthless now though.

    The problem with storage being so cheap is that you keep a ton of crap that you should just hit the delete button to; well in my case anyway! :-)

    About 6-months ago I dumped about 30GB of pics and don’t regret it for a second. Even now; everything I shot up until about 6-months ago is on a hard drive that I won’t revisit. Most of it is crap, so what’s the point? I decided to make a new line in the sand and moved forward. Very cathartic…. :-)

  867. a civilian-mass audience

    Goodmorning MY BURNIANS!

    I just finished celebrating …”the earth hour”…
    and with the new austerity measures…I might continue celebrating

    oups…hold on…London is calling…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbD5v2xijqw
    I hear you…from a faraway town

    EVA,VIVA…number 3…is the one for me…it hits home…
    but I love them all!!!

    FRAMERS…Happy Birthday my lady…have the beers ready,i am coming over:)!!

    to my Japanese people, greek water is on the way!
    and to the rest of the Universe …I am working hard…I will deliver

    and yes,DAHAWK has IT right…LOVE !!!
    and I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL MY BURNIANS…

  868. A lot of what we see on photographic sites fills in blanks about stuff we already know………….. maybe photography should strive to go beyond just that.

  869. a civilian-mass audience

    Viva AUSSIES…

    Vroom,vroom…Formula ONE…can I mix coffee with beer…vroom…
    running:)))

  870. “Herve
    March 26, 2011 at 12:18 am
    It seems that to the journalistic microcosm, the fate of 4 photographers is more important than the fate of an entire nation, or opposition if you want. Then people cry foul because Fox edits its News as it wishes.
    Food for thought….”

    the media loves a war.. viewing numbers peak.. “hero’s” are made.. simple stories.. good guy bad guys.. journalists love a war.. their work becomes “iconic”.. they witness history.. war makes careers.. the public loves a war.. consuming images and stories from a world who’s exoticism is so far removed that whatever our own condition – it’s relatively comfortable.. politicians love a war.. the business.. the spoils.. election fever.. wars win a 2nd and 3rd terms..

    the media becomes an essential part of the modern war experience.. a limb from the same animal, which may be as complicit as the politicians when they earn from it, as guilty of hero worship as the military when they pin medals on their own, and as inflammatory and fermenting in their opinions as the waring sides themselves..
    when a journo gets into trouble, whatever is happening the metaphorical presses stop.. the “media microcosm” knows it is central to the story..

    such a horrible mess..

  871. and then there are the ones without memorials, without a day of remembrance, who through most wars die in much greater numbers than the military, who earn nothing and loose everything?

    it’s our very own civilian mass audience.

  872. David B…

    The media knows very well that the general public loves a bit of blood and guts… keeps them from being bored! Just the same in the world of Formula 1 Grand Prix, a lot of the public/audience is also waiting for some exciting accident to make their Sunday worthwhile.

  873. Eva…

    Do you ever have the desire to shoot in colour? I’ve always envied those who can shoot happily away in BW without being distracted by colours or having to worry much about the quality of the light.

  874. Then people cry foul because Fox edits its News as it wishes.

    For those unfamiliar with Fox News, it is a propaganda organization associated with the U.S. Republican party, the Inner Party so to speak, and no more a news organization than Pravda was back in the Soviet heyday. It’s the “two minute hate” broadcast pretty much 24 hours a day. Mostly angry, dishonest people angrily lying and spreading misinformation in order to amass power and fortune and punish as many as possible for their thought crimes.

    It’s not about how they edit “their” news, it’s how they manufacture it to suit the cause. And just like the “two minute hate” of yore, a lot of it serves to express their hatred for the principles of democracy.

  875. Paul:

    One way to capture the fine moments around the edge – where so much happens, and where so much is missed – is to concentrate in a contradictory manner on a particular theme. Ralph Gibson uses this approach. Go out to the street with the idea of capturing something specific…say, women wearing yellow, polka-dotted scarves…even if you never see such a moment, the restriction it places on your focus oddly enough frees your mind to catch things you would otherwise miss. It is the self-imposed imprisionment of your thoughts which opens up the observational process. Shut down one part of your head to open up others!

    I recall seeing a video of David on the street, unable to start because the story hadn’t hit him yet. No worries for him however, he knew it would arrive.

    Eva:

    The essay is enjoyable, well-stated and clear. The way the man’s optimism comes through in the face of adversity is wonderful; the story is a lesson for us all.

    Civilian:

    I thought the candlelit walk in High Park last night for Earth Hour would be an easy stroll on the paved park paths with middle-aged environmentalists. Evidence of my weakness for generalizations was proven once again when I ended up humping it with kids through the forest on snow covered mud trails. Kids – 1; street shoes – 0…

  876. Jeff…

    “working round the edges in contradictory manner on a particular theme.” I just love the way those words work together and yes that is one very good idea…Thanks. Think I’ll give this idea a try…hmm I don’t seem to be an essay photographer I work happiest round single images, actually having a hard time with this type of photography. Landscape photography in many ways at least to me is a lot easier although the whole act of going out searching for a rewarding image in the wild has turned into something meaningless and rather hollow…of course this is only a very personal burnt out point of view.
    I love Ralph Gibson’s work, I bought Refractions a couple of years ago, just his thoughts on aesthetics and photography…
    http://ralphgibson.myshopify.com/products/refractions

  877. Eva…

    “It is difficult to make colour photographs that aren’t pretty, that have content as well as colour – in which something is happening that is intriguing, fascinating or complex.”
    “I spend a lot of time watching and waiting. The shooting is always done in the late part of the afternoon when the light and the colour are right and I go back to places again and again.”

    Constantine Manos.

  878. Paul.. yes with what Manos says, but that doesn’t mean that light isn’t as crucial in bw as it is in colour..

  879. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…I was focused more on the bottle …but I do see… Einstein is my boy too…:)

    DAVIDB…”who earn nothing and loose everything?”…well said,mate…credit when credit is due!
    I need visual from TORCAPA…you know,from the FB area…I am watching you:)

    Κωσταντινος Μανος…he must be Greek…cause he is not a morning person:))))))))

    JEFF…:)
    I need visual:))

    MY BURNIANS…what are you up too?…if you are out there shooting…I need visual…
    I am the civilian mass audience…the one who earns everything and loose nothing!!!

    Viva…vroom,vroooommm

  880. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…

    “… general public loves a bit of blood and guts”…
    and the public loves …speed too…vroom,vroom…:)))

  881. a civilian-mass audience

    JIMMY,
    if you read me…check this out…
    I am still wearing the silver pan…facing west…:)
    and…you are indeed a true BURNIAN !

    oime,I miss so many of you…you know your names…I love you ALLLLLL

  882. Eva…

    Of course but just take a look at the second set of David’s images at the top of the page and remove the magic light… it suddenly loses that extra dimension and probably the only way to go would be in BW.

  883. Paul.. not so sure they’d work in bw then eiter.. take the light (and therefore the shadows and a great deal of tonalities and contrast) away and you’d have flat bw pics..

  884. Paul:

    Thanks for the referral; Gibson said in a lecture in Toronto a few years back that he could never look at his work objectively. He had his favourites, and couldn’t understand why the public preferred others. Also, he realized sometime along the way that he was fairly well emotionally removed and detached from his subject matter. This was comforting to me, as they were two parts of my approach I had problems with. Result? I no longer worry about these issues; but I sense that these are problems that Sara Katz has addressed and solved in her recently posted essay.

    Civilian:

    Visual edification?:

    http://forums.dpreview.com/galleries/8965445656/albums/earth-hour-2011-high-park/slideshow

  885. a civilian-mass audience

    JEFF…I can’t see …hmmm…my computer slow ,stuck :(

    GORDON…yeap,I love your life…

    VIVA!

  886. Civi.. seems to me Gordon’s trying to set the earth on fire and Jeff’s freezing up there where he is, wherever that is.. I see SNOW! ;)

  887. a civilian-mass audience

    NoOO,FRAMERS …check my post up there…beers on you,today;)))
    Liverpool is calling…yioohoo

    EVA…I second you…:)))

    PARTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  888. Happy Birthday Framers! Raising a morning cup of coffee to your health (too early for booze)! Thanks for all the help you gave me re the recording a while ago! :-)

  889. Paul:

    Thanks – I previously read the latter – the Paris Voice interview is terrific, and really rips out my guts and re-aligns them!

    Framer’s Intent:

    I just came across this on open-i a few days ago:

    http://open-i.ning.com/video/session-from-format-11-on

    (To anyone who wonders if Sara’s intelligence and wisdom ends at the written word, have a listen to her lecture…and admire how she took the initative to solve an interesting problem regarding social media.)

    Happy birthday, FI! Respect.

  890. a civilian-mass audience

    JEFF…I can see them now…oime…you Canadians:)))

    PANOS,MICHAELK,MW,PAUL…thanks for the links…

    yeap,ROSSY…coffee for you…enjoy!!!

    To ALL MY BURNIANS,to the DONORS,to the SPONSORS to be,to the MEDIUMS and MAGNUMS,to the SILENT READERS,
    to the UNIVERSE,to our SPACECOWBOY and to our UPSTAIRS Friends,to OUR BURNING CREW and of course
    to the One MR.DAVID A.HARVEY…have a beautiful night or day…

    We shall overcome…Viva…!!!

  891. a civilian-mass audience

    and yes…I am not gonna sing tonight…nope…

    But I am gonna copy and paste…Truce and Peace out…

    Yoho,yoho,the pirate’s life for me…:)

  892. Cannot. See. Straight. One packet of crisp all day. Night out. Everyone buying me pints. Came home and now watching Iron Man. Because it is the only thiing on On Demand that I could recognise the title of. Vaguely. 45 mins in, and I’ve still not read a word. Tried to read the posts on Lea;s essay here, after mine. Failed misrably.

    I photographed. Jazz. We shll see if any make sense tomorrow. I had ideas. But was drunk so execution may not be there. Vibe photos of the percussionists with a long exposure – going for hand in focus and shaprish, yet also hand motion. Then one of my band’s sax plaer, Luke, playing On Green Dolphin St and Happy Birthday for me.

    In short, I am a little drunk. Even at 5 foot 9.

    Yes, it is past midnight. But it is still my birthday. Bugger stole an hour of my birthday by pushing the clocks forward! The only day in my life I get to turn 27 on the 27th!! Well, I stole an hour back, buggers!

    Right, now I need some water…

  893. And CIVI – where’s my pint?!? I was waiting at the bar all night?

    And JEFF – *blushes deepest of deep crimsons* Thank you.

    Must. Drink. Water. Need. To. Sort. Webiste. Tomorrow.

  894. Synopsis of Lea’s essay comments….

    On camera flash = snapshot

    Texas + socialism = error

    Punishing/Not helping adults = ignoring innocent children

    Burn ‘feuds’ from essay #2 = not having to mention the specific images in essay #x at all

    Reading when drunk = error

    Comprehending while drunk = system error

    Posting while drunk = inadvisable

  895. a civilian-mass audience

    FRAMERS …in Grecolandia when you have birthday…the drinks are ON you…
    oime…but since I have to go with your Liverpoulian trandition…
    then ok,next round on me…:)safe travels with your hangover:)

    and for All My BURNIANS…Safe Travels…the Journey my friends,enjoy the journey

    Coffee for the 5’9’s and the FujiX100 and the 27’s…yeap,who the heck messed up the clocks:(

  896. Jeff…

    Seeing as you seem to be a fan of painting and art in general thought you would interested in Ralph Gibson’s Refractions table of contents ….

    Introduction by Mark Davies.

    Aspects and influences…
    Malevitch and Matisse…
    Architecture…
    Sculpture…
    The Nude…
    Camera and lens…
    The frame…
    Perspective and focal length…
    Notes on the negative…
    The portrait…
    Ambivalence.
    Photographs of photography…
    Images of nothing…
    The still life…
    Music and photography…
    Book making…
    The diptych…
    Semiology…
    Brazil…
    Egypt…
    France…
    Italy…
    Bio…
    I didn’t mean to wet your appetite! If you search well you should be able to find the book at a reasonable price, I don’t remember paying more than 30 Euros…apart from the fact it’s a pretty thin book.

  897. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…where do you find this links…rock on!!!

    I feel for the snake…”which way…left or right…I hear vroom,vroom…”
    If the cobra knew it’s fate,it would have committed suicide,IMO.

    Ok,I am starting yoga…I need to learn how to breath …too much stress lately…
    my ancient greek body can only take 40Bq…
    BUT I can have a sip of my red wine…between my breaths:)))))
    Viva!

  898. a civilian-mass audience

    I am a writer
    I am a writer
    I believe in myself…I can do this
    I am going to submit …I think I am in the wrong magazine…
    1000 words…I am coming over…yiooohooooo

    as PAUL says…I didn’t mean to wet your appetite!

    P.S…hmmm…these leaks or these links or this link…proper Englishhhh…oime
    readproof is not in my agenda:)oime…I am a writer afterall:))))))))))

  899. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…oi,PAUL…

    I am a hippopotamus (greek word,the “river horse”)…I pretend that I swim but
    since I am heavy…I just walk,I can’t even float…hmmm
    and I live in a country surrounded by water
    BUT I am an optimist…I do adapt fairly well:)!!

  900. a civilian-mass audience

    not again:(…oime,then,it’s coming my way,tomorrow…
    no time for yoga…got to make new shelter
    running…the chickens…3 babies out

    EVA, you just saved 3 babies…
    I will be back

  901. Eva and Civi…

    Hop over to my zone! Bright navy blue sky with a couple of high wisps of cloud! As far as I’m concerned summer has arrived…my wife and neighbours will tell you I’m mad.

    According to an old song…
    “Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.”

  902. Whew, I have a slight hangover. Last night was fun. ;-P A naughty naughty combination of not nearly enough food and too much alcohol. Thanks for all the birthday wishes! A dear friend gave me two photobooks – one is Iron River, which I had been perusing at his place a few weeks back, but never finished. I became intrigued by John Vink’s pictures in there, and now I can enjoy them at my leisure, sweet!

    Right, must go and check the pictures I made last night. Uh, I mean, must go and check the pictures I made while heavily inebriated and then wonder both (a) why none are sharp and (b) what the hell I was trying to photograph… *fingers crossed at least one makes sense, I was trying for something*

    And big thanks to BURN!!! My brithday marks the halfway point of my first year’s photo’ing, and BURN has been major in helping me grow, love you guys! :-D

  903. Thodoris.. kinda figured, makes no sense.. :)

    Civi.. not so sure how I feel about saving babies knowing their future fate.. and Paul, rain actually is good, don’t have to go out, no gardenwork, no nothing, more time to print.. shhhhhh….

  904. Roberta Tavares

    David..
    I’ve lied. Your secret isn’t safe with me and now everyone will know the real side of what turned out to be “working in Rio” Saga 1- featuring : David Alan Harvey and his dreamteam crew
    We’ll miss him.
    Think twice…
    Being friend of David is exactly what it looks like…
    Working with David Alan Harvey is beyond the imaginable, predictability looses power, expectations are easily beaten ..They warned “-crazy !” . he proves himself the craziest. The non stopping pursuit of creativity, the moves, the rush, the sun compass, the overcome of unexpected events: don’t hide, don’t skip..DEAL WITH IT”.
    At the streets, he’s the magnet for the right spot,right flow, right people..the camera talks to him. The perfect moment is followed by inertia , everybody stops “– It’s here” . the place chosen him. Instinct, patient, Spanish mixed with Portuguese language and my people becomes his people, he’s part of the system , some magic happens and the next we know they care about him…names, emails, phone numbers, the happy end of his visit cards…One step wrong and all is dead “No time for mistakes”..He gets the killer…again. The two months preparation , expense sheets all over leading to the worthy 15 seconds …the motivation, the point at all, the DAH signature. The end of the day: full cards and store for more batteries. Time for the truth … in the screen comes the verdict ..He’s picky, he’s perfectionist .. give him at least two full- identity genius unique recognizable clean sexy emotional photos, and enough reason to celebrate night long.
    The gathering at the leaving room, guitar, uncountable jokes, photography vicious subject , the flow at the hotel room , the most beloved guest according to the front desk, the view from the window and Copacabana beach becomes the witness…the fifth floor wasn’t never so crowdy, loud and alive. Everyone is around him, the figure center who ends up with all the attention, friends, learners, supporters, providers, passion and passionate minds …I’ve listened smiles and tears..
    Walking at street “ hey, David Alan Harvey?” Rio de Janeiro’s touristic attraction.
    Pour more Jack, pick the glass , full table ..dinners and their surprises…where’s David? Look the seat close of the prettiest girls
    From mornings till nights….brainstorm, explanations, strategies, curiosity , looking out the box, being crazy in and outside the narrow convenient space.
    Precaution, never hesitation. From the high to the low, slums to penthouses, beach till back tie parties, me and celebrities..
    Different people, the same understanding: respect. Come the victory smile and here it goes: 24 hours becomes 48 …72 hs ..and sleep when you need and if you can..He never does, he’s dancing in the living room at the early morning..someone on the couch opened one eye “ who are you?” …I endorse: who are you David?
    Fame, admiration..full line at his show ..so many people outside waiting..”I’ll give an extra show”..They waited. He’s standing at the altar in the church once to wit a baptism and after kids performing a tribute to him , he’s the unique outsider invited for the grandmother birthday of the most traditional family in Rio, he’s in front off Obama, and spoiled by Anne Hathaway . He was treated well. The Christ was literally with wide opened arms to him.
    Too many girls,too much beauty, too much dancing and muses. The flash still going “ that’s my life..that’s my job”
    I was in his world, corrupted and contaminated for it. Ironically, he even paid me for that ahahaha
    Come back home soon.. The crew is waiting!

  905. Thank you, Roberta, for telling us of the celebration involved in being around David, when all that matters is photography.

  906. Roberta, cool.. seems like a great time was had by all involved.. tiering, but great.. looking forward to SEE now!

  907. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…it feels like home…I am in !!!

    why don’t you shoot your feet…like THOMAS…
    see,you might want to remember the old days…(IMcivilianO)

  908. a civilian-mass audience

    oime…I want to visit the Maguires…

    The other BURNIANS are having wine and cheeseburgers…
    I am not only in the wrong magazine…I am in the wrong aisle too…oime

  909. civi. i am drinking fine cognac and mexican beer…and losing at poker…….but I won a lot the other day :) Liverpool tomoro…glasgow the next…pictures pictures pictures.

  910. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,it seems I am in the “right” aisle…I stay

    JOHNG…I wish you …the best NUTS ;)))
    safe travels amigo

    ROSSY…enjoy…it’s too early for me:)))

    VIVA BURNIANS…now we know Who Is The Craziest Of ALL…(it has been confirmed by ROBERTA)

    Goodnight and goodmorning
    civi

  911. I’m just about to sort through the 30 or so pics I selected (for my project) from the last gig. I’ve already sorted the band shots (to give to the bands); now I have to weed out the crap from my pics! Better get my arse into gear cos there’s another gig this Saturday.

    Funny; I was just thinking the other day about the contrast in the subjects I’m shooting at the moment. First off; a punk/metal gig in a strip club, and then my friends on an organic farm. I’ve also been busy photographing my parents as well. Oh well they say that variety is the spice of life…

  912. Roberta Tavares

    Civi and Eva..
    Im really happy that Burn has both of you as loyal feminine representatives for the team. I’m not assuming a feminist role , which in fact , doesn’t stop me as a woman to admire you both for the right reasons beyond gender gaps…but specially as a grateful reader for the sensitiveness, care you girls are capable to bring, the commitment and knowledge on photography , the ways chosen to be part of, to voice, to supply your needs to get closer… to feel part of something . That’s a true talent ; to be passionate and to expose it.
    Civi…heartfully, soulfully, beautifully indispensable for what I believe differs Burn from other publications. We love you
    Eva…the way you throw yourself to learn more on photography, backing yourself up of information to stand up for what you believe, the understanding and the nurture for one field which is largely revealed by names, technical points, thinking, sharing and personality. You definitely SEE. About the material on Rio, yes…you could set the expectations bars high. David will have al of us sated as usual…He walked in all the extremes of this city, the levels of interactions…from the social, physical, cultural, behavior factors and all their contrasts…Rio can be such cliché, that would be a tricky issue as a photographer and a creative person, but happily he used all those clichés on his favor… If someone can do it… David is the right name. Genius. And as a brazilian and living in Rio Im really proud to have given a chance be part of . Rio just will win in representation. When the moment arrives, Im sure you’ll identify those elements and you’ll agree with me.
    Herve… you are right ..all that matters is photography . I keep defending that the most exciting aspect of it is the process , more than the final result itself .. the story behind, the sweaty, miracles, poetry, faces ,suspense, comedy, incidents, casualty, the longing that ended up in that moment. Rio’s project proves that. Photography and its effects before, during and after . the memories for some , the new panel of thoughts for all of us.
    Ah…thanks for those with patience and time for my long comments. I’ll control my hands next time

  913. Nah; coffee isn’t sacred. However books and music are, screw the rent (or in my case mortgage)! Well, my bank manager may have different ideas… I know that my career choice wasn’t to his liking! :-)

  914. John; It’ll be a fair while. I’ve decided to shoot a “backburner” project on our Indie music scene and I really don’t want to show too much at the moment. It’s a project I can shoot in conjunction with the kids project without taking anything away from it.

    I probably should have kept my big trap shut; but I was a wee bit excited at the time… As my mum says “I was a screaming baby and haven’t shut my mouth since!” :-)

  915. JOHN G – Liverpool, eh? What for? I’m around all day in town tomorrow if you fancy a really good coffee. I know the greatest place for it. Get at me.

  916. framers. on tour with big audio dynamite. hit liverpool lime street at about 3.15. staying at hard days night hotel(north john street). anywhere near you? soundcheck at o2 arena at 5pm. coffee sounds real good.

    on me :)
    contact????

  917. I’ll buzz you – that’s town area and we’ll be shooting there all afternoon. Joni from Third Floor Gallery Cardiff is coming up to give a talk at Open Eye about his gallery, and I’m meeting him at Lime St 2.45 and playing city guide. I’ll buzz you my details now, hang on…

  918. Roberta:

    Thanks for the Rio summation. It was like reading the foreword to “The Americans”.

    Paul:

    Appreciate the index and bargain…have been considering Matisse all day.

  919. ROBERTA – just flipped back to read your post (didn’t have time earlier) and it is wonderful, excellent, teasing and tempting…I must get to New York very soon, I must witness this for myself. I’m very jealous (in the most generous and kindest of senses). Big thanks (and gentle curses) for sharing, glad you had such a fantastic time!

  920. a civilian-mass audience

    Roberta Tavares
    March 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    David..
    I’ve lied. Your secret isn’t safe with me and now everyone will know the real side of what turned out to be “working in Rio” Saga 1- featuring : David Alan Harvey and his dreamteam crew
    We’ll miss him.
    Think twice…
    Being friend of David is exactly what it looks like…
    Working with David Alan Harvey is beyond the imaginable, predictability looses power, expectations are easily beaten ..They warned “-crazy !” . he proves himself the craziest. The non stopping pursuit of creativity, the moves, the rush, the sun compass, the overcome of unexpected events: don’t hide, don’t skip..DEAL WITH IT”.
    At the streets, he’s the magnet for the right spot,right flow, right people..the camera talks to him. The perfect moment is followed by inertia , everybody stops “– It’s here” . the place chosen him. Instinct, patient, Spanish mixed with Portuguese language and my people becomes his people, he’s part of the system , some magic happens and the next we know they care about him…names, emails, phone numbers, the happy end of his visit cards…One step wrong and all is dead “No time for mistakes”..He gets the killer…again. The two months preparation , expense sheets all over leading to the worthy 15 seconds …the motivation, the point at all, the DAH signature. The end of the day: full cards and store for more batteries. Time for the truth … in the screen comes the verdict ..He’s picky, he’s perfectionist .. give him at least two full- identity genius unique recognizable clean sexy emotional photos, and enough reason to celebrate night long.
    The gathering at the leaving room, guitar, uncountable jokes, photography vicious subject , the flow at the hotel room , the most beloved guest according to the front desk, the view from the window and Copacabana beach becomes the witness…the fifth floor wasn’t never so crowdy, loud and alive. Everyone is around him, the figure center who ends up with all the attention, friends, learners, supporters, providers, passion and passionate minds …I’ve listened smiles and tears..
    Walking at street “ hey, David Alan Harvey?” Rio de Janeiro’s touristic attraction.
    Pour more Jack, pick the glass , full table ..dinners and their surprises…where’s David? Look the seat close of the prettiest girls
    From mornings till nights….brainstorm, explanations, strategies, curiosity , looking out the box, being crazy in and outside the narrow convenient space.
    Precaution, never hesitation. From the high to the low, slums to penthouses, beach till back tie parties, me and celebrities..
    Different people, the same understanding: respect. Come the victory smile and here it goes: 24 hours becomes 48 …72 hs ..and sleep when you need and if you can..He never does, he’s dancing in the living room at the early morning..someone on the couch opened one eye “ who are you?” …I endorse: who are you David?
    Fame, admiration..full line at his show ..so many people outside waiting..”I’ll give an extra show”..They waited. He’s standing at the altar in the church once to wit a baptism and after kids performing a tribute to him , he’s the unique outsider invited for the grandmother birthday of the most traditional family in Rio, he’s in front off Obama, and spoiled by Anne Hathaway . He was treated well. The Christ was literally with wide opened arms to him.
    Too many girls,too much beauty, too much dancing and muses. The flash still going “ that’s my life..that’s my job”
    I was in his world, corrupted and contaminated for it. Ironically, he even paid me for that ahahaha
    Come back home soon.. The crew is waiting!

  921. a civilian-mass audience

    ROBERTA…
    you do write and you write good…considering the fact that you are ESL writer…You Are rocking!!!

    I have to admit that I am all of that…”heartfully, soulfully, beautifully indispensable…”cause I am a civilian,I am the mass Audience…I am all the people that they visit BURN day in ,day out,I am the civilian next to you,the farmer,the grandfather,the auntie…
    therefore I’m carrying a heavy load…and I wouldn’t wanted any other way.

    BUT the true BURNIAN ladies with pure talent and passion are:

    KATHLEEEEEEN FONSECA
    MY GRACIE
    EVA
    WENDY AS
    PATRICIA LAY- DORSEY
    FRAMERS
    ANNA-MARIE
    LEE
    KERRY
    MONKEYPOINT
    KATIA ROBERTS
    AUDREY
    KATHARINA
    LASSAL
    KYUNGHEE LEE
    MARINA
    LAURA EL-TANTAWY
    LISA LOGHEN
    LAURAM.
    JENNY L.WALKER
    ERICA MACDONALD
    SOFIA
    GINA MARTIN
    CATHY SCHOLL
    CARRIE ROSEMAN
    CRISTINA.F
    LISA WILTSE
    VALERY RIZZO
    ANDREAG
    AGA
    KELLY LYNN JAMES
    VICKY
    ROSA
    HILLARY
    NANCY.P…and…and … so many ladies ..I am out of brain cells

    I am proud of you ROBERTA… you are a sycofant(to be perceived as a joke)…BUT I do love you:)))

    P.S Regarding the gender…hmmm…sometimes I do scream like a girl(can be confirmed by my chickens)
    Love,Peace and PHOTOGRAPHY…spread the BURN:)!

  922. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA,my Italian Viva…you have saved the baby chickens…
    it’s raining hard BUT we were prepared…Thank’s to you…
    olive oil your way

    P.S …WE ARE ALL ONE in this Universe…action,evolution…together we can do it

  923. a civilian-mass audience

    Ohhh…and some more BURNIAN LADIES…

    MICHELLE MADDEN
    VISSARIA
    LEA
    SARA
    GABRIELLA
    LISAH
    AMELIE
    and more…more…
    I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLL

  924. Yikes, Roberta, thanks :)) .. one day I must come back to Rio and make peace with it..of all places I’ve visited it’s the one that has left me most torn..

    Civi.. cloudy but dry tomorrow :)

    Paul, thanks, looking forward to get your print.. MUST move my BFA off and send you yours!!

  925. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…I got your point…
    BUT for me…”We are One”…it came as an inspiration from a song by Joyce Johnson Rouse

    We all live on the same Earth
    We fish and swim in the same oceans
    We breathe the same air and gaze at the very same moon
    We feel the warmth of the same sun
    We are one
    I have Sisters in Nicaragua, their skin is burning
    From the chemicals used in the fields
    Where they make their living
    I have Brothers in Indonesia, their eyes are stinging
    From the burning of rain forest trees
    To clear them for grazing
    We are one
    We have Elders in ancient forests, who mourn the passing
    Of species of flowers and birds
    Crowded out by our taking
    There are children in war-torn countries
    They are all of our Children
    They can’t remember a night time of peace
    With no shooting or crying

    of course we are not all one…I am civi and I just had a big plate of veggie meatballs…
    Can I sing now?:))

  926. Civi.. problem is we ARE one, even if I don’t want to.. and no, no singing, remember what happened last time you sung/sang/whatever?? ;)

  927. a civilian-mass audience

    oime, EVA…you keep record of everything…
    oups,I remember…hmmm,I better dance then…

  928. Civi.. dance, yep, better! ..I’m a pond for/of useless information.. and have no clue about grammar ;)

  929. I hope Burnians will meet in Liverpool, that would be very cool! Right, off to go to the train station to meet Joni and, hopefully, also Gladdy. Viva la BURN!

  930. a civilian-mass audience

    Liverpool is BURNING

    BURNING meeting
    it’s my vision
    BURNING friends
    what a circle!
    pics,hard discs and M9’s,
    beers and films
    up on the table
    digis…to be continued

    FRAMERS…easy with the Liver…pool!:))

    EVA…I am dancing full of meatballs,all organics:) and who is grammar?

  931. Eva…
    What size prints do you usually like?
    Here’s something to talk, discuss and argue about…print size so very personal and of course depends also on the image. I tend to dislike grain…so I always have this in mind when choosing print sizes. OK smiling Bob Black, Eva and Michael Ankermann have sort of tamed me…

  932. Paul… oooops… the two prints you’re getting do definitely have grain, one negative is developed in Rodinal –> grain, the other is a FP4 125 pushed at 400 –> grain! ;)

  933. Eva…
    As I said the illness is fading away…so no worries. Anyway the subject matter in both images is superb.

  934. Eva…
    Have you got Salgado’s ”Workers” nearby? You know the picture with the man soaked who had just managed to put out the fire in one of the oil wells in Kuwait? That image is T-max 3200…amazing!

  935. ROBERTA TAVARES…

    i loved your tale of my presence in Rio…so well put and i think a pretty accurate description of life in the fast picture taking lane….the kind that fits Rio…and the kind that fits me when i am in a certain shooting mood…quite different than the mood for OBX or American Family, but certainly and truthfully a part of my personality that will indeed come out in the RIO book as in nothing i have ever done before…i must say pretty unlikely for a man my age to even be doing Rio i suppose…you would think an assignment like that would go to a younger photographer….but hey , i am taking it anyway!! i spend most of my time supporting younger photographers , so i think they will let me have this one…smiling…anyway, seems like it should be a cutting edge essay…maybe i am delusional but that is how it feels…so if it feels that way, maybe that is enough….the reason i am even saying this is because you my friend made it so…your energy and unique personality became a real catalyst for my work….here you were a reader of Burn , turned into the most amazing new person i have met in a long time and so so helpful in so many ways….from the time i arrived and was shooting on my own and through the two weeks on NatGeo commission, you were always there…suffering my mood swings, being so patient…it takes a strong person to be with me for so long and still end up more or less sane..thank you dear Roberta for being flat out unique…because of you for sure i made a few images i would not have made otherwise…more importantly, i feel i made a friend i would not have made otherwise…

    abraços, david

  936. Roberta Tavares

    “I’ll make you crazy”
    “why all the girls around me end up loving me and crying? “
    -Moments like that David…

    From the name on one book cover page, the hands and eyes behind mandatory essays for those who call themselves photography junkies, to the man in front of me those 3 weeks, simplicity , with a wide smile ,the edge of excitation in what he’s born to do, and now …the one responsible for my tears. I believed I’ve known a lot about you..David Alan Harvey . I was wrong.

    Civi is right, I’m a sycophant…I don’t know another way to be , i wasn’t taught the balance of dealing with wonderful people like you. I’ve been raised believing in fearless exposition. I need feelings displays to address codes I refuse becoming secrets. I’m fan of the precipitation, intuition, exaggeration. I’m guilty and wrong . I’m not mysterious and I do release instead of policing. That was the language first we’ve met and happily keep connecting us. You know David…you know all of this:

    I’m so proud of you, for being this energetic crazy boy …NATGEO knew what they were doing (next time we’ll sign for an intense camp preparation to be capable to follow you up ) . For overcoming imagery and the icon figure (right.. I forgot this term freaks you out ) I’m proud of what comes next (“that’s your city, your culture Roberta”) and I’m so proud of myself , for the reciprocity followed by trust, for the understanding even among “lost in translation moments”, for loving photography , for sitting down in the same couch and say “and now? ”, for the opportunity and 24 hours of fun and learning. For the most valuable wonderful 3 weeks …Thanks amigo…and stick on the list: 1)don’t forget us 2) photojournalism is NOT dead 3) Lance got right: WHO ARE YOU?
    ps) Coffee and Ham and cheese sandwich for you while we’re scratching your head
    Count on me David, and on the fraction of sanity I have left

  937. ROBERTA and DAH – the sweetest of sweet interchanges I’ve ever bore witness to;now I’m yet more jealous, those must have been good times indeed – just imagining the crazy fly-by-seat-of-pants-amazingness of it all (and I’m sure my wildest imagination falls short)

    LIVERPOOL BURNING – alas, I did not meet up with Gladdy. I mailed him at his website address last night but heard nothing back yet. Maybe tomorrow for early English breakfast. I had a late one today. Did have a great night at Open Eye Gallery – Joni Karanka speaking, I met him early as city guide and we wandered and had good and chill times. His talk was fun and interesting, a nice change of pace for most, I think. Then drinks, with him John Davies, and a few others. Good times indeed, and necessary for Bruce G is maybe exhibiting with them and I needed to be there to smooth a few things on that for him. Happy to do it, and happy to continue doing it for others as and when opportunities arise.

    DAH – might I email you about a couple of small but pertinent (to me, anyway) questions please? I have a project I want to start work on. I have initial meetings for it, and maybe a small amount of shooting, set up for next week. It is on hip hop in London, but a very small subset. I have an in re my friend from University, but I could do with a few words of advice, if that is not too much to ask. I plan, ideally, a long term project, but it is out of town and travel costs bite hard, so a brief discussion on how to approach, whether I cans hoot it long term but in small bursts, and whether I might pursue funding would be massively appreciated. Just a few kinds words of whatever advice you can offer fam, because I’m in love with photography and want to do my best on this and feel it in my heart as worth pursuing – there’s a story and a half here. Understand if you’re too busy, tho. My email is sara (at) saratrula (dot) com – Thanks amigo.

  938. Yes, the stars have moved, and the planets aligned; the Essayist from Venus is in conjunction with the Photographer from Mars. I have some questions and will wait for the Earth to roil and erupt a new dialogue!

  939. a civilian-mass audience

    ROBERTA…It takes one to know one.” :)))
    no worries, we are all sycophants and I am the biggest one!

    Welcome back MR.DAHAWK…the BURNING tent is still intact despite rough weather

    FRAMERS,you met with DR.JONI…what a BURNIAN!!!
    hmmm…look for JOHNYG…usually he can be found seating in the end of the bar:)))
    enjoy!

    Coffee and eggs for me…my body position Asana!

  940. a civilian-mass audience

    ahhh…shoot the buggers

    don’t get me wrong…I like Prince William and bride-to-be Kate Middleton…but
    when I read …”Chefs prepare 10,000 canapes for royal couple’s wedding reception”…
    my stomach hurts…10,000 children…

    ok,I better return to my Asana position…(doctor said…I can’t save the world)
    BUT I will prove him wrong…one person at a time!

  941. Civi.. sunny.. Asana resembles a LOT (in writing) to asina.. ok.. I better educate myself a bit.. oh.. never trust what you’re told, not even if it comes from a doctor ;))

  942. a civilian-mass audience

    and where is KURT…he promised me birthday cake…damnit…
    “never trust what you’ve told…”:))))))))))))))

  943. a civilian-mass audience

    and to ALL the HERVETTES out there…this I have to say:
    “I will make you crazy”…:)))))))))))

    ASANAAAAAAAA…

  944. FRAMERS. sorry :) had to go straight to the venue. sorting passes for the tour. Also wanted to shoot soundcheck/show/aftershow/backstage, just so I have something in the can in case anything goes tits up.
    tried calling you a couple times this morning and sent you a text….here in scouseland till about twelve, then on the road to glasgow. a quick coffee and a hello would be cool. If not, then next time.

    john

  945. FRAMERS INTENT

    feel free to email me…i must say i will be pretty busy until around april 16th….i have a Blues workshop in Mississippi coming right up that requires a lot of preparation…so, i am trying to do this and recover from Rio simultaneous….in any case, i will take whatever project you have and help as best i can based on what you show me…

    cheers, david

  946. JASON…

    where have you been amigo? i do not know how you take those winters up there…as you know i was just to the UP Michigan for a few days and well it was a bit much for my sensibility..seriously cold when i was there..however, i do remember when i was doing the story on the Inuit , i did get “into” the cold…actually started liking the challenge…got into the gear….when it got above zero i became somehow disappointed…wanted that extreme cold…mid temp cold is just boring (like in the teens..just a pain), extreme below zero cold when you will die in a minute of no protection has a nice challenge to it…..however, since that story i have tended to gravitate towards palm trees and coconut milk…of course the warm climes do have their disadvantages…a certain type of violence for one…yet, i just cannot take pictures with frozen hands…and a ski mask just does not allow me to get the viewfinder right to my eye….anyway, pleased to have you back here Jason…looking forward to seeing your latest

    by the way, the experience in the field shooting is like a workshop on steroids…the person to ask about this is Richard Beavens, former NY loft student, who joined me for a few days in Rio…so he has done the class and then he did the reality with me on location….i do hope he checks in here….if i go back to Rio to finish my book i think i will build a small , very small , class around the shoot…Rio is the one place i have ever been where you could actually have a few people with you and still do fine work..normally i need to be all alone when actually shooting…Rio an exception just because of the warm nature of the Brazilians and the fact that there are pictures in every direction all the time imo…shooting shooting shooting all the time everywhere..amazing in this way…

    cheers, david

  947. Roberta has given us an excellent description of the process you underwent for the Rio project, and your reply to her seems to indicate that she caught the dynamics accurately. In the past few weeks you have been revealing in bits and pieces your approach to the working, and the difficulties and ecstasies therein. Twitter is such a tease!

    The approach to the project, and the planning for it is something that I can understand, as is the worry and uncertainty you had throughout your stay. That is something that probably all of us deal with. But, as I gather the project is a shuddering success, I wonder about all the magic Roberta described and how it came to be. From her, I gather that you became photography – for at least a few moments. You even mention the zone, or the zen-state, that you got into.

    How does that happen; what needs to be done to get there; does all the planning, worrying, meeting and greeting, constrict and narrow the focus to trigger the release? I happens to me only on occasion and because of its unpredictability, I realize it’s something beyond my understanding. Because I can’t initiate it at will, it retains magic status. But from Roberta’s account, I sense you have the understanding of the dynamic needed to summon, and then sustain, the creative process – to deal with decision-making under uncertainty.

    How do you become photography?

  948. DAVID:

    please feel free to move my last comment under Lea’s essay to Panos) under dialog. you are right, it doesn’t belong under that essay. i’m genuinely shocked at both the name calling in panos’ comment (i’m the definition of an asshole?) to me (and at facebook). I’m genuinely at a loss to understand what warranted that. i assume this was what he perceived as ‘selling out’ was my re-written post about Winephoto. I just wanted to clarify so that people do not think my words were not supportive of Winephoto, when in fact i have nothing but respect for them and the photographers there (have friends who have won, and helped 2 edit their submissions last year) and have respect for the organizers. If it pertains to Libya, why written under that issue. my words about comments regarding libya (jingoistic/bellicose) was about attitude, ideas: being called a gadiffi supporter and a whore just because you disagree with intervention is both of those things. more importantly, i’ve never once insulted panos as a person, even when we disagreed or had misunderstandings. but, in the end, as you know, what is the point if it is reduced to being called names by someone you considered a friend and someone you have supported. i guess i’m a sellout for buying 2 of his books as well…

    enough is enough.

    this does not in any way remove my support of burn or everyone involved. lots of support can come without having to be open for personal and insulting and foul-mouthed attacks….

    what’s the point :)

    running
    bob

  949. a civilian-mass audience

    I don’t know what is going on …in the other aisle(it will take me few days to go through the comments)
    BUT I am requesting Public Apology from the parties involved.?!*#

    from now on…NOBODY leaves the BURNING tent without written authorization by ACMA…
    the incident will be under investigation…

    “You meet people who forget you. You forget people you meet. But sometimes you meet those people you can’t forget. Those are your ‘friends.’”ok…according to the quote…YOU ARE FRIENDS!:)

    nobody moves out …work in progress

  950. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…I love it !!!
    baby is doing the Tada-asana – The Mountain Pose or the samasthiti-asana…hmmm…where is MICHELLE
    when I need her?:))) she knows all about…

    ok,back to reading…yes,MICHAELK…Love,Peace and PHOTOGRAPHY and ouzo and dance and farts
    and nobody moves…work in progress:)))

  951. There have been times… I’m sure we’ve all had them… where we find ourselves with some quiet, peaceful moments in front of us… and hey look there, a nice bottle of wine just sitting there waiting for me! Ah, yes… very nice indeed… hmmm… what are the folks doing over at Burn? click, click click… a comment here and there, all is well… a few glasses/bottles later “You suck!” “You’re a moron!” “You’re talking out your ass!” Go to bed… next morning… oh fuck. What did i do? Then the mea culpa dance. Just sayin’.

  952. Michael.. don’t drink and drive?? ;)

    Civi.. thingy’s learning to do the string-daddy-in asana..

  953. Wow, if Eva’s right and Bob lit the fuse on March 22, that was some kinda slow burn. Now that I see I’m in the same sentence that so offended, I’m afraid maybe I’ll be next. Although I didn’t say anything like bellicose and jingoistic, I seem to remember I did say that those who favored war against Libya, and I think I named Panos specifically, were murderers dancing on the graves of Libyan children while laughing demoniacally at all the fired teachers and poor kids missing meals in the US due to budget cuts. Or something like that? So I guess when my fuck you comes, it will have a lot more uuuuu’s than Bob’s. Just send me the damned t-shirt already… Or lighten up? It’s just bullshit among friends, or at worst acquaintances with similar interests, and should be treated as such.

  954. GLADDY – sorry I’ve had my phone off all today, working in the studio so I couldn’t have made it. Hope to catch up with you some time in the future tho, I’m sure it’ll happen. How was the gig? Hope it blew the roof off, and I totally understand you wanting to get in to shoot the sound check, very wise. I trust my city was kind to you? If not, tell me, and I’ll give it a thick ear. ;-)

    DAH – massive thanks, and I realise just how busy you are, so finding the time to consider this is doubly and humbly appreciated. Will mail you shortly. Do this via Magnum NY? The Contact section of your site links through to the Magnum site, but there’s no contact email there other than the Magnum offices worldwide. Cheers.

  955. bloody WAR..

    as for myself.. i could feel the tension in me rising and rising.. bubbling anger.. and no where to direct it..

    for my part in fermenting it on this forum..
    apologies.. i may have released some thoughts here.. contributed to current bad feeling?

    the news – the YOUTH MOVEMENTS of the past couple of months have been having a profound effect on me.. really..
    my adult life has been spent photographing a youth movement.. and as i read the hip-hop lyrics straight out of benghasi, and caught the vibe of what young people are trying to say it upset me greatly..
    it has upset a lot of us greatly.
    the people leading the uprisings are familiar to me.. it’s you and i .. and all of us.

    anyway.

  956. to bob through FB

    Panos Skoulidas March 30 at 2:19pm

    listen i apologize for the name calling..its just i couldnt swallow that bellicose and jingo bullshit, Libya regarding… but no waay i should let myself go off and hurt u , calling u names etc…sorry & big hug

  957. panos:

    all the years we have known each other, i have never called you an asshole/bitch/whore/filthyfuck etc….

    i am sorry tht calling your comments bellicose and jingoistic offended you and got you angry. these were about the ideas and the sentiments about libya, especially after suggesting we (those of us who didn’t support the intervention) were not only gadiffi supporters and cowards (and worse, read the comments), i never attached you personally, nor wrote you angry emails or posted on facebook, etc. i found those comments bellicose still. like i said, i have real students who are libyan and i simply tried to write it was more complex that what was making out, that this caused a long tirade and personal foul language is enough Panos.

    i am sorry that my bellicose/jingoistic caused your anger and for that i regret it. i’ve learned my lesson. Not at all to ever argue on line. not ever. i am done with that.

    i do not feel the same anymore and for that i feel sad. we’re all adults. we’re all passionate but it is no longer for me to kicked it after this. this is not about silly words thrown around in argument. had you called me every name in the book to my face, cool, whatever.

    i’m sorry you were hurt. i was deeply hurt. funny after all this i never called you those vile names, but yea whatever.

    i think we’re both man enough to shake hands and get over it. i’m over it. but, my enthusiasm is gone. i am not going to bullshit you about that panos. it aint the same flavor for me anymore.

    sorry.

    wish you the best panos, always have, always will.

    bob

  958. Bob..i agree that Libya is way more complex than my poor limited mind comprehends..
    Those days that the 4 Times journalists got captured, women raped etc… i was so blindly mad and angry and a pure Gaddafi hater…not a great a idea for a “journalist” to take sides, maybe…hmm i still dont know if i can see things clearly…
    but unfortunately written words are way more powerful than spoken words….
    You didnt try to offend me and i was just spitting pub talk/curses etc..its the way i talk but not the way i should be writing/posting etc….
    So again big hug and sincere apology
    peace
    uncle P

  959. Just got an email that my Nicosia book along with Burn-01, Carry Me Ohio, 893 Magazine and 130 other independent publications will be featured this Saturday (April 2) in the PPAC Second Annual Book Fair in Philadelphia, courtesy of The Indie Photobook Library, run by Larissa Leclair.

    http://mim.io/eec1f

  960. I hear Berlusconi?

    One…

    Two…

    Nobody offering more?

    And three!

    BANG!

    Berlusconi goes to Imants, from Australia, for free .. please pick up your item at the exit, thank you!

  961. I wonder how come no one here calls me a bellicose jingoistic asshole. I think I’ve got more claim to the title than Panos has.

  962. PANOS :)

    send u a private email…no worries, we’ll talk soon, on phone….now, running late to meet marina and dima…shit happens….we’ve been through more than name calling, and i’m too old to throw away friendship on stupid rants or name calling….don’t worry…i may be sensitive, but i’m also sensitive the other way, love easily….especially tall, mad, greek punk-rappers ;))…..we’ll talk in a couple of days, don’t worry….life, right….sending u hugs back, big jingo-biatch hugs from me ;)))))

    AKAKY: ok, you are….ummm, wait, you are worse, you are a Republican!…but i still love u too!…:)))

    Eva: well, along with George Clooney, i may also have to testify ;)))….seem many a thing in roma ;))))

    running, late late late
    bb

  963. p.s Panos, to show you i’m totally ok, here is a song for you ;))))))))…..saw the flick last night with my best friend….

    enjoy….:)))…and don’t be too literal with the title…

  964. a civilian-mass audience

    IMANTS, you are a bellicose jingoistic ashhole…do you feel better now:)))

    ok,I assume…investigation will be cancelled…due to the unexpected ending of the matter…
    oime…YOU ARE ALL CRAZY …
    thanks to the spirits…we have DAHAWK,the Craziest of ALL who makes some sense around here…

    back to our regular program already in progress…pouf all clear!

    you will have green tea for tonight…just as a precaution measure
    I will have beer cause I am fasting:)))

    LOVE,PEACE and PHOTOGRAPHY…

  965. Bob Black…

    Grinning…Good to see you’re unpacking your suitcase…i trust you’ve sent that landscape essay to Burn…tomorrow is end of March :). I’ve been waiting since early January. And don’t change keep on writing those marathon comments I need an excuse to arrive late to rehab.

  966. a civilian-mass audience

    oups…I meant AKAKY…. you are a bellicose jingoistic ashhole…
    My sincere apologies IMANTS…

    ok,I should have green tea too;(

  967. Charles;

    “Ray’s a Laugh” blew my socks off when I first saw it. It was at a time when I was giving up nature work to dabble in documentary. It was a pretty brutal depiction of his family and the naivety of his technique worked so well.

    Actually; that naivety was probably the successful element. It was natural (from a young photographer) and couldn’t really be replicated by an “experienced” photographer.

    I could imagine; (for exmple) Eugene Richards doing a magnificent essay on Billingham’s family, but it would not have had that “kick you in the guts” brutal emotion of “Ray’s a Laugh” Also; he would have the young Billingham in the essay, which would completely change the dynamics

    If I remember rightly the point and shoot, old expired (from supermarkets I think) films was all Billingham had to use; and he just shot what he felt. A prime recipe for success. But, I’ve never really found any noteworthy Billingham work since. Was it a one hit wonder?

  968. Hola David!
    I’ve been in hell! Your description of the northern temps and climate are exactly how I feel about them. I’ve often heard, the closer you are to a topic, the better you can shoot it. I’ve been pondering shooting my hometown of Green Bay, WI but it’s just so damn depressing! I lose all inspiration. A title I’ve tossed around to get me going is something like “Ghost Town Population: 102,000” There’s hardly a sole to be seen because we’re all locked up in our homes staying warm or zipping about in cars. It’s rare to find people walking anywhere.. I hate it But on the bright side, I keep busy:
    Planning shows, Recently sent my book off to make a dummy (and if you have time now, would love for you to see it…) and entered a few contests… maybe a symposium coming up… I miss everyone here!

  969. David Alan Harvey –

    I have been putting together the working structure for a book that I would like to find some support to help me finish. The structure that I have right now is too big. I need to cut what I have way down and say a lot more. I need to do just a tiny bit more shooting, but a lot more research. I was hoping to cut it down significantly before I showed it to you, but next week I leave to your old hang out in Anaktuvuk Pass and I think this will mark the beginning of an intense shooting season that I hope will last into October.

    So, before I go, if you are willing, I would like to send you a pdf and a synopsis of what I hope to do and you can take your time, skim through anything that overwhelms you and give me your feedback whenever.

    Will this work for you?

    It’s not the book you are expecting from me, but when you see it, I don’t think you will be surprised, either. Maybe just a little bit.

    Thanks!

  970. Stand up
    You’ve got to manage
    I won’t sympathize
    Anymore.

    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me

    You’re alright
    There’s nothing wrong
    Self-sufficience please!
    And get to work.

    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    Army of me

    You’re on your own now
    We won’t save you
    Your rescue-squad
    Is to exhausted

    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    And if you complain once more
    You’ll meet an army of me
    Army of me

    BOB THANKS…I LOVE IT:)

  971. a civilian-mass audience

    FROSTFROG,
    I am going to wait for your book…
    and the cat (as you have promised)
    no worries,take your time…I can wait:)
    meanwhile enjoy your shooting…we expect the unexpected:)))

    JASON,
    I am waiting for your book too…since you have been in hell…I want to see what the hell… did you see?:)))
    Viva!!!

    Circle of life,
    circle of friends
    we have to keep moving,
    no time for BS…
    BURN is the place
    with vision and sense
    DAHAWK is around
    BUT he needs to rest
    etcetera…

    What not to LOVE…!!!

  972. hey, it’s a family affair here in the comment section of Burn…with all of the ups and downs that go with family affairs….let’s just remember that this is all a luxury…a place where we can hang, exchange ideas, and look at a few pictures…perhaps even a bit of a refuge from the day to day gray….the sequence of world events suggest chaos and the ever changing landscape of the way photography is used boggle anyone’s mind…all of it ends up right here in practice and in dialogue…isn’t that just cool in and of itself? i mean our readers are out there in Libya shooting w iPhones, and some of you are shooting in your back yard,books are getting published,essays are getting done, and somebody here is going to get a big grant, and what the hell, all things considered we have a rocking community here…none of us should take anything for granted…let’s enjoy what we have, try to make that better, and treat each other with respect…after all, isn’t a mythical but desirable world peace gotten by hugging one person at a time? i think i have said this many times, but i will say it again…i try to do my bit by just making the space within 15 feet of me pleasant…i start with my most immediate surroundings and the people who are in it….just cover that territory…think small…pretty hard to be critical of conflict in other lands if relatively simple dialogue breaks down right before our very eyes…

    ok, pop quiz…who took the famous picture of the flower being placed in the barrel of a gun and what were the circumstances?

    cheers, david

  973. David,

    first I thought you were talking about the picture of Marc Riboud, from a peach march in Washington D.C. 1967, but on that picture a woman holds a flower in front of the guns;
    so I think you are talking about Bernie Boston’s Picture “Flower Power”, probably taken at the same day.

  974. a civilian-mass audience

    POP QUIZ answer:
    JIM took the picture…it was the flower that I have sent him…all the way from Grecolandia:)
    love you JIM:)

    IMANTS…my apologies…FRAMERS promised to give me lessons…”How to curse effectively in English”
    But I am still waiting cause she had few drinks with JONIK and JOHNG…I can wait:)

    “i try to do my bit by just making the space within 15 feet of me pleasant”…
    I love this…old spice deodorant…I use it daily

    ok,now in a more serious not…MR.HARVEY, thank you!!!
    “none of us should take anything for granted”…

  975. All,

    after shooting more pictures, replacing 12 pictures from the first edit by newer shots,
    I have printed the pictures of my essay “5 to 9 – the longer days” on paper for the first time. Now, I have to say I start liking it.
    Is paper hot or not: It is so hot. Wow. burning hot!!

  976. Civi… you’re in for more rain.. and I can see the picture, but don’t know who made it.. how comes that I have such a bad memory for names??

  977. David, I haven’t looked it up but I think it was Rene Burri at an anti Vietnam War rally in Washington DC. Definitely Magnum.

    Good to have you back, pleased that it went so well,

    Mike.

  978. Bernie Boston had one….

    The photo known as “Flower Power” became Mr. Boston’s signature image and earned him acclaim in the world of photojournalism. The photo, taken during the Oct. 22, 1967, antiwar march on the Pentagon, was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/obituaries/articles/2008/01/25/bernie_boston_captured_iconic_60s_moment/

    And Marc Ribaud the other famous one….

    http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/flower-child-pentagon/

  979. Ok, I should read more accurately, no teaming up, since Thomas gave the whole answer first time around.. argh.. and I even did have my glasses on the whole time…

  980. FROSTFROG

    yes, of course, send what you have…skype chat? davidalanharvey pleased to help Bill

    PETE

    i look for your emails because i know if i do not , you are all over it here on Burn…this is a demanding audience… :)

    THOMAS …BOB ..EVA

    i was thinking the Riboud picture, but admit that in my mind/memory it was a combo of the Boston shot and his shot…think the Riboud picture the better picture….more emotional….

  981. For those of you who own ipads…
    The first photographic monograph is out:

    http://arcrental.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/interview-magnum-photographer-publishes-photobook-for-ipad

    I downloaded this book app last night; at $5, it is cheap and very much worth the money. I’m in a carpool often so I loved having this to flip through this morning vs. having to carry around a heavy, nice photo book with me.

    That being said, I was planning on buying the print version as well, and seeing in the interview that they’re almost sold out, I’m going to go ahead and order it too.

    To me it makes sense to have the print version for one’s home library, to enjoy at leisure and then have the download as an accompaniment to have for mobile consumption and inspiration.

    And, regardless of the version, the work is stunning; I’m finding it hard to put my iPad down and do anything else today.

    Thodoris, thanks for posting the link! I enjoyed reading the interview.

  982. A friend is looking for a Graduate School.
    Here’s what she faces – Schools have generally been catering to either commercial and/or journalism OR snooty art mixed with multimedia. She feels being forced to take on (convergence) Digital, video, and commercializing her work is too much to ask of her – She has an established style, has her palette of topics and is in love with film. She’s not very fond of digital, even though she has a very very nice camera (the same DAH commonly uses) at her disposal, she really hates the lack of emotion it has…

    What are your thoughts?

    She wants her MFA in photography but hasn’t found a school in the US that hasn’t dismantled their darkroom within the past 5 – 10 years.

  983. Civi – Pictures to come sometime! I’m printing At the moment for a small show next week
    I’ve been shooting 120 squares lately and having a difficult time with it. I think I need a different camera – the Bronica is just a bit clunky for me…

  984. Oh, and a little more OT – the CA interview on the iPad app serves a double purpose; apparently, he’s the cat whisperer or something because one of my very rambunctious Bengal kittens is mesmerized with him. As long as he’s talking, she’s focused, sitting directly in front of the iPad, and can’t even be distracted by her favorite froggy toy. I just wish that interview was longer!

  985. “Honestly I wonder how humans can do these sort of things to each other, it beats me.”

    “Well, what else could we do? He was hopeless. I’m no bully; I never hurt a nigger in my life. I like niggers—in their place—I know how to work ’em. But I just decided it was time a few people got put on notice. As long as I live and can do anything about it, niggers are gonna stay in their place. Niggers ain’t gonna vote where I live. If they did, they’d control the government. They ain’t gonna go to school with my kids. And when a nigger gets close to mentioning sex with a white woman, he’s tired o’ livin’. I’m likely to kill him. Me and my folks fought for this country, and we got some rights. I stood there in that shed and listened to that nigger throw that poison at me, and I just made up my mind. ‘Chicago boy,’ I said, ‘I’m tired of ’em sending your kind down here to stir up trouble. Goddam you, I’m going to make an example of you—just so everybody can know how me and my folks stand.’
    J. W. Milam, Look magazine, 1956.

    See, Paul? It’s easy to find a reason if someone wants to find a reason.

  986. @Jason – as far as the faculty qualifications and their rankings as top schools, these two might not be what your friend is looking for, but I don’t think they’ve dismantled their darkrooms. The last time I heard, both the University of Memphis and the Savannah College of Art and Design offered MFAs and still operated darkrooms.

  987. Thank you Amelie! I will pass these on to her. I think she’s looked at SCAD – We have a professor at our school who came from there… The professors hate working there, and there’s a lot of turn over – but it might still be a good program – I’ll let her decide! Thanks for the quick reply! Does anyone else have ideas I can pass along to her?

  988. Jason.. ever tried a Mamiya 6? Have to say I don’t know the camera you have so not sure about the differences..

  989. Paul.. Akaky.. the ‘reason’ you posted here is dated 1956.. that’s 55 years ago.. but if you google ‘Tea Party’ and listen to some of the videos, it’s scary how after these 55 years some of these same reasons still survive..

    Brave mum of Emmett Till!

  990. yh jason i knw tht … iwas just poking coz its a film camera …….. been good ……..njoying the cricket world cup fever here ….. i hope u gt some sun soon …….. and not so much for me ……..

  991. Eva – I never have! a friend of mine has one I do believe. It’s either a 6 or a 7, I’ll have to ask her. The camera I have is similar to the Hasselblad set up. Cube-like body, modular parts. Mine has a view finder, and side grip. Not too bad, often used by wedding photogs because of its easy of use and pre-loadable backs. Much cheaper (now) than a Hasselblad. But I think it’s forever a studio Camera – the controls are not at the fingertips but instead on this side or that and even to have a light meter is another modular part. I just looked at the 6 and that looks more to my tastes!

  992. It’s warming up this weekend! Early last week we were snow free then all in one storm 17.8″ (45cm) of icy wet snow appeared. I’m excited to start seeing mud again! I need the change of scenery.

  993. Jason.. basically the 6 and 7 are the same, only difference is the 6×6/6×7 neg.. both take also 220 film by flipping the pressure plate upside down, that’s nice, gives you 24/20 frames.. very easy and fast, and very silent! Pity the lenses aren’t interchangable between the two systems..

  994. Pete Marovich…

    Your question on the diference between DAH and my photography…
    I haven’t the faintest idea where to begin… Let’s leave at everything!

  995. Jason…
    I think Michele Frankfurter used a Bronica sq for her ”Destino” essay here on Burn.
    Have a look at Keith Carter…he always uses a Hassy and usually without a tripod at least when he’s out of the studio.

  996. Jason – she needs to dig deeper – there are a bunch. What about Yale http://art.yale.edu/PhotographyLab or ICP/Bard? I think if you get your MFA thru bard you can use ICP darkrooms. Also hartford Art School (limited residency) If you want – have her email me and I see what I can pass along.

  997. Panos; I heard a report on (NZ’s)National Radio that the Egyptian police are now “virginity testing” any unmarried female they arrest (something they had never done before the “revolution”). If they fail the test they are charged with prostitution…. Not exactly progress is it? Nothing is black and white… :-(

  998. Goddammit panos, all I ask for is a fuck u with more u’s than bob’s fuck you. About who’s right or wrong, time will tell and let’s hope for the bestest for the mostest, but as long as phrases like “gulf of Tonkin” and “WMD” haven’t disappeared entirely down the memory hole, I’ll struggle mightily not to believe a single fucking government excuse for killing foreigners in foreign lands until time tells us the real truth, if ever.

  999. I am very, very late to the game, so the question may have been beaten to death. With that in mind, here’s my response:

    Yes. Printed books are dying, but the nature of books will make the death slower than magazines and newspapers.

    Most printed material outside of books, contain timed material. After a certain amount of time, the contents are no longer relevant. Anyone who has sat in a waiting room looking at a Sports Illustrated dated three months ago knows what I mean. For most books, the information is not time-sensative. Some things may seem to get dated, but they still remain readable.

    Something else that gives books a little hope is that after reading them, people love to keep them on their shelves like a trophy. “See what I read?” You can’t put your Nook copy of War and Peace on a shelf for all to gawk at.

    There is something additional looking at photos on a printed page. As much of an advocate for digital that I am, I loved it when I had my portfolio printed in book form. For most of my images, it was the first time I saw them printed. The tactile experience welcomes lingering on the page. You’re not going to get that on an iPad that seems to currently be built to look and act like a flea circus.

    That being said, the technology will improve for mobile devices. Storage will expand, making that less of an issue. Download speeds will increase that to make that less of an issue too. Costs of the devices and the content will continue to drop while the costs of the printed page will continue to rise. I can easily see schools beginning to distribute their text books in digital form. A couple generations from now, kids will be amazed that people used to haul around books, and did not have instant access to every book available.

    Makes me a little sad, but the all things come to pass.

  1000. Totally off topic, but woo hoo!!! 24 hours from now, my website will be done! Then, I’ll be sharing it with a few folk for feedback, tweaking over the next week, and then forcing it upon, uh, I mean, sharing it with the world at large! Stoked beyond stokesville right now. Though admittedly very tired from all the techy stuff and absolutely none of the fun photog’ing stuff. ;-P

  1001. a civilian-mass audience

    Goodmorning BURNIANS…I have great news…let me start

    I just got a new Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III , a Leica M9 and Nikon D3…
    i will change my screen name to my real name Alexander Ellhnikos and I am gonna work professionally
    I am building a darkroom cause I have a huge stock of film.I want to buy the best lens for Nikon?
    Any ideas?
    I have submitted essay…”I am the One” and “my life as a photographer”
    and my book is almost ready. DAH when you have time check your email…I want to get published ASAP.

    wish me luck…now,I am one of you. I am going out to try my new cameras.
    cheers
    AlexanderE.

  1002. good morning civi..

    canon, nikon and leica?
    goodness..

    for nikon, you need the 12000mm to get nice n close.. that’s what bob snapper said isn’t it?
    “if your photos aren’t good enough, your lens isn’t long enough”.

    with the leica you may have trouble..
    i’m currently using a polystyrene cup with a contact lens stuck in the end.. it’s all i can afford after buying my M9.782

    canon.. hmm.. they are rubbish.. i only own one.

    ..

    (ps – i’m assuming your post above is the purest, high quality, mockery :o)

  1003. Civi
    I’d recommend using tri-x in the M9,Velvia in the 1DsMklll,and Kodachrome 200 in the D3
    Most importantly,red heels and stockings will fast track your being published on Burn

  1004. john – nice portraits as usual..

    i love the negs / slides from my old hasselblad.. yet hated shooting with it.
    the best thing about shooting with it is that when the mechanism jammed in hot countries, i could bang it on the pavement arse-first to release it again.
    i always felt stoned looking through the finder handheld..
    erm.. actually… hmm..

    i lost my old blad to a pawn shop.. gambled to pay the rent and lost..
    that was many years ago..

  1005. civi oops …alexanderE ……..u cant be published unless u use … canon lenses on nikon bodies …u need to gt a adaptor fr that …………….

  1006. Civi.. oups… Alexander.. do not, I repeat, do NOT EVER feed the chicken that film, not even boilt and mashed.. that is if it’s BW.. no idea about colour ;)

  1007. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,I just returned from my shooting day…

    I am trying to figure out some new programs…Fotofusion V4.5,Photoshop CS4 + Lightroom2,Aperture2

    ok…I will post links…oh,I am so busy and yes,Alexander is Greek …

    I will be back with photolinks

  1008. CIVI, no, no, no ’tis not the cameras that matter at all, dear friend. If the old masters have taught us anything, it is that you need to flash people to get good pictures.

    I have my Pro-photo Rainmac x588300 on order as I type.

  1009. YASUZO NOJIMA.. or Nojima Yasuzo?

    Either way, anyone knows about him? Not the bio, the work, can’t find much online.. there’s an exhibit, but not right around the corner, so I’d appreciate to know if it’s worth the detour?

  1010. a civilian-mass audience

    OK…I am ready…I would love to hear your honest opinion about my photos!
    about the lighting,the composition,grain,B&W…I even got me a new photobag…
    oime…

    Are YOU ready??? Here we are …3 links,as always…MY PHOTOS to YOU !
    pictures by CANON
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6KzGeEX6o
    pictures by LEICA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2015S3A-lg
    pictures by NIKON
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

    ENJOY…ENJOY…ENJOY…

    IMANTS …when I see you I will tell you all about Alexander…trust me:)))
    running to a funeral…and I am not fooling around

    I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLL
    your civi
    OOO

  1011. Paul, check your calendar.

    Framers, HCB never felt the need to flash anyone and neither do I. I refuse to go wandering around our happy little burg exposing my shortcomings.

  1012. JEFF

    you asked a very good question yesterday…THE most important question of all……i encountered major computer problems right after, so the delay in response is technical…or was..now i must run out just as Anton has spent hours “inside” my computer from Japan…so i will re-post your question and answer it over the weekend…sorry for the delay…

    cheers, david

  1013. What are recommended photographers/books for portrait photography? (Not thinking Leibovitz here but more natural, environmental portraits.)

  1014. Akaky…

    I was busy sitting in the darkroom working on my digital prints… I was rather surprised to read Civi’s post…actually i do know someone who owns all the gear civi mentioned…he’s of course a doctor. My foot doctor only has an M3 and a X1 probably explains why after 16 months i’m on crutches… I realized after pressing submit what date it was so yes i fell for it…
    Now if Framers wants to flash round town let her but she must submit the images to the new Burn pornsite :))

  1015. Amelie:

    Anders Petersen “Ich Dich lieben, Du mich auch?”

    Joakim Eskildsen “The Roma Journeys”

    Adam Broomberg, Oliver Chanarin “Ghetto”

    Pieter Hugo “The Hyena & Other Men”

    It’s not all strict portraiture though..

  1016. Imants
    April 1, 2011 at 5:03 am
    Alexander is not Greek …
    ———-

    Laughing … Laughing….
    (Alexander III of Macedon (20/21 July 356 – 10/11 June 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great (Greek: Μέγας Ἀλέξανδρος, Mégas Aléxandros), was a king of Macedon or Macedonia (Greek: Βασιλεύς Μακεδόνων), a state in the north eastern region of Greece, ….His mother was Olympias from Epirus)
    My (and also Vissaria’s mother/grandmother is from Arta Epirus btw…)
    So if G.A was not Greek then I’m also not Greek either.. We were both NIGERIANS although both our mothers were born in Epirus Greece…
    Thanks Imants..
    Your “accurate” comment will probably have me laughing till the end of this weekend probably… I might use Monday too;)

  1017. EVA
    it’s scary how after these 55 years some of these same reasons still survive..
    ————————————-

    Totally disagree, Eva, as concern the USA. Given that in the scheme of things, you are right (55 years will not change our profound nature, which may be so violent towards one another), the point is this country has change a damned lot since 1955 (tea parties may talk, but the “walk the talk” is long gone, fortunately). Sometimes, it is good to not always rely on the same old trite “look at what they did to me” litany, and hear the “look at what we have achieved”.
    Who was elected president in 2008, when the litanists claimed it would never happen, would get shot before, etc….

  1018. And of course he chose Aristoteles as his teacher and Diogenes as his hero, and the only language he ever spoke or written at was Greek , and he tried to spread Greek philosophy creating the biggest library in history.. He retaliated/fought back the Persian empire (and for some historians if it wasn’t for him or the Spartans or the Athenians everybody in Australia or america would be speaking Farsi by now instead of English etc)…lol…
    But what do I know??? Maybe μέγας Αλέξανδρος was a Yugoslavian or a Nigerian or most probably a Cambodian that simply chose to give his name the “stage name” Alexander=
    (two words), Alex (Άλεξ = φοβού= φόβος =fear &
    άνδρας = man)…
    (Alex-ander/andras) that means=”Fear The Man”
    Too much work/thinking for a Nigerian guy imho…:)

  1019. There is also another theory that insists that Jesus was not white, no blue eyes , not Jewish etc..
    No no.. He resembled more Michael Jackson with a splash of Kobe Bryant..
    Leonardo Da Vinci was wrong once again:))

    Herve… Lol… Now I’m hungry;)

  1020. Framers…
    Be careful with guys who offer to lend you their tripod you’ll probably cure the underexposure…but photos have a stiff look to them…

    On a serious note watch amazon.co.uk B.Davidsons books is in Amazon stock, price keeps changing everyday…. went up 50 quid this week so be careful before purchasing.

  1021. Amelie,
    I would suggest William Albert Allard as one who has produced some very strong
    environmental portraits.
    For something a little more ‘formal’ but still utilizing natural light I recommend you
    Look up Avedons ‘American West’ or the older ‘In a Small Room’ by the late Irving Penn.

    For something a little more commercial and formally lit look up ‘Cyclops’ by Albert Watson

  1022. John Gladdy…

    Can’t find my hand-held Hassy shots… but anyway here’s a contact sheet from my good old trusty Pentax 645n, mucking around, bored and young must of been only 25 with some friends… oh and cross-processed and not a photoshop filter!

    And this is last summer at the beach with my Fuji 6x7III, hand-held one legged trying not to get my bandages wet and wishing I could cool off like the rest…sorry about the scans but I’m in a hurry. :)

    http://adesirecalledcamera.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/1014/

    BTW brilliant images John! Everytime I look at your work you make want to give up colour…amazing!

  1023. Amelie…

    Paul Strand “Time in New England”.

    Judith Joy Ross… if you can find any of here work on the web.

  1024. Paul yes.. Jesus did have a twin , plus a girlfriend plus twins (both girls) , he sponsored a huge Afro and he was Dr.Dre’s producer for the first N.W.A album..
    More info pouring in .. Stay tuned..
    (not confirmed yet but Jesus might sign in with the Boston Celtics next year:)

  1025. All that of course is if Μέγας Αλέξανδρος , and only if decides to denounce his Greek citizenship and play with the national team of Luxemburg ..
    I know it’s complicated so bare with me.. More info pouring in.. Bare bare bate with me:)

  1026. I love contact sheets. Tells so much about the process and the creative thought the photographer was going through. No bullshit and no bridge or lightroom to rub about a crappy photo. Nothing beats medium format contacts!! Although I don’t miss printing them especially the colour ones.

  1027. Eva,
    “Need $ 15’000 to finish your photography project? You’ve got one more month to submit to the Emerging Photographer Grant”

    I could use 15K just to make a dent in what I’ve already spent out of pocket already!!

  1028. @Paul – thank you, thank you, thank you! I see some not so familiar names that I’ll be looking up this weekend…

    I’m shooting 30 small business owner portraits this month – portraiture is a big weakness, and I thought it would be a good idea to look at the best and maybe try out some new techniques as the month progresses.

    If there’s any interest at anyone taking a peek at the end of the month, I’d appreciate constructive criticism.

  1029. Only Greeks call our mate Alex a Grik boy we all know he is Macedonian, most of his descendants live in Melbourne Au though there is a Panos who is no longer a Grik boy but a Texas swinger.

  1030. As we are approaching the 150th anniversary of the beginning of the Civil War, I should note here that Robert E. Lee did see himself as an American, just not necessarily as a citizen of the United States, a decision that he wished he did not have to make. The Confederacy saw itself as the natural extension of the Republic founded in 1776, something that expressed itself in the Great Seal of the Confederate States, which bore the image of George Washington. And Lee’s feeling for Virginia was a common one at the time; for Lee, Virgina was not simply the place where he was born: Virginia was “my country.” Before the war, many people, North and South, identified themselves as citizens of their states first and then as a citizen of the United States. As the late Shelby Foote once pointed out, the United States is plural and yet Americans refer to their country, as I just did, in the singular, in the same way that Britons refer to the United Kingdom or the French to the French Republic. This usage did not occur prior to the Civil War; in the antebellum period the grammatically correct way to refer to the actions of this country was to say that the United States are doing this, that, or the other thing; in short, the grammatically correct plural. After the war, the usage shifted to the singular.

    AKAKY IRL: You really are a pedantic bastard, aren’t you?

    AKAKY: I try.

    AKAKY IRL: No, others try: you succeed.

    AKAKY: Thank you…I think.

  1031. AKAKY. with all due respect, britons(whatever the hell they are) do NOT refer to the united kingdom.
    WE ARE ENGLISH
    WE ARE SCOTTISH
    WE ARE WELSH
    WE ARE IRISH
    …..AND WE ARE PROUD OF THAT!
    Only someone who has never been here could think that

  1032. yes Imants, indeed…Megas Alexandros was australian that just moved to greece and pretended he was greek..he was a little weasel too coz he convinced everybody and never got deported in australia unlike most british criminals that flooded that big kangaroo island;)

  1033. …and Lonidas was not greek…just spartan
    and socrates was not greek..just athenian..
    and Archimedes was not greek..just from the islands
    and Minotaurs was just minoan (although from crete)..
    and there was no slavery…black people volunteered to come and work free on the cotton fields..
    and although GA was born in Pella (3 hours from my home), he was either Russian or Yugoslavian …
    and before he become a king (rumors say he voted for Milosevich) although the Slavic leaves came thousand years later etc..
    oh btw, im not greek… im just Artan (according to albanian neo nazis) i might be an albanian too…
    my oh my…i wonder what kind of history books u guys are forced to study over “there”…
    (now im gonna use Pete’s favorite quote: GRIN!!!!:(

  1034. In Jewish culture if your mother then u considered automatically jewish…
    Now , Great Alexanders mom was born in my home town…and his father Phillip (Fillipos) is a compination of two words (FILOS=philos= FRIEND , think Philadelphia), & the word IPPOS (that means HORSE)…SO his “GRIK” name means (The Man that Love Horses)…yea yea i know..his father just decided to adopt a greek name…
    my oh my….why ?, but why every “macedonian”is so desperate to become a greek???? i can of course guess why, can you?im sure u can..laughing (not grinning this time)

  1035. and to keep on beating on that dead horse…macedonia, just like athens, sparta, Thebes etc were Greek STATES, autonomous but always united against the BARBARIANS (foreigners)…just like in the States , weed is legal in california but illegal in next door Nevada…Automo,ous? yes! All American though? yes & yes…man how much simpler do i have to make it?

  1036. yep – english here, with a welsh surname n perhaps heritage..

    to ashamed to say british..
    unable to say “united” kingdom with a straight face..

  1037. by the way Hiroshima is also a big lie…ask your FYROM brothers, they know..and small request: tell those ex Yugoslavians to try to find another identity..sorry but the greek one is taken:(
    (i feel sorry for those poor folks brainwashing u lacking identity lacking history…lacking respect…
    Skopia! yes , the ultimate truth comes from Skopia….viva Milosevich…
    (just tell them that their real name is FYROM not macedonia…of course they would wish for the opposite just as much i would wish to drive Dr.Dre’s ferrari….

  1038. DavidB…i do remember your fight in the bus coming to C./Ville..yup, you’re right,..tons of ignorance around today..i mean, i love imants, he loves pushing my buttons, and i always bite…but stupidity has limits…imho
    )and not talking about imant’s stupidity…but those fyrom weirdos……ahhh…going for beer…i cant follow those crappy theories no more…for those who dont know, the far right in Skopia created a map with their “new borders” that reaches Thessaloniki..sooooooooo, please please dont rely solely on the info u get from those fascist ignorant militants/skopians)
    over and out

  1039. Imants , there is commercial here in tv saying: “ask your doctor for Lunesta”…oh also “ask your doctor for a xanax”…try it..im glad you chose your propaganda channel..go for it :)
    big hug…

  1040. Hey My brother in law (God rest his soul) always considered himself Macedonian first and Greek second, national pride I think they call it

  1041. Ok.. Enough…
    Imants I have ultimate respect for u and Im sure u know it..
    MichaelK , likewise .. Huge respect and love..
    Especially after my unfortunate “low” moment I had with brother bob this week I’m not in a mood nor I have the energy to “fight” over “silly” stuff about how Greek Alexander or Plato was..
    Pure silliness .. I give it a rest..
    Btw, I’m in a bar somewhere in the south watching the Spurs Vs Rockets and my buddy Kobe is losing from the Jazz.. So , I got go.. I have lots on my plate right now..
    Soonest…:)

  1042. a civilian-mass audience

    ok…I don’t know if Alexander was Greek or Macedonian…BUT according to the old writings …
    and I have some good books…I found this…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR5E45hjxJw&feature=related

    I believe…it matters how Alexander felt in his heart…

    and after a funeral…one I have to say…WE ARE ALL ONE…WE ARE HUMANS!!!
    no other comment without ouzo and wine…I will be back later

    Love you alllll…PEACE

  1043. a civilian-mass audience

    and to my BURNIANS…

    my name is not Alexander(JASON)…
    thank you ALL for participating in the April’s fool celebration…
    I am not a photographer…and I don’t want to be one…

    BUT I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLL

    running:))))))))

  1044. Got my Fuji x100 today. Been playing with it all day. Fought with insanely stupid Fuji menus, finally figured them out. After initial hesitations, this is a spectacular tool. Image quality, particularly at high ISOs is un-believable, LOVE the optical viewfinder. The EVF is pretty decent, though a bit sluggish.
    I’ve got six portrait sessions tommorow, then am going away for the weekend. Will give it a good workout and post a few pics. I think I’m going to love this camera.

  1045. Civi:)
    dont waste your time..”they” wont get it…
    Alexander was a Yugoslavian that decided to promote the greek culture because he was bored playing with his playstation…dont bother with them..they have ulterior motives…they think greece is dying because mrs Merkel and Goldman Sachs decided so…let them believe that G.A was a buddhist or a muslim or even a christian…And if Alexander was a Yugo that decided to behave as a greek then (according to them) he was a traitor!…i wonder why they still declare/want him on their side…
    Alexander is a Yugo as much as VANILLA ICE is a rapper…
    no wonder Suge Knight had Vanilla hanging upside down from his hotel in Vegas..

    btw..2PAC was white…(ok, time for me to throw up now:(

  1046. Hmmn nah don’t buy it Alex became Grik so he could emigrate to Melbourne Ostrlia after us balts. He worked hard in the Milk bar selling the chips and changing money so the kids can play with the pinnies ( good profits in that) Eventually he gets Ostralian pension goes back to the Grik land and lives happily after. Ask me mate Vasilli he will tells you all about it http://www.vasilisgarden.com/index.php ……….. maresi!

  1047. Support Vasili’s Garden and vote now!
    —————————————
    Imants…:) all my support to Vasili’s garden:)
    (as long as he grows chronic of course;)

  1048. Akaky…

    English here, although haven’t lived there for the last 18 years.
    Nationalities flags and religion are the worst things human kind has ever created. Judging someone by their nationality is very sad and narrow minded but we all do it at sometime.

  1049. Eva…

    Enrique Bazan in colour!! I enjoyed the images you showed me once of Bazan’s original Cuba book, the only thing is I find he overdoes it in the darkroom with those biblical skies, a bit like Salgado’s work!
    Have you any contact sheets to show us? I’m looking around and I think I’ll post another one later… :) Very interesting to see Thodoris contact sheet you learn a lot of about a photographer like this.

  1050. Eva…

    More contact sheets…
    First one an opera my wife should be somewhere in there, Leica M6 and 135mm lens.
    Second another summer experiment with cross processing I think we were off to do another ecography. Pentax 645n.
    Third is Hassy handheld I’m not sure if this is the 80mm or a 150 Sonnar lens.
    And last, well you’ll see it’s obvious! Image 14 is the first time I ever saw him…I made sure I was turned away when I heard them appear, I turned round with the M6 already at eye level and pressed the shutter.
    http://adesirecalledcamera.wordpress.com/2011/04/02/more-contact-sheets/

  1051. Aww.. sweet.. some of the most precious moments in a parent’s life :)))

    I’ve shot maybe three or four rolls through that Hassi and decided it’s not a camera for me, I always dreamed of one, but it’s just not for me..

  1052. Herve…

    Do you know Michelle Alexander’s “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness”?

  1053. my note to Lance Rosenfield on FB..

    been spending last few days finding receipts, organizing files and yes yes looking at some photographs…got into it on this trip…very personal, maybe too personal…you are often a subject from that first week when i was shooting on my own dime….probably went too far for NatGeo but you never know…and how could i do anything in Rio other than what i did? just would not have been natural had i not…but they have let me fly before…and they must have realized sending me would spin em a bit…they try to tame me, i try to revolutionize them….funny….good thing all in all…one more time?

  1054. DAH

    i know workshop week at Contact is crazy and your main focus is on your students but maybe a quick bullshit and care package drop-off time permitting???

  1055. MARC

    i am counting on it….the primary motive i have for doing the Toronto deal is to see you and Bob and Jessie…you have first priority….looking forward…

  1056. marc davidson…

    That is a very emotional slideshow on your site…
    Hoping you and your daughters are safe and well.

  1057. Can anyone recommend an on-line portfolio of the Spanish Easter festivities specifically the religious processions. I’m familiar with Cristina Garcia Rodero and Peter Turnley’s work, looking for something a little different.

  1058. PAUL – big thanks for the tip re Davidson’s book, appreciated. Unfortunately, I’m in Derby this week and have to be frugal so I haven’t bought it and can’t buy it for a little while. :-( But I’ll keep and eyes on things and all fingers crossed…

    I caught Tom Woods talk yesterday. His work is utterly fabulous, love that guy. His talk was very engaging too, very two-way, openly asking people to interrupt as he spoke if they had any questions, and asking us questions. Whenever he mentioned a name (big or v v small) he’d ask if any of us knew them. He showed some Brandt, Sudek, and others that got him inspired by photography, and would just put them up on the screen and go “does anyone know who this is by?” Really good talk, felt very communal. I got a copy of his catalogue book (small thing) signed by him at the end. I think he sold all the copies he had brought with him. Steidl has plans to publish a 3-book set by him this Fall/Autumn, but I do hope he gets more exhibitions and other publicity/access to his work, because he is seriously the most underrated British photographer around. If you don’t know who he is, I urge you to order a copy of Over Here Photie Man, stat!

  1059. Paul:

    Can’t help you with the Easter issue, but Toronto has a “12 Stages of the Cross” procession every Good Friday in the Portugal neighbourhood. Very intense and emotional. The people in the parade are serious in their intent, as is the crowd. But they are all easy to engage. On one occasion, as I was walking with the parade taking shots of the crowd, a woman came up to me and asked that I shoot a portrait of her son, a mentally-challenged adult in his forties. It was her way to get her son on an equal footing with everyone else, and the moment was quite touching.

    I think it would be right up Garcia Rodero’s alley, and I recommend you try to find something similar in Spain.

  1060. Hmpf, by ‘this’ I don’t mean Jeff’s link, but work about the subject matter in general..

  1061. It’s 4am here and I’ve just got back from a gig and downloaded the pics. Had a great night shooting a punk gig (downstairs bar) and drum and bass upstairs. So flitted back and forth until settling in on the punk gig; it was a blistering performance and the (small) crowd went crazy!

    Pretty happy with the first pic on first viewing, . Hopefully they’ll still seem ok when I look at them later…. Best of all; daylight saving finished tonight, so have just put the clock back an hour and gained an extra hour’s sleep!

  1062. PAUL

    mostly i am using the 40mm field of view on the GF1 (20mm), but yes also the 50 on Nikon and Leica…with med format Mamiya VII using the 80 which is more or less the same thing…at one point i was using the 28 a lot(never went wider), but rarely do now…if stranded on an island and only had one lens to choose, it would of course still be the 35….

  1063. @Gordon Lafleur

    @Paul

    @mtomalty

    Thank you for the suggestions! I’m listing them and sifting through portfolios, making notes, hopefully something will begin to sink in.

    I also am going to the burn users who have linked to their websites, and I’m seeing great work there so lots of inspiration! I love, love, love mtomalty’s firefly photo; I’m stuck on his site right now going through the portfolios.

  1064. Jeff…
    Thanks and a very nice set of portraits you’ve got there…btw can’t wait to read David’s answer to your question :)

  1065. Eva…
    Only seen the first link, powerful images the good ones are profound and the weaker are cliche. I see your point about looking at others work but I must say I wouldn’t want to go to Cuba without seeing David’s work and blindly thinking my work was brilliant.
    One thing I can’t help ALWAYS thinking of is the Ku Klux Klan when i see these sort of images. Saw them as a kid in usa… once seen never forgotten.

  1066. Paul…the KKK had a rally a week ago about 20 minutes from where I live. Surreal, esp. since the photos you typically see are from decades ago, and it was odd to see mostly jeans under the robes. You’re right though – it’s something you don’t forget.

  1067. Without doubt I would take a 50mm lens…what camera? No idea hated them all except the M6 but negative just too small.

  1068. Paul, you’re quite welcome…and thanks!

    I have nothing but patience waiting for David’s response; were I in his shoes (after Rio) I’d be in a hammock on the rooftop, sipping something a little strong!

    Amelie:

    Has anyone mentioned Karsh yet? An Armenian émigré to Canada we are all very proud of. He had a charming way of conversing with his sitters, and usually ended up talking modestly more about himself than the client. Relax the sitter, then grab the moment.

    Marc:

    Always a nice surprise to see a neighbour here. Have you ever visited the Japanese Cherry Blossoms at High Park? A very spiritual time, especially if the flowers come out on the weekend, then the path and adjacent area is full of Japanese celebrating Sakura. Here is a website which is presently outdated, but if you start checking it near the end of April, it will update the blossom’s status. A great spot to take your children.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2XPNW2N46GgJ:www.highpark.org/cherry.htm+high+park+toronto+cherry+blossom&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

  1069. Paul…

    “I see your point about looking at others work but I must say I wouldn’t want to go to Cuba without seeing David’s work and blindly thinking my work was brilliant.”

    I don’t think one thing has anything to do with the other.. I mean, if you go to Cuba and make good work, it will be good whether you knew or not DAH’s work.. has nothing to do with one being better than another, but with believing in what you do, and if it’s good it is, if it’s crap it is, despite of what others have made.. now, on being different and putting that stamp on your work, that’s another thing altogether..

  1070. Paul…well, actually, to me it seems the opposite. From this particular rally, it was smallish and did attract a lot of bystanders – but everyone made sure they stood on the other side of the street at a good distance. No one wanted to be affiliated with “them”. The atmosphere seemed to be of viewing an archaic oddity instead of a regeneration…but I could be wrong in that assessment.

  1071. @Jeff

    No, I don’t believe I’ve seen Karsh yet; I will add him to the list – sounds like an approach I’d favor.

    “Relax the sitter, then grab the moment.”

    Great statement that’s going in my Moleskine.

    :) thanks!

  1072. AKAKY: Damn.

    AKAKY IRL: Okay, I know I’ll be sorry for asking, but what’s wrong?

    AKAKY: In my thing about Robert E. Lee yesterday-

    AKAKY IRL: You mean your lecture.

    AKAKY: It was not a lecture!

    AKAKY IRL: Dude, it was a lecture, live with it. Embrace your inner pedant. So what about it?

    AKAKY: Well, I made an offhand reference to the British thinking of their country as the United Kingdom and now I’ve got people mad at me. John Gladdy says that Britons think of themselves as English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish, not as Britons, and that only someone who’d never been there would have made such a dumbass mistake. I should have picked another country.

    AKAKY IRL: Very true, and preferably something Continental, and not Spain either, lest you be up to your ass in Catalonians and Basques calling you names. I’m surprised at you, saying something like that, what with the granduncle dying for God, King, and Country in Flanders fields. Your problem is you don’t travel much. You ought to; it expands your horizons.

    AKAKY: You know, that’s rich, coming from you. You don’t let me go anywhere. You wouldn’t even let me go down to the city to see the kibbutz and the city’s only 75 miles away.

    AKAKY IRL: Well, there you go, it’s 75 miles, isn’t it? That doesn’t really count as travel, does it? And you have family in Brooklyn that you’ve spent your whole life avoiding, and for good reason too, if you ask me. If being in Brooklyn was so mind-expanding and life enhancing, your cousins would be megarich geniuses instead of the urban equivalent of that banjopicker in Deliverance. Second, and please pardon me for pointing out the obvious, you’re an American. Foreigners are always going to be mad at you. It’s what they do for fun, other than pointlessly kicking a ball up and down a field for 90 minutes. If they were glad to see you, you’d know something was wrong.

    AKAKY: I guess you’re right. Still…

    AKAKY IRL: Still nothing. And if the Irish are so damn glad to be British, then kindly explain to me why Dublin is a capital city and not the British equivalent of Cleveland. Bet your guy didnt bring that one up, did he?

    AKAKY: No.

    AKAKY IRL: There you go, guy.

  1073. akaky :o)

    the argument on the coach panos was talking about was just this issue..
    i heard an english guy loudly expounding how proud he was to be british – something i have never been.. having been chased, verbally abused and threatened for being “british” in some of our old colonies.
    yet – you know.. some “british” love being “british” in america.

    so.. the argument on the bus encompassed our collective colonial sins as “british”.. sins for which (as i mentioned recently) douglas adams says we atone by eating the appalling dry sandwiches on british rail…
    compared to the “british” colonies, the contemporary US operations are more akin to a picnic..

    not only did we slaughter en-mass in foreign countries, we also propagandized our working class and manipulated the collective consciousness in such a way that arguably the effects can still be seen today.. in oldham.. in birmingham.. and more..
    the “british” government at the turn of the century infused us with ignorance.

    on the bus back from lookbetween dima gavrysh was sitting next to me and asked why i had been so offended.. so i tried to explain.. i asked if he, a ukrainian, would have been proud to call himself a “soviet” citizen – he understood..

    in any case – i think borders exist for reasons of commerce, fear and for some – hatred.. so don’t worry about it.

  1074. i mean – walk around some of the rougher neighbourhoods in old dehli.. or belfast.. glasgow.. telling people you are british and you’ll soon understand the benefits of being english, scotish, welsh and irish. :o)

  1075. Eva…

    I know it may sound pathetic but until I saw “End Time City, Varanasi” I never knew that kind of photography existed. I need to see others work to find my bearings…trust me my style will come out on it’s own, bad habits die hard :)

  1076. I was stabbed once for being British or at least speaking English. Nothing to grave but nevertheless it needed five stitches. Never picked or started a fight in my life.

  1077. @ALL: Just for fun, the link below “gives” you the prize in Euros of a web site… Don’t know who is gonna to buy it… i.e
    Burn is valuated : 81,967.11 €!!
    FaceBook : 4,16 Billion €

    Mine much, but much less :-(.

    http://bizinformation.com/

    As I said, just for fun. Enjoy!
    Patricio.

  1078. a civilian-mass audience

    “Live this day as if it will be your last. Remember that you will only find ”tomorrow” on the calendars of fools. Forget yesterday’s defeats and ignore the problems of tomorrow. This is it. Doomsday. All you have. Make it the best day of your year. The saddest words you can ever utter are, ”If I had my life to live over again. ”Take the baton, now. Run with it! This is your day! Beginning today, treat everyone you meet, friend or foe, loved one or stranger, as if they were going to be dead at midnight. Extend to each person, no matter how trivial the contact, all the care and kindness and understanding and love that you can muster, and do it with no thought of any reward. Your life will never be the same again.”
    Og Mandino (American Essayist and Psychologist, 1923-1996)

    keep shooting my BURNIANS…wherever you are,whoever you are…
    you are who you are…
    thank you all…BURN MTF*, BURN ,now!!!
    *MyTrueFriends

  1079. a civilian-mass audience

    Wine and olive oils on me!!!

    Goodnight from beautiful Grecolandia
    civi

  1080. Sweet Dreams CIVI… Sweet Dreams Burnians…
    Good night Margaret Bourke White
    Good night David Douglas Duncan
    Good night Barney Cowheard
    Good night Eugene Meatyard
    And most of all…sweet dreams Bill Strode!

  1081. jeff ;))))

    i live on high park avenue….must say, in the 8 years i’ve lived 10 minutes from the park, i’ve never photographed the Sakora….though i watch the full flock coming pouring out….here is a quick anecdote…

    2 years ago, sitting beneath the bloom (last year was a frustration with the fickle weather) with students from japan, one of my students (a brilliant photographer in her own right) ask, ‘bob, why are all these canadians photographing the trees, instead of sitting beneath them?”…i laughed and encourage her to walk up to the photographers…which she did, and was brushed away as an oddball…..though have sat beneath many times, in and out of bloom…..

    if I may Marc ;))))…..Marc’s 2 have a pretty kick-ass relationship with trees :))))….marc is one of my closest friends….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpRFuADsdxc

    ok, my comment for the week :))

    running

    b

  1082. The ‘Confederacy’ mind set is alive and well in small (not so small?) pockets of the south.
    ———————————

    Afghanistan and Pakistan are better places for pro-active bigoted, racist mind sets:

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) – Afghans rioted for a second day Saturday to protest the burning of a Quran in Florida, killing nine people in Kandahar and injuring more than 80.

    ISLAMABAD (AFP, March 2)-Gunmen shot dead a Catholic Pakistani government minister on Wednesday after he vowed to defy death threats following the murder of another politician opposed to an Islamic blasphemy law.

  1083. “I love, love, love mtomalty’s firefly photo;”

    Thanks Amelie. What the picture doesn’t show are the hundreds of mosquitos eating
    me alive!
    The picture is a good example,though, of an image that was not really feasible on film.
    The ability of some of today’s digital SLR’s to shoot relatively clean at 3200 and 6400
    iso opens up low light possibilities that just weren’t there before.

  1084. A couple of weeks ago we went to my sister-in-law’s house, she lives fairly close to the sea. Visiting them usually consists of sitting in her kitchen chatting, eating cake catching up on family news… of course that’s OK for awhile but although my sister-in-law is a very very nice person, we just don’t have anything in common. They are real film fanatics they watch films all weekend and all they talk about is football and films… My wife and I spend very little time in front of our television screen and the kids watch a couple of cartoons whilst eating dinner, but that’s it… the problem is my sister and brother-in-law’s taste are totally the opposite of ours… Her all time favourite film is Resident Evil and he has all the Rambo and Rocky films on limited edition Dvds! My wife and I are more of Casablanca, North by Northwest or what the hell we really enjoyed Salma Hayek the other night as Frida Kahlo so nothing to do with zombies or fighting. I suppose the only action films I enjoy are the Indiana Jones saga but I can’t think of anything else. Last year my brother-in-law pleaded me to see Avatar with him one evening at his house, telling me it was amazing on Full HD but I thought it was awful and fell asleep. But I must admit we always have a good time when my wife and I manage to pull them out of their house and we go on some roadtrip or excursion. Anyway as you can imagine I get fidgety after a while at their house and I either go and play with my nephew on his Xbox or I take a “walk” to the local cliffs or the beach.
    http://adesirecalledcamera.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/storm/

  1085. a civilian-mass audience

    Where are you My BURNIANS?…hmmm…”Take the baton, now. Run with it! This is your day!”
    I know,you are out there ..running:)

    POMARA…I am waiting for your higherED.3…and I love your cookbook(more recipes,please)

    amazing links from everyone…!Bravo…keep bringing the teasers in…!
    I am a proud civilian.

    Can I sing now…EVA,can I ,can I?:))

  1086. Ah, Pieter Hugo, nice! He’s got some really good ideas, we were talking about him last night (baader meinhof syndrome, perchance? ;-)

    For those of you who are interested in Format Festival, I posted a short review of it here – http://st84photo.wordpress.com/ Enjoy!

    GLADDY – I’m in London tomorrow. Are you around? No worries if not, I’m going to the Deutsche Borse pv in the evening, but am meeting a friend at 2pm. I get in at 12.30 tho, so if you fancy lunch (or coffee, mmmmmm) do buzz me.

    Oh, and oh, and oh! I also found out about this promising looking new project, set up by Fiona Rogers, to promote women photographers in Europe. Worth a look, imo, http://www.fire-cracker.org

  1087. The essay by Pieter Hugo “RWANDA 2004: VESTIGES OF A GENOCIDE” is very good but I find if it should of been shot in BW it would be just so much stronger. Maybe it’s because every essay I’ve personally on the Rwanda genocide was shot in BW. Colour distracts.

  1088. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…”implode”???…like the kid in HUGO’S video…:)))
    JOHN’S link…made me think… about imploding…I like it Full screen!

    PAUL…safe travels!!! May we have another BURNING meeting!
    Enjoy mates…

    I better implode…than corrode

  1089. a civilian-mass audience

    FRAMERS…May we have another BURNING meeting!
    Enjoy mates!
    hmmm…I think…I am imploding…

  1090. a civilian-mass audience

    I am getting ready for Mississippiiiii…I am getting in the zone
    I am imploding….
    and I am singing…a whole month of singing…

  1091. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…you are imploding too???…:)))

    BURNIANS…a tech question:
    Are you an imploder or exploder ?

  1092. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…yeap, we are so proud when these boys …Explode…

    VIVA …life is beautiful…give me a smile…Imploders,Exploders…we are All One…!!!
    BURN to BURN …

  1093. Marc: I forgot to mention – and Bob can back me up – but the Japanese Cherry blossoms are out for only 2-3 days. I suggest we make Bob our official blossom monitor!

    Bob: I’m guilty as charged. The first year I attended High Park I concentrated on the blossoms and the bokeh. Comme ci, comme ça. En route the second year, I figured the best way to approach the visit was to record the emotional state of the visitors in the presence of the blossoms:

  1094. MichaelK…:)
    of course u were clear…(sorry catching up with comments now, after a long adventurous weekend)…
    thanks…of course once again i shouldnt go personal with my buddy Imants , but im sure i didnt “cross” any lines this time :)
    big hug

  1095. Eva…

    “The Blue room” is beautiful had it since it came out, good to hear some explanation about it. Difficult project to work on successfully as there are a lot of essays on this subject. Although this book gives it a different perspective not the usual landscape photographer on tripod with a view camera and biblical skies. Brilliant!!
    Thanks

  1096. any print collectors – you can spend many hours trawling the chaff looking for wheat here.. they have purchased more than 40 000 photos from the archives of UPI and others..

    http://stores.ebay.co.uk/cornerstoneimages

    i’ve found several nice photos…
    BUT
    i missed a robert capa, liberation of france, 11 by 9 press print which was created in 1992 and released for the “in our time” magnum exhibition.. just had no money – it sold for about 25 usd..
    :o/

  1097. David Bowen, I have the In Our Time book: incredible that a Capa print could go go for 25 usd! Wish Magnum would re-release the exhibition that accompanied the original book launch.

    Mike.

  1098. to EVA
    I just saw your link about the book on racism. But our contention was strictly about violence that revolts us as human beings, here white US citizens massacring/lynching blacks, KKK/mob style. You said, yes, can happen anytime, I say no: ‘”wont happen anymore” as a fact of society, or along any fact of society 9as the tea party is, for ex.).
    And the convolutedness of the book title, seems to make my point, saying something of the new nature of the problems of racism in the USA.

  1099. Herve…

    Then we were not talking about the same thing, I said ‘some of the ideas live on’ (don’t remember the exact words), not the actions, but the ideas, and as the book prooves the ideas are carried out, in a more subtle way than before, different level..

  1100. Paul.. will try again tomorrow to watch the Carter talk, connection is stuttering today..

    David.. that’s an evil thing to do to post that link, I’m supposed to prepare the suitcase, not to surf for photographs!!!

  1101. Thodoris…
    Laughing! Thanks…that is quite tempting, he’s just been in hospital for a failed knee operation…please nobody laugh we as a family seem to be ”maldito” when it comes to lower limbs :) . Lets see if I can reach home before biddig finishes!

    Eva I’m not going to look at DavidB’s link just sounds too tasty!

  1102. i KNOW i said this before but i want to repeat how GRATEFUL i am to JUKKA ONNELA,
    that was so KIND and GENEROUS to sent me two (not just one , but two) ANTOINE D’AGATA’S books…
    1) VORTEX
    2) HOME TOWN…
    but , but…but MOST IMPORTANT , im happy that he sent me an original proofshhet of his own photos…
    and an amazing (personal) letter…
    JUKKA THANK U AGAIN…a million…im very touched..i dont know how to repay…but
    all i want to know is that i love your work even more than most “established”, “iconics” out there…
    biggest hug, love & respect..
    panos

  1103. a civilian-mass audience

    Go BURN,Go BURN,go BURN and BURN and BURN…
    we love it,we love it,we loooove our BURN!!!

    come on all together…

    Go BURN,Go BURN ,go BURN and BURN and BURN
    we love it,we love it,we loooove our BURN!!!

    louder,one hand up in the air(the other is holding the camera)… and sing with me…

    ok,pouf all clear…:)))

  1104. Eva, it’s OK, but you clearly made a point to say that there was no need to go back that far, 1956. And used comments read/heard on the net/Ytube to show that for you, 2011 was just like 1956.

    One can cite all the superbly researched books about racism in America today, it will not undo the history of the Civil Rights movement that only for the sake of free-wheeling argumenting one would deny there was, as far as the life of black people in America, before and after the Civil Rights movmt.

    PS: I am a bit sanguine about this one. The history of american black people was my first education in politics. So I apologize for yet another comment on the subject. The last one.

  1105. Herve..

    I only say that certain ideas are still around, and there is evidence of it, and to me this is scary.

    I never said or say that today things are worse or at the same level they were when Emmett Till was killed by that group of men, if you can call them so. That’s all.. should stick to my principle and not talk about certain arguments on the net. Leads to misinterpretation.

  1106. PANOS…

    can you send Jukka email to me please? my whole email system crashed and burned basically…the fact that i live in computerland here on the net is pretty funny since as you well know i have no clue about computers, sort of hate computers, etc etc…Anton saved me of course, but i do owe Jukka a letter and have no idea how to find him

    JEFF…

    as soon as i can find your question, i am ready to answer..give me 5 mins

  1107. Jeff Hladun
    March 30, 2011 at 7:25 am Edit

    Roberta has given us an excellent description of the process you underwent for the Rio project, and your reply to her seems to indicate that she caught the dynamics accurately. In the past few weeks you have been revealing in bits and pieces your approach to the working, and the difficulties and ecstasies therein. Twitter is such a tease!

    The approach to the project, and the planning for it is something that I can understand, as is the worry and uncertainty you had throughout your stay. That is something that probably all of us deal with. But, as I gather the project is a shuddering success, I wonder about all the magic Roberta described and how it came to be. From her, I gather that you became photography – for at least a few moments. You even mention the zone, or the zen-state, that you got into.

    How does that happen; what needs to be done to get there; does all the planning, worrying, meeting and greeting, constrict and narrow the focus to trigger the release? I happens to me only on occasion and because of its unpredictability, I realize it’s something beyond my understanding. Because I can’t initiate it at will, it retains magic status. But from Roberta’s account, I sense you have the understanding of the dynamic needed to summon, and then sustain, the creative process – to deal with decision-making under uncertainty.

    How do you become photography?

    MY ANSWER

    well, Jeff the answer to this, or rather the search for the answer to this, is the reason i publish Burn, do workshops, general mentoring, etc…to see if i can in some way describe to others this process or evolution of being in it in it in it….i realized some time ago that not everyone gets into the zone…it does come natural to me, but not to everyone..yet i have found i can tap into this for others as well…most just need the right nudge at the right time…

    you use the words “ecstasy” and “magic”, and i use the same words because that is exactly how it seems to me when it “happens”…there were three former workshop students of mine, photographers i mentor, who were with me briefly in Rio on this most recent shoot…besides Roberta (who was unknown to me and is a lurker here on Burn) you should definitely talk to Lance Rosenfield, Chris Bickford, and Richard Beaven who know my “official teachings” from workshops and yet i think had an enlightened version of the whole process while they were with me in Rio..by the way, normally i could not work with somebody looking over my shoulder…but that is not the way it was..they did their thing , i did mine, yet the chemistry of how i get into “the zone” i think was apparent to them…perhaps you can talk to them about it, since they probably have an insight i do not…not trying to foist your question off to them, yet they could be helpful i am sure…

    i think that somehow i try to create always the “perfect environment” to get into the “zone”…you should know that i cannot always take pictures …it is not automatic that i can go out and make something of significance..matter of fact i rarely can do this…i am pro enough to get to a level of mediocrity that has allowed me to earn a living as a photographer and some of what i think is “mediocre” work is considered “good”…ok fine…but that is NOT why i am a photographer…i want to do something really special that reflects my personality and ME, without somehow being self congratulatory or screams me me me gee whiz look at what i just did….i would hate that…what i am talking about is something that is just so so so symbiotic in its essence that the pictures literally ARE who i am..not that i am any better a person to reflect than anyone else, and the pictures are not OF me, but the ability to transform ones personality into to art is well what art is …so i cannot write a song just any old time, but sometimes i can really really write one…making any sense so far?

    now this “perfect environment” i mentioned…i guess in reality it is pretty simple … i just need to be happy and not distracted by anything…no bills to pay, no Burn, no nothing…..just wholly into what is around me in what both of us have described as a kind of zen state…..or rather , i just need to be wholly immersed, not WORKING, not PLAYING either…maybe closer to playing than working…as i look at my cards right now, even i can see the magic …half a card will show me playing..silly…routine pictures of the “girl from Ipanema” for example….the other half will show me in a church baptism…both of these are really me…

    conflict? some would say so…maybe even i would say so…yet, the juices coming from shooting the attractive woman end up flowing in the church baptism pictures and those roll right into my translator playing his guitar in my room, where i am singing trying to harmonize (poorly), with the woman maybe muse from before and has nothing to do with any “assignment” and i woulda shoulda put my camera down and just play but i don’t and this ends up being THE picture of the day and a “high five” with all smiles and EVERYBODY knows we are on to something special…both for life and for pictures……so it is Rio but part of it is a Rio i have created by my own presence yet it is still really Rio…a diary..a subjective report….

    yes, that is it…i just realized the whole deal …it is the maximizing of LIFE and then i just take a picture..

    there is more Jeff and this is just off the top of my head……but that is enough to read for now…and i must go ride my bike..i have three days ahead of selecting etc…perfect spring, perfect edit time..

    hope this helps…

    cheers, david

  1108. David:

    Many, many thanks!

    I want to process what you have just written, and hopefully respond later. For now, let me just say that, as you may recall, I’m particularly interested in the connection of the artist’s work and the artist themself. There is something to you which allows a clear-sightedness which I see both in your photography and your writings, and it is this clarity of vision which is your foundation. For me, that is the YOU. The plain-speaking and clear-thinking. Maybe a de-mystification of the magic is unobtainable, and I’m comforted to know there are some uncertainties out of your reach as they are for me.

    Thanks again.

  1109. I’m very very lucky I know how and frequently find this state of mind in photography, sport and music…call it Zen, trance or inspiration. From a very young age I’ve engaged very seriously in competitive sport and there is no way one can break certain physical limits when training or competing if you don’t understand how to get into this state of mind. In sport it’s a way of forgetting the pain and pushing whatever happens. The trick is different for every single person…some listen to inspiring music others sit quietly eyes closed concentrating etc and etc. Whatever it’s a routine where as David has stated you forget the mundane side of life and essentially are free of problems and duties.
    The trick is to repeat everytime YOUR ceremony/ritual and slowly you’ll develop a way of attaining this state of mind.

  1110. DAH..just sent text…plz check it out..
    with Jukka info, plus some questions regarding Alec (im planning to help him buy a bicycle today..he is already here in San Antonio..etc..peace)

    (again big thanks to Eva and Michael Kircher:)

  1111. Some use music, some use prayer others listen to inspirational CD programs.
    Some like to be alone, others like to spend time with family, friends and teammates.
    It’s all a matter of personal self-hypnosis, meditation, visualization and guided imagery.

  1112. “I am interested in randomness as a condition in photography and in my life. I believe in that…It is
    the only way to resist the information and go deeper into the universe of my intuition…Randomness
    derives from fear…When I overcome the fear and dare to play with it, creating new boundaries, then
    I feel alive.
    I want to talk about life with my image…I need to strip down and compose my new face from the
    beginning, free from any kind of memory and identity.
    For me, photography is synonymous to extinction. It is a nihilistic version of reality”.

    Michael Ackerman.

  1113. I’ve developed an extreme allergic reaction towards tripods. Two years ago I would never gone anywhere camera in hand without my Gitzo slung over my back. Common sense keeps screaming in my head to take the Gitzo tomorrow as I begin a new project in very low light. But I think common sense can be hindrance especially in my case where it is a matter of opening my mind and setting my instinct free. I’m sure a tripod would strangle my fun…

  1114. Jeff;

    I think a lot of times when you hit that “purple patch” where your work goes ahead in leaps and bounds is when you are doing a lot of shooting. Also, what I’ve found is that when you are full tilt into the work, and get a get despondent, something usually happens that gets you going again.

    I posted this letter from NZ artist here last year. This arrived when I was questioning my “path” and the timing was perfect. He replied to an email from me thanking him for an the amazing lecture he gave. I’m only re-posting it in the hope it may help others who may have missed it.

    http://johnmclean.co.nz/

    “Hi Ross ,
    That is a very encouraging email. IT’S HARD TO TELL WHETHER THE THINGS SAID ON SUCH OCCASIONS HAVE ANY EFFECT OR IMPRESSION. ( accidental capitals, sorry.) I can only wish you the very best as you go about pursuing your passion. I’m quite sure good will come of your resolve. The shape of the outcome may not be what you expect going into it; but once you get your nose to the scent and have a dedicated time period devoted to following the trail, i’m sure your efforts will bear fruit and move you into a space that you can push forward from.

    Speaking from transitional episodes within my career I would like to offer a tip. On such undertakings you may find that your reward is in the form of stepping stones rather than as singular profound leaps. By this I mean allow yourself less than satisfying results that were the result of proceeding into a zone of uncertainty, but accompanied by integrity of purpose, then use that result to step further forward. Keats referred to this as negative capability, i.e. moving creatively towards the thing you don’t yet understand. This blind passage forward contrasts with the demand for certainty of result prior to action..

    It sounds to me that your pledge to yourself is an assurance that you can tolerate the fear of the threshold and are in for an exciting, (and challenging, time ahead.) I wish you vision, judgement courage and opportunity. That given, the results will be assured and your path set. Good luck in your brave acknowledgent of a calling. Regards, John”

  1115. Sorry for the long post, but I hope someone may find it useful. Like I said above; it came to me at a time when I really needed a boost. Cheers :-)

  1116. JEFF..

    i think it is a good idea to leave magic mystical…i do not want to know how magic happens actually…it is nice to know how to be catalytic, but magic is magic….i see myself as more uncertain than clear thinking, but it is nice to know somebody thinks of me the other way around…smiling

    cheers, david

  1117. IMANTS…

    you mighta lost me amigo…but who cares? one way or another we both do our own thing…the old oak you saved for me is looking mighty fine for spring…try to catch you on skype before i launch myself into blues country….man i think you would like one of those juke joints…the blues heartbeat is here…just great just great…

    all best to you and to Linda (Lynda?)

    cheers, david

  1118. ROSS…

    i remember that letter from the first time and pleased to read it again…amazing how thoughtful John was in responding to you….thanks for the re-post…

    cheers, david

  1119. PAUL:

    damn, well somehow i don’t believe Michael for a minute there…and would love to read/hear the entire thing (what is the context of that quote?)…seems profoundly contradictory to what much of what Michael believes (believed?) and acts upon….I mean the part about nihilism….contextualized: the most important photograph in half-life for him is the photograph of his daughter…which is contradictory to ‘nihilistic’ instincts….and if he were truly a nihilistic photographer, he 1) wouldn’t photograph at all, 2) stop publishing/exhibiting/teaching, 3) not embrace randomness….

    by the way, setting oneself free from constraints is, for me too, critical to seeing/creating…but michael’s work is far from random ;))…none of our work is, truly….but, i agree with embracing the drift of things, even failure, above all failure….moriyama did that better than anyone, when he published Goodbye Photography….

    for sure photography is (for some, including me) a stripping away, a re-writing, a scratching upon, an act of something…a pleasure and a sorrow…photography, hardly about extinction, but rather the opposite, our huge need and hunger to sing out against the vanishing, against the extinction, …not as fact, but as rhyme…..would write more, but really saving time for something else….maybe, i’ll jump in sometime soon, with wine….love michael, but i will definitely ask about that quote….

    as for Loomings, coming…david doesn’t have it yet….made a promise in october (family) than once something (family) was finalized, i would send DAH loomings…that other thing to finalize has taken longer to come to fruition…but it is done….good days, i feel very good about it…on bad days, i do not…but, i also believe that, since it was made exclusively for burn, it’s ok…there are a lot of scratches in that work…and lots of prose…and lot’s of white….i’m in no rush….and will see dah soon soon for cocktails….

    DAVID:

    if Panos doesn’t have Jukka’s email, let me know…i was chatting with him last night through letters…

    cheers
    running
    b

  1120. PANOS…

    assume by now you have hooked up with Alec…should be fun….that is a great project…lots of cool stuff going on in our craft….Alec Soth is the guy who got me to do Road Trips…i could kill the guy!

  1121. a civilian-mass audience

    BURNIANS,
    Extremely busy…no time to check …comments,links,leaks…BUT,BUT,BUT…
    I just checked out…some Postcards from America…and oime what did I see???

    OUR BURNING BUS!
    but who is the driver,the crew?…are we ready to go?did I miss something…I didn’t see BURNIANS on the board…hmmm…Some photographers will drive around with our bus,the BURNING bus…
    hmmm…did they rent it?…I am colorblind,hmm…maybe it’s not our bus afterall
    I might be tired… in case ,it’s not our Bus,I wish them safe travels and happy times!

    and back to our regular program…I see MR.HARVEY around…that means we have MAGIC.
    Magic is here and I agree “magic is magic” and olives with feta is magic too!!!

    IMANTS…”I just take the journey”…
    I hear you mate, take the journey like Odysseas…and don’t even think to say that Odysseas was not Greek…cause civi can be an exploder too:)))

    thank you all for the magic and especially ANTON, the crew and DAHAWK for the ultimate MAGIC…
    etcetera…

  1122. a civilian-mass audience

    and IMANTS…please remind me when I see you…
    I will show you all about…ALEXANDER the Great GREEK…;)

    Tonight ouzo on me…!

  1123. David that reminds me better pack for the trip to Arunchal Pradesh gotta leave in a couple of days, mossie nets, malaria tabs etc just the very basic accommodation. Got a driver already organised pack the GF1,the contax film camera, a point and shoot for Linda that’s all the camera gear needed. I will try a skype see what happens.
    ps David my response was mainly to Paul

  1124. a civilian-mass audience

    I meant what I meant…and all I meant is simple English…:)
    if I don’t see you around …safe travels IK!

    What not to love…!!!

  1125. BOB…

    well i must have missed a whole bunch of stuff because i cannot make heads or tails of your last comment..smiling…well, i had to tune out of Burn comments for most of Rio (the whole month) and even upon return i have had expenses to do, and pics to file and all of the stuff that happens when gone from home for a month…loving this time however..good things happening with pictures..always a boost…i have jukka email from erica, but thanks..see you soonest Toronto…

    cheers, david

  1126. PAUL

    i have gone the other way…i went 20 years at least without owning a tripod, yet have recently gone back….in France for example i found i could shoot “candids” easier with a tripod than without…without i was being sneaky by the new French codes, and with i was declaring intent… at a sidewalk cafe people could move in or out of my obvious shooting zone at their will…at that point i could shoot away from the camera with a cable release having composed prior perhaps even as i chatted , shared wine with my new friends who by this time love love the camera…did the same thing in a few Aussie pubs with the Fuji 6×9…those are extreme cases, but it is what brought me back to the tripod…mostly i use it with my Mamiya VII…indoors available…and sometimes just for, well, fun….

    cheers, david

  1127. Imants

    I struggle everyday I write a post round here, writing isn’t something natural for me :)! Just wish we could all be sitting round a campfire chatting away, I just find it so much easier to express myself talking…
    Somehow I knew my post would not go down to well…of course you’re right it isn’t something you can summon up whenever you wish, use it for a couple of hours and stop for lunch and then pick it up again. But it isn’t too difficult either… a positive frame of mind, being capable of leaving out the daily grind for awhile and summoning up the child within you the one who had fun as a kid when hours went racing by even though you were absolutely sure only twenty minutes had gone by…
    I’m not even going to attempt to explain this anymore and I write this with a big grin on my face…just too tired and I know very well you know where that state of mind exists…also bit miserable as one of my doctors told me this morning there is an extremely good chance I won’t be able to walk on my left foot without crutches ever again. But only slightly miserable not too much because I’m thinking about the two photo projects I’ve got in mind this month… and one if nothing weird happens will probably start tomorrow… so I’m burning.
    Have a good trip and take care!

  1128. Paul, Ross:

    Thanks for your comments. I see a thread between the two; Paul’s idea of competitive sports training and the need to focus combined with John Mclean’s notion of stepping stones. That, with the surging popularity of cycling on these pages (to wit: Panos, myself, David and now Alec!); there are all sorts of improvements in performance one desires and works for. They have a tendency to creep up invisibly, and arrive often sooner than one’s awareness that they have done so!

    ———

    I attended Toronto’s Slutwalk this Sunday. It was a rally and march to protest comments made by a police officer at a conference, where he stated that women who dress provocatively were “asking” for trouble. I was there half an hour ahead of time; already about 2,000 protesters – mostly women – had arrived. (Just a few hundred were expected and between 3,000 to 5,000 marched.) I wrangled my way into the centre of the crowd where the organizers were and began photographing. I was aware of the “in-zone” sensation we’ve discussed here, and I was thinking of Roberta’s words…being the favourite guest in the hotel…as I worked through the crowd. I was sensitive to the anger initially, and how without any great sea-change it turned to therapy-in-numbers, and then to pride. All the while the women allowed me to engage; I was quite amazed at their ease with me.

    Afterward, and after the film was developed, one of the first images I captured struck me. A close-up of one of the organizers with another in the background, along with a couple more protesters, were looking at my camera and me directly and I think, in a manner inviting. It was almost as if they were throwing down the gauntlet, and challenging me to bear witness to a historic occasion.

    I wonder if this is the sort of inexplicable magic we are discussing here; was that moment the trigger for me?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/firststream/5588014452/sizes/l/in/photostream/

  1129. David…

    Yes I see what you mean the tripod does make you obvious and there is no way anyone can accuse you of taking a picture without permission! Nice camera the Fuji 6×9! I’ve got a Fuji 6x7III just wish that little circle for focussing was slightly larger, I really have to strain my eyes with it!

  1130. Jeff…

    That is a very nice portrait and it doesn’t matter one bit if it’s slightly out of focus because you can feel the good vibes between you and these ladies.
    I’m glad you grasped the concept I was trying to explain.

  1131. If I remember correctly John Coltrane is a great example of artist who would get into “the zone” especially after giving up drugs…

  1132. Well goodnight to everybody it’s 1:30am round here, I’m going back to sleep, got out of bed specially for Imants :))

  1133. Thanks Paul, bit of a bummer about the leg …… you got me wrong there I work in that summon it manner, I start and drift into the journey and I can do it like a 9-5 daily grind, I never really start from a inspiration stance or summon some bunch of gods. It is what I do in life, a discipline I learnt as a stonemason /landscaper working long days alone.

  1134. MICHAEL K – yes, I pressed to update my settings and still wound up back with TheOtherPlace listed every time. Weird, huh? I’ll try again in a few days, in case it is a wordpress glitch.

    PAUL – YES!!! Let’s do that! A BURNing campfire meetup (nearish to a town for photo opps, of course, mind…). You are now The Official Designated Camp Mother, tasked with arranging this. ;-P

  1135. Paul it was a matter of waking up at 4 am home at 8pm for months on end seven days a week until the job was completed no great incentive other than your own ability to create and complete the work.

  1136. DAVID :))

    I just was writing about the quote from Michael Ackerman…not really anything, just surprised about the last thing he said, really surprised, but well..one never knows anything/anybody really ;))))

    see u soon(est)! :)))

    PAUL: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :))))))))))))))….SO SO SO HAPPY (about the McCarthy!)…maybe with Blood Meridian and Suttree, my favorite of his books…he’s a major hero of mine and so happy to see him now get the recognition he deserves….book is magnificent, really and heart-kniving book….as for Ackerman quote, well…ummmm….ok, if i ever get talk-to-talk, i asked him about it….who knows ;)))…i remember being horrified many a time when something i’ve said or written was put down on tablet ;))….best way to counter that ;)))….just wait for the Looming’s statement…longer, but maybe it will be an antithesis……

    toward that finger-stain’d horizon, each of us go, sprocket-after-sprocket and one at a click of f-stopped breath, tumbling at a time

    cheers
    b

  1137. that should be

    toward that finger-stain’d horizon each of us go, sprocket-after-sprocket and one click, f-stopped breath, tumbling at a time

    the horizon is all
    ….

  1138. Imants;)
    I know how it feels when there’s 0 (zero) heritage to hang on too..
    It’s the same like being from Belgium or Lichtenstein ..
    Pretty painful ha? Sorry!
    Next life;)

  1139. Scratch the above..as DAH said above, I got more serious things to do than defending myself from all that defending myself from all that button pushing/bashing.. It got old very soon..:)
    Big hug
    Back to work now…see y’all later..

  1140. Panos Next life;) I will be doing even more exciting things than worry about some has been place that is good at financially imploding itself. …….grin ……… after all one of my previous lives was Alex from Macedonia

  1141. after all one of my previous lives was Alex from Macedonia
    ———————————————————
    yup, im absolutely convinced about that already…no worries

  1142. Clever Derision.

    Been reading the comments in “U.S.80” essay…

    There should be an award. Which artist (with no doubt a tortured, troubled soul and oh so bored with… well, everything!) can be most clever in their derision? Least constructive in their criticism? Most attention grabbing in their contempt? Forever cultivating their online persona… the troubled craftsman, struggling with demons (of course!), cutting deeply and viciously work presented with the grooviest mockery yet no helpful suggestions… there should be an award for the best at this flavor of critique. Clever, clever derision. And the winner is… ;^}

  1143. Here are a few pics from the past weekend shot with the Fuji x100. I’ve downloaded these full size. If you would like to view at 100% just go to the bottom of the photo and click on “original”

    I’m enjoying the Fuji, though not without some reservations and a few nit-picks.

    Image quality is astounding. I love the eye level viewing, both the optical, and, surpisingly the EVF. There are a few annoying things, and it is a bit on the sluggish side, turning on, writing to the card, and focusing. I’ll elaborate after I’ve had a bit more time working with it.

    Overall, a delightful camera to use.

    http://www.pbase.com/glafleur/fuji_x100 These were shot on a road trip to Tahsis, a small community on the outer coast of Vancouver Island.

  1144. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…don’t always believe what they say(EVA)…keep doing your meditation,self-focused project
    and you will be running soon…in case it doesn’t work come over to Grecolandia.
    We will exchange…I give you my cane,you give me your crutches:)

    GORDON,JEFF,PANOS,BOBBY,EVA,FRAMERS,MICHAELK,THODORIS,ROSSY…and …and…
    thanks for the leaks…
    you keep my eyes and my brain busy!

    IMANTS…Amber fluid on you :)
    AUSSIE salute from civi !!!

  1145. a civilian-mass audience

    I am the happiest civilian in the world and I wakka you(love you) ALLLLL….!!!

    Can I sing now?

  1146. Jeff and anyone who is interested…

    Been thinking all night about this magic we’ve been talking about, I’ve even dreaming about it tonight…. I can feel the buzz of electricity in my body with which it usually begins with, I’ll post a few comments and I’m off to
    BURN…
    Here’s an excerpt from the film “Peaceful Warrior” I think it really gets to the point. In fact the whole film does, although the book overdoes just a little too much…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lWuUzpLLUs&feature=related

    Thinking of books which SORT of deal with all this…
    Zen in the Art of Archery…
    http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Archery-Eugen-Herrigel/dp/0375705090/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302074513&sr=8-1
    Free Play…
    http://www.amazon.com/Free-Play-Improvisation-Life-Art/dp/0874776317/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302074569&sr=1-1
    Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values…
    http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-Maintenance-Inquiry/dp/0061673730/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302074606&sr=1-1
    Zen of Seeing: Seeing/Drawing as Meditation….
    http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Seeing-Drawing-Meditation/dp/0394719689/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302074729&sr=1-1
    The Zen of Creativity: Cultivating Your Artistic Life…(This is perhaps the weakest of all)
    http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Creativity-Cultivating-Your-Artistic/dp/0345466330/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302074773&sr=1-1

    How many of you play frisbee? Now that is one very magical game and if you and your partner are any good and get a rhythm going the energy can be increadible…
    Adrenaline rush, electricity and loads and loads of magic, magic! Must suggest to Skype someway of playing frisbee on the net or what the hell on BURN in the sand dunes.
    I don’t surf but some of my best friends do and they speak about the same state of mind…

  1147. a civilian-mass audience

    ohh…one more thing…
    I don’t do cycling…BUT I do re-cycling…am I in…?:)))

    back to work…and don’t hesitate to post here…BURN is THE place to BE!!!

  1148. Imants…

    I know what you mean, working alone…used to drive a lorry round town delivering packets 50 clients in three hours big boxes like washing machines, ovens… anyway every kind of kitchen electrical appliance you can purchase and of course no parking spaces just mad work all on my own. Yes you just have to get into the rhythm or the daily monotony will kill you it’s the same state of mind just for different reasons. Although not everyone survives these type of jobs mentally!! At least I was moving around, meeting different people all the time…your job reminds me of the kids back at the warehouse unloading semi-trailers full of washing machines, fridges, ovens I’ve even seen a whole semi-trailer full to the brim with Vitroceramic Hobs loaded without pallets, excruciatingly hard monotonous work.

  1149. Paul I played with stone, walls, waterfalls with all sorts of nooks and carnies with water emerging from unexpected places that seemed to travel uphill, 100 sandstone steps up a 38 degree slope eventually you look at your hands and see the fluidity that only stone posses. Hard but never monotonous…..now I teach, make books and create dreams in my garden.

  1150. Michael Kircher…
    Laughing!! I think for many this is always a case of “the glass half full half empty” syndrome.

  1151. Michael Kircher. I actually enjoyed the comment you refer to. More than the essay…

  1152. PAUL…ROSS

    Alec Soth interview coming right up here on Burn…did the interview a few weeks ago, but am just now getting around to publishing it….timing right..

  1153. Im with ALEC SOTH in SA as we speak….more details coming soon..
    with his permission (of course) i did some portraits of his…back soon..
    Burn Exclusive

  1154. KATIA…SAM…MICHAEL

    yes, yes…..one thing i have noticed about the truly great photogs and critics, is that they just do not generally feel the need for derision…not a part of their makeup or spirit….show me one derisive piece of critique coming from a seriously respected photog or pro critic….most pure derision is new …a function of the net whereby anyone can write on the wall…..if a respected critic does not like a piece of work, the response is generally just silence or an intellectual treatise….or constructive critique if they like it somewhat, but see improvement possible…pure derision for its own sake perhaps says something more about the critic than the work…just guessing.

  1155. PAUL

    i interviewed Allard about a year and a half ago for Burn and again for Lensblog a couple of months ago…those are the only two ….you expecting another? i have nothing in the pipeline until the boy does something new!

  1156. DAH: “pure derision for its own sake perhaps says something more about the critic than the work…”

    Nicely said, thank you!

  1157. DAH – how very Auden of you! I seem to recall that he said a bad critique was essentially just an excuse to show off that one is more intelligent/witty/etc than the author (in any sense) of the work being reviewed.

  1158. Can somebody show me this DERISION please?
    Bob, jim, me, aitken?….I mean who are we talking about, without naming, here?
    I have looked and I can see critique and opinion, but having a real hard time finding derision.
    Kinda strong words to bandy around anonymously

    j

  1159. a civilian-mass audience

    for my ESL BURNIANS…

    noun
    1. ridicule; mockery
    2. an object of ridicule.

    Don’t we ALL love BURN !!!

  1160. a civilian-mass audience

    and for all MY BURNIANS…
    ALEC SOTH will be up in our screens…VIVAAAAAAA!!!

    MR.HARVEY …”Alec Soth interview coming right up here on Burn..”

    PANOS…”ALEC SOTH in SA… i did some portraits of his…back soon..
    Burn Exclusive”

    BURN Exclusive…BURN Exclusive…I am ready…
    BURN to BURN

    P.S…and who is ALEC SOTH?!!

  1161. ok, i’ll way in, quickly….

    i don’t understand or see any derision at all….jim’s comments are almost all the same and so, i think are genuine and not meant to ‘belittle’ the photographer (as i used to think) but just reflects his texas short-tooth style (no derision intended ;)))) )…as for Gladdy’s comments, i thought, actually, it was both funny but also quite insightful and a good critique, and the color thing was apt ;)…ian or me?…well, i didn’t feel anything either negative…and of course, this must be the first time in a while i’ve written ‘negatively’ about an essay here…and hardly derisive…

    i will say something, something that I had wanted to write last week before all the wild language…over the last 2 essays…

    marina and i chatted about this, as there have been many many many times when i wished to stop writing at BURN…actually, even marina, at times, has asked me to stop, as she believes i spent too much writing here instead of publishing…and too much time fighting with negative folk or whatever….

    who knows what will happen, my heart is here and so i don’t want to stop writing, just as i will always give burn shot at something i’ve made, unless commissioned by others…but….here is something..

    akin to what david has written…

    i do not understand negativity, at all…in fact, it has been my experience that the most talented have often the most generous acceptance of others, of other work…not always true of course, but generally speaking…a wide vision and a wide appreciation…nothing wrong with ‘negative’ critiques, because we don’t all get things, we don’t all like…even Alec (who of all the so-called-famous photograhers i’ve had the pleasure to drink with, alone in a dark bar away from fans, along with david, seemed the most genuinely loving and caring and honest guy) can be critical of others work…so, good discussion is important, but i do find it an irony that often the most vociferously and most consistantly negative (here and elsewhere) often seem to be the least interesting in their command of a medium….

    of course, not always true….but comes up alot…i see it in the photoworld and the literary world and the art world, and i’ve got my balls stretched over all that silly terrain…

    but, i agree with John, it is tough when folks think someone is being derisive but not drawn out specifically….

    anyway, it’s just pictures…

    gotta fly
    bb

    p.s.

  1162. a civilian-mass audience

    Viva Universe…AUSSIES,NORTH and SOUTH AMERICANS,EUROPEANS,AFRICANS,ASIANS,N.ZEALANDERS,
    NORTH and SOUTH POLEANS…

    BURN is BURNINGGGGG!!!

    bring me …the links…or I will explode before your eyes:)

  1163. just to qualify about the alec-is-honest stuff, …along with david, he’s the cat i enjoyed the most for his honesty and straightforward honesty….i don’t know how he or david manage, as with my own stupid-ass little bit of ‘spotlight’, it gets difficult to keep your sensibility when everyone wants something….i struggle with this alot….

    ok, enough of this name-dropping bullshit…:))))

    i’ve got laundry to take care of tonight

    bb

  1164. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,regarding the derision comment…
    you know MICKAELK…is half Greek(Mixalis)…therefore …we Greeks(as very magic and mystical creatures)…we often use rhetorical techniques because we Do practice Sophism a lot…

    Now,since we are so many sophists and sycophants here…we can all move on and enjoy the beautiful day or night
    under the BURNING tent…:)!!

  1165. a civilian-mass audience

    THANK YOU BOBBY…for the insight info regarding the new …hmmm…BURNIAN…

    May the spirits of laundry be with you…all my hugs to DIMA and MARINA!

    Come on BURNIANS…show me what you got…
    I am in the zoneeeeeee

  1166. Ha, enough hogwash in this thread to wash a lot of hogs. So many things in this world
    merit derision and many somewhat convincingly argue that artists and critics were put on this good earth to do it properly. And Gladdy, unless you’ve got a stack of Paul Ankara albums you pull out when you’re feeling insufficiently giddy, stand up for yourself man, cause that was a gloriously derisive comment. I don’t have to agree with it to appreciate it (and how can I when you go so far as to deride a color?)

    And bob, as much as I enjoy your to write or not to write soliloquies, you love doing it, it’s an important part of who you are, my advice is to either accept it or quit and join some cult that appreciates self-flagellation.

    To paraphrase the immortal words of bukowski, derision for all my friends!

  1167. If no one sees derision or mockery then there is no derision or mockery. If no one intended derision or mockery then there is no derision or mockery. My mistake.

  1168. a civilian-mass audience

    Artists …critics … are ALL pirates
    no flags,no countries,no borders…!!!
    civilians are a different story…
    hmmm…
    therefore the pirate’s life ain’t for me:(((

    where is my damn ouzo and the BURN exclusive…?

  1169. A quick question for everyone… How do you all decide whether to shoot in BW or colour? I’ve primarily been a colour person; actually I’ve never shot a BW project.

    I’ve been shooting at my friend’s organic farm lately and even though I feel that (in general shooting) I’m getting better with colour; I just can’t make colour work here. Way too many distracting colours and elements e.g. white feed buckets, “saved up for future use” type materials etc.

    However it feels a bit of a cop out to go BW because I love working in colour. I also don’t want them to look “old time”; but I think have a pretty good handle on that. One magazine did an article on them and my friend was pretty pissed because the BW pics they used made them seem like a bunch of hillbillies; which is so far off the mark.

    At this stage I think I’ve probably settled on BW, so maybe I’m just seeking positive affirmation? :-)

    Thanks :-)

  1170. Imants; “I do long haul trips here in Oz 3-4 times a year ……. hardly ever take the camera out”

    In Oz that’s just called going to the supermarket isn’t it? ;-)

  1171. a civilian-mass audience

    ROSSY…
    I would love to see my chickens in B&W…maybe because I see them everyday in color…hmmm…
    since you asked…”A quick question for everyone”:)

    yeap,PAUL…thanks for the links…!

    I found my ouzo…waiting for the Exclusive:)

  1172. Bugger. I just spent a good 20 minutes procrastinating by writing a response to Ross, only to lose connection. Boo to rubbish internet. :-(

    (alas, I must actually do some work now)

  1173. a civilian-mass audience

    FRAMERS…I lost connection too…no buggers for me though…my damn post came through
    next round on me…say hi to my Liverpoolian friends;)

    and PANOS…it’s 2:15a.m…got to work tomorrow…the Exclusive please…!

  1174. Speaking of connections…. Broadband finally available where I live! So no more slooooow dial-up. I’ve been spoiled with wireless for 3-days now and can actually view Burn essays when they are posted; no more waiting til I visit the folks (and use their broadband)…

  1175. a civilian-mass audience

    ok…I was just talking to NEVEN …an old BURNIAN…and we were drinking ouzo…oime
    BURNING meeting …

    VIVA NEVEN,VIVA BURNIANS…tonight we celebrate …the vagabundos and to the
    BURN Exclusive…the elusive…

    ok,I am out of battery

  1176. Ross, maybe go high-key a bit to reduce saturation? Vicky Slater (who posts here from time to time) has look that I like, and use sometimes, with soft pastel colors.

  1177. a civilian-mass audience

    JEFF…oime:)
    I have an update…Germans are winning right now…but Greeks will recover…hmmm…
    yes,we will recover!

    BURN ADMIN,
    when you make a promise to a civilian…you better keep the promise.
    PANOS,that goes for you too:)))
    but since “patience” is my stage name…I can wait…hmmm
    the BURN Exclusive please:)

    ok,this message is from FB area…
    Gina Martin
    Photographer MIKE BROWN is looking for someone to rent his cool brooklyn (williamsburg) loft beginning may 1st. email Mike for pics: mcb@mcbphotos.com

    LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLLL

  1178. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…do you have rain? do u see rain…?
    I need your help…big project ahead…
    thank you!

  1179. a civilian-mass audience

    they say “Euro must prevail”…but my people are suffering…

    we are the “PIG”…and we are good people…we will prevail!

  1180. Justin; I had thought about that too. I’ve spent the day sorting through yesterday’s pics and think I will continue in BW. Even high key won’t diffuse the bright white bucket, blue tarpaulin or bright red compressor in the background etc. Thanks for your input though; it is appreciated! :-)

  1181. David Alan Harvey:

    I just sent you the 32 mb pdf of the book in progress through wetransfer – a large file transfer service, so please be on the lookout. A notification from Wetransfer should be in your inbox. If not, check your spam filter.

    I also wrote an email in which I tried to explain, but I think now that I should have waited until tomorrow, after I get some sleep. I hope you will be able to make sense of the email.

    Thank you!

  1182. a civilian-mass audience

    FROSTFROG…the book …I am waiting for the book and the cat…
    I can wait:)))

    IMANTS…”Those to whom we say farewell, are welcomed by others.”

  1183. Civi, I’m not home, no help from me on the wheater front side, am up north, other sides of the Alpes, beautiful SUMMER heat!!

  1184. Ross..B/W vs colour

    We are seeing much less b/w since the digital age. Will black and white photography fade off into history like black and white films?

    Up until the digital age, most of my personal work was black and white. This choice was probably economic as much as an aesthetic . I mean it is ok to shoot with abandon when a client is picking up the tab. It is another thing to shoot personal stuff with abandon with that little voice in the back of your head whispering “there goes another dollar” every time you click the shutter.

    A lot of people still love black and white. I love black and white. My favourite personal photos, and photo books are black and white. However I seldom choose to render my work in black and white anymore unless the colour getting in the way. My favourite personal photos since 2003 are colour.

    In my work life, I am in the middle of shooting for my annual tribute to mothers and daughters photo exhibit. In pre-digital days, as much as half the show would be in black and white. The first year we shot digital, we could of course show the client both black and white and colour. Most of the clients who had requested black and white chose colour after seeing both. We ended up with only six of 40 portraits being in black and white. Last year there were only two. This year, we have booked more than 40 portraits sessions and not a single client has requested black and white. The times are a changin’.

  1185. a civilian-mass audience

    DAVIDB…
    “A good teacher is like a candle – it consumes itself to light the way for others.”
    Go BJARTE!

    GORDON,
    I do love your life…!

    EVA,VIVA…safe travels…I know,you are buying more books but hey,I have addiction too;)

    Come on BURNIANS,give me a picture…life is beautiful!

  1186. How to decide whether to shoot b&w or color? Hmmm…when I have a digital camera with me I shoot color and when I have a film camera with me I shoot b&w.

  1187. Civi, pfffffffffffff.. not one single book til now.. not ONE exhibit.. only workworkwork :(
    Made ONE picture.. can’t show, it’s in the camera..

    Gordon, you really think about money when you click through a roll? Could not do that!

    Ross, b/w RULES.. as does colour ;)

    Paul.. melting!

    David… another evil link????

  1188. Jeff…

    Cool photo, you seem to thrive with women round you, same here!!!!!!!! Great way of emptying your mind, but it is quite an international sport :)))!! Typical boarding school antics at least where I studied in England.

  1189. How to decide whether to shoot b&w or color? Hmmm…when I have a digital camera with me I shoot color and when I have a film camera with me I shoot b&w.
    ——————————————————

    most retarded comment ever, but i love it !!!;)

  1190. Marcin…

    Did you ever manage to find out what film Alessandra Sanguinetti uses? I’m just as curious as you are…

  1191. Marcin…

    We must all try and find you a new online translator I’m sure you didn’t mean this…:)
    Main Entry: retarded.
    Part of Speech: adjective
    Definition: limited.
    Synonyms: backward, birdbrained, defective, dim, dim-witted, dopey, dull, dumbbell, dumbo, dumdum, dummy, exceptional, feeble-minded, gorked, half-witted, held back, imbecile, lamebrained, mentally defective, moronic, numbskull, opaque, pinhead, retardo, sappy, simple, simple-minded, slow, slow-witted, stupid, subnormal, touched, underachieving, weak, yo-yo.

  1192. Hey Panos and Marcin….

    Sorry for the mix up I thought Marcin had posted that comment!!
    Panos! I’m learning your dialect! Yes dope, but I never knew ridiculous was awesome!!

  1193. John…

    Love the second photo, they seem totally unaware of your presence which is just perfect…
    Well slowly you and Eva and sometimes Bob B are brainwashing me… which is great!
    I’ve got 3 rolls of Tri-X shot at 1600 to develop sometime.
    I used to shoot a lot T-max 3200 with my Leica, sort of forgotten it until I started trawling through my contact sheets last week. Much prefer the 3200 than the crappy 400 T-max. Must try pushing PAN F PLUS and see what that pepper grain can offer :)

  1194. Eva

    I never thought about money when shooting black and white, since I developed it myself. Shooting colour film however, it would be very easy to click several hundred dollars away in an afternoon. Most people are simply not in an economic position where cost is not a factor. Digital technology has democratized photography and silenced that little voice warning you of economic constraints.

  1195. Can you explain to us your photographic process for creating Until the Kingdom Comes?

    “Most of my images are constructed in the computer, from images I’ve photographed near and far, staged or on intuition. I know when an image is done when I see it, but I never know how to get there, so I do a lot of testing and experimentation, figure things out as I go along. I’m interested in how fantasies shape our experience of reality, the instability of meaning, how things are never only what they appear to be, so making the impossible feel plausible is one reason I use digital techniques.”

    http://www.anothermag.com/current/view/629/Paris_Photo_2010_Alessandra_Sanguinetti_and_Simen_Johan

  1196. Thanks everyone for your input; more food for thought! I love B&W; so no problems there. I think I just feel like I’m copping out a bit by using B&W because those distracting elements turn to shades of grey; it’s not glaring red, white or silver (buckets etc) like it would be in colour.

    On the last outing they were killing some goats for the freezer. For them; the farm is the supermarket; the goats, sheep, pigs, cattle, chickens, ducks, rabbits etc, just as much as the huge gardens. As a side note; I’ve often said to my friend how much their garden reminds me of the Vanuatu bush gardens (a compliment).

    I often think it is too easy to use colour as a “shock tactic” when shooting this type of scene (animals being processed for food). Whereas the reality I want to get across is that it is normal, just a part of their everyday life; like I said; their supermarket.

    Cheers snd thanks! :-)

  1197. a civilian-mass audience

    ROSSY…I have a mini market…but you give me ideas…
    maybe I ‘ll expand…
    “civi the head of Well-mart”
    and then M.PARR can come and shoot me!
    oime…my brain is BURNING …full of ideas!

    not even the sky is the limit!

  1198. Marci and Paul…

    Ms. Sanguinetti was kind enough to answer my email. She says she likes to use the least expensive film most of the time. Haha. But mostly, she uses Fuji Provia. (never Velvia!) hope that helps. Big hug to you both!

    -M

  1199. a civilian-mass audience

    I had a dream…(kinda like BOBBY’S)…
    in my dream …I saw women and men …all pregnant…
    they were in the zone…ready to give birth…
    they were sweating,swearing,laughing…
    they were focused …
    after 7 days of labor…
    someone screamed …the baby is out…we have a baby…
    and the baby was JUKE !!!

    Safe travels MY BURNIANS …

    .hmmm…no more heavy dinners for me
    ASANAAAAAAAAAA

  1200. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…I get it…
    X is the “unknown”… according to the mathematics
    therefore
    yes,you can have the best sex with the X…X=unknown

    X+YOU= best Sex !

    ok,no more beer for me:(
    Asanaaaa

  1201. “civi the head of Well-mart”

    Well-mart; hmmm, their philosophy; grow what you eat/eat what you grow. A recipe for Well-ness! So Well-mart is quite aplicable… :-) Anyway; off out there to shoot now :-)

  1202. David –

    I just realized that I left a key title out at the end. A title is a small thing, but this one is important enough that I am making and will soon send you you a second pdf.

    Please trash the one with the suffice “O” and keep “Oa”. Thanks.

  1203. FROSTFROG

    hey Bill you are the greatest, and i want to see your project, but you are giving me a lot to do to take look at your work…you gotta make it really really easy for me…i look at so so much work in a day , that 30 seconds actually means something to me…30 secs here and 30 secs there add up…like weight in a backpack..right? if i cannot open something more or less easily, you have lost me….

    i played w wetransfer for 20 minutes to no good end..my own fault i am sure…i am a lousy trouble shooter and i have no patience waiting to see pictures…if i have to do research, wait forever for something to open, or spend any time at all trying to fix something w a program or whatever, then i am gone…other kinds of things i have the patience of Job, but not computer things…sorry…. :)

    i will take all the time in the world to look at your photographs…that is not wasting time….that is a pleasure…it is the opening opening opening of the package that kills me….

    at this point we should just wait until i am back from blues country anyway….i leave in the morning and not back home til a week from monday and totally wrapped up until then….i know already your work is worth waiting for…

    cheers, david

  1204. JOHN GLADDY

    i guess “derision” is in the mind of the beholder John…but when you have several here feeling the same thing, there might just be something to it after all….perhaps one could substitute “derision” for other words like ‘arrogance” or “condescending”, but it all adds up to about the same thing..a type of pretension…i think you must admit that one of the weaknesses of the net is a preponderance of the cynical critic…the angry photographer….the “nobody accepts my work , so i will not accept anyone else'” concept…wearying….yes, we do get some very good critique here…some of the best on any site, and i am not talking about positive or negative, i am just talking “quality” of missive.

  1205. David – I am sorry you had wetransfer problems. I know that weight in the backpack feeling and I certainly do not want to lay that on you. I have tested wetransfer out on myself and it has opened up instantly, and I have used wetransfer many times with others with no problems, so I do not know what happened – but anything can happen in the online world.

    I will put the file on a CD and mail it to you. It should be there when you get back and you will not have to fool with wetransfer.

  1206. Michael,

    Thanks! Well I am quite surprided it is provie, but I never used it so what I know :) until now! Funny thing, yesterday I have bought a few overdue provias :)))
    will be fun

  1207. a civilian-mass audience

    BURN exclusive is in…Thank you BURNIANS…you do deliver!

    I will be reading:)

  1208. a civilian-mass audience

    I am running …I am going to the store…NOW…

    ALEC said that I can’t have all my eggs in one basket…I need to diversify…
    but he didn’t say…how many baskets shall I buy…hmmm…
    well,I will figure out…I am a civilian afterall

    I will be back

  1209. Michael Kircher…
    Thanks for the information! Yes I was pretty sure it was Provia…said so the first time Marcin asked. Provia has always been such an underrated film…practically no reciprocity failure up 90 seconds, fine grain (iso 100) and pushes well and good skin tones.

  1210. a civilian-mass audience

    you are focused EVA…and this cat is focused too…
    If I was younger…I would be scared :)
    the tail will do it for me!

    safe travels…keep melting!

  1211. a civilian-mass audience

    and since we are talking about cats…
    check this out…

    http://www.john-gladdy.com/

    and AUDREY ,GORDON,FROSTFROG …more miracles to see…

    LOVE YOU ALLLLLL…I got 5 more baskets for my eggs…what about you JARED:)?

  1212. a civilian-mass audience

    oups…where is your baby cat JOHNG…I was strolling through your photos…
    I bet my rooster…there was a cat there…hmmm

  1213. hmm derision!
    Well we English do have a different attitude…only the English could of survived the blitz…i’m constantly accused by my Spanish wife of been overtly arrogant and possesing an extremely cycnical sense of humour…the English humour is really at the edge of being cruel…but generally as a whole we are very nice people…even though we think for sure we are superior to the rest.SMILING Of course this over the web can cause missunderstandings so I 98% of the time leave out the negative from my comments although if we all did this Burn would surely be very dull…

  1214. Civi, Johnny’s kitty is not directly linkable (he’s got one of those “±#fi¿ sites).. it sits in the ‘none of the above’ gallery, and it looks beautiful!

  1215. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…let me tell you this…

    there would be No Universe without YOU…
    BRITISH people …we LOVE YOU ALLLLLL

  1216. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…I hear you…I know all about leaks…and pretty soon I will master the links too;)

    PAUL…do you imply that I am a dull,tedious,boring…WTF…;)))))))))))
    (your website is getting better everyday day!)

    PARTYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  1217. And John.. I would not be so sure about that.. I think it’s different things that push buttons for different people, as Paul pointed out, sense of humour isn’t the same all around, same might be for other feelings.. I do know what it is that makes me explode.. some days more, some days less.. stuff that leaves cold others..

  1218. a civilian-mass audience

    ” I would love it if you guys were sitting down here by the fire, and it would be a great meeting of the minds.”
    DAH

    I would love if EVA,THODOROS,PAUL,JOHNG,GAETANO,MARCIN,MICHAELK,FROSTFROG…and I have 257 names …
    and another 8,000,000,000.000 to copy and paste…hmmm…
    if all…you were sitting here,in your civilian’s house by the fire,next to the chickens with ouzo,wine and olives…great meeting of minds and souls…

    BUT I believe in the Universe…and one day,yes one day…you will be here !!!

  1219. a civilian-mass audience

    back to BURN’S exclusive …BIG AL is on my screen!!!

    THODORIS…my best friend’s name is THODORIS,THODOROS…well,he doesn’t take so good pictures though!

    I will be back…I am still reading …in the other aisle:)

  1220. Civi!!
    Not at all, to appreciate darkness for what it can represent for different people you need light…and that is why you are so important round here… Ying yang.
    It’s just that I fear that because of my lack of writing skills I generally sound dull. But I promise you in the real world I’m quite the opposite :)

  1221. Eva…
    I haven’t forgotten your print…it’s just that it’s a long time since I printed on my inkjet and I just don’t have any 30*40 paper or also known as A3… So i went to a local new printer and when he asked for the files in sRGB I ran away!! I’ll accept RGB and I prefer ProPhoto but never sRGB…so I’m searching for someone with a calibrated printer or with a RIP… I know in the end I’ll have to do it myself :))

  1222. Question time for the Michael Ackerman fans…
    I’m sitting in my local library with MY “Half Life”… how important is the general look of Ackerman’s images, by this I mean if I pulled out his film and surepticiously loaded his camera with Provia or Velvia, do you feel his images would lose their voice and power? Is his work a lot more than grain and contrast? BTW I have nothing against this book, I’m enjoying it inmensely. :)

  1223. a civilian-mass audience

    “… he is a down-to-earth, straight up, good guy and very ‘simple’ in the clarity of his thinking (intelligent, witty, precise) but in his gentle, nice person…”

    PAUL…I am all the above as you said…:))))))))
    hiiii…I am a cheater…I copied from the other aisle…
    This is ALEC…damnit…for a moment…I thought …BOBBY was talking about me…:))))))))))
    laughing all the way to the nest…
    more eggs to come…

    GO PAUL,GO PAUL…you can write…YOU can definitely write(of course nobody can write like BOBBY…
    hmmm…maybe KATHLEEN FONSECA,SIDNEY,AKAKY …:)))))))

    VIVA!!!

  1224. Paul, by any means, just print it smaller.. I thought we said 20×30?? A4 size? Don’t get in trouble over it.. but I still want the print ;)

    About Ackerman, I believe his voice is strong enough to come through, whatever brand of film he’s gonna put into the cam!

  1225. Eva…
    A4! That should be easy, think I’ve got some Hahnemuhle Photo Rag here at home.
    About Ackerman it wasn’t so much brands but types of film… I was wondering if you take out the brutal grain and everything that comes with ill-treating film and just gave him something like a fine grained slide film would he still be able to create images with a clear signature style.

  1226. Paul.. not so sure it would change anything, I mean, he could mistreat even fine grain film.. you only need the right chemicals and you can shake up even an PanF!

    I think it is all part of his voice, why would you take that off? Like taking off a chord of a guitar..

  1227. a civilian-mass audience

    Thank you PAUL…
    you are so right!
    MICHAELW. and JEFF…and …oime…yes…
    and so many others…But you see,I am just one civilian and I have ALL of YOU
    and YOU,my PHOTOPHILOSOPHERS are so many…
    no complaints though…I got what I wished for…

    the best of the best for the best…!

  1228. hmmm…maybe KATHLEEN FONSECA,SIDNEY,AKAKY…”
    I think we should also mention Michael Webster and Jeff Hladun in this list…two slightly underrated writers.
    ———————-
    also Paul…!

  1229. a civilian-mass audience

    “Just found out we have a free space available for a one on one video workshop with me in Clarksdale Mississippi as I’ll be making a doc short on the blues with the Canon 5d2. Check out https://www.burnmagazine.org/workshops/ for details”
    BRYAN HARVEY

    I just copied from FB area…

    What took you so long…? I was telling people we are full…oime,I turned people away:(

    To ALL the photogs out there…there is an opening…!!!

  1230. paper is still hot?
    seems so, and big al’s in the room..

    mississippi, eh..
    when ever in the states i order something from a restaurant – an americanism heard in a film or so-forth.
    last time was “eggs-over-easy”..
    sounded good.. was.
    mud-pie.. that’s Mississippi, yeah?
    i’ll have mud-pie..

    have fun david…
    d

  1231. Panos…

    Thank you that is very kind of you. I do try my best, but as I have mentioned before I only practice English with Burn, two kids, a Pit bull and a Mexican Chihuahua! I wouldn’t be surprised if you are finding the same problem after so many years over in the US with your Greek…although I read constantly most of my novels in English I can’t seem to get up to the standard of writing I had over in England. But it will arrive I’m extremely stubborn!!

  1232. DAH–

    i think you misunderstood Sam’s and my comment.
    we very much approved of Gladdy’s comment on the last essay.

    have a great week in blues country.
    looking forward to seeing Juke.

  1233. Akaky…

    Wondering if by any chance you have a grounded Chinook in your garden you could donate to Burn for the ultimate quintessential RoadTrip Workshop? I thought about a BURN-BUS and the alliteration sounds cool, but we need to be able to get out of town, damn quick when the shit hits the fan. No doubt you, Bob B, MW, Jeff and whoever else volunteers can take turns at writing the daily RoadTrip diary… of course you’ll be obliged to be up at dawn like the rest of us for DAH’s daily photo critiques with coffee. Dinner and ahem fruit juice round the campfire and the usual bonfire inspiration at night…

  1234. Woke up this morning and she said it’s time for me to go.
    Woke up this morning and she said it’s time for me to go.
    Packed up my gear and made my piece with my old dog Leica.
    Now i’m headed to the station to ride the rails to Clarksdale.

    I got the last ticket on the southbound DAH express.
    I got the last ticket on the southbound DAH express.
    Time to visit Mississippi John Hurt’s grave.
    Time to pay my respects to Son House.

    JUKE is the goal, sleeps not an option.
    JUKE is the goal, sleeps not an option.
    The ghost of Alan Lomax awaits us.
    Robert Johnson wants to talk.

  1235. a civilian-mass audience

    “I got the last ticket on the southbound DAH express…
    ♪♪♫
    JUKE is the goal,sleeps not an option…”♫
    ♫♪

    Rock on BURNIANS!!!

  1236. I would love to see David’s next book printed with the same size images as Eugene Richard’s ”The Blue Room”, it’s amazing how those images suck you in…must be the only successful abandoned house photography book I’ve ever seen. All the rest fail miserably only capturing the now, and not the past which is what really is the attraction in these places. The chance for a few seconds a glimpse of what it must of been like living in the fifties or early sixties. Richards manages to capture the life past and vanished within those houses playing with light and the landscape whilst within these homes and makes you realize however safe you think you, are ecternal events can make your safety and dreams tumble over.

  1237. a civilian-mass audience

    BURNIANS…

    JEFF had an idea…we will diversify…per ALEC SOTH’S suggestion!

    ” I propose a Department of Webenfreude Assassins, a League of Extraordinary Gentle People.”
    (in the BIG AL area)JH

    Lapin all organic …per civi’s indication:)
    …absinthe per MARCIN’S proposition…!

    Together we can do it…one person at a time…

    ALL organic…per DAH’S request !!!

  1238. Ross…

    Regarding your color vs. b&w question…

    In general, it’s a case by case type of thing, depending on what you what to express with your pictures (you should remember though that in the end everyone will read in them whatever they like…)

    As a case study have a look at this:
    http://tzalavras.com/Random_pics/Nicosia_color_vs_bw.jpg

    When I started shooting my Nicosia project I did a couple of rolls both in color slide and b&w negative (interchangeable backs help a lot in doing this sort of thing). Now, even though some of the places were very photogenic color-wise (kind of reminded me of pictures I’d seen from Cuba) their color versions did not convey at all what it feels (to me) to be inside this rooms, in this particular part of the world. So, the choice was clear.

    However, besides personal taste and artistic intentions, there are other factors to be considered.

    Money is a major one… shooting color slide where I live for example would mean sending my films to be processed abroad!! This might not be a factor for those living in London, NY, etc…

    Knowledge is another… someone with no background in the craft of processing and printing b&w film will probably think (at least) twice before taking on a b&w project. Again this might not be an obstacle if you live in a part of the world that still has places which process b&w, but then the costs go considerably up.

    All in all, from what you’ve posted about the specific project, b&w sounds like the right fit.

    Cheers.

  1239. Paul, vis-a-vis the grounded Chinook in my front yard. Sorry, I dont have one. I have a wheelbarrow in my front yard, but that’s not nearly the same thing, is it?

  1240. Akaky..
    Once we start the roadtrip we’ll have to take turns riding and pushing the wheel barrow. Although on second thoughts I live next to a golf course perhaps we can ”borrow” one of the battery run buggies. We must remember to recharge the battery before entering New Orleans I don’t suppose you want to be stranded there once the sun goes down…

  1241. Paul, just so the world knows we’re serious about this road trip, should we have DAH stand in the prow of the wheelbarrow like George Washington crossing the Delaware?

  1242. Thodoris; Thank you for the input. Sorry about the delay in replying to you, but I only just now noticed the comment. I’ve “thought” B&W over the last two shoots and yes; it is falling into place much better. So I think it’s the way to go. Cheers for the help! :-)

  1243. x100 update.

    I’ve now spent a second week with the camera. After much initial sparring and getting to know each other, I’m in love this little camera.
    I’m busy doing a lot of shooting for my anuual tribute to mothers and daughters portrait exhibition. This past weekend I took the fuji along on several outdoor mother and daughter sessions just for fun. My regular kit for outdoor sessions is a Canon 5d11 and an 85mm lens, which I had along too.
    I ended up using the fuji more that I expected to, and loved the ability shoot in very low light, and the wide dynamic range gave me a very different rendering than the canon.

    I’ve posted a couple portrait shots on my fuji gallery. They are the last two. Like most of the other shots on the gallery, I’ve downloaded them full size. If you would like to change viewing size, click “original” underneath the photo. http://www.pbase.com/glafleur/image/134020597
    cheers

  1244. Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros reported killed in Misrata when covering the front line.

    Devastating. praying it is wrong.

    http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/04/tim_hetherington_restrepo.html

    Startling news is coming out of Libya that documentarian Tim Hetherington — who co-directed the Oscar-nominated documentary Restrepo with Sebastian Junger — was killed in Misrata while chronicling the fight between Muammar Gaddafi’s forces and Libyan rebels. Photographer André Liohn, who is currently in Libya, confirmed the death of Hetherington and Pulitzer Prize–nominated photojournalist Chris Hondros on his Facebook account, adding “when they arrived [at the hospital] no one even had their names. I hope that with this post their families can get notified.” Hetherington (long a contributing photographer for Vanity Fair) had a reputation for fearlessly plunging into dangerous situations for a story, as in last year’s Restrepo, where he and Junger were embedded with troops fighting in Afghanistan. [André Liohn/Facebook via Thompson on Hollywood/Indiewire]

  1245. HOPE!!!BBC Tweet

    CORRECTION: One western journalist has been killed and three injured in a mortar attack in the city of #Misrata #Libya

  1246. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/world/africa/21photographers.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes

    From NYT

    Tim Hetherington, the Oscar-nominated film director and conflict photographer who produced the film “Restrepo,” was killed in the besieged city of Misurata on Wednesday, and three photographers working beside him were wounded.

    Mr. Hondros, an American working for the Getty photo agency, suffered a severe brain injury and was in extremely critical condition, according to a colleague who was with at the triage center. He had been revived and was clinging to life in the evening, the colleague said.

    Mr. Martin, a British citizen working for the Panos photo agency, had shrapnel wounds and was undergoing vascular surgery Wednesday night, according to the same account. He was in surgery Wednesday night.

    The fourth photographer, Michael Christopher Brown, suffered shrapnel injuries but his life was not in danger.

  1247. ‘Diary’ is a highly personal and experimental film that expresses the subjective experience of my work, and was made as an attempt to locate myself after ten years of reporting. It’s a kaleidoscope of images that link our western reality to the seemingly distant worlds we see in the media. – Camera + Directed by Tim Hetherington

  1248. I was going to delay posting this link after reading Erica’s post above but,what the hell.
    Might not be as unrelated as it seems.

    Live what you love doing.

  1249. I Think Continually Of Those Who Were Truly Great

    I think continually of those who were truly great.
    Who, from the womb, remembered the soul’s history
    Through corridors of light where the hours are suns
    Endless and singing. Whose lovely ambition
    Was that their lips, still touched with fire,
    Should tell of the Spirit clothed from head to foot in song.
    And who hoarded from the Spring branches
    The desires falling across their bodies like blossoms.

    What is precious is never to forget
    The essential delight of the blood drawn from ageless springs
    Breaking through rocks in worlds before our earth.
    Never to deny its pleasure in the morning simple light
    Nor its grave evening demand for love.
    Never to allow gradually the traffic to smother
    With noise and fog the flowering of the spirit.

    Near the snow, near the sun, in the highest fields
    See how these names are fŠted by the waving grass
    And by the streamers of white cloud
    And whispers of wind in the listening sky.
    The names of those who in their lives fought for life
    Who wore at their hearts the fire’s center.
    Born of the sun they traveled a short while towards the sun,
    And left the vivid air signed with their honor.
    –Stephen Spender

  1250. John, you are right, way too many little dots are needed for all the lives lost. But Patricia is right as well, Tim was my friend and was friends with others here, and was hands down one of the most beautiful people I have ever had the chance to know.

  1251. What a shame. Great talent lost. But at least he died doing what he was best at, and I’m sure he and his family knew the risks involved (considerable). Doesn’t make the pain any less…

  1252. It has been confirmed a few minutes ago that Chris has passed away too.

    On Lens: The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C. reports that Chris Hondros, a Getty Images photojournalist, died Wednesday while chronicling the fighting in Libya. http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/romenesko/128899/photojournalist-chris-hondros-confirmed-dead-in-libyan-mortar-attack/

    Poynter: The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C. reports that Chris Hondros, a Getty Images photojournalist, died Wednesday while chronicling the fighting in Libya. http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/romenesko/128899/photojournalist-chris-hondros-confirmed-dead-in-libyan-mortar-attack/

  1253. Has Chris Hondros’ death yet been confirmed anywhere?

    What a devastating event for journalism. Two of the best. Two of the most dedicated. Two of the good guys. Gone.

    My thoughts are with those who held them dear.

    Was so enthralled this evening as my wife and I pulled our two kids out of their holiday beds and headed outside to watch the International Space Station fly by. The boys were amazed. We all were. Felt great watching humankind at its very best. Then shortly afterwards hearing of the death of two brilliant and determined photojournalists in a hideous war brought it home to me just how monstrous we actually are.

    Fuck!

  1254. Oh damn…
    I thought he would pull through. Man, what a fuckedup day it is! I just wanna wake up.
    I didn’t know Chris (only the photographer through his work), I knew Tim and, as all of you who knew them, my thoughts are with their family & friends, here in NYC and abroad.

    Both of them will be, of course, greatly missed, as friends, colleagues, inspirators, and great artists & photographers!

  1255. Such a sad situation with the death of the photographers. Leaving the comfort of home to reside in a war zone, with no weapons other than your wits, to do what can be considered a public service. So sad. I didn’t know any of these photographers, but can’t help but to feel a bit of loss as well.

    To all you photographers that knowingly put yourself in harm’s way, I salute you. Be safe. Live to tell another story.

  1256. a civilian-mass audience

    “People so seldom say I love you And then it’s either too late or love goes. So when I tell you I love you, It doesn’t mean I know you’ll never go, Only that I wish you didn’t have to.”

    WE love YOU…!!!

  1257. More pointless loss of life shooting pointless photos of another pointless war. Did we really need more photos of the war in Libya? 10,000 photos or 10 million photos, what difference would they make?

    Very, very sad to lose these guys.

  1258. a civilian-mass audience

    I am all over the place…BUT now my BURNIANS…now is when I need to see your spirit…
    this is the time…when civilians need you…

    Love,Peace and photography!

  1259. flashback….
    mid june…in the kibbutz…Mike C Brown, just arrived from the grocery store from his second trip…i asked him for cigarettes and beer and run back to the store coz he forgot the cigs..Tim Hetherington at “my” door looking for David…(David was in a meeting at magnum with Anton if i remember well)…Mike C B just came back with the cigs..it was a nice day, back then….

  1260. … then we rushed on the roof coz Kerry and Hilary were waiting…Now im very worried about Michael C B too, coz that was his second close call within a month….:(

  1261. my very last talk with Tim was right before the RESTREPO Oscar nomination …im still in denial…i still hope he is alive somewhere and its all a bad joke…:(((((((((((… im pissed

  1262. I’d like to express my condolences to the friends and families of the deceased. They were good people doing great work. It’s a tragedy their ends came way too soon.

  1263. just back from one of Tim’s favourite hang out. Head spinning, drank beers with my girl, in memoriam, toasted to lives cut short, to friendship, hugging friends, tears. Tim touched heaps of people, him or his work, lived his life with dedication, reporting, telling stories inspired, a poet creating, showing without fears, close to the heart, mind in sight, real, with warmth and meaning – like we should.

    Erica, right back at you (soon for real I hope).
    Hug from Violette.

  1264. First, concering those countless dots…. thanks to the work of those we now mourn, we got to know something about at least a few of those countless dots and that is worth something.

    Much is said about the ultimate sacrifice of soldiers, much should also be said about the ultimate sacrifice of these journalists. Since I learned of this this morning, I have been wondering if it is worth it, to lay down your life to take a photograph. In the case of these two gentlemen, given the value of what they have done, in terms of world knowledge, both for the moment and history, I believe it is.

    Was it worth it to the individual? Only they can answer but they full well knew the risks and had to understand that sooner or later the odds would turn against them and still they did it. I look at that at their answer.

    What they did was in no way pointless.

  1265. Bill…
    Love ya… I second all u said ..
    Of course local ( I mean American ) politician/celebrities want to find a “safe” asylum for this GADDAFI fucker .. and that messes me up..
    Especially after our buddy Tim died in such a horrible way..
    GADDAFI , YOU ARE A DOUCHE BAG!

  1266. i only knew tim through email contact – missed him by 10 mins when he came down to harveys apartment to meet me last summer.. the next plans was that he would visit when next in norway..

    just horrible.. really awful.. he struck me as astonishingly grounded and warm man.. time for everyone, between his need for passing on the story.

    it seems that this past year or two more journalists are being killed than ever.. targeted.. from what i read, the 4 of them were retreating when attacked..

    :o/

  1267. from what i read, the 4 of them were retreating when attacked..
    ————————————–
    yes David… thats how Gaddafi and his CIA/french “friends” operate…
    smile at your face and then…..stub u from the back

  1268. a civilian-mass audience

    “I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war.”
    Albert Einstein

    “The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.”
    Thucydides (Ancient Greek historians and author, 460-404bc)

    We Love You!!!

  1269. marcin luczkowski

    DAVID,

    You will be in Amsterdam soon, isn’t it?
    I regret I can’t go to say quick hello.
    Amsterdam is the best place for meeting for photographers :) and not so far for me.
    How long you’ll be there?

    well, maybe next time.

  1270. MARCIN…

    yes, i will be in Amsterdam soon…my talk at World Press Awards is on May 6th i think…i will be there the day before and the day after, but then quickly on to Toronto….too bad you cannot make it most likely …i can have guests..Eva, Anton, and Thomas Bregulia have special guest passes and i can get one for you if you can make it at the last minute…let me know…

    cheers, david

  1271. a civilian-mass audience

    JOHNYG…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What the Fack..I love it…it’s the berries…

  1272. a civilian-mass audience

    VIVEK …BURN CREW is working hard…
    it’s because of my cursing…:))))))))

  1273. VIVEK

    we get so many complaints on how the comment section works…we decided having separate pages really really does not work..lots of extra clicks and when the story goes into the archive, it is impossible to get back to the first comment given..now with over 2000 comments here on one page, i was able to scroll from top to bottom in two seconds…no more “older comments”, “newer comments”….there might be a better way , but we do not know what it is…the reality is that we receive so many more comments than many blogs, that one way or another it does get cumbersome….your thoughts?

    cheers, david

  1274. Aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… 2thousand comments and more, now THAT explains why my phone kept crashing!!

  1275. DAH ……… my blackberry went bonkers loading the page …….. and loading the page takes time if using a slower connection ………..bt i see what u mean ….. i read this

    The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn to say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars
    jack kerouac

    which i had totally missed ………….. will take couple of days to gt used to …….. will update if i can think of some alternative ………..cheers

  1276. David,

    Just a thought regarding the comments structure… I think by doing it the way it is now, with all comments on one page, you’re essentially breaking the experience for anybody trying to access Burn on a mobile device (particularly on a slow connection). See vivek’s experience.

    How about continuing to do, say, 100 comments per page, but adding a little drop-down box to navigate the various comments pages? For example, on this post with 2000 comments, the drop down would let you choose from 20 pages (each page having 100 comments). That way, rather than clicking “Older Comments” 10 times to get to comment #1000, you’d just click the drop-down and choose comments page #10.

    Just a thought.

  1277. Yeah, ok… wow.
    I thought my laptop wasn’t working with the WiFi very well because It seemed to be taking forever to load everything. I see whats happening now.
    This is nice so everything can be seen, but, I think it might be construed as being disorganized and confusing. I think What could work the best would be something akin to how Google deals with the hits they get in a search, the viewer is able to adjust the number of hits per page in their admin profiles, and at the top and bottom (google used oooooo’s) as links to the next groups. If someone wanted to jump deeper without going 1, 2, 3, 4…

    David – I’m sending you and Anton a Facebook message with an idea for this…

    On another note – I received a Hug from Frankfurt this morning when Burn 01 was delivered! Wow that’s a thick book!

  1278. CARSTEN ……. tht could work ……….. yes default 50 comments per page and a drop box tht alllows to view 50 , 100 , 500 or all comments per page ……..

  1279. a civilian-mass audience

    BURN CREW…ANTON,HAIK,ANNA-MARIE…give me more names…

    THANK YOU …THANK YOU…it’s working…
    you are one photo…you are 1000 words!!!

    47 pages…oime…MR.HARVEY…keep shooting…the BURN is BURNING…

    LOVEEEEEEEE…and credit where credit is due …

  1280. ALL

    very basic, google style… should work smoothly for everyone…

    and just one click to get to the last comment

    cheers,
    a

  1281. a civilian-mass audience

    I would like to personnally THANK the genius behind…the 1234…99..!!!

    and as SAM says …MASSIVE thank you…to ALL!!!

    Now,I am calling KATIE FONSECA,MY GRACIE…LASSAL,DAVIDG,REIMAR,JOE,ABELE,HERVE,MATT…ok,I will be back…
    SIDNEY,OURPATRICIA…thank you

    BOBBY…I am preparing a poem for a special day…I need help.My e-mail doesn’t work…hmmm.
    therefore I have only BURN for now:)

  1282. a civilian-mass audience

    BOBBY
    it’s about a Birthday poem …some birthday’s are coming along…
    niahhh…BS…
    BS…I have to admit…I just wanted to see BOB BLACK back on BURN…
    my apologies…concealed intentions…

    running like you

  1283. a civilian-mass audience

    OUR PATRICIA…

    you know,I can’t express myself ESL…BUT we are a circle of friends (a MASSIVE circle)…
    and when someone goes away…it feels weird…
    when BURN will be out of fire…then we can all go
    until this time comes…
    let’s partyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy together!

    P.S…by the way OURPATRICIA …I have never signed your permission slip …:)))))))))))))
    all my love

  1284. There was some photography forum I once looked around which allowed you to read all the comments of one member… of course totally out of context but it sort of helped searching for fact when you only could recall who was it who posted it….

    BTW does anybody recall where on Holiday Lights (I think) DAH asked who came first Antoine D’agata or Michael Ankermann…for the life of me I can’t find the discussion that followed from the question.

  1285. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…righteous …maybe

    david alan harvey
    February 17, 2011 at 6:56 pm
    katia..
    oh yes i am a big Anders Petersen fan…and yes those two came from him….but Ackerman was teacher of d’Agata …and i think there are bad vibes between the two ….Anders of course does not have a bad vibe bone in his body…i spent a week with him when we were teaching concurrently and he is just a joy…actually i have taught with Ackerman and d’Agata as well…biggest ego Ackerman, second biggest ego d’Agata but hardly any and no ego at all Petersen…figures right?
    cheers, david

  1286. Paul… you might also look for ‘Ich Dich lieben, Du mich auch?’, ‘From Back Home’ and ‘Frenchkiss’ by Petersen!

  1287. ANTON,

    This is a great solution. Just one comment: can you default it to show the LATEST comments page? Right now when you click on a post, you get to the first comments page. I’d guess that most people will be more interested to read the latest comments rather than the first comments.

  1288. David,
    any chance to get on your guest list in Amsterdam? Just came across your message to Marcin.
    Had orignaly planned to be there; but after a negative answer from the World Press People about
    admission to your talk had given up on it. –

    Gerhard

  1289. Hey Carsten,

    Actually, displaying the first comment page first is the preferred behaviour – mainly because, if you see the story for the first time, and start reading the comments, things make much more sense

    it is more logical to ask the “involved visitors” (aka the ones who are writing comments) to take that *one extra click* to the last comment page once, rather than by default force any regular visitor (first time reader for that story) to not only “retro” click to start reading the first comment, but also first making him see a comment page that only makes sense to the group of active commenters at that particular moment

    i say this mainly because we have to keep in mind that the “regular reader visitors” on burn outnumber us, the “involved commenter visitors” by about 100:1…

    cheers, a

  1290. Anton:)
    Very true! It’s not all about us (the “regulars”) but mainly about the mass audience..
    The “true force”.. We have to make it “easy” for the real burn readers.. Those loyal Readers that are the heart and soul of Burn!
    Big hug

  1291. a civilian-mass audience

    To the MASS AUDIENCE…to the Silent BURN readers…to the heart and soul of BURN(copy and paste PANOS)
    to those who are loving and supporting your Vision…
    THANK you and We Love YOU !!!

    To the silent DONORS …THANK you and We Love YOU !!!

    To ALL …Upstairs THANK you and We Love YOU !!!

    To THE CIVILIANS THANK you and You Love US!!!

    To the BURN CREW…THANK you and We Love YOU !!!

    To the PHOTOPHILOSOPHERS THANK you and We Love YOU !!!

    To MR.HARVEY and his Family THANK you and We Love YOU !!!

    P.S…I BURNed the souvlakia…therefore I am bringing only ouzo and olives. VIVA !!!

  1292. a civilian-mass audience

    VIVA ALEJANDRO…we are proud…

    ALEJANDRO from ALEXANDROS…you are Greek too!

    What not to Love !!!

  1293. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…this kind of grant…suits me to a T….:))))))))))))))))))

    Thank you !

  1294. Civi…

    Thanks for finding the Antoine D’Agata and Ackerman question!!
    :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))!!

  1295. a civilian-mass audience

    MY BURNIANS…ATTENTION…I know you know by now…

    BUT we,civilians don’t need any photos of tornados,storms,vans in the sea…
    PLEASE, be safe, find a shelter…in the affected areas…
    Alabama, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia.

    something Massive is in your area…therefore please focus…

    PAUL…damnit …you laugh a lot :)))))))))))))))

  1296. 1954 was not a good year for France. The war in Vietnam ended with the humiliating defeat at Dien Bien Phu, the Algerian War of Independence began, and the government of Pierre Mendes-France fell, although I should point out that the governments of the Fourth Republic fell with such astonishing rapidity that falling was their salient characteristic. French governments became so good at falling that three of them signed contracts with Ringling Bros. to take the falling act on the road with Neil Cassady at the wheel. In addition to these catastrophes, or perhaps because of them, Victor Biaka’bodo, a representative of the Cote d’Ivoire to the French National Assembly, went home to his district to do some electioneering and was promptly hit over the head and eaten by his constituents. The details of this astounding success of the French mission civilatrice are in the first edition of that altogether trustworthy tome, The People’s Almanac, a great book that no one appreciates anymore. Unfortunate but true. I wonder why Mr. Wallechinsky never put out a second edition.

    However, it is not our intention to bring up this moment of Franco-African gastropolitical history to elicit a cheap chuckle, although that would be almost too easy to do, but rather to ask why so few constituents choose to eat their elected representatives. Politicians are a cheap and readily available source of protein and several B-complex vitamins, but are not, according to the United States Department of Agriculture, a significant source of iron or dietary fiber. However, taking a lobbyist every day along with a glass of buttermilk and a handful of casino chips will compensate for this nutritional shortcoming, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

    Politicians taste best in dishes where the chef can stuff them with meat and vegetables; they make excellent ravioli or pirogi. The cook must soak the politician first in hot water and remove the ego, which takes up a good 90% of the average sized politician and also serves as a vestigial spine, and then stuff them quickly before their lawyers catch wind of what you’re up to. Once stuffed, a politician easily becomes a statesman and then leftovers, which often last from Thanksgiving to Presidents Day. A word of warning, however: many American politicians are not safe to eat, given their genetic modification and very high levels of preservatives in the form of hair spray and campaign contributions. Still, if you want to take the chance, Bon appetit!

    You know you’re bored when you dig up stuff you wrote eight years ago. Such is life, I guess.

  1297. REVOK IN JAIL?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ANOTHER STREET ARTIST (GRAFFITI) IN JAIL:

    The trumped up charges against Revok have reeked of suspicion ever since his arrest. From nabbing Revok in the first place for a parole violation and not a new crime, to the exorbitant $320,000 bail, to be sentenced to half a year in jail a day after the arrest, the whole thing seemed like there was something bigger going on.

    The LAPD were clearly looking for someone to make an example of doing graffiti outside MOCA. But when they hadn’t made an arrest on the streets after the first week, they wanted a high profile name to take down. There was probably a short list of high profile arrests, so short, there was probably only one name on it–Revok.

  1298. REAL REASON WHY “REVOK” IS IN JAIL…

    … the real reason that the LAPD went after Revok so viciously and in such an aggressive manner is because Revok has fought back against police brutality by posting stories of police abuse on his website, like this one describing how the cop (pictured above) had eventually been fired for raping a woman while on duty, but no charges have been pressed against him. And the woman was further abused by the system. After she had ‘called 911 for help, when police arrived she was victimized repeatedly – sexually assaulted, mistreated by backup officers and then jailed on trumped-up charges when she refused to remain silent’…

  1299. Since the mainstream media rarely touches real stories like this anymore and doesn’t do investigative journalism, Revok dared to give the story some light. And because of his doing this, all indications seem to suggest that his arrest was not because of the violation, it was personal.

    And now Revok has been abused by the system.

    And now Revok has been abused by the system.

    And now Revok has been abused by the system.

    LAPD, NYPD (youre a mother$$$$$g snitch huh..:(

  1300. Regardless of how people feel about graffiti or vandalism, everyone should be alarmed about the way that this case has been handled, and the way in which Revok’s rights to due process have been trampled. Being a graffiti writer, society might label Revok as a ‘criminal’, but it is clear from the way that this has been handled that the real bad guys are the ones who put him behind bars.

    You can still show your support for Revok by helping raise money for his legal defense fund over on 1xRUN.

    http://melroseandfairfax.blogspot.com/2011/04/real-reason-revok-was-arrested.html?spref=fb

    show your support for Revok

    show your support for Revok

    show your support for Revok

    show your support for Revok

    show your support for Revok

    please!

  1301. Panos,
    Sounds, on the surface, like the guy is being targeted but, at the core and artistic
    merits aside, I have no problem with treating graffiti artists who use public and private property
    as their canvas as criminals. Sorry.

  1302. mtomalty…

    You really have some jems in that portfolio of landscape images of yours.
    Love spiderweb meadow, Bryce Canyon overview, Mt Robinson and Ice fishing…that Queen image is a classic, I see you’ve been taking photos for a long time :))

  1303. Watching the news over here.. tornadoes over tornadoes.. how and where do you hide from them? :(

  1304. Thx Paul,

    Yup. Been at it for over 30 years now and have had a pretty good run despite myself.

    Shooting concerts in the good ol’ days was a breeze and a challenge at the same time.
    Used to be able to buy a scalped front row floor ticket and shoot the whole show.
    Downside was shooting with crappy old Kodak tungsten 160 film pushed 2-3 stops with f4.0 lenses :>))

  1305. mtomalty…

    Are your more “classic Velvia style” landscape images more popular with your clients than those images I pointed out which are fresher and sort of can’t be categorized in anyway except they seem to have your signature?

  1306. Watching the news over here.. tornadoes over tornadoes.. how and where do you hide from them?

    You hide from them by going to your basement or to a windowless room in your house or into your closet and then hope that you are not directly in the tornado’s path. The other way of hiding from them is to live in a state outside of Tornado Alley where tornadoes do not occur frequently. I have taken the latter option, as it is easier than having to rebuild every few years.

  1307. Carsten

    contrary to popular belief, rumor has it that once every blue moon I do make some sense of things :-)

    cheers amigo

  1308. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…tell it like it is…

    TO REVOK and to all…who dare to tell it like it is !!!

    Goodnight from beautiful,broken grecolandia…

  1309. And now Revok has been abused by the system that he abused

    And now Revok has been abused by the system that he abused

    And now Revok has been abused by the system that he abused

  1310. Imants, Revok told the truth and got targeted….in the meantime the rapist cops are free and still
    “working”…
    how did he “abuse” the system?
    Probably same way Gandhi did inmho

  1311. dare to tell it like it is !!!
    ——————————
    yes thats a serious crime here? who killed 2pac? LAPD
    who killed Biggie Smalls? LAPD?
    who was working for Suge Knight? LAPD
    who beat the hell out of Rodney King? LAPD
    and on and on and on,………………………….
    the list is slightly bigger than our yellow pages

  1312. Graffiti illegal, but the big street/freeway signs “THINK GOD” sponsored by the Church is legal..:(
    welcome to america my good brother…come over..see for yourself..then feel free to judge who is the real ABUSER and who is not….

  1313. Panos sure he got targeted and that is wrong but he does abuse the law as well. I am not sure if I would be impressed with having my place tagged by him because he wants to or is taking some sort of revenge. Maybe you too have no respect for others property ……….

  1314. Panos I don’t keep up with American local issues…… just as you don’t know the real implications of the bottom of the Harbour Scheme and its affects on the small businesses in Flemington

  1315. Imants:)…damn u just reminded me the conversation i had with my father 30 years ago…
    btw, Graffiti artists do not operate like u described…
    you are CONFUSING graffiti artists with GANG MEMBERS who mark their territories..
    Again ALL, watch the DOCUMENTARY “EXIT THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP” and get educated (no sarcasm here whatsoever)..
    please watch the movie and then we talk… (im not gonna repeat the Banksy story again…find it out please)
    big hug
    u be the judges…
    VERDICT: CRUCIFICTION

  1316. OK then, i apologize for bothering everyone with “local issues”…who cares if a kid goes to jail for doing street art…Lets all go back to Libya now:(

  1317. Panos I know a lot more about the process that you thing considering I do have a heap of students that are involved in the activities as well as its documentation. Right now I am part of a group preparing a paper on popular culture and street art and it’s role in our society and indiscriminate tagging as an artform. Yes there is a fine line between wanton vandalism and graffiti and it is contentious issue with little resolve.

  1318. Panos I am quite familiar with Bansky and his forerunner blek le rat as well the rise of graffiti as art and graffiti as vandalism since the 80’s when I was tagging ……….. I drifted from tags to stencils due to blek. Even vandalised my own public commissioned sculpture.

  1319. Panos no problems ……… mixing graffiti and bad cops makes no sense and clouds the issues as both can play of one another.
    Ps In my final year at art school i produced as series of artwork that the lecturers and the system wanted, they were pleased as punch and sang high praises ………. until…….. the night before final critique I systematically destroyed the work got the cleaner to clean up and place them in the garbage bin and next morning I presented lecturers with the garbage bin …….. needless to say the fathers to be got rid of me in a hurry

  1320. Paul,
    In broad strokes, I derive 95% of my income from stock photography licensing either through
    my principal agency,Masterfile,and to a much lesser degree my secondary agency, Aurora.
    For the more traditional buyers that these agencies attract I have a much better sales rate with
    the more obvious,’classic’ styled images.
    Agency info suggests clients want to be entertained with fresher,more contemporary work but,in huge
    numbers, default to safer imagery when their money is on the table.
    With that said, over the years the number of landscape sales are massively out-performed by
    the formulaic lifestyle images as are shown in the LIFEstyled gallery-probably by a factor
    of 200 to 1 .

    I’m slowly getting a print sale business up and running but is a long ways away from having
    enough experience to draw conclusions.
    In one small gallery,in Montreal where I live, that sells some of my prints I have had,far and
    away, the most success with the simple botanical images of individual leaves.
    They are very well received by interior designers and usually a sale will involve multiple
    prints of different leaves.
    Landscape images don’t seem to be very popular I’m my local market for some reason while some
    of the nostalgic,sepia-looking images have had some modest success.

    Mark

  1321. Sometimes.. ok, sometimes often.. I have a hard time understanding humankind.. seems that more than two milliard people around the world are glued to the TV to watch a wedding.. at least that’s what news over here said… don’t really get it.. but then, don’t get class distinction either…

  1322. a civilian-mass audience

    I am up in the mountains…birds,trees and my heartbeat…
    FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMM !!!

    P.S HERVE…I am waiting too…:)))

    I will be back…to be connected…

  1323. ”Painting is freedom. If you jump you may fall on the other side of the rope. But if you not prepared to run the risk of breaking your neck what use is it? You don’t jump. You must wake the people up. Revolutionize their way of identifying things. You must create images they won’t accept. You must make them understand they live in a strange world. A world which isn’t calm. A world which isn’t how they believe it is.”
    Picasso.

  1324. a civilian-mass audience

    yeap…the BURNING ANTON…PAPER is HOT !!!

    I don’t know…today as I was checking MATTEO’S pics…I said to myself:
    ” I want to play war “…hmmm…my testosterone levels are kicking in…
    maybe my roasted chicken is not that organic afterall:))))))))))))

  1325. Hi Eva, yes, it’s a word; like line up behind me for the book! I saw your comment on Anton’s site so I know that you will be buying.

    Best,

    Mike.

  1326. Eva, laughing, I noticed that you were ahead of me but I hoped that you hadn’t! The book looks amazing don’t you think? Anton has spent so much time and research to get just the look that he wants. I really like the way he explains the Japanese significance of what he has photographed.

    Mike.

  1327. Such a delicate and tricky concept when someone asks your opinion about their photos. Obviously the best thing is to guide them or i suppose show the works of others which may help that person. But when someone insists they want to know if you like their photos or not it’s so subjective and how easy it is to ruin perhaps an ”emerging voice” which you may not like only because it’s too new to your eyes or you’re just not in tune with that style…but we all at some point have given our yes or no maybe ruining or helping an eye.

  1328. Mike.. having seen the 893 magazine and Burn.01 I was supposing/hoping that Anton would not just make a book, but THE BOOK! An exploration not only of the visual, but the tactile aspect also..

    (you’re supposed to be an Englishman and therefore know all about correct queueing!!! ;) )

    Paul, it won’t be a honest opinion killing an emerging voice, much more the opposite!

  1329. Paul…

    Very interesting comment. Thanks for that.

    I have not always been at my best in offering my opinions. I have had more than one person in no uncertain terms point this out to me. One of which was Bob Black. Correcting ones approach to commenting and opinionating is never easy. It took some time to recognize Bob was more often than not correct in his assessments. But hey, if you can’t admit (even just to yourself) that maybe you haven’t been going about this thing (the expressing of the opinion, not the opinion itself) in the right fashion, not much of a chance to grow is there? Haha. In any case, I’m in agreement with Eva. Always honesty. Expressed as well as you can.

    Cheers.

  1330. Why so much effort to explain how great something will be? odd.
    It will either be great, or it wont….and no amount of hype, or font fondling can alter that.

  1331. a civilian-mass audience

    My PHOTOphilosophers
    Be you…be free…risk everything…
    loose or win who cares…
    the journey is for You and me
    yoho,yoho
    I AM FREEEEEEEEE !!!

  1332. Eva and Michael…
    But an honest assesment/opinion can be awfully wrong…
    Here’s an example…
    If one of my students or any new photographer had asked for my opinion on his/her work about six years ago and had shown me work like Michael Ackermann ”Half life” or Bob Black’s beautiful ”Bones” my assesment would be wrong and bad because I had never seen images like those I didn’t understand this style of photography. And do you know what? I don’t know one single photographer where I live who have ever seen Akermann’s work…My assessment would of been totally honest, but horribly wrong…

  1333. John, Paul, it’s a plug by me on Anton’s behalf. I really do believe that, from what I have seen, Anton’s book is going to be great. He does so much work here on Burn that I believe that he deserves to publicise his work here and if he’s too modest to do so I’ll do it for him. Hope you don’t mind, Anton.

    Mike.

  1334. a civilian-mass audience

    yeap…where are you ANTON…?

    we celebrate today…ANTON’S book is great…I am in the queue too…
    my chickens are working hard…I can do it…

    let’s get the party started…Arriba!!!!!!!!

  1335. Paul.. how do you go about when you bump into new things, whatever they might be.. when you are served a new type of meal for example? Are you sure you would not have seen ‘it’? Since you do now, if you were confronted with the work some years back would you not have recognised something?

    Guess I now go and educate myself about this ‘fondling’ word.. Civi, you back from the mountains?

  1336. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…ἐχω γυρἰσει πἰσω στα κοτὀπουλα μου…:)))

    What not to love !!!

    I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLL…

  1337. You are on a plane with your chicken on your way home??? καλό ταξίδι και καληνύχτα :)

  1338. Mike R…

    There seems to be some confusion :)… My thoughts on critisism has nothing to do with Anton’s book. Just me musing and thinking a little why I was recovering from teaching my 2 kids how to throw a frisbee under a beautiful hot sunny spring afternoon. I think you are doing the right thing by pluging Anton’s work…he is without any doubt just too modest and shy to show his talents round here!! I’ll take a good look once I get back to my laptop and see what Anton’s up to.
    However nothing to do with Snton’s book but I can see and agree with John’s general view. There is a Spanish saying which says…
    ”Aunque la mona se vista de seda mona se queda.”
    Which translated means..”Even though the monkey dresses in silk she will still be a monkey”
    Nodoubt this won’t be Anton’s case I’m sure…

  1339. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…hiii…we got lost in translation too…:)))))))))))))

    I am back home with my chickens…plain greek:)

  1340. So I start a project in my backyard a year ago, doing something a little different, and very different for me but then Friedlander, who grew up near here, comes out with his latest work and … shit, now I’m derivative in style/approach before the fact, and of course not as good, but didn’t know … okay regroup. So then I take a different approach, large format, my backyard stomping grounds cause this is forgotten land and no one looks here … and then I see Eirik Johnson’s Sawdust Mountain for the first time (why didn’t I see this before?!?) … and many of his photos are taken just miles from my house, a few of the same EXACT scenes, standing in the same EXACT place, in large format. Same basic approach and idea, I mean nearly F%$^$# identical, and better. Of course this was done before I did it … but again I didn’t know, derivative before the knowledge. My fault for not being more well “read” I suppose. There is a lesson here. (long string of expletives). Okay, regroup. Two weeks to deadline. Two weeks? Large format of loggers in the moonlight? No, no :))
    Sorry … had to vent to someone, thanks for listening … please resume “normal” programming. I’m okay. Really.

  1341. Thanks Bob:)) Perfect selection, melancholy and hopeful, and I loved the movie and soundtrack.

    I still can’t believe someone has a major body of work on tour with photos of my wasted backyard, and traveled across the country to do it. I literally live in the middle of nowhere, or so I thought. I blame it on Cobain. I’m just going to have to shift and go Ansel on the wasted spaces for irony.

  1342. a civilian-mass audience

    “and there is ONLY ONE Tom hyde!”

    and where is TOM YOUNG…BOBBY…:)))

    back to our regural…BURNING program…

    tick tock…may day,may day!!!

  1343. Just sat for… I don’t know how long, in my back yard, listening to a barred owl. Coolest damn thing! In a tree just above me. Couldn’t see it… only heard it. Long pauses between hoots.

    Earlier, bats. Earlier still, cardinals and red-bellied woodpeckers.

    Life. Exhilarating.

    Peace.

  1344. Tom Hyde… everything, just everything has already been done. So, put away your camera and stop taking pictures.

    .

    .

    Or perhaps not?

    Submit!

  1345. Tom Hyde…
    Please read three times a day preferably after a good meal and a maybe a glass of JD on your front porch watching those bald eagles flying over you…

    “Seeing, yes. Everything. Give me Tom Waits, a good pair of shoes, a rainy day in the city, or a foggy one, an Irish pub midday, and, well, that is heaven on earth. I don’t even care if the pictures are any good .. mostly anyway. It’s the process of altering perception, slicing through the veil of familiarity, to see again for the first time with wonder that which is in front of us but we no longer perceive, or feel. The camera is just a tool to shave time and reality down to its essence and an attempt to render unique one single possibility in an infinite sea of energy. Photography is spinning in place, barefoot in the grass, on a sunny day. Or, at least for me, so should it be.”

    And then…
    BURN

  1346. Once again…
    “Please be horrible!
    Tear down your photography into pieces.
    Don’t bother about glamour,
    destroy the surface,
    take care of your innocence,
    your fantasy is more important than reality…”

    “Remember, your pictures are jumping like rabbits into your
    camera when you understand
    photography is not about photography.”

    Anders Petersen.

  1347. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…
    “Who let the dogs out…woof,woof
    Wait for y’all my dogs, the party is on!!!”

    I copy and paste from AKAKY’S posts in FB…despicable me…:)))

  1348. a civilian-mass audience

    MICHAELK…I think I saw you …up in the mountains,under that big tree…
    “Life. Exhilarating.
    Peace.”

  1349. a civilian-mass audience

    oh…and another BURNING lady…with B-day :michelle frankfurter…”destino ”

    P.S…thank you for the cake…one of a kind!!!

  1350. a civilian-mass audience

    to the MICHELLES …don’t we all love the BURNIAN ladies…!!!

    EVA,VIVA…are you next?:)

  1351. “For me it was always easy, as I’ve never known anything else. I’ve always had this compulsion to ask questions and nothing could ever compete with that. That’s what you need to survive, it doesn’t matter how talented you are–I mean it helps if you at least have a smidgeon of talent–but if you don’t have that need, this job will break you. You’ll never be able to pull through.”
    Anders Petersen.

  1352. Eva; “would you not have recognised something?”

    I think it can be a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Before I “found” Burn I was more familiar (and generally took) photo library style images and really hadn’t been acquainted with more challenging work.

    Kyunghee Lee’s “Island” and Bob’s “Bones” made a huge impression on me. It opened my eyes to an entire new style of photography. I think that learning is sometimes a gradual experience; you see something and it resonates, but it slowly ticks away in the back of the mind for a while. It’s not a blinding flash of light/epiphany experience.

    Lately; Sylvia Plachy’s work has made the most impression on me; but I doubt I would have “got” her work a couple of years ago. Now; I cringe when I look at the work I have in photo libraries, and at the work I see in the libraries themselves. It’s all crisp and clean, beautiful lighting etc; but totally lifeless and soulless…

    I don’t know where my work is going, but I know that all the work I’m viewing is influencing me. And I attribute Burn for most of the influence because it started me off looking at work in an entirely new way.

    Can I shoot like Bob or Kyunghee Lee? Nope! Don’t want to and can’t. But….. it set me off on a new tangent in seeking out what I want out of my work and opened my eyes.

    This is only my experience; my appreciation of disparate types of work has been a gradual transformation.

    Cheers :-)

  1353. ROSS NOLLY

    i am quite curious what photo libraries you were seeing…certainly Sylvia has been around for 35 years or more…she is certainly not “new”….trying to imagine where you were looking prior….honestly just curious what your reference points had been for so long…

    cheers, david

  1354. ALL

    by the way, for everyone to know, when Anton’s book is actually a real book, it will of course be sold and marketed and heralded here…Anton has not worked on a day to day basis with Burn for some time now so that in fact he could indeed be working on Yakuza…Anna Barry has been doing the day to day with me and covering a bit when i was shooting in Rio…when one of us is shooting, the others take over for awhile…this is the way we are set up…you will soonest see the result of Anton’s work…Burn will become a publisher of books and an app producer as well…evolution revolution..stay tuned

    cheers, david

  1355. Burn will become a publisher of books and an app producer as well…evolution revolution.
    ————————————————————————–
    now we’re talking!!!
    ;)

  1356. JOHN GLADDY

    you lost me…what is being heralded as “great” or over hyped? in general, you are quite correct in saying that nothing is great until it sits there and is designated as “great” by a significant audience…and at the same time if nobody had pitched a song or a movie or a great show to me, i might not have gone to find out…so a bit of good old fashioned “go see it” is fairly normal i think…but again, i am not really sure whose “hype” you are referencing in this particular statement

    cheers, david

  1357. David;
    I was mostly shooting nature work then; and all the work I had/have in libraries was “traditional” nature or “travel” imagery. I came along pretty late to the piece (about 3-4 years ago) when it comes to the work I’m attempting to shoot now.

    The libraries (my reference) I’m referring to were “traditional” stock libraries where everything had to be “perfect”. (Now most of the landscape work etc on those sites is the ghastly overcooked HDR effects).

    I was submitting work to NHPA in the UK (now swallowed up by Photoshot) and a NZ library. But most of the “people oriented” work was tourist brochure type stuff.
    I’m not talking about Magnum, Noor and VII etc. As for Sylvia Plachy; she is not “new”, but she was new to me! :-)

    Probably the most challenging work I’d seen was National Geographic. When I first saw Martin Parr’s work (not the BW older work) I didn’t get it at all. Now; 3-4 years later I like the vast majority of it; even bought a book! :-)

    I stuck at nature work for too long. I’d become bored with it and wanted to move onto trying to work in a more documentary style, but was too shy about photographing people. Well that had to change, and hopefully I made the change…

    Shooting new work on a good friends organic farm at the moment (as well as working on the kids project and also the local Indie music scene) :-)

  1358. Sure can David I will try Tuesday am or so………….. book about Assam and stealing souls well on the way

  1359. ROSS…

    yes, this is all interesting…how all of us came into photography and the influences thereof are so different and almost “accidental” in terms of what we were exposed to and where it all went and why and when….many thanks for such an honest straightforward answer…

    cheers, david

  1360. a civilian-mass audience

    Death…brings death…please,embrace safety position…BUT,BUT,
    BUT since we are all optimists…let’s celebrate LIFE!!!
    May the spirits of Peace be with us,All of US!

    REVOLUTION ,EVOLUTION…

    P.S EVA…woof,woof:)))
    ANNA-MARIE B!…don’t we all love our BURNIAN ladies…!!!

  1361. Ross… I think that you learn the things you do when you are ready to learn them (not talking about school or formal learning).. and what you and Paul write confirms this once more ..

    The problem, question, Paul is talking about is probably on a different level: when it is you that teach and others that are learning. I have no idea about what is taught in school or photography courses, art schools etc., but I would think that a teacher has to have an open mind with a subject matter like this.

    It is indeed interesting to know where we come from, and that it is never too late to learn…something that never stops anyway..

  1362. a civilian-mass audience

    Is paper hot or not…to propose or not…?

    what not to love…Viva !!!

  1363. a civilian-mass audience

    Come on BURNIANS…where is the Partyyyyy???

    I hope you are out shooting…cause we are witnessing historical moments…

    Life,Peace and Photography…oups, and LOVE of course:)))

  1364. CIVILIAN…

    as you know i do do do love love love your optimism…however, the combo of killing Khadafi son and bin Laden , does not make me feel safer from terrorist attack..quite the opposite…the martyrs always exact their toll….

    but yes yes it is spring and we must rejoice…we cannot control what we cannot control but we can take valuable time and make sure it has value…

    cheers,peace, david

  1365. a civilian-mass audience

    “One ungrateful man does an injury to all who stand in need of aid”
    Publilius Syrus (Roman author, 1st century B.C.)

    History repeats itself…BUT we are capable to Evolve…!

    Thank you Universe !

  1366. a civilian-mass audience

    MR.HARVEY …

    I have a “Great Optimist teacher”…who inspired me…I don’t like to point fingers…:)))
    BUT credit when credit is due!

    “The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The GREAT teacher inspires.”

    Partyy is on…and ouzo on me…!!!

  1367. a civilian-mass audience

    and as I said before…Don’t forget:

    Death…brings death…please,embrace safety position…

  1368. David, regarding our glorious victories over the weekend… All the victory dances over killing an old man and three children are more disturbing than encouraging. Especially considering the history. Had we accepted the Taliban’s offer to turn Bin Laden over to the Hague soon after 9/11, millions of lives would not have been lost or ruined. In relation to Matteo’s essay, the problem isn’t young men playing war games, it’s old men with political power playing them. Neither group gets hurt, but the latter manage to hurt a helluva lot of other people.

  1369. MW.. that is why, to me, it is more important to understand/get to know the WHY and not the WHAT.. in times like this I feel there are very few players and a lot and a lot of.. how do you call the things you play chess with?..

  1370. Pawns. I don’t think the why is any big mystery. Humans are animals that evolved in similar ways to other animals on this planet. In this case we’re something akin to ants. A certain percentage of our offspring will be soldier ants. Civilization is the only hope, but I suspect that will prove to be only a brief, uneven period in human history that our descendants won’t even be allowed to read about in the history books.

    I sure am optimistic today, eh? Maybe I’d feel better if we bombed another country.

  1371. @ CIVI: I like your quote about teachers! :-)

    @ Laura M. and Italians burnians: If you conmute every caracter of the world ” SILVIO BERLUSCONI” you get
    “L UNICO BOSS VIRILE” (The only virile boss). The funny (or sad) thing is that HE says that in a press conference in Rome…

    Patricio
    PS: I’m italian also… no comments
    PS1: Sun is shinning in southern Europe!

  1372. MW.. pawns, thanks, couldn’t recall..
    What you say about the ‘why’ makes sense, in a general way, but not what I’m looking for.. I don’t think Simon’s doing this because he thinks he’s an ant.. I would like t know the individual ‘why’.. don’t know if that makes sense..

    PATRICIO!!! Please, have mercy!! Ehm… you do know the dirty joke he told at an assembly, consiglio regionale I think it was.. about the man who wanted to have protected an apple by a patent??…and one of the councillors recorded everything with a phone and put it on youtube…

  1373. vis-a-vis the news of the day:

    “Humans are caught – in their lives, in their thoughts, in their hungers and ambitions, in their avarice and cruelty, and in their kindness and generosity too – in a net of good and evil. I think this is the only story we have and that it occurs on all levels of feeling and intelligence. Virtue and vice were warp and woof of our first consciousness, and they will be the fabric of our last, and this despite any changes we may impose on river and mountain, on economy and manners. There is no other story. A man, after he has brushed off the dust and chips of his life, will have only the hard, clean questions: Was it good or was it evil? Have I done well – or ill?…

    …And in our time, when a man dies – if he has had wealth and influence and power and all the vestments that arouse envy, and after the living take stock of the dead man’s property and his eminence and works and monuments – the question is still there: Was his life good or was it evil? – which is another way of putting Croesus’s question. Envies are gone, and the measuring stick is: “Was he loved or was he hated? Is his death felt as a loss or does a kind of joy come from it?”

    I remember clearly the deaths of three men. One was the richest man of the century, who, having clawed his way to wealth through the souls and bodies of men, spent many years trying to buy back the love he had forfeited and by that process performed great service to the world and, perhaps, had much more than balanced the evils of his rise. I was on a ship when he died. The news was posted on the bulletin board, and nearly everyone received the news with pleasure. Several said, “Thank God that son of a bitch is dead.”

    There was a man, smart as Satan, who, lacking some perception of human dignity and knowing all too well every aspect of human weakness and wickedness, used his special knowledge to warp men, to buy men, to bribe and threaten and seduce until he found himself in a position of great power. He clothed his motives in the name of virtue, and I have wondered whether he knew that no gift will ever buy back a man’s love when you have removed his self-love. A bribed man can only hate his briber. When this man died the nation rang with praise and, just beneath, with gladness that he was dead.

    There was a third man, who perhaps made many errors in performance but whose effective life was devoted to making men brave and dignified and good in a time when they were poor and frightened and when ugly forces were loose in the world to utilize those fears. This man was hated by the few. When he died the people burst into tears in the streets and their minds wailed, “What can we do now? How can we go on without him?”

    In uncertainty I am certain that underneath their topmost layers of frailty men want to be good and want to be loved. Indeed, most of their vices are attempted short cuts to love. When a man comes to die, no matter what his talents and influence and genius, if he dies unloved his life must be a failure to him and his dying a cold horror. It seems to me that if you or I must choose between two courses of thought or action, we should remember our dying and try to live that our death brings no pleasure to the world.

    We have only one story. All novels, all poetry, are built on the never-ending contest in ourselves of good and evil. And it occurs to me that evil must constantly respawn, while good, while virtue, is immortal. Vice has always a new fresh young face, while virtue is venerable as nothing else in the world is.”

    John Steinbeck, East of Eden

  1374. JASON…

    you are a good friend and a good man..all the more reason i have to be a bit blunt…and only because you have openly linked here with your work for opinions from readers ….i do not think you are ready to publish a book on this town…at least i cannot imagine any publisher going for it at this stage….you must ask yourself, why would they publish this book and how would they sell this book to get any kind of return on their investment? now this is tough news for you, but the next person who tells you the same thing will most likely be a publisher…smiling i hope, better to hear it from me than them!! or they will tell you they love it, but never publish it..that is the other way some go…remember why people buy books…people either buy photography books or place books or specialty books….yours is none of those…but it can be…

    right now, your idea is maybe lukewarm in the idea category…a set of powerful photographs always makes us think the idea was great, yet this is not it imo…you need to make us feel, breathe, live in this town or with the people…there is almost no interaction among these folks…the people are all “doing something” but you cannot tell whether they like doing it , hate doing it, or what…they are just doing it…pictures are sort of didactic when they need to sing…

    mostly i have no idea what you think about these folks…..and i love the way you are Jason…you personally are so so full of great energy…i want to see that in your pictures amigo….the pictures are often well composed and some of them are classic small town stuff..you have used your tools well…yet, we need an edge..need a point of view…need some snap….not glitter, but a diamond in the mix…

    i know small towns are about nothing going on….but then there is Smith’s Spanish Village where a woman weaving , not unlike your folks working, becomes a visual masterpiece….go look at that essay again…..you will need joy, pain, suffering, celebration, something besides the folks just being there….you say tourists pass through this town on the way to somewhere else..is that the main thing? is that enough reason to try to do a book? i am guessing not…

    i will work with you Jason…but working to take what you show us here to a publisher will not work imo..please please do not lose heart even though i am sure this is bad news for you….let’s have a skype session and see where you can take this..make sense? i think a 20 minute chat will help get you going in a direction that will make you light up…creatively…no, not that kind of light up!! smiling…

    as always, wishing you well..and remembering your fine work and good spirit in new york…let’s bring that back to the forefront my friend…

    cheers, david

  1375. MW..

    regarding:

    mw
    May 2, 2011 at 11:26 am Edit

    David, regarding our glorious victories over the weekend… All the victory dances over killing an old man and three children are more disturbing than encouraging. Especially considering the history. Had we accepted the Taliban’s offer to turn Bin Laden over to the Hague soon after 9/11, millions of lives would not have been lost or ruined. In relation to Matteo’s essay, the problem isn’t young men playing war games, it’s old men with political power playing them. Neither group gets hurt, but the latter manage to hurt a helluva lot of other people.

    my response: mw , you are so so right on…sadly so

    cheers, david

  1376. Touché! Thank you David for your straightforward critique! :) I love that about you.
    I did post it here, not necessarily looking for any discussion – but because I knew this about your email already: “yes, my private email is a bad way to find me…i receive way too much email…my mother cannot reach me through private email…” (david alan harvey on Emerging Photographer Fund 2011 – Call for Entries)

    For me Algoma is merely a vehicle – a way to look at and talk about something else. The town was my stage. These images are a universal look at the lives of people in a small town…

    Skype in the future may work – our schedules clash so much… We’ll talk about it again though!
    I’ll keep at it – but no guarantees that I’ll be any happier or sadder when I’m out shooting.

  1377. Ah, small towns. Basic people coming from nowhere, going nowhere. Chubby young women wearing Capri pants and flip-flops, three or four kids in tow. I certainly think you’ve caught some of that, Jason. Looks like everyday life where I live. ;)

  1378. Jason! Hey, I’ll buy the book in a heartbeat. This is marvelous stuff, I absolutely love it.
    David knows what he is talking about obviously about what will sell and what publishers will stick their neck out for, but I love what you have done here. I’m going to bookmark it.
    In recent years I’m not a huge black and white fan, but this is awesome stuff. You a film shooter Jason?

  1379. Had we accepted the Taliban’s offer to turn Bin Laden over to the Hague soon after 9/11, millions of lives would not have been lost or ruined……..maybe but in those day the Al Qeuda was strong so there was no guarantee that Bin laden’s demise would have destroyed the organisation, maybe it could have strengthened their resolve.. Al Qeuda is in a weakened state and they have been falling out of favour for some time…………… “If only” sometimes ammounts to very little

  1380. a civilian-mass audience

    JASON,
    you know me …I am easy to please,I LOVE EVERYTHING(a good friend told me once)
    hmmm…almost everything BUT
    most of all…I love your way you “listen”
    and your autobiography ! (best for dislexics,only visual)
    Go JASON,go JASON…!!!

    Can I sing now?:)

  1381. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,ok…I am not gonna sing…oime

    I know you are busy…Submitting…
    Do you have a story?
    Do you know how to edit?

    Come on my BURNIANS, …find your voice,focus…UNCLUTTER your vision
    hmmm…easy for me to say:)

  1382. JASON…

    oh yes, i love the small town thoughts….almost all of us , one way or another , identify with small town life…i live in a small town now, grew up in a small town…i just want the IMAGES to be as incisive and strong as possible…so strong that it elevates from pictures of a small town to THE small town essay that rises above just another essay on a small town of which there are hundreds…the photography must be so good that it becomes just as important as the subject itself..this will not be photographic arrogance because there is no subject here at all for book material until you decided to do it…this is the potential beauty of this essay….relax…take a deep breath….do not TRY to do this….go hang out at the barber shop or better the place where the old guys have their morning coffee and talk weather and politics…this is where you will find your essay….

    i am looking forward to talking with you Jason…

    cheers, david

  1383. …go hang out at the barber shop or better the place where the old guys have their morning coffee and talk weather and politics…this is where you will find your essay….

    Well, maybe. Those are certainly the places where thousands (at least) of essays have been found before. Personally, I’d consider figuring out what’s happening with the young people. What are their challenges? Are they sticking around? If not, why not? If so, what are they making of their lives?

    And yea, Al Quaeda never was much of a threat. More of an opportunity for the military-industrial complex and far right demagogues, really.

  1384. Though I do love the farmer’s table at the local diner. If I were home now, I’d post a pic. That would be a good opportunity for some audio as well. “Sure is hot.” “Yep.” “Ain’t rained for weeks.” “Nope.”

  1385. a civilian-mass audience

    Sorry for the interruption

    after MICHELLES…here come the boys…MICHAEL COURVOISIER,ERIC ESPINOSA…
    Happy Birthday…to all of you
    cause here in BURN…we do them all,deaths,b-days,orbits,births,holidays,marriages…
    coupon exchanges,cameras flying all over,prints,sofas…wines

    back to your Vision…

  1386. MW..

    yes, of course..i should have mentioned to Jason connecting with the young as well…however, the tried and true morning coffee shop though still works…maybe not where you actually take pictures , but in establishing yourself in the town…get the so called “establishment” on your side before you go running around with stoned teenagers…and the good ole boys in the coffee shop are the grandfathers and fathers of the kids you will want to access..so, still a good place to go…and you sure as hell do not want to work it the other way around…

    besides, i like a place where the waitress calls me darlin…

    cheers, david

  1387. a civilian-mass audience

    JASON,
    MR.HARVEY,MW and others…are trying to say this:

    Go blend with the civilians..plain English…IMO:)))))))))))
    darlin…hiiii…oime,only in BURN…oime
    you make my day…)))

    Running like BOBBY…damnit,you are funny:)))

  1388. get the so called “establishment” on your side before you go running around with stoned teenagers…

    Yes, I’ve found that to be good advice. I’ll post a pic of the farmer’s table at the local diner later for those city slickers and international big city types who don’t know what we’re talking about.

  1389. Gordon, film it is. Rarley do I use the digital – usually only when time counts or if the photo isn’t very important.

    All – the tried and true – at what point do you call it cliché? Anne Geddes sells many of her calendars and there are plenty of books of lighthouses and farmscapes But that’s just not what interested me. If the images feel cold and distant that’s because that’s how the people are. I’m well aware I don’t have the stereotypical imagery because I saw past all that. Thank you all for the ideas. I’ll remember the next time I shoot. For now, this one is complete.

  1390. Jason, DAH, your conversation reminds me of Nat Geo’s Jim Stanfield’s book Eye of the Beholder. In it he describes how, in his early days at NG ,photo editor Bob Gilka told him (I paraphrase here) that he had “shown him the tent, but not what was in the tent”. I think that DAH is telling Jason to do what many of us find so difficult; to approach our subjects, get to know them and let them get to know us. Hang out at the same places and let people get used to you – even before you take any photos. See! Easy. If – only.

    Another anecdote: this time from Joe McNally, who wrote about his attempts to photograph in the East End of London. He sat in the same pub for weeks without taking a photograph. Eventually someone asked “So what do you do?” and he was off and running.

    Mike.

  1391. Mike R, according to his intro, Jason did all those things. There are places where people simply are cold and distant. And that does seem like a bizarro little town. Apparently all white, middle class, and mirthless. Where is it? New England?

  1392. MW, my guess is that David doesn’t think that Jason has shown him what’s in the tent – yet: but I don’t want put words into his mouth.

  1393. MW – :) Northeast Wisconsin and really not at all that different! Mirthless I love it – great word for it. There’s nothing special about a small town. Nothing extravagant, nothing Hollywood. the impoverished, middle and upper class blend well enough, without seeing the difference at first – Many of the folks I photographed I either worked with, lived with, are related to, or simply knew through time. I do indeed spend a lot of time with my subjects. And in my experiences – people are just not that excited or devastated on a daily basis. I guess that’s why that look sells – the look of the severely distraught and overly jubilant are uncommon in our day to day lives. I photograph what is common and daily. The approach is a bit different. Those above said devices are not regularly used in work by Soth, Eggleston, Robert Adams or Robert Frank and the newly discovered Vivian Maier… The people occupy the space of the frame, they have their place and time – they exist. In Soth’s work, some junk might be shown – but that’s not at all what interests me, and it’s not at all what’s common place. Going back further in time – Werner Bischof, HCB, and others… emotive form and light favors over the extreme points of view of work commonly made today. Perhaps my eyes are too old-fashioned… Work I make is personal rather than exploitative. I’m not saying “Hey look at these poor saps.” I’m saying – “I’m one of these people, and this is my life.”

  1394. All – I feel compelled to say that David and I have a bit of history as I am one of David’s students. As that, David needs to push me. And he does just that and I am very grateful he does. He pushes all of his students, Im no different! I just feel on this particular instance I need to resist a bit for the good of the work. :)

  1395. Jason – I know you didn’t link to the work here for feedback, and I it seems that you are fairly happy with the work, and I like many have had a rough couple of weeks and I am feeling more blunt and less diplomatic than usual, so I will share my thoughts along with the hopes that I am not being so direct that it is offensive. You write in reference to some of the earlier ‘greats’ that the images are “…emotive form and light favors over the extreme points of view of work commonly made today.” And “Perhaps my eyes are too old-fashioned… Work I make is personal rather than exploitative. I’m not saying “Hey look at these poor saps.” I’m saying – “I’m one of these people, and this is my life.” But I as viewer, feel little from many of your images in this series, overall I miss the emotive form (except in the opening cat shot and in the all the shots of waves), the lovely light (except a couple like coop laundry), no identifiable point of view really at all (except feet in water and snowman and the other wave shots, maybe man alone on beach and approaching it in some of the animal images). I agree that they aren’t poor old saps, and you may be one of them, but I know, feel, little from the images beyond the most superficial. Where is the personal? Where is your life? For me the work feels by far at its strongest when we aren’t looking at the people at all, that you start to give me clues about the place and what it FEELS like to be someone who is part of this life when you allow yourself to move beyond the people and into your own heart and memory. Unsolicited advice/opinion…and probably not my most tactful, but I know you care about both the place and photography and I’d like to see that translate to the viewer. take care

  1396. “There’s nothing special about a small town.”

    Ay, and there’s the rub…. So what makes you think a publisher would want to commit $ to a book then?

    Like DAH says your best bet is to forget about doing a book and just keep shooting and edit, edit, edit. Keep in mind there are lots of photographers with blow your mind projects and resumes as long as your arm that can’t get a book published. DAH’s Divided Soul is 20-30 years worth of work. My own book Touch Me I’m Sick is 17 years worth of work, filled with rock stars (including a very famous dead one), and even then it took me over a year to convince the publisher I wanted to do it. Book publishing is notoriously fickle and getting more and more so. If it’s not a populist subject or doesn’t have some sort of twist a conceptaul filter in the parlance) that can be written about by other pubs, or you don’t have a “name” in the pj, commercial, or art world then it will be virtually impossible to entice a publisher, unless the work is absolutely unique and mind blowing and you are a really keen pitchman.

    A good thing to do might be to have a show in the town itself (the library, a cafe, veteran’s hall, etc). This would show your intention to the locals and might go a long way to ingratiating yourself and getting the “tent” door open. You could even have some Blurb books on hand.

    But it’s fun to think in book terms when shooting/editing, but don’t set yourself up with expectations. I’m sure DAH will have some sage advice for you going forward. BTW I really like the NY Jewish holiday work you did but don’t really see any of that “eye” in this project. It may be that you do your best if your scope is narrowed or you are seriously outside your comfort zone. That tends to be the case for most (I know it can be for me).

    Best,

    CP

  1397. David…
    Yes Al Quaeda had turned irrevelant…thats the whole problem shoot Bin Laden revive the enemies desire and once again there will soon be a good excuse to stay in Bagdad and Kabul. For some the war is good business keep them pleased just before elections come up and Whitehouse stays with same party.

  1398. North Carolina is the hub for what Greenpeace calls a “dirty data triangle,” referring to a trio of giant data centers run by Apple, Google and Facebook. North Carolina provides an attractive set of tax incentives, as well as the promise low-cost energy, offered in an initiative by local economic development agencies to battle high unemployment and draw IT companies to the area. But the generation mix in the area is one of the dirtiest in the country, drawing only 4 percent from renewable sources, and 61 percent from coal.

  1399. Hey All –

    David, I, and a lot of others – here is the list as far as I know

    (Nina Berman, Robin Bowman, Samantha Box, David Burnett, Debbie Fleming Caffery, James Whitlow Delano, Jason Eskenazi, Donna Ferrato, Stanley Greenberg, Lori Grinker, David Alan Harvey, Ron Haviv, Todd Heisler, Ed Kashi, Andrew Lichtenstein, Jon Lowenstein, Erica McDonald, Susan Meiselas, John Moore, Kathryn Obermaier, Mark Peterson, Ken Schles, Amy Stein, John Trotter Ken Light, David Arky, Vincent Cianni, John Delanay, Patrick Farrell, Allen Frame, Sean Hemmerle, Jennifer Karady, Suzanne Opton, Claire Rosen and Leif Skoogfors & Phil Toledano)

    have all donated works which will be auctioned thru the Dart Society as part of An Evening to Support Human-Rights Journalism May 12, 25CPW Gallery, 6pm in NYC (you can come in person – please do or if you can’t, you see the work online and bid by proxy at http://dartsociety.com/may-12-fund-raiser/)

  1400. If I don’t find an essay/project apart from my two kids little project I’ll will surely turn crazy. I’m sure there are ideas right in front of my nose but I just seem to be blind. Those I do see just don’t ignite any passion in me.

  1401. PAUL

    i wish i could disagree, but i do not….

    EVA….THOMAS BREGULIA…..ANTON…..DIEGO

    see you all in Amsterdam…no matter what i say, please do not let me smoke any of that Netherlands Neverlands before i give my presentation to World Press…looking forward to seeing all of you…and looking forward to the show being over….

    cheers, david

  1402. MW…JIM

    damn, looks familiar…all around..looks like Missiissippi delta where i just came from or right down the street here in Carolina or Moville, Iowa or Jim you thinkin Texas..it is all of those places…sorry you showed me the cheeseburger though…looks terrific but i am on a low cal low fat low every damn thing diet…

    cheers, david

  1403. I meant to link to DAH’s print up for auction – you can bid by proxy:

    http://dartsociety.com/auctions/david-allen-harvey-soap-sevilla-spain/ It’s the awesome Soap, Sevilla, Spain, 1991

    and mine, from dark light: http://dartsociety.com/auctions/erica-mcdonald-dark-light/

    It’s in support of a good cause: The Dart Society is a global network of journalists who promote best practices in the coverage of tragedy and violence. We are journalists helping journalists, providing direct interpersonal outreach and support to those covering the most difficult stories of our time.

  1404. DAVID

    I just signed up for your High Minds, Low Light workshop at LOOK3. This was the lesson I missed at your and Jim Nachtwey’s essay workshop in 2009. Thanks for giving me another chance!

    As I’d told you earlier, I was looking forward to taking Rebecca and Alex’s 6-day workshop at LOOK3 but my computer crashed last night and I had to use the $$$$ I’d saved for their workshop/hotel to buy a new computer. The best part of this potential disaster was that ALL my photos were safe and sound in external hard drives. Whew!

    See you and other Burnians soon! And have a grand time at the World Press Awards. What a compliment from your peers to be asked to give the keynote address. You’ll do great!

    Patricia

  1405. Cool.. Patricia , see u in Look3..
    Who else is going to honor us with their presence up in C/Ville this time?
    I know Andrew B. will be there.. My dream is to bring Vissaria next time with me..
    She’ll be thrilled to meet Burnians in real world!… Well hopefully I’ll be “rich enough”
    to fly her next year to C/Ville…

  1406. Jim, DAH, MW…
    Great photo (I’m happy that folks still posting photos here, even if it’s a burger)..
    Although this burger is an LA burger… Most def..
    Santa Monica on Broadway.. That Chinese family owned burger joint that only accepts cash.. On broadway and 10th? Or 9th street!
    Thanks MW for posting photos.. Folks, we all talk too much but but few posts photos.. Cmon show/share more photos!!
    Please!?

  1407. PATRICIA…

    see you in Virginia..love the music kids as you know…bring those please…we can meet and take another look

    JOHN GLADDY

    always did like these pictures…this is the work i think of when i think of you..rushing , but can we get the horizontal shot of the speakers corner guy that you like the vertical better but i like the horizontal better? know what i mean? no hurry but i want to finalize this once and for all…. ok rushing airport headed amsterdam……might get to london…hope to see you if so..

    cheers, david

  1408. DAH

    once you’re in town and have your schedule down, touch base so maybe we can get together for a few quick minutes to chat about life and my photo sculptures. i know contact week is busy and the students are your top priority but would love to catch up if you have the time.

    another care package…???…:)

  1409. JASON…

    i am pleased to have you “resist”…you know well that i encourage above all else a strong point of view..so i am not suggesting that i do not see this as a book because of any particular style..and i do not like clones, so please please do your own thing…that is exactly what i would like to see….i would be happy if there was any strong style here and it would not necessarily be referential to any of the photographers you mention…be Jason…but Jason has to be….

    Erica has articulated well exactly the same thing i was trying to say….neither of us see “you” reflected in this work..you talk about it, all sounds good, but we never actually see it…pretty emotionless i would say…not deadpan satire either and i do not think you would go this way anyway….you will get it….but you will have to rethink the way you are working imo…

    ok now i am really late…will get back to you as soon as i get to toronto or colorado…my schedule is a bit crazy, so patience appreciated

    MARK

    yes and yes

    cheers, david

  1410. I have to admit the only flash example images on the “High Mind/Low Light” workshop page I really like are the last two in Oaxaca Mexico and OK also the first medium format Juke Joint, Clarksdale, Mississippi image. I appreciate the Mexican images because the flash isn’t overpowering as in the other examples it subdued… at least to me. Those two last photos suck me in, so mysterious looks like some kind of religious miracle is about to occur…brilliant!
    But oh I wish I could hop over to the USA and attend LOOK3 and the workshop, I’m sure it would be a life-changing experience!!

    “One way to get the most out of life is to look upon it as an adventure.”
    William Feather.

    “Life isn’t about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.”
    George Bernard Shaw.

    “Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent.”
    R. D. Laing.

    “If you stop struggling, then you stop life.”
    Huey Newton.

    “Our life is what our thoughts make it.”
    Marcus Aurelius.

    “To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone.”
    Reba McEntire.

  1411. I’ve not commented on Jason’s work and am not entirely sure what I feel about it. My comments have been, and probably will continue to be, about the comments it’s elicited. I, too, appreciate the resistance. Too often here I’ve seen people abandon projects at the first negative word from Harvey. Not that he’s not right most of the time, but still… And regarding the dictum that photos have to be “personal” and there has to be a lot of comfort and interaction with the subjects, well, maybe that dictum holds true most of the time, but certainly not all of the time. As Jason says, some subjects really are cold and distant. And some artists are too. Cold and distance are realities in this world and should not, actually cannot, be excluded from what’s acceptable as photography.

    I don’t know much or frankly care all that much about photo books. I wish the photos they contain were available digitally so I could enjoy them at a proper size and at my proper leisure. And I fear too many get wrapped up in them, get wrapped up in thoroughly knowing the history of everything that’s ever been done before, and end up being paralyzed when it comes to their own work. Not that a little grounding isn’t necessary and good, but too much can be too much. Regarding most of these book projects I see, I think it most probably wise for the photographer to put some effort into getting published in magazines or newspapers first. Occasionally someone manages to start at the top, but it’s rare.

    Regarding burgers and fries. Mustard and mayo? They really do it that way in Texas, Jim? Belgium and Holland, sure, but they know nothing about frites. I expected better from Tejas. No, good American cheeseburgers come with pickle and onion (and if you think that’s a NY pickle, you’ve obviously never had a NY hamburger) with ketchup and mustard on the side.

  1412. a civilian-mass audience

    MARC…as PAUL said “Your work hits me in the chest with a power I personally haven’t seen very often.”
    I see power,strength,courage…!!!
    we are all here…You have a big family now!!!

  1413. a civilian-mass audience

    MR.HARVEY is on the road again…oime!
    May the spirits of safe travels be with you…with all of you…
    Keep BURNING BURNIANS…I will keep the fire you go out and Shoot:)))

    I need to feed the chickens…I will be back to check your links

  1414. CIVI/PAUL

    thank you. personal work i was hesitant to share, but our brother bob black helped convince me to put it out there before i hang them in our woods where they belong.

  1415. Jason…
    Love your essay, I really like it. Lot’s hard work there, I can tell, a real labour of love. I see the distance people comment on…i have no ideas or suggestions on the work as whole because there is nothing in my portfolio which is up to this standard so I’ll shut up learn and enjoy it l:). Anyway I think when it comes to distance between subject and photographer mixed in with coldness and a touch of disdain Robert Frank seem to usually win hands down and nobody complains… at least lately, well the last 40 years.
    On the subject of following DAH’s advice, i can only say I would listen but only because I have a personal history of never listening to ANYBODY’S advice and always ended up worse off…so I’ve learnt my lesson, in most cases much too late but at least I can’t blame anyone else which most people use as a pathetic excuse…and what the hell! Nobody can take away the fun I’ve had before crashing!

  1416. Vissaria,
    i know u want INN&OUT burger ..i know..i know..but papa food is wayyyyyyy better , trust me..stick with that…burgers not good for you..but i promise u INN&OUT next time in LA!..
    (im baking moussaka by the way, having friends for dinner..wish me luck!)
    Uncle P.
    (love u btw, little one..you’re my favorite human being!)

  1417. on another note..is there anyone here that believed even for a millisecond that FBI would”relax/release/relate”? and stop targeting Arabs like the demons on the movie Exorcist?
    nah…

    read here:
    “FBI to question Iowa factory worker who co-workers say threatened to avenge bin Laden’s death”
    Lamkadmi of Marengo is charged with making a felony threat of terrorism.Felonyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???
    read more:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi_to_question_iowa_factory_worker_who_co_workers_say_threatened_to_avenge_bin_ladens_death/2011/05/04/AFqs0ooF_story.html?wprss=rss_national

  1418. Boubker Lamkadmi (BOWB’-kuh lam-KAD’-mee) later said he was only kidding.
    —————————————
    yeah , go tell this to the FBI…

    btw ALL..do not miss the documentary
    “9/11, Loose Change”
    ..raising many questions about “who” really was behind the attacks… (btw the only witness from building 7 that collapsed from fire !!!????? mysteriously “died” 2 years ago (father of 4 kids) right after he confessed in an interview that he heard numerous explosions from the basement.)

    yes yes sure..a bunch of bearded sheep-owners with box cutters and a super high tech AK-47 brought the buildings down…hmmmm…yeah, sure…
    and then Bush/DICK Cheney looked for bin fucker laden in Iraq (oh no!..he wasnt there? lets kill saddam instead)..
    ohhh our bad..laden is in afghanistan…yeahhh hoorahhh..lets smoke him out the Bush/DICK Cheney duet sang..and there they went and killed thousands and thousands american soldiers (does Bush/DICK Cheney really support the troops????? grinning…yeah right)and also BUSH/DICK C. killed thousands of CIVILIANS …(Watch the movie RESTREPO to see what the soldiers really went through in all this coup/hoax)

    and now???? OSAMA bin fucker LADEN IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!???
    Oh really? but we cant see photos because we are too sensitive???? too gore FOR OUR SUPER SENSITIVE AMERICAN EYES that can have no problem to watch Rambo all day killing one million Vietnamese with a single bullet? why the american contractors that beheaded, videos were not gore enough and were all over the net?why the poor little kids pictures in iraq/afghan hospitals are all over the media and internet? not gore enough? and now that bin fucker laden died ,all of a sudden NO PHOTOS????
    NO VIDEOS???
    why we watched Saddam hanging video posted everywhere?
    And BIN fucker LADEN is buried SUPER QUICKLY, really rushed his funeral…in the SEA?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    hmmm does anyone else “smells” something “rotten” here????????
    all i can say is for the families that lost the beloved ones on the two towers and all the dead/wounded soldiers that came back disabled because the “big money” wanted a “good reason” to numb the public …all i can say is:
    have courage, stay strong, someday i hope, history will reveal the truth and all the details behind and around this dark, sick story…one of the darkest pages of the American History (without diminishing the slavery part of course and the rape of Africa)
    do i have any/all the answers? NO
    do i know for sure how the buildings were trapped and demolished? no
    do i know exactly who did it/ORDERED IT (the demolitions)? no.
    do i buy the DICK C. Bush / FOX “hollywood script story” they presented us? NO
    Do i hope that some day THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT?
    ABSOLUTELY YES

    again the question is: “where is the O, bin Fucker Laden”? is he already buried under the sea ? killed by 5 brave navy seals that couldnt even control their own helicopter and crashed????? no photos?????
    i know what you are thinking: what if he was already dead long time ago? we needed a bogeyman anyway…
    and most important:
    Does it even matter if Bin fucker Laden is dead or alive???????????????????
    hmmmm ,it seems that the elections are on the way pretty soon and someone needs the votes….right Obama???
    laughing,
    ohhhh one last thing:Eventually we found out that our good “friend and ally” PAKISTAN was harboring the Laden fucker..not afghanistan, nor iraq…why dont we attack Pakistan?…retaliate?
    according to CIA , bin laden was living in one million dollar home/MANSION in PAKISTAN!
    Our great friend Pakistan!!!???
    oh yeah right..
    just food for thought!

  1419. BTW…(JUST AS I “SUSPECTED” ABOVE)
    Pakistan Denies Sheltering Osama Bin Laden Amid Growing Suspicion

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/osama-bin-laden-pakistan-denial-_n_856948.html

    WASHINGTON/ABBOTTABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) – Pakistan’s president on Tuesday denied suggestions that his government may have sheltered Osama bin Laden but admitted that his security forces were left out of a U.S. operation to kill the al Qaeda chief.

    The revelation that bin Laden had holed up in a luxury compound in the military garrison town of Abbottabad, possibly for five to six years, prompted many U.S. lawmakers to demand a review of the billions of dollars in aid Washington gives to nuclear-armed Pakistan.

  1420. OBAMA “explanations” about “hiding”/refusing to reveal bin laden photos

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/20115418631882612.html

    Barack Obama, the US president, has told an American television channel that he has decided not to release photos showing the body of Osama Bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader, after he was killed by US commandos.

    Jay Carney, the White House spokesman, said Obama had consulted members of his national security team before making the decision.

    Carney said that in the interview with CBS, Obama had stressed it was important to keep photographic evidence from “floating around as incitement or propaganda tool”.

    “That is not who we are. We don’t trot this stuff out as trophies,” Obama was quoted as saying in the interview for the channel’s “60 Minutes” programme.

    “There is no doubt that we killed Osama bin Laden. You will not see bin Laden walking on this Earth again,” the president said.

    “It is not in our national security interests to allow those images, as has been in the past been the case, to become icons to rally opinion against the United States,” Carney said.

    US officials who have seen the pictures taken of bin Laden’s body have described them as “gruesome”.

    There are fears that if the photos are released they could provoke anger and trigger a backlash against US personnel in the Muslim world.

  1421. The US attorney general has said that killing bin Laden was an act of national self-defence, countering allegations that the raid by US forces on his Pakistani hide-out was illegal

  1422. John G:
    love love thosae images….had perused them once, thanks for bringing me back to them…

    Marc:
    I’m so sorry to hear about your wife…

    I hope to be up there a couple times this month, and if so look forward to having the chance to visit once more..will bein touch with you, brother bob, and Mike….

    Panos/Patricia/DAh/ALL: Yes, signed up for the lighting jam session and demo in C’ville – very excited, looking forward to immersing myself in all that is LOOK3 again….

    I have been not posting but lurking….hopefully will begin to cycle back to the positive again….

    Seems all the light we’ve had ’round here for a while is rainy….
    a.

  1423. a civilian-mass audience

    oime PANOS…your food is too heavy for a civilian to process…hmmm…
    I will go with the burgers,the fries and the lamb
    JOHNG,THODORIS,MW,EMCD,VISSARIA…allof YOU…what not to link!
    …more photos please…

    ANDREWB…may the positive cycle begins again!

    all the eyes towards Amsterdam…we will be there!

    LOOK 3 times and pouff …I LOVE YOU ALLLLLL

    P.S I lost 4 baby chickens…rain or human negligence…I am looking for “my light”…

  1424. DAVID.
    but can we get the horizontal shot of the speakers corner guy that you like the vertical better but i like the horizontal better? know what i mean? no hurry but i want to finalize this once and for all….
    cheers, david “”

    Well, you know we are never going to agree on this amigo. So I have just put them in a batch of new and old stuff you and readers here may not have seen….and let them eat cake :)
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/29165128@N03/sets/72157626526873483/show/

    I have called this slideshow ‘stinkers 101…a set of non pictures’ in honour of our disagrements.

    …but of course I have moved the goalposts :)

    the question was vertical muslim shot, or same guy horizontal behind fencing?….they are both in there somewhere.

  1425. Just finished to read an article and interview about/by MARSHALL McLUHAN in the latest ‘Literaturen’ mag.. anybody can recommand what to read, as there are quite a few books out there?..

  1426. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…you keep buying books…hmmm…

    come on my LADY…Amsterdam is calling…Are YOU ready?:))

  1427. Civi; Stanley Greene’s “Black Passport” arrived in my letterbox today. :-) Repeating to myself “Must stop buying books, must stop buying books, must stop buying books”…

    Mind you; if I’d known then that my laptop was about to crap out I wouldn’t have bought it. Oh well….

  1428. a civilian-mass audience

    JOHNG,
    I don’t know about verical,horizontal…BUT as a civilian…I am going for the “depth”…!!!

  1429. a civilian-mass audience

    ROSSY,

    you are to blame for this dialogue…”is paper hot or not?”…therefore
    I am just Speechless…
    Enjoy, darlin:))))))))))))

  1430. Civi…
    Can you remove my comment from “patrick hogan – solitary half mad” please!:))) As usual I’m not paying enough attention!

  1431. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL,
    Thank you for bringing JG in…:)
    no worries…we can call ADMIN…ANNA-MARIE,ANTON,HAIK…they always help me when I am all over the aisles…

    come on PAUL…what are you drnking ?:))you can share;)

  1432. Civi…

    Thanks!
    And also thanks to ANTON, ANNA-MARIE and HAIK for making Burn such a unique place, there’s always good light round here.

  1433. Civi…

    I’m only drinking water!!

    ‘But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ said Alice. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the cat. ‘We’re all mad here.’
    Lewis Carroll.

  1434. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…I drink water too…
    yellow,white,red…:)))

    “In a mad world, only the mad are sane.”
    Akira Kurosawa

    to the madness and beyond…PARTYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  1435. John G…I remember those…between the landscape-oriented guy through the fence and the vertical guy on the stool…..I think they are both very strong, but I come back repeatedly to the one throguh the fence. I think it’s the way it almost looks like a reflection in a shiny wall….

    finally some sun here! I almost didn’t recognize the view out my window this morning, green and bright!

    good light, all.
    a.

  1436. ATTENTION
    ATTENTION
    ATTENTION

    Ok ALL,
    just had a phone conversation with
    ALEC SOTH
    about the POSTCARDS OF AMERICA (MAGNUM)project.. 5 Magnum photogs will be in San Antonio Texas the 12th of May.. (NEXT WEEK)
    I need to recruit 4 people to assist that day. Alec is in Minneapolis and I’m already here.. So I’m trying to help and co-ordinate all that from here..
    Please CALL ME IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE
    at 310 745 7005 for further instructions!

  1437. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…are you talking about our ALEC, “BIG AL”…?!!

    Go BURNIANS,go BURNIANS…!!!

  1438. yes ALEC SOTH..
    just had a talk…Project (Postcards From America) still on..few changes here and there…

    “During our road trip, we’re going to be making stops in certain town and cities along the way. During these stops, we’d love some help. We’re especially looking for people with cars that can drive us around at the following locations:

    San Antonio
    Del Rio
    El Paso
    Las Cruces
    Tucson
    Las Vegas
    Bakersfield
    Fresno”

    Alec is “responsible” for Fresno…im helping around the San Antonio/texas vicinity …i need few more guys..i will explain details in person..
    Do NOT hesitate to call me 310 745 7005 if u know someone in town that can help…so i can share more info..
    innerspacecowpanos@gmail.com

  1439. mw

    re: that “there has to be a lot of comfort and interaction with the subjects, well, maybe that dictum holds true most of the time, but certainly not all of the time. As Jason says, some subjects really are cold and distant. And some artists are too. Cold and distance are realities in this world and should not, actually cannot, be excluded from what’s acceptable as photography.”

    of course of course – I am not and venture to say DAH is not suggesting that in the least, but if the photo deals with cold and distance then the photo needs to deliver cold and distance, and what I am getting is flat so that I feel nothing from seeing some of the images, am not lead to care about looking at the next image, knowing the people or the place, or the photographer. And I know Jason feels a lot and has musc to share with the viewer about this place and its people, and what it means to him. I’m all for photos about cold and distance, but they still have to communicate with the viewer on some mental/gut/emotional/reactionary level as well as have some form of surface interest/tension/melody/discord what have you.

    Patricia – yeah!

    Gordon, David thank you, I priced it really low and you can bid without being there, so go for it :)

  1440. BREAKIN NEWS

    ALL,
    just had a phone conversation with
    ALEC SOTH
    about the POSTCARDS OF AMERICA (MAGNUM)project.. 5 Magnum photogs will be in San Antonio Texas the 12th of May.. (NEXT WEEK)
    I need to recruit 4 people to assist that day. Alec is in Minneapolis and I’m here in SA.. So I’m trying to help and co-ordinate all that from here..
    Please CALL ME IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE
    at 310 745 7005 for further instructions!
    (we need passionate assistants)

    now we are down to 3 more…each assistant will be “attached” to each Magnum photographer…
    what more can u ask? on the field with a Magnum photog…
    not just a lecture or just talk..
    but a REAL EXPERIENCE on the FIELD with 5 of the MOST TALENTED PHOTOGS ON THIS PLANET (not that they need any credentials, right? )

  1441. a civilian-mass audience

    “what more can u ask? “…ouzo…just a suggestion:)))

    Wake up BURNIANS…field trip…MAGNUM field trip…!

  1442. (update: Paolo Pellegrin “replaces” Chris A. for the first trip-tour)

    In the first of a series of trips around America, five Magnum photographers and one writer will be travelling from San Antonio to Oakland from May 12-26, 2011.

    Follow
    Paolo Pellegrin, Jim Goldberg, Susan Meiselas, Alec Soth, Mikhael Subotzky

    & Ginger Strand on this unique documentary experiment: Postcards From America.

  1443. panos – there is a great bbc documentary dismantling “loose change” which you have to see for balance..
    i forget the name.. google might provide where i fall short.

    OBL..
    just nothing to say really..

    glad that not all americans are chest beating patriots, as that can be counterproductive.
    watch.. fail..

  1444. michael K

    certainly did :o)

    much of the reporting over here focused on the US reaction has concerned itself with the numb-skulls ‘celebrating’, which does no justice to my own friends in america.. nor the memories of 3000 dead new yorkers.. nor 700 000 to 1 million iraqi civilians.. nor the uncounted afghanistan civilians..

    so much damage done, uncountable displaced, dead, maimed.
    and no solemn reflection presented in the media.

  1445. it could be that OBL was killed a long time ago..
    yet to announce as much would not have justified the continuing colonial wars..

    could be that remembering 10 year after 9/11 with people knowing he was unaccounted for would be too painful.

    and after 10 years of war, hundreds of thousands dead, US international relations in tatters and the middle eastern wars becoming more complicated by the month – it could be that they found him just where he would be.. where we all are.

    sitting at home.

  1446. DavidB
    yes Loose Change 9/11…
    i watched it two nights ago..thats how i found out that the main witness “mysteriously died” after his interview, employee (father of 4 kids)that was into building 7 , the one building that never got hit by a plane (CIA building) …
    And thats how i also found out that the 2 towers were under “renovations” for a long period of time..(just cant remember the name of the company that was doing the “renovations”, i think mr.DICK C. had shares on that company too..i’ll check it again tonight..
    the documentary is streaming “free” from Netflix

  1447. it could be that OBL was killed a long time ago..
    yet to announce as much would not have justified the continuing colonial wars..
    ————————————–
    DavidB…yes, unfortunately :(

  1448. NYC BURNIANS,

    Looking for an “inexpensive” yet decent (and not midtown) hotel in NYC. Any suggestions? Will do the Ace otherwise… Also, will be in NYC the weekend of the 21st and 22nd if any one wants to maybe hook up.

    Best,

    Charles

  1449. “Postcards From America
    If you are interested in being an unpaid driver for one of the photographers in San Antonio, please contact Panos Skoulidas: 310-745-7005”

  1450. from CHRISTOPHER ANDERSON

    Hey guys, I am so sorry to have to jump off the bus. I was so looking forward to this trip and getting to spend time with you all. It was going to be a highlight. I feel like I have let you guys down.
    I lost a good friend last week, and I am still reeling from it. Now is the time when a good road trip with friends would really do me some good. But unfortunately, life gets in the way sometimes.
    …now one of you is going to need to show Paolo how to work a camera…
    Here is a parting picture. That’s Tim, balancing a grape on his nose during a New Year’s Eve dinner at my house last year…

  1451. Try again now Gordon..tumblr was down for a while..
    (if u talking about the right above link with Tim’s photo shot by chris Anderson of course)

  1452. a civilian-mass audience

    Early morning…
    sky is clear…
    stomach upset…
    suffering jet lag
    i need coffee

    hmmm…I can’t wait to read the twitter feed…:)))
    reporting from Amsterdam!!!

    BURNIANS from this area…please report ASAP to BURN headquarters…

  1453. a civilian-mass audience

    in addition…we would like to receive reports from:

    PANOS – Magnum field trip
    CHARLES – in NY
    GORDON – Apollo
    THOMAS – LARS
    EVA – you know
    SAMMY – exhibition
    ROSSY – organic project
    JASON – publishers
    PAUL – kids photoshoot
    MV – wanderings
    FRAMERS – music scene
    JOHNG – vertical,horizontal
    DAVIDB – my father
    MICHAELK – to the potomac
    IMANTS – Alexander

    WENDY,LASSAL,SIDNEY,AKAKY,BOBBY,JEFF,ANDREWB,MARC,MARCIN,FROSTFROG,REIMAR,AUDREY,DOMINICK,THE MICHELLES,
    FRANK,KATIA,PRESTON,MIKER,VIVEK,PETE,JIM,LAURA,THODORIS,KATHARINA,LEEE,MR.VINK,…LANCE,KERRY,GINA,OUR PATRICIA,PAUL,CHRIS,KURT,LAURA,TOM,MATT,ROSA,MICHAELCB…KATHLEEEEN FONSECA and MYGRACIE,
    SPACECOWBOYYYYY…
    ASAP…we need updates…and if you don’t see your name please report…cause I will find you anyway:)))

    Goodmorning from sunshine grecolandia…YES, the sun is out!!! I guess Europe was waiting for a Magnum visit afterall:)))))))))

  1454. a civilian-mass audience

    READYYYYY…we said readyyy…from Europe…
    BUT … half BURNIANS are zzzzzzzzz..

  1455. OK IM sooooooooooo excited..
    im not gonna give any names yet nor a location but i have to share this with ALL AND WISH ME GOOD LUCK..otherwise that would be my first felony..ok?

    ok, today i met one of the FEW (out of jail) STREET GRAFFITI ARTISTS , STILL ALIVE,…
    (big thanks to kim that helped in all that meeting..etc)
    After “REVOK” ended up in jail last week i got obsessed with helping him out..well , impossible..devastated..
    but i did few phone calls, blah blah..and i met his friend and protege ( NO NAME YET ,I PROMISED NOT TO REVEAL NAME YET UNTIL HE SAFELY LEAVES TO MEXICO FOR SAFETY REASONS…LAPD awaits..)

    ok…here is the DEAL… i finally met him..He gave me a real GRENADE AS A PRESENT
    (photo here:
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1515156498948&set=a.1487590489815.55816.1835521927&type=1&theater

    and we made a deal…this very SUNDAY NIGHT WE ARE GONNA DO A CRAZY, DANGEROUS INSTALLATION IN THE MOST HISTORIC BUILDING OF THIS TOWN (im not gonna reveal the town either, not yet..ok? i will once he runs to safety)…
    ok , now the little piece of art that we are going to replicate many times and install it is here:
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1515149498773&set=a.1487590489815.55816.1835521927&type=1&theater

    i will try to do a little documentary, video, photos, whatever i can to help…we will have two more artists with us (a decoy and his “assistant”)

    more of his work here:
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1515043816131&set=a.1487590489815.55816.1835521927&type=1&theater

  1456. all i can say for now..is that if you WATCH the movie “EXIT THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP” YOU WILL FIND OUT HIS NAME…most wanted for now..just escaped an arrest after REVOK GOT CAPTURED 4 DAYS AGO..and his bail is $300,000…my new friend has already 2 strikes..if we get caught this sunday night he is in for life..
    i need to protect him so no name yet..but i will do a whole story about him right after i made sure he left to Mexico or Europe to SAFETY..
    wish us luck…for sunday night…and i promise u full coverage…ok?
    if i disappear sunday contact kim on facebook to see how u can help bail us out…
    big hug

  1457. a civilian-mass audience

    ADMIN…do we bail out BURNIANS???
    do we support them… on ” a suicide mission”?

    PANOS,be advised… we are a family operation…living under a BURNING tent…
    therefore you can stay long time in jail…

    PAUL the question…”what are you drinking?”…it was for CRAZYP…sorry mate:)

    I need my coffee

  1458. a civilian-mass audience

    more BIG news…BURN HARVEY and BURN CREW arrived in Amsterdam…

    reports from twitter feed …!!!

  1459. DavidR…yes..im living my “dream” right now…
    i promise to cover the “event” (laughing, event sounds better than crime) but yes we gonna SEND A MESSAGE…messing with the MOST HISTORIC BUILDING not only in town but in the whole united states…:)
    cant sleep tonight…
    i even got me a suit and a tie to look like a wall street guy etc…

  1460. a civilian-mass audience

    AMSTERDAM is reporting…

    LOS ANGELES is reporting…

    NEW YORK …waiting

    GREECE is reporting

    ALASKA…waiting

    LONDON…waiting

    FRANCE…waiting

    AUSTRALIA…waiting

    JAPAN…waiting

    I need more updates…I can wait:)

  1461. a civilian-mass audience

    HERVE,JARED…u need to report too…along with the other BURNIANS:)

  1462. While the boys work hard, I fool around in a Macstore with a very odd keyboard.. Nederlandish?? Beautiful weather.. DAH’s talk soonest.. cool.. cheers..

  1463. Civilian:

    Reporting from Toronto…Magnum Workshops begin Monday, and I’ve organized a Saturday photo excursion with the early arrivees. 3 hours covering the Marijuana March starting at the Legislative Building, followed by two hours at High Park amongst the Japanese Cherry Blossoms. Should satisfy Israel, Croatia, and Korea. Introductory dualities for my tourist friends.

    Looking forward to meeting Mr. David A. Harvey and Bobby B.! Hugs, kisses…and maybe some hetero tongue.

    (Just spreadin’ the love…)

  1464. a civilian-mass audience

    AMSTERDAM (EVA)…is reporting

    CANADA (JEFF) …is reporting

    SPAIN(PAUL)…is reporting

    USA(MICHAELK)…is reporting

    Thank you BURNIANS…you are all rocking!!! we are watching closely…

  1465. a civilian-mass audience

    yes…spread the news and the love…!!!

    EVA…we would love visual…JEFF,see you Monday!

    PAUL…hmmm…got to wait…

  1466. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…after long talk with ADMIN…
    we have no money to cover bail out…you have been warned…

  1467. a civilian-mass audience

    ohhh…before I go…MW has a question…aisle FUND 2011…

    thank you

  1468. Civi – Jason here reporting in.
    I am working in the darkroom all day to clean up negs and reprint some new work.
    Last night I had to hotwire my own car to get it to to a work meeting and home again…
    so much to do – so much summer to do it in.

    DAH – All – I have graduated. I am 98% free to help/assist/photograph on projects. I work at a winery but that can change.

  1469. Erica, MW, Civi, DAH, Jim, Charles, Gordon and Patricia – and anyone else –
    Even though I wasn’t expecting a discussion I thank you all. I am not offended or upset by anyone’s Critique. I’ve already have leathery skin. I know and trust my eyes and my visions for my work. I know I cannot please everyone and that’s perfectly O.K. I do not think anyone said anything inappropriate or incorrect. Each of us would have approached a project like this differently and that’s what makes our work uniquely identifiable from each others.

    You all are wonderful.

  1470. JASON H:

    Don’t know which to congratulate you about more – graduatign or working at a winery! :)

    And much props for that kind of response to the critiques provided… very classy.

    CIVI:
    reporting in from the bluegrass region, here. was sunny this morning, now clioudy and gonna storm – but the weekend – and the Derby – aer almost upon us! Mint Julepos for everyone!!

    good light, all,
    a.

  1471. a civilian-mass audience

    JASON…Congrats…beers on you!

    EMCD…please, report…too,I was looking for you.Congrats and keep going on your projects!

    ANDREWB…my half Greek…baklava for cloudy days:)

    keep reporting…!!! AMSTERDAM is BURNINGGGGGGGGGGGG

  1472. a civilian-mass audience

    GORDON …you are on assignement

    PANOS…I hear silence..hmmm…are you “in or out”?

  1473. …recruited 2 more cool people today for Magnum “Postcards From America” project…we almost done…just need a back up or two…sometimes the “bench” can make all the difference;)

    go LA, go Lakers:)

  1474. a civilian-mass audience

    I have to report…from Facebook area…thank you,THOMAS…MR.HARVEY did it again:)))

    I am opening my best wine…all organic 2001…I am dancing like Zorbas and singing…

  1475. Initial reports from the Obama administration suggested that bin Laden was armed and shooting at U.S. personnel when he was killed. That was subsequently revised and the White House conceded that he was unarmed when he was shot by Navy SEALs.

    Human rights groups, lawyers and academics have suggested, among other things, that this could violate an Executive Order that forbids the U.S. government and its employees from engaging in ‘political assassination’.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/osama-bin-laden-killing-legal_n_858580.html

  1476. Justin Smith

    Panos,
    You are correct! Gonna put that on my “wish list” ;-)

    Andrew B.,
    Please perform an ant-rain dance for the Bluegrass region. A storm last week ripped off a gutter/fascia board and I gotta get it fixed this weekend… Should’ve fixed it last Saturday, but drove my daughter & her friend to the Horse Park for cross-country at the RK3DE – a gorgeous day!

  1477. Justin!!

    Thanks :).
    I haven’t forgotten you! Wrote you an E-mail on Thursday whilst heading home on the bus…battery died out on my mobile before I could send it off…of course it was extremely inspired post, perfect message to loose, but anyway I’ll probably try again tomorrow.:)

  1478. Justin Smith

    Hey Paul,

    No problem! I keep meaning to e-mail you, too, but life keeps getting in the way… Last night, my daughter played on a soccer field, backdropped by two barns, a grain silo, and a lush field – perfect light. I was in a rush as I had to leave work early, and forgot to bring a camera. I heard you in the back of my head, like Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Always bring your camera with you…” :-)

  1479. Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. North & South America and all the ships at sea, let’s go to press:

    This is your humble correspondent Akaky and his companero, Akaky IRL, reporting the news from our happy little burg.

    FLASH: Our spies at Don German’s New [it’s not new, Don German just calls the place new since last year, when he had it painted for the first time in thirty years] Hair Cut & Hand Gun Emporium report that Osama bin Laden and Jimmy Hoffa were in for a trim yesterday. Both criticized Elvis for not coming in to get that mop of hair cut and neither of them think that the birther issue is going away. Said Osama, “Any one of my four wives could have forged that birth certificate with their eyes closed!” You heard it here first, folks!

    ANNOYING BRAT GETS HIS: Little Tommy Halloran, age 11, was eaten by a catfish today while fishing down at the creek. Tommy, a well-known brute much addicted to setting cats on fire and pummeling adults for their lunch money, went fishing today at the suggestion of his mother, whose arm Tommy had broken earlier in the week just for the fun of it. She reported the boy missing after seeing a large catfish jump out of the creek and swallow little Tommy’s head. Police are not saying whether they believe this, given that there is no catfish big enough to swallow a child’s head, but as this kid was just relentless obnoxious, no one is going to spend a lot of time investigating the matter.

    LOCAL COMMUNIST FINDS JESUS: Local Communist Georg Ohlmeyer says that he found Jesus in his frying pan last night. He was cooking his supper after a long day at the electric blanket factory when he looked down at his 75% lean beef hamburger and saw the face of Jesus in the burger. He was going to eat the ikon anyway, but when he saw the face of our Lord haloed on the bun, he fell to his knees and repented his years of trying to overthrow the capitalists and their plutocratic system. Praise the Lord, indeed!

    And that’s the way it here in our happy little burg, May 6th, 2011. This is not Walter Cronkite, good night.

  1480. Michael Kircher…
    Perfect photo for the weekend… do you know why?
    The Giro D’Italia starts tomorrow!!

    Panos you must watch this year’s Giro… it’s said to be the toughest ever, nothing like it before.

  1481. Andrew – Civi – Thank you!
    Michael –
    Working at a winery can be quite fun – I actually work at two wineries owned by the same people. one is the oldest in the state of Wisconsin the other is newer but higher end than most others in the state…
    von Stiehl and Captain’s Walk… Emp. discounts absolutely :)

  1482. Justin…

    Some sleep with a gun under their pillow…
    I sleep with a camera on my bedside table. Getting dressed involves clothes and hanging a camera round my neck.

  1483. And the fillies ran today at Churchill Downs…Plum Pretty takes the $1,000,000 stakes Oaks, challenged at the wire by St. John’s River…

    Justin S…anti-rain dance done and continuing.

  1484. Justin,
    Don’t you just hate that?
    Wer’e trapped, for exactly that reason.
    The rare times I find myself without a camera, I always hope nothing interesting will present itself. The last time this happened to me it was a flock of seagulls taking off in very early morning light. Arghh. If only we could just enjoy the moment like everyone else, but instead we curse ourselves for not bringing the camera along that particular time. Kinda perverted really.

  1485. a civilian-mass audience

    JUSTIN…Thank you,this HARVEY bag will do it…

    AKAKYYYYYYYYYY…AKAKYIRL…oime,that is the report of the month…you are natural!

    MICHAELK…came back with a visual…bike going straight …in to the river:)))
    WE do Feel the BURN!!!

    JASON-winneries…you are on assignment:)!

    MIKER…storyteller…report?

    PANOS …still reporting

    PAUL…giro or gyro pita with souvlaki and tzatziki…hiii

    Where are my LADY BURNIANS…???and why Amsterdam is not reporting…?

    WHY,WHY…no report
    from the city of the dam?
    did they drink and had
    much fun…
    or they are BURNED
    and all forgot…

  1486. a civilian-mass audience

    No BURNIAN left behind…

    Amzing,breaking news in the next few days…oime,oime,oime…

    I can’t write when I am excited…I wish I was BOBBY !!!

    BE YOU,submit,report,Find YOUR own Vision and Voice…
    don’t do as I do…cause i am a civilian…and I copy and paste:)))

    damnit…I am awesome…To our Silent readers and MASS Audience…We LOVE YOU !!!

  1487. Civi, all.. no visual record from me, for that you need a photographer ;))

    Made a couple pics though, sitting on film.. no, seriously, we’re having a great and busy busy time, visuals will come, I’m sure, when the boys will get a minute of peace..

    Cheers, enjoy the your day, all of you!!

  1488. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA,EVA…THANK YOU…that’s reporting…!!!

    you are free to go ,now:)))…enjoy,have a round on me…I’ll send chickens later
    LOVE YOU!!!

  1489. Gordon Lafleur…

    “Justin,
    Don’t you just hate that?”

    I seriously don’t believe most people enjoy the subtle occurrences in life which photography either helps us capture for “posterity” or has shown us how to appreciate. I see it all the time with close friends and family as we head out together on walks, they are too busy chatting or complaining to stop and see life. Of course there are people who do see who aren’t photographers but I’ve personally met very very few.
    In my case photography is a necessity; I have a very strong suspicion it isn’t the healthiest of compulsions, but I don’t seem to have any other vices in my life. I’m starting to realize one of the reasons I’m having so many problems with finding an idea to create an essay is because I don’t think in essay form at all…David pointed that out to me when I first appeared round here. I like to head out throughout the day and find simple daily things which go unobserved, the only inconvenience is these things are so banal and so common, most people I show this stuff to just find the work boring. I get distracted by colours to such an extent some of my images are only about colours and of course it turns into a very personal image which most people don’t find at all interesting.

  1490. Paul,
    Or are we missing life because we are always on the lookout for photo ops? I’m never sure, but maybe it’s a little of both.
    I find myself grabbing the camera even when I’m just taking the dog out for a pee, or tucking Brian into bed. Here’s last night, by the light of an ipod. http://www.pbase.com/image/134503676

  1491. panos, gordon, paul..

    seeing photographs is second nature, no?
    whether holding a camera or not – seems like there is a photo everywhere.. everthing..
    trick is to tailor to our thoughts and situation. making it personal.

    was in amsterdam with a bunch of old school mates one year, and walking out of a coffee shop phil said
    “so – how do you find photographs?”
    and imediately there was a woman infront of us engrossed in a conversation on her phone in a narrow alley with people trying to push past here..
    “there’s one”
    and then a pidgeoon flew straight up the alley flapping low making people jump
    “there’s another”
    and so on to the next cafe.. just noticing the vibrancy of the now.. seemingly nothing happening.. yet everything alive in the moment.
    probably the sensi as well.

    one of the art gallery ‘outreach’ sessions i used to teach in nottingham was to pregnant women.. another was to disturbed teens.. both were frightened for their own reasons so we did an excessive – looking and seeing.
    you know.. noticing..
    our brain records a big green cicle with a brown rectangle sticking out the bottom and tells us it is a tree.. looking closer though, it’s actually an entire world.. universe..

    on nottingham – here is a strange thing.
    i just posted a photo on facebook of a free party in the late 90’s.. trying to figure out when it was taken – in nottingham..
    then.. JAMES CHANCE pops up saying he was at the same party.. photographing..
    he started at the same university i studied at, the year i graduated from it.

    small world getting smaller
    :oO

  1492. a civilian-mass audience

    DAVIDB…Thanks for reporting…and yeah,where is JAMES…?
    strange thing no more:)))

    THODORIS…thanks for reporting…Sunny Cyprus…sunny pics…

    “small world getting smaller”
    DB

    more reports…in the BURNING stove

  1493. Reports coming from Amsterdam on my phone..
    DAH, Anton texting , sending good vibes..
    They all chilling with Eva, Thomas and more..
    DAH flight for Toronto, magnum workshop and I’m having a
    confirmed “date” with Anton in Look3..
    Good day/night so far!
    Good vibes to y’all!
    UncleP

  1494. Thanks guys…

    David B…
    About a week ago I was treasure hunting at a local office/art supply store where they still have a few shelves with some long forgotten items from times past—most of it crap, but…—and I found a little box with six simple glass elements in it (probably meant to be used for some science class) which looked promising for fooling around with some 4×5 film… won’t have the time to play with them for the next couple weeks (at least) but I’m hopeful I might be able to make a nice (albeit weird) portrait lens out of the set…

  1495. DAVID BOWEN

    yes, the U.S. is a mess…has been my whole life…BUT you being the music man that you are need to come with me down to Blues country….the only off the interstate culture left in America and the home of the only totally unique art form we can claim…gospel, blues, jazz, rock n roll, rap…we got that one…no doubt about it….but all the other stuff? oh yea, stick it to us…we deserve most of the neg vibes that come our way..only saving grace: we admit it straight up….either right now or eventually!!

    peace amigo, david

  1496. …the only off the interstate culture left in America

    I’m sure the Blues Country culture is fantastic, and I’ve always wanted to visit sometime, but there are others. Four or five in southern Arizona alone.

  1497. Gordon…
    Judging by that photo you are not missing out on life one bit :). Wait another 20 years and images like that one will be a treasure.

    David B…
    You’ve once again explained it all perfectly…loved to have attended one of your workshops…

    Panos…
    Interesting comment by your friend, but don’t we all hide from life somewhat?

    What I’ve always noticed if I try too hard the photos just don’t ”work”. Better to just be and ride the beast and let it’s rhythm show the way.

  1498. harvey

    the US and us invented HOUSEMUSIC f’cri’sake.. then left it to stagnate.. waiting for europe to pick up the vibe..
    would love to visit the new country soon.. anytime soon.. but first
    i have a plan..

    10+ years immersed in youth culture..
    non-commercial.. for da luv..
    the possibilities of internet and youth movement culture..
    the hippies failed.. ‘electronic’ crowd got close..
    and profoundly the middle east has SUCCEEDED.. (albeit in small and easily debased ways).
    gotta plan.. got the contacts..

    skype soon i hope.
    blues country is good.. desert country is better. :o)

    US is fucked.. US is the best..
    friends all around the world smell the same, regardless of politics and preference for POTIONS..

    wish i was in amsterdam..
    high time i tested yer metal..
    d

  1499. paulo
    5000usd and i’ll give you the cameras :o)

    one day i will be able to workshop outside the collage / gallery ‘outreach’ route..
    trouble is – NO ONE has taken youth culture seriously, within photography, until now..

    60’s snappers concentrated on the ‘stars’.. not the movement.. and it failed..
    yet
    now..
    “via Libyan Youth Movement
    “Benghazi elder: “These men wearing American jeans,talking internet, Facebook, we made fun of them, but they proved their dignity” #libya””

    and “YES”, every fucker with a trust-fund or serious disposable income is shoe-horning in…

    one day – i will be worth an independantly subscribed ‘workshop”..
    yes..
    one day
    (smell irony)

    :o)
    peace.
    and whiskey
    d

  1500. 16 days off cigarettes.
    excercise.
    drinking water and detox tea.
    eating fruit….who the fuck invented fruit??
    even contemplating green vegetables….

    My life is over!!!!

    john

  1501. “Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.”

    ….dylan knew

  1502. rage?
    fucking hell, john my friend.
    RAGE…
    anyone here know?

    metaphors work best with insider knowledge..
    feel free..

    and all dat.

    love you.
    d

  1503. long, emotional day…3 exhibitions today, friends…then the screening/fundraiser with Sebastien of Restrepo…tears, long walk after….another exhibition at night….long walk with marina…

    tommorrow: david comes…m and i will treat him to some lovelies….with song from magnum…monday arranging big dinner bash….

    will report for Civi later in the week…will be a hectic week….

    JOHN G:

    this is for you mate:

    be well….whatever rags and rages your heart and body…sending this to u

  1504. a civilian-mass audience

    Everyone blames USA…USA is “everyone”
    USA is Africa,Asia,Europe,Australia…
    USA is Native Americans…
    USA is not a mess…The Whole World is not a mess…
    WE ARE JUST EVOLVING !!! and WE ARE ONE.

    can you hear me JOHNG…we are just Evolving…!!!
    I know…you probably saying “WTF civi…” british accent:)
    BUT,BUT…yes,we can do it all together…
    EVOLUTION needs Collaboration
    therefore
    Viva To Water,Viva to Fruits and veggies,Viva to Tea!
    (hmmm…I request permission for a glass of red organic wine*only)

    Keep reporting BURNIANS…we are Evolving…BURN is BURNING Organic Green!

  1505. a civilian-mass audience

    DAVIDB…as PAUL says…love to attend one of your workshops…!

    Any discounts for grecocivilians…:)))

    VIVA to Green!

  1506. a civilian-mass audience

    TO ALL THE MOTHERS …in the UNIVERSE…WE LOVE YOUUUUUUUUU!!!

    “The heart of a mother is a deep abyss at the bottom of which you will always find forgiveness.”
    Honore de Balzac

    To Mama SOCRATES…MRS.MARYANNA …THANK YOU !

  1507. a civilian-mass audience

    GOOD news…from OUR SAMMYYYYYYY…he is reporting from Sydney…SHOW TIME!
    “i am releasing a ‘limited release exhibition catalogue’ blurb book from today until June 11th (when the festival ends).”please can you say hello to all the burnians from me…love & hugs Sam & Yael,the girls are at home!!!…Yuma and Yali…We do know the girls:)

    HE IS ROCKING…GLENN is there too.. .our boys are BURNING…oime
    VIVA AUSSIESSSSSS

    I am the proudest CIVILIAN …
    SAMMY says to have a glass of wine…Well,WE ALL gonna raise our glasses with tea !!!
    BRAVO to AUSSIES…more to come

    What not to LOVE !!!

  1508. David B…

    :)))I suppose Paolo was me last night?
    You’ve got me somewhat lost last night with the Benghazi elder and the American jeans wearing Libyan Youth Movement shoe-horning with their trust funds signing up for irony filled independent subscribed workshop in which you include cameras for 5000USD… :))

  1509. “During his trip, Robert Frank shot 767 rolls of film yielding about 27,000 images. He edited that down to about 1,000 work prints, spread them across the floor of his studio and tacked them to the walls for a final edit. Out of a year and a half of work, Frank chose just 83 images for his book The Americans.”

    I’d love to see the 27,000 images and take my time with them, I’m sure there would be so much to learn from studying everything Robert Frank saw on that roadtrip. That is an average of two rolls of film a day, not that difficult to do, though how many of us shoot two rolls of film EVERYDAY or 75 images with a digital camera…
    I’m sure it’s always more about commitment to an idea than talent…

  1510. Need a shower, food and sleep.. no idea in what order.. spent an absolutely amazing time in Amsterdam, THANK YOU!!!

    And spent the last five hours at the HCB exhibit in Zurich, stopped to count after 300 photographs.. LIF and DU spreads NOT included, videos about him and movies he directed NOT included. If you have a chance to go there, do it, and take your time!

    Catching up here later, when I can see straight again.. David is on the plane, Toronto be ready :)

  1511. ALL,

    just arrived home and uploaded the pictures of our Burnians Meeting at the World Press Photo Awards Days 2011.
    I’m no so good with words, but I hope to give you some impressions

    Amsterdam is a great and wonderful city with friendly and relaxed people, lots of sunshine and canals which work better than any other traffic.

    David’s Keynote was amazing, covering lots of stuff, burn, EPF and his personal work.

    In principle it is always a pleasure to meet people from the online world, but meeting with burnians always exceeds this experience by far.
    It is difficult to describe Anton, Eva and David without you thinking I fell in love with them. Just believe me, they are really great people you should meet in person, if you didn’t until now.

    We hat the best weather you can expect, met with great people and had wonderful days in Amsterdam.

    Here are the pictures:
    http://flickr.com/gp/tfelix/a856gB

  1512. a civilian-mass audience

    WOW…EVA,THOMAS…amazing…THANK YOU ,THANK YOU for reporting…!!!

    EVA…you are a BURNIAN lady …nice to meet you!

    THOMAS…through your photos…I had the chance to “fell in love with them” too…!
    hmm…that happens when you are the photographer…you are from the other side:))))
    Well, we love you too…and Thanks again for the insight…That’s what I call clear report…
    don’t you agree JIMMY?:))

    SAFE TRAVELS…to All of you out there…

  1513. THOMAS!! Payback will be SWEET ;) (hiding.. my sandwich and I are in every other pic!!!)

    Civi.. don’t really know who or what I am, but one thing for sure I am not: a lady.. one day I’ll say nice to meet you to you too :)

  1514. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA,you are out there now!…you are definitely a lady with class and glass(es)!!!
    yeap…one day,one of us will cross these waters…

    Oh,by the way…we are Evolving again…
    we do as JOHNYG…Viva with water and detox tea!

  1515. PAUL,

    I think commitment and talent have to go together, at least to produce the great works ala The Americans. You can be as dang committed as say Frank, but without the “eye” then what do you have? And that eye needs to be present at both the tripping of the shutter, and later the editing process (where many stumble badly). Of course the reverse is true as well – great talent without drive and ambition and getting the world to see it is a waste (if you want to be known as a working photographer that is). One of the most talented photographers (and obviously driven) I’ve come across recently is Vivian Maier, the Chicago nanny who made photos for herself from the 50s to 70s that rival the greats. http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/amazing-mystery-photographer-comes-to-fame-after-h But she did nothing with these and were never seen until they were discovered after her death at an estate sale. So both talent and drive are not mutually exclusive if you want to be a known and working photographer. Of course there are hacks in any profession that rise to the top just through sheer will and the mediocrity of the culture, but I think we’re talking about making true art.

    Anyway, if I make no sense it’s because I haven’t had my coffee yet and so am now committed to a walk to our local coffee shop! :)

    Charles

  1516. Civi.. I was already out there (always am anyway, but that’s another topic altogether ;) ), seems you missed it… tztztztz.. gotta stay focused!

    Or like HCB says in the video I saw this morn, and referres also to Paul/Charles comments above: no..no..no.. YES –> click.. gotta SEE and be fast..

  1517. Personally, I think we’d all be better off shooting 27,000 photos, editing them down to 1000, then 83 than studying how someone else went about it. Figuring out how Frank did it would probably be little help in how you would do it with your own project.

    Maybe not, though. At David’s recent lighting seminar in New York, he talked us through one of his raw cards from which a few photos ended up in Living Proof and that was very enlightening in several ways. Too bad Frank’s not around to do something similar. David knew what he was doing thematically, but I suspect Frank was working a lot of it out as he went.

  1518. marcin luczkowski

    Thomas,

    Thanks for the pictures. I see you had a great time there.

    and, ohh… your pictures remind me, Amsteradam is the place I could live! :)

  1519. Though that said, I’m currently on a Zen type kick where I try to take as few photos as possible. Recent four hour shoot I did, I took 35 photos, three of which I thought were pretty good. Another guy there I talked to afterward said he took over four hundred and wasn’t happy with any of them.

    Part of this Zen approach comes from watching other photographers (If you’re in New York, they’re as thick as mosquitoes on the Mississippi). I see them taking picture after picture of the same thing and it’s obvious that none of those redundant pics are going to be any good. I think there’s this idea that if you take enough, something is bound to turn out, and I guess sometimes that’s true, but I’m finding it better to spend more time thinking about the scene and what it means or what it feels like, or even not thinking about it, just soaking up the atmosphere, trying to become a part of it, and then be ready when an opportunity to capture it presents itself.

  1520. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…you are right…I miss so many stuff…BUT hey,I am just a civilian…hii:)))

    CHARLES…thanks for reporting…Don’t forget mama;)

    MARCIN…report?:)

    MW…keeps reporting!

    and maybe we are broke here in grecolandia BUT Panathinaikos did it again…basket babyy!

  1521. marcin luczkowski

    And a few words about WPP, if I may,
    Since I start interesting in photography,
    I’ve seen a thousands photos of human suffering.
    And most of the suffering was from other human’s hand.
    not from disasters but from neiborhood’s hand
    and all I can say about human kind is
    the most stupid, agressive, thoughtless, senseless, slothful, greedy ect, ect
    kind on earth.
    and I often regret I am one of them.
    I regret I am of the ape.

    photography sucks sometimes, because human sucks.

  1522. Marcin
    There is still beauty and joy and love.

    Here is my 2011 Tribute to Mothers and Daughters show. We put it up yesterday in a local hotel lobby. Local families bring their moms for a Mothers day brunch, and to enjoy the photographs. I just came back from checking the show, and took the panorama picture. A lovely woman there with her new grandson gave me a lovely compliment saying that coming to the show was the highlight of her year. What not to love.

    Call your mom Marcin if you still have her, and tell her how much you love her.
    Happy Mothers Day all.

    http://www.pbase.com/glafleur/mothers_and_daughters_2011&page=all

  1523. Charles…

    I’ve been following Vivian Maer’s discovery quite closely and yes it’s pretty incredible what she accomplished, such a talented woman and so very driven. I also like the fact she seemed to do it for her own satisfaction and that seems quite the healthiest way of making art.

    I still think you’re are over-emphasizing the importance of talent; actually I believe everyone round here who shows there work, is up to doing ground breaking material, I see more than enough talent on burn. Commitment is something quite different… when one’s wife/husband or girlfriend/boyfriend threatens to leave home or blow another tantrum because we’re over doing it photography wise at least in her eyes – and in fact she is probably quite right – the real dedicated one just can’t help it and will head out once again for that elusive photo. I see talent every year in my landscape workshops but I rarely see that illness which commitment will seem to those more normal beings who most likely lead a much happier life just going 60% or less.
    Charles I don’t know if you’ve read this book but it’s quite illuminating and it’s a theory which has been running around for years even before this author wrote about it. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it knowing you’ve got a little kid… we obviously always want the best for them in life… :))
    http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017922/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304878420&sr=8-1

  1524. Mw…

    Smiling…
    You might as well put that digital camera in a cupboard and I’ll send you by UPS my 8×10 Deardorff, with my one and only film holder and 270 lens.
    When I mentioned I would love to study all the 27,000 images I meant by looking at the contact sheets; you always learn something by looking at a work of art. Even if you don’t like that work of art too much like my case.
    Have you seen Nachtwey’s “War Photographer”? The guy shoots quite a lot, but what I really noticed was he never took the camera away from his eye whilst waiting between shots.

  1525. Thomas…

    Love the images I really wish I could of hopped over!!
    But I’m not allowed to travel whilst my injury persists. Actually it sounds like the injury is quite grave but it isn’t… just can’t walk on my left foot due to pain and it’s just illegal to travel abroad whilst being off work with an injury.

  1526. Eva…

    Did you paint the M7 logo black or is that just due too much use?? :))
    Anyway, Skype sometime this week? Been a good month since I’ve even switched on Skype…just too busy as you know.
    Hey did you buy any books in Amsterdam?

  1527. Paul.. painting it black every so often.. perhaps it falls off one day ;)
    Won’t be back home before Tuesday late.. skype after then is fine! No books in Amsterdam, just two today at the HCB exhibit, one is ‘Der Klang der Seele’.. ehm.. ‘The Sound of the Soul’? Love how he did portraits.. oh.. you should check out his ‘Scrapbook’ if you don’t have already, contacts in there, and different versions of pics, to arrive to THE photograph!

  1528. Thomas, thanks for sharing. Nice atmosphere. You must have had a great time.

    Paul, I know you were joking above but, if you ever consider giving up on 8×10 please let me know.

  1529. Marcin, I agree with you.. we were talking about it looking at the photographs..and even the natural disasters are more often than not human made.. but on the other hand there is so much suffering that needs to be talked about, awarness must be raised.. just looking into the eyes of some of those photographed.. there was one screening by a Spanish photographer, such important work.. and the eternal question, can photography do something about it or not..

  1530. “we were talking about it looking at the photographs..and even the natural disasters are more often than not human made.. but on the other hand there is so much suffering that needs to be talked about, awarness must be raised.. ” – eva

    Raising awareness…
    At a point, there is is much “awareness being raised” that it all becomes noise and people start to block it all out. they know death and the like is happening but they just don’t care anymore. they have their own problems to care about. And it’s something right infront of them – something they can do something about. To try to raise awareness more is like trying to talk over the crowd. and the crowd just gets louder…

    I agree there are important things happening all around the world – the problem is that so much of it is on the news one day and then not the next – or worse – its played SO often it gets tiresome. Like when the radio plays the same pop song 3 times an hour for 8 weeks straight.

  1531. THOMAS
    Thank you for capturing and sharing the Amsterdam photos…one of the places I hope to visit sometime, photography related or not…

    A beuatiful day here in Lexington…spent the morning and mid-day at a local arts and crafts festival…nice to be able to get out without rain and clouds and wander amongst those who do their craft either full or part time, but go all-out at it….was interested that there were more photographers than I remember seeing…mostly nature types, but some things of interest and certainly some good conversations.

    Good light, all…and happy Mother’s day to all those that nurture those around them…whether traditional “mothers” or not….

    A.

  1532. MW,

    Now that I’m shooting almost 100% digital, I do find that I shoot a heck of a lot more than I used to (hey, no lab bill!). But when working a scene or moment (let’s say of Felix for lack of a better example) I find that 7 times out of 10 the shot that usually ends up making the cut is the first one taken. The others are just striving to better what’s already been bested.

    PAUL,

    I’m sticking by talent and that either you got it or you don’t. It may seem grossly unfair but in my mind that’s just the way it is. But then the challenge is to recognize that talent, either in yourself or others. And where that talent lays the best. Lately I’ve been revisiting my past a lot due to yet another wave of grunge (and earlier) nostalgia, and I see where my talent was wasted, either by pursuing a false path of trying to keep up with the Joneses (ie I would have been better off just posing all of the bands I shot in an alley in b&w vs trying fancy studio lighting techniques and cross processing etc) or by not showing up at all (why didn’t I take my camera to this or that show, shoot more backstage, candids, etc etc). Hindsight is always 20/20 of course, but all lessons one can pass on to the present, and others.

    But even from my earliest photos, with no training, workshops, etc whatsoever, one can see my signature style emerging – really already there. It just needed some more drive behind (commitment) but no way could I have done what I did without that innate talent I believe. I just think there are some things that can’t be taught.

    And Happy Mothers Day to all! A classic Buddhist meditation on karma is the idea that we were all mothers once, and that all other beings were our mothers. Chew on that!

    Charles

  1533. The images notice most when looking at early work are the ones I call “nearlies” I could see what I was aiming to get, nearly got it; but not quite… Always interesting. Anyway; most of my work (from about the middle of last year back is sitting on a hard drive in my bottom drawer; not going back there cos it’s mostly crap. Onwards and (hopefully) upwards; forget about the past work and move forwards…

  1534. “But when working a scene or moment (let’s say of Felix for lack of a better example) I find that 7 times out of 10 the shot that usually ends up making the cut is the first one taken. The others are just striving to better what’s already been bested.”

    Agreed. I find the same thing.

    ————————————–

    Happy mother’s day to all you moms out there.

  1535. Jason… I do understand what you say.. so, what is the point in going in those places, taking the risks and bring back the pictures (this from the photographers side).. and would the world be a better place if nobody would do the reporting?

    Probably it’s a balancing act that needs to be done..

  1536. a civilian-mass audience

    “would the world be a better place if nobody would do the reporting?”

    EVA…I don’t think so…therefore, keep reporting…MY BURNIANS…

    From Amsteldam…to Toronto…
    from NY to LA
    from NZ to Alaska
    from Libya to Sydney…

    keep reporting…so many breaking news…safe travels to ALL…
    Please,enjoy the ride

    BURN MF*,BURN !!!
    *My Friends:)

  1537. Thodoris…

    Thanks for the tip! Now that is a bargain…

    I’m considering your comment last night. Actually I haven’t used it once in the last 12 months, it’s sitting here next to my enlarger in a massive backpack. I don’t know if, when or if ever I will to use it again and that’s a pity. But I think I’ve moved on from landscapes and large format, just the film is sooooo expensive it stops me in my tracks everytime.
    :)I won’t ever sell it to you if I do decide to say goodbye to it I would change it for something you’ve got…
    I don’t suppose you have a GF1 with a 20mm lens gathering dust or a Nikon D90 body or an equivalent Canon camera? Just thinking a bit, nothing sure; surprise me!! :)

  1538. John Gladdy…

    No idea who invented fruit, although if you are having a hard time like I usually have with eating fruit just do this…

    1 whole banana
    Cut into slices an apple and the same with two pears
    Squeeze 1 orange
    chuck it all into a jug with a yoghurt (I use strawberry)
    Use a blender… if it’s a little too dense add some milk.
    Let it sit in the fridge for a couple of hours and drink it.
    Done this for twenty years.
    If you add running 3 times a week for no more and no less than 40 mins, try and find a pace/speed you can just about talk… you’ll soon do fine.
    Bare in mind these sort of changes in life take time. DONT HURRY, patience is the trick for all this and don’t constantly weight yourself…

  1539. John Gladdy…

    Before I forget…

    Keep well away from commercial fruit juices…they are so loaded with sugar, basically they are just sugar water. BAD BAD stuff if your body is craving for a smoke.

  1540. Besides a plug for his photography book and new CD, Moby has some interesting thoguhts on the photo book business state and the creative process…

    I never knew he was a photographer – evidently, he comes from a family of visual media artists…

    good morning light today all!
    a.

  1541. I like his discussion around the 2 minute mark of how the dielectic of sharing your work can allow (force?) you to see it differently….both when you try and describe it (if you do), but also as you hear the responses to it….

  1542. Andrew B…

    Bloody hell! Now that is weird I’m right now sitting at home trying to read and interview with Moby in the local newspaper with kids fighting over the last ice cream left and I was just off to search for his images! :).

    Do you know who his great grandfather was?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Melville

  1543. Paul – I had no idea! Does anyone know who his uncle is/was? Evidently, he was a photographer for the NYT…

    In case anyone didn’t notice, there is also a link to a bt mre interview, and few of the images from the book…there is also a link to another discussion comparing the state of the music industry to the photo book industry..

    http://www.bjp-online.com/2044924

  1544. Paul,

    The only cameras I have sitting around are a Leica R8 or a Horseman 6×9. Don’t suppose you’d be interested in either of them though…

    Have been contemplating a GF1 for myself, ever since it came out. It can still be had (new) for around 800 EUR or so, including the 20 lens.

    In any case, if you ever decide to let your 8×10 go, please keep me in mind.

    Not really sure if it would be a right fit for me anyhow—I’m a relatively small sized guy, so lugging around a 5-6kg camera, plus film holders, plus tripod, plus… might prove problematic, after the initial excitement wears off… but I’ve always dreamt of trying it out. One of the things I wish I had done differently with my Nicosia project is that I didn’t use LF… at the moment I’m toying with 4×5 in order to be ready next time around… and my thinking is if I do indeed go the LF road (for the projects that could be a good match for it) why not go all the way?

    Cheers.

  1545. Thomas, danke for the pictures in Amsterdam! Good to see some burnian faces! Thaks for sharing

    Patricio

    PS: Funny to see Kadir VL there. Amazing how photographers could jump from here to there in a few days, and come back without even notice that… :-)

  1546. a civilian-mass audience

    ROSSY,CHARLES,EVA,FRANK,ANDREWB,PAUL,PANOS…THODORIS,PATRICIOM…thanks for reporting and for the links!!!
    MICHAELK…thanks for the dreams…it’s soo AKAKY:)!!!

    Where is Toronto?…I am expecting a MAGNUM report BUT I can wait!

    Can you feel it?
    something is in the air!… coming soon to your screens…

  1547. a civilian-mass audience

    “i understand now that if things are going to change, i need to be the change agent – all in the name of healing and love and friendship”
    from our BURNIAN lady MICHELLE MADDEN…

    hmmm…a change agent…

  1548. a civilian-mass audience

    and ADMIN…or any BURNIAN…

    MW requests assistance…aisle (Emerging,SUBMIT FUND 2011)…ASAP…!

    it’s a tech question and I can’t do tech…when you ask tech questions…
    I am in DARK EUPHORIA ;)!

  1549. a civilian-mass audience

    MTOMALTY…
    …”civilian’s house is the center of the Universe”…hiii…sure,what am I thinking:)))

    BUT,yes Toronto is BURNING in a MAGNUM way…therefore…What not to Love!

    P.S…report is due though..:)

  1550. Civilian:

    (dateline:Toronto…aka COU) Weather beautiful…as are all workshop leaders. Saw DAH outside sign-up building, but was being mobbed and couldn’t breach perimeter. Will make introductions hopefully tonight at lecture. Gilden’s adorable; Larry Fink was right…we relate as one. (He likes my words.) Treating him as the air, totally enveloped – then walk through. Discomfort level easily arrived, am failing magnificently.

    Day One a catastrophic success.

  1551. Thodoris…

    The R8 is a lovely camera but I’ve grown out of big cameras, I do regularly use my 1DsII but I miss my M6 and dream of buying someday an M9. My small camera is either a Nikon Fm3a or a G10.
    The 8#10 is a big beast to move around, i’ve been out on crutches with backpack and tripod I can assure you it’s a gruelling experience. Though I would always choose 8#10 over 4#5…used to own an Ebony 45Su an absolute work of art with a couple of top of the line Schneider lenses but the negative is just too small for all the effort.
    If you can think of a way of sending it to you I’ve no problems in lending you the 8#10 for some project you may have in mind…after all we both live in the warm and sunny mediteranean :))

  1552. a civilian-mass audience

    JEFFFFF…THANKS for reporting…WOW,do I smell success?
    WoW,do I smell BURNING visions…?
    WOW…
    this I have to say…go on JEFF and Shine…!you are on assignment afterall !!!

  1553. a civilian-mass audience

    BREAKING,amazing news:
    SAMMY is reporting again from SYDNEY…
    he is a finalist in the momento book comp (like blurb but for aussies)
    and
    and
    and ABC radio interview…!!! LIVEEEE

    I told him to drink lots of ouzo and to eat garlic bread prior:)…that can boost his confidence…

    P.S JEFF…maybe you can try my suggestion too:)))

  1554. a civilian-mass audience

    and more news are coming MY BURNIANS…I can’t spill the peas yet…cause I have to ask for permission
    blah,blah…
    BUT my brain,my mailbox,my inbox…are BURNing…

    The Universe is BURNING…Rock on my people ! We only live twice!!!

    Viva with detox tea…!!!

  1555. a civilian-mass audience

    as PAUL says…:”after all we … live in the warm and sunny mediteranean :))”

    civilian is reporting from BBbroken,beautiful grecolandia!

  1556. Reporting from cloud 1: body is home. Shower. Preparing d-76, then darkroom. Dustbunnies happily bouncing around. Deadline: July 21st. Must stick to it. Yikes.

  1557. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…welcome back!
    well,I can wait BUT we all know,you are holding…WoW material:)!

    deadline?…pfff…You are inspired,you are determined…go on,Rock on!!!

  1558. Somebody stop me.
    I’ve been compulsivly dropping in a couple of times a week to our local charity thrift store to check out the cameras. I just can’t stop myself, keep buying old film cameras, just can’t bear to leave them there. I picked up another Pentax MEsuper ($9.99), and an Olympus stylus epic ($2.99) yesterday. Last week I couldn’t resist an almost mint Nikkormat with 50f2 for $19.99. It’s getting out of hand. I may actually have to start buying some film.

  1559. a civilian-mass audience

    We have KATIAAAA…and we have KATHARINAAAA and we have CHRISB.
    and I am the proudest civilian…

    so, many good news coming my way…the Universe,the Universe is working…
    COME ON BURNIANS…together we can do miracles!!!

    MR.HARVEY thanks for being THE magic DAH!Do As Harvey…!

    I will be back…wifi playing weird…GORDON,I love your life!!!

  1560. Paul,

    Thank you for the offer!!!

    This way I can find out if 8×10 is for me, for the cost of shipping the camera back and forth, instead of having to buy one (there is no renting option where I live…) couldn’t ask for more!

    It looks like until June 10 I’ll be very busy so, I’ll drop you a line around then.

    Cheers…

  1561. Gordon,

    Like you, I sometimes have trouble finding the “off switch” when it comes to drink and cameras… Fortunately, I don’t find too many deals around around here – my last being a Canonet GIII from about a year ago in which I still need to replace the light seals.

    Paul,

    Thank you for the link to the Norman Mailer interview. Finally made time to read it today… very interesting with many points applicable to photography (or any of the arts, IMHO).

  1562. Justin…

    Sorry once again, haven’t been able to write an E-mail!
    I’ll try and write tomorrow!
    I thought the Mailer interview was pretty good and sort of useful not only to writers!

  1563. “A novel is the only place in the world where two strangers can meet on terms of absolute intimacy. The reader and the writer make the book together. No other art can do that. No other art can capture the essential inwardness of human life.”
    Paul Auster.
    Well I don’t know, but I think photography does quite a good job also…

  1564. Sweet.. Cow is tagged! As it/she/ should be..
    World evolving.. Slowly but steady!
    All, stop accepting the brainwashing commercials u see on trains and highways..
    Stop feeling sorry for yourselves because u don’t look like a supermodel or a millionaire that drinks a corona in Cabo San Lucas .. Stop feeling sorry coz u driving a dodge neon instead of an BMW and remove propaganda.. Fuck those “think God” church commercials too..
    Vandalize them, do NOT OBBEY, resist, support graffiti artists, support those kids that receiving felonies instead of Oscar awards..
    Support real art ..
    Wake up! Stop hiding behind your mortgage.. Accept you are a pawn in their game, refuse to be the slave..
    Free REVOK
    LONG LIVE TOOMER! support CLAW (girl graffiti artist from NY)..
    Wake up
    Wake up! Or keep buying all those shit they feed u and keep dreaming of supermodels and red ferraris and yellow lambos!
    (ahhh I know I’m wasting my time.. Nobody listens.. unless there is a grant or an award involved.)
    Shame!

  1565. And stop acting so surprised/emotional when u watch million movies about CHE or Ghandhi ..or Lennon..
    There will never be a docu about “you” as long as you keep having that victim mentality..
    Dare to think!…
    Yeah I hear you:”what’s the definition of “think”?”

  1566. And stop acting so surprised/emotional when u watch million movies about CHE or Ghandhi ..or Lennon..
    There will never be a docu about “you” as long as you keep having that victim mentality..
    Dare to think!…
    Yeah I hear you:”what’s the definition of “think”?”
    Big hug

  1567. “Wake up! Or keep buying all those shit they feed u and keep dreaming of supermodels and red ferraris and yellow lambos!”

    ….says the guy with the Leica. :)

  1568. a civilian-mass audience

    WAKE UP…yeap, wake up my Greek civilians…
    too much ouzo and smokes …soccer and eurovision…
    Come on My Greek people…wake up
    REVOLUTION…EVOLUTION…!!!

    and yes,long live TOOMER and REVOK,CLAW and MY BURNIANS and FREE the journalists NOW and
    all the KICKSTARTERS…and all the artists and the civilians…

    …says the civilian with the organic chickens:)))

  1569. a civilian-mass audience

    and MR.HARVEY says…do not skip history or referencing…

    “You have to know the past to understand the present.”
    Dr. Carl Sagan (American Astronomer, Writer and Scientist, 1934-1996)

  1570. “You don’t have to know the past to live in the present.”
    Dr E.Trouko (a gecko who never knew what a trout was 1997-)

  1571. Panos.. it boils down to: act, don’t talk. All along with educating and getting educated.

  1572. CIVI!!! Can you please please send your chicken over here? Alive that is. Amazing the stuff you find under the kitchentable after a week nobody has done some cleaning.. even if family claims they have.. mountains of crumbs to feed a herd of chicken for a month.. YIKES!

  1573. a civilian-mass audience

    “This I know…that I know nothing…”
    wise people have talked before me…and they will talk after me…

    I am fighting along my civilians…I will be back …let’s see…hmmm…EVA,are they organic crumbs?:))

    BE YOU…KEEP ROLLING…
    “Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.”
    Dr. Seuss

    LOVE TO ALLLLLL…the journey…

  1574. Civilian:

    dateline:Centre of Universe He agrees my first day was a catastrophe…tho not beautiful! Gilden rejects all but one of my images. Have been kicked from workshop for 20 1/2 hours, unfettered by directives and missives. “do what you want, jeff…you must give me 8 good images by Friday” Have decided to channel – through the whispers of Roberta T. – zen-style. Find a corner. Take ownership…wait. Meet ex-neighbout by accident, place him as front plane; along comes marginal personality; click. Beautiful! Roll to more. Can defend these to workshop leader.

    Run into – yes, literally – Godfather at front door to lecture hall. Big hugs then, BIG HUGS…his stubble pierces my lips. Four eyes shining. Perimeter breached, then like the air, he disappears.

    Day Two: Not about the light, about the air. Still enveloped. But thick…not easy to walk through. Elated.

  1575. Jeff…

    When you are finally released from ”Heaven” will there be any chance of showing us all the photos which were rejected and the ONE which was accepted? I ‘m sure for those of us who are a little stranded in our universe it may be quite an enlightning lesson. :)
    Anyway Jeff, good luck! Be you, take no prisoners embrace the creative fear which probably is creeping on you and exploit it as if you had a death sentence hanging over your head and remember what you’re searching for is you and it’s right there, right now…

  1576. a civilian-mass audience

    JEFF…your reports in BURNLAND…”assissins”…
    this I have to say…first visualize,then focus…and let go!
    if this doesn’t work,come to Grecolandia and let’s have a big toast!!!

    IMANTS…I am thinking to buy …the center of your universe…hmmm…?:)

    More news are coming in…going back home to check…long day of protest in Grecolandia…

    Keep reporting…I follow

  1577. a civilian-mass audience

    OUR MR.VINK VINK…is up on the air…air exhibition !!!

    BORDEAUX , 21 – 29 mai, place bey
    RENNES, 14 – 19 juin, place de l’Hôtel de Ville
    SOLIDAYS, 24 – 26 juin, Hippodrome de Longchamp
    TOULOUSE, 11 – 17 juillet, quais de la Garonne
    LYON, 10 – 18 sept., place des Terreaux
    CLERMONT-FD, 26 sept. – 3 oct., place de la Victoire
    MARSEILLE, 8 – 16 oct., esplanade Bargemon
    STRASBOURG, 22 – 30 oct., place Kleber
    PARIS, 3 – 14 nov., place de l’Hôtel de Ville

    more to come…What not to love!!!

  1578. PAUL,
    Excellent idea! (re: Jeff) Also, don’t sweat the email – I still owe you one :-)

    ROSS,
    Drive the shit out of that Camry! I just turned over 210,000 miles on my old Volvo 240 a week ago…

    JEFF,
    Per Paul’s request: I would love to see those images, as well! I understand if you might not want to put them on the web for all to see – maybe a protected albums for Burninans? As Paul said, it would be greatly appreciated by those of us “who are a little stranded in our universe”.

  1579. a civilian-mass audience

    JUSTIN…how can I forget…you are our JUSTIN stuck …in the snow:)!

    my apologies…my brain is overheating lately…BURNING cells:)))

  1580. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOSSSS…Athens is “on fire”…yeah,I hear you,again…
    can you send your friend,TOOMER BEAR to help…the walls are looking …awfully grey:(

    BUT,BUT…

    HIGH MIND/ LOW LIGHT…
    LOOK three times
    you will see
    this workshop is for YOU and ME* !!! *ME=media Emerging

    ok,enough…back to protesting…I am a civilian afterall

  1581. Another non-rain day here…sadly, consumed with non-photography work/paperwork.

    The new Moby book/CD was mentioned yesterday…discovered last night that you can listen to the whole album via streaming audio, and see a large number of the images from the book (depicted on a cool world map).

    Here’s the fun part – you can add your own images to the map (using instagram), along with a brief description. Check it out – the white dots are Moby’s images, the black ones are the ones people have uploaded.

    destroyed.moby.com

    good light, all.
    a.

  1582. JEFF… would be interested too in seeing the pictures, if you’re sharing. I’m sure it will be a very intense few days, to chew on for a long while, don’t forget to enjoy!!

  1583. running to David’s lecture…spent a crazy crazy fun night with david and others on monday…off to meet him now for lecture…

    will try to write a mini-report (but i will not kiss and tell) for all this weekend…

    much to do yet…

    running
    bob

  1584. I got a few photo books for my birthday, and just recently took a casual tour through American Color 2 from Constantine Manos, and it’s prompted me to wonder about technique, not only his but in general….

    Most of his photographs are all very sharp, front to back…nothing really out of focus or soft. I like this look (not all the time) for my own personal work, so I’m wondering if it’s easier to get using a smallish aperture and hyperfocal focusing, or just smallish aperture and focus on the subject…

    Thoughts? I’m talking mainly street photography, here….

    And by the way, if you haven’t seen American Color 2, you might want to check it out…some very wonderful photographs.

    a.

  1585. Gordon,

    Thank you for sharing that link; I haven’t seen the documentary, but have viewed many of the stills. Utterly brilliant on its own – even more so when one considers the self-therapeutic value of Mr. Hogencamp’s work.

  1586. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL…and BURNIANS in S.Spain…I need report ASAP…
    Deadly quake rocks southern Spain …
    may the spirits of life be with YOU and ALL of Us…!

    BOBBY…please kiss BUT don’t tell…
    we can wait for your report
    Enjoy now with the other BURNIANS…JEFF,MARC,MIKEB…
    sending good energy

    PANOS…LANCE and to all our BURNING family in San Antonio…
    you may begin …reporting

    ROSSY…can we exchange…I have a donkey:)

    KATHARINA…keep reporting

    I will be back…Grecolandia is a ticking bomb…I am going out to bring reports:(

  1587. a civilian-mass audience

    POSTCARDS FROM AMERICA…I will be on the bus,oh,yeah,I am in…
    next to ALEC and JIM…more to come:))))

    I will be back…cause I forgot to say…

    I LOVE YOU ALLLLLLLLLL…

  1588. a civilian-mass audience

    JOHNYG …update please…if you feel like or whenever…

    ok…Running like …who else …BOBBY!!!

  1589. ROSSY…can we exchange…I have a donkey:)

    Nah, sorry… My mate has about 70 donkeys on his organic farm so I’m a bit spoiled for choice! ;-)

  1590. Mind you; a donkey might have more horsepower (or is it donkeypower?) than my Camry! And hay IS cheaper than petrol; hmmmmmmmmm….

  1591. Ross.. plus out of donkey poo you can make gas…

    Raffaele Bendandi had said that on May 11, 2011, there would be an earthquake destroying Rome. Not true. But there was indeed an earthquake yesterday.. and if you look at the worldmap as a whole, Lorca and Murcia (Spain) are not that far.. thinking of the victims.. and my son, who is in Rome..

    Civi.. not sure about the nature of those crumbs.. protest and be strong, we need you :)

  1592. Andrew B…

    Constantine Manos probably is using either a 35mm or 28mm lens…I use a 50mm lens nearly always and the depth of field between a 28mm or a 35mm compared to my 50mm is huge. But that is OK with me I love F4 and sort of like f5,6 and hate anything smaller than that, but I’ve got to be pretty aware all the time of what I’m focussing on. I used to lend one of my best friend my lovely Summilux-M 35 mm f/1.4 ASPH and he practically owned my Summicron-M 28 mm f/2 ASPH – I just never used it – he used to leave them on F8 hyperfocal and shoot away and concentrate on the subject, makes photography “easy” and quicker just one thing less to worry about. I’m sure he missed some images especially if working with people who came close to him – not that he will admit it :)! If you are working with a digital camera that gives you good images at high iso then can use a longer lens like a 50mm but if it’s film like Velvia and you want lots of depth of field you have to go wide. No doubt if you can hyperfocal it will certainly be quicker but if you’re using autofocus most cameras are fast.

  1593. “Mankind is like dogs, not gods – as long as you don’t get mad they’ll bite you – but stay mad and you’ll never be bitten. Dogs don’t respect humility and sorrow.”
    Jack Kerouac.

  1594. Cvilian et al:

    At lecture I lean over rows to DAH “where’s BB”…from underneath…”Jeff, I’m here!!!” Contact at CONTACT! YAY!!! He does speak the truth – Marina IS beautiful. Great chat later at bar. I love him.(He’ll fill you in later…)

    David’s lecture a tour de force and I see (not enough) some new-to-me work of his. Rhythm, motion, music is he – in person and in work. But no sign yet of ‘divided soul’.

    OK, my status: Favourite shot is rejected by all. I talk too much, and Bruce looms over my desk face-on for ten minutes, chewing me out, critiquing, destroying, offering encouragement all at once. Too lazy, too tentative, too high, too off. Regroup, regroup. Ten minutes? Over and over it comes, relentless and powerful, and then more…and then more. Way too much to process. He mistakes my reddened face for discomfort…I’m just trying to keep up with everything he says. His ass-kicking could be a book. Yes, my book.

    Day Three: I always thought Gilden was ten-feet tall and breathed fire. My distant intuition rears itself.

  1595. Regarding graffiti and the LA show–Panos, meet Roy.

    And Haldun, I’ve met Bruce Gilden. Seemed very mild-mannered. I hate to think of what you must be doing to turn such a nice guy into a fire breathing monster. Using Hipstamatic or what? And what exactly are you too high on and why aren’t you sharing?

  1596. Thanks Paul,

    Manos did use either a 35 or a 28 for everything in the book – he talks briefly about it in a short section at the end. Also, most images are Kodachrome, but quite a few are digital…

    I’m playing with hyperfocal focusing for a little while, starting with the 35. 28 on the full frame is still a challenge for me, there is so much in the frame…

    JEFF H
    love the updates on your experiences, please keep it coming!

    good light, all!
    a.

  1597. MW… Jeff IS sharing, much more than you probably imagine, and much more than others (me to name one) would be willing to..

  1598. Andrew b…

    Full frame? Well most full frames are ridiculously big, my 1ds II stands out like a sore thumb! Unless you’ve got an M9 :)… even the 5dII is chunky and then if you are trying out 28mm you really have to draw in close to your subject. Of course that means being very confident and at ease with strangers, not something I’m strong at. But if I’m introduced or spoken to, that’s the end of the problem. Look at Alex Webb’s Istanbul I’m completely sure he’s using most of the time a 28mm on his Leica….
    http://www.magnumphotos.com/c.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.BookDetail_VPage&pid=2K7O3R9FQZIJ
    I love studying photos very carefully I’ve been known to sit staring at a photo for half an hour – I used my wife’s egg timer!! – Being on crutches does have it’s good points. You would be amazed at the things one’s eye misses out on by just skimming photos.
    The thing is if you use a 28mm and selecting certain apertures you don’t need to be so exact on focussing, more depth of field of course is more forgiving with focussing errors great on the street if you under pressure. But it’s crucial to go very close or those horrible empty spaces in front of subjects will undoubtedly kill a powerful image.

  1599. Jeff…

    Keep on!! Don’t feel disheartened you’ve got to DIE TO LIVE
    You’re probably much closer than you are aware of and thanks for sharing your experiences this is great stuff.
    Anyway if it’s late tonight and you’re still in doubt just click here and burn

  1600. JEFF…

    too bad we have not had one single chance for a chat here in Toronto..just too frenetic this particular scene i think…not my usual workshop atmosphere….in any case, perhaps this evening? i will be at Drake again…yes, it is too bad i could not show RIO last night..would have been my major body of new work and book by next spring…. however, quite of bit i showed should have been new to you..cannot imagine where you would have seen Sicily or Outer Banks or even the women portraits..but anyway, i do work slow in the sense it takes me at least two years to finish anything…”no sign of div soul”…??

    in any case, i do hope we can meet sometime this afternoon or evening…

    cheers, david

  1601. Roberta Tavares

    Jeff;
    Now it’s being your turn… Thanks so much for sharing the experience. It’s been great to follow it up by your words, specially considering the writer you are. Hope you find a way to meet David soon. We’ll be waiting this powerful piece on your narrative. I am sure that the complex: adrenalin, enthusiasm, reevaluation, anxiety, Bruce Gilden on your desk will strongly enrich and guide , even more, this body of work that must be fulfilled by honesty, expression, identity and THE motive (assumption based on what I already know about you )

  1602. Jeff ……… Really kool updates. When i was at dah’s loft workshop i could barely put together my stuff together for Dahs critique …. loggin to burn was practically impossible

  1603. a civilian-mass audience

    WHAT NOT TO BURNNNNNNN!!!

    BURNIANS meeting BURNIANS and MAGNUMS meeting MAGNUM BURNIANS…
    oime,I am so excited …I can’t write…!

    ROBERTA,oi ROBERTA from Brazil!,THOMAS,EVA …from Amsterdam…now,JEFF from Torontoland…BOBBY is coming…VIVEK has flashbacks…from Kibbutz, EMCD has started this long time ago…
    PAUL is alive in Spain…EVA is in the darkroom…ROSSY,is the luckiest one;)!
    you ALL report from all over the Universe…

    PANOS and LANCE are going crazy in San Antonio…
    “POSTCARDS” people are ready to roll…

    Keep the fire BURNING…and SUBMIT…
    the time is now.
    don’t think twice,it’s all right:)!

  1604. a civilian-mass audience

    and MR.MANOS is Greek,like MR.ECONOMOPOULOS and MR.HARVEY and MR.ALEC and yes…
    they are all greeks to me:))))))))

    KEEP BURNING…
    I am on a mission…I will be back

  1605. JEFF! :))))))))))))

    great to meet you…although way too short…but, man, it’s been long long days…teaching everynight this week plus running to meet folk and spend time with David and everyone….loved our talk…remember about ‘morality/sexuality’, and i’ll follow up over drinks…i’ll be there saturday for sure, helping Song…and at Larry’s on Friday…

    ALL: will write a proper report tonight…teaching ’til 7pm. and then slouching home to write a report here (as promised to David) and a comment for Katia…intense beautiful week, as always…being pulled in 1,000,000 directions, but the pulling feels beautiful, for all the right reasons…

    one quick note about JEFF: he talks even MORE than I do…or rather, even more than I WRITE…but :)))…he has a beautiful spirit, filled with laughter and love…really enjoyed meeting him and our hugs…and Jeff: bruce WAS RIGHT! ;)))…time to talk and i time to work :))))..love u man, see u saturday….

    MORE LATER…PROMISE :))

    DAVID: AMIGO AMIGO: check your email, wrote you this morning…will call u tonight….wish you were staying longer than friday am…but, i’ll see u this summer….wrote u a letter…love u man….:))

    more later tonight…

    running

    bob

  1606. ALL, POSTCARDS OF AMERICA PROJECT STARTED..
    right now I’m with PAOLO P, and Ginger S, the writer..
    Soaking rain..
    Plz CHECK MY FB VIDEOS TO SEE LIVE FROM SA..
    Audrey, civi, Andrew S, please someone link my Facebook profile..
    Alec Soth is paired with our Lance and M.Subotzky just got dropped in a house for his assignment ..
    Jim Goldberg is paired with Kim ( he was working on mixing his Polaroid chemicals etc)..
    Susan Meiselas is working with Jose and …. More more soonest..
    Again plz someone link my FB page to see live videos …
    Band on the run as DAH said to me the other day!!!!!!
    Big hug
    Stay tuned

  1607. a civilian-mass audience

    BOBBYYYYYY…
    yeap,give a big HUG to all BURNIANS …to Beauty MARINA and don’t forget…

    MR.HARVEY,the BEAST:)))!!!

    VIVA to Torontoland!

  1608. a civilian-mass audience

    THE BEAST…(to be perceived as a compliment)
    just in case…:)))

  1609. @PANOS: Yep as you says, no doubt, that thing is fanfuckingtastic! I just check its prize, and it is holyshitexpensive! :-O

    Patricio

  1610. CIVI :))

    I gave David many many hugs…and a few kisses…but, i’m sure he prefers Marina’s hugs and kisses :)))

    Patricio: no pics…i never photograph things like that, i prefer to talk, drink, hug, watch, and ‘misc.’ :)))…i’m one of those photographers who only photograph when they’re working on something…keeps me sane :)))…and focused…on work: on work…on friends: on friends :))))

    more tonight…

    running
    bob

  1611. Jeff; Great stuff! It’s good to see you are taking critique in the right manner. You’ll only grow more by doing so! Onwards and upwards! :-)

  1612. Paul,

    Yes, “stuck” with the chunky 5DII. I thought about a GF1/20 combo, but just like the files from the 5DII so much I’ve stuck with it. The 28/1.8 is pretty small, but the 35/1.4 is big – I have to be very outgoing :)

    eva,
    never too late late late to post reportage! :)

    So I’ve been through American Color 2 several times now….I suppose next is the intimidating box containing Outside Inside….and then some time to actually get out and shoot this weekend!

  1613. Funny; went to bed last night and dreamed I was taking these amazing B&W street night photos. They were totally different to anything I’ve seen before and as I shot them they instantly appeared in a book! Crazy! The bugger was that I woke up and it was all a dream! But… it has made me keen to try and reproduce the “look” I must be getting obsessive… Is that good or bad?

  1614. American Colour looks amazing; it’s been on my wishlist at the Book Depository for a while. I’ve finally had my first look through Black Passport; that’s one book you can’t just flip through. I think I’ll be going back to that book repeatedly to absorb it all; and I know I’ll “see” new things each time…. It’s a pretty harrowing book. And Greene has a pretty “brutal” style…

  1615. Hey Bob (kiss to Marina),
    Can’t wait to read about this event in TO! Great you had some great times over there! Lucky you guys got to see some of DAH’s work, especially on the Outer Banks! (never have been and always wanted to!)

    Gordon, Justin, etc:
    Marwencol: yes the work is indeed pretty amazing, but the author’s story is even more! If you wanna see more about Marwencol and the guy behind it, you can check out the documentary (straight to streaming) on Netflix!

    New Yorkers:
    If you haven’t heard about NY photo fest (or you’ve been livng in a grotto somewhere), a slideshow tonight under the BK bridge in Dumbo (http://www.newyorkphotofestival.com/site/?page_id=16082). And a slideluck on saturday night (same place). Galleries open up everywhere, so join the party! http://www.newyorkphotofestival.com/site/?page_id=13318

    PS: DAH/ALL,
    Am I the only one out there wishing for a few more days to send work for the EPF?!?

  1616. ALL:

    BURN REPORT FROM TORONTO:

    Ok, all. I’ve just written a long comment for Katia’s picture, so I am not completely sure how much stamina I will have (first night home early since Monday) and I’m working on only 3 1/2 hours of sleep after teaching all today ’til 7, so will try, please bare with me.

    To begin with, I want to mention at the outset that David is a friend, a close part of my life and a real member of our family. There are only a few people (outside of my immediate family) that I would run ragged over to see after teaching all day/night to talk with, drink with in successive nights, but he is one of them. I point this out because it is important for people who read BURN and who have never met David or spent time with him to know that what draws me (and many others) to him has nothing to do with photography.

    David is a man of grace.

    Actually, I once described David (at Road Trip) as a beautiful lighthouse, because in the center of a room, amid 3 people or 30 people or 300 people he stands out towering, focused on all that surrounds him, listening and scooping up conversations, juggling his tall, sloping shoulders and his perpetually hung camera bag (I have never once seen david without a camera bag around his shoulder, even in the john in NYC, for god’s sake), scouting and scanning the room to pick up on both the vibe and direction of the content. He is a photographer but he is also a first class Ring Master. He is also a first class talker and by this I don’t mean a dilletante bullshitter, but a person who really is interested in and engaged with words and conversations. What I have always loved about david (on the phone, on skype, in person) is that he gets jones by conversation, he gets pony’d by sharing stories and ideas, by talking about work and photogrpahy and life and family and projects and women and life. He talks and laughs and talks and laughs, and always scanning. His energy is remarkable, an energy that is nothing if not a movement toward the living. As he reminded at his talk: that energy, that thirst for life comes from the polio-stricken child who looked out his small hospital window, out toward the street and new that is where he would be, that is where he wanted to be, out in the world….well, David Alan Harvey got off that fucking hosptial bed, got out of that room, broke over the disease and broke out of the room and broke out into the world, running…

    My friend David Alan Harvey is running and continues to this day, and damn if I didn’t have heart-fuel driven heart myself, I couldn’t fucking keep up with his galloping, and then sometimes I think (like Monday): no way, i can’t keep up. And that is a beautiful thing to witness and it never fails to inspire me, as a galloper myself.

    Enough for the preamble, the report:

    Sunday: Mothers Day–The original intention was to pick David up at the airport. I went back and forth with both he and Song (the Magnum coordinator) first thinking i’d meet him at the airport and then later realizing that if I were to keep my beautiful wife (yes Jeff, she is, but she’s got an even more husband…ummm, i mean heart ;))), i’d have to forego the airport for a late afternoon drink. Alas, Mothers Day’s running behind time, Marina and I were not able to meet David on his first day in (both of us disappointed, yours truly really disappointed. But as the Russian Proverb goes: the morning brings surprises)

    Monday: Day 1– I taught all day, until 5:30 and then raced to the bookstore to pick up my present for david (Phaidon’s Life Survey of my beloved Giacomelli, since I knew david didn’t have any of his books) and raced to see him. When I arrived at the hotel where he was staying, He was in the middle of texting to find out if I were coming (or breaking our date for the 2nd day in a row). He was sitting next to Song and across from Larry Towell and 2 young photographers. A big big hug and kiss and then gave him his present/book and off to the races. A great conversation about BURN and photogrpahy and books and life and catching up. David recounted how happy he was in Amsterdam with Anton, Eve and Thomas. In fact, I can’t tell you how much he loved Eve and Thomas and how much fun he had, especially on the canal. In truth, David looked even younger than when I had last seen him in person (more than 1 1/2 years ago). He was suntanned and beaming with joy. Later we were joined by Bruce Gilden and Eli Reed and Bruno Barbey and the young photographers from Boreal Collective who i’ve been mentoring and another great Canadian photographer Louie Palu. It turned out my friend Louie had never met david officially but once stole one of his hamburgers (was that in NYC or DC) and just went to show what real photographers really talk about: food and booze :)) (well and other things). A bunch of young photographers also came around as well as some of David’s former students, including Burn reader Doug Maclellan. It was a great great night….Great conversations with everyone….David was particularly in stride with talks about his new projects and ideas for burn, etc….spent alot of time talking about farms and war with Larry and Towell…

    and just before I lost all ability to speak a coherent sentence, I had my Bruce G moment. I must say too that I found Bruce not only straight up honest and brilliantly hilarious and completely unadorned, but one of the most gentle spirits I met all week. He’s got a great voice, great sense of humor and damn beautiful eyes: and I told him so. I switched seats with him and in a drunken stupor said, ‘man, bruce you’ve got incredibly beautiful,piercing eyes…and they look exactly like my grandmothers…’…at first he must have thought I was a freak, but i assured him i had a wife (beautiful, smart, kind at that) and then we had a great chat about nyc (lower east side) and albany….and then…i don’t remember much after than….

    TUESDAY: I missed Bruno and Bruce’ lectures as I had to teach late at night…

    WEDNESDAY:

    Marc D had an opportunity to talk to David and Song quietly and privately during the afternoon away from the maddening crowd. The three of them had a great time with private chats. I was very happy for that, since both are dear to me. In weeks when these kinds of workshops go on, it is impossible to do nything except really get some drive-by shooting style chat, but they were able to carve out some time for one another. Marina and I met David and Marc and Song early for the talks. Eli started and showed work that represented his entire oevre including recent work and pics from a recent trip to NZ. If you are not familiar with eli’s work, I recomment his monumental and magnificent Black in America. One of my favorite documentary books of the States: magical, profound and devine. A work that took 16 years to complete and worth every year. Eli also spoke of his work with the Lost boys of Sudan, work he’s done for an HIV FOUNDATION, as well his personal projects (conventions, Austin (where he teaches/lives), mongolia, brazil park, etc). What I loved so much about Eli’s talk was his commitment to his students and the beautiful ease with which he spoke, with humility and grace and an extraordinary sense of rhythm. A gambol really, a walk around the park with someone who not only loved photogrpahy but more importantly loved BEING WITH YOU when making pictures/telling stories. He also showed some of his work on films and spoke of the nature of seeing/not seeing and how he approaches this with his students (in workshops and in Austin). My wife was popping up and down with excitement after his talk.

    Eli’s talk was followed by David’s

    David is a born leader and a born teacher. It is obvious to everyone who knows him how much passion David has for life, for family, for photogrpahy, for women, but his charisma is a rare rare thing. It is NOT the charisma of someone famous and accomplished (though he is that too) but of somehow who simply radiates belief, radiates being-alive. David is not a Rock Star, David is a cowboy and a surfer and a guitar player in a traveling band: he has THAT charisma and it inspires. What is so evident when listening to David when he is giving a talk (i cannot call it a lecture, for it is really like a hoedown, it is really like a dance, and he dances when he watches photographs, including his own), is the passion he wants to share, how electric picture taking is for him and his life. I say that, not as a friend, but as a fellow teacher, a person who talks alot about photography and teaches picture taking and tries to help. David’s style and his love for living is infectious and it inspires everyone, and it always inspires me. When he’s showing his work, that’s the narrative: not necessary the specifics of something (though he talks that too) but the arc o fhis life: that his work is a reflection of his life’s trajectory….and he fucking dance in the wings.

    He opened up with the magnificent film that he and his son are working on and that his son Bryan harvey shot. I told Bryan today how magnificent it looked on the big screen. This introduced his Rio project. He did not show any photographs from Rio (as they are embargoed since they’re part of the project to be published later) but he did talk about ideas that he had stirring. David: PLEASE follow you heart on this one. I think the Rio project can/will be equal (and opposite) to Divided Soul, for all the reasons I mentionned on Monday. This IS the project you need to get finished, cause it is the Who you Are! After david spoke about Off for a Family Drive (his book on American families born of the idea of a book he’d made when he was 14 for his grandparents about the Harvey Family) and showed pics from that series. He also showed some ‘sketches.’: short projects that he’s thinking of and shooting, a cahier if you will. Love Hotel and his project, inspired by his Phaidon editor, about his love of Women. I loved the Women project and thought it contained some of the best photogrpahs of the night, and some of my favorite recent dAH pictures are in this project. David, as I mentioned today, i think this is a project (along with solitary children) that I do hope you consider seriously, as in the end, we are only the photographers we are because of who we are. David is a world class lover of women and that shows in both the ache and the joy of how and who he photographs women. It is an ache for the living and if he ever completes it, i’d put it next to Divided Soul…even if the entire world didn’t take this kind of project serious…dAvid: look at what Gicomelli did with faces too….He showed work from Divided Soul…he showed the great Multi-media Film he and Anton created for LOOK3 last year and spoke about BURN and it’s importance and it’s legacy. He spoke about all you and how much the magazine is growing, his own ideas for its evolution and for his hope to continue to give back to the younger generation. He then closed his talk with his OBX stuff….although he called it just from the jeep window photography, there was some gorgeous images there….like all david’s worked: defined by a love of his family and home….

    After the lecture, off to the hotel for more long conversations, drinking. I met a lot of BURN readers and a lot of the Magnum students. Lots of great talks. Again, spent a lot of time with Larry talking about farms and how to buy a place outside of toronto. Bruno was so incredibly gentle and thoughtful and was incredibly gracious to Marina. If I make a point of talking about these guys, it is I hope to remind readers that these guys while successful, never belittle and in truth are among the friendliest and nicest guys i’ve met in the business. I have often been incredibly disillusioned with the photoworld and have always made it a point to help and reach out and try to be bob, and these Magnum guys really care about their students and are really just like anyone else…only their portfolio’s are just thicker with successful pics….but what i hope is conveyed is that the inspiration is not only for picture taking, story telling but for living well with others and treating people lovingly and openly. All of these guys have done this all week…and I cannot think of anything great to say….

    later in the night, i met up with Frank Hack (another former student of david’s who’d just returned from the JUKE MISSISSIPPI workshop)…..

    and then of course Jeff!….Jeff, like david, is tall and full of life. But what i LOVED about Jeff is that he reached out for a hug when we first met (my usual m.o. too) and that he was so funny and kind and really really filled with unpretentious and open-hearted conversations…a smart guy who likes to talk not for talk-sake but because he is so animated by life….and i just loved being around him….a really nice guy, a guy with a great big laugh and a guy who really likes people…now, i don’t know what you did to piss off bruce so much, but let’s remedy that on friday or saturday ;)))

    ok, i’m exhausted…and i don’t think anyone will read this….but, that’s the week…no pictures…i never photography stuff like this…i’m there for the people, not for the picture taking…

    and man, it is bittersweet….it was great to see my friend…to see everyone…but i am so tired now….

    and i just feel sad that it was so short….

    DAVID: from dima: what’s up, you didn’t come to dinner ;)))))

    FLY SAFE DAVID…call u in the AM….

    we miss u already…and we love u too…

    obx….:)))

    ok, i’m off to bed

    hugs all around
    bob

  1617. a civilian-mass audience

    don’t change this BURNING dial…BURN is BURNING…

    I see reports…BUT I am out of range…

  1618. leaving Toronto this afternoon, right after i assemble the student slide show for the big event tomorrow evening…the works from students from Magnum mentors Larry Towell, Bruce Gilden, Chien Chi Chang, Eli Reed and yours truly..i must leave Toronto a bit early and plan to make at least the last hour of my opening show at Open Shutter Gallery in Durango, Colorado…of course i made this show happen because this is an opening my 91 year old mother can attend along with my sister and her family…i think bad if i miss my own opening with mom waiting! tomorrow night a presentation in local venue in any case…then just a few days hanging with family and decompressing after this Amsterdam, Toronto, Durango blitz…all along seeing good work for Burn…we will publish the best of this Magnum student work right here i think…back here to go over all comments by sunday…

    cheers, david

  1619. Civilian:

    Dateline Toronto: We are all on our own Thursday. No lectures, lunches or lagers with fellow students. We wait exhausted in class for the wedding photographer to process his early morning barbershop opus, still RAW. Gilden gives us a hall demonstration of his technique, and then riffs on his “Cell-phone Story”, unpublished, hilarious and so much funnier than his Rat one. Thrown in the comedy, he mentions that in dangerous situations he becomes his most calm. The secret reveals itself!

    Still waiting for the barbershop, we view via Google Bruce’s favourite photos of others. His criticisms of their work indicate to me his unflailing perfectionism (though most don’t see it in his) – as if he had been talking of mine. In street photography everything is a matter of inches and seconds. He repeats it is only, only about knowing where to plant your feet, and when to press the shutter. That’s it. He has pared down our class experience to the basic elements of the creative process and has re-aligned the way I look at the photographic plane. New eyes see sharper, far more objectively too. As this my number one goal for the workshop experience, the nut has cracked!

    Day Four: Getting closer with those extra inches…that little distance…is where all the Gilden is. Toss out the ease of management by objectives. Work!

  1620. JEFF…

    i do indeed look forward to the work you produce in the Gilden class..sorry to miss the big show, but i will indeed be looking at the show soonest to see which photographers will be published on Burn..i surely hope you are one of them…and so sorry we had no time to chat…we were both focused on different planes….next time..

    just saw your note..i will look for you…must leave at noon…we are in room 508….we will make it!!

    cheers, david

  1621. a civilian-mass audience

    hiii…I am back…Damnit…I don’t know why did I ask for reports…?
    I am a slow reader …just started BOBBY’S second paragraph…
    BUT I see EVA and JEFF and…
    a room 303…508…:))))))))))))

    WE WILL MAKE IT…yes,of course, there is no other option available!

  1622. Bob B:

    Wonderful post. You said it all, brother, and said it just right, too.

    “David is a man of grace.”

    So sorry Toronto didn’t make it onto the agenda for me this week – will be in Montreal next week and also in July, and perhaps Toronto later this summer…

  1623. a civilian-mass audience

    WOOWWW…whatever ANDREWB said…!!!

    and JEFF…you Do report and yes,the nut has cracked and since you are not allergic…
    you are on your way to find Your Visual Voice !!! Go JEFFY;)

    EVA…you BURNIAN lady,you never late when you deliver these photos…rock on VIVA!

    BOBBY…3rd paragraph and I am enjoying every sentence!

    ROSSY…you know the answer…

    TANGUY…focus,you can make it…

    YES, MY BURNIANS…you are ALL one of a kind, special people,Unique…I am missing so many others
    BUT I know you are ALL out there…

    SAFE travels to ALL…BURNIANS,POSTCARDS,KICKSTARTERS…the journey,THE Journey…

    P.S IRLAKAKY skype session is due,IMANTS same for you …;)

  1624. David,

    Very excited for tonight’s opening and the Divided Soul lecture on Saturday! Hope you have safe travels and will see you tonight. Lookin’ forward to it!

    It is a busy time of year, burning the candle at both ends, and some midnight oil to boot…working on EPF submission. The countdown begins!

    Cheers, Jeremy

  1625. a civilian-mass audience

    BURN is BURNING…

    CHARLES…GO CHARLES…!!!

    MR.HARVEY…GO DAH !!!

    POSTCARDS FROM AMERICA…GO MAGNUMS!!!

    EVA…GO VIVA!!!

    Civi…GO DONKEY !!!

    ALL of you out there …GO UNIVERSE…!!!

  1626. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,before I go…

    I have to say THANK YOU to MR.HARVEY…to ANTON, to the BURN CREW…to ALL the BURNIANS…
    to ALL the DONORS…
    to ALL the silent readers
    To KATIE FONSECA,MyGRACIE,DAVIDB,PANOS,BOBBY,SPACECOWBOY…for believing…

    please,SUBMIT…and keep shooting…I LOVE YOU ALLLLLL

    the journey…yes,the BURNING journey…see ya soon in your big screens :)

  1627. DAH’s tweet: “Many emerging photogs accidentally skip history or referencing.Not at fault, just happens now with way of entering the craft.Eager to learn”

    Am hoping this will help! It is one week old, and a first ‘release’ as part of the DEVELOP Library.

    The DEVELOP Photo YouTube Channel is an educational resource which features interviews, profiles, lectures and films about photojournalism, fine art and documentary photography and photographers. The DEVELOP Photo YouTube Channel is a facet of DEVELOP Photo.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/DEVELOPPhoto

  1628. “Many emerging photogs accidentally skip history or referencing.Not at fault, just happens now with way of entering the craft.Eager to learn ”

    I was just re-visiting the work of Art Kane, one of my heroes of the sixties and seventies. Probably few young photographers are familiar with his work.
    http://www.artkane.com/
    There are no current books of his work, but this is still available used http://www.amazon.com/persuasive-image-Masters-contemporary-photography/dp/0690007833. The masters of contemporary photography was a great series published by Larry Shiller and included books on Leibowitz and Mary Ellen Mark, Duane Micheals, Fusco and McBride, Erwitt and others. These are all available used through Amazon I just notices.

  1629. Ross…

    I think it’s OK and good to dream of photography. I’ve never dreamed yet…though I dreamt once I was running. Anyway there are lots of artists you use their dreams as a means of inspiration.
    BTW i’m experiencing same problems as you were with colour need to change to BW, lots of images spoilt by some awful coloured object.

  1630. I’ve never understood why photographers don’t study color theory, or at least skim it for the useful bits. Some people, such as David for example, understand it unconsciously, but most of us not so much. Still, it’s something anyone can learn and it will help your color photography. When you get a bit of grounding, check out Klee.

    Similar thing with those “horrible” open spaces before the subject. Learn to embrace them. They are beautiful when properly realized.

  1631. Gordon, thank you for the Art Kane link. Just viewed the “Music” gallery on his website – amazing! Will go back and view the rest….

  1632. “Postcards from America” …………yea a bit provincial and ordinary for some that live outside the States. A bunch of mates chatting and alien to all but a small minority…verging on boring

  1633. Well Imants, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I personally don’t care which country a photographer is from…

    I won’t argue with your statement: “verging on boring”… I’ve been watching for 40 minutes now and the slideshow laptop is just now finally up-and-running… glad I’ve got beer :-)

  1634. Paul;

    It’s really only been this one location where I’ve had a few problems getting the colour sorted. I’ve decided to shoot predominately colour; but if it’s a BW shot then I’ll take it. Just gotta work harder and know that I’ll get fewer keepers.

    The good thing is that the farm is only 26kms from my house so I can get one or two good shoots in per week and still shoot other stuff. I showed my friend the first edited images and he was really happy; so that’s a good start. I really want to shoot it “warts and all” and they are sweet with that (as well as do justice to their story/lifestyle)

    As for dreaming; I’ll it take as an unexpected bit of inspiration :-)

  1635. MW; “I’ve never understood why photographers don’t study color theory” Some of us do!

    Justin; “glad I’ve got beer :-) “A true “Homer Simpson-ism”! :-)

  1636. Justin it is not what country it is just just Europeans photographerstend tpo present a more diverse sensibility. Same thing happens here on Sydney Australia. I went and saw a heap of work on the Head On Festival here, very trend orientated and one dimensional in nature, no wonder it got very limited press time. This is a pity as we desperately need a live and diverse photographic community here, we have the diverse cultural mix but seem to lag well behind other cities in Australia and the world.
    ……………. provincialism is a formidable foe.

  1637. Imants, thank you for your reply – I now understand what you mean. Not a lot going on my local scene, but the art & music seem to be a bit formulaic… especially the music.

    I do thrive on variety… whether I like the work or not, diversity is very stimulating to me.

  1638. I do lament the homogenization of the US… no matter where one travels, you tend to see the same restaurants, gas stations, Wal-Marts. I would be lying if I didn’t say that I have a secret desire that rising fuel costs will make chain stores non-competitive with Mom & Pops that source goods locally.

  1639. Speaking of color and space, here’s a walking around photo from yesterday, taken with the toy camera. Man, I sure need to upgrade my walking around camera. Any comments on the sigma dp2’s? I find myself wanting one, even though I’m not overly impressed with any of the sample photos I can find on the internet.

    Regarding provincialism… Everyone’s provincial. It’s part of being human. Unless the alternative is shallow…

  1640. mw
    Hey, I used to teach colour theory to second year photography students at Vancouver Community College twenty years ago. I’m afraid that colour theory, like composition theory, and art history are largely things that are applied after the fact to artwork. While there is no doubt that an awareness of these things influence us when actually making photographs, photographs just happen spontaneously.

  1641. Looks as if some of you are here online…if you have time, could you do me a favor and poke around the site I just linked to http://www.youtube.com/user/DEVELOPPhoto and let me know if it makes sense to you? Also – please let me know if there is an organizational page (like the ones I have listed for Magnum In Motion, Open Society Foundation etc.) clearly missing in your opinion. Am still adding photogs, I know there are some great ones missing.

    Thank you for your help if you have a few minutes.

  1642. mw I have a DP1s………bought it dirt cheap along with a GF1 (unwanted toys)……the camera has its moments good for limited palette colour stuff. Slow, a pain to use but for a couple of hundred it was a good deal.

  1643. mw colour theory is still alive here in Oz in all levels of education……….. just isn’t presented in the dry form of the past

  1644. Glad to hear about color theory, and I’m not surprised, so I should have said more photographers instead of just photographers. And I know you’re aware of it Imants, but didn’t know it was part of the curriculum in oz. Hey, it’s no secret. American education sucks for most of us.

    Gordon, I’m sure photographs just happen spontaneously for everybody some of the time and most people most of the time and some people some of the time, but certainly not for all of the people all of the time. Often there’s some thought behind it as well as instinct. I imagine we all think about color or shades of grey and light and spatial relationships and have grappled with those challenges for many years if we’ve got to the photos just happen spontaneously level. I’m not there yet.

    I’ve been looking closely at your x100 gallery and have passed it on to others and had discussions. Thanks for putting it out there. Not sure it would work with my style. I just want something I can put in my pocket and develop in such a way as to blend with my Canon photos. But I admit it’s enticing

  1645. And actually, the photo I linked to is a perfect example of an unspontaneous photo. My thought process was Light –> Color –> Spatial considerations –> Hey, there’s a kid over there running back and forth, can I catch him at the point of light? Not saying that it’s a great photo or anything, but a little interesting as an exercise maybe.

  1646. emcd

    Yes, your DEVELOP Photo YouTube website sure works for me. Very user friendly, intuitive and filling a long-needed place in our online photographic library. For me personally, it was very special indeed to find a link to a YouTube video featuring The Annenberg Space for Photography in Los Angeles since I’ll be attending an opening of an exhibit there next week. Now I feel like I know what to expect.

    Brava to you for always thinking outside the box and manifesting your ideas in real time.

    Patrica

  1647. Here is a DP1 shot 400iso just a bit of sharpening, notice the muted colours …. http://www.etrouko.com/webenfreude.htm …..don’t use the sigma much but it will have a place eventually. Tried the fuji X100 great for high iso markets, small streets, tight spots etc, still need a fair amount of pp work for bnw as well as adding some zest to the colour …….lower isos pretty ordinary the panasonics/olympus/lower end canons/nikons match it there.

  1648. Imants
    Pretty pictures. The 1st (or second) photo, the one with the three figures,.. wonderful photograph.
    I’d be interested in how colour theory is presented now. I’m mostly familiar with colour harmony presented as triadic, analogous, complimentary, etc, grumbacher colour wheels, all that stuff. Good stuff mind you, just not something I think about consciously when making photographs.

  1649. We teach via the visual arts and ………
    The Structural frame is described as:
    • a world of sign systems and symbols sharing the universal structure of language.
    • artists who know about and make use of a formalist language and who represent ideas
    as a system of signs that communicate meaning.
    • artworks which use symbolic objects within the conventions of a visual language,
    material forms and motifs, representing ideas and communicating meaning
    • audiences as symbols and signs, meaning is coded within a formal structure of visual
    language.
    • viewing visual arts as a system of symbolic communication through which particular
    aesthetic forms of information are transmitted.
    • providing a visual language where meaning is accessible to those who are visually
    literate.
    • exploring conventions of codes, symbols and signs used in the making of artworks and
    how meaning may be embedded in the material as well as the conceptual organization of
    artworks.
    *In art making, students learn to construct artworks which communicate their ideas and
    interests about the world through the organisation of visual qualities as signs and symbols e.g.
    colour and compositional devices in painting, spatial relationships in sculpture, and the
    development of a personal language of representation.
    *In the critical and historical studies of art, students learn about the

  1650. mw
    re the x100
    For sure the Fuji does not “blend” with Canon photos, I am a Canon shooter and had trouble recently matching a Canon shot with a series of Fuji shots in a composite. I suspect I’d have the same trouble matching Nikon and Canon shots as well. Every camera has it’s own palette. The Fuji palette is very different from the Canon palette.
    If you have ever been a rangefinder shooter however, you would have a hard time walking away from the Fuji. The more I use this little camera, the more I adore it. I do keep adding to the gallery, and usually download the files full size. Here is last night, no light, iso 3200, f2, 1/8sec. This camera lets me shoot anything I can see.

    emcd
    I’ll spend some more time on the site. Congratulations and thanks for putting it out there. If I have any constructive thoughts I’ll pass them on.

  1651. Mw…

    My only humble advice is don’t buy one of those Canon G11 or G12, i’ve had a G10 for a while and been borrowing a G12 they are in someways marvelous but their quirks and defects are really awful and ruin the camera. I owned Gf1 for 48hours when they very first came out lovely camera…i don’t think you can go wrong with one of those or in fact a Gf2 which is even smaller.
    I agree with Gordon photography is spontaneous…if i see a promising photo all i know about colour theory won’t help me too much.
    I suppose depending on my mood or what i want to convey i could pick and choose locations or subjects/locations with certain colour palettes.
    BTW lovely image, really good.

  1652. Erica… thanks for Develop, will have a good look through it, and if I bump into something I know where to find you.. but shouldn’t you be workshopping right now?

  1653. Erica,
    briefly went through your YT channel yesterday, it all worked well. I didn’t have time to answer, but I’m glad to see so many interesting vids in one place (some I knew and lots I’ve never seen)! So it is already a great place to ‘study’, learn and get some insightful infos (not to mention creative ideas)!
    Thanks for the hard work! I’m sure you’re still working crazy hours on the website (can’t wait).

    Bob,
    I’ll be short: Thank you buddy!!

    CIVI,
    cheers for the ‘burn’ power, but I’m definitely not running fast enough to make up for a late late start ;)

  1654. BOB..

    taken a bit to read your comment.. thanks.. what David has said is fully reciprocated :)

  1655. Paul, you know many of the great photographers find a composition they like and then wait there until something happens inside of it. Sometimes for days. I forget who it was, I’m sure one of you can remind me, maybe Steiglitz, iconic New York photo where he stood in the same location over a course of days (long time anyway) until the moving elements came together.

    In walking around photography, I find color theory and other educational foundations to be useful in deciding whether to photograph a scene or not. I see interesting compositions everywhere pretty much all of the time. But most often, there’s something about the scene–light, color, extraneous objects, etc.–that tells me it would not make a good photograph. But when I see the light, color, and spatial considerations that I have reason to believe might work, I’m more likely to take the photo, or wait for something moving to come together in the scene. In the picture I linked to, for example, I consciously noted the reddish basketball goal against the green trees–complementary colors, simple as color theory gets–would provide some nice contrast on that side of the frame. If it had been a significantly different color, the picture wouldn’t have worked.

    Of course I noticed the light first. It was a beautiful late afternoon light. Although I think it works okay in the composition, the photo doesn’t begin to do justice to the actual light.

  1656. Erica, great work on the Develpphoto site. Yes, I think it would benefit from higher level organization in the right frame. People are typically put off by long, loosely (if at all) organized lists, and are more likely to flee without looking at anything. I’d consider trying to limit the categories so that a visitor wouldn’t have to scroll (in a normal sized window at least).

  1657. Gordon, regarding matching palettes from different cameras, the thing is, I can shoot the Canon in such a way as to match other cameras, including the Panasonic I walk around with, but I can’t get other cameras to match the style shoot with the Canon. Probably has more to do with sensor size and number and quality of pixels than camera make, though. The toy cameras just don’t capture enough quality information to all for a lot of adjustment.

  1658. Gordon, cont… Your shots from the X100 look like something I could probably work with. It seems to capture a lot of quality information. Hopefully, Adorama will rent them and I’ll try one out over some long Jewish holiday someday.

  1659. mw:

    For walking around/have it with you at all times, I love the Canon S95. Definitely shirt-pocket sized, good up to 400iso, acceptable at 800, 28-104 equiv lens that’s f/2 on the wide end….and if you already shoot Canon, fits right into the work flow with RAW or jpg. Latest Canon processor, and shoots 720p HD video as well. One drawback is it isn’t a larger sensor, even though it’s 10MP. If you need something with a larger sensor, GF1/2 is the way to go I think.

    One suggestion for it is to get the add-on grip thing by Richard franiac – makes it much easier to hold one-handed.

    emcd:
    Site is great – makes sense to me. somewhat agree with the comment about a few looser categories and not one long list – even I had a little voice in my head that said “I’ll never get through all this” as I was looking. But an awesome resource – nice job and a great idea.

    By the way – which part of Davidson’s work is near where you had your corner set up? Working my way through Inside Outside…

    Who else is in for C’ville this year?

  1660. Working backwards

    Andrew – it was Davidson’s Brooklyn Gang work. Our territories intersect by a few blocks. Though people usually associate that work with Coney Island, the kids’ home turf was on the edge of Park Slope.

    Tanguy – merci! and yes, you are right and to be clear to anyone else reading, the DEVELOP YouTube site is just one little arm of DEVELOP, but one which was manageable to put out into the world. the rest is coming, in due time.

    MW/Andrew – I see if I can do that – I was thinking of putting some things into categories like FSA – but I can’t nest folders inside of folders, so it won’t work for say, Magnum. That would make it more confusing. But you can switch to Grid view, which makes for much better browsing.

    Eva – what I should be doing is having fun at the photo fest. The weeklong workshop I am teaching doesn’t start till a week from now (thank goodness!)

    Gordon – great, thanks!

  1661. Mw…

    I know what it means to sit waiting for magic to whip it’s capricious wand around…done it for years out whilst shooting landscape photography, especially true when you’re using 8×10 film. But I’m convinced it finally turns ones hot and bubbly blood into water if you do it too much. These days I prefer to walk around…sorry I’m exaggerating limp around! :)). Probably one of the reasons I don’t sit around waiting is because the town I live in doesn’t get hit by too much magic light; large hill in the afternoon usually block the slowly setting sun all year long. The morning is better but I’m either feeding kids or heading off to school, besides it’s only any good at the local harbour, does get a little boring always the same fishing boat and damn hungry seagulls.
    As I wrote before I really like that photo of your’s any chance of paying some local guys to play a quick basketball match in that good light and try and get another magic shot?
    As I see you are fond of magic light or at least nice colours like I am, I’ve been looking at Constantine Manos’s American Colour which Andrew B reminded me about on Thurday I’m sure you’ll enjoy it… He also admits he sits around waiting…
    I spend a lot of time watching and waiting. The shooting is always done in the late afternoon when the light and the colours are right and I go back to places again and again. I will wait two hours for someone to come into a situation. I could go and offer a kid a dollar to walk over and do something, but I would never do that. I’m very true to the situations.

  1662. Emcd…

    Thanks for the great work you’ve done! I’ll probably start watching these videos very soon.
    BTW I’ve got here at home the whole Keith Carter and the other two documentaries Anthropy Arts made a couple of years ago…If you want and if we aren’t infringing any copyright issues I could copy them and send them to you so they could be uploaded to your YT site. Oh and the William Eggleston documentary directed by Michael Almereyda…

  1663. “Good photography is generally an extension of the photographer´s personality. If you show me 12 pictures by anyone of stature, I’ll tell you who took them. We’re talking about a box with a hole at the front, so how is it that somehow people can put a box in a certain place and press the button at a certain moment, and end up with something that’s distinctively their own. It’s not logical. It’s the miracle of photography. Everything about photography is subjective. If you have some sort of integrity, a point of view of your own and you are not being controlled by what someone else wants, then you have a chance of making significant work.”

  1664. Quick question…
    Is Paolo Pellegrin still shooting BW film or is he shooting digital and processing it into BW?

  1665. Thanks Erica! I figured it was Brooklyn Gang, but as I’ve only made it almost throguh book one, not sure if there was later work.

    And even if you can’t change the layout, keep up with the channel reference resource. You’ve probably completely filled my rainy afternoons :)

    One idea (for later, even)…you could create your own index page just pointing at the youtube videos…use youtube and vimeo and anywhere else as the “host” for content, and then just point at them….

    Paul/mw:

    I picked up on that same bit from Manos’ comments in American Color 2….he definitely stakes out a spot he likes. The one Paul quoted jumped out at me, and then a later one about one photograph I particularly like, one of a guy coming out of a (beer stand? booth?) drinking a beer…deep blue background…it’s on page 74, if you have the book…about it, he says “The shadow was creeping up the wall, and I was running out of time, until this man came along”. And another, about the image on page 137 taken in Miami Beach, with two sihlouettes on a wall and the reflection of a car windsheild, again, all blues and deep greens and black…and he says “I am pressed against a hot car, with traffic moving behind me. There is a half-hour window during which the figures going by on the sidewalk are in the shade and the sun is still bathing the colored wall.”

    I’ve got to start staking out more and not moving around so much and being in a “hurry”. Doing that, I’m just scratching the surface, I think.

  1666. Erica…very bummed I can’t be there for NYPH this year….last year was fun, especially with the SLPS outdoors – looks like it’s going to be great again this year. Go down there!!!

  1667. David
    “played with x100 in toronto…not as fast as my gf1”

    I was initially very frustrated by the camera for this reason. Slow start up, etc. It is a camera that rewards you for persistence however. I find myself tripping over it less and less after using it daily over the past few weeks. For example my index finger instictivly finds the shutter button and on/off switch as I am raising the camera to my eye, and I can actually feel the camera give a slight vibration when it turns on. You must also make sure the camera is in “quick start” mode.

    I’ve not compared the auto-focus speed to a GF1, although others have reported to be at least as fast.

    Many have suggested that the start-up speed improves dramatically with a fast card. I’ve ordered a Sandisk extreme pro card and will find out if it indeed does. The cards I’m using now have a 15mb/sec write speed, the new one will have 45mb/sec.

    What did you think of the x100 viewfinder? I noticed that you are using an optical viewfinder on your GF1, which one did you settle on?

  1668. Andrew B…

    I’ve got one of those moleskin notebooks I’ve had since I took up photography again… about 15 years ago. The book has dates and locations I’ve written down where and when the light is at it’s best at certain landscape places…
    For example… the second highest mountain on this island at sunrise between 15 Dec until round about the 12 Jan the mountain is bathed in the most beautiful alpenglow light. From then on after January the light never hits throughout the year. It may sound a little exaggerated but it always worked whilst I was shooting landscapes…I think I’ll try it out for other work!

  1669. Civilian:

    Dateline Toronto: As the centre of the Universe, this city is now in a state of dissipation for me. The work is done, the incredible class-time is over, the evening lectures are finished. David’s call-out was posted a minute after I turned off my only internet connection, and we missed each other. Sorry, Civilian…I laugh and cry at how our two ships have passed.

    I get to Kensington market early for morning street shots. I come with seven images in hand for Saturday’s essay presentation, and one more will max the 8 shot limit. After an hour, I think I got it. In class – devoted to final editing – I am reminded of the joy and importance of the essay format as Gilden slices and dices. (He had promised to be lightning quick, but it is beautiful to watch him wring everything out patiently and with great effort.) My eight get pared down to five. His eyes sparkle and then glisten when I tell him each were shot with only that day’s critique in mind; I think he appreciates my approach to work is worked on in different planes. On to group edit we go, our blood sugar levels dropping, and he is ready to throw a ball of paper at me when he sees that my title page uses an Antonioni quote from “Blow-Up”…the movie which started it all for him. Then he gets it and laughs; we both know that my essay as it is, is ALL about the mistakes and lessons of the week. Respect.

    David is correct: These workshops are about entering one’s discomfort zone, embracing failure, and relishing both. My plan to fail has succeeded – on that I get an A+ – and that my Maestro had to get to his discomfort level for my benefit absolutely astonished me.

    Day five: I entered this week as the oldest student, and leave feeling the youngest. New-born, emerged.

  1670. Paul… For me, the magic light thing in photography is akin to fresh powder skiing. It’s fun, it’s easy, you look good doing it—-but there are all kinds of conditions on the mountain. Real skiers ski in all of them. And the best have their greatest successes in the most challenging conditions. So I think it’s important to learn to recognize challenging lighting situations and figure out how to handle them, how to use them to visually communicate what’s special about a scene. From what you know of my work, the carnival light is a good example. It is very harsh and can easily come out ugly in a photograph. It took me years of struggling with that light before I learned to use it to communicate my vision of the event. Pretty much every assignment or project shoot is like that to some extent. The light is never textbook perfect and if it is the camera probably won’t capture it. You’ve always got to deal.

  1671. It was both fun and a little sad to see my pal,Jeff struggling with his workshop!His mentor and taskmaster made Jeff go to a new distance..Is he better? He alone knows. i wait to see the presentation. The one thing i’m thankful to Magnum lecturers,that when We(Jeff,Steve,Larry,Eloise,me it won’t feel the “Long March to China”! i’m lazy(!) and finding a spot that becomes my set awaiting the actors.
    Jeff’s work is stunning. One never be sad about flying higher.
    i shot at same area and found 2 images maybe 3 out of +240 with possibilities.

  1672. Oh, about dealing with challenging lighting, forgot to mention the possibility of simply changing it with your own light source. That’s another option.

  1673. “If you encounter someone thrusting an irritatingly lit match in your face, there’s no need to back away from it. A little puff will extinguish while holding ground. I’ll show how how in May!”
    Jeff Hladun, April 25, 2011

    Yes Jeff, with your workshop challenge you have proved to us all with your up to date “Toronto live right here right now” reporting you have the power and will to beat all obstacles! Well done, congratulations and thanks for the insight which has been so enlightening! :)

  1674. Eva…

    Thanks for the link to Paolo Pellegrin I am rather surprised he uses such physically large lenses. I wonder if he has changed to the marvellous M9 must be so much more subtle!
    As you shoot BW film do you notice anything that puts you off slightly with his digital BW?

  1675. Paul,

    Reality is that you can buy three 5D Mkll’s for the price of 1 M9 and when you’re not
    using the zooms they’re not terribly huge.
    I have a pretty decent complement of lenses for mine, for various needs, but for a lower profile
    walkaround duo I use a Zeiss 28 f2.0 and a Zeiss 50 f2.0

    The M9 is sweet but every time I’ve used them there’s always been a problem of one sort of another
    from color shift across the frame with most wides to going from 80% charged to dead in minutes with
    no warning.

    The camera needs a few more firmware updates to sort out the most prevalent concerns and is,in my
    mind, still a work in progress.

    For digital conversions to black and white I’ve been using a software called Exposure from Alien Skin.
    I don’t have a lot of experience with black and white film but I find their profile, “Tri-X pushed 1 stop”
    gives a much more tactile feel to the BW conversions.

  1676. Mark
    Just spent some time cruising your site. I’m always amazed by your range, and your chops.

    Yes, I like my 5d11 too, but, as a guy with back issues, still yearn for the days of compact slrs. My old Pentax MEsuper with a 40mm pancake lens is only slightly bigger than my tiny fuji x100. Here is the 5d11 next to a 60s era Pentax S1a. http://www.pbase.com/glafleur/image/117686412
    Puleeze, somebody, make a compact full frame slr.

  1677. Thanks Gordon. Have a new site launching soon

    FWIW, there is a very good,modern 45mm pancake from Nikon (originally sold as a kit lens with
    the FM3a) that works on a Canon body with an adapter.
    As well, Voigtlander,I believe, currently have 20mm and 40mm pancake lenses in their lineup that
    are available in Canon mount.

    Just came across this stat on a Kodachrome blog. Given the volume it’s surprising it’s gone.

    From December 26th to 1:36 PM on the 18th Jan, Dwayne’s Photo processed 20,564 rolls of 35mm, 3,565 of 8mm and 57,655 feet of 16mm Kodachrome motion and still picture film. The load was staggering, office Manager Krystal Smith Adams had replied to over 2800 emails since December 1st. But the film got done just like it always had until finally, the machine was shut down and then all went silent…..

  1678. Mark
    That was Kodachrome`s dying gasp. Day to day in previous months, I`m sure the roll count was very low. One of my good buddies owned one of the last surviving small independent one hour photo labs in Canada. His roll counts went from hundreds a day, to dozens, to less than 10. He was one of the last to go down. Even Costco has stopped processing film, at least in my area. For better or worse, film is dead. (sorry film burners).

    PS I have an adaptor for using pentax lenses on Canons, which works OK, but would still rather just have a more compact sytem overall. Modern full frame dslrs are ridiculously huge. Even the Leica M9 is big compared to an m6, and certainly to a screw mount Leica. Is there really any reason why a full frame dslr or rangfinder can`t be more compact.

  1679. a civilian-mass audience

    tick-tock…BURN is HOT
    film is gone…
    you have to move on.
    Time to release the demons
    you hold
    find your voice
    you too should Evolve
    BURN is HOT
    Revolution is ON…!!!

    Your civi
    OOO

    P.S…I love you ALL…as JEFF says…MY “New-borns, emerged” BURNIANS…!!!
    I will be back…

  1680. Paul…

    It could very well be Paolo Pellegrin uses an M9 now, since he used the M system when shooting film..

    http://www.enterworldpressphoto.org/editie8/master_class.php?hilow=

    he’s doing the Magnum Postcard roadtrip right now, perhaps Panos knows..

    PANOS???

    What puts me off (generally, not specifically related to Pellegrin’s photographs) is that blueish noise in colour, the only real quirk I have with digital files.. other two picture killers (in a negative way) for me are all in focus from front to back pics, and superclean images, but you can get those both with film (which is not dead, sorry Gordon) and digital. And of course there are exceptions to these, it always depends…

  1681. paul treacy had a viewfinder malfunction on his x100.. seems to have repaired okay, according to his blog..
    still..
    x100 RAW analysis has been done now, and it beats the M9..
    although the eos 5d from 2005 still gives them a run for their money, being only marginally worse than the x100, and better than the M9..
    http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Camera-Sensor/Compare/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/640|0/%28appareil2%29/695|0/%28appareil3%29/176|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Leica/%28brand2%29/Fujifilm/%28brand3%29/Canon
    if yer a pixel peeper, film is still the way to go in terms of whack for yer buck..
    i still much prefer the predictability and possibilities film lends..
    shooting rangefinder again for the first time in ten years, there is no way i would buy an M9.. yet i don’t think either the M9 or the x100 has been marketed as a serious working tool.. just too many limitations in terms of shooting for clients.. perhaps more a camera bag luxury for those with the money and those with substantial ‘other’ incomes.

  1682. i mean limitations creatively.. possibilities are there for when needed, yet a DSLR.. d700. 5d ii.. blows any digital rangefinder out the water as a working tool.

  1683. anyway.. it doesn’t matter..
    my sharpest work of late has had to be shot on a crappy pocket lumix, for one reason or another..
    next in line has been my film rangefinder..
    DSLR has pretty much stayed at home.

  1684. David bowen.
    Me too. Looking at a 5dmkII and a pile of L’s Sitting on shelf here. Never get used except to teach basic cinematography now and again. D2x is out on loan somewhere too.
    Film cameras get used all the time.

    Gordon. Film is far from dead. It is just not the mainstream solution anymore.

  1685. Mtomalty…

    I know a 5dII with a 28mm usm lens is “small”. But Pellegrin was quoted with saying he used this 35mm lens and this 50mm lens…
    http://digitalcameraworld.com.au/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=859
    http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/lenses/images/50mm-f12/product/DSC_6426-rebel.jpg
    Neither of them are small!!:) Neither is your Zeiss 50mm f2.0 Makro Planar small or subtle :))! Although it is the best 50mm lens I’ve tried up until now. I finally chose the Sigma 50mm f1,4 after smashing on a tiled floor my Canon 50 f1,4. I went through them all…the local camera shop owner owed me a few favours and I was allowed to take home all the 50mm lenses available on the market for Canon. :)))))))))))))))!! I tried both Zeiss 50s, all three Canon 50s, the Sigma and the Voightlander 40mm. The Sigma is incredibly good and I know Sigma produce a lot of crap but they really made a gem with this lens. Only bad point is it’s just too big. I’m sure if I’d known I would of stopped working with a tripod I would probably got another Canon 50 f1,4 although it’s a bit out of date or the Voightlander.

  1686. I have an adaptor for using pentax lenses on Canons, which works OK
    Gordon…
    Have you any link or address? I’m interested in trying out my 50 f1,4 Pentax lens on my 1dsII or perhaps an adaptor for my Fm3a.
    Gordon film is far from dead. We film shooters are quite safe as long as Hollywood keeps on using film and no there is no immediate plan for Hollywood in changing because this would mean all local cinemas updating equipment. Anyway I’ve got this theory film is going to come back in a very strong way in the next five or six years…do you know how many people are losing family digital images on their broken or corrupted hard disks? I know three families who have lost at least six years of family images, they’ve all gone back to shooting film and all point out what crappy images their shitty digital point shoot was making!! The average person can’t be bothered with uploading to some remote hard disk and shouldn’t be bothered either, they aren’t photographers. Not everyone has a calibrated printer at home or bothers to get their digital files printed or organized properly with some program. They just want some nice photos to remember what their kids looked liked 10 years ago!! Try and find in the next 10 minutes someone who’s got a VHS video to watch some family videos you filmed 15 years ago!! It’s pretty hard!! I’m sorry, I prefer film for important and treasured memories and I don’t feel like being in the hands of Steve Jobs or Bill Gates who sometime in the near future will make my USB hard disk redundant and once again I’ll have to catch up with the latest technology to keep my digital files safe.
    Anyway there is something very magical about looking at a 6×7 contact sheet or of course 35mm Tri-X contact sheet which Adobe Bridge or Lightroom can’t equal!!

  1687. David Bowen…

    I knew someone would say that!!:))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    I promise I just wrote the canon model in google and searched for an image and I saw Rockwell’s photo and I did doubt it for a second and then I just laughed!!

  1688. I have it on good authority that there were good times and much tequila consumed last night in Durango. I’ll let others provide their “report”for Civi!

  1689. a civilian-mass audience

    yeap,MICHAELK…I left the BURNING tent for a day…
    and I what do I see…tech-talk !!!

    Don’t get me wrong…I love Tech-talk…you are photographers afterall
    BUT,BUT…
    I feel weird today…hmmm…

    BURNIANS…WOW me…:)!!!

    P.S…back to our regural program! and please,WOW ME:))))))))))

  1690. DAVID B.

    Don’t knock the M9 until you try it. Alas it has it’s quirks and quality control problems (though mines been fine in a year and a half of use) and there’s the price. But the files have a certain quality to them that blows away Canon/Nikon equivalents. It’s the CCD sensor with no anti-alias filters. Gives a very rich image and the closest to shooting slide film one can get imo. Of course with an M you can’t do close-ups, long telephoto work, autofocus, or 50,000 iso etc etc but for everything else it’s just about the perfect camera. And beware of tests – the only true test is the eye. And the M9 has “it.”

    Best,

    Charles

  1691. Paul
    You can find the adaptors for less than twenty bucks on ebay. Make sure you get the ones with the focus confirmation chip. http://cgi.ebay.ca/AF-Confirm-Pentax-PK-Lens-Canon-EOS-EF-Mount-Adapter-/320436823673?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9b85e679
    If you are using a Pentax lens on a full frame Canon, you need to trim or remove the aperture lug on the back of the lens as the mirror will hit it otherwise. I just snip it off with a side-cutter.

    Film burners, yes, I know film is not really actually dead, just semi-retired. I’m actually planning on shooting some soon, and have recently re-purchased a developing tank!
    l’m sure you can still buy buggy whips too if you know where to shop:))

  1692. ok….
    i’m jumping over here to post this link…..
    after reading David B’s amazing post under Katia’s photos, I want to share something……
    Here is my dear friend, Chris…..
    we dated in high school….
    almost 30 years ago…
    and then he had an accident……
    we are still close…
    he is MY inspiration…….
    His mantra,
    ‘its not what happens to you, its what you do with what happens to you…..’
    ***
    http://www.one-revolution.com/

  1693. EVA, Paolo, uses a lot of different stuff…i assisted him on the “illegal immigrant story” he did in SA…
    He used mainly the 5D for video, special techniques with strobes (which i was holding under his instructions) and a mag light…
    Leica S2, and everyone knows how much he loves the point and shoots with retractable (flip around) screen for shooting from the knee..

  1694. but let me say one more thing…In the story that i assisted…he gained permission, press release etc…therefore the size of camera made no difference…now, when he is in the war field, and trying to be “invisible”, then size matters!

  1695. All,
    im working on a multimedia show, photos and iphone video , mainly around Paolo and Jim Goldberg, so you all see how they work on the field..be patient, stay tuned, im just awaiting permission for what i can show, and on what i cannot…etc..blah ..blah..
    hugs

  1696. Jim Goldberg (which i assisted the second day) also used 5D for VIDEO (which i will show u a clip soon, of how i was instructed to use his baseball hat to create shadows)..but his MAIN THING/LOVE is polaroids…he loves mixing his own chemicals, so the first night after i picked him up from the airport, we had to visit some convenient stores to buy strings, buckets, ice…blah blah..sulfite etc…and his little Lumix always with him…

  1697. btw…i shot some photos with Leica S2..and if / when im allowed i will post some S2 tests so the tech gurus here can make their own opinions about its raw files ..blah blah…

  1698. http://kathrynfinkartblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/photography-graciela-iturbide-el-bano.html

    PAUL THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU…
    u know im obsessed with FRIDA KAHLO

    “Graciela Iturbide
    Frida Kahlo’s home (Casa Azul)
    Graciela took these photographs in her bathroom. The reason, I heard, that he did this is because that is where she did most of her deep thinking and reflecting. Frida would, supposedly, spend a lot of time in her bath to fight the infections on her leg and foot and also to sooth the pain from the many back medical procedures had. Frida had a famous piece “What the water gave me,” which was painted in the tub you see in these photographs.
    Not only do I think that these photographs capture who Frida Kahlo was… but the delicate and beautiful parts of her and her difficult life. “

  1699. When it comes to cameras; we can talk about them til we’re blue in the face but it all comes down to just getting out there and keeping on shooting.

    I don’t know if anyone’s seen the National Geographic doco; – “Vietnam’s Unseen War: Pictures from the Other Side” by Tim Page? I often think of it when I have a bout of “camera lust” coming on. Thinking what those North Vietnamese photographers did with a beaten up Praktika, a 50mm lens and only a few rolls of film (the film had to last a looooong time) is always humbling.

    I’m always fascinated how they developed their own films (outside on a dark night) in a saucer (for a tea cup) and hung them overnight up to wash in a stream. I know it’s an extreme example of “use what you have” but it’s a doco that’s well worth a watch.

  1700. “Someone asked him what camera(s) he used, and he (Don McCullin) said “My camera is here” – pointing at heart- “and here” – pointing at his head…”

  1701. Ross… U nailed it! That’s what DAH told me once too..
    The camera is YOU!
    A great race car driver can win with any car!
    That’s why there’s minimal gear talk here!
    “we” know better than that, though I think it’s valid the questions I’ve be asked by fellow burnians earlier about the gear the Magnum kids use I assisted this week..
    Can I be honest with ALL?
    most photogs (magnum included) USE CAMERAS THAT THEY ARE GIVEN FOR FREE..
    They are been sponsored (cameras to be tested)..and usually have to return them back at some point..
    So yes.. Life is an endless commercial…

  1702. Same here bro!
    And I love GORDON’s reviews (and anyone else’s here btw).. etc
    Big hug
    (actually I’m more interested on quirks or glitches on cameras than just plain commercial praises etc..blah blah..)

  1703. wendy..

    that’s fantastic.. brilliant, perspective-building, stuff…
    i remember patricia once mentioning here that when people call her brave she found it strange.. or similar words.. because to her she is just herself
    so perhaps brave is too much of a projection.. just as ‘inspiring’ may be too much weight to put upon somone..

    i’d certainly like to have a few beers with the guy .. character !
    :o)

    charles..
    i know you love M9.. and i like the idea of the extra sharp pixels quite a bit too..
    maybe obsolete in a year or two but what the hey ..
    send yours over and i’ll give it a bash.. hohoho..

    til then i’ll buy film for my rangefinder when i need that “velvet media” look..
    the camera does not break and the resulting film strips resolution is unbeatable, as well as “future-proof” with regard to digital advances
    :o)

  1704. I’ve been following Gordon’s reports too; was pretty keen on picking one up at some stage. But them the laptop crapped out on me; so back to square one now after getting a new one, Priorities; you know? ;-)

  1705. We are all photogs.. We need to talk about gear from times to times .. Yes..
    And that what us BURN all about.. Anyone is welcome to say whatever they want..
    Cameras or Chickens etc..
    FREEDOM OF SPEECH
    (that’s what Maestro David Alan Harvey brought on the table, and not only)
    Freedom of speech..
    FREE VENICE BEACH
    DEFEND VENICE!!!
    and as the “dyslexic” civi said:
    What’s not to love!!!???

  1706. “When it comes to cameras; we can talk about them til we’re blue in the face but it all comes down to just getting out there and keeping on shooting. ”

    of course – procrastination surfaces in many forms..
    talking spanners, nuts and bolts is only one :o)
    my apologies..

  1707. Yep Ross the club/collective/mates syndrome is alive and well in Oz……..our mob verses their mob, our place is better than your place, we have all sorts of competitive clubs here opera, art football, baloney. We love the city vcity stuff and hate anyone who does well as a solo performer ………….

  1708. When canon sends me a free camera I’ll be a “canon guy”
    When nikon sends me a free camera I’ll be a “nikon guy”
    Same with Leica , pentax, mentax, chentax, lobo, hobo, tomo, promo.. U name it!
    It’s all a game!
    Just go out and shoot and that’s all that counts..
    Good light y’all …

  1709. Ross the X100 is /has been overrated………… great camera to use, results are flat and need a fair amount of pp work. High isos always flatten images as especially in the shadows. Having said that it does a great job in the twilight zone with pp

  1710. Imants; Provincialism is still alive and kicking here too, regrettably… I’m also surprised how clique-ish the photographer gallery world is here too. But maybe I shouldn’t be. Whereas the artist (painters) gallery world seems to be more encompassing and open; even to the non-painters (like me!).

    But then again; maybe that’s because I’m not competing for their (the painter’s) grant money etc? Not that I’m competing with the gallery photographer’s grants either; but they don’t know that….

  1711. Imants
    The x100 jpg output is flat if you choose to set the dynamic range option to auto or over 100. It looks flat because of the extended dynamic range. The resulting jpgs respond to post processing better than any I’ve ever experienced. I quick curve adjustment does wonders while holding an amazing amount of highlight and shadow detail.
    However, if you leave the dynamic range option at 100, jpg output looks pretty normal. There is also a lot of ability to change to look of your jpg output with the film simulation options, and highlight and shadow options. For example the jpg output in Velvia mode is anything but flat(too contrasty for my taste).
    In any case, when shooting RAW, output can obviously be anything you want it to be.

  1712. HAIK…. PANOS….. ANTON….
    Thank you soooooo much for the help today…..
    what an amazing community BuRN is…..
    truly…..
    everyone knew exactly where I was at….
    no explanations….
    so rare..
    so special..
    THANK YOU!!!!!
    ***

  1713. Imants
    I just had a look at David Bowens link to the dxo lab site. Pretty much explains the “flat” look you experience. It shows the x100 sensor actually has more than two stops greater dynamic range than the GF1, and about 1 1/2 stops greater than an M9.

    My love/hate relationship with the Fuji has firmly turned towards loving it. Yes, she’s a bit quirky, but learning to embrace or at least ignore the quirks. This camera is a completely different animal from anything else, and is changing the way I approach making personal photographs. I’m thrilled to be shooting digital while viewing with an optical viewfinder. It’s been a long time since my M4-2 years. I love the size. Even if I could justify the cost, the Leica is too large for me to have with me constantly. The amazing image quality is a bonus.

    To all those who hate gear talk, sorry. I do know that I could still happily be using my original Canon Rebel for both making a living and personal work. In any given situation however, the photographs I make will be different depending on what camera is in my hand at the time.

  1714. Durango before Me…Cuba on my left.

    Vivid imagery stands off the red brick walls of the open shutter like a visual beacon.

    It is as if I am seeing these very images I know so well…for the very first time. David himself is highly impressed with the prints. Toronto. Amsterdam behind him, family time lies ahead. We are standing in the ambiance of Durango’s very own Open Shutter gallery in the midst of Divided Soul. David’s 91-year-old mother shoots me a quick, warm smile…a certain sharp, friendly twinkle in her eye.

    The night has passed, and another. The work has been introduced, digested…the stories have been told, new projects unveiled. Tequila sits before me. David leans in close…your gonna write about this right? Coronas. Fresh lime splatters the lens on my Nikon; pump up the iso…no need for flash. Not tonight. I am all about the moment – it feels good. We have collected a large ensemble of friends, family, curators and photographers…the best kind of company. Tawny in the background, drowning out so many wonderful conversations is the sound of Dylan.

    We, like Kerouac and Cassidy before us amble across the broad Colorado thoroughfare…common to each and every mountain town. The moon is full. We have lost a few fiends, gained others. New seats, round table, we are at the Strater Hotel, and another round is poured. Historical reference. The show was a success. A Divided Soul has brought us together.

    The Back Space theater- that was the venue. Small, comfortable…not withstanding the rough unfinished areas that such a stage requires. The marking of a classic loft, gallery, or otherwise artistic setting. David is nervous. Diligent sound check aside. High energy.

    David smiles, the buzz is on. Burn.

    David’s mother is front and center, sister at left, extended family either side, friends of family file in. Dean Conger takes an authoritive chair, and with him comes a certain presence. David is nervous. Did I mention his mother is in the front row. Energy rolls out like seawater, photographic escapism.

    Rio.Scicily.Off For A Drive.Cuba.Nirobi.Women.Tell It Like It Is.Back to Rio.

    I am lost in the imagery, the narrative carries me on. Alert. Thought provoking, high octane, visuals storytelling. This is a one of a kind showing, a hometown repeat from Amsterdam…the Director’s cut in Widescreen. Lights on. A Magnum performance. Burn gets the spotlight. Conger applauds.

    Back to the tequila, fast forward, the night rolls on. Headlights on the blacktop, a sleepy neighborhood greets David. Home.

    Burnians Burn On….

  1715. No it is not the dynamic range it is the high iso settings and not just the fuji, this yearning to turn night intio day flattens the results we end up with a drabness

  1716. Panos…

    Thanks… Paul, you’re following, right?… Panos..whenever you put up your pics and clips, can you do someplace else (like picasa?) also? In return I’ll see if they still have Iturbide’s book next time I’m in Zurich… :)

  1717. Thing is gordon..back in the day any rangefinder user worth his/her salt would have nailed that at 1/8 sec @800
    A simple one stop push for most low light stock.
    I shoot ultra low light all the time and rarely have to do more than a two stop push.
    This obsession people have with digital high iso is just laziness IMO.

  1718. This obsession people have with digital high iso is just laziness IMO……..not only that the results are very different,film operates on a very different playing field with both colour saturation and thy variables within the dynamic range.

  1719. Yes. Back to the stamp collectors in the winnebago
    Have they found an empty gas station on a deserted highway at dawn yet Panos?
    Maybe with an unmade bed in the parking lot?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    :)

  1720. Eva…

    Yes I’m following!
    Has “Suffering of Light, 30 Yrs of Photographs” arrived yet? Mine should be here today or tomorrow :))

  1721. a civilian-mass audience

    ok,WENDYYYY,PANOS,GORDON,PAUL,DB,JG JEREMYYYYY…ALL MY BURNIANS…ok,stop WOW ME…

    thank you…I wished for a WOW…and I got it…

    THANK YOU ALLLL…thank you MR.HARVEY…your mom,our BURNIAN MOM is rocking…

    I will be back…extremely busy…BUT I am following too…

    BURN is HOT!!!…

  1722. Alex Webb on life philosophy…
    I’ve never thought I did, but in recent years I’ve been very taken with the following from the sculptor Henry Moore at the end of a long, productive life:
    “The secret of life is to have a task, something you devote your entire life to, something you bring everything to, every minute of the day for the rest of your life. And the most important thing is, it must be something you cannot possibly do.”

  1723. “When it comes to cameras; we can talk about them til we’re blue in the face but it all comes down to just getting out there and keeping on shooting.”…Ross Nolly

    It’s been a very long time since I hung out here in the Dialogue section of Burn, but, trust me, I have been burning! Shooting, shooting and more shooting. Most of it crap but a few keepers along the way. Then turning night into day playing with the photos I took. That may be my favorite part of the whole process. Reminds me of my days as a painter, sitting in the solitude dialoguing with my paints and paper…or in this case, my photos and the computer. Same thing. Letting myself drop down to that wordless place where intuition lives. Time flies and it’s 3 or 5 AM before I know it.

    And now the shooting part of my project is done. Empty feeling. Last night was the final shoot, not by my choice, but because the season is over for the young musicians I’ve been photographing. Next I’ll be working on the Blurb book I’ve promised them, their parents, the conductors and staff of the program they were part of. Lots of work ahead but different. No more Christmas-morning-feelings as I download the day’s pics and see what I have. Now I know what I have: lots of memories. The gift of timeless time spent with young people whose passion fairly crackles in the air. I’ll miss them. Some are off to university for bachelors or masters work. A few will be names I’ll see in the papers or online as rising stars in the field of classical or jazz music. Such talent! And so young.

    So, how is it for other Burnians when it’s time to stop shooting and sit down and do something with your photos? Do you get an ache in your gut when you realize you won’t be having those long days of seeing, seeing, seeing? For that’s what shooting has become for me: simply seeing. Sometimes my eyes are clear, other times they won’t focus worth a damn. But what a ride this is, this photography gig. Even when the empty feelings come. Like now.

    Patricia

  1724. a civilian-mass audience

    OUR PATRICIA…please, don’t stop “seeing”…

    we,civilians are seeing …because of You…ALL of you…!!!

    Thank you…simply thank you!
    your civi

  1725. Patricia…

    I read early this morning an interview with Alex Webb and whilst waiting for five eggs to boil with my two kids impatiently watching me read your lovely comment I think Alex Webb sums up perfectly your thoughts….

    “Sisyphus with Leica.”

  1726. Eva…

    The book looks pretty interesting, most of the photos have never been published. That can be really good or awful especially if they were mine :)))))!!!!! But I’m sure we can trust Alex Webb to blow us away once again.

  1727. So, how is it for other Burnians when it’s time to stop shooting and sit down and do something with your photos?
    Patricia one just gets on with the next exciting phase……… my current work load is http://www.webenfreude.com/ there is a image hidden in a closet that needs some pp work, there is a image to post on one’s site, there is a slideshow to do, a print to create………. etc

  1728. Eva…

    No I hadn’t seen the video and I think I’ll wait till tonight or tomorrow to see the real thing!
    My wife will tell you without any shadow of doubt I also have a weak spot for all books, in my case she considers it an illness :))))

  1729. Do you get an ache in your gut when you realize you won’t be having those long days of seeing, seeing, seeing?
    ———————–
    Pat, aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh….i know exactly how u feel….

  1730. Eva yes, i will post somewhere, anywhere else… facebook is completely getting on my nerves with all that hacking etc…but its the “main” way (as for today) to instantly connect with my real friends instantly…on the other side the “big brother” watching us , each and every move..no “freedom”…i respect and admire all those who resisted facebook so far..im unable, trapped, a victim…of my own impulses..:(

  1731. Thanks, friends. It’s now that I need to feel companions at my side. Non-creative types just don’t get it. It’s like we live in parallel universes that never meet. As the cliche goes, it takes one to know one..

    hugs
    Patricia

  1732. Jeremy:

    Wonderful poetic description of your experience with DAH at the show – could feel the energy as if I was there. Thank you!

    Patricia
    Nice to see your comments back here on Dialogue…regarding losing the “Christmas Day” feeling…I understand it from other contexts, but haven’t experienced it with photography, simply because I think I haven’t yet gotten far enough into a project….I’d feel fortunate to have that feelign at this point, for it would mean I was deeply enough immersed….But yes, a bittersweet feeling as well – perhaps a time to focus on the final push and editing/production of the book, and then a quick celebratory moment, and then on to the next subject, or more deeply into that one….

    ~
    Went through 9 months worth of images over the weekend, selected about 125 shots, printed about 30 little 4x6s to hang on the wall…bleh, feel like I’m all over the place….no focus, no consistency, nothing to tell…will leave them pinned up on the magnetic board for a while and see what happens,…..I think I need to dig deeper.

    If anyone is in Montreal, let me know – will be there briefly this week.

    good light all,
    a.

  1733. “The reason actors, artists, writers have agents is because we’ll do it for nothing. That’s a basic fact – you gotta do it.”
    Morgan Freeman.
    So bloody true, at least in my personal experience!!

  1734. “I would venture to warn against too great intimacy with artists as it is very seductive and a little dangerous.”
    Queen Victoria.

  1735. iN THE MEANTIME , LAPD, imprisoning/trapping ARTISTS…and i will keep talking about it till infinity!
    its illegal to be an artist in LA…but all the huge Advertisement for Victoria Secret or BUD LIGHT , all the brainwashing all along the freeways is legal, as long as you are rich/corporate enough to pay the system..
    ULTIMATE CORRUPTION in the Land of the Free…:(

    FREE REVOK

    Boosted Films Presents Revok

  1736. Doesn’t need to be a rangefinder although it helps…
    I’m sure I can get a pretty sharp photo with my 1Ds II if I try my hardest. 18 months ago I could hardly hold steady my camera without camera shake at 125, working all day with excessive weight my arms were always tired, I was always carrying around a tripod when shooting photos

  1737. Patricia; When I finished the project it sort of went like this; I woke up one morning after about 6-months of living and breathing it and “knew” I was done. Simple as that. First off (for a day or so) I felt like a deflated balloon; but also felt pretty calm about it.

    I’ve only finished one project, the rest are all in different degrees of progress. Two I’ve just started; and the other completely re-evaluated and still underway. The re-evaluating has been the interesting part though; it’s amazing how your view/outlook changes over a period of time.

  1738. Speaking of projects; Tobias Zielony’s book “Story/No Story” (about teens) opened my eyes to an entire new way of shooting. I saw it on Alec Soth’s blog; he recommended it as one of his 10 best photo books of 2010; so I bought it on a whim. Totally blew me away…

  1739. Panos, I have to admit being a little disappointed because that is not a bus. I mean, could you at least spray paint “FURTHER” on it somewhere. And for road tunes, just play anything from Little Feat’s Waiting for Columbus, or maybe the whole album. Follow that up with The Band’s Rock of Ages and Allman Brothers Filmore East to round out the classic best live albums ever made. It’s the road, it’s down south, it’s gotta be live.

  1740. Yeah I always thought a road trip was where you travelled in some Piece of shit thats gonna need voodoo to get you to the other end.
    And you Made the shit up as you went along….
    And its only reason for being done is itself….
    And there is always gonna be laughter, and tears…..
    And something is known at the end that was not known at the beginning.

    Just like life really.

    dont remember there being assistants or tour buses.
    Did I miss a meeting somewheres?

  1741. John, a BURN bus tour would be just that I suspect. Town to town, bunk beds, ear plugs, days shooting, slide shows for the town in someone’s backyard on a sheet hanging from a tree, campfires, guitars, work hard, play hard, real. Uhhm, we need a kickstarter project. Ah well, fun to dream …

  1742. Ton Hyde: exactly on the bus – now, if it was a 1980 Winnebago Brave, that might be another story….

    Still want to talk about that print – send me a note or something…..

    Printed more little 4x6s today…a pattern may be emerging, ideas forming….and I have some travel time to be able to contemplate with coming tomorrow, so that’s good….

    John G – love it. I did a road trip with a couple buddies in a 1978 Chevy Impala that had been a salesmans car and had 300K miles on it when I bought it in 1984….several kep parts were held together with duct tape and hope…best of times.

  1743. My brother had an old Corolla station wagon; the front suspension was held together with a piece of 4×2… My cousin had a beaten up old 1960’s Rover car and the boot (trunk) floor had rusted out. Nothing that chicken wire and 2 inches of concrete didn’t fix up…

    I can still see the look of puzzlement on the face of the driver who rear ended him at an intersection. His late model Japanese car’s hood looked like a concertina; the Rover practically untouched. Little did he know that there was God knows how much concrete in the boot! :-)

  1744. Andrew, ALL..
    I have an idea that I will share with ALL at Look3…
    I call it “MUTINY OF THE BOUNTY”..
    soon I’ll tell u all about it..
    The “good side” is that it’s extremely dangerous ..
    My main purpose is to “destroy” anything that is “Elite” related.. etc..
    Stay tuned!

  1745. Tom Hyde… I am totally in! For one or two legs of it at least. By the way, did the Green Tortoise from SF to Seattle twice back in the eighties. Experience never forgotten.

    Can we get a bus that looks like the Partridge Family’s? haha!

  1746. Drove across the U.S. 7 times. Once in a (pace Gladdy) piece of shit Ford Escort! No radio. 3,000 some miles with no tunes! Made up my own stuff along the way. Talked a lot to the dude in the rear view mirror. Got to know him well. Highly recommend it to any and everyone. U.S., Europe, Asia, Oz… where ever you be!

  1747. Can’t go on a road trip without a paperback copy of Kerouac’s “On the Road”

    “What is that feeling when you’re driving away from people and they recede on the plain till you see their specks dispersing? — it’s the too-huge world vaulting us, and it’s good-by. But we lean forward to the next crazy venture beneath the skies” – Jack Kerouac

    I always chuck Thoreau’s “Walden” and Don McCullin’s “Unreasonable Behaviour” in the bag too! :-)

  1748. Ross
    Ah yes, but Walden was close enough to Thoreau’s mommy’s house that she did his laundry on weekends. Bring lots of quarters for the laundromat.

  1749. Actually, looking back, the LA trip was in the mid seventies, but the VW was sixties vintage. Rust holes in the rocker panels big enough to put your foot in.

  1750. JOHN GLADDY..

    you basically got it right…in theory….i have been trying for several years to organize a disorganized bus across Europe and the U.S…only problem is, just as you say like life, if there is no organization nothing happens…i do not think there is anything that you know about in film, literature, photography,music that does not have an organizational element to it…these things that are organized are actually happening and well, maybe the others are too, but we will never know…again, lotsa talk at the end of the bar….

    cheers, david

  1751. Patricia – I’m about in your boat. I am wrapping up some last moments of Fight Night. Started doing some very basic ground work promotional things, putting together a video for Kickstarter for a little funding, narrow down 2+ years of shots, start outlining book proposals, researching possible galleries to approach for shows…all while working a 50-hour day job and trying to keep a fledgling relationship going.

    Sleep? We don’t need no stinkin’ sleep!

  1752. TOM HYDE….PANOS

    yes, that is it….and no reason to think we cannot do exactly that…Burn whether you realize it or not has the ability now to pull that off…the trick is to make it happen without going too far and too organized…and yet as i said to John, actually do it…

    somewhere between pure BS and as Panos says pure elitism…however, a mistake to equate actual talent with elitism…better look carefully before assuming that actually talented is confused with either elitism or overblown ego…

    what i have noticed is that overblown ego seems to be equally distributed throughout the population at large..so yes, some talented have overblown egos, but so do the untalented (maybe even worse!)…surprise surprise…

    but i digress… the fact is i think we could pull off the dream trip ….now boys, how we choose who goes and who does not go is going to be for you guys to decide or decide the system anyway…coin toss? arm wrestle? OR caravan!!! joking joking

    in any case, forgetting everything else i have said above or at any point in the last two years of dialogue here, for sure we could do an amazing book….anything actually keeping us from doing this?

    abrazos bros, david

  1753. PATRICIA…BRIAN…

    well, welcome to the totally “normal” world of being a photographer…nothing either of you say would be a surprise to anyone who takes this craft seriously….as both of you do…..can you think of a richer way to go through life? nothing beats it, even with the empty spots Patricia mentions and the life stresses of Brian….remember Patricia there would be no empty spot, had there not been also a full glass prior…and the balancing act Brian for you is shared by all who live with passion as do you…enjoy

    cheers, david

  1754. David…
    My suggestion for the Burn RoadTrip would be to chuck the American Burians in a bus throughout Europe and the European, Australian and New Zealend Burnians drop them into the USA… gives a chance to all Burnians, culture shock for all and burn burn burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding everywhere like spiders across the stars…

  1755. eva
    Thanks. I was not aware of Jason Eskenazi. His work looks beautiful. I ordered a copy of Wonderland, curiously it was cheaper on Canadian Amazon than US.

  1756. a civilian-mass audience

    “david alan harvey
    October 24, 2009 at 8:20 am
    ………………………………..
    yes of course it is the ride that counts…i metaphorically have you guys sitting in the back of my van and we are rolling down the highway with the music turned up and adventure of some kind awaits, but we do not know what ….all of you know very well that i never had a “destination” in mind…suggest to me that we should take that dirt road to the right and damn we just might take it to see where it goes…that was the inspiration for Road Trips which turned into Burn which could turn into something else…hang on boys and girls…we might not get to where we started to get to, but i promise i won’t let you get bored…just when you might think so, we go around the bend….”

    I know…I did my homework…and I will be back …can’t miss this BURNING VAN…
    “it is the ride that counts”

  1757. what i have noticed is that overblown ego seems to be equally distributed throughout the population at large..so yes, some talented have overblown egos, but so do the untalented (maybe even worse!)
    —————
    Yes , true I agree on this one.. Overblown Ego does not “discriminate”.. It’s actually even more “popular” amongst the “not so”… and the wannabes …

  1758. For what I’m concerned, I’m sitting on that bus since a while now, and enjoying the ride :)

    Gordon, Wonderland is a nice little book, love it!

  1759. a civilian-mass audience

    and I keep changing overblown tires and I am still enjoying the ride…

    GO BURNIANSSSSSSSSSS…together We can do miracles !!!

    P.S…EVA…my EVA,I know you are in the darkroom BUT you forgot to warn me…rain,lot’s of rain…

  1760. Civi.. argh.. sorry.. did rain here, but on Sunday (today is Tuesday, isn’t it?), temp dropped by 10 degrees.. but yes, clock is ticking, deadline approaching… on the road again soonest.. so when home I’m closed in.. oh, you lost a chicken, picture nr. 7 over under the secondlast essay..

  1761. A little healthy ego is sometimes the only way to survive when things go downhill. Let’s not forget attitude key ingredient in any goal in life..
    I was always told in sport, ”train your weaknesses and compete with your strengths”

  1762. Oops, again:

    Panos, after seeing you FB images, are you the bus driver of the Magnum photohraphers till West coast?!?!?
    Enjoy!
    Patricio

  1763. No no, Carlos is the bus driver , and the trip goes from SA to West Coast..
    Im just a helper , trying to find drivers , conncections, permissions etc..
    San Antonio was a big deal so i had to find the right helper/driver to the correct assignment (for example: its great to have a spanish speaking assistant to a photog that shoots in a spanish speaking hood etc)..but for smaller towns they can use bicycles etc and not need much..
    I was helping Paolo, Nick was our driver, Kim helping Jim G, also shooting video blah blah blah..)
    Smiling , u know I love tequila too much to be the driver, right???

  1764. Eva; Didn’t Jason Eskenazi self-publish “Wonderland”? If so; it’s nice to see a self-published book do so well. Takes some guts to pull it off….

  1765. “The reason actors, artists, writers have agents is because we’ll do it for nothing. That’s a basic fact – you gotta do it.”
    Morgan Freeman.
    So bloody true, at least in my personal experience!!”

    “No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.” -Samuel Johnson

    “I do not enjoy writing, I enjoy having written” -attributed to any number of writers, all of whom agree with the sentiment.

  1766. David, the cynic in me could give you many reasons why we couldn’t pull this off, money being the biggest, but I killed him and left him dead down in the coulee. You serious about doing this? May 2012? The bus to never never land? I’ll drop you an email after LOOK (wish I could be there) and things settle down, see if what you’re thinking is what I’m thinking. Really can’t imagine anything much cooler but it’s gotta mean something too …

  1767. the cynic in me could give you many reasons why we couldn’t pull this off, money being the biggest, but I killed him and left him dead down in the coulee
    ———————————————
    love this one, YOUNG TOM;)

  1768. If this is to be done, I could join in. Just need plenty of time to request that off from work. And depending on how long the trip would be, may only be able to take part for a bit.

    Possibly a stupid question…When I am ready to start submitting book proposals (and after narrowing down publishers that fit, etc.), is it a faux pas to submit to more than one publisher at a time, assuming each submission is customized for each publisher? Seems that doing one-at-a-time submissions would take forever since some want three months to review.

    Also, PowerHouse charges $250 for submissions. I know that reviewing work takes time and costs money, but something about that concerns me.

  1769. TOM HYDE / BRIAN / PANOS / JOHN G / who else did I miss??

    Yes, we could pull off a road trip. I have all sorts of red-wine indiced ideas from the other evening – most of them probably not worth the napkins upon which they are scribbled, but some make a frighteningly bit of sense…..

    Def a topic for over beverages at LOOK3 for those there….

    In Montreal. Well, Laval, technically. Lovely room in the middle of nowhere, and I didn’t get a car…I fear for the integrity of the mini-bar….

  1770. TOM HYDE / BRIAN / PANOS / JOHN G / who else did I miss??
    ———-
    DAH maybe? Just kiddin!
    Andrew book is ordered, see u in Look3..
    Tom, get your a$$ up in c/ville;)

  1771. PANOS:

    DAH is a given :) Maybe MW or Paul? And I did get your FB note – see you in C’ville, and the first beer/tequila is on me!

    TON HYDE:
    Come to C’ville! If not, shoot me a note, will you? Have a place on my wall that needs a hula hoop.

    Off to see if there is anythign around this urbanized suburb of office buildings….I should have stayed downtown….

  1772. michael K, of course!

    Panos, we’re gonna need something bigger than a VW van. I like the idea of the partrige family bus. Wait, wait….think a classic VW van could pull an airstream? :)

  1773. OK, OK, I’ve started to actually consider Look 3 in my calender, will see if air miles, bank accounts and kid schedules will permit.
    Or road trip? Feeling the need for a sojourn. Already going to Lunenburg in July for the Boxwood wooden flute festival. Get your head out of your ass Lafleur, live a little.
    OK, red wine involved here.

  1774. a civilian-mass audience

    “Make voyages! Attempt them… there’s nothing else.”
    Tennessee Williams

    hmmm…there is …wine and ouzo and MY BURNIANS…!!! A bus with open windows…flying cameras,chickens…

    “Some roads aren’t meant to be travelled alone”
    Let’s BURN…MF !!!

  1775. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…
    hmmm…I am farting a lot though…:(

    MF=My FRIENDS…!

    LOVE TO ALLLLLLLL…the journey…

  1776. a civilian-mass audience

    JEREMY…JEREMY…
    Thank YOUUUUU…Mama MARYANNA…is THE BURNIAN…!!!
    amazing…WE LOVE YOU !!!

    keep reporting…BURN is HOT…

  1777. hmm if we could somehow ‘tame’ Civi’s methane by using it as the Burn Bus fuel less money spent on petrol and more on booze…

  1778. a civilian-mass audience

    yeah…PAUL,PANOS,ROSSY…let’s go GREEN…

    MR.HARVEY said…All Organic…therefore I don’t wanna stay home…

    ECO-BURN
    BURN is Hot
    ALL Aboard
    so…let’s Roll…
    I BURN
    You BURN
    destination…
    Uknown…
    pfff…all clear…:))))))))))))))

  1779. a civilian-mass audience

    EVA…hmmm…(guys in your pic)they remind me of GORDON…
    “…red wine involved here.”
    and could you please
    Get your head out of your ass “…and tell me if it’s gonna rain again…i lost a chicken:(
    hiii…I just copy and paste…I know,I am bad:)))

    back to our regular…I love you ALLLL

  1780. Perhaps a bus retrofitted with a hybrid kind of technology… Burn cleaner all across the continent! Just thinking here, but if there’s a green-company that would want to be a part of this experiment, possible sponsor/partner? Thinking.

  1781. a civilian-mass audience

    PAUL,PAUL…sad?…ok,ok,I promise I won’t fart…
    are you sad about my chicken?no worries…EVA found it…this guy,PEJ is responsible:)

    are you sad because you are sad…? then get emotional…

    ANTON’S new book is coming out YAKUZA…and he is emotional …
    KATHARINA is trying to find sponsors…HUMAN NEGOTIATIONS…she is emotional
    PANOS…sold only 2 books…KATA TON DAIMONA…he is emotional
    PAULT…has new book…he is emotional…

    MR.HARVEY…says goodbye…he is emotional too…

    PAUL…we are all emotional…I am a big civilian and I am emtional all the time…
    WE love YOU PAUL…enjoy!!!

  1782. a civilian-mass audience

    GORDON…I found another chicken…hmmm…actually,a rooster…
    thanks to EVA…:)

    BUT I still love Your life!!! your boys,Martha,your mama…

    P.S…you can get all emotional too…

  1783. Paul… if you can, when you get home, can you look and let me know before tomorrow morning? Would be helpful.. I’ll explain you why, as soon as I can.. cheers :)

  1784. Paul… both you and your wife are sweethearts, thank you!! Promise I’ll answer your question, but need some time, always difficult to explain with words why I love something..

  1785. Panos, big hug back, happy you are here as well.

    Paul, Don’t remmember which supplier I got mine from, looks like the one in the picture. I’m really not using it lately. I had been using it with my lovely little 35mmf2 Pentax m series, but last year sprung for the canon 35f2. I occasionally use it with a 100 2.8 or a 135 2.5. I’ve got a bunch of different Canon 50s so have not tried a Pentax 50 with the adaptor. When you use the adaptor/lens the camera gives a chirp and the focus spot lights up when you’ve achieved focus. You have to partially depress the button to turn the camera on for it to function. Remmeber if you are using these on full frame you need to trim or remove the aperture pin thing that prodrudes from the back of the lens to prevent your mirror from hitting it when it swings up.
    Anyway, have fun. It’s cheap thrills.

  1786. a civilian-mass audience

    HIGH MIND…LOW LIGHT
    Vinegar hills…?
    maybe…end of the bar…seating unlimited:)))

    Goodmorning from broken grecolandia…no coffee…IMF doesn’t approve:(

    HIGH MIND…GO BURNIANS…cause BURN is HOT…
    HIGH FIVE

  1787. TOP NEWS

    I.M.F. Chief Quits in Wake of Charges of Sexual Attack
    By GERRY MULLANY
    Dominique Strauss-Kahn

    resigned Wednesday as head of the International Monetary Fund after explosive accusations that he had sexually attacked a housekeeper in a Midtown Manhattan hotel room.

    Dominique Strauss-Kahn
    Dominique Strauss-Kahn
    Dominique Strauss-Kahn

    WHEN THE RICH F$$k the POOR!
    what’s new???
    Greece! Throw IMF OUT..
    revolt, Resist .. IMF IS AFTER YOU!
    Revolution, through WALL STREET OUT NOW..
    FREE GREECE
    FREE PORTUGAL
    FREE SOUTH..
    Y’all new IMF’s true colors..
    But what u didn’t know is they use NO PROTECTION..
    IMF hates the “Trojans” (or any other condom brand ..) if u know what I mean!
    Sad

  1788. Something odd is happening on the Burn front page…I see an essay called “Altered States” says it was published on May 10!! Then work in progress I see a new essay published today called “we chinese”… just thought you would like to know :)

  1789. PAUL

    my fault…i tried publishing the China story and the typography was not correct…so i pulled it, but it is still in the published column..as soon as we can fix the typos, it will be back up in a few hours…the “published” date only means when we created the story in WordPress, not when we actually make it “sticky” to the front page here…however, i changed the publish date so as not to confuse one and all….both Altered States and We Chinese should be up simultaneous and corrected soonest…

    after today , only EPF finalists will be published until recipient is announced at Look3 fest on June 11

    cheers, david

  1790. Eva…

    Thanks for the ANTON CORBIJN link. I like his work but I’ve always wondered how much of his style is dependant on his charismatic rock star subjects. I had a similar experience with Leibovitz’s “A Photographer’s Life: 1990-2005” I found her family and personal photography just so boring and I came to the conclusion erroneous perhaps but mine anyhow that her work means nothing to me without her larger than life subjects…

  1791. Throw WALL STREET MAFIA OUT WHILE YOU CAN..
    TURKEY DID IT.. YOU can do it too.. Believe in yourselves..
    REFUSE TO PAY the FAKE DEBT the banking system forced you to accept..
    And I’m not suggesting street art or graffiti …
    No no no.. Pure vandalism I suggest ..
    I know it’s not the Dalai Lama’s 4 noble truths but but but , IMF needs
    a kick in the BUTT!

  1792. PAUL

    wouldn’t you think the same about any photographer whose subjects are “larger than life”? i always thought that about any photographer who “needed” high powered subject matter in order to “be”….hence my love of photographers who actually have an “eye”

    PANOS

    i do not think you should consider a high powered government job…just think of the sacrifices you would have to make :)

  1793. AGAIN IMF’s boss sexually attacks and rapes his poor maid/ housekeeper in NY

    Dominique Strauss-Kahn YOU ARE A (&&$$@&$$@)
    ( quiz= you fill the gap)

  1794. DAVID..

    not reaching you on skype.. can you please confirm you have read emails? Thanks..

  1795. EVA..

    i can confirm that i have read no emails!! just making coffee and tweaking Burn stories….just home late last night and just sat on my porch and looked at the moon..was not capable of more… :)

    by the way, the new version of skype is just terrible..i have no way of knowing who left messages etc

    cheers, david

  1796. DAVID…

    sounds like a perfect home coming :)

    Hate to push, but I leave later today and must arrange stuff beforehand, so when coffee is drunken and Burn tweaked.. well, please read the mails.. thanks.. and yes, new version of skype is awful.. abbraccio..

  1797. Eva…

    Just opened Skype out of curiosity, haven’t been on since we chatted and I’ve got an automatic update!! I suppose this is Microsoft…

  1798. Imants…

    There is a lot bloody hard work there, I’m sure it was fun and you seem to connect very well with the people especially the kids. A very sincere set of images no pretence just nice close and honest.
    Is that all shot with the GF1?

  1799. GF1 and the 20mm mostly maybe a few with the Panasonic X5 compact. I wish I could say that it was hard work but I really didn’t put a lot of effort in taking these photographs. My wife and I just hang around chat even if there is no common language and taking a photo is a very low priority. I do stop at times if I see something interesting but most times I just let the situation be.

  1800. Paul.. no idea, but the previous version worked just fine.. this one kept crashing when clicking one one of my contacts who had a birthday notice I couldn’t get rid of, had to work around it quite a bit.. anyway.. about Corbijn, I like the way he takes portraits, to me I don’t see he needs a famous person for the photographs to work.. can’t say about Leibovitz, don’t know her work much..

    David.. thanks for your time..

  1801. Keep thinking of selling one of my Strats and for once and for all buying a Gf1 before they really become rare… Sell it dirt cheap just enough for camera with 20mm and Voight viewfinder…I just hate selling my guitars I’ve only kept the very rare or good sounding ones… but my wife is no way going to lend me the money she is sick and tired of cameras and guitars :)))))

  1802. Paul,

    No way, dude! Don’t do it, I just know that you will regret it. Those Strats are gonna be playable for a long time and something that you can pass down to your boys. Always classic, never obsolete :-) Only time will tell if the same can be said of the GF1.

  1803. Justin…

    You’re quite right I’m going to follow your advice! Thanks… BTW nearly finished a long Email to you been at it a few days on bus and waiting for doctors :). Oh and the Strat I was thinking of selling is a very rare cypress tree body, strat!!

  1804. Bill…
    Yes Yes!!! :))))
    BTW you’ve been a canon ds user haven’t you…The one fault these camera have is size wouldn’t you agree? there’s nothing subtle about them marvelous in every other respect as strong as a battering ram…

  1805. from Los Angeles…

    Am here for tonight’s gala opening of the Beauty CULTure exhibit at the Annenberg Space for Photography. Carl Bower and I (and maybe more Burn photogs than I know) have images in the digital part of the exhibit. Am VERY EXCITED!!! Here is an article from today’s N.Y. Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/fashion/photo-exhibition-in-los-angeles-studies-beauty.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=beauty%20culture&st=cse

    Will attend Anna Boyiazis’s opening on Sunday. She is doing us Burnians proud! Here’s her invitation
    ………………………………………..

    COLA 2011 Individual Artist Fellowship Exhibition Reception

    Sunday, May 22 · 2:00pm – 5:00pm

    Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery | LAMAG
    4800 Hollywood Boulevard
    Los Angeles, California 90027

    Recipient of a 2011 City of Los Angeles (C.O.L.A.) Individual Artist Fellowship, I have been invited by the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery to present new work in the 2011 C.O.L.A. Individual Artist Fellowship Exhibition. This annual nonthematic group exhibition highlights a selection of new work from ten accomplished mid career LA contemporary artists.

    Please join me at the opening reception.

    The exhibition runs Thursday, May 19 through Sunday, July 3, 2011. In conjunction with the exhibition, the Gallery will be hosting Conversations with the Artists. Mine is Saturday, June 18 at 2 pm. All events are free and open to the public.

    I am grateful to the City of Los Angeles Department of Cultural Affairs and its panelists from Los Angeles Contemporary Exhibitions, Los Angeles County Museum of Art and Claremont Museum of Art for both recommending me for this fellowship and for the opportunity to produce and share new work.

    Anna Boyiazis

  1806. Super congratulations to Anna Boyiazis, Patricia Lay Dorsey and Carl Bower for their work being shown at both the Annenberg Space for Photography and the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery…as Patricia above points out, there may be more photographers from here on Burn in the Annenberg show…if you are one of them, please let us know…

    cheers, david

  1807. Vivek yes , Vatican !!!
    How can u go wrong if u associate with “gods” ultimate middleman .. The pope..
    The guy that plays jesus when Jesus is sitting on the bench due to injury;;;

    Carl Bower, Anna, pat
    CONGRATS once again..
    LA, my city she loves you:)
    And if u guys won’t visit and pay homage to venice beach I will never forgive you!

  1808. Btw I just met an amazing guy..
    A guy that is a base player .. NIRVANA slept in his home, Babes in Toyland , Blag Flag etc..
    He has a collection of punk bands, Butthole Surfers etc..
    He has photos/snapshots from MIRVANA , 1998..
    he told me that Nirvana made $50 that night…
    He had to help them fill their gas tank of their van that night to move on to next town..etc
    My oh my I feel so blessed today.. I’ve seen material that he is hiding them for 20 years or so..
    I love Nirvana.. My buddy Charles Peterson can verify this I’m sure..

  1809. Well; long story short… They were too busy on the farm for a Thursday shoot, so had to try and get it done on Friday. Settled on 8.30am to allow them time to get to the airport. Arrived at the farm to be told that he had to go to another farm (about 50kms away) to fix the water system. Sooooo; no shoot…

    Silly thing was that the editor had known about them flying out for about a week before ringing me, so had plenty of time to let me know. The problem is that when you have always delivered on rush jobs; you get the rush jobs given to you. This is the first one to go belly up though…

    Now the publisher is grumpy (and moaning at me!) because they’ve been dropped in it (by themselves), and has just done a big moan to me about how “un-cooperative” the subject’s been! He flies out in about one hour for God’s sake (he still has a 40 minute drive to get to the airport!). Que sera sera…

  1810. Had a great one today… A mag editor phoned me late Wednesday to ask if I’d do a shoot for them; just a series of environmental portraits of a farmer (and a 100km round trip to shoot it). Only problem they had to have it done by Friday 12.30pm as the subject (a farmer) was flying off on holiday to Europe til early July.

    Oops; missed pasting the 1st paragraph- sorry

  1811. a civilian-mass audience

    I am Late…BUT I am here…HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOBBYYYYYYYYYYY BLACK…
    I wish I can write like you but hey…as ROSSY says “no point worrying about something you can’t change! You just move on…”
    LOVE YOU BOBBY !!!

    Happy BIRTHDAY REIMARRRRR…yes,our REIMAR…academian…like SIDNEY,KATIEE,AKAKYY and many others…

    LOS ANGELES is BURNING…ANNA, OURPATRICIA,CARL…BRAVO,BRAVO,BRAVO…
    PANOS…are you in LA? Happy BIRTHDAY for PANOS …hmmm…I am early for you…

    My wifi is on and off…I have more to say…IMANTS(I love Etrouko)…
    MARKT,rock on…
    I will be back to find you ALL…KATHARINA with kickstarter …help is on the way
    VIVEK…I am with you …I follow…:)

    MR.HARVEY…all our love to OUR MOM…amazing…!!!

    Don’t move this BURNING dial…oime
    civi reporting from broken wifi
    I will be back…LA style;)

  1812. THANK YOU Civi….love you too! :)))))

    CONGRATULATONS PATRICIA! :))))..Very very proud and happy for you….that is wonderful…great place to show too btw :)))))

    CONGRATULATIONS ANNA! :))))..know the spot, and wish i had the cash to go to theopening….so proud of you…have a g reat show! :)))))))

    now, as i told David, writing short comments now, ’cause want to save my best energy/prose for the finalists )))))…very excited to see them and their work! :)))

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY REIMAR! :))))…save that cottage for us :)))

    hugs
    running
    b

  1813. BOB…REIMAR

    Happy Birthday to both…left you belated Bob on FB, sorry to be tardy….Reimar, still not believing we have not met…this summer? i will be in Europe twice, so hoping this will happen..you certainly invited to Magnum fete in Paris end of June…

  1814. ROSS…

    we are dealing with EPF right now, but make sure you get in front of me the teenage story…just stay on my case….i want to publish that essay….

  1815. BOB
    happy birthday brother b!

    DAH
    great seeing you and song last week…thanks for making the time and for looking at the sculptures…meant a lot…coming down for the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 so maybe we can touch base again closer to that time…

  1816. a civilian-mass audience

    Am I a finalist…?:)))
    No,you are not…

    BUT YOu are ALL finalists …in our civilians eyes…
    is that right MASS AUDIENCE?

    deck wandering…;)

  1817. ok, i must write…not here, but for the new dialogue post that will be published tomorrow in tangent with our first EPF finalist for 2011…this set of 10 will be our Burn benchmark…but i must save my enthusiasm for the official post….run silent, run deep

  1818. a civilian-mass audience

    ok…YOU run…I sing…:)

    we won’t disturb you…until you finish…

    BURNIANS…SHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhh…:)))

  1819. a civilian-mass audience

    and PAUL…don’t you dare sell the guitars…

    I am selling chickens…maybe I can open a fundraising for my BURNIANS…

    ok,I will be back…I am dancing

  1820. Patricia, Anna, Carl all – really fantastic!!!

    and

    EPF 10 already, wow, stunning, things just keep on keeping on don’t they? Wanted to pull an entry together but too many balls in the air. Will drink in the excitement of others and press on!

  1821. Hey guys, just got contacted about this by Sophie Henderson. I’m sharing it here in case it applies to any projects you’ve been working on…

    Migration Museum/Guardian photos are seeking submissions of images based on UK migration for an exhibition at the Museum. Full info can be found here – Migration Museum/Guradian Photos seek Migration related photographs for an exhibition. Full details here – http://bit.ly/lZl4wp

  1822. YOUNG TOM.. I had no idea..
    Really disturbing.. I’ll go back in October to continue my work..
    It’s very dangerous .. I got detained.. They let me go coz of my American passport..
    Actually it’s time to reveal that except of my IZ MAGAZINE credentials thare was ONE MORE AMAZING BURNIAN that helped me out.. I promised I will never reveal his name but now I think that it’s time to give credit to that amazing guy that helped me with his newspaper creds…Credit were credit due.. And the name is: Jim Powers..
    Yes.. Jim totally helped me out and I escaped/saved me from severe beating and jail time..
    Again thank u TOM for link above and thank u Jim P. for your precious help last year when I was getting tear gased on a daily basis..
    Greece is in NEED ! and I want to help…
    Sad news from Athens ..
    Europe won’t help.. Wall
    Street / IMF is keep raping greece..
    My heart is BROKEN!

  1823. Jim Powers,

    Much respect, man. Even though many, including myself, have disagreed with you on these pages, there is one thing that cannot be denied – you are a stand-up guy.

  1824. Thank u Paul and ALL.. yes my BDay is 21st of may but with so much shit going on in this world my BDay is severely insignificant ….
    N.W.A… F$$k the police.. Greek or not.. Same tools different day:(..
    I’m upset..

  1825. thank u Justin.. Nobody could have said more eloquently…
    Jim sorry, I know I promised it will stay between us but … f$$k it.. I’m getting too emotional now..
    You are an amazing guy.. ( honestly I should have done that earlier..:(

  1826. a civilian-mass audience

    PANOS…HAPPY BIRTHDAY from Grecoland…We Love YOU!

    yes,JIM …like all my BURNIANS…heart of gold!!!

    Greece is under shock…we walk like zombies,we talk like zombies,we live like zombies…
    the civilians have to wake up…
    we are overdue…
    VISSARIA is right…”Greece in Reverse”…the time for the revolution is NOW
    my generation lost the way…we didn’t “study” our history…
    BUT
    we can Do it…WTF…I am angry…and you don’t wanna have angry civilians around you
    WAKE UP my people…
    “Courage is knowing what not to fear.”
    Plato

    P.S Thanks TOM,JARED,PAUL,JUSTIN…thank you ALLL…support each other
    BURN is the place to BE

  1827. As Mtomalty said there is a tactile thing with books — when you can touch the book and turn the pages there’s a different kind of experience. Somehow I remember images I see printed on paper more than images on the screen. As a beginner I make a point of looking at lots and lots of different photographers’ work. I own a few photo books — I can remember certain shots from The Americans better than a lot of images that probably have the same visual power but that I’ve only ever seen online, because I look at Frank’s work in print. Books hit harder than digital somehow, which is no argument against the access that digital provides, just a reaction. That said I very much appreciate being able to see so much work online.

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