does it seem to you that so many things seem to be a mess at the same time?? the financial market, the war, the campaign, and oh yes right here on our blog…er, forum…
right here, after almost exactly two years, things could appear to be coming unglued…as i read your comments and e-mails, while usually thought provoking, i see dissension, in-fighting "behind the scenes", angry rants, and signs of weariness abound….
is it time for us to "cash in our chips" and walk away from the table at least not completely broke??
i mean nobody HAS to be here!! and almost all of our regular writers have openly "quit the blog" at one time or another…or at least threatened to…me included…
as Tom Waits once asked, "whatever happened to saturday night?"…
you can bet that i am very curious about what you think….but, i will tell you now what i think….
we started as strangers and became a "family"…or , at least, a family "type"…basically a pretty healthy happy family…i mean, we hung out together all the time….i do not know about you, but my girlfriend told me more than once that i loved all of you more than i did her…or sure seemed to spend a lot of time on this relationship, perhaps more than that relationship….she might have had a point…or a least a legitimate complaint….
lots invested here all around…..your writing, your photographs, my writing, my mentoring….a nice little creative trade out that seemed to work for all….lots of great photographic work came from many of you….after all we actually "produced" right here and continue to do so…blog generated essays…ways of thinking to lead to more work….generous critique from all of us….no "tech talk" , but a lot of "life talk"…
and all based on the assumption that if we are not human beings first, no good "art" could come out of it…my mantra for all of you to "look in the mirror" sure as hell worked for so many of you, and if nothing else comes out of our time here, then just wait and see when all your introspective work gets published in the very near future….but looking in the mirror does not always reflect a pretty picture…some digging deep might unearth the very demons that both drive and destroy….other "reflections" reveal an inner strength and peace….so , do we not all learn from each other???
people "out there" really believed in us…still do….generous donations from anonymous givers have come in this year to be invested in YOU….our Emerging Photographer Fund will continue no matter what and was born from our "family" right here in ethereal blogland…
so what happened to our family that birthed all this incredibly positive stuff?
well, what happened i think is that we actually became a" real family" ….anybody here know a "real family" that has not seen: dissension, infighting "behind the scenes", angry rants, and signs of weariness ???? sounds pretty familiar to me coming from a very tight loving family….the phrase "dysfunctional family" gets thrown around a lot, so i will throw it around one more time….aren't all "real families" pretty dysfunctional one way or another??
if we are a "real family" , then why in hell wouldn't we share all of the characteristics that anybody in their right mind well knows personifies FAMILY ?? i say smiling "too bad", but true…well, what the hell?? at least we've got a roof over our heads!!
so you tell me….should we keep rolling or not?? every single writer here who ever "quit", sooner or later returned..talked into it by their friends they met here….and even a few by their "sometime enemies"…i can right off the bat think of two serious clashes from talented photographers here, BOTH of whom i have promised to mentor book projects…and i will….and for anyone else here who shows promise…
do you not think there have been "clashes" among some of the most talented icons you may know?? yet still they form an extended family….ultimate respect born of just flat out acknowledgment and acceptance that we do not all think alike , photograph alike, nor behave alike…do you not think i have seen this at Magnum for example?? are we not still stronger after all these 61 years of being very very different from each other?? would we be a "happier stronger family" if we all walked , talked and looked alike??? i do not think so… sounds boring to me….sounds stifling to me….
i have always been suspicious of "families" that were just too too "perfect"…as a matter of fact ,i have seen more divorces among the "happy couples" than the ones who figuratively knock each other around a bit..i also think we can be honest with each other , yet show some common decency and respect as well….
so, i think we now sink or swim….choice 100% up to you…not me….i cannot pull off my totally energized ideas now of an online magazine, to be manifested in print as well, without all of you lending a hand…some of you perhaps more "hands on" than others, but we "sink or swim" on the "whole" …i believe we are in a position to do great things…unique…first class ticket….i think most of you smell this too…
our interaction is unparalleled in blogland…you must know that….we have been "here" for each other time and time again…but, should we take the "next step"?? it is not that "all good things come to an end"…it is that "he who hesitates is lost" or some other tried and true phrase that i cannot think of right now that connotes something like "what the hell, why not give it a shot?" see, i know already that one of the brilliant writers here will "set this up" just right and be most eloquent…..
yes, everything does seem to be a bit of a mess….it seems that worldwide, things could swing one way or the other….we all feel it….there is promise, there is potential disaster…so, what do we do with our little microcosm of life?? let it stall, or make it fly with the wind???
"troubled waters" or "sea of change" ????
succinctly ;)))
I STAND IN SOLIDARITY with this family….and will do everything i can to help take this Family to the next level: whatever that is: magazine, blogland, drunken revelry, long-drawn out, bloated commentator ;)), or whatever….
David (dont kill me if i tell them), THIS:
David Alan Harvey and I became CLOSER/BETTER FRIENDS because of a misunderstanding and an “argument”…and I now feel closer to him than i ever have felt…and this is because the Internet fucks heads, it can get people close to real, but not the real deal…that must always happen in real life…but this place can be a beginning if people use it as that, just as marina and i did, took a long time (2 years) and even a post-meeting misunderstanding, but that misunderstanding actually brought david and i closer…
that’s what i hope will come from that other thing on the last post…
ok, now serious, will do the thing i promised david and others recently: to contribute work not comments :)))))
hugs/love/messy stuff
bob
one of my favorite poets, Virginia boy CHARLES WRIGHT
Shank of the afternoon, wan weight-light
Undercard of a short month, February Sunday
Wordlessness of the wrong world
In the day’s dark niche, the patron saint of what-Goes-Down
Shuffles her golden deck and deals
on for you and one for me…
And that’s it, a single number — we play what we get
My hand says measure,
doves on the wire and the first bulb blades
Edging up through the mulch-mat,
Inside-out of the winter gum trees,
A cold harbor, cold stop and two-step, and here it comes,
DEEP MEASURE
Deep measure, deep measure that runnels beneath the bone,
That sways our attitude and sets our lives to muse;
Deep measure, down under and death drawn
Pilgrim, homeboy of false time,
Listen and set your foot down, listen and step lightly
If we listen to each other, we shall know that without one another, like all families, we are lost…
we have only ourselves and one another to become what we were meant to become from the outset:
REMARKABLE…
and that is why i shall always be here and help to make all that we all dream possible….
even if i run over at the mouth ;))))
hugs
going for a walk with dima
b
Troubled waters?
ALL hands on deck…
anyone ever notice how clear and fresh everything seems after a really good storm?
HOLA DAVID
you sound tired David you are the captain on this ship, am in always with you
if you want, do you?
David some time ago i ask you if i can see you in oaxaca is this posible? i am not part of the workshop but this is the oportunity to meet in person our mentor
Gracias Saludos
….should we keep rolling or not???
Well David, I vote for rolling!!!! This family you have created has been and IS still a major source of inspiration for so many of us. We come here to learn, have a laugh, see the work of our friends, sometimes argue but who cares, more often we are here to exchange, share our love for photography… This place is alive… we all sense the energy, the passion. You know that I will be always “in” for the ride, for as long and as far as you wish to take us!!!!
Eric
My 2 cents worth…….
In most cases in life the good far outweighs the bad. I can’t believe how much goodness and open-heartedness (is that a word?) has evolved from this forum.
As in life, sometimes people just need to treat others the way they would like to be treated. Yet of course that doesn’t always happen in “real life” either, but it’s always a good start.
I agree that there is no such thing as a perfect family, sometimes things just turn to shit and are irrevocably damaged. I’ve seen it in my own family…. But… if people step back and genuinely acknowledge their mistakes, foibles etc then plain sailing can get underway. Even then there will certainly be disruptions that can set you off course…. But genuine goodwill can heal a lot of ills….
Sure a disruption can clear the air, but not everyone thrives on negativity… Hell, there’s enough of that around at the best of times, there’s no need to perpetuate it, or foist it on others…
Not all of us have the chance to participate as fully as others, but still enjoying being part of this ride, whether bumpy or smooth….
My vote, let’s keep this relationship going. It’ll have ups and downs but it’s sure as hell not worth throwing the baby out with the bathwater…
Now, I will get off my soapbox……..
I can not keep up with this blog anymore, it is too much for me to read all the comments. I check back at the posts here and there because it is in my google reader, but I can not keep up with the over 400 comments on average on each post. It is utterly amazing that anyone can, really. I used to read all the comments when they were manageable, like between 50 and 100 at most, but now? forgetgboutit. I usually love juicy outbursts, but the last post had 600 comments when I first looked at that post, are you kidding? I am also not good at selling myself or schmoozing and at the ripe old age of 40 ( I know not that old) have given up at schmoozing unless it totally feels natural, which is not often for me, I am not that social, only really social with close friends. So can’t really hone up to that on this blog myself either.
I think you guys should not give up at all, was it only comments under the last post that went awry? I think discussions and disagreements are the greatest things in life, one that people do not do enough of because of being afraid of etiquette , that is in face to face situations. On the internet in some ways it can open up discussions because people are not as afraid of etiquette on the other hand some people because of that resort to turning into children with a loss of vocabulary and just personal attacks and mudslinging. That always surprises me because the one great thing about discussing and arguing things on the internet through writing back and forth is that one always has the time to think things out and even do immediate research which is not the case with face to face. I personally always rather have arguments and disagreements through writing, because it gives me time to think before I write and usually face to face I don’t do very well.
It is good to take a lot of philosophy classes, it teaches how to argue hardcore without getting personal, both in writing and face to face.
Although I do not know what you are talking about since I have not read the comments lately, so maybe I am talking out of the wrong side of my body, if you know what I mean.
i say this with Much Love–
i think a golden opportunity was missed here.
i think these storms are wonderful teachers
if only we LOOK INSIDE and ponder our own reactions.
it is not what is outside of us that disturbs us. it is our perceptions only. we are solely responsible for our reactions. we all reacted very differently because we all had different perceptions of what was being said. the missed opportunity was in examining our own minds which can lead to great personal growth. when i am angry i (try to remember to) look inside to see how i am creating that state of mind for myself. how is my perception skewed right now? i turn my inquiries inward.
i wanted to ask some people to gently examine why they were getting so riled? but i didn’t. when someone else tried to get an open dialogue going he was cut off completely.
i think it all could have been a tremendous learning experience with much juicy potential for spiritual/inner growth.
bountiful crops springing up from the manure.
i’m sad that the opportunity passed us by.
DAH said, “my mantra for all of you to
“look in the mirror”..
it is sage advice.
thanks for listening.
i hope no one is offended by my honesty.
katia
Damn ,
I love
Love
Love
Love
KATIA..
Tonight…
as someone who keeps lurking around in this blogspehre on and off, this place has become a place of refuge of sorts, for soaking in great thoughts and keeping abreast of new work in photography…from where i come from, its difficult to access many things that i get to find here so easily, even if it’s virtual, i can still read and see…i maynot be able to have a discussion, but still….
and seeing some of the photographers’ work coming to fruition from scratch is really a knock out sensation…this whole blog works as inspiration for me ….
just hope to see this one growing…thanks!
Panos,
It’s great you’re in a loving mood. I think you owe some apologies for your words. Brother.
Ok..
To ALL JEHOVA Snitc..(scratch that)
.. err.. I mean Witnesses out there..
Sorry..
I apologize.. Please take me back..
Sorry..
Sorry.. I lost all of my friends..
The forum hate me..
.. also , to all the BOY SCOUT members
out there .. I’m sorry..
Again..
All..
This “PANOS RAW” TALKING..
Not “PANOS JPEG”..
( ok , I just stole Akaky’a idea about
Akaky & Akaky IRL..)
Panos JPEG..
Is a great Christian and republican..
Listens to Bill O’Riley everyday..
But..
Panos RAW..
Says .. FUCK U ALL ( that goes to the
fake bitches in here ONLY)..
Disgusting moderators..
(.. Like I don’t know who is behind that
Mike Robot .. Right now.. Instigating..)
( .. Jigga please..)
Come on.. Next Robot in line..!!
Laughing
Not running
Not dissapearing..
Just sitting next to…
Oh forget it , you don’t need to know..
So many Robots in here..
I feel like my governor tonight..
Laughing..
Like the “terminator no13..”
Like I said earlier..
I don’t LOVE YOU ALL..
Foolios…
;-)
Not instigating, Panos, and with all respect. You crossed a line and I think you should own that.
.. and one last think..
I don’t wanna hear shit no more.
about LA.. or my home Cali..!!
Feel me..
Stop insulting my home..
I’m so sensitive tonight..
LOL
Mike,
Again.. With all my respect.. for real..
I’m ppicky.. Way too picky..
I don’t give my love that easy..
or respect..
People, ALL, doesn’t matter if it’s photography
Or fatherhood..
Just because you love photography
,and I believe YOU DO,
Doesn’t automatically makes you a great
phitographer..
Just because you have a kid(s)…
That doesn’t make you a GREAT FATHER..
You see what I meant??
Does that sound angry..???
Come on now.. Have a beer on me..
Panos, I’m not giving you shit… I am saying own what you said, and apologize if you can. I think you should. At least to David B and Rafal. That’s it.
Who would really be the last to turn the lights out on this party? Not this one.
David, you have been way helpful to me, just by being available. My edits are better, and my work evolves. (See website)
About the blog, that is your call. I wish I could offer real advice.
That’s all for now.
Ciao,
Michael
please … Michael A S…
please offer your opinion…
it is valuable…
you are a GREAT FRIEND…
:-)
We swim my Captain, my Captain
even at choppy waters
Panos, seriously… will you offer an apology or not?
David, Absolutely no one ever said anything about swimming or sinking.
Believe me, no matter how you saw it as a new dawn, new opportunities arising, thAT one line you wrote “january, first, blog over” started a chain of emotions, most under the radar, but not less potent for that, which explain the later mood on the blog.
That message was and is still confusing. Only yesterday, did I undertsand the magazine was to be online, not paper-published. Or maybe I misunderstood again.
I am sure I am not the only one who thinks that the end of the blog would happen because we can imagine it is simply too much time-consuming for you, maybe emotionally too (as your GF felt). Being a guy always on the move, and a doer, it seems natural that a thing that has kept you busy for 2 years in relatively the same way, would need to become a more productive outfit, and less of a catch all forum.
Tell us exactly, after Oaxaca (maybe in Bangkok, I am afraid you won’t make it there though), what you were envisionning. Too many of us have been excluded from the thougt process that would have the blog seemingly terminated and an online magazine takes its place.
To claim family like ties, and have some here tell us” well, that’s his blog, he can do whatever he wants” just sounds a bit odd. Not the same thing.
I would not worry about personalities, rants and who said what to whom. Photography will select the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). People who happen to be not exactly what they project to be on the forum, a constant fixture of any virtual forum, will eventually get their comeuppance without the need for anyone to finger-point at them.
Also, know that we have all operated in the last week, under that premise that the blog is living its last weeks. With little to chew about as to what would come next, that does invite feeling negative.
ok… mike…
… but “what”…. exactly … in your opinion … offended
our two friends over here…?
honestly!!!
… except from “reposting” the comments of the 1st person…
( copyright piracy- i apologize..)…
but other than that..
like freida said… i only expressed my feelings and my feelings only…
WHY ??????…. WOULD ANYBODY APOLOGIZE ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS…
QUESTIONS…. PHILOSOPHIES…. IDEAS…
why Mike??????
ok… now !!!!
enough…
.. need to watch some porn……. lots of insomnia lately……..
i quit smoking the “weed”…….shit…. 10 days now…….
peace & hugs !!!!!!
Also, David, remember when you are telling us about the people who read only, the “lurkers”, being as much part of the blog as anyone else.
I find the first loss of nipping the blog would be to lose that readership, all the more sad because most of us would have no idea of the loss.
Panos you really remind me of professor Snape ala the the Harry Potter books. People might not have liked him throughout the books and people may have similar feelings towards you, but in end you find out that he was really working for the greater good of things (he was in love with Harry’s dead mother) just as you are in love with photography. Isn’t that why any of us are really here? I love going out on a Saturday and devoting it to nothing but maxing out my memory cards, and reading your positive comments helps me implement things into my everyday shooting methods I might not have done on my own. As Lara stated she doesn’t have time to read through all the comments, that said I doubt that anyone, anywhere have the same exact life views and that’s what makes for compelling photographs. I’m what I would call a democrat, yet I listen to Rush Limbough and watch O’reilly and that what I like to call being informed. If you shut down this part of your website, it will just be another long hard search for someone that really knows what the f$#@ their talking about, and I’ve searched and there’s really nothing out there. People please quit fighting and start listening, and David please keep teaching, I can’t afford workshops and this forum is good as a forum can get.
Panos… so it’s a no, I’m guessing. You’ve incurred a debt, brother. You owe us all for your nonsense.
Sela.
Michael McGowan…!
I dont know you , but you sound really honest…
yes… start listening..
thank you Michael… stay positive…
“…Panos you really remind me of professor Snape ala the the Harry Potter books. People might not have liked him throughout the books and people may have similar feelings towards you, but in end you find out that he was really working for the greater good of things (he was in love with Harry’s dead mother)…”
.. Michael… really cool …
loves it… ;-)
peace & hugs
Panos
There is always time to say, no matter what if I hurt your feelings I apologize.
This is not so hard to do.
own your words
i’m scared of the 2%…
All … laugh at this..
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rF4YQZIsRrM
not laughing. apologize.
The interwebs would be a darker place without this blog. We can go much further and do some cool stuff! Besides you always regret what you DID’NT do way more than what you did do. I’m in. What can I do to help?
Stalling? Just means we need to go faster ;-)
DAVID, I’m for see of change. As FDR said “There is nothing to fear but fear itself”. As for the magazine; I presume that it is online? If so I would like to see something like The 37th Frame – or even a merger. As Erica said in the previous post, Dispatches produces both an online and a paper quarterly magazine. I’d like to see a continually updated online mag like 37th Frame with a quarterly magazine like Dispatches. My two cents.
PANOS RAW – I like it. I’m a dad, I wasn’t offended: within the Panos-Speak you made some good points: not for everyone to follow but maybe for some. Some people can barely look after themselves, never mind children. They shouldn’t even have a pet! Others are brilliant mothers and fathers and others adopt and save children from a life of neglect. Enough.
Good light and laughing children to all,
Mike R.
David,
I think we should keep going but I also like your idea of evolution. I think the blog was for the most part a great place, but after a couple of years evolution is natural. I think the magazine is the natural step forward and I cant wait to see it come to fruition.
i finally got back an internet connection… and i came back to this… previous post & coments, and this one… troubled waters indeed… but i’m sure we will overcome
…
‘freedom of speech’
does not equal
‘opening the floodgates whenever i feel like it’
“responsibility” for one’s words is an important factor in exercising one’s freedom of speech.
…
panos, i love you, you know that, but you cannot use the “toughness” of your own life to give legitimacy to your opinions.
omg i used the “cannot” word… sorry
(the part of children/no children is, as far as i’m concerned, not relevant in this case. i respect those opinions, and strong cases can be made, both ways.)
i don’t think i’ve ever offered a strong opinion here, and i’m guessing this was the only time.
…
i feel saddened, because i feel the reality of my own “tough” life has been ridiculed here, as well as my actions (not my words) towards this community
i’m saddened, in such a way that i find it difficult to “recharge” my energy for the upcoming workshop, or posting here
i’m saddened, because great guy david b needlessly got hurt. you know what i did last week? i went out and searched for days and found and sent a PRESENT to celebrate the birth of Tor Capa.
i am a man of actions, not words, so i beg you all:
walk the walk, don’t talk the talk.
know that i love you all
seriously
off
anton
Please keep going … change, yess … adapt to new circumstances, yess … but do not stop.
Do not let the feeling of having a stone in the shoe mess up the wonderful road trip. Sit down, take the shoe off, check it, maybe it is just the sock that got a wrinkle, straighten everything out, put the shoe on again, and … enjoy the wonderful “road trip”.
It is more difficult to do these things online. Not in person. But sometimes it has advantages too. Only … as it is difficult … we all have a responsibility here. Like in a family not only responsibility for one self but also for the larger group.
See … while everyone was arguing here, Neil wrote me an email inviting me to stay at his place if I ever felt like taking my project to Edinburgh! I did not ask him to do that. And he did not post it here in the open either … Neil and I have met once at Perpignan, specifically at the meeting where David wanted to talk to us about the blog’s future, and that was it. I think we shaked hands and introduced each other. Not more. And now this… so quiet … but so incredibly helpful for me, as I am financing all these travels by myself.
I am not sure if he is happy that I am telling this here — please forgive me Neil, but it is for a bigger cause.
I am telling it, so that everybody sees that there are more things being born out of this blog, quiet & beautiful & very valuable things.
And if I mention Neil, I have to mention Bob, who, also yesterday as he read that I was going to Charlotte NC, proposed to make a contact to his brother and his wife, who happen to live there …
…
And I have to mention Panos too, who, also yesterday, amidst all the trouble, found the time to sent me an important information I was seeking and not finding.
There were many more things that happened and so many more wonderful people offering their help and support – I choose to tell you about what went on only yesterday, because yesterday was the day where everything in my eyes seemd to be falling apart here in the open.
But as you can see … this is not the whole truth … there is so much more going on here. Do not forget this please.
Let us move on on this road trip. Who knows what will be behind the next hilltop? Let us go and find out!
David, I do not know how I can help with the magazine … I am not an accomplished writer and my projects will need so much more time before I can post a relevant piece of them…
But if you have something in mind where I could be of help, please let me know and I will be there!
Off to work,
Lassal
ANTON,
please do “recharge” your energy for the upcoming workshop… I am sure it will be very special. Day of the DEAD in Mexico is something I have wanted to cover for some time…I thought I was going to go this year but will have to wait for another time… I have lots of Mexican friends at work that keep telling me that if this is one thing to go and photograph this is this event so…. please have the batteries full and bring us back a wonderful essay with some insights on what happens there…
LASSAL,
How can you say that you are not an accomplished writer :):):)? I love your sentence:
Do not let the feeling of having a stone in the shoe mess up the wonderful road trip. Sit down, take the shoe off, check it, maybe it is just the sock that got a wrinkle, straighten everything out, put the shoe on again, and … enjoy the wonderful “road trip”.
Lassal, we love your words and high spirit!!! I just saw your note at the end of the very last post… Well my friend, will look for a post card from here… Ohio will be waiting for you if you can make it… I have a large house here if you are not afraid of stopping by a place with 2 marvellous kids who do not stop running around…
TO ALL-
I would like to cheer us all up this morning but the link that I am about to share will certainly not achieve this… It will not cheer you but might touch you and help us put things into perspective….I was just checking the Media Storm site this morning and found this topic “Intended Consequences” about the genocide in Rwanda…
http://www.mediastorm.com/0024.htm
This subject touched me even more as this is an event that I have read a lot about at the time and after and actually had some friends from Rwanda…why do men want to fight and kill one another… I still do not understand sometimes what goes in some people’s head… the evil side of humanity… I see this and keep thinking of the words that Jim Nachtwey shared with all at Look3… so easy to hate, so difficult to love and do good around you….
Eric
Dear friends,
When I left NY I was very upset. I had gone there explicitly to work with DAH on a very specific issue–how to bring that look of the NY workshop last year into my personal work. I allowed FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real) to prevent me from accomplishing that.
Over the next few days I did talk with DAH via email about the issue and it was resolved but I felt bad that I had allowed misunderstandings to stand in the way of learning what DAH so willingly offered me.
I have been traveling a lot; I went to Clarksville, TN to see my daughter after NY and we all went to Lexington, KY for two days. There I met Andrew B and his lovely family and we all spent many hours exploring what Lexington was about. That last night Andrew and I spent a couple of hours at a table off to the side of a noisy fun factory style establishment looking over my photos while our kids played. Over the two days when we were together we talked photography and I feel richer and wiser for having met a fellow blogger.
When I left Lexington a week ago I stopped in at Bachelor #2′s home (gun toting guy) to re-shoot some of my favorite shots in the light that DAH is teaching me about. However, Web was very ill and the photos I got were not the re-shoots but photos of another nature–his illness (he seemed to be having a series of mini strokes) and his love of his guitar.
That last day of travel was miserable; I had been up in the night with Web and I had somehow managed to catch a flu bug and pulled into my hotel late. I have been holed up in this hotel (albeit a nice one and a favorite) recovering ever since. Though it sounds like lots of bad stuff happened on this last leg, the reality of it is that just like always what needs to happen happens.
Though I missed an opportunity to edit my work that Saturday afternoon in NY with DAH and the gang, I began to understand over the next week what he was trying to teach me about light. Sharing my work with Andrew I continued to see the differences in my work and how that affected an essay.
Web was revealed in a way I have not seen before. Bachelor #1 has quit drinking and we are healing again. As you can tell there are many stories not shared here but it doesn’t matter.
What matters is that in the end what you need is revealed. That is what I feel about this blog. The next step seems very obvious to me–we have outgrown this and we are evolving to the next step–the on-line magazine. I picked up the latest JPeg magazine and I think we are ready for the next step.
On line magazine with stories told by the family formed over the past two years would be extremely exciting, fun and could actually be profitable. I don’t see us in paper form due to many factors, the biggest being the downturn in the economy.
DAH, at this time I am ready to offer you any assistance you need in this area. Let’s take this thing to the next level; I think we are bored with this one. Not bored with each other but from what has happened over the last few days it appears we are ready for the next step–the natives are restless.
I leave for Maui on the 30th and will be working with my friend on a book of my Sufi photos. I plan on being home for a while (except for a short trip in December for the annual Sufi gathering) so I have time and resources to assist you David.
Much love, light, color and mood,
Lee
MORNING ALL
SIDDHARTHA H above wrote “from where i come from, its difficult to access many things that i get to find here so easily, even if it’s virtual, i can still read and see…i maynot be able to have a discussion, but still….”
To me, this has always been the primary beauty of the blog, that it reaches out and embraces people who really care about photography and learning and sharing and may not have a physical photo community ..I am here in NYC, and I don’t ‘need’ the blog to keep me connected, up to date about photo goings-on, to break a sense of isolation..I can take the subway over to DAH’s place, I can meet Mike and Preston and Andrew and the people who blow in through NYC for talk and camaraderie..and I feel that it is a privilege to be able to share what I experience and have access to. It would be a real loss to take away the nourishment that comes in many forms from the people who desire it most.
ERIC / ALL
I posted the same link to Intended Consequences in the middle of the storm on the previous thread for the same reason..not to devalue or cast into a shadow the hurt anyone has experienced here on the blog, but to encourage us all to find our peace..and Tanguy posted it too toward the end of the thread, so that is 3 of us seeing its relevance at this moment..
KATIA/ LASSAL / DAVID B / and ALL
who reached to me in the the last thread..though I may not ‘need’ this place in the above mentioned way, the greatest benefit I have received form it is that of an experience of goodness, of caring, of community. Look at the concern, the encouragement, the understanding, that has come..sincerely thank you for giving.
I KNOW what a time commitment it can be to contribute, to keep up, it can feel like a part time job sometimes, it can feel ridiculous and extraneous at times, it can creep in to one’s “real” life in undesired ways..but all in all, I have known goodness and friendship here. Many of us know each other only through our words, and that is perhaps an inherently problematic aspect of the virtual..from ‘actions speak louder than words’, and ‘you will know them by their fruit’ and ‘talk is cheap’, it is echoed that without action we are only receiving part of the picture..so my quiet request for all is that we try to remember that in both reading and writing here..for the health of the whole.
I am one of those lurkers, and am just starting to see what this blog/forum is really all about and it would a shame to see it go away. I met Harvey back in 2004 at a Santa Fe workshop. I wasn’t taking a workshop by him but ever since I met him I had wanted the opportunity to be a part of one of his workshops. But workshops cost money and this forum sees to be next best thing for those of us who can’t afford such things. Please keep this ship afloat.
Cheers,
Preston
Did Panos offend anyone in person ? Nope.
His original post sounded more like a reaction to single parents.
…. Why are there demands about ” apologies” ??? For whom ? Any single, disadvantaged parents out there ??????
Brava Panos !
I’m one of the original members of this family (or al least I believe I’m) but today I’m only a visitor that comes and go once in a while…a stranger for most of you..
The family grew to big for me…at the beginning it was a very simple gathering….my english was not that important because conversations were very simple…the simple joy of photography was the biggest motivation… to me, that simplicity was even bigger comming from a guy that was so famous and at the same time so capable of getting close to all of us.
Now the family is too big…to many members and to many emotions…more of a traditional family..
Many years ago I bought a Harley….I dream to have one for 15 years and I finally did. Everybody laugh at me because I used to ride it once a week….a 1 hour ride to the beach and then, back to the garage…people say …how can you use that thing only once a week…something that is so expensive?…they never got it…the Harley was a scape, a pause of everything else that was so traditional and repetitive…a experience… therapy to re-charge batteries..and then…back to the world….and that’s exactly what this blog was for me at the beginning….a pause just to share a passion….to recharge batteries from bills, egos and frustrations of everyday’s life.,,now, maybe it’is a little intimidating…maybe because I don’t live from photography….maybe becacause I still prefer to have that kind of a “Harley’s feeling”…
I hope that David will continue with all of this..maybe I don’t participate that much….but I’m always backstage listening..I have received great advice and support from him from the very beginning,,,now, with 500 posts on each article is more difficult, but he’s always around.
Don McCullin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/johntusainterview/mccullin_transcript.shtml
David, I think you should keep this going, but maybe it needs to look different? Not sure what that could be. Yes this is a troubled time, and one in which photographers need to stick together. As I have chosen to get out of this business to go back to graduate school, this has been a place that keeps me motivated to keep doing the projects I want to do. To do the projects I would shoot (and do) for free, purely for the love of photography.
ALL,
As Erica put it: “All hands on deck”, I agree. This is how we all should play it – wherever this place ends up becoming.
My post yesterday (on other page – thanks ERIC to put the Rwanda link again), ended up with:
“Less Talk, more rock”
I meant that we ALL have to go back to what it truly important here!
Listen to Siddhartha Hajra…
To what it is like when youu can access to thsi whole world through the eyes of so many people!!!
And to have a life/photo “guru” (sorry DAH ;) as our captain seaman to get us to look at who we are (& so much more) !
Listen to Carlos…
I remember reading this blog more than a year ago in Asia, thanks to a fellow DAH blog lurker… I enjoyed it all and kept coming back. I only recently stopped blogging, basically cause I met some of you in real life (all this thanks to this place!). This is kinda unique for a lot of us!
The sea always looks better after a storm, the crew feels more of a family… And everyone can look at the clear blue horizon and enjoy the sun, and enjoy the laughs, and enjoy the stories, and enjoy a good coffee and a refreshing beer… (before everyone gets back to their work and talk about photography! – damn it!)
Anyways, keep it alive !
T.
Do we have any photographer from Japan here?
Maybe it’s a sign:
http://www.humanfiles.com/images/misc/gsc23_0810-62.jpg