advance warning….


update:7:15 am september 3  nags head, north carolina…..hurricane Earl….

house shaking like hell and cannot take much more it seems…but not taking in water anywhere that i can see which is amazing in itself…now blowing 75mph and raining horizontal sheets…my street is a river…i doubt i can even walk outside and surely not make it to the truck….i cannot believe electricity is on and coffee almost ready…

simply spectacular to see and feel , but not something easy to show in a picture..will a shot out my front door is probably best i can do and even that will not be easy…weather satellite shows it is almost over…cats tired of being prisoners in the darkroom…they do not seem to have any appreciation whatsoever that i saved their lives…so far

( below is september 1  post)

no joke, i am now in a bit of trouble…

hurricane Earl , now updated to cat 4 is gathering strength …and headed for my town…this is a very different report than i had earlier today when we all thought Earl was going to pass 300 miles out to sea ….now, it appears we have been given advance warning of the worst possible news for those of us who live in the Outer Banks of North Carolina… all but permanent residents are being evacuated and almost everyone is preparing to leave…our island can take any beating , it is  supposed to move around and come and go,  but the structures on it are extremely vulnerable to wind and water at all times…everybody knows, nobody should live here…

yet i do, and i always knew the risks…grew up in this neighborhood, fell in love with photography in this neighborhood…

i now have about 24 hours to make some very major moves…i must do all i can to save my house and honestly there is not too much i can do except close the wooden hurricane shutters…what i really must do is round up all things of archival value…my negatives which i have here ready to make use of my darkroom …was just getting ready to print a few editions of my early family work…

my son Bryan and his girlfriend yoga maestra Michelle  are my neighbors…just by amazing luck we are all here now to lend each other a hand ….Bryan travels the world as a film maker but always makes sure he is here this time of year for the world class surf…Bry lives to surf and he has made it an art….film making is in second place in his mind, but his visual talent is clear….Bryan’s main tool,  the surf , was in its most majestic moment this afternoon…..alas, those beautiful waves from this afternoon might just come and try to clean out these overbuilt beaches by tomorrow…i just love those waves….they are the earth and the earth has rights… more than my personal property which i hope will survive, but it won’t be the end of the world if it doesn’t…

however, i am not idle, nor complacent ….if the projected path of the hurricane continues as is predicted , i will have no choice but to put my negatives/prints/books  etc into my pickup truck and drive away to safety…if it were not for the negatives etc i would be tempted to stick it out..and no my friends cannot come and get the negatives for me..already thought of that…they will not let anyone not from here to come here…i think …

hmmmm, story here?? maybe i can get permission from NatGeo to let me publish a picture or two here on Burn from what is going on…i mean wouldn’t that create buzz for their upcoming OBX  NatGeo Magazine story which they are contracting from me?? just thinking off the top of my head…more important things for me to think about now…

when things get dire , i feel my best…little things irritate me and i am annoyed too easily….but big things and major problems tend to make me calm and focused… problems are no more important than anyone’s,yet this seems to be a problem for many…every tv network on the planet is set up down on the beach…..anyway let’s not overdue this..all things relative and in the realm of natural fluctuations , this is the easiest to survive because of the advance warnings…..but i do know that you would be interested and mostly how ironic that we have been discussing archives, and digi and film etc etc…

ok, must move on this …i will keep you updated as best i can….

oh yes, almost forgot, much better and bigger news…Diego Orlando , Special Projects Editor of Burn, is in Perpignan, France at this very moment and is showing (and maybe selling) first edition copies of BURN 01 at Visa Pour L’Image …we must also talk Jean Francois Leroy, Founder and Director,  into at least a projection for the Burn audience next year..if you are in Perpignan now , just know i miss hanging out with  you and yes  please buy a book from Diego…this is a seriously cool book featuring 25 essays from photographers/artists published here on Burn , both iconic and from the audience here, two think pieces by Akaky and Bob Black, and  printed and bound by the best in Italy supervised by Diego and designed by Anton Kusters and researched by Anna Maria  Jester and yea i am in the mix too…  and if you are not published  in this edition,  maybe next….please try….best part of this is if my own stuff ends up underwater, at least i will have BURN 01 to show….i think this really might be the first seriously published book/magazine from the works from an online blog audience…

anyway, just to give you something constructive to do , i will do what i often do and ask you a question…

ok, here is a relevant one: if you were in my shoes , would you now concentrate on getting the old work/negs/prints off the island or should i spend my energies on taking new pictures of the catastrophe around me?

-david alan harvey-

1284 Responses to “advance warning….”

  • If you can not found a safe place for the archives to stay and made photos i think is better put the old work off the island and the energy to do that is number one. If you can solve this first so then solve how to arrange a safe place to resist the storm so you can make photos. Think about it, can you lost all the archives for make new photos? Good luck, sound like you will need it.

  • ahh…remember the days of lone tumbleweeds rolling across Nags Head and Kill Devil Hills~~~~

  • Disaster photos are boring… Good luck, somehow I believe you’ll make the right choice when the time comes (very soon)… Wish everyone in the area to be safe.

  • of course…saving the archives is first priority – reports say Hwy 12 may be flooded – and as NC natives know, hurricanes are a regular visitor, although we have been ‘lucky’ for some time with the near misses of a full impact hurricane – when storm sands and the ocean reach to the mailboxes. Hopefully this hurricane will just brisk by. Need a safer place for the goods? I’m 3 1/2hrs +/- drive east of Hatteras and offer an option. email>>

  • …ooops that’s west of Hatteras, ha ha, late night work and I’m always thinking of going eats to the beach – anyways~~~

  • DAVID,

    Hope you, Bryan, Chris and the whole gang in OBX stay safe first and foremost!… Maybe you should get Bryan to get the hell out of here when it is still time with all your archives while you somehow stay behind…. My sense is that having worked over the past weeks on this OBX assignment for NatGeo, you will want to hang around… but I have never been in a cat 4 Hurricane in woodden homes by the beach…. that certainly does not sound like the best plan…. if you choose to stay, please at least find a safer place if this exists in OBX….

    I also would have liked to be in Perpignan mysef, if only to be able to see this Burn 01… but somehow, this did not work out this year… My father is there… another exhibit as part of the Off so he is on a mission for me to find Diego and get me a copy if possible… Diego will be a popular man there :):).

    Stay safe… Looking forward to the report on Friday/ Saturday after this Hurricane is gone and hopefully all is well and house still standing!


  • Tough call David.

    The first priority is to take care of the archive, maybe duct tape it all into plastic totes and send them off to high ground with someone you trust, who is getting out while the getting is good.

    Then stay and possibly get the best storm photos ever? Depends on how much personal danger you are willing to risk. I love storms, but if it were me I’d get my wimpy bum outa there, shooting pics as I pack and leave.

    Stay safe, good luck, good shooting.

  • DAH
    this is the time to dance your dance….
    a little of this…
    a little of that….
    I don’t know hurricanes,
    but I know fires and earthquakes….
    she’s always the queen..
    our dear
    be safe…

  • Hmmm, big Cat 4? I saw the houses in the marsh and the island cut in two after Hugo in S.C. I can’t imagine sustained winds of 140 with much higher gusts. Bent a car door in a gust of 100. Go. After all, aren’t all the best pictures on the edges, not in the eye of the storm? I mean, who are you going to photograph there anyway? :))
    Best to you and all your family, I see it’s projected to hit Delmarva as well.

  • Save the negatives (and hard drives, cameras, mementoes, kittens etc)!! And yourself! New photos aren’t worth it. And there will be pics to made evacuating. Best of luck David. Thinking of you….

    …god our weather is boring here in the PNW:)


  • DAH,

    Thanks for taking time in the midst of all this to share your two cents worth on my comment in the last thread. As usual, your two cents is worth a million bucks to me! :))

    It may please you to know that even if you have to leave and are unable to get a single new shot…the one you posted at the top of this thread is my favorite image I’ve seen in MONTHS! Who is that girl??? I LOVE it.

    Safety is first and foremost but can’t you pack everything up and put it in your truck and then go out and shoot? I guess Mother Nature is going to be the ultimate “decider” here. You will know what is possible and will act accordingly. We will all be waiting to hear how it goes. Take care.

  • DAVID,

    I shouldn’t be, what I know about hurricanes
    but hell… I am!
    Completely sure everything will be alright! Will be fine!
    aftermath you will have a lot to clean only.
    Be sure your family is safe
    then be sure You are safe
    than take care about old stuff
    then take care about new frames

    and one more, when worst will comes remember the corners of your basement are the most safe places!

    and picture you’ve published is outstanding!
    I love your sensitivity for the moment.
    Hope you will take more but safety!safety!

    I will thinking of you and keep fingers crossed my friend

    and give us note how are you and your family just right after you can!

  • Stay safe.

    I recently had my first experience with a typhoon. Only its fringes touched Manila on its way to the South China Sea but that was enough to scare the hell out of me.

    I can’t imagine what it’ll be to be in the middle of a Cat 4, in a wodden house. I think priorities should be: 1. yourself 2. your negatives etc. 3. new photos. Hopefully you’ll find a way of doing reasonably well with the three of them.


  • Dear David,

    I’d say grab those negs, prints and other valuables and get out of there. Better to be safe.

    Good luck out there!




    (serious… she would tell you to get the hell out of there)

  • David,

    down here we annually have ad campaigns ‘stay or go’… forest fires are our worst nightmare.
    being surrounded by eucalypts (highly flammable trees) for miles around. there’s not that much one can do.

    the summer before last a fire got out of control and came close enough for us to have ashes blowing into the front porch. very scary. lucky for us the wind changed direction but others in the neighboring town weren’t so lucky…

    my thoughts were for the safety of my family and a bag of hard drives & my camera – couldn’t think much past that.

    as others have said, grab all those negs and prints and hard drives, maybe see if someone else can drive, and shoot your escape, ‘the exodus of obx’ sounds to me like it could make a very nice dps…

    best of luck

  • Send the negs on with someone trustworthy and stay. It’s what you do.

  • Send the negs on with someone trustworthy and stay. It’s what you do.

    Good luck whatever you do.


  • Well, having lived through hurricane Lothar back in ’99 in the Swiss mountains, where trees were flying like matches, roofs taking off like wings and silos rolling downhill like toys.. dunno.. you’ll do what you’ll have to do, but if you stay and there’s still time, think ‘no power’, get water and food that needs no cooking.. we were cut off completely, no heating (in December in the snow, no possibility to light a fire in the house we were), no water, no cooking, roads interrupted by debris for days, no medical help.. I’m sure you’ll do what your heart tells you to do, for the practical needs listen also to your head! Un’abbraccio! And: the cats!!

  • David, I think you’ll find a way to do both somehow :)
    Whatever, take care good care, and if it doesn’t sound crazy enjoy it, it makes you know you’re alive.

  • I’d get my negs etc. and my cats somewhere safe and then decide what to shoot. As Tom Hyde says, “After all, aren’t all the best pictures on the edges, not in the eye of the storm? I mean, who are you going to photograph there anyway? :))”.

    The chances are that in the storm you are not going to be able to see/photograph anything. The consequences to the human population and the environment of the OBX are the story (like Phillip Jones Griffiths in Vietnam, the people were the story, not the bang-bang). This being the case, photograph the refugees (your neighbours) from the hurricane both during, and after, when they return home: and photograph the effects on the OBX – again, when you return. It’s a plan, and a good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow (film, The Edge). And look after the cats!

    Stay safe.


  • David!

    I’d take my old stuff first but.. listen to your heart and try to be safe whatever you decide!


  • David,

    Beautiful photo…

    I think ultimately I would get the stuff off the island, but the urge to stay and take pictures would be very strong…at least until I saw a tree flying past me!! Live to see other days…and yes, don’t forget the cats!!

  • Oh, David, when you emerge from Earl, and before you get hit by Fiona, do you think I could drive by Diego and get one of those Burn01 books??

  • Ricardo Vasconcelos

    Save the negatives and your memories and above all, help each other! It is not worth losing the work of a whole lifetime for a story, although I realize that this city, this neighborhood, is also your life.
    Here in the south Europe is very hot, especially here in Portugal. Many fires are destroying entire villages and ruin lives. This world is collapsing…
    I hope everything goes for the best with you and your family.


  • EVA…

    yes, that is where my head is as well…anxious to see as are you….


    so, how is Burn 01 in your opinion? after all , you are the star!!


    cats now residing in the darkroom…have enough food and water etc for several days…did not know what else to do…they cannot travel with me…can you imagine 3 cats with me in a car driving around in a storm trying to take pictures?

    cheers, david

  • Can’t you have your kid or daughter-in-law take the stuff?

    I wouldn’t presume to advise you on such important matters as your life and legacy. If it were me, I like to think I’d say to hell with the material crap and experience such a powerful moment, and I probably would, but these days I find it harder to say to hell with my family to get that old looking into the abyss of death clarity and exhilaration, so again, can’t presume to advise. Feel a bit jealous though.

    Fantastic photo, btw. Love the composition.

  • David,

    I don’t think any new photographs you could take would be worth risking all the beautiful photographs you have already taken, as well as your life…….. priority should be packing up and getting out, then if there is any time left you can shoot. Be well.


  • evacuation…u just staying there..doing the photos…enjoying the wild side:)
    You will be rewarded!


    Michael, pleased you like the picture..but was not sure if anyone would see the girl…hard to see this photograph on the computer screen…

    smiling…”my kid” is kinda in the same boat, no pun intended…while he has no archives here to save, he is a videographer and is trying to decide to shoot or to leave…the tough part of the decision is this…there are no cat 4 hurricanes on record having hit this part of the coast….even the modern houses up to code are built to maybe maybe withstand a cat 3…cat 4 considered a total wipe out of all structures…we are just a few feet above sea level…my old house will absolutely not survive a cat 4 direct hit…

    i have photographed hurricanes before and rode out the worst, Gloria, way back in the eighties…hard to shoot..almost nothing to see while it is happening…damn things usually hit at night and wind pics?? very scary while they hit…scary but with not much to shoot usually….bad combo…hmmmm…damage pics are generally boring aren’t they?? anyway, on the case…batts charged…extra cards….cats in the dark room….boarding windows…hard drives in the back seat of my truck and my negatives and vintage prints too…crazy…i mean really….

    cheers, david

  • DAH

    Only you can make the decision on whether to ride it out or not. If it is going to be close and a cat 4, I would seriously consider leaving.

    No, the best pictures are not necessarily on the “edge.” Here is the thing. If you leave, and there is a lot of serious damage to infrastructure and roads, the authorities can and probably will prevent ANYONE from returning until they deem it is safe to travel the area. This was always something to think about when I was living on Hilton Head and the evacuation call came. If you left, the best you would get was traffic and people huddled in hotels. If you stay, you get first-hand coverage of the damage, the people returning (which will be harder if you are stuck in traffic returning) and the recovery work.

    But of course none of this is worth risking your life.

    Now in the future, I would seriously consider investing in a bunch of Pelican cases. Big and small. They are the best waterproof cases I have used for cameras and important things like film, prints and computer hard drives. Buy them and have them ready to pack. When the next storm comes, load all the important stuff and be prepared one way or the other. A couple of thousand dollars worth of Pelican cases is the best insurance in the world. And if you leave, you can throw them in the back of the truck and go.

    It never ceases to amaze me how when a hurricane is on the way, everyone runs out and buys water, generators, batteries and all the supplies they need. If you LIVE in a hurricane zone, you should already have all of this. I guess it is just human nature to procrastinate about these things.

  • PETE…

    exactly….procrastination is the mother of all “i will get it right next time” endeavors…

  • You know, to follow Herve’s tradition of calembour I would say… Get the Earl out of there!

  • Again, can’t presume to advise, though the intelligent thing to do seems rather obvious. Storywise, I’d guess there are probably more relevant photos to be had along the evacuation route and in temporary shelters, no? Lots of people adapting to difficult conditions. I’m sure that’s the story most people live rather than the huddled loner scenario. And I’m pretty sure you can talk your way past the state police for the aftermath, should you decide to leave.

  • David,

    “my old house will absolutely not survive a cat 4 direct hit…”

    I hope the hurricane will not blow with full strength. You have such a beautiful house! I was always jealous about your beach house and The ocean of course :)
    Be safe, be wise and dont forget about your cats :)

  • No need to worry about David ,,,,,,,,,, he’s out there like a kid waiting under the xmas tree for for his new toy. Gotta luv it!

  • Pete with practical ideas, Panos with a ride em cowboy attitude…which way do you think i will go? yea, well that was easy wasn’t it? the reality is that this will most likely turn out to be the party night of the year..the folks who stay, which now includes a bunch of us , will huddle for a tequila or two…first of all , this gives perspective..about what is important and what is not…so, basically i will try to save the negs, hard drives only of my personal possessions and be prepared and am prepared psychologically to let it all go..i can even say goodbye to my favorite house ….even the life safety issue is not an issue…i would rather be blown off a mountain top than get hit by a bus, if you get my drift…nature dangerous is nature at her best….try to get to the sidelines and see the show, because it is a show…every single major natural “disaster” would in fact be a totally amazing thing to see…we just build our houses in the wrong places, that’s all….Pelican case packed w negs (been using em for years) and bottle of Patron and some candles ready…yeeeehaa !! what more can a man ask for?? well, yea, but i am on sabbatical…

  • MW

    ” I’m sure that’s the story most people live rather than the huddled loner scenario. And I’m pretty sure you can talk your way past the state police for the aftermath,”

    As for the first part, yes that is the most obvious story, unfortunately also the most told. During major storms the media is flooded with these photos. If a photographer can be safe and stay, especially if they can huddle in with a family or a group of die-hard storm riders, that is the story that will be unique among all the other coverage.

    As far as talking your way back in, good luck. I was friends with half of the cops that covered the island I was living on and my father was a personal friend of the sheriff. I also lived on the island. I was told under no uncertain terms that if I left during a mandatory evacuation, that there was no way in hell I would be allowed back on the island until an all clear was issued. OH, and I was working for the local paper at the time also. I would say that IF you got pre-authorized to return early, that would be one thing. Otherwise I would certainly not count on it.

    You need to understand the logistics. I have not been to the OBX but from what I can see there is essentially one main road in and out. This is the way it is on Hilton Head. After the storm passes, if you plan on getting back early once they open the roads, you have to show up early. People would be in their cars queued and ready along the road coming back. It was backed up 15 miles one time.

    Again, these are just the facts of an evacuation. Your safety is always first over the photos, so that is the first decision. A cat 4 on the beach in a beach house… glancing blow by the storm… maybe, depending on where you can hunker down. Direct hit? NO WAY. Catagory 3, maybe. Cat 1 or 2 I would probably stay. But alway have a safe place, which may not be your home.

  • By all means,take care of the image archive.
    As well as part of your future economy it is yout legacy.
    Riding out a Cat 4 storm will,at best,only result in more hurricane images.
    Ironioc,really, that the hurricane angle is quite a key component in your OBX story
    but hardly worth risking 5 decades of work in addition to your life.

    Does make an interesting case for a digital archive,though where multiple offsite
    copies of the originals would make this part of your decision moot.


  • David,

    I’ve got a buddy in Morehead City. I know it’s across the sound, but perhaps it’s a safe-house option for
    the archive, but hell they are most likely in it as deep as you, but he’s on the mainland.

  • “Pete with practical ideas,” ????

    Just giving the facts. Truth be told, it would be very hard to get me to leave. anything short of a direct hit by a cat 4 or 5 and I would most likely stay. Generator and SAT phone at the ready!

  • “Does make an interesting case for a digital archive,though where multiple offsite
    copies of the originals would make this part of your decision moot.”

    Ah yes… Photoshelter… dual mirrored datacenters.

  • PETE…

    i can make some decisions at the last minute…IF i found out that a cat 3 or 4 hit was coming directly at me, i would still have a couple of hours get off…cat 4 direct hit not survivable i have heard…dying one thing, suicide another…however, i am now looking into a very sturdy hotel as a possibility….i think what is going to happen is that i will literally be driving around with my negatives, drives, some prints in the back of the truck as i “cover” this event…got some poetry to it , right? what most likely will happen i think is that this cold front moving east will save us..keep the storm just offshore…still a helluva blow is coming…but perhaps not a direct hit…

  • On a related note, there’s a tropical storm watch here in Brooklyn. I’m thinking I should evacuate (frankly any excuse will do), but doubt it would fly with the boss. Anyway, if I make it down to the beach, I’ll keep an eye out for any pelican cases that wash up.

    All joking aside, best wishes. I’ll say a word to the void for your safety.

  • MW

    Burn Hotel is 6 floors up….

    friends with an apartment well above sea level – priceless…for everything else there is Mastercard…

  • DAH

    Yeah, that is why I always waited until the last minute. You have time, but it is a good thing everyone does not get to think like that. Would be a hell of a stormy traffic jam.

    Now about driving around a storm with negs and drive in the back of a truck… poetry is not really the word that comes to mind. (laughing). I hope they are in waterproof containers?

    Oh, and I knew you were not going anywhere!

  • loving this. find myself checking the weather at OBX and worrying about David…following him on this journey. Looking forward to seeing the outcome and some images….stay safe. (but not too safe)

  • OK, so it’s decided.

    I can feel the giddy excitement. Ride-em cowboy.

    I gotta say David Alan, you live big. Have fun at the party.

  • DAH,

    Another reason to stay: NWS forecast calls for a beautiful Labor Day Weekend :-)

    Seriously though, stay safe! Keeping you in my prayers…


    yes, i thought it fortuitous that we were just having the archive discussion…

  • dear Mr. Harvey, i would never venture to tell you what you should do, especially in a life threatening situation… you have been in and survived many risky situations before.. so your survival instincts must be well attuned and i’m sure they are on full alert at the your instincts, if it doesnt feel right, get outta there!

    having said that, if i were in your shoes, i would be probably stay. i think it would all come down to whether or not the storm surge was predicted to completely overwash the area..which would be catastrophic for sure..or if i was near a piece of relatively high gound, .since it appears that earl will pass a bit to the east ( of course as you already know, that’s not a given,,hurricanes tend to be fickle and wobble, so landfall and track are somewhat iffy) the brunt of the storm should/could remain off shore..but even a predicted storm surge of 4 feet is significant on an exposed ribbon of sand with an elevation averaging only a few feet above sea level…hmmm..what would Chris Bickford do?

    as others have already suggested, if it were me and i stayed, i would consider entrusting the prints, negatives and cats with a friend leaving the area. if/when earl hits, there will be damage. i would then start figuring out a way to survive the situation, get my gear ready, and try to be ready for anything,,while hoping to make meaningful images of not only the storm, but the way the strongly individualistic souls of the outerbanks deal with another dose of adversity…

    David i know it’s hard to leave when something so historic is headed your way, especially since you’re working on the outer banks story.. but please be safe! perhaps the collective well wishes/ good energy from the Burn community will create some sort of force field around you and help keep you safe.. i certainly hope so!

    good luck!!!

  • Kinda figured you would stay :)) The pelican case also acts as a flotation device, even fully loaded. What’s not to love?

  • This is crazy.. now I gotta have to worry for an adult man that I haven’t ever met in person (yet), just like it was one of the kids roaming all over the place.. methinks I just log off and play ostrich.. and the most crazy thing is I even understand why you’re going to stay, sheesh!!!

  • How is this even an argument? Stuff your archives into plastic bags and then haul your ass on out of there.

    AKAKY IRL: And this is very sound advice, coming, as it does, from a man who absolutely refused to go to a hotel during the Twin Peaks blizzard back in February. We froze our ass off for five nights straight because dumbass here didnt want to spend the money to go someplace warm. So my advice is to take any advice you get from him with a grain of salt

  • hey, can we reopen the “write a caption” contest? Earl certainly gives new opportunites for captioning the picture of David photographing a woman on top of a submerged van! :)

  • DAH…

    You said you weren’t sure if anyone would notice the girl…

    In case you missed my original comment here is a portion of it reposted…

    “It may please you to know that even if you have to leave and are unable to get a single new shot…the one you posted at the top of this thread is my favorite image I’ve seen in MONTHS! Who is that girl??? I LOVE it.”

  • “hey, can we reopen the “write a caption” contest?”

    And I promise to stay sober, and better yet, not to post this time.

  • Eva

    I doubt somehow that there was more than a moment of doubt in David’s mind that he would be staying.

    Davids gift to us here is the opportunity to seriously ask ourselves what we would do in his situation, and thereby gain a little more insight into who we each are. What do we value most?
    I’m with you, and with most everyone I suspect. I’d be out’a there.

    I love Davids post..rather be blown off a mountain than hit by a bus, and looking forward to the best party of the year. I can see the grin on his face. Me, I hope to die quietly in my bed.

  • I would do both! Get everything you mentioned you wanted to save (negs, etc) in the truck ready to go then spend as much time as you have left shooting! And shoot while driving out!


  • Yeah, I figured David would stay against all advice. Good. Fascinated to see what he does with “disaster” photography. Stay safe man.

  • But don’t drink too much that you lose sense of safety…

  • Gordon, it’s how you live not how you die what counts.. adding not even when.. but that’s all theoretical talk, and I got no problems when I’m involved personally and have to decide for myself.. it’s only when others I care about are involved that I become an overprotective.. ehm, biddy you all it over there in the States? And no, there was not much doubt about David’s choice..

  • DAH
    perhaps your hurricane story is of you packing and kitties in basement….

  • Because I enjoyed (not) both Hurricane Rita and Ike, I would suggest David get the hell out of there. The Crystal Beach area near Galveston was devastated by Ike. Beach houses by the hundreds before the storm, utter devastation afterwords. Staying is a good way to end up dead.

    We took a direct hit by Rita, and we are about 70 miles from the coast. Fifty percent of the trees in our heavily forested county were knocked down by the hurricane or twisted off by the hundreds by small tornadoes the Hurricane spawned. Many homes were destroyed, many had multiple large trees through the roof. We had no power for 14 days. MRE’s get a little old if that’s all you get to eat for two weeks!

    Get out of there! :)

  • DAH –

    sending good thoughts and prayers and mantras, but be more discerning than daring in the quest for new images, please…

    Are you positive there no safe deposit boxes / vaults anywhere in your vicinity that are still open /accessible for the archives?

    Re: driving around, I heard a major reason residents can stay and tourists need to go is because residents know where to park and tourists do not. So whatever that means, take heed if you are parking quickly to get an image.

    Re: Audrey, she has not yet met up with Diego, but will soon.

    I am very happy your family is there with you. Keep us posted if you are able. We’ll keep the protective vibes flowing from our ends of the burn universe.

  • DAH–

    i’m sure i would stay too. :)
    to photograph, yes, but also to Feeeel that Life Surging, wow..
    you must be absolutely electrified!
    i’m breathless just thinking about it.


  • Remember Al Roker?

    Don’t be this guy. Get your stuff and get out of there. If possible you can secure everything on mainland, find a boat, and get back to the island *after* the storm. Take reasonable risks.


    Diego should be Cafe Leposte by night after slide shows etc…leave message here for him…he was also supposed to get Burn into the bookstore…do not know if that happened or not…

  • DAH –

    i’d make a backup of the computer too. stay as long as you can. photograph your way out of there. if you do leave, how far do you have to go? where would you go? how would you get there? you aren’t really going to your brooklyn loft when Earl is headed there as well? more questions than answers. maybe i would stay.

    stay safe/keep shootin’

  • KATIA…

    yes, exactly….we could change our minds in a few hours if we see 100% chance of cat 4 direct hit which would mean most likely this island would be totally submerged…145 mi per hour winds and water take out all in their path …anything less than that and i think we ride it out…


    Chris Bickford does not live far from me…he told me a few minutes ago he was staying as well…

  • I remember the road out of that area where DAH lives. Narrow and congested. Can’t imagine what it would be like to evacuate in the hell of the moment of the storm’s wrath. Think trying to get out would be worse. But I have never been in a hurricane and was in a tornado once but didn’t realize it till next morning it was so dark. No experience like those stated by Jim.

  • LEE..

    during summer rental changes the road can become congested on sat and sunday…evacuation as well, but most of that happens long before the storm arrives…many left yesterday under clear sunny skies…today pretty quiet…i could get out of here in 20 minutes if the bridge is open…considering now a hotel maybe two or three floors up…but the good news is house has been sitting on this beach for about 80 years…isn’t that worth something?

  • Hang on tight David – from what I’ve gathered, you’ve got the negs and HDs packed up already. I’d imagine those pelican cases can take a lot of abuse – just make sure they don’t float away in that car – maybe drop the cats and archive off at the 6th Floor Burn Motel… Keep snapping a few as you go – I’m envisioning some good back-of-the-book, behind-the-scenes stuff for sure. Wish you all the best, man. Stay safe and good vibes to you and the whole OBX community.

    …and can’t wait to get my hands of a copy of Burn01!

  • David,

    I’m in contact with Diego, we have to meet on next friday, we missed each other last wednesday and today I’m not in Perpignan. Can’t wait to see burn01 :=)) thank you !!! Maybe I should come with the real stars : my parents


    oh yes, bring your parents for sure…only sorry i am not there to meet them….please give your mother and father my warmest personal regards…..


    nice to hear from you Jim…and , as usual, you make sense…you and i do play the game a bit differently, but i have always respected you and your views and share many if not all of them….

  • Good luck, David! stay safe

    as Civi would say: what not to leave?
    We are with you (I’m even pouring water over the screen…;):

  • Haven’t you built your reputation of the photos you’ve shot? Are you usually a disaster photog? Haven’t you always said that archives are the most important?

    Grab your negs and get out.

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    no panic…BUT please, get out of there NOW…take the kids,the chickens,the negatives,the positives…
    my airline has canceled …my flight over there…

    yes,what not to leave…I am making an extra key for the Greek home…
    time to use it

  • Amigo!

    Forgot that you lived there in the path of the storm. Having weathered more hurricanes on the Gulf Coast than I care to remember, wish you and yours all the best.

    My thoughts and prayers are with you amigo.

    Bueno suerte!

    Don Arturo

    P.S. Get your ass and your archive out of there! That way you can come back and shoot aftermath.

  • I have to say that “Personally” The best time of my life was in 2004. I had just moved to Orlando, Florida, and 3 days after arriving I was hit with Hurricane “Charley”. Less than a month after Charley hit, 2 more hurricanes followed.

    The feeling was more than exhilarating, and the apartment complex I lived in decided to make the best of things (burgers and beers became communal). Here’s to your safety no matter what decision you make. If it comes down to the thrill of Natures Fury, or loosing a world class photographer/human being than please make the sensible one.

  • DAVID…

    um FORTE abraço.

  • Nice picture. Quick vote to stick around and do what you do.

  • Hello David,

    Like you say, the forces of nature are the Earth. You would never forgive yourself if something would happen to your son. So take Brian, Michelle, the archival boxes and avoid getting hurt. Taking some pictures might still be possible on the way out. Great shot by the way.
    I went over the edge once without my fault, good I’m still here to be their for my loved ones and share these feelings.
    Still, the rush of adreneline and the excitement of the moment…great to shoot on the edge but it is easy to forget the danger.

    Best, Edward

  • “A quick run is better than a fast stand.”

    Irish proverb.


    Don Arturo…what a pleasure to have you here…does it take a hurricane for you to show up?? laughing…been too long amigo…should be Houston in the fall, so we must meet…

    i think all is going to be ok….festive atmosphere my neighborhood…folks now coming over to sit on my front porch for a beer and a sip of tequila…wind to hit at midnight but only gusts to 75mph and unless Earl takes another turn, he is rolling north and just missing our coastline for a direct hit by a few degrees…the buzz in the air is palpable..i think it will all be over by sunrise..which means yet again another storm rolls through in the dark and no pictures…

    no longer worried about saving my archive…i have not moved a thing from my house, but all windows shuttered closed and all objects removed from front porch and around…think all ok at this wind velocity…we have that much velocity frequently and for longer periods of time during a northeaster which traditionally does most of the damage around here..hurricanes have the drama but blow through quickly, but northeasters do the dirty work and hang on and on and on….

    many many thanks to all of you for your good wishes…and hope i did not cause any unnecessary worry…it could indeed have been bad..and i guess we should not say it is over until it is over…anyway, feeling the good vibes from you….and if you were here, all my Burn audience would of course be invited over for a cold you are always…

    cheers, david

  • Dear David– Sending good vibes, but I’m not worried about you. :) Just feels like you’ll be fine and I know you’ll come thru this with an interesting perspective! I grew up in Texas and when hurricanes approached, we drank hurricanes. Love this picture!

  • David, I just signed up this morning for a workshop with you in Aranjuez in less than 2 weeks…..and I don’t want to have to claim my money back!! Just kidding, but still, if that thing remains cat 4, pack your negs an most beloved possesions and get the fuck out of there. A few hurricanes pictures are not worth it.

    and pardon my french btw.

  • 80 years is a long time. Glad you have an easy way out if necessary. Take the cats in a carrier…


  • DAVID.. I would probably try to lock my neg’s down somehow and be out there in that spot where I feel i can possibly get those images. Cat 4 is dangerous so you don’t need any of us to say be careful but..! I grew up surfing waves here on the south coast of N.S.W south of sydney and I also have a sense of awe towards them. They hold me reminding me that there is something much bigger on our planet than mankind.

    Whatever happens, just get out alive!

  • DAVID… just read your post here. Good to hear. Fingers crossed here on the other side of the world.

  • …stay to photograph the first rays of sun and sit in the silence income ….
    A beautiful and powerful photograph.

  • Preying to God, you & your family & other people in that region for their safe passage from Cat4.

  • ” nature dangerous is nature at her best ” ……. dig it ……. stay safe DAH ….. cheers vivek

  • Your question was a fake one i think. You want to stay since first moment. Don´t know if put the archives in your house is a good idea except if you have a cellar. If no, maybe make a hole an put all the things enveloped with some plastic can preserve all safe. Do a map an send it by email to family or friends. Then you can be free to think about enjoy the storm if that is possible. Cuidate che, aunque me da curiosidad ver tus fotos me parece que primero está la seguridad de quienes amamos incluídos nosotros mismos. Saludos y buena suerte otra vez

  • David,

    my thoughts just after Peter “just read your post here. Good to hear. Fingers crossed here on the other side of the world.”

    glad you’re ok

  • house shaking like hell and cannot take much more it seems…but not taking in water anywhere that i can see which is amazing in itself…now blowing 75mph and raining horizontal sheets…my street is a river…i doubt i can even walk outside and maybe not even make it to the car….cannot believe electricity is on and coffee almost ready…just spectacular to see and feel , but not something easy to show in a picture..will a shot out my front door is probably best i can do and even that will not be easy…weather satellite shows it is almost over…cats tired of being prisoners in the darkroom…they do not seem to have any appreciation whatsoever that i saved their lives…so far

  • wow. been thinking of you all night…

  • So you rode it out. Wow. You are brave. Amazing. Think I will make some coffee myself. Glad you made it dude.

  • Glad to hear things going well, still take care for yourself.
    The wind around your house seems to be all the good enery people are sending to you ;-)

  • amigo…

    jsut home….left NS just be earl descends there….had no idea about Earl until yesterday….no tv, no computer, no emails, almost no people for seems like an eternity, a paradise….then, of course, thought all about u in the halifax airport, fingers crossed that it wounded swallow obx…now my thoughts are for our friends in Cape breton….having stuck out 2 hurricanes, my thoughts are with you and the cats :))…..dont worry, cats always appreciate, but it may not be so apparent…more words later….computer stings after so much silence :))

    hugs for you, the boys and the cats….happy you are intact

    more this weekend…



  • good morning David- i’m super glad to see that Earl decided to stay just off shore and that you and your neighbors are safe… a nice adrenalin rush experiencing a taste of the storm, without the utter devastation and misery of a direct hit…

    now with the worst almost over ( for the outer banks anyway- good luck new englanders!)and the wind subsiding soon, i imagine Bryan is ready to surf..


    i am not sure i am going to make that workshop in Spain….you will of course get a refund from EFTI the organizers if i cannot make it…for one thing i am in the middle of a heavy and unexpected shooting here in Carolina….this storm will be over soon, but the pictures will just begin….and on top of everything else , i can barely walk…i had an injury to my foot during all of this mess that might put me down for a few days..not sure…still moving now painfully…so, i cannot walk, it is blowing bad, i need a picture, and i am supposed to be in Spain…mama mia….smiling..

  • So you stood fast. Well, glad it all worked out okay.

  • Glad you made it David, it sounded awfully scary.
    And with your spirits up (and coffee ready) you should be ready for the aftermath too. Stay well and mind your foot.
    Best wishes,

  • David,
    hurricane Earl sounds really ferocious and I hope you manage to keep you and your house in a good condition.
    The image of rain taken out of your car reminds me of a stormy night 20 years ago. My mother woke me up one winter morning and asked me to have a look outside. There I saw the new car of my sister totally covered by our neighbours fir tree which came down that night and crashed right on my sisters Golf. There was hardly anything to be seen from the car…
    It was still dark and so and I decided to go back to bed for a little longer… some time later I heard my sister coming into my room crying „Reimar… my car!!!“ I guess my answer was: „I know!“ So I got out of bed and we looked closer at what happened. Meanwhile it was a bit more bright, but there was not much we could do. For my sister this was a real shock because it was her first car and almost brand new. She phoned the insurance company and I phoned a friend to come along with a chain saw. Some hours later we had liberated the car from the needles, branches and tree trunk. Of course I took many pictures of the rescue mission. The roof of the car was completly smashed – little hope this car would ever drive a meter again. The insurance guy came and took some polaroids… ah, the good old days of film… and then my sister drove the car to the next Volkswagen garage. Hard to believe, but the car was still running. I went to the newspaper and when I went into the newsroom they editor asked me if I had a picture of the storm and I said yes! The image was published in the paper the next day. About a week later the Golf had a new roof and my sister sold the car many years later with 360 000 kilometers on the clock to someone in Turkey where the Golf is probably still running.
    This year we had a lot of rain in August and a severe flooding at the water mill of my family, but luckily we had no major problems… it is somehow part of the location and we are prepared for it. To see the forces of nature is a miracle to watch and I always stand in awe when I witness such events which luckily are very rare in my part of the world. There is little you can do against the forces of nature. In the coming days I have to pump the water out of the cellar…
    Everything is fine in my part of the world. The sun is out here and I hope you will have some sunshine soon. Until then make the best of the weather!
    Take good care and all the best!

  • dah
    and the house stands….
    81 years….
    can’t wait to see a photograph…
    glad you and neighbors are safe….

  • Have to agree: hurricanes suck, but nor’easters suck even more. After a hurricane you dont have to shovel five feet of snow out of your driveway.

  • David, Sorry for your foot injury and for your house and… for negatives.
    If I where you I would save the negatives (about works may be you can reprint.. and all else.. I use to do more than one copy and keep it in different and far away place (disaster recovery lessons at University where useful), of course carrying a camera to take picture… may be an old Nikonos..

    BUT… I’m writing here to tell that I’m in Perpignan with Audrey and .. I JUST BOUGHT THE FIRST COPY OF BURN.01!!!! From Diego. The second copy was sold to Eric parent’s :)
    To give my compliments to all of you is not enough. Perfect selection of the essay.
    We took, with Audrey, some picture i.e. with William Albert Allard with the book. You’ll see it :)

  • … If I where you I’ll also record an audio about the voice of Earl

  • DAH

    Hope you understood it was a joke…..Who cares about money back as long as you’re safe!!

    I just read your last update. It’s wierd to think that you are going trough a cat4 hurricane there, while I read my laptop sipping a cold beer out in my terrace at 33º. It’s amazing how small the world is sometimes, and how big and changing it’s others. What’s not love?

    Good luck and if you finally make it to Spain,you have to tell me all about the experience!!! :))

  • LAURA,

    I am jealous regards Burn01!
    Celebrate with a cold one!

  • LAURA!! Pick one up for me please and drop it off on your way back home!!! Argh.

    Just back from Foligno, Perugia, a couple hours from here. There was an exhibition, Vanessa Winship and George Georgiou. Important word in that sentence is ‘WAS’. As in ‘is’ no more. Has been taken down. Should have come down on September, 9th. Argh.

    But weather is nice, dinner on the table, life is good :)

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    oime…Dearest MR.HARVEY…

    take care the injury…we know…that you know…BUT when the adrenaline is high…
    you don’t really know…hmmm…BUT…I hope you know…that you know…
    well…I have your key for the Greek house…and one extra for our HARVEY family…
    you can bring the cats too…no problem (no kidding)…

    if you need some cleaning…you know…that I know…there are some good BURNIANS out there
    willing to help…is that right …MY BURNIANS???!!!…

    amazing…you write good too…I know …that you know…you are not an academian…
    BUT…you have the charisma to “glue” people…if you know
    and if you don’t know by now…then here it is

    WE LOVE YOU MR.HARVEY…please, take care yourself and the family…

    P.S …i need coffee

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    and a big BRAVO to all of you…

    BURNIANS,silent Readers(mass Audience), Sponsors,Donors…
    BURN 01…has a footprint…

    ORLANDO…thank you for everything…we will meet sooner or later…!!!

    LAURA…we need visual stimulation…



  • i love many thrills..never a dull moment:)

  • No advance warning for Ross in the “Shaky Isles”……………..stuffed up all the dunnies in Christchurch,water’s gone kaput gotta drink beer again Ross?

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    IMANTS…We need update…

    “A powerful predawn earthquake struck near Christchurch, New Zealand, on Saturday, sending people into the streets as windows exploded and buildings crumbled.”

    it’s a busy week…we are too many all over the Universe…I am thinking to open a relief center…
    I know…I know…AKAKY IRL is ready to shoot…(by the way…AKAKY, I am proud of you…very…)
    and to ALL my BURNIANS…

    What not to BURN !!!

  • Dunno never felt a thing here……… grin

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    cause you are …an earthquake IMANTS…
    (to be perceived as a compliment)

  • I would have loved to see someone shoot a video of you, David, putting the kiddies in a safe place, but also the whole enchildada of what went on around the house as Earl the big bad wolf of a hurricane, tried to get in! .

    Save your foot, good to hear all of you are safe, and the house too!

  • David – I’m going to be printing in a darkroom most of the rest of the evening and then busy all weekend – SO GLAD YOU AND YOUR NEGATIVES ARE SAFE!!!!!!

    Check your darkroom for light leaks!!!!!

    Would love to visit your beach house sometime since it’s still there.

    This fall? or winter? to talk about book!! I hope you’ll be free sometime for a little bit.

    I’ll check your schedule if I can find it.

  • That was a wild ride, DAH
    Without having ever met you I get the impression you could give this guy a run for his money :>))

    Stay thirsty my friends !

  • Civi/Imants; Yes the biggest earthquake (7.1) since 1931 (when Napier was destroyed)’s_Bay_earthquake

    Christchurch has been pretty badly knocked around; but thankfully only 2 serious injuries. We get a heap of earthquakes, we had a good one here last week, shook the place around a lot. I suppose we are fortunate that we have good building codes (because of the earthquakes) and that stopped a lot of the damage.

    We are going to get the “big one” sooner or later though; it’s not a matter of if; but when. And Wellington; the capital city, sits atop the main fault line!

    Mind you; I only live about 20 km’s from Mount Taranaki; and she’s overdue to blow too! :-)

    And of course; Auckland our biggest city of 1.1 million is actually built on volcanoes!

    Cheers :-)

  • David; I’m glad to see that everything turned out ok. I was away from the internet and unable to add my 2c worth of advice!

  • Just watched the evening news and they now think about 2 billion dollars damage. And now they are going to get 120+ kmh winds and 4 degree Celcius temps for the next 3 days…

  • Ross it is those stupid hobbits that are behind this rockin’ and bangin’…. Gollum was right when he called them nasty little hobbits

  • See even the Us suffered due to ant Gullumism

  • Hobbits? Hmmm dunno;

    For centuries before Europeans arrived, Māori had experienced rū whenua, which means ‘the shaking of the land’.

    According to Māori tradition, earthquakes are caused by the god Rūaumoko (or Rūamoko), the son of Ranginui (the Sky) and his wife Papatūānuku (the Earth). Rangi had been separated from Papa, and his tears had flooded the land.

    Their sons resolved to turn their mother face downwards, so that she and Rangi should not constantly see one another’s sorrow and grieve more. When Papatūānuku was turned over, Rūaumoko was still at her breast, and was carried to the world below. To keep him warm there he was given fire. He is the god of earthquakes and volcanoes, and the rumblings that disturb the land are made by him as he walks about.

  • Imants; Click on the song “Cape Turnagain” at this link re; Ruaumoko

  • Ok we will let the hobbits off maybe it is The All Blacks running over the NSW Warratahs

  • Warratahs must be a NSW band Ross you don’t have warratahs (flowers) you got possums

  • We’ve got Warratah fence posts though… :-)

  • Bad day in NZ a quake and a plane crash ……… time for something good

  • EVA, I’ll try to pick one. If I find Diego. I just saw him for a moment this morning. :)
    If I don’t find him, anyway Diego will be in italy soon with a lot of copy and in the meantime you can have a look at my copy. I’m going back to Rome tomorrow.

  • ALL,

    Okay, I take it this is the new discussion thread? Not just storm warnings?

    Anyway, here’s a crazy idea: collecting photographer’s developing trays. JOHN GLADDY, this one goes out to you!

    Also, if you missed it in all the hurricane hoopla, here’s a repost of the link of me on local TV teaching my rock photography camp. Kinda embarrassing, kinda fun…

    :) CP


    yes, this is a Dialogue post, so THE place for the moment for general discussion…i will try to do a new Dialogue post soonest that might seem more appropriate, but for the time being this is it…i am scrambling shooting these last two days of summer to capture what i can for the upcoming article on obx, so no time to do one now…weird but the beginning of yesterday i was in heavy heavy winds and rain and by the afternoon , it was a beautiful summer day and the surf was clean with light offshore to shape the waves and as big as a sand break wave can be and still be ridden…damn dude, i been wearing sandals for weeks, but reality will hit me soon enough…in the meantime, i am off to shoot….end of season lifeguard party will close out my day….


    you coming down here? winter best at this point i think…you can help in the darkroom?? i am slammed all fall

  • David – Winter sounds great! and HELL yeah I can help out in the dark room!!

  • David – Time is short right now – My girlfriend and I are great darkroomers. I’m excellent at printing and setting stuff up – Kayla is great at mixing and processing film. do you have an Idea what month would be best? Do you have big plans for upcoming assignments?

  • DAH,

    Oh man, have fun! Cold and rainy here… what else would you expect in Seattle! Check out my class when you get a spare five.



  • In an effort to stimulate tourism to this place, I am including several photos taken there recently. Please come and spend some money; this locality can use the revenue.

    The previsou PSA does not reflect the views of the management of this station nor of any known Akaky anywhere in the world. Thank you.

  • CHARLES. My selenium dish looks like some of those..and of course my favorite coffee mug :)

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    CHARLES…oime…is that really YOU…our CHARLES…FELIX’S dadda…
    BRAVO…hmm…you ALL BURNIANS look good…

    I better check my diet…I will need MICHELE’S magic diet or spiritual guidance
    HUGS and cheerios…oups…can at least have some cheerios…:)))

    AKAKY…you street photographer !!!

    JASON…the DARKroomer…!!!


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    Tomorrow more airplanes for me…

    I am trying to follow EARL …let’s see…BUT I am not a photographer
    so don’t expect any visual…
    and remember…whatever happens in BURN…doesn’t stay in BURN
    therefore enjoy your weekend…Happy holiday for the N.Americans…
    I will be transmitting from Grecolandia…pretty soon

    LOVE YOU ALLL…LOVE YOU ALLL…keep shooting

    I will be back:))) cause BURN is the place to be…What not to BURN!!!

  • CIVI,

    Next time you gotta make it to this remote corner of America. A guest room is always waiting!


  • Getting off topic somewhat but this is a brilliant piece of must see work. It’s a “mockumentary” that packs a serious punch on a very serious issue. Please watch and share with all a sundry. The sumptuous narration is courtesy of Jeremy Irons.

    Paul Treacy

  • Should have been “all and sundry”. Fingers were going too fast.

  • Hi from Visa pour l’Image,

    we missed you !! Thanks to everyone who join us for the photos.

    cheers, audrey


    thanks for showing us the pictures from Perpignan …sorry i missed all the fun with you and all….your work looks terrific in Burn 01 and i am sure your parents are very proud of you as are we all… this family work will increase in value for you as time passes…

    hugs, david

  • Audrey, congratulations for Perpignan! I hope you got your own copy of Burn 01 signed by those fellow photographer-luminaries. How does it feel to be a luminary?


  • Audrey

    Congratulations and thanks for the photos.

    DAH, when will we be able to order a copy?

    Hurricane Earl update, one dead and 150,000 without power after Earl smacks Canada’s maritime provinces.

  • Audrey, it looks gorgeous, congrats on being in and getting the very first copy!!

  • You’re welcome. Many thanks to you. Burn01 is very beautiful, you will see…

  • DAVID :))

    so relieved to hear all is well….i was like a worried mother when sitting in the Halifax airport on Thursday when returning to Toronto….and now i must contact those who entered our lives in Cape Breton as they were rocked pretty hard…..both M and i sent you emails….so relieved to know you skirted the worst of it….the irony of hurricanes, having weather a few in my life in florida and having ‘swum’ through 2 direct hits, the irony is that the light after the storm is gone is transcendent….and, in truth, the dessert after the madness….a shame, it requires such a devastating first course…happy you, the kittens, your sons and their partners and chris b and everyone else is well and safe if a bit sloggy….that is a profound relief for all of us, indeed….

    and big congrats on Burn01….cant wait to see the copy :))))….ok, will be away from computer….the trip was transformative, especially photographically….and will show you something from it soonest….startling ;))

    AUDREY :)))

    thanks so much for the links :)))))…..that’s a terrific copy…how did that copy get there in front of Klein? ;))))))



    Thank you for your reporting from Perpignan… I missed not being there but at least, I shall have my own copy of Burn 01 very very soon now…. I can tell that after making your parents famous, you are on a mission to make my own parents have their moment of fame :):)…



  • David; Will there be a “buy” option listed on Burn for the magazine? Cheers :-)

  • Audrey,

    Thank you very much for your kindness.
    Burn01 looks very nice copy!
    I expect to get it soon… I wonder where caould i buy it.

    Have a good time in Perpignan. :))


    thanks so much for the link to that hilarious yet heartbreaking mockumentary.
    within minutes of posting it on facebook i have a street daughter in tears (she had no idea) vowing never
    to use plastic again (i know, we’ll see..) and an oceanography teacher/friend who is going to have her
    students do a research project on it to raise awareness.

    may awareness bring change!

  • Katia,

    The work of Chris Jordan has been mentioned before here on Burn, but in case you haven’t seen his series on the birds of Midway Island that have died ingesting waste, here’s a link:×24

    I work for a paper & plastics recycling company, and see a lot of challenges first-hand. Burnians, please make sure that your items to be recycled are separated properly and are rinsed and empty. The less man-hours that are involved in sorting materials, and the less contaminated those materials are, the more valuable they will be to industry. I can’t quote specific figures, only anecdotally – most, if not all, municipal recycling programs would not exist without the support of taxes and grants. In order to make these programs self-sustaining or even profitable, they have to be able to compete with the pricing for raw materials. I hope that we are close to that tipping point…


    we will be sending you a copy of Burn 01 since you are one of the essayists represented….your essay looks very subtle yet strong in this book…

    cheers, david

  • Where do you buy a copy of Burn 01?

  • Where do you buy a copy of Burn 01?

    Where do you buy a copy of Burn 01?

    Where do you buy a copy of Burn 01?

  • I get this request a lot lately!!;)

  • Audrey, (as many have already said) thank you for sharing your photos from Perpignan! You are a most excellent ambassador for Burn! :-)

  • Ladies and gents it’s an honor for me to announce that I’m sitting in Venice beach having a beer with mr. Luis Ochoa.. cool guy… Shooting.. Right next to me as we speak:)

  • David,

    Thank you very much for your comments about the Burn01.
    My many Korean freinds of photography want to buy the book, too.
    So i will order that book together.

    I heard your foot was hurt..
    Please be careful and don’t to walk too much…hope to get well soon.

    Kyunghee Lee

  • I wasn’t alone, my apologies and thanks a lot to Laura, Jean, Patricio, Diego, Jean-Michel… Everyone who joined us for the photos…

    Bob, I don’t know… :=))))

    Eric, c’était un plaisir de rencontrer tes parents, ils sont adorables, tu es très chanceux ;=)

  • Laura, sorry for not answering sooner, was a tad busy over the weekend ( ), will get in touch with you, and Diego, thanks!


    within the next few days we will have a paypal button right here for the purchase of Burn 01…it has not officially launched so to speak and i will do an appropriate post when it is totally available for all who wish to own it…….Diego Orlando of course did take some advance copies to Perpignan so we could see the reaction from the international photo community…… we are going to bring half the copies to the U.S. for distribution here and the remainder to be shipped out of Italy…the work for shipping, the sales tax structure for various countries etc is a formidable task for all of us, so please be patient…worth the wait….

    cheers, david

  • Is there a list of photographers who made it into Burn 01??? or was everyone in the book notified??

    I have tried to ask this question over the past months and have gotten no response. Just figured either no one knew or David and Anton kept missing my posts.

    Thanks, Valery

  • Jim Powers: hi Jim!



    yes, i missed this question….sorry…however , i did post once that all photographers who were in BURN 01 were notified because they had to re-size their work for hi res reproduction…sorry you missed this…and it is all essays which were published in Burn this time singles…BURN 02 may have a whole section of singles…each edition will be different from the other both in content style and physicality and design of the book/magazine itself…i promise you that you will want to try for 02 or 03….even the big name iconic photographers are trying to get in…but, they are in the minority from my point of view…BURN will continue to feature the younger evolving revolving emerging i wanna make it eager talented photographers….

    cheers, david

  • Anton, I have just received my copy of 893 magazine and I just want to say congratulations and thank you to you, your brother Malik and Taka-san for taking me inside a society that I would not otherwise have been able to visit. Wonderful photography, Anton, I love the layout of the magazine and the quality of the magazine (Lulu) is superb. I’m really impressed and I want the book!

    As some of you may know, Anton is closing orders for the book on Sept. 8th – so do yourself a favour and order one now!

    Anton has said that he will sign and return any copies that are sent to him: I’ll include a few euros with my copy for the postage, Anton. Thanks again and keep “playing it wide”.


  • I might consider sending my copy to him too so that he can sign it for me. That’s a great idea, actually. Great stuff Anton.

  • I’ve just re-registered with the tax authorities here. It took longer than I hoped it would despite all my yapping. No more stay-at-home-daddying. I need to make a showreel this week. Have any of you got a drop dead stunning showreel? Know of any? Let’s see some show reels. Please post some links here. I’ll post mine when it’s done. A showreel for Burn 01 would be cool.

  • Burn 01? 02 03??? I’m missing something here! I’ve been away too long!!!
    Will someone please help me catch up? Where do I find info about this? is it print or an online mag??

    David – How do I submit??

  • Read a few posts up, Jason. Not available yet. But soon, apparently. All very exciting.

  • And finally, and I do mean to stop doing this sort of thing for a while, there’s this bit of fluff from yesterday:

  • Thanks David!

    By the way I did also submit more singles as you suggested a while ago. Congrats on Burn 01 it looks great.

    My best, Valery

  • BURN 01 … it would be awesome if it was ahipable to india too ….. whom shall i bribe to …to get avail of this facility …..lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    i know you did…and i thank you…and i plan two publish at least two…i have not been able to work with the new singles lately just because of my own natgeo shooting schedule which i am sure you can appreciate takes most of my time these soon as i slow down a bit with my own work, i will get back to yours pronto….smiling…

    cheers, david

  • JASON…

    you just got a D- for the class….now please go back and do your homework…who doesn’t know about BURN 01??

    however, i will also do a new post in a few days…for new readers who have no idea…the old ones, like you and a former student to boot, should know what is going on….smiling….yes, we will set up the darkroom …

    cheers, david

  • BOB…

    welcome home…welcome back….your text piece for Burn 01 is solid…that one piece is going to be around for awhile…too late to fix it…hope you like it…i do

    cheers, david

  • Vivek, just the other day I got Pablo Bartholomew’s ‘Outsidein’, shipped by, India, without problems. I’m sure, shipping the other way around works as well!

  • Bob, welcome home. While you were in Nova Scotia did you come across any photo stores that sell film? I’m heading out that way soon from the u.k. and I’m thinking about buying film on my arrival to miss the x-ray checks at the (3) airports.



  • DAVID :)))))

    wouldn’t change it for the world, ’cause it belongs to you, anton and everyone else at Burn :)))))….and it’s good to be home….good to be back here too….i’ve got so many damn emails and no desire to spend time at computer….and, you’ll laugh, but shooting intensely in NS was a transformative experience…..the light, the gorgeous, god-blessed light….i saw color, as a photographer, for the first time in 10 years….though i shot all b/w…on the last day, when i finally decided to shoot color, it was gray/overcast….now back, cant see color at all in Toronto…as a photographer…but, i’ve decided to put a hold on ‘nothing is black & white’ (that’s the long thing i’ve been working on for you, anton and BURN) and now, new thing, based on what i did in NS….won’t develop the film for 3 weeks (want it in my body before i see what i did)….a perfect antitode to all that stuff, ‘and our memories’, ‘bones of time’ ‘oxen of the sun’…all those intense faces and abstractions….and this one, all about space and emptyness and light, overwelming joy of light and landscape…so much to say, but want this to be a surprise….more later….M and i are so happy you guys made it and very excited about BURN01 and all everyone :))))….more after this week, must get adjusted to seeing/talking to people again…and yes, i finished volume 1 of Proust…and shot a shit of film and made sure my wife and son got lots of love and joy :))))…maybe we’ll move to obx to escape cities…i much more productive away from computer life :))))….hugs

    Mike :)))…

    well, i’ll tell you that Nova Scotia is extraordinary….we spent our whole time on Cape Breton….and the land is as gorgeous as n.california and western ireland….awe inspiring….actually, much of it looks too like scotland and e.england….i hand-checked all my film going into NS….didnt buy anything there as we were staying in small small fishing villages… favorite was Neil’s Harbour…i have a great B&B recommendation if you need it…great place to watch the ocean lick hungrily upon the land….and great folk too….cabot trail indescribable…..which part are you going….i was disappointed with Halifax, but by then, i cared only about land, light, sky and sea….but, i am CERTAIN you can buy film in Halifax as there are 8 colleges and 2 fine art schools….

    look here:

    try atlantic photo supply:

    let me know if you want any tips for places to stay :))))

    we loved Margaree too :)))…and the beach below R. Frank’s house :)))))


  • Wow Thanks David! good to know though….. and please I understand about your work, I am amazed at how you find time for everything you do as it is. Thank you again and again for all you do. I look forward to seeing more of your new work as well.

    Ciao, Valery

  • Mike R

    When in Halifax check out the viewpoint photo gallery

    Bob B

    Welcome back.
    I’ve gone to Nova Scotia many times over the past few years for a wooden flute festival in Lunenburg. In 2006 Martha joined me, and after the festival we spent an amazing month touring, including a lot of time in Cape Breton, where Martha had lived for a few years back in the seventies. A magical place indeed.

  • To succeed one must fail. The most successful have often failed many times over – look at Edison and his light bulb!

    David Should we set up a date for me to come visit? December? January? I’ll have to get your address too…

    I look forward to Burn 01!

  • Thanks Bob and Gordon, my wife and I are visiting relatives in Halifax (so I’ll check out the viewpoint gallery)and have a trip to Cape Breton and the Cabot Trail planned. We are going with friends, so they know accommodation, thanks. I’m also going to go to Prince Edward Island. I’ll telephone Atlantic Photo Supply (I was going to order from B&H, NYC but shipping is more expensive than the film!). We visit Scotland regularly an I envisage a similar landscape – only bigger!

    Thanks again to both of you.


  • JASON…

    honestly it is very difficult for me to set an actual date…i am going to be shooting almost all the time either OBX or RIO right up until Christmas….right now, january or after does seem to make the most sense…we will have to jockey around with our respective schedules to get it right…


    yes, Cape Breton quite nice…my first serious early color tranny work (Kodachrome) was done on Cape Breton when i was a teenager…would like to return someday….must have been late summer or early fall when i was there, and all of my work seems to have been in the fog…coast, boats…loved it.


    India is indeed on our distribution map, but probably expensive shipping i am imagining…our biggest problem with Burn 01 from a purchaser standpoint is shipping costs…since we are such a small operation we cannot get the super low cost shipping rates that Amazon and others are able to negotiate because of their high volume…anyway, one way or another, we will be sure to have a copy for you….why not just come and pick it up?? surely you have recovered by now from your last trip to the Burn Hotel and are ready for more…we have our loft class getting ready to start on the 17th…i know you must want to join us don’t you?? try to imagine…


    yes, a show reel spot here on Burn would be cool…i am just not sure how many we would have…but certainly as time went on we would pick up some…you wanna be our show reel editor?

    cheers, david

  • It probably has been posted here before, but DAH, I loved that Rio-bag, very, VERY carioca!

  • Audrey,
    thanks so much for the pictures. And big, HUGE congrats to you!
    Looking forward to meeting you in Paris in November.

  • ….even the big name iconic photographers are trying to get in…but, they are in the minority from my point of view…BURN will continue to feature the younger evolving revolving emerging i wanna make it eager talented photographers….

    And all we have to do is…. Shoot naturally! :-)))

  • Lassal,
    thank you for your video.
    I can understand David obsession very well
    And he was perfect with the golden bag :)))))

    contact me at the email you find in the website.
    I only have one copy but you must have a look at it
    Don’t worry about being busy :))


    yea, i liked the gold bag…well, you know all this bit about bags is actually at its root a practical thing…i mean the one thing with me all the time, everyday, everywhere, is my backpack or camera bag containing all my credit cards, passport, and camera gear…and of course it is either too small to carry what i need that day or too large to carry one camera and lens or not waterproof or looks too nice and says “steal me” or not nice enough or……whatever. in reality i use about 2 or 3 different bags…but i test many…for one thing some companies have sent me too many bags to test etc…one of our readers here wants me to design a Burnbag….you know our logo and the whole bit…well, maybe

  • DAVID,

    let this be two users asking you for a burn photographer’s bag. :)
    The “burn” logo small and as understatement to fight the “steal me” effect.
    And many small pockets to store all the nitty gritty …

    ummmm, please.


    ah yes,but this is the problem with bag design or even bag choice…everybody wants something different…or at least everyone’s priorities are different..i would put light weight and water resistant at the top and others would put camera padding and many pockets at the top of their list..and everything is a compromise….by the way, the longer the list of “must have”, the heavier the bag… and on and on and on….

  • Burn logo below/inside the bag-flap. A total insider.
    Yeah … I’d consider taking one, too.

    check your skype … :)

    the pink one was not too bad either. A little small perhaps. Hehe

  • DAVID,

    I get the point – and always read here very prick-eared when you talk about bags :)
    Hm, what about a bag construction kit. – No Joke. A bag which allows to attach smaller bags outside. A modular approach. Mainly a waterproof messenger bag, light and stable.


    yes thanks .. let’s skype about it, very very interesting.

  • Hi everybody. I’ve just came back from Visa 2010, so I want to share with this huge community some stuff:

    I’ve met some burnians, and we shared in avant premiere the Burn 01 Mag (I’d rather call a book instead of a magazine… almost 300 pages, and heavy) I like “brick” books :-)
    Print are awesome, with high quality, paper is smooth and nice.
    Great job to everyone who has participated, starting from DAH, Anton, the photogs inside, etc, etc,

    There were some stuffs that blow my mind out:

    0.Burn 01 Magazine!

    1.MediaStorm is rocking everywhere.
    I can’t believe what human being can do with a computer!!!
    Pictures, sound, video, multimedia (obviously there are some technician behind), but amazing things, and also the idea that Brian Storm has in mind: Just spread the multimedia piece by social networks, you can post the code in your facebook account or in your web site. NOT the LINK, the whole project!!!

    2.Michael Nichols was happy like a kid with a Christmas toy, staring in front of “his” printed tree of 18 meters high! A picture of 18 meters printed and hanging in the wall of an ancient church!! He explained how he made it with help of technicians, climbers, computers, remote control, bla bla, yes tech stuff.
    120hours of stiching every picture together… but awesome result!
    He would be laughing looking at the picture inside NatGeo issue hundred times smaller…

    DAH, hope to see Burn 02 at VISA 2011, with a huge projection, conference, discussion with some burnians folks around :-)

    Sorry about my english grammar…

    Love you all!! (Civi, let me use you Copyright)
    Gotta go… TMAX waiting to be developed…this evening!


  • Speaking of bags, I always loved my Freitag bag.
    Understated (if you want), simple, functional, heavy duty, water resistant, expandable and recycled. And it never screams “steal me”.
    Ok, it’s not really cheap but nobody’s perfect.

  • Hilarious video! Can’t wait to show my wife that I’m not so bad after all (not even close!).

    I’ve settled on the Billinghams for shoulder bags. Not cheap, but nothing compared to women’s handbags.

    Backpack I’ve yet to find one that I really like that isn’t too small, too big, etc etc….

  • Im still using the Domke bag that David gave me. Had to hack up an old Nikon bag to use as a liner/padding and its stuffed full of silica bags to soak up the moisture that the canvas picks up….and the pockets kinda suck from a security point of view…but a nice bag none the less. holds two small bodies with (small) lenses and a bunch of film…what more do you need?

  • John
    I use a Freitag bag too. Every time I meet DAH he measures it :) But I think he is not convinced.

  • Freitags rock! Wouldn’t change it…
    He should give it a try I reckon. Oh well.

  • I will get that extra padding for the shoulder strap, though. The seatbelt-strap is a little tough on my shoulder when I have much to carry.

  • Yeah, maybe. For me a little jacket at the bottom for the odd rain and bumps on the camera is enough.
    Anyway, it’s only a bag right?

  • For me the thing about bags is that you can look at them on a website, even examine them in a store, but until you really start to use a bag day to day, you don’t know how good it is.

    I’ve got bags where they look good, seem very practical, etc, but then you load them up and start carrying them around and you realise that the strap is uncomfortable on your shoulder (just doesn’t sit right), or the shape of the bag does not fit well against your body, and much more. And that’s not just camera bags, all bags only reveal how good they are when really used on the street daily.

    Like Charles, for camera bags, I’ve settled with Billingham. I’ve got a 5-6 year old Hadley (Original model) that’s just about perfect. Fits two M6s (in Lowepro little shoulder pouches), light meter and a days worth of film, note book etc. It is not the lightest bag, but it is small. For some reason Billingham have discontinued this model of the Hadley, the others they make are a bit smaller or larger.

    For a daily bag (not for photography), I’ve recently bought a Manhattan Portage shoulder bag. Again it’s a small bag, just big enough for a magazine or two, a note book, ipod etc. It was well priced. Is light, and seems well made so far and it carries well. It just doubled up as a camera bag during a week in France and it worked very well. I remember when this brand of bag was the one to be seen carrying in London, but not anymore.

    But for me, when photographing, the best bag is no bag at all. I find a bag just gets in the way. What I find even more important and useful than a bag is my dark green Beretta shooting vest.

  • My main problem is that I use two cameras on sniper straps, so when they are slung and i am shooting the bag just gets in the way, snarling up the straps. Also I have to sling the thing behind me and with the crummy pockets on the domke it is a pickpockets dream. So all my valubles have to be stashed on me and just leave a bunch of film in the domke.


    yes, we stayed on Cape Breton the entire time…i think we all lost our hearts there….what killed me, besides the extraordinary landscapes (and i’ve lived/seen a lot in california, ireland, scotland, mediterrean, etc) and the people, was the extraordinary light….i was stunned, really stunned…i used to love the winter light in Florida when i lived there when i switched from painting to photography, but the clarity and physical swelling of the light, it’s clarity in both the morning and evening just floored me….i kept thinking about what Trent P talks about when he shoots….and Mike, for sure, Cape Breton is amazing…as is all of NS….actually, as nice as Halifax is, i was spoiled by our hibernation on Breton…..and if you do need anything at all, send me an email: …..i’m slow on the computer these days, but i will answer…

    Gordon: she must be a keeper, your wife, indeed :)))

    DAVID :)))….funny, but guess what, i even started to think about shooting in color…that light and all the color of the sea and the houses and the boats….even in florida, i didn’t perceive color that way…and if i can figure out how to get to light that consistent again, i ditch monochrome….i mean, how can a painter live forever shooting b/w…i dont know, and as you and anton know, i’m growing tired of b/w….but i totally see your kodachrome there….funny, i even thought of your picture of the older couple from the chesapeake (in their dining room) a few times on this trip….Harvey could make that place sing like Cuba/Mexico/Brazil ;))))…….fingers crossed to see what my b/w will look like, buyt god damn, do i now hunger for color…..and i cant get the light here in TO

    hugs all

  • I’ve never owned a true “camera bag”, along the likes of Domke, et al; but I have been enjoying my latest acquisition for $3.99 USD:,3145.html

    I picked up one of these at a local discount shop. It is water-proof/resistant, but has no padding to speak of – it does seem perfect for cycling with a rangefinder & a few rolls of film, though.

  • I’d never used proper camera bags before but since my lens broke I’ve bought a crumpler…just so i know it’s alltogether and nicely protected.
    Up til now they’ve been slung in whatever large bag i’m using wrapped in a hat.
    I can’t find the perfect bag…i need lots of pockets, top opening, room for a cardi and book and all the junk i carry around as well as cameras film etc. and i want to like it.
    watching david’s video made me laugh…it’s just a never ending search :)

  • I dont have any good reason anymore to complain about camera bags!…damn it

  • by the way, the longer the list of “must have”, the heavier the bag… and on and on and on….

    btw, i love heavy bags..
    (tip: better look at them than carry them)


    just a quick note to say that Guido gazzilli beautiful new essay does not show up on the first page…and it’d be a shame for people to miss this beautiful, imaginative and thoughtful work and makes a compelling argument about the need for creative thinking within the context of historical work….maybe there was some kind of wordpress problem that didn’t put it on the front page: all, have a look :))

    GORDON :)))..great and thanks for making my day…i miss so much that rugged coast already :)))))



  • BOB..
    checking …some kind of error


    Subject: John Loengard on The Role of the Photo Editor


  • BOB…ALL…

    FISNIK now up as it is supposed to be…an error on my part..apologies


    thanks for the Perpignan report….yes i think next year we will be in France for both the Arles festival and Perpignan…we just could not make it this time around…Anton in Japan and me shooting outer banks…besides i actually think it was good that i was not there….interesting what you say about MediaStorm…Brian has been the leader for a long time in the multi media business…he is a businessman and it shows….he worked for Bill Gates first…..i think we should either subcontract Brian for some tech stuff or do some mutual activities…anyway, we will see…


    yes, i love the Billingham Hadley too…that is after it gets beat up a bit….brand new it does say steal me doesn’t it?….but that bag is waterproof (thanks to it being a UK bag) and easy access etc etc…that bag (actually the similar Brady bag) was THE war photographer bag for the entire Vietnam war and THE photojournalists bag for many years after before Domke came along and sort of took over that role as “use this and look like a pj pro”…both of them, Billingham and Domke , now a bit out of fashion with the younger generation probably for that reason…too popular with the previous generation…for the time being on the “not cool” list…they shall return soon i promise!!!

  • About the John Loengaard piece: it’s a dream. That’s how it SHOULD be. Is it in real life?


    Yes, the Hadley needs to be beat up a bit to feel right, and look right too I guess. Perhaps it is a “steal me” bag when looking new, but it also looks like you’ve borrowed it from your grandfather, doesn’t it?

    Interesting thing for me is that I have never been identified as a photographer while carrying the bag, but I have been asked about my fishing on more than one occasion!

  • DAH ….. yes …ready for more … will leave message on skype

  • “Subject: John Loengard on The Role of the Photo


    Actually it is on the role of a picture editor. But I guess the first paragraph applies to the role of the photo…

  • Ah, but if you’ll take a chance on a Hadley in Sage it
    becomes a stealth bag. I do miss the canvas, but appreciate
    the low profile.


    I have my Billinghams in all black. Definitely takes away the grandpa fly fishing factor and they tend to disappear more.

    Yeah, the thing about shoulder bags is wanting to keep them small as possible for walking around all day, but then what does one do with that rain jacket, water bottle, maps, bananas, half eaten sandwich, that knick-knack you just had to have, and so on. I would like to design a bag that has expandable flaps on the pockets, is stylish (but doesn’t read steal me or camera bag), protects your gear well (dividers that change size as well) while allowing room for all that other crap. And can maybe be both comfortably a backpack and/or messenger/shoulder bag style!

    Maybe we need a bag design roundtable!


  • Loengrad piece a must read. Thanks DAH! I am going to use bits of that for my future rock photo camps, the parts about what makes a photograph interesting.

    Now if only all those young buck picture editors/creatives out there would read this….

  • Free workshop with VII’s Antonin Kratochvil in New York !

    you New Yorkers are damn lucky buggers!

  • Katia; “you New Yorkers are damn lucky buggers!” You Northern Hemisphere-ites (is that a word?) are lucky buggers! :-)

    Audrey’s Burn and Facebook updates were really appreciated by those of us who live a long way from Visa. Thanks Audrey! :-)

  • Following on from the editing discussion a while back; I was just looking through some pics I took on Monday night and was wondering what people do after shooting. Do you look at your pics right away, or not for ages (if able)? I know David has often said he doesn’t like to look at his pics while in the midst of shooting a project.

    I’m sort of the opposite. I like to check mine the next day and see where I’ve gone wrong, or right; or what whether an idea didn’t work, but has potential etc. I don’t edit hard for quite a while though. Even then I’m pretty hopeless at editing “similar” images sometimes.

    Maybe it’s my inexperience at shooting “people” (about 3-4 years) but I find looking back at what I shoot doesn’t make me think “I’ve got it, move on” but “I can improve on that” I find that it inspires me to push harder. But again; that’s probably my inexperience coming to the fore?

    But then again I remember reading Bill Allard saying the instant feedback he got while shooting a Polaroid assignment helped him. And he was certainly not inexperienced! :-)

    It’s probably a horses for courses thing, but I’d be interested to hear what others do after shooting!

    Cheers :-)

  • Ross

    I tend to view, and edit immediatly.

    Perhaps this is not a good idea. However, I find if I do not do it right away, I sometimes never get to it at all. I’m speaking of personal photos.
    In my working life, I’m a portrait photographer. When I finish a shoot, I upload, edit, archive immediatly. There is no other practical way.

    I cannot imagine waiting. It is one of the wonderful aspects of the digital revolution. Immediate feedback.
    In the film days we used polaroid for instant feedback. Now we have instant feedback, with tech data, all the time. This instant feedback has changed the way we make photographs, for the better. No longer do we have to play it safe. We can experiment to our hearts delight. Magic.

  • “In my working life, I’m a portrait photographer. When I finish a shoot, I upload, edit, archive immediatly. There is no other practical way”

    Me too with magazine work. :-)

  • Ross

    Just clicked your name and checked out your latest.
    I’ve always loved your “kids are alright” stuff, and love the sentiment. I spend too much time feeling negative about my own twenty something kids. Gotta say, the big copyright and Ross Nolly thing splashed accross the pics kinda spoils the experience.
    I do understand, but maybe you could tone it down?

    Anyway, love the stuff.


  • Gordon; That’s only a temporary link and those copyright symbols are big because they were big because they were the images I have on the Facebook site. But you’re right I’ll change them this weekend.:-)

    Some other work in the galleries here.

    I was just about to have my new website go live when I decided to pull everything (my mate who is designing my site was SO happy… buit is an artist and understood) except some Timor work and the kids project. Basically I’m wiping everything I’ve shot before and starting from scratch this year. I only want the style of work I want to do in the future to be on the site. That’s why I am trying to spend the next 12 months shooting project work if possible.

    Speaking of youth, I meet a ton of great kids when I’m out and about. But you may know we had a big earthquake on Saturday (same size as the Haiiti quake) that’s estimated to have done 4 billion dollars worth of damage to Christchurch (and surrounding areas) with big aftershocks still causing damage. Well, the local university students put up a Facebook page to offer their services helping with the clean-up. They were already on holiday anyway and by today over 300 students have registered and turned up with shovels etc to lend a hand.

    I listened to one old chap crying as he told a radio reporter that a bunch of students had done in t hours what was going to take him 2 months to shift. A nice positive “youth” story.

    There has been a lot of flooding too, as the earthquake was so strong that it pushed the groundwater and silt up through the ground, amazing. Luckily no deaths, mostly due to luck, and buildings etc being built to earthquake standards.

  • Sorry meant to read “those copyright symbols are big because they were the images etc..”

  • “If you’re located in the New York area, there’s a free workshop with VII’s Antonin Kratochvil. 15 photographers will be
    selected to participate in this 2-day workshop which will be held at the
    VII Gallery from September 20-21, 2010. To apply, simply send a link to
    your portfolio to and tell us a little about
    yourself. Deadline is September 13 at 6pm!”

  • That was meant to be 3000 students… Type in haste, repent at your leisure…

  • Here’s a mad little film I’ve just uploaded. At 1:15, it’s short and fast. It’s a final practice before taking on pro video assignments. Hoping you enjoy it.

    The Go-Cart Project

    Paul Treacy.

  • PAUL,

    great little movie .. very dramatic.
    Thanks, I like it.

  • PAUL …

    But you should match clothing and shoes with your son

  • iphone people: UPDATE your phone to 4.1

    I did yesterday, and lo and behold 30 voice messages from the last few weeks showed up..including 4 important photo related / 2 about new jobs…

    a little miffed

  • Lassal, you’re absolutely right. No mater what I did or how many takes I made, I just couldn’t hide my big feet.


    Ross, I’ve yet again got a lot of catching up reading to do but were you affected by the quake? Hope all’s alright with you.


  • Paul; I live in the North Island, so no problems thanks. :-)

  • Paul amazing..
    Which camera/software ?
    Watched it 5 times

  • If it’s 4G don’t do it.. It will cut your phone speed down a good 30% dye to multitasking feature..
    But if u have a 4g the newest version go to firmware 4.0.2 and go to the fast lane..
    Apple tricks again.. Marketing? Faults? Hmm, I thing fo sho , I will never find out..

  • If it’s 3G I meant to say (don’t do it)..
    If it’s the latest 4G is fine to upgrade..
    Some hackers out there know how to downgrade the firmware
    to 3.0 to reclaim speed on the’s all over the web..

  • Once again the new user/buyer is benefited on the expense of the older/loyal customer..
    Microsoft loves doing this too.. You wanted to upgrade and then not even the mouse was compatible anymore ..

  • Erica;)
    It’s not your phones firmware that prevented u from getting all this calls.. It’s your carrier .. If it’s AT&T then jailbreak the phone and get another provider or even Pay As You Go features with Data that rolls over ever month!!;)
    But one thing else u need to do is try to remember to turn phone on and off at least twice a day.. That affects performance tremendously..:)

  • I’m just glad I use a BlackBerry. It does exactly what it says on the box. Day in, day out. Without fail. And though its screen is smaller than an iPhone’s, videos look and sound fantastic on it.

    Panos, I shot The Go-Cart Project with an Olympus E-PL1 with Nikon prime lenses. I cut it in iMovie.

    Have been considering Final Cut for quite some time but after I figured out synching my video and audio files in GarageBand first, then saving at full quality (leaving the video file untouched) before bringing the updated files into iMovie 09, I don’t see the point at the moment. iMovie does everything I need it too and exports gorgeous movies.

    Granted I don’t get colour grading facilities anything like as powerful as the substantially more expensive Final Cut programs but I couldn’t care less really. Not at this stage. Funds are tight and hardware is the priority for now.

    And as for titles, well I think I’ll likely prep them in Photoshop and animate them instead, maybe using QuickTime Pro or even Flash. Not done this yet but it could be a good way to produce quality titles the likes of which would only otherwise be possible in Final Cut Pro or some such.


  • Again Paul.. Great job…
    I enjoyed it (mostly technically and also your sense of humor)..
    Amazing ..bravo


    cool…for one thing, the cart i would have dreamed of as a kid…nice….


    ok, beautiful afternoon in new york…flew in this morn and went straight to magnum meet gilden apt….finish and am heading home..about halfway across the williamsburg bridge in a taxi and i realize the last time i saw my apartment keys was when i handed them to you two months ago….dude.

  • Hmmm…ohhh…Hmm.. I see… The keys… Hmmm..the keys…

  • Don’t leave us hanging…did you find the keys?

  • I was listening to National Radio the other day while editing and heard this interesting interview about research into creativity and success.

    Click on; Feature Guest, Roger Moltzen

  • hehehe
    The appartment keys …

    Reminds me that Audrey and I never managed to see the Loft. We tried. But always no one with a key around :)

    But we met totally nice people while we were seating on the front door steps … We even almost got run over by some totally handsome woman who came out of the door side – the one we thought was closed and safe to sit in front – with a bike.

    It is one cool place. Even if you just make it to the front door steps :)

  • or “seated”?
    No idea.

  • Lassal,

    I am coming to develop my negatives of NY this morning, and I also have you in front of the door, I’ll send you the photo very soon :=)) big hug, audrey

    really? I do not remember you did one of me too … :)

    hmm …
    I fear I am not right brain dominant.
    Point is that I fear that it is the only side I have. :)

    Hopefully never anything important will be dependent on me remembering a name, date, order or something the like… I hope I will never be a key witness to anything. Because it will be a lost key.

  • I never understood why my teachers disagree with me here. :)


    i heard it on good authority that panos tossed them off to this guy as he was getting out of new york for a day ;))))))

    i think the car is in connecticut ;))))



  • Lassal, yes, really, just 2 pictures of you on front door, my negatives dry… soon :))


    well, i hope you all know you are invited to join us next week in new york to make some kind of guest appearance at my loft class…if for no other reason than to bring at least one set of keys….there must be more sets of Burn Hotel keys out there than we can count…Davin and Aga have a set, Kathleen Fonseca (who i never met) has a set, David B. , John Gladdy ??, and Panos had a set…Lassal and Audrey and Lee, if they had a set, would be the most likely to have actually returned them….last night i did get lucky and mike was up here working, so all is ok and we can go to the key maker (again) for new keys…Bob, you are basically blameless on all of this but thanks for the picture…

    oh yea almost forgot, Burn 01 (first copy in my hands) went through the hands of Magnum members yesterday at our NY meeting…a “handsome volume” were the words from Bruce Davidson…and all were impressed……all want to get in it next time!! we have a hit for sure my friends….now, we just have to get finished the mechanics of distribution small task…vat tax tables from all countries is not something i want to think about..anyway we are having to think about it…patience…it is happening…peace

    cheers, david

  • DAVID :)))))

    i’ll take a set for the Beachhouse in OBX ;))))))))….by the way, chris b’s story on Haiti is gorgeous :))….we would LOVE to come down next week…alas, as u know, just returned from Cape Breton and now cash poor but photo/writing rich and have lots of work to do (will send u cape breton story/essay when i develop/finish and a CBC essay deadline)….but, u in town in october/november?…we plan on coming down….we’ll be here for Magenta festival sometime in october (not sure when), as mrs. b and i will be having a dinner date with mr and mrs. soth…but, i can visit via skype, just let me know the days you want to chat….as for the keys, well…i’ll give u a pair of our place here and gladly take a loft set…or beachouse set (for dima) …

    and so happy for BURN01…cant wait to see it :))))….happy the buzz and word have been great for burn01…have heard some good words from Perp…if u get me 2 copies, i’ll give one to Alec in october…

    hugs, running


  • I’m not 100% sure, but there is no VAT for outside EU transactions.

    And if you find a set of keys in the Phnom Penh streets, they are probably mine and not DAH’s

  • JOHN V :)))

    damn, THAT is what those keys were to i found spring cleaning and i thought they were Arantxa’s old set for Toronto pad….i’ll return your Phnom Penh keys hopefully in 2012…hope you can wait :)) (seeing you havent yet permanently set sail for Belium) :))

  • i mean set set for Belgium

  • “Burn 01 (first copy in my hands) went through the hands of Magnum members yesterday at our NY meeting…a “handsome volume” were the words from Bruce Davidson…and all were impressed”

    scary. good. scary good.


    DAH – You can make me a key valet if you like.

    Lassal – I love the tones in those photos.

    iphone – on/off – thanks!


    you were sitting in front of the door. You can say seated, it is not incorrect, but sitting is the word most people would use. And this being New York City, you were not sitting (or seated) in front of the door: you were sitting on the stoop.


    tell me again about how Aranxa has the keys to your apartment and how Marina is cool with this. I love science fiction.

  • Sitting on the stoop! :o)
    Thanks Akaky.

    So while Audrey and I were sitting on the stoop, we almost got run over by an angel’s bike. If that’s not NY, then what is?


  • There’s an entire NYC tv show called Talk Stoop :) celebs come and sit on a NYC stoop and chat with the host. Stoop sitting is an important pastime here, and am glad you were able to partake (without injury by an angel).

  • DAH

    Yes absolutely, Briam Storm is a beeziness guy above all, but engaged in photography, that’s pretty cool nowadays…

    TO ALL
    Here in Lyon, France, this week end and until next Friday, there will be “Photographic September”.
    This year the main subject is USA Today and After… so if someone is nearby, I think that could be interesting.
    Just as information: James Natchwey will give a lecture (among others) follow by a vernissage of his exhibition (humm, frenh wine and some warm small bakeries) at the Lyon Public Library on Sept 17th
    Below the schedule of the festival:



    will you go to Paris Photo this November? Audrey and I are planning to meet up there. Would be nice to meet more people.

  • DAH

    unfortunately there is no chance for me to come over now for a new round of stoop sitting :) But Dominik left today for NY. Pls remind him to pass on my hug to you.

    Hope you let the cats out of the darkroom before you left OBX … You did, did you not???

  • Camera bag for Women:
    (I don’t know if they’re sellig it with the Holga inside….)
    It doesn’t seem so waterproof…..

    Lassal, as Audrey know I’m also going to Paris (18 to 20).
    Low cost flight already bought :)

  • If you speak italian (or have a good web translator)
    Photo editor about Perpignan:

  • Laura,

    just got an email from Audrey saying that Diego will also be there. So I am really looking forward to see all of you again. It has been too long!

    Hmmm … need to check if friends of mine are still living in Paris …

  • Hi LASSAL, Uhmm I’m not planning to go to Paris, but… I never know. If I change my mind (and if I get a job quickly) I’ll tell you, and Audrey and Laura.
    Great time in Perpignan with both of them.


    Oops, forgot to ask you:
    I’ve zoomed the picture with Audrey at the front door. Quick look at the names in the list of residents…Chris Anderson, Paolo Pellegrin, where is DAH? Three Magnum Photographers are neighbours?

    That’s pretty cool

  • well – i held a set of keys, yet never had a set of keys :o)

    keys.. keys.. keys.. what are they for?
    no one locks there door here..
    good, good.

    too busy.

    p.s. really want to see some photography celebrating life and cohesion.. consolidation and celebration..
    joy, goddamit, JOY.

  • as an aside, and a tease, i’m doing something now which is contractually prohibited to even talk about..
    at all..
    not photography, although it’s a good ‘in’ to some snaps..
    not illegal, although some who sit at the head of the table could be ashamed..
    not difficult nor taxing, although the money is good.

    riddles riddles..
    if i can photo, i will show.

  • Bought a 4×5 camera today and a plane ticket, neither of which I could really afford (but hey they were really good deals ;-)) and then a few hours later got a check in the mail for a submission I’d completely forgotten about. Fate or luck, I ask no questions, just smile.

    So I’ve never tried to travel with sheet film. Should be interesting, doing my research. Tips anyone? Mucho thanks.

  • Question for the bunch: Know any professional photographers who have done American Indian work? Pow Wows?

  • Lee
    Frostfrog does lots of Native American stuff, and our old buddy Jim Powers showed us some once.

    DAH, Anton, Just curious why the explicit warning appears on the last couple of essays?

  • Tom hyde

    I used 4×5 a bunch in the olden days. Get a good dark bag for loading and un-loading film holders (if you can find one these days). Get an empty film box and mark it plainly EXPOSED and put your exposed film in it. Clean your film holders scrupulessly every time before loading. A vacuum with a brush head is good, but we were taught to use a 1 1/2 in bristle paintbrush to clean them. Remove the dark slides, open the bottoms, tap the sides of the holders with the side of the brush to dis-lodge dust under the guides, and brush the dust away.
    Have fun.

  • Just curious why the explicit warning appears on the last couple of essays?

    I’ve never really gotten the explicit content warning. Seems to me implicit content is far more dangerous.

  • Gordon, thanks … and hold emulsion down when loading … tap, tap :)) I’m most concerned about the airport security issues, i.e. xray and boxes that cannot be opened, enroute and return. I could buy film at my destination but still need to get it back home for processing. Obviously people do it though … googling … maybe I shouldn’t worry about low speed in the xray, still, worried, I’m good at that … googling …

  • Lee – I have done some Pow Wow photography myself – I have a couple friends who are Indian and have done extensive work on the topic. I can try to put you in touch with them if you like. A bit of advice when working with American Indians – The first thing you should try to understand is their humor… And what Personal Sovereignty means from people to people.


    the “explicit warning” should not have appeared on last essays…my mistake…


    well, now my feelings are really hurt and i thought you surely must have read my published work bio by now….. i did a major essay and cover story on Native American Powwows for Natgeo and published just prior to the time when you were my student in Santa Fe and with the cover shot from a powwow in….yup, Santa Fe …hmmmmm….my powwow photographs have also been in several photo anthologies…i spent over a year living and breathing the Native American powwows….not to mention the Inuit essay before from Alaska and Canada shot a few years before powwow, also a cover story……oh Lee, you know i am teasing you, but the above is fact…a quick search Magnum archives under my name and Native Americans will show you some….and of course if you need some suggestions etc. i will be pleased to help you….ahhh, if there is silence in the room, i can hear those drums now…once they are in your head, you cannot get them out….

    cheers, david

  • Hey David, send that bag per favor, amigo. If you wait any longer, I may not have it for my next trip to Asia.

  • Tom…

    If you’re using any variation of the zone system you’ll need at least three empty film boxes for the exposed film (n, n+1, n-1, etc…)

    Low speed film (up to 400 asa) exhibits minimal to no fogging even after many passing through x-ray airport machines… this is true for the machines used on the carryon items… the machines used on the checked in luggage are way stronger…

    Supposedly the cosmic radiation at high altitudes (even inside the cabin) is by far stronger than the airport x-rays… haven’t tested it though—not a frequent flyer… in any case you could use one of those lead-lined x-ray pouches…

    If you’re not going to be developing on your trip you won’t need a big changing bag with room for a tank, but then again the roomier the bag the easier things get… (I’ve being putting off getting one of those tent-like changing bags for a long time…)

    Have fun…


    you should have no trouble traveling with any kind of film if it is on your person…….in the U.S. it has always been easy and continues to be even easier if you need the film eye inspection only…our TSA folks are bored to tears and if you ask them to kindly eye inspect your film they are more than happy to do it just for the change of pace…tougher in France and impossible in the UK where if you object too much, they will then xray it twice…most countries, most of the time, no problem for an eye/manual inspection of your film…if you have it organized in those nice zip bags , it makes it even better..the lead bags will not really work imo, because if they cannot see through it, they can turn up the xray dose until they can see through it thereby exposing your film…if they did not do that then anyone could put anything into those lead lined bags and slip it through security….


    oh sorry…yes yes…

  • I will look at your work Jason. Thanks. My cousin who lives in the Cherokee Nation and is a member of the tribe as well as a Cherokee artist, is filling me in on information about the Cherokee. I myself am part Cherokee but never took the time to trace like he did. His mom (my aunt by marriage) had proof so it was easier for him.

    DAH. Blush. I will look.

    Spent two days out there at the pow wow and got a nice taste. I am putting the photos on the wall and trying to see what it is that is special there. My work with the whirling dervishes came in handy as I have it down for capturing the face and keeping the movement and not getting the crowd behind the dancers. It was an amazing weekend actually. Ok. I’m going to Magnum & Jason to check it out.

  • DAH, I am beginning to remember that work with NatGeo now. What issue was that magazine. I can almost see the cover. Think it is of the dancer with a side view in full regalia.

    My cousin is John Lee Guthrie if anyone is interested in looking for his art. He is an amazing artist.

  • Jason went to your page but no connection w Indian work.

  • TOM H :))

    hand-=check…..i always do…even though the effect to film 400 or lower from scanner is minimal to non-existent, i still hand-check…and as David says, MOST of the time, they’ll just say ok….i had all my film, including med format, hand-checked/swabbed, on my trip to cape breton….THE ONLY problem i’ve ever had (none in canada or the US) was when marina asked the security folk in Paris to hand-check/swab her film on her way to moscow…they absolutely refused because they said they didn’t have the time, and she insisted 2 times and then they bullied her…she put the film through the scanner and, when she developed the film in our kitchen 2 months later, all was ok….

    so, dont worry…besides, the marginal fogging that may/may not occur if you must have them scanned might make things more interesting….

    plus the added advantage: the security folk think you’re a serious photographer ;)))…this always cracks up my son :))

    congrats on the 4×5, sweet


  • Tom, if you travel abroad a datasheet in English AND the foreign language you travel to might be helpful, to show them what you got in thoses boxes, while most security people recognise a rollfilm, sheet film is less common. No problem for handchecking in Italian airports, IF you check in early enough, had no problems in Budapest nor Istanbul either, no handchecking in Beijing for 400 asa film or slower, but they did handcheck 3200 asa film.

    If you put the film in lead bags tell them about it, don’t put it just through the scanner! And even with handcheck, the leadbags are usefull up in the air.


    if you go to Magnum and search powwow with my name , you will see the cover shot..if you search native americans and my name, you will see some others also published in the story…cover was of a mother whose daughter had just danced and won and she is hugging the daughter…i just was able to take one shot …and no time to focus even…like i always say, if you see the moment , take the friggin picture…check your focus later!!! that ng cover proves my point..

    cheers, david

  • EVA…

    yes, i had not thought about that, but the lead bags are useful in the air of course…they are of little or no use in the security line itself because they will either open them anyway or zap right through them, but flying ahhhh yes ….in any case, after years and years of having my film x-rayed, flown in cabins of airplanes for up to 40-50 hours of flying time etc, i never had a x-ray fog problem… at least not discernible ….of course i always shot very low asa films….never anything more than 64…sounds funny now , doesn’t it? i started shooting with asa 25, so a boost up to 64 seemed amazing!! and lots of low light stuff too…hmmm…fast leica lenses…steady at an eighth of a bottle tripods….like life before atm machines or iphones ..unimaginable

  • David, sounds like heaven to me :)

    btw, just had a look through here:

    makes me want to shoot colour, argh…

  • EVA…

    a combo of essays of mine…all slow film stuff….how did you arrive there? even i have never seen that combo put together quite like it is on that page….

  • David, the above is the ‘Classic Harvey’ combo, here’s the ‘Best’ combo:

    if you click on the first picture to the right side you’ll find: related features, and there various links.. love that slow film stuff..

  • EVA…

    thanks…never heard of this or was not paying attention!! funny…

  • DAVID/EVA :)))

    no time to go through all 437 ;)))….though i did go through 1-250 :))…..i’d kill to get asa 25, good-freakin’-god! :))))))….if i can find that, i’ll drop trix400 right NOW! :))…..

    by the way, David, listen, you really really need to do a book on the pictures of solitary children….i know you know i’ve written about this beautiful phenomenon before in your work: the solitary child as an extension of that beautiful, blond, brill-cream child with polio in Va, but some of the most iconic images in your archive…..

    pic 92 from eva’s 1st link (the fisherman’s son on the beach beneath the moon gotta be one of the finest and most sublime images of what each of us really is in this life, i know)…as well as the boy at the table with the vertical shadow’s, the boy in quatemala rolling the ring over the lake, boy in artclass…naked boy in australia sweeping, ballerina dancing on rooftop over brazil, the boy with tuna, the girl in cuba, the child in spain, the kid in vietnam, and on and on and on…..

    really david, when i finish my shit this year/before next summer, i’d like to come down to OBX and sit down with you and go over that archive and pic out those solitary pics….there’s beauty, hope, sadness, loss, redoubtable spirit in those pics….

    these solitary children form a singular contribution to the medium….

    trust me…

    i could see it as a big seller….

    i even have a title for you:

    “from this day forward” :))

  • ALL, many, many thanks. Have heard/read horror stories, from Richard Attenborough (UK) to TV show Lost (US), about refusals to hand check and lost film footage. Never had a problem with rolls or canisters, can’t help being nervous about sheet. I’m flying in the U.S. and will stick with lower speed so, fingers crossed and relaxing a bit.

    BOB, yes, yes, random xray lomography :))

    Heading back home for a few days. As my Mom says, you can’t go home again but you better visit! :))

    DAVID, after a visit to Lexington I am swinging by the OBX for a few days. As I think I’ve told you the area holds many great memories for me. Been too long. Found a nice little historic B&B just down the road. If you are having a workshop with final slideshow on Oct. 15, then I would love to pop in, sit on the porch for a few. Know you are crazy busy but if you’re in town … Hoping Bickford is around too.

    Hmmm, you think Avalon pier would let me set up a camera, height of fishing season and all? I’ll pay extra ;))

  • and if i finish my book, i’ll write an forward/essay….

    thing about it….i know you know how important that extraordinary list of magnificent photos of solitary children in your archive are….

    the problem is the edit, since there are so many truly iconic images of children….

    it will be a book about children that is not sentimental or kitschy or crass….not kids as cute/sweet, but children as developing/questioning/thoughtful/mad/broken/surprise human beings….


  • for example, look what i put together quickly….and this doesn’t really have all of them extraordinary ones…

  • Hey Bob, when you will be finished with David’s iconic Children book, drop by in San Francisco (or Thailand!), and help me with my own…. Thanks!


  • Bob, you talking black ‘n white 25? If yes, start dropping that trix.. there’s efke 25 and this one, 20 asa:

  • herve! :))))))))….

    would love to….just got back from vacation….time to talk…give me a week to get caught up with emails/work/shit :)))…..

    eva :))))….hunting now :)))))))

  • BOB. 25 asa(B&W) is easy to get ADOX do it EFKE do it. If you cant get any over there give me a shout. I still have some 12asa sheet film in the freezer too. Kodak still do a 64 slide and of course theres velvia 50, which you can pull a stop if you wish.

    eva beat me to it.

  • ….or you could just shoot digital :)

  • JOHN/EVA :))!

    damn, now i’m excited….i know about the velvia50, :))))…but, had never thought/heard/been exposed/dream of something like 25 asa or 12…jesus! :))))….

    .literally now off to run to Henry’s to ask about ADOX AND EFKE…wish me luck…

    y’all are the best! :))))


    of course you are welcomed….this is perfect…8 ball challenge on the Avalon pier…or, yes, there is always fishing….see you in october…the hand made book making class awaits your presence…and perusal


    yes, Velvia 50 pulled a stop is sweet sweet…you keep the black (the reason for using it in the first place) but cut the contrast just a bit…nice

    Bob, i do not know if i have mentioned it here before, but one of my back burner projects was Daydreamer, a book about childhood …most specifically about from the time you leave your parents to adulthood…the loneliest of times , the most character building of times…this became a book dummy and was at one point scheduled along with Div Soul to be a book in the early nineties……even had a Daydreamer exhibit or two…..funny with similar but different pictures for the most part from what you have chosen, but yes along those lines….might bring this back to the surface…certainly in a retrospective work , it would be a chapter at least….you are only one of two people who have spotted this in my work (that i know of)….interesting….good call…definitely there to be manifested at some point

    funny even when i see a loose edit of my work , i think differently about it…i mostly try not to look at my own work, so spend very little time analyzing it…when i do look , as today only because of Eva and you, i realize that the tight editing of my work for magazines and for books is just part of the story…the loose wandering just take pictures person that i am does indeed show up and is different than the tight edit dah..more like your friend Giacomelli who took pictures of every damned thing for a myriad of “reasons” or no reason…whatever…one could create five different essays out of that work you showed as most can see…the vision the same all the way through even though subject matter changed…i know this is a third person vision of my own work, but as i said i rarely rarely look…my theory is live, shoot, react, shoot, live, shoot…and edit the day before you die…the perfect artists life….

    cheers, david

  • Bob, now that’s something I want to see.. knowing your photography and the absence of grain of these films I’m curious how you’ll shake them up! Hope you find some!

  • DAVID. Velvia is what ive decided to take to rio. And the last of my 800 fuji color neg stash(gone for ever now sadly)

  • Bob; if you want a better price for Tri-X look at Freestyle’s “Arista Premium B&W 400 ISO”; it’s supposed to be re-badged Tri-X. Well it’s USA manufactured B&W, and Tri-X is the only one that is still made there. The consensus seems to be that it is Tri-X.


  • John, check your mail..

  • EVA. Yeah just that you trying to sell me viagra? :)

  • Eva.That you trying to sell me viagra??? :)

    The ebay stuff Expired 2007…and its the npz not the pro 800Z which is my favorite color neg of all time. I have 10 rolls left(in 35mm) and I guess RIO is as good a place as any to use them up.

  • John, just checked.. have 20 rolls of the Pro 800Z here at home, expired 2007 too though, if you want it it’s yours..

  • EVA…but if you can rustle up some type 55 that dont cost an arm and a leg i’ll buy a whole bunch of that. There’s nothing digital that’s ever going to touch that for feel. Best price I can get is £180 a pack.

  • EVA I WANT I WANT. Is it 35mm???? I have a whole bunch of 120, but I will take that too if thats what it is.

  • The odd thing is, I have a plugin for potato shop that will make my digi files look JUST LIKE 800Z, and the prints on good paper are truly gorgeous….but….im a fucking dinosaur :)))

  • Arista Premium is Tri-X and Legacy Pro 400 is Fuji Neopan 400. I dont care if everyone involved swears up and down on stacks of Gone with the Wind that they aren’t; they are. I use the two all the time and I dont see a damn bit of difference between them and the brand names and neither does the guy that does my developing. It is what it is.

  • OIL tom… oil..
    been wanting to get into it for a while. in norway..
    now.. hard labour with the reward of access?

  • Akaky; True; I’m going to order some of the Arista Premium in a couple of weeks. 35mm Tri-X and HP5 is between $12-16 here (NZ) :-(

  • John, it’s 20 rolls of 35mm and found 4 rolls of 120, also expired 2007. Shoot over your address.. off to bed now..

  • Jeez, I tried to give away a bunch of 120 fujichrome a few months back, anybody want it now?

  • DAH, found them. Nice.

  • David B., yes, yes, of course. my apologies. :))

  • and edit the day before you die

    Or have someone do it after we die? I remember that discussion on RT about widows, or rather spouses or scions/devotee of great artists, and how it mattered who had the rights to a life’s work.

    Interesting point raised, David. When it comes to a body of work (say, childhood pictures, horses, a not so imprecise subject) What matters? how you see your work, or how Bob, or the public sees it? There is only one book to be with the same photos, after all.

  • Hey all,
    I went to a funeral in February, and it was cold.

    hugs to all,

  • What I have noticed is that getting “close” to a “subject” for a long period of time , I become “one”, I become “it” for a while.. Like being an actor.. Voluntarily surrender our own identity , lose ourselves ..
    Did that started happening to u too? Anton?

  • (I tried also to post the above to your blog but wouldn’t let me, somehow:)

  • Hey Panos,

    I can understand what you are saying, and it has happened to me before on other projects and in real life…

    But not on this project… The Japanese culture is so different, and I do not speak the language at all, both which make it very hard for me to “surrender” myself or my identity. Also, I am never completely immersed for a long time because I travel up& down, and am rarely shooting for more than 2-3 weeks at a time, and have several projects on the go simultaneously.

    It’s a good point you make… I believe that what you describe, is the greatest danger of any long term project. To be honest, I don’t know if one should avoid the becoming “one” or not… but my gut feeling tells me to stay true to myself and my own (moral) compass… I believe by not being able to speak the language, and not immersing myself for long periods of time, is a way to safeguard myself against this happening…

    but then again, should I safeguard myself in the first place? It’s a very interesting question you ask.

    let me think more…

    hugs bro,

  • ps your comment came through, it was just the “first time” moderation…

  • should I safeguard myself in the first place?……….. the carp and the “silent ones” hold the key

  • Panos, “Like being an actor.. Voluntarily surrender our own identity , lose ourselves ..” I’ve done it many times: a way of experiencing identities that may have been, or still may be, you. Good question Panos. Incidentally, I saw a t-shirt in a store a few days ago with the logo ‘Venice Beach, California” printed upon it – and I immediately thought of you!

    Anton may have been “saved” the experience by the language barrier. Anton, your respect for your subject shines through. Can’t wait for the book!

    my father old camera was “quite” working. After 40 years..
    So ..other memories from PERPIGNAN 2010:

  • I’ve already told about congratulation to the editor and all the photographers in BURN.01 but I have to give it also to the Burn.01 written essay :)

  • There’s written essays in BURN 01?! Who’d be dumb enough to write something for a book full of photographs? I mean, really, some people are just too dumb to believe. No one’s going to pay any attention to the written stuff, so why bother writing something in the first place? You buy a photography book to look at the pictures, not read what some dope has to say about the pictures. Just think about it for a second: whoever wrote an essay for BURN 01 will have to wait for the Braille version to come out before someone comments on the writing, Laura being the exception that proves the rule here. For sheer pointlessness, writing something for Burn 01 is on a par with being the head of the music department at Gallaudet University or grafting poison ivy onto a lemon tree. You could do it, I suppose, but why would you want to?

  • Larry Towell, Toronto, October 6th

    I HATE it when I sit on the worng side of the planet..

  • Panos

    “Voluntarily surrender our own identity”

    I think we do this all the time, even when socializing. We tend to adopt a persona, or perhaps more accuratly, find the piece of ourselves that resonates with those around us. I find myself doing this even when making a family portrait.
    There are occasions when we find ourselves outsiders, for whatever reason un-able to surrender. Antons situation must certainly be one of those occasions. I think what makes his series so powerful is the humanity he finds despite the barriers.

    I guess we all have a core identity, though I’m still not sure who I really am. I tend to become a different person depending who I am with. I do like who I am with some people more than others.


  • Akaky, (Akaky IRL?) I read everything since I was a child (everything! Also ingredient on cookie’s box) and I’m used to be the exception that proves something :)
    Sometimes images don’t need words to go with but often a book (also a photographic book) increase with the right intro. Let’s talk about after BURN.01 will be distributed….

  • akaky..;)))))

    ..well, at least your essay was A LOT shorter…and funnier than mine ;)))….

    7 people wrote me privately from Perp to say how much they loved BURN01 (i cant wait to see it), and not one of them (including 2 friends from france) mentioned that they’d read my essay ;)))))))))))))…..or mentioned it ;)))….

    let’s keep it a secret…..and i want tell mrs. hcb about jumping puddle ;s0))….

    and that’s totally fine with me….very happy to be a part, but i’ll force those folk to read the essays after they’ve been drinking, that’ll get them ;)))))))

    …I guess, i’m just like you dad :))))

    burn01 rocks! :)))



    wow absolute words of wisdom…



  • I was going to post this under Guido Gazzilli’s essay, but don’t think that it was the right place, not sure if this is, not sure if there IS a right place at all, been thinking to just trash it.. but..:

    “This essay (Guido Gazzilli’s) has the power to draw me in, it puts me on the same level with the protagonist and the photographer both, I feel ‘IN’, not outside, not hope and helpless, close enough but with space to breath and space to respect and be respected.

    It might be simpler, more straightforward than the essay following this, the one by Andy Spyra. It might be less close from a photographic distance than Spyra’s, but it’s closer contentwise, much closer than the one preceeding it, the one by Gopesa Paquette, which to me is too distant.

    I have both content and context here. I’m not overrun by what might be autorship in terms of picture processing and manipulation, where no distinction is made by pictures describing pain and suffering and religious extasy and adoration, it looks all the same.

    I don’t think autorship is about a punch in the stomach. It goes further. I do hope for Andy Spyra, but mostly for the subjects of his photographic work, that he will be able to take it further.

    As for Bob’s remark under Andy Spyra’s Kashmir essay about still remembering that work after a week from now, not attaching it to a name but to content (“i think you’ll remember the pictures and the content quicker than the name…”), well, I have to say that ‘Andy Spyra’ was stamped loud and clear in my brain after coming out of the Geneva exhibition. Three distinct essays of the many displaced there are still resonating with me, after months.

    Marcus Bleasdale and Congo. Both the author and his work, beautifully crafted btw.

    Then a female photographer, I could not remember her name, but do remember the work and the topic, so what I took with me, what stayed after the exhibit was not the photographer, but her work alone, you can find the essay here:

    And the third was Andy Spyra. With no reference to Kashmir though. But with reference to his style. Whenever I would run into one of his (heavily) processed images (all over the net these past months between grants, awards and exhibits, as Lumix, Leica, Kodak, Anthropographia etc.) I’d remember the name, but, alas not the content/context of the work itself.

    I would not know that this says anything about photography, photographers and essays, authorship and style, I only can tell what it says about me, as one of the audience, as part of those whom the work is adressed to, who could and should react to it and in the best case not only consume the work, but also do something.

    When making photographs of struggle and pain, I think we must think further, the work can’t just end in itself, that would mean we use these people only for our own good.

    This is the point where I struggle with Andy Spyra’s work and all the talk about whatever (style, postprocessing, art and so on) but very very little about content.

    I am aware that this is my very personal take on it, as part of the (not mass)audience, as I’m not a photographer.”

  • EVA…

    i do think you are struggling a little with what exactly is “content”…..and the endless art class discussion of content vs. form…please not that!! maybe we should have a whole discussion on this….if we were in the same room at the same time with both the Guido and the Andy stories up on the wall in prints and when from shot to shot and discussed “content”, then i think we could resolve some issues…maybe i do not know what you mean by content….what do you mean by content?? the “what” of the picture?? the keywords that could be referenced from it? not sure what you mean….

    by the way artists have been “using people for their own good” for centuries…you are in the middle of it Eva !!! at what point do you think a photographer trespasses and is only thinking about himself/herself and not the subject?? there is no answer for this one i am afraid….the altruistic nature of any human being can only be guessed…i think all of us as human beings are alternately selfish and which proportions and at which times and for which reasons are not easily discernible….

    i think if you watch carefully you will notice what i notice..that if a photographer has a vision or a really good eye or are really talented, they often get accused of being “not about the content”…that has been something i have noticed since my student days in university…in other words take the same content and have the talented photog take a look and the less talented take a look, and the less talented might be considered more content oriented…the most visual , who might have an amazing eye, will often be castigated for that great eye…i guess that is the way of the world all around isn’t it?

    however, i too love love the essay by Guido and most personally respect this more introspective and quieter look and feel…and i never meant to imply that a “punch in the stomach” was the only way to authorship…quite the contrary….i usually prefer a more subtle approach to people and to subject matter as you well know….it just happens that this is the way of Andy on this particular essay….it only came up as a topic under the Andy Spyra essay for whatever reasons….photographers are funny in this regard…if one compliments a story, then everyone thinks , ahh “this is what he likes” and then goes out and tries to emulate or reject or whatever…same with grants and contests…happens in my classes….however, the real authors, the real photographers, will not do that…they will see what is appreciated by whatever juror for whatever myriad of reasons, learn a bit, and then go do their own thing….i appreciate the Andy story and i appreciate the Guido story…for two different reasons…kinda like Italian wine appreciation if you get my drift….

  • if one compliments a story, then everyone thinks , ahh “this is what he likes” and then goes out and tries to emulate or reject or whatever…

    Yea, that’s gotta suck. I can see why you are often suspicious of people’s motives.

    A discussion of content would be nice. Well, probably not nice, but certainly interesting and no doubt educational. It could possibly be an opportunity to revisit and expand on the discussion on being careful “what you become known for” which took place a few weeks ago. I’m sure that’s true, but it’s sad in its utter wrongness. I went to a show of Andy Warhol’s later works last weekend and there was a quote in which he bemoaned that phenomenon. Can’t remember it exactly and can’t find it with a quick google, but it was something along the lines of artists should be able to change their style anytime they want, that that was a good thing.

  • MW…

    yes, a discussion of content will come…i just cannot do it the way, i hope you are coming to the loft as well…the whole new york crown is invited of course….ok running see you next week i hope….

    cheers, david

  • Hi everyone,

    Sorry to jump in and change the subject…..

    but I wanted to let you know I will have five photographs from my “Brooklyn” book project, including the one published here on Burn, in the Capture Brooklyn exhibition at the powerHouse arena from September 24 – October 15.

    Come join me for the opening night on September 23 at 7pm if your around

  • From the Commercial Appeal:

    Photographer Ernest Withers doubled as FBI informant to spy on civil rights movement.

    An interesting read.

  • Valery just made my reservations for visiting NYC and I arrive the 24th. Will make sure I go by and see your work.


    i will try to bring my class …and you must join us please at my loft for our big slide show and fiesta on the friday evening after your show…congratulations and i look forward to seeing you at Powerhouse…big week coming!!

    cbeers, david

  • LEE…

    coming to see us as well i hope…you are certainly most welcomed to show up whenever you want….after all, the loft class is your alma mater..

    cheers, david

  • Thanks David and Lee.


    I look forward to seeing you as well at powerHouse and at your loft for the slide show, thanks. Busy two weeks for me, scrambling to print and frame everything!

  • good morning David
    couldnt help noticing your twitter posts.. i hope flying helped you ditch your troubles.. is there anything we can do to help?


    smiling…thanks..all is twitter was just reflecting normal everyday problems…nothing major, but appreciate your offer of help…the flight was amazing…and then an air to air shot later where i was shooting from a Cessna of the red biplane over the dunes etc…late light..kinda cliche actually , but fun to do…


    very interesting read and a bit disconcerting to say the least..i was reading fast and i may have missed something, but i never could figure out from this piece what Withers actually did…that is, what secrets or whatever he actually “uncovered” or reported that was not pretty common knowledge…after all he was not reporting on terrorists ready to strike….he was simply a black man in King’s circle…but since King was doing nothing wrong, what got reported??…still seems to me he had no more access to info than did many even though he was on the “inside”…or, did i miss it? still deplorable and a shock and now one more reason journalists cannot be trusted in the eyes of many

  • content vs form

    I think, as far as photography, it is mainly due to what the eye is ( or is not) seeing, then the brain kinda follows the eye, as it does with everything else that has to do with seeing (like a car rushing towards you, or your Mom seeing you after a long time). So, it is natural for the brain to react at first inquisitively, if not negatively, when something not too concrete appears on a frame. Moreover when that something is about documenting a place, one way or another. the eye sees no facts, the content is artistic, arghhhh!, so the brain needs to talk back to the eye. Or runs the chance to reject because it finds not much has been seen by the eye. Compounded by the fact that an emerging P. may not have a totally realized vision, and total artistry.

  • add: so the brain needs to talk back to the eye…. Or take it from there.


    “He later divulged details gleaned at King’s funeral in Atlanta, reporting that two Southern Christian Leadership Conference staffers blamed for an earlier Beale Street riot planned to return to Memphis “to resume … support of sanitation strike” — to stir up more trouble, as the FBI saw it.”

    “Much of his undercover work helped the FBI break up the Invaders, a Black Panther-styled militant group that became popular in disaffected black Memphis in the late 1960s and was feared by city leaders.”

    I don’t know how much damage he actually did, but it is pretty sad. I guess he really was an informant posing as a photojournalist. To be called a photojournalist implies you have ethics.

  • David-glad to hear its not so bad…flying in evening light=good medicine for the soul :)

  • but i never could figure out from this piece what Withers actually did…
    probably merely reporting to the FBI, keeping tabs. these agencies just love big files, the more the better. Plus, their M. O. is professional paranoia. Having the means to do so, big empires always tend to look a lot over their shoulders.

    KGB had some funny spies too in many countries, like french actors for ex. (Michel Simon) and we know that if they do not find what they need, they will make it up. all they need is a few easily manipulable pointers, or sputtering, if not smoking, guns… Like a devious photographer.

  • Aie…. yes, it’s: did someone say they just flew….

  • PETE..

    still sounds like he was an informant without much information and nothing to give the FBI on any illegal activity…officials may have “feared” and were paranoid and racist, but nothing outside of basic civil rights (right to gather, right to free speech) was happening as far as i can figure…weird that he would betray his profession and his people for no real reason…is there any possibility that he knew the information he was giving was in fact non-information and therefore making the King folks and the Black Panthers more innocent rather than more guilty because the info was in fact nothing at all? well, i guess if you are on the payroll of the FBI you are on the payroll of the FBI..just trying to imagine what Withers might have been thinking that we are not thinking…and how do we know that Withers is not being set up NOW to make the black community look bad or feel there are always informants among them and discredit journalists simultaneous?? now that’s a paranoid thought!!

  • Herve

    Now that you point it out, Peter Pan and DAH… we have to grow older, but we don’t have to grow up (((:

  • DAH, of course I am coming. The reason for the whole trip. Plus see a couple friends and some art and this time, this time I am going to see the Statue of Liberty. Never have done that. See you then.

  • Congratulations to Anton, Carl Bower, and Matt Eich for your wins in the Photography Book Now competition!

  • Withers spied for the FBI while portraying an advocate photographer that marched with the folks he reported on? What a creep.

  • Great job Anton. Looking forward to the next one.


    thanks for this…congrats Anton, Carl, Matt…yes, very cool….and cool for all of us as well… Burn published and endorsed photographers get three out of the twelve awards…in the Editorial Category (documentary photography) , Burn photogs won three out of four…..this is only the beginning for all three of you…

  • Congratulations to Anton, Carl Bower, and Matt Eich…for Blurb competition :)))))))))))

  • David:

    just quick, as I’ve been out all day with Fedora, hoping to get some context and interaction.. anyway, to answer your easiest question:

    “what do you mean by content??”

    Keep in mind that I have no formal art education, never taken a class.. so, to me content is the story told by the picture, the essay, told by what is IN the picture and a lot of time by what is left OUT of the picture. Form is.. a poem vs. an essay vs. a manual. All of them have content, their form is different. And since I’m ignorant of the matter, perhaps I’m worng with this, but I don’t think it’s a content vs. form thing, as form always has some kind of content, and the same the other way around.

    Ok, gotta go, people here’s asking/pledging/screaming for dinner..

  • ANTON, Carl, Matt

    Big Congrats!!! :)))))

  • Congrats to everyone that won the Blurb contest. I remember liking CHICA BARBIE when it first appeared on Burn, glad it’s gotten some further recognition.

  • EVA…

    all i know is that with your explanation you made me smile…now THAT is CONTENT…. :)

  • I want to apologize to everyone for IRL’s rant above. I do my best to keep him away from the computer when I am not around, but everyone once in a while he manages to get through. Again, my apologies. You ought to apologize too, you know.

    AKAKY IRL: Go blow it out your ass, guy.

  • ANTON, !!!!!!!!!!!!! :))))))….big big big congrats…so happy, so proud…893 sits in our bookcase beside the bed, next to the copy of Grossman, Kundera and Dragons are singing tonight ! :)))))))….will send you a private note too :)))

    congrats to Matt and Carl as well, both strong strong work! :)))…for some reason, i thought Carry Me Ohio had been published by someone else, but either way, rock on! :))))

    great ya’ll! :))))

    HERVE :)))…important points….but you’ll be happy to know that i have no time to write now, so someone else will have to take up the content/form and eye discussion (an important one)….what the eye sees is knowledge, pre-processed, what knowledge/opinion is is post-digested/processed information….cybernetics has a lot to say on this matter :)))))…but no time for hyperbole, gotta split :)))

    hugs around, off the grid for time now


  • Congratulations to all the Burnians awarded at the Book Now competition!

    BTW, nice to see some recent work by Arthur Tress…

  • DAH – I finally sent the most recent copy of Uiñiq magazine, along with my book, Gift of the Whale, which I might note, Akaki, is filled with both my photos and written words, to you today at the Magnum address.

    I would have sent them before I left, but my wife had moved my Uiñiq magazines to a new place and was not home to help me find them. Given the depth of some of what you have published on Burn lately, I almost didn’t want to send the package at all, yet, even if I dig in a different direction than most of today’s noted photographers, I believe there is depth there and I am always looking for the vision to go deeper.

    I pretty much missed this thread, being as how I was out on an island in the Beaufort Sea without internet – not as windy as at David’s home during the hurricane, but pretty windy, anyway, and a whole lot colder – perhaps as cold as Anton’s February funeral, although I cannot say that for certain.

    I thought briefly about trying to catch up on all the dialogue here, but that is a task I am just not up to. And Akaky – the new edition of Aperture Magazine reached me today and that is one thing that drives me mad about Aperture – the absurd, boring, written pieces where the author speaks hyperbole as s/he attempts to tell you what you are seeing.

    But for me, photography is like my right hand and writing my left – or sometimes the other way around – they go together as one package. But my work is not Burn 1.

  • Anton

    893 arrived in my mailbox today. Looking forward to spending some time with it. Congratulations on your recognition.

  • David:

    Making you smile sure can’t be a bad thing :)

    Now, your second question is much more difficult to answer, but to me much more important than the one about content and form:

    “at what point do you think a photographer trespasses and is only thinking about himself/herself and not the subject??”

    Every photographer is to a certain degree a voyeur and an attention seeker (unless s/he keeps the pics exclusively to her/himself, then we probably could skip the attention seeker part). To me personally, and I can only answer your question for myself, according to my parameters and principles, the trespass occours if there’s no counter part for the subject portraited, especially given that in the case of the essay in question there is real suffering of real people. If this should be the case (and I don’t say it is!, only it might be, that’s where I understand both Preston’s and MW’s latest remarks), then, to me, it’s a big no.. keeping in mind that there could/should also be made a distinction between consciousness and unconsciousness on part of the photographer in doing so (and still keeping in mind that I have no education whatsoever not only in art, but in photojournalism either).

    What I am concerned about is not the style, the vision, the talent of the photographer per se, only when all this together overrides what happens in front of the lens, putting the spotlight on the one behind it, instead.

    A question that comes to my mind is: who is the target of work like the one shown by Andy Spyra for example, and by Anthropographia Award panels more in general?

    You are aware that writing all this is a challenge to my English skills (which I took classes of, eons ago and only at basic level)??!

    Anton: :)))))

  • Eva for some of us the subject never mattered…….. the persons photographed are an idea, a symbol even at times a thing(just like a brick)……….and no it is not being purely objective nor cold hard and callous they the subjects are the vehicles that allow the concepts/narrative to travel.

  • Congratulations to all on the Blurb bonanza. Well smart.

  • the persons photographed are… (just like a brick)……

    Yea, exactly. Why do people say that as if it were a bad thing? Though it would be a great thing if everyone did get paid for being photographed. Where I live and work, and considering how often I walk across the Brooklyn Bridge, I’d be a jillionaire by now, a random passerby in a jillion tourist snapshots.

    And Eva, your written English is fantastic. Y yo te digo como algien qui no puede escribir bueno in muchas lenguas, mon escribir est vraiment horrible, exactamente com ceci. Italiano? Fuggedaboutit.

  • Not writing in that context mw

  • Anton,

    Congratulations! …very proud and very amazing.
    i am pleased with you. :))


    i will keep my eye out for your package Bill…i will be in new york all next week, so i should have some time to take a look…too bad your new york lecture did not coincide with one of the loft slide shows …. if you ever come back , we will make sure you are presented at the loft..we have usually have a very good audience for whatever presentations are made in this building..


    your English is perfect…do not think about it twice…i have spoken with you by skype , so i know that in conversation you speak perfectly and write perfectly as well….my mother is constantly correcting my English use , so we all always need improvement i suppose…

    i agree with your parameters for trespassing….but why would there be an assumption that Andy trespassed?? how can we know? i think there is another logic here as well…of all the things that man does to man in the course of a day, if you can imagine all the ways that one person can either trespass, insult, steal from, injure , etc then taking a picture of someone, even in its worst manifestation can probably be considered a minor trespass..

    i mean here we have a man taking pictures of a mother whose son was just shot and killed by another man…one man took her sons life, the other man took her picture..i am sure her thoughts are on the first man…i doubt she noticed the second man…..

    this does not give a right to the second man to just romp all over the grieving and the injured and dying…but shouldn’t we put trespassing (if there was any) in this case in its proper perspective??

    the spotlight is on Andy here on Burn for example because we are a magazine specializing in the development of young talented photographers….one of our goals is to encourage responsibility on the part of the photographers here who want to communicate as journalists….so spotlighting a new talent would i hope have as its “end game” better information and better photography for use in mass communication with no spotlight on the photographer at all….i.e. i am never spotlighted when my work is in a magazine…it is all about the subject…however, i might get spotlighted at a photo gathering as Andy is spotlighted here since we are primarily a magazine ABOUT photographers….

    at the same time we have many in our audience who are not photographers and simply appreciate the stories told as with any magazine…IF there were a printed picture magazine like the old Life , or a newspaper which ran Andy’s work, then the spotlight would rightfully be on the subjects portrayed and there would be no mention of Andy….here on Burn we talk a lot about the photography and the photographer, but oftentimes i think we go pretty far in discussing the subject/content as well…our crowd here seems very socially responsible to me…actually , the more i think about it, i am very proud of our audience here in its integrity..

    when you ask where the pictures will be seen and for what audience intended, i think Andy has found it…on various websites and here….he will reach millions of people with this work Eva…even the work on Burn alone after a few days will reach millions…when it is just us talking to each other we often forget the power and the reach of the internet…this is not a pretend exercise…what we do here is real…all the more reason for this discussion and a real sense of responsibility….for this reason i most appreciate your concerns and your questions…they are good ones…

    cheers, david

  • I think we become trespassers when the thing (person, place or thing) we point our cameras at no longer mean anything to us. And that’s an indictment of much modern photojournalism, IMHO.

  • Imants, not sure what context you were writing in. Nevertheless, I was generally agreeing with what I thought was your point, though granted, in my own poor jokey way.

    Of course I don’t believe in absolutes, but in general, if someone is out in public they are consenting to be photographed. We do, however, reserve the right to turn our heads or make funny faces or otherwise do what we can to ruin the photo op. And if they are out in public participating in a political demonstration, that is pretty close to an absolute. For the most part the subjects are responsible for their actions. If they consent to be photographed, either implicitly or explicitly, then that’s that. The photographer’s responsibility is to portray the subject accurately, at least on some level, even as an abstract symbol. Beyond that, I don’t think the photographer owes the subject anything, unless some kind of side deal was cut, in which case one should always keep one’s word.

  • The photographer has no responsibility to portray the subject accurately or even as a subject photography is a means of communication…………… mw go a step beyond the photographer and the photograph

  • Wonderful about the blurb / burn related successes! also congrats to Valery – looks like a great show and of course is of particular interest to me. I’ll be traveling during the opening, but will catch the exhibit before it comes down. That puts me on the road during DAH’s fiesta too – am very sorry to miss the celebration.

    Anton, I haven’t had much time here of late but I was trying to follow your publication but not succeeding – is there a magazine like version available for purchase?


    i agree Jim if the photographer is a photojournalist…it is certainly my way and i teach and implore my students (even the art photographers) to have ultimate respect both for the subjects in front of their camera and for the local culture , customs, etc…besides there is always something to learn by making a new friend…benefits all around….however, philosophically artists may use material however they want as Imants says ..they make no pretense of necessarily caring or engaging with the subjects…again , just different motives, results, and audiences….my statement to Eva above was over simplified to make a point about degrees of trespass since in this case we are referring to photojournalism …..i hope Andy jumps in on this…i would like to hear from him…

    cheers, david

  • Oh, I’m a bit more than a step beyond what I understand you to mean by the photographer and the photograph. And again, no absolutes, but in general I do acknowledge that responsibility to portray people fairly accurately (though I probably have a much more expanded definition of accurate than most). And to some extent it’s embedded in law. We can’t, for example, illustrate a story about child molesters with a picture of just any old guy. That would be wrong, wouldn’t you agree?

  • David when taking the image engaging/caring for the subject is important to me but then there is the new beginning……….


    yes, i know…i think we all are thinking more or less the same thing unless we are just callous robots in a void…i doubt you disrespect anyone when working….i also understand artistic responsibilities are way different than alleged journalistic ones….anyway, a good topic….

  • “We can’t, for example, illustrate a story about child molesters with a picture of just any old guy. That would be wrong, wouldn’t you agree?” No just needs to be placed in the right context
    Some photographers don’t do stories about what they see or think they see……….

  • MW…

    being depicted “accurately” is yet ANOTHER topic…but i have to run to fedex and well, philosophy is fun, but i have a whole bunch of boring nitty gritty things to do…so back to accuracy later…well in a nutshell i doubt there can be accuracy with either journalists or artists…and who says child molesters are necessarily old or men??

  • Even in a journalistic realm I would be guessing what the subject is really on about plus I would be selecting photograpically in terms of my knowledge and biases of the situation

  • and I am off chasing zeds


    I will be in NYC for a brief visit the 22nd to the 26th of October for a wedding in Long Island the 23rd (my shaman’s!). Should have a few extra hours here and there and would love to meet up for coffee if possible. I’ll still be on my dieta so any sort of eating out is pretty much impossible, alas as NYC is one of my fave places to eat in the world. Need to contact DAH about a night or two at the BURN hotel, as much to soak up the atmosphere as a need for a place to stay (with a kitchen!).

    Anyway, it’s a long ways off in BURN time so will remind as it nears.


  • In this context, “accuracy” will prove a very difficult word to pin down. But if you use some random person’s image to illustrate a story about child molesters, you will be sued and you will lose, in the U.S. at least. That’s THE textbook example of libel laws applying to photojournalists. And rightly so. Giving the impression that a random person is associated with something illegal or embarrassing, or even portraying them as something they are not is always dangerous. A bit different with public people, though not so much ethically. Applies to art as well as journalism.

    Hope I get to meet you when you’re here, Charles. Contact me offline about the temporary housing if all else falls through.

  • MW,

    Will do, one way or the other!


  • Charles – really sorry to miss you – I’ll be away. You may find some food options at – (1/2 menu is live / raw ) and most ‘regular’ people can find things there too. Or never tried it though…My fav is vegan / nothing refined, but not sure about live…

  • Thanks Erica. Note this will be in OCTOBER. Yeah, even vegan/raw restaurants can be tough as it’s the no salt aspect of the diet that gives most pause. Will live though, yay for Lara bars and apples!


  • Oh! October will probably work – please remind. We can at least meet up at angelica’s or such and get you a terrif carrot apple beet ginger juice?

  • and..being nyc…most vegan kitchens are used to our specific needs – and will cater to them :)

  • David:

    I can agree with a lot of what you say, and I didn’t want to beat on Andy Spyra, that’s why I didn’t post my comment under one of the essays in the first place.. to me the whole discussion is a more generic one, not tied to the one or other photographer here.. and yes, the Burn audience is differnt from another audience.. anyway, thaks for you comments and time.. also to Imants, Jim, MW.. would be much easier to sit around a table.. understand about the brick, but do not share that viewpoint.. and would that to ‘callous robots in a void’ (had to look that up ;) ) we’d have to add bloated egoists.. just like in every group of people..

    Oh, and skype, meant to call you once you’d be less busy.. you seem never ever to be less busy though, which is a good thing by itself.. btw, you’re one out of 4 people (another being Anton and one my son) to have had the dubious honour of a video chat with yours truly ;)

  • EVA…

    i could have skyped with you this morning…i am up early ….would have if i had known you were available…but now i am “off the internet grid” most of the time until a week from this saturday…i have my loft workshop starting friday and it is intense and not much time for Burn or at least individual skype chats……yes, a round table discussion would make everything so so easy…but this is the next best thing, so we go with it…

    cheers, david

  • ERICA,

    Sounds wonderful! Just no ginger for me. :):)


  • David:

    thank you, I’ll nail you down sooner or later, am hardly home myself until the end of the month.. will try to get a hold of Diego on my way back home through Northern Italy, if that’s ok.. wish you and your students a great time!

  • EVA…

    yes, find Diego…he will have books for you…of course, finding Diego is maybe harder than finding me, but good luck….great guy….you will hit it off i am sure….

    cheers, david

  • Erica…thanks, catch ya next time.

  • hey ALL…

    thanks for the kind words… i feel honored to have won that prize, and i hope it allows me to continue my project even further…

    I’m incerdibly strapped for time, moving my company’s offices, which will take another week. I’ll be back as soon as I can


  • DAVID,

    Just a brief message to say hello and congratulations…I finally got the BURN 01 copy that my parents had bought of Diego in Perpignan and that a strike in France with the mailing company (one of the many :)) kept away from me for too long…. I was really stunned by the book… I was so excited to see the essays (you said it so often but nothing replaces a book and some of my favorite on-line essays have just reached that other level seeing them in print…)…the quality of the print is superb… again magnificient book!… the mix of the iconic photographers and the “emerging” I know was important to you…Two of the iconic are among my favourites photographers but I have to say that looking at the essays from all, I could not tell a difference between iconic or emerging…. simply just great photography… I have watched this little BURN journey from the very beginning and it is so inspiring David to see this book in my hands, something you had in mind from the very beginning…. We need more individuals like you David who can dream big and turn the dreams little by little into reality (of course with the Anton and Diego etc who made it possible as well)… Congrats to all the essayists (I hope this is an english word :):). Let me tell you that you all look very sharp and you should be very proud!!!! Anyone who was in doubt whether or not to buy this book (once David and Anton share on-line how to do this) should not hesitate one second….

    Well done again!!!!!


  • ANTON–

    CONGRATS! am loving your series, both images and words. perfect marriage.

    has everyone seen this link featuring our audrey’s “brigitte et bernard” piece with music and additional photos?

    simply fantastic. she’s got the special Thing, for sure.


    can someone link me to the burn piece that, i believe, was done with a computer webcam?
    large faces on the screen, one heavily tattooed, vivid color & shot completely surreptitiously.

    thank you!

  • Audrey, I remember your series on your parents. Good to see it again. Very touching and intimate.

  • New bike? What kind of bike? The greatest invention of all times : The Bicycle

  • PANOS…

    yes, bikes are art objects in my opinion..functional art…i already had a titanium mountain bike all tricked out with the lightest weight everything, but no good here at the beach…so i bought an Electra kinda sit back a bit totally yuppie bike i guess, but i am going to modify son Bryan told me it was too juvenile , but i am thinking that bikes ARE juvenile..i mean aren’t you 14 when you get on a bike anyway? what is an adult bike?? sun going down…i am going for a ride, juvenile or whatever..who cares?

  • The latest Kashmir essay got me thinking. When I looked at the Anthropographia edit I couldn’t believe how different it was to the Burn edit. The Anthropographia edit was so much more “traditional”.

    Usually; photographers are always encouraged to present the strongest edit (especially on Burn); yet I suppose this essay shows that maybe you have to tailor your edits towards the particular display vehicle. I feel that the Burn essay is by far the strongest edit.

    I can understand that if you visited a location multiple times, and were continually adding more work, then an edit could change quite drastically. But wasn’t this piece shot over a 6-week period? The difference in the two essays isn’t just a case of a few pics being adding or taken out as the story evolves.

    So; to cut a long story short; do we have to tailor our edits? Or do we say “To hell with it, I feel this is the strongest edit so take it or leave it”?

    This is not a criticism of the essay, I’m just interested in why the edit is so drastically different?

    Cheers :-)

  • I posted here because I didn’t want to take away from Andy’s essay discussion by comparing the two edits.

    Cheers :-)

  • Electra.. You would look pretty sharp down in Venice..;)

  • David AH,

    My daughter is cruising atop the Cumberland Plateau
    on a Gary Fisher version of the euro-bike…
    What a ride!

    Remember she’s schoolin’ where S. Alvarez lives. Gotta look good,
    ride good. Kinda like a Leica.

  • answered my own question. i was thinking of this essay:

    wanted to find it to prove a point to a photog friend that you don’t need stellar equipment to make
    impactful photos.

    sidenote: it is a nightmare to try to find anything in archives.
    any way you could have a better system, i.e. page w thumbnails of the lead image that one could click on?

  • Adam – YESSS!!

    thank you.


  • DAH & Paul,

    Those are pretty sweet lookin’ bikes! I recently picked up a vintage JC Higgins on the cheap from my brother-in-law (think vintage English 3-speed bikes as sold by Sears & Roebuck). I plan on restoring it a bit this fall.

  • Thought I would pass along a link for Collect dot Give (via Fraction Magazine):

    Photographers pledging 100% of the profits of print sales to a charity. Matt Eich’s “Elvis the Zebra” from Carry Me Ohio is still available.

  • Ohh I do love a good tangent…Re Bikes – I had been bikeless since I had my 1970’s colnago road bike stolen way back in february , seeing as though I had taken off the brakes and converted it into a fixie I spent the next few months with my heart only slightly warmed by the possibility that the cheek bugger probably found out about the brakes in a spectacular (and painful) fashion…Just got my vintage Ken Light frame ( salvaged from the dump) back from the powder coaters and have assembled an all black and chrome thing of beauty …with a nod towards maturity and self preservation by adding front brakes.

  • Ross, it definitely seems that the edit of the Kashmir essay, or better, the edits, are targeted according to where they’re shown/submitted, as the Oskar Barnack edit is different from the two you already have mentioned..

  • Eva; In your link the edit is sort of a cross of the other two edits. Interesting; tailoring the edit certainly worked in this case. Food for thought.

    Cheers :-)

  • a civilian-mass audience


    I am transmitting from rural …Grecolandia…yes,I am back…

    I miss you all…Bravo to ALLL…of course I LOVE YOU ALLLLLL…

    many stuff to take care…BOUBOULINA is gone…out of oregano…
    thanks to the spirits…lots of olive oil and wine…

    I have to start reading and enjoying …your visions…
    I will be back the soonest…and yes…I love you ALLLL…

    hope you are out there shooting…civilians…:)))

  • welcome back, Civi.
    a silent minute for bouboulina.


    BTW – I found this link, and find the project interesting – maybe some of you, too:

    Catch The World in Motion.
    There is a trailer which illustrates the concept.
    I am not related with the WebSite whatsoever.

  • David – how do you ride a bike and carry a camera at the ready? I always worry about smacking the lens on the handle bars… and a bag seems too cumbersome.


    AKAKY IRL: What the hell, it’s just a frigging chicken, guy. Calm down. Like you never ate chicken before.


    AKAKY IRL: Dude, just because the chicken had a name doesn’t change the fact that it’s a chicken and dinner is its destiny.


    AKAKY IRL: This is an exercise in futility, isnt it?


    AKAKY IRL: Yeah, I thought so.

  • Interesting timelapse footage,Thomas.

    When i first saw it last year I was blown away by this take on the concept

    The night sequences really showcase how good vision combined with technology meets
    to show us something not possible before. These were shot with the 5D Mkll

    there she is in Magenta:

    Looking forward so very much to meet you in Paris, Audrey.
    (dang, I have not done the hotel thing yet …)

  • DAH – Thanks! I will find a way to go to NYC within a year or so and take up your offer.

    Civi – Wish that I could have been there to pay my proper respects at Bouboulina’s final feast.

    Anyone interested: While the winds on Cross Island were not as strong as they were at David’s place, they were cold but the young hunters loved them and the polar bears didn’t mind, either. I haven’t really gotten into Cross Island on my blog the way I hope to yet, while saving some material exclusively for Uiñiq magazine, but I just put up a fun post that illustrates the above:

  • Anton, Wonderful new ! Congratulations !!

    katia, Lee, Lassal,
    thank you very much… Katia, yes, few new pictures…

  • JASON..

    riding a bike and shooting seems quite easy to me and i am shooting MOSTLY from my bike on the outer banks story for natgeo….obx is about a hundred miles long, so bike is not used for transportation but is always in the back of my truck…so i get to a town, park the truck, unload by bike and….a boy on a bike just is not a threatening character…i worked off of my bike a lot when shooting in Washington for many years as well for the same reasons…great way to get around and see things…and a certain innocence associated with someone on a bike….you can ride your bike up to certain street scenes and take a picture in a way that would seem way to aggressive if you were walking..seems odd but true….i use a bike courier bag for shooting either on or off a bike…if the camera is actually out while i am riding , which for me it is most of the time, then the camera strap is under the courier bag strap and it does not swing around or get in the way…when bike shooting i do always have something small like the GF1 or Leica…

  • Yea, I’ve never had any problem riding a bike and shooting. Excellent way to get around, actually. Walking and chewing gum at the same time? That’s a different story.

  • This evening starts my annual loft workshop in New York. 12 international students ages 17 -35. All passionate photographers. Life changes……….. Wish I could b thr to witness it ……

  • Here’s a pretty cool article on John Ford, a collector of personal photographs found in flea markets, etc.:

    And his website “Accidental Mysteries”:

    (Gonna have to check that one out this weekend when I have the time…)

  • is it easier to represent misery than joy?

    the trio of essays concerning the balkans are strange to me.. since as a photographer I’ve been making great efforts to work there with people who are concerned with unity and forward thinking reunification .. bringing people together… for each 3 steps forward taken, it feels like 3 steps back on here lately.

    is it the new n. ireland?
    where snappers go to practice aesthetics and their first tough-story?
    ’cause friends in n. ireland are tired of that..
    and people still email with thanks, for my looking elsewhere for stories.

    the stories make me feel sad for two reasons..
    1 – reflections within the stories reminding me of friends that live there and lived through it..
    2 – for the continuing representation being pushed.. again and again.

    will i next photograph my serbian friend, whose street was hit by a nato bomb while she was standing at a stall buying cigs? is that more interesting to foto fans and photographers than the amazing work she now does in bring people from bosnia, croatia and serbia?

    or my friend from iraq, who was a ‘disposable’ translator for the u.s. in falluja, and who escaped with his life and spent a year traveling to seek asylum, when 8 out of 10 of his friends were executed for collaborating?

    they would be easy stories to illustrate for sure..

    i just don’t know..
    is it easier to portray misery?

  • “work she now does in bringING people from bosnia, croatia and serbia TOGETHER?

  • A movie maker friend of mine once told me: “Its way Easier to trigger emotions and sell drama than try to create/sell good comedy”..

    yes,its way easier to portray misery …

  • from the resolve blog..

    Like many photojournalists based in the United States, I traveled to Haiti to cover the January 12th earthquake. I came home with an impressive array of photographs, which I believed to be both marketable and worthy of public notice. Yet, like many young photojournalists, I had limited opportunity by which to market my work.

    It was a small moment of crisis for me. Were these images of others suffering to become mere fodder for my tweets and Facebook updates? Just another portfolio to be displayed on my website?

  • the guy above actually did do something much greater than than publish his photos.. in time.

  • “i just don’t know..
    is it easier to portray misery?”

    Dying is easy, comedy is hard.

  • akaky.
    that is..
    you kill me..
    bang dead.
    t h o n k .

  • DAVID B..

    hence the dilemma of the jump from one event to another to win World Press traveling photojournalist

  • VIVEK…

    life changes..yes or no?

  • DAVID,

    You promised a pictures from storm if I remember correctly :)

    How are you?
    have no time to read past comments. You are in NY? Busy time, teach time? Show us some works of your students.

  • DAH

    YES life changes … for sure

  • “life changes” at the very least…Change in the way of thinking …it wouldnt be an exaggeration if i state that its almost like a sex change…its more of a spiritual cleansing , self realization ceremony than an ordinary expected workshop…its magic….
    I witnessed it and changed my life…Hard to explain…You Got to be there to experience it…no words!

  • DAH

    bea stubbed her toe yesterday and we´ve been turning away ´photojournalists´ever since..
    i made a lovely cup of tea and only the sun smiled.

    ¨so shines a good deed in a weary world¨ – willy wonka.

  • mtomoly

    An intersesting and honest piece.

    I noted in particular the following paragraph.

    “In the past, I hesitated to book weddings. I made the excuse that I couldn’t book something that far in advance. What if an editorial job came up? In reality, I felt this type of work was beneath me. I felt the same about the portrait market (Yes, I know where this is being read). It’s easy to say now, but what’s more important than a wedding, or capturing a child’s life? Oh well, live and learn.”

    I spent the first dozen years of my photographic career doing commercial and editorial work. I too felt that wedding/portrait work was beneath me. However, when serious health issues made it impossible to work more than a few hours a day, I decided to leave the big city (Vancouver), and move to a small town, and open a portrait studio. I learned several things very quickly. First, it is much harder than you think it is, to run a studio, to attract customers, and to consistently make good portraits. Second, I learned that I loved it. As a bonus, people appreciate what I do, and actually hand over their credit cards to prove it.

    Only trouble is, I don’t get no respect y’know.

  • Most important is that D. teaches you how to “accept” your need for expression as something vital…respect it and Do it better, no matter What you Do!


    i hope i did not promise you pictures from storm…for two reasons: (1) Natgeo gets to see first since i was on commission during storm (2) i do not really have much to show anyway……hurricanes rarely provide many interesting pictures…other type of storms yes, hurricanes not really…except damage pictures…the black sky and intense color of a summer thunder storm is much better for a photograph than the too windy to go out flat light of a hurricane…

    i know i have not shown anything i have been working on for almost a year..that is the nature of commissions…whoever is financing wants exclusivity for the first publication of the pictures, in this case Natgeo…both Rio de Janeiro and Outer Banks will be essays in the magazine in 2011 and then whatever was not used in the magazine (and what was used) will become either books or exhibitions or both….

  • trouble is, I don’t get no respect y’know.

    Gordon, from who?

  • thonk?
    can you do that sort of thing in public?

  • ALL..

    students will start walking in my door any minute…sun perfect…just to meet this afternoon, class officially begins in the morning… i will find out more about who they are and what they expect and need….i go over what it is all about and how we will work…together we will do something very special…it is just that for the first few days it is often painful…

    i have been on the phone lining up guest speakers…and friday night we will burn this town down…i have great guest speaker lined up and will officially launch Burn 01 and present the students who are about to walk through the door…between now and then a lot will happen to them…..all of you are of course invited to this final show and party…this will be a good one…come see me…

    cheers, david

  • Panos

    My tongue was in my cheek, though not all that firmly :)

    Back in 1969 at photo school, I don’t remmember a single fellow student who aspired to be a portrait/wedding photogrpher. We were all just gonna make art, and shoot album covers for rock bands. During the years I taught photography, the students were either going to do travel/adventure work for NatGeo, be nature/wild-life photogs, or shoot high fashion for magazines.

    I actually get a lot of respect from most everybody. However, I know that traditional portraiture is not well understood or appreciated by some in the photographic community. There is no denying that there is a lot of corny fluff out there in the portrait world, just as there is strong journalistic work and some not so strong. The same for fine art or commercial work.

    Gordon L

  • is it easier to portray misery?

    Probably the choice way to start a career, for emerging PJ-ists, unless they have mega talent/vision. Which is only given to very, very few (young photographers).

  • I don’t think it’s any easier to portray misery than other states of being (comedy is not a state of being, btw). I think a lot of the misery thing comes from young people from comfortable western societies going out in the world for the first few times. We see the misery that so many on this planet experience and are shocked and outraged. We come home to our complacent societies and their petty consumerist concerns and we want to shout “look at this!, you see what it’s like for other people!,” and shock them out of their complacency. Or maybe I’m just speaking for myself since that was my history? But as people mature, certainly mature as storytellers, I think they find that shouting is ineffective whether as journalism, rhetoric or art; that in order to appreciate the genuine misery and ugliness in the world, one needs to contrast the bad with the joy and beauty that even the most miserable people usually manage to experience in their lives.

    Then I guess there are some careerist journalists that really don’t give a shit about the suffering masses they exploit for their images. I’ve never actually met one that I know of, but I trust they exist since so many people say so.

  • mw,

    I am not sure what you are saying (young people out in the world and back) has to do with photographing misery/conflicts as a career start.
    First, many emerging (which does not mean beginners at all) photographers are already in their early 30s, and have travelled rough already. Even if younger,They are not dumb-founded bleary-eyed youth discovering a wrold they had no idea of. since we are kids, we know about this world, we have seen that misery.

    But mostly, they just follow a trail that has been traced by the ones very succesful, or famnous (in the profession) from the PJ generation before them ( which I call post vietnam war), Nachtwey, Salgado, Richards, etc…

    That generation worked, IMO, a bit less on the humanist side of photography, they might have a compassionate outlook, but the times they lived in, and shot in, dictated that witnessing be unemcumbered with showing anything but what they saw, that is the pain, the instant and unremedied suffering.

    Because doing something about this misery was most uncertain (most was man-made, militarily and politically imposed on populations, not as a byway of war, but as a goal), they wished, probably not so consciously, to also not remedy to it in a pictural way, by too humanistic a stance.

    I do think these guys have a great influence on what young PJs shoot nowadays. Not that there are not plenty of nuances we can bring to the discussion, just thinking aloud here, not theorizing.

  • DAH

    i’m flying into NY tomorrow. staying thru thursday. would love to swing by and say hello :) may i?

    anna b.

  • Anna ;),
    I will risk it and talk on behalf of D.
    Yes feel welcome to swing by..


  • DAVID,

    Ahhh yes, I forgot you mentioned that it will be a part of job for NatGeo. I have to be patient. Am I able to? ha ha. 2011? well, long time. I’ll be waiting. :))))

  • “tell your heart that the fear of suffering is worse than the suffering itself..And that no heart has ever suffered when it goes in search of it’s dreams”
    Paulo Coelho

    (lee , thank you.. I love this:)

  • ANNA B…

    of course…just give me a call to make sure exactly where we are in our day…i look forward to seeing you…bring new work??

    cheers, david

  • Herve, yes, I agree your take is likely more often true than mine.

    Regarding repetition, Andy Warhol weighs in, channeled by Lou Reed and John Cale

  • “and friday night we will burn this town down…i have great guest speaker lined up and will officially launch Burn 01 and present the students who are about to walk through the door…”

    it will be amazing, i am sure! sorry to be out of town for slideshow, but am traveling for an assignment tomorrow, pitstop in nyc then onward out of ny. if I get all the images in easily I’d like to try to stop in to see you all midweek – will check in with you beforehand to see if it works for you.

    Will burn.01 be for sale at the loft?

  • DAVID B,

    Funny the same thought crossed my mind re the Balkans essays. Glad you voiced it as I haven’t had time. I think it’s one of the reasons the pigeon picture was such a breath of fresh air.

    But perhaps DAH chose those essays so we could have just such a discussion. I’m out of the door right now so will have to chime in later. But I do recall a great color essay about a young man in Palestine. It was so full of life even though it touched on the misery in his daily struggle as well. I just found these recent essays, despite a few stunning images, to be too forced, too student-y for their own good. Bordering on misery tourism, despite all the best intentions.



  • Bordering on misery tourism, despite all the best intentions.
    There were no good intentions to begin with … It’s just that Zoriah attitude
    going to warzones … thinking he is a Fear Factor tv contestant, charging $8K to
    “teach” workshops in Haiti , showing misery one to one…

  • “comedy is not a state of being, btw”

    Clearly, you have never worked for the government.

  • .. I guess it’s the same thing…

  • Well, I wouldn’t lump the likes of Zoriah with the recent BURN essayists. But what I did see was their thinking/intellect (ie written essays) outstripping their photos. For example, the one on just the individual guy would have been stronger/more fascinating if it was JUST about him, and we didn’t have to suffer through more “setting the scene” pictures of feral dogs (ala the Texas highschool essay) and bombed out buildings with kids playing football in front of them or hospitals, etc. Do these things really reflect the individual in question or are they just more sensationalistic/visual than the possibly at many/most times mundane life (despite being in an ex-war torn country) the photographer set out to document? I actually liked what he was onto with the personal until he felt the need to stray into the socio-political and then it just became yet another “Balkans oh-so grim and I’d better shoot it in stark grainy b&w” essay.

    Something to think about….


  • Charles, keep in mind that two of the three essays about the ex Yugoslavia countries are from Italian photojournalists just/recently graduated, if you look through the portfolios you’ll see essays about similar, if not the same stories.

    I don’t know if the choice to show these essays so close one to the other was on purpose, I guess yes, but am not sure to understand the reason.

    Anyway, the Abruzzo earthquake, the Roma people and one of the Balkan countries seem to be on the ‘must’ list, probably easyly available, on the schoolprogram.

  • EVA,

    Yes, you are right. There is a photography school here in Seattle that specialize in classes in Cuba. At one point my peers and I joked how sick we were of seeing yet another photo of old American cars and crumbling pink buildings, etc etc. Before that it was Mexico and Day of the Dead. I guess it goes with the territory of being a student and workshops in this day and age.


  • An aside:

    You should all be checking out Sara Rosen (Miss Rosen)’s blog on a daily basis.

    Sara is the ex-publicist for powerHouse books and has an amazing passion for photography. She did right by me and my pH books and I’m sure the same for David. Her blog is primarily on the hip hop/style/pop culture tip but she covers many/most types of photography. She interviewed me a while back about my Istanbul photos.

    DAH you should ADD HER BLOG to your links section.


  • gordon.. have the utmost respect for you.. and empathy, understanding illness and working through it..
    photographically? irrelevant..
    as with you i’d hate to be judged purely on photo merits :o)

    shouting does not work :o)
    the reason i posted the quote from livebooks is that there is a career minded photographer who, without a shred of irony, is talking about how he photographed people suffering a great deal and had no avenue for his photos..
    just facebook and twitter..
    eventually he gained some effectiveness, for haiti and his personal goals, through a charity auction..
    the fact remains that he went to haiti.. took photos which have no outlet.. and who knows what the local outcome of this exercise was.. how did the subjects of his photo feel? what about their dignity and privacy? although we’ll not see the photos in the mainstrem, his subje4cts will be mindful of his presence.

    the balkans is similar.. every tom, dick and sebastian went down there to get a look because it was so convenient.. a local and european ‘other’ that was not too scary to get into, culture wise, with the bonus of some folio opportunities.. i understand bleasedale made his mistakes there, fresh from the banking world with a white scarf, along with others.

    charles.. i hear you.. and eva also..
    i guess the question in mind tonight is when does post-conflict journalism become part of the problem?
    i do think it is easier to portray misery.. the sorrowful other.. and there are some streams of work which need that kind of coverage.. yet 15 years after a war the benefit of salting old wounds, as i see some of the work here doing, are difficult to find… especially when those who live it are in the zone which could feel consequences..

    now.. n. ireland has a city with two names.. derry and londonderry..
    who has the right to revisit and mention that some think it has one name, whichever it be?
    when the riots are occurring all the time again, and so many there are trying hard to build bridges.. who has the right to break that work down .. for the sake of a folio? in order to show how well we are able to dodge and burn misery and conflict?

    is it doing the people who live there any good whatsoever?
    i wonder if we have reached a time where conflict photography, and recent conflict photography, has become the art school cliche.
    if you can’t produce peregrines ‘double-blind’, you can always revisit a 15 year old war and find some good images..
    what if it reopens wounds? i have photos.. a new room on my website.

    if i sound cynical i am being misread – i am trying to highlight cynicism in the photographic world.. from the fresh names too..

    it does annoy me..
    because i know these countries well, and for 5 or 6 years have focused my energy on bringing people together again.. as are the wishes of intelligent people living there..
    it annoys the hell out of me to see good work being undone.. with – granted – excellent photographic skill, yet limited social awareness.
    i know it annoys my friends as well..

    okay.. soapbox gone..
    everyone looks after something..
    i’ll look after my bag..

    humanist photography herve :o)
    grew out of the 2nd world war and the family of mans propaganda.. bring the world together.. unite to fight fighting.. broaden understanding of relative reality and fight fascism and division.
    it still strives, yet not in the cliches farmers fileds and juxtapositioning of farmers from the u.s. and farmers form africa..

    i think i have remained a humanist photographer through my music work, developing on my first instinctive influence… before life-influence catapulted my inspiration beyond other snappers.

    so still a nagging question..
    when does post conflict photography become part of the problem, and an obstacle to recovery..?
    because it surely does.

  • what i really think is that life works from this moment forwards..
    a photographers hangover need not be projected onto a contemporary people, when in many instances the spot-news journalism alone will take decades to overcome.

    anyone been to beirut on holiday recently?

  • as an aside it would be remiss of me to not qualify my statements..
    working n. ireland since 2004.. the balkan region since 2006.. with the red cross on landmine and reconstruction issues.. with party promoters on reuniting issues..

    most of my photo requests are for the latter.. thankfully.
    and very few of the photos i took for the former can be seen online.. they were shot for their own use rather than a room on my website..
    it would be to what end for me to do a story on landmines, when conversely i am capable of work which has a less retrospective, and perhaps more altruistic, outlook?

  • cognac.
    and comedy.
    are a way of life.

    or is it photography?

  • “Anyway, the Abruzzo earthquake, the Roma people and one of the Balkan countries seem to be on the ‘must’ list, probably easyly available, on the schoolprogram.”

    really eva.. you nailed it for me..
    the new homeless.. blah blah.

    the trouble is that it is encouraged with reward within the photo industry..
    photographers with the same folio rooms on websites.. getting high praise..?

    all comes down to the same thing..
    are you experienced?
    no necessarily stoned, or dead for 40 years, but beautiful..

  • the same photographers might complain that the photo industry does not want to see the ‘truths’ they need to show..
    yet the fact is – the more unique what you show is, the easier it is to sell..
    i’d hate to try and sell a roma piece..
    never had trouble selling what i fell into though.

  • david… brother…..but that the world of documentary photography may be nourishing itself on a steady diet of festivals and awards and lecture-ships are building chops and shops and what that constitutes, but is it really a lamentation that be floated over individual photographers, stories, essays…..i could give a rat’s arse (or pinky tail for that matter) what the photoworld does, i still stick to my ridiculously hermetic stories, trying to rhyme something out of the people and places and moments and stories that have come tumbling into my life…and i dont think i’m all that different from others….i think, in truth, we waste our time and talent lamenting the state of others, as we supposed, instead of pitching up the kettles of tea and honing our own work….

    funny, i’m almost done working on an essay on nothing more than sky and trees and old fishing houses and shadows on land….and dont give a f*&& about Perp or wpp or whatever and yet i’m still moved by the essays here….how do you reckon that…

    isn’t the lamentation really about you, my friend….you have enough strength and character and thoughtfulness NOT to climb on that soapbox, but to carve that island wicket’ with your box for light….

    ok, sending your little one with stub’d toe scruffy kiss from uncle b….

    so, here’ my own soapbox for you :)))

  • ahh.. that song. so many friendships end with that gap.. and many a night trying to fathom the lyrics.

    i hear you bob.. i am moved by the work recently shown, beyond my ability for writing, and it is that movement which pushes me when i see places and people i know generalized in such a familiar way..
    i know my own meanderings may be generalizations as well.. and meditations on my own desire for the way a world would be rather than a way it is.. of course.. tug of war :o)

    i mean to say – respect the work.. respect the photographers work.. i think it is accomplished and intelligently presents and edited.. beautiful, particularly the final piece.. powerful..

    it is the thought behind..

    i know your musings to be worth meditation, and beautifully crafted original sensations because it’s all you my friend..

    all the photo world chuff is a distraction.. that’s so true.
    time will tell and time is the leveler.

    still not so much of a gap between us i am sure. :o)

  • look forward to your latest mumblings for certian.

  • .. and i have my way and always did..
    who cares if the photo world like?
    the photo world never got me a job.. never paid my rent nor expenses..
    distractions.. distractions..
    happy distractions :o)

  • off topic but would appreciate any feedback:
    i’m looking at buying the canon pixma pro9000 printer. Has anybody used it? If so, do you like it?

    Thanks much.

  • printers aside :)
    i need to put it in perspective..
    the disillusionment with the photoworld comes middle career for me and is not prohibitive.. will always meander on regardless.
    WPP could have mean’t wicked presbyterian pastier for the first 10 years..
    i never knew what perp was until a year ago and who cares?

    any perceived limit my work has now because i am not in that circle may or may not matter in time..
    just enjoying the view and trying to hurt no one.

  • About James Natchwey:

    Hi everyone, I just wanted to share in this community a great experience last Friday.

    THE photographer, the ONE, was during his exhibition at the Public Library, here in Lyon, France

    At the beginning a conference was held in the University discussing about photography, and his previous works.
    It was my first time that I saw him, live, in front of a small crowd mostly of students.
    One thing stroke my mind…: The way he talks: with an incredible wisdom, discretion, every word was the right one, no more, no less. Like a Buddhist monk. Very shy person. A wisdom that you fall in love within… Just amazing. Is like he knows something that we, normal people, don’t…
    Maybe because he saw to much… to much horror, to much pain.

    He talks about his photography, and advice to young photographers: being engaged with the subjet, work hard, from the deep of your soul, with passion and respect to whom is in front of the camera.

    That’s all. I’m glad that James Natchwey was helping “burn” some time ago with his TB work. Priceless!


  • “He talks about his photography, and advice to young photographers: being engaged with the subjet, work hard, from the deep of your soul, with passion and respect to whom is in front of the camera. ”

    that’s it patricio..
    whatever the subject.. no need to point your camera at the same horror in an attempt to avert hatred.

  • David Bowen…

    No, shooting misery is as easy and as hard as shooting happiness…
    Each subject matter has inherent properties which in the hands of skilled photographers (and other creative people) can trigger a range of feelings to the viewers of their work.
    It’s as easy to make someone crack a smile with a photo of a kitten doing something silly as it is to send chills up the same someone’s spine with a photo of a starving child.

    Regarding your argument for all those nice people doing everything they can to bring people together and how much better human beings they are than all those photographers who focus to the dark side of this world… (Living myself in a torn apart country were a great many of such initiatives take place year round…)

    For one, many a time the organizers of such “get together” things make plenty of cash, either by taking advantage of EU and local government programs or by getting sponsorship from private and corporate entities, or even from such benevolent organizations as the usaid… so, not all organizers have the same intentions and integrity as your friends…
    For another, the whole premise behind such programs, that if we only knew each other and loved each other there would be no more wars, is, well, BS… armed conflicts don’t start because of bi-communal problems… that’s a myth… that IS propaganda… money and power (and rarely actual ideology) are the main reasons, and the more money and the more power at stake the more severe the resulting conflicts… when for instance a country is invaded by another for its natural resources, no amount of lovey-dovey sentiments can save the day…

    And to me, making one’s subject the blissful ignorant masses who dance until collapsing to something pretending to be music at hundreds of bits per second, high out of their minds, is no more admirable or contemptible by default to shooting people in miserable situations… it all depends on intentions on the part of the creator of the work at hand and on perceptions on the part of the audience.

    Now, back to work on my book about the remainders of yet another old conflict (36 years of occupation and counting)…


    And to be clear, I do actually like your work… the last part was for illustration purposes of how *your* approach to photography could be generalized in a non positive way…
    Oh, and I do dodge and burn a lot…

  • like he knows something that we, normal people, don’t…
    Patricio…. Very few of us here are normal! ;-)

  • with respect, (and who does not dodge and burn), the sectarian problems of n. ireland and the balkans recen, 15 year old, conflict have nothing to do with commerce outside of the sale of arms ..

    the bigots who perpetuate these conflicts do so on the back of social and religious, communal and even simply last-name differences.. no need to fall short of calling my perspective bullshit with BS.. fact is that it is not. historically many croatians changed their names for socio-political reasons and ended up slaughtered just by doing so… and where is the oil in ireland?
    bullshit? quite :o)

    organizers of the exit festival in serbia have been arrested and beaten up by the police for their intentions.. regardless of where they get their money.. and many of them draw meger wages from the NGO’s they work for.
    this years event in n. ireland was invaded by armed thieves with Kalashnikovs intending to steal the purse – which was barely break even.. and after firing into the ceiling got away with nothing.

    so with respect – your insinuations are a little insulting to say the least.

    thodoris, i have only spoken about places i know well.
    and only because i saw some of it represented here – even one with posters advertising a festival who’s organizers in serbia i know.. and i know their intentions.

    that’s a lot of times for me to say ‘I’ in a paragraph of course.. yet it needs to be pointed out that you are wrong about the reams of cash made by promoters within the scope of my knowledge.. i can give actual figures and more details through email if you’re interested..

    in short – you’d be surprised at the true intentions bought forward in the places.. of course i do not know your neck of the woods and await an opportunity to look.

    “And to me, making one’s subject the blissful ignorant masses who dance until collapsing to something pretending to be music at hundreds of bits per second, high out of their minds, is no more admirable or contemptible by default to shooting people in miserable situations… it all depends on intentions on the part of the creator of the work at hand and on perceptions on the part of the audience.”

    i agree with the last sentence of course.. yet you betray some antipathy which really undermines the stance you initially take.. if you lack so much understanding, from what pedestal do you preach?

    in the balkans and n. ireland i found one of the most politically aware and intelligently informed crowds anywhere – why ‘ignorant masses’ to you?

  • haha – and imants.. i have a wooden spoon named after you..
    seriously.. stirred a great curry tonight.

  • armed conflicts don’t start because of bi-communal problems… money and power (and rarely actual ideology) are the main reasons.

    Not wrong, of course, but, Thodoris, I think, you give too little credit how screwed up people can become.
    I think armed conflicts do happen because there are enough people to do the fighting, period.

  • you know it struck me that in the aftermath of the tsunami, sri lanka stopped fighting.

    wow.. there is something bigger than our woes.. a point of relation which relegates our political differences insignificant.
    we’d best stop.

    of cours it could have just been blocked supply routes.. even so..

    things become relatively normal again and what happens?

    building a social system which see’s borders as less than they are.. a society which understands hutu tutsi as a dutch invention.. education through any means.. can only be right.

    bring on the shite music, if needs be thodoris :o).

  • david bowen. Yes, lets give the nobel peace prize to all the Ketamine and MDMA ‘salespeople’, without whom the whole shebang would turn grey very quickly…..or back into Alcoanarchy. I know how you feel about this subject, and its achievments, but I have worked too many welfare tents at too many festivals, and seen too many(far too young) people utterly utterly pranged…and in the name of what????? ….

  • Peole make fun of the EC (“Europe”), but for me, if anything that came of it was that we are not resorting to war as a response to our “money and power” woes, Let Europe be, as messy as it can seem. When you compare, the USA are decades behind, here war is still the answer, and as befits a country that believes it is, the last thing wanted is to learn the lessons from it.

  • I have little faith in a chemical solution for the worlds ills. Works for individuals or smallish groups to a certain extent, but it is still, in my book, a mirage. Goethe knew this, but who reads goethe anymore?
    or as mr Waters put it.

    God wants peace
    God wants war
    God wants famine
    God wants chains stores
    God wants sedition
    God wants sex
    God wants freedom
    God wants semtex.

    …and seeing as we made, and remake, god in OUR image :)))

  • john – i guess we could have bumped into one another :o)
    no one promoting ethical music events whom i know are seeking pulitzer or nobel – whoop/BANG.
    who knows how to make dynamite?
    will leave disbelief to the disbelievers to be frank.. ibiza glastonbury glade and sonar are not where i was heading.. still.. you up for halloween in derry this year?

  • yesyes john.. we choose our side if needs be and nothing would exist without opposites :o)

    then i strongly suggest you come to derry of serbia in the next year or two and see.. no more need for me to expound..

    you see?
    how difficult it is to pass of joy and forward thinking progression to a photographic crowd?
    unification anyone?

    the horror..
    the horror..
    fogged up my lens at one time as well.

  • david. Derry sounds good…Rio is pissing with rain at the moment and all the best laid plans of mice and men are going tits up like dominoes. You gotta laugh though :)

  • john – you’ll love it.

    my final point –
    there are cliches and there are cliched places in which to practice the cliches..

    were it that the photo world respected and acknowledged all the array of opposites..
    yet i watch the news for light relief.

    2001 ‘war photographer’ came out and people still seek out the detritus of war in the balkans..
    missing the contemporary point completely..
    photographing beautifully with eyes shut.

  • Self portrait?….nah some bloke in Rio laughing

  • nothing like a bit of stock photo art??……… and the photographer gets nothing

  • That’s the problem cry for the photographers rights of pay but………..

  • is it?
    i never cried for use without profit..

    nor an insult..

  • A bit on the over-sensitive side again Mr Bowen…….. get over it……….. lamenting the could be, could’ve been was, past is a a waste The younger brigade of photographers are strutting their stuff and shoving the generations above them out of the way ……….. live with it or change your perspectives

  • Carsten,

    have never used Canon printers, but have seen good results from them. On the other hand, I only know one pro photographer who does not use an Epson.

  • DAVID seems to be making a good point by pointing out how, particularly music festivals, can create the opportunity to bring people, and young people together from different ethnic and cultural groups, creating a familiarity between them. By photographing these festivals helps to promote them.

  • Gordon,

    Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Main reason I am considering the Canon printer is because I can get a pretty good deal on one right now, otherwise I’d probably go for Epson.

  • Carsten

    The up front cost of the printer is almost insignificant compared the what your ink and paper costs will ultimately be. You will spend a lot of time and money with the printer you choose, so don’t let a “good deal” get in the way of a good decision.

    Have fun!

  • Carsten, just had a look online, the Canon Pro 9000 uses dye inks. NIX, Get a printer that uses pigment inks!

  • Herve

    “Not wrong, of course, but, Thodoris, I think, you give too little credit how screwed up people can become.
    I think armed conflicts do happen because there are enough people to do the fighting, period.”

    I do indeed subscribe to that as well…
    But the fact remains that while the societies we live in and the rules we have come up with (ethical, judicial, etc) still stand, we as individuals try (if for nothing else, out of fear of punishment) to keep our demons at bay… while when societies and their rules collapse (as is the case in times of war) mob mentality and no real fear of prosecution lead to the unleash of those demons and we become as screwed up as we could possibly get…

  • David Bowen…

    Hey man… I did in fact oversimplified things a bit, but it was only in response to your posts… didn’t climb up the pedestal to preach… only held up a mirror…

    And for what it’s worth I don’t completely and utterly disagree with what you’re saying… if you had stopped somewhere near “the positive side of live should be promoted in contemporary photography at least as much as the negative one”, I wouldn’t have jumped at you… but you were dismissive towards (at least part of) *my* approach in photography that I felt compelled to respond…

    In any case, hopefully in about a month I’ll be back home (Nicosia) with a decent internet connection and some free time… if you wish we could have a skype chat then…

    Now, back to work…

  • ERICA…

    yes, Burn 01 will be available (i hope) at the loft presentation on friday the 24th…sorry you cannot be here…


    good description of James, and if you come to our loft presentation , you can sit down and talk to him….in reality he is not quite the monk you describe (nobody is), but he certainly has “economy” of speaking down to a science….if you check the archives here, you will see Jim has been featured several times..


    i had no idea Sarah had a blog…will link it of course…yes, she is the one who got Living Proof going


    yes, the natural order of things…

  • Carsten, what is your purpose for buying a printer? Archival prints? Immediate Effect? Color accuracy? Without that information, it is impossible to offer advice.

    Regarding grim war photos, I think I mentioned the other day that I was trying out a new pocket camera; happened to come across some war-related photos, though I suppose they’re not so grim without the proper context.

  • shoving the generations above them out of the way

    Shove out of the way?
    Imants, a few thoughts If I may:

    IMO, from everything I hear and seem to understand about the PJ/docu profession, the last generation is more looked upon, sought out, highly admired, than shoved out. The many international gatherings do illustrate this, nobody is shoved out, and the young/new are most proud to be exhibited along their elder brothers, without whom sponsorship of the events, would be a much harder sell.

    Just here, on BURN, the proof is made that someone from the generation above does count, and is totally instrumental in the newer generation to have access to show their work. The opposite of shoved out. There is no such public punks vs rock dinosaurs, or impressionists vs romantics (just 2 very distinct examples ) history or tension, as happened in so many arts or mediums.

    Likewise, it takes a long time for a photographer to get recognized for his body of work a style/stance instrumental to have defined what his/her generation has brought to the medium. I would say that happens way after, in general, he/she was a young photographer, and usually while the younger generation has been at it already for quite some time.

  • Talking about horror, suffering, looking into one’s darkness and the vanquished (what happened to “now!”, Bob?), following Imants earlier and fair remontrance that it is not enoughe to talk here, time for a photo, yesterday in Chinatown:

  • herve: :))

    the Now is all we have, the moments of the breath….the now always teaches u about the vanguished: one is 30 minutes of sitting in meditation if not the reminder that everything disappears…and then returns…and then disappears and then returns….the rise and the fall….there’s nothing i have ever written at burn, or over the last 2 days that contradicts that :))))…

    the vanquished and the risen :))

    but as any good sit reminds you, the space that makes up the breath is composed of all those things before….not back, not forward, but now, indeed….by the way, no better film recently captures that this this magnificent film, which just opened here….one you should definitely see :)))

    and by the way, i LOVE your jumping red princesses :)))

    here’s the flick…a must

    this what i tried to write about both under the new essay and to david about all this talk about ‘misery’.etc…

    misery and joy are one and the same part of our lives….not one better…just both together…

  • Gordon, good points. In which way are pigment inks superior?
    mw – main purpose would be for archival quality fine art prints

  • As per usual, I’ve got me lots more reading to do but David Bowen, dude you are on fire right now. The banter between you and Bob a little ways back is delightful. Love it. Speaks to me a whole heck of a lot as someone who experienced burnout from the news beat years and years ago. And I’m as cynical as the best of ’em. But I just got so sick and tired of the usual bullshit “news” agenda. I aspired to a quality news photo career but no matter what I did I kept finding myself stuck in a tabloid world. So I got the fuck out for a while. Went to ICP. Discovered humour. And Children. Both threw my photographic perspective into a tailspin which I’m still trying to get to grips with. And now video is really messing with my head.

    But I’m entirely sympathetic to David’s writings just now. They are in-line with my own feelings, I’ve subsequently discovered. In fact, his thoughts on WPP and Perp etc are how I sometimes have felt about Burn and other such photographic destinations. But that has now changed. I suddenly feel like Burn is so very relevant, what with some of the brilliant writing that takes place here. Some very serious thinking. And I should avail of this much more regularly. Shame on me for being such an infrequent visitor. I will make time for reading here. Sometimes I feel really isolated in this business and that’s entirely my own doing. That old burnout fear still lingers some, I guess. Anyone else feel like that? I think the writing here at burn is so often better than the photography.

    There’s something inside me trying to get out, photographically. But I have yet to figure out what it is. Reading David’s words has stirred it some. Damn! Fired up now. My motivations are all over the place for doing what I do and it needs a little taming. A little management. Perhaps I need to get a little drunk. Haven’t done that in at least a decade.

    David, you up for getting a little pissed? We should do it sometime.

    I do know that whatever I do, in whatever form it takes, it’ll be about goodness. The stuff of life. Perhaps childhood. Curiosity. Play. Imaginings. It’ll be counter to sadness, cynicism, negativity, moroseness. I’ll get there. Perhaps reading here will help.

    I shall go away for a weekend. By myself. Away from the kids and the chaos. The noise and the “imminentness”. I will bring my laptop and just read the hell out of Burn. And perhaps I shall write to myself.

    But when?


  • Carsten, you should check out Willhelm Imaging Research, the acknowledged experts on print permanence.

    If you are interested in making achival prints, pigment inks are superior simply because they last longer..a lot longer in some cases.

    Epson, Canon, and HP all make printers that use pigmented ink sets. Epson is far and away the most popular. The Epson 3880 will make spectacular prints up to 17″ wide. It costs about $1200 in the US I believe, way cheaper than setting up a good wet darkroom. If that is beyond your budget, the R1900 and 2880 printers, which print up to 13″ wide, start about $500. If you do any amount of printing, the 3880 uses much larger and more economical ink cartridges which will offset the higher initial cost, plus allow you to do larger prints. It also carries both matte and glossy black inks, which allow you to print on a very wide variety of substrates, including many beautiful fine art papers and canvas.

    If you are new to digital printing, welcome to the evil and mysterious world of calibration and colour profiles.

    Have fun!

  • DAH: Thanks you to the reply! Glad that Natchwey will be with you and the whole crew at the loft. Particulary I can’t. I live in the other side of the the “pond”… maybe, next time.

  • ALL

    40 years ago, HE passed away :-(
    Jimmy H., WoodStock 69:

  • Herve it is that choice do you want to pull the strings or be pulled by them

  • ………there are those who respectfully are willing to pay their dues and those who for the life of them can’t see the point and just get on with it

  • … but perhaps not necessarily mutually exclusive …

  • Gordon/Carsten,

    Take a look at http:/
    I buy all of my high end paper from them.
    Their Micro Ceramic paper is top shelf and
    their profiles are really good.

    Lots of great info on paper, ink and printers.
    I just adore their paper and the prices on
    consumables are righteous.


    you both speak the truth….


    exactly….no conflict in any case

  • gordon & pomara: thanks! both Willhelm Imaging Research and are great resources. gordon – yeah, color calibration is my next challenge :)

  • DAH, I have had a change of plans. I will not be coming after all. Next time. Know they will all have a fabulous piece at the end of this week–your students always do.


  • Geez Panos; you beat me to it! It looks like the dogs bollocks to me, perfect. The camera I’d sell the back up D200 for….

  • Ross,I’m drooling…
    Plus shoots HD video and u can use manual settings(F2)-(bokeh)

  • Panos; if it lives up to the specs then the D200 is gone. Just the nice small cam I’ve been wanting for this year’s work!

  • Panos, wow, I can’t wait to get a look at one. It almost sounds too good to be true.

  • now that’s one sexy camera…

  • panos, dear brother. i miss your spins and the rest of the nite shift..
    you know who you all are.. this is for you.

  • Gracie; I’ve been pretty busy so have been absent from the night shift!

    I went to a talk at the local museum yesterday. Two reknown artists were giving a talk on the “artist’s life” and about finding your own voice in your art. It was a very ispirational talk and came at a great time for me; it was one of those times when I was doubting whether I had done the right thing re; reducing mag work to follow project work etc.

    Anyway; long story short; I talked to one of the artists for a short while afterwards and this morning sent him a thank you email for taking the time to talk. This morning he replied with a very inspirational email, which in some ways replicates what David has said. So I thought I’d re-post it here so you all may receive some benefit from the thoughts. What good is inspiration if you can’t pass it on?

    ” Hi Ross ,

    That is a very encouraging email. IT’S HARD TO TELL WHETHER THE THINGS SAID ON SUCH OCCASIONS HAVE ANY EFFECT OR IMPRESSION. ( accidental capitals, sorry.) I can only wish you the very best as you go about pursuing your passion. I’m quite sure good will come of your resolve. The shape of the outcome may not be what you expect going into it; but once you get your nose to the scent and have a dedicated time period devoted to following the trail, i’m sure your efforts will bear fruit and move you into a space that you can push forward from.

    Speaking from transitional episodes within my career I would like to offer a tip. On such undertakings you may find that your reward is in the form of stepping stones rather than as singular profound leaps. By this I mean allow yourself less than satisfying results that were the result of proceeding into a zone of uncertainty, but accompanied by integrity of purpose, then use that result to step further forward. Keats referred to this as negative capability, i.e. moving creatively towards the thing you don’t yet understand. This blind passage forward contrasts with the demand for certainty of result prior to action.. It sounds to me that your pledge to yourself is an assurance that you can tolerate the fear of the threshold and are in for an exciting, (and challenging, time ahead.) I wish you vision, judgement courage and opportunity. That given, the results will be assured and your path set. Good luck in your brave acknowledgent of a calling. Regards, John”

    I hope someone finds it helpful, because it came at a good time for me.

    Cheers :-)

  • hi rossy.

    i too have about the same reasons to be absent.. did want to say hi-ho to what said above about bowen being burntout (BBB).

    just this recently i went on an expedition… to find myself.

    thanks for passing the email along.. negative capability…i think i like that. A LOT!

    writing you nice thoughts on a fogged up window… good night rossy.

  • a civilian-mass audience

    I am here too…

    I am always here…I am the civilian…the silent reader…the MASS AUDIENCE…

    I am still reading the comments and enjoying the essays…my wi-fi connection not reliable
    due to construction work near your Greek house…BUT it will be OK…I am an optimist…:)))

    and to all my BURNIANS…NO,NO,NO…I didin’t touch BOUBOULINA…No,I keep my promises…
    She has been eaten by a fox…yeap, a fox…Circle Of Life…

    I LOVE YOU ALLLL…keep it up…keep shooting…good luck to all who are attending MR.HARVEY’S
    journey of Vision and to the rest of YOU…Circle of LIFE is in your agenda…

    P.S Where is my oregano…night shifters:)))

  • imants banana
    placing a true statement which is also an irrelevant reply to most of what i was saying seems a facile victory, yet a ‘dig’ well in tune with your style.

    age has very little to do with the point i was trying to make and of course there is another alternative to the rather embittered conclusions you suggest – which is to encourage and nurture young photographers.. something i’m proud to have always done.

    really – getoveryourself.. sensitive people whine about scattered insults.. i believe, since the very first day you posted misreading me, i have always stood still through yours.

    skype would be great.. and i do respct what you are doing.. the book you have crafted is going to be a good read for certain and i have a personal interest in learning more about your work \ part of the world.

    i need to be in london at some point before the end of the year and would be good to have a couple of beers again.
    in truth the ‘photo industry’ has always been alien to me.. it’s been an industry i just did not look into beyond 18 or 19 years old.. and that has not been prohibitive.. in fact quite the opposite, in so far that if i had looked too closely my work would be completely diffeent.. perhaps in subject or motivation.
    i spent my formative years pouring over photo book in the library and then put all the books down for more than 10 years and shot.. and drank.. and followed my heart.

    new cameras, photographers, events and exhibitions really passed me by.
    now.. since digging into the industry and ‘comming home’ i’m begining to believe that my life away from home was one right way of doing it.. probably where i am returning to.
    creating is so much more satisfying, and limited funds means something must give. a week shootin or a week in perp?

  • skypename bophoto thodoris

  • bob

    duality of course.. my feeling is that of all the misery to come from war there has to be a time when photographers look above and beyond..
    now and forward is all nd everything :ø)

    it was good to read that the last esseyist will be returning and loking more closely at the state of things from a different perspective.

    look forward to that.

  • CIVI,
    Bouboulina’s fate tells me that once the time has come, there is no way around it.
    Everything has its time.


    thanks for sharing this motivational letter. It helps me, too.

  • Gracie:))))))
    Big hug…
    I’m gonna resume the Wrap up Show .. Or Late Night show…
    I’m keeping myself of the Air for a while to recharge batteries..
    and trying to come up with better ideas.. Plus I’m staying away from drugs and alcohol lately
    so my inspiration is hard to come easy.. Laughing..
    I know, I know not very professional ..
    Biggest hug

  • Curious to see the outcome of this, hope they’ll show the pictures:

    Civi, see, Boubouwhatshername was better off following her sisters fate..

    Bowen burnout? Doesn’t strike me like that, at all..

  • Wait.. hold on.. just a sec.. grabbing an umbrella.. ok, ready for the floods from north.. ;)

  • Has anyone heard about this?
    Former Photo editor of Time – Jay Colton died during a workshop

  • I’m keeping myself of the Air..

    Of the air? Sounds like a good place to be.

    Plus I’m staying away from drugs and alcohol lately
    so my inspiration is hard to come easy.

    Sucks how that works, eh?

    Regarding David Bowen’s polemic on positive photography, I’d like to agree but I really find it little different than focusing on negativity, suffering, or pain. Good intentions have a way of going awry. Generally, I prefer work that shows things as they actually are as opposed to how someone would like them to be or how someone thinks they would benefit humanity. Reality is always complex. The good the bad the ugly the beautiful the sensational the mundane the yin the yang the holy the profane are all mixed up just about anywhere we choose to gaze.

    Carsten, sounds like others have pointed you in a good direction so unless you want to contact me offline for advice, I probably won’t go and do a lot of research on the subject right now. I have, however, been researching hi-end Epsons at work and would suggest you consider them if it is at all possible. The 7900 (or 9900 for ultra-wide) with the built in spectrophotometer is the consensus best thing out there right now. Great archival characteristics, drop dead beautiful prints, the best color accuracy you can hope for. Not cheap, but less expensive than a pro camera and lens.

  • michael..
    we are all trying to show how things appear to ourselves.. what i snap is certainly happening and real.. how it actually is through my eyes.
    people in the region are neither constantly dancing in joyous reunion nor standing in solitary corners pondering loss.. somewhere in between.. while getting on with life and trying to think forward perhaps.

    suns out.

  • EVA:

    3 years ago, marina, dima and i had an exhibition together….i organized it, marina named it: ‘one black cubed’…3 years ago…each of us exhibited 4 b/w images…dima chose his own pictures, mostly from when he was 7-9 years ago….got a big review/great review by leading critic here in canada….but since we’re no ones, didn’t draw any major headlines, though it was the first parent/child exhibition of photogrpahy in a toronto gallery, ever….i’ll have to tease alec about this when i see him in 3 weeks….wish i had the pics at hand from the exhibition…easily, my favorite exhibition i’ve ever been a part of, better than any of my solo’s….

    here is the exhibition card/invite/pr thingie…:


  • Yes David, I don’t think we’re far off, if off at all, on this. I certainly respect your thought and how you back it up with action. Semantics, as we all know, are difficult in the quick typing on-line comment world.

  • But regarding, “we are all trying to show how things appear to ourselves..,” I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Some of us are trying to get beyond that. Tilting at windmills, you say? Perhaps.


    I have an HPZ3200 44″ printer and am very happy with it. Also dirt cheap compared to the Epsons. Yes, like all printers it can be finicky at times but doesn’t clog like the Epsons. Also has built in means of profiling. B&W is superb (only uses the black inks). Not so great for sheet feeding. Good luck!


  • Stress Rio style.
    First one is me right before I wanted to bang my head(or preferably someone elses) against a wall.
    Still, laughing now….sort of.
    Banned from the event we are here to cover…now you REALLY gotta laugh.

  • mw & charles: thank you both! I’ve got plenty of food for thought now. decisions, decisions…

  • John?? what did you do??

    Bob, I bet that it was your favourite exhibit ever!

  • Still trying to get a handle on video. Here’s my most recent effort, The Mayor’s Thames festival;


  • You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Without music, life would be a mistake.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • The doer alone learneth.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    The essence of all beautiful art, all great art, is gratitude.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • DAH – Did you receive the copies of Uiñiq and Gift of the Whale that I sent to the Magnum address?

  • Success has always been a great liar..

    Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Fear is the mother of morality

    Art is the proper task of life.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Panos most of us have feared the wrath of our mothers at some time in our lives

  • Nietzche is peachy but Descartes is the art, or is that Sartre?

  • “The Future belongs to color photography.”

    Adolph Hitler (via Life via dvafoto)

  • ha..not even Hitler could foresee the digital revolution..;0

  • Imants; “Panos most of us have feared the wrath of our mothers at some time in our lives” No matter how old you are you know your mum still has the ability to kick your arse; even if only verbally…

    Gracie/Thomas; I’m pleased the email was beneficial for you. I was a bit down in the mouth that day, and it was a real tonic.

    Cheers :-)

  • the now always teaches u about the vanquished

    Not in the sense you used vanquished earlier (the ones who came before us, if I recall). On the other hand, living in the now, in the Buddhist sense, means you do vanquish craving, but you do the vanquishing, and it’s over false thoughts, selves and illusions. It’s a realization that is free of anything, anyone that came before, and unconcerned with what has not yet arisen.

  • Sorry, Forgot to point I was quoting and replying to, Bob…

  • herve, my friend…

    it MOST CERTAINLY does..both the vanished AND THE VANQUISHED….there are specific meditations and mettas for that….living in the moment doesn’t mean you vanquish craving, it means you focus on the now and see craving for what it is/does: lead to suffering…i fear we’re discussing 2 very different things with regard to concentration on the now, which i imagine was your focus, since you know my relationship to buddhism and the practice of meditation…by the way, there are no false thoughts or false selves, there is only transformation, the rise and fall…illusion, yes, comes from our need of craving and attachment, but it doesn’t mean they’re false, quite the contrary they’re real and part of us…and that realization does not mean we’re free of anything or especially free of anyone that came before….(sounds to me like an unpracticed familiarity with interpreted misunderstandinds)….and by the way, all arises and disappears…

    we are part of all, and that includes what came before, just as my inhalation is part of your exhalation…a fundamental understanding…

    but this isn’t the place for discussions on suttas….

    we are from what we have come….

    a common misunderstanding by many (especially by those who don’t sit or study), that it means being free of everything and unconcerned with the world or the past…far from that…

    meditating does NOT mean denying the world (both prior and now), but embracing the world and living in it,of it, with it, but trying to relinquish attachment to it…that’s a profound difference….of which, it’ll take me a lifetime to get right, if ever at all…

    and in the end, i just do not understand some of the criticism here…

    ok…enough for a while :)))….jumping red princesses to write about :))


  • Eva: :))

    by far….my favorite, the most beautiful, the best reviewed, the most sales…but most importantly, the one when i was most proud to be a part of something photographic….it’s been downhill since, as my son has put away his camera….onto greener fields :)))…

    if i could find the pics from the opening i would post them….

    anyway….running, busy week…

  • John – I would say both one and two. One – before you banged your head. Two, afterward.

    As long as I was there, I took a look at a huge part of the Brett Walker photostream – very powerful – especially the two black cat images. The tabby cat image was pretty good, too, but that did not reach so deep as did the black cat images – especially the first black cat image. That one was absolutely superb. A masterpiece. I can’t praise it enough, so I won’t try.

    Bob – Looked at the program – neat – especially if that was your son’s image on the cover. There were a couple of broken image links on the page, so I don’t know what I missed.

    I hope you find the pictures and post them.

  • Panos. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. :-))))))

  • When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.

    Whenever I climb I am followed by a dog called ‘Ego’.

    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • What? You seek something? You wish to multiply yourself tenfold, a hundredfold? You seek followers? Seek zeros!
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.

    There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness.

    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • The future influences the present just as much as the past.

    The doer alone learneth.

    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • It is always consoling to think of suicide: in that way one gets through many a bad night.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  • a civilian-mass audience

    “Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared.”

    I am the happiest civilian…and I want to share my happiness…
    I LOVE YOU BURNIANS…you are small flames spread all over the Universe…
    BURN…and don’t forget to back up…your vision.

    P.S I found my oregano…VIVA BURNIANS…!!!

  • a civilian-mass audience

    and from our friend JOHNY VINK…!
    (he said that is better to copy and paste…)

    … you are so many…birthdays,books, exhibitions,workshops…
    BUT I am MASS…I will find the way
    when there is vision
    there is a way

    P.S…KATIEEE FONSECA …we need update…and to the rest of my BURNIANS…
    I will be back calling names…



    i am sure your magazine is here…i am in new york, but i have not been to the office this week…i will either go in the next couple of days or have someone from magnum who is coming to our event on friday evening kindly bring me my mail…again, thanks

  • “…take a few small risks, to step out into the unknown and try to make a real difference to your life. This isn’t the time to hang onto security or the status quo. If you’ve been holding yourself back because of uncertainty, timidity, lethargy or even hopelessness, now is the right time to take a leap forward. Be bold!…”


  • PANOS…


    “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn’t do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”


  • or

    “take a walk on the wild side”

    Lou Reed

  • or ¨go strange yourself¨

    – Mr. Reason.


    yes, and Lou Reed is a pretty decent photographer…and musician…

    all ok, Rio? you working with Beto? we are going to be showing my Rio work to my workshop class on thursday…hope all is well..let me know if i can help

  • Yeah Beto’s on board. Thanks for the intro.
    Lots of hassles, but all production side related. Permissions revoked etc.. working around it, lots of interesting shoots being set up. No time for any stills yet, but gonna try and make some time later in the week. For now its all boxing clubs, football clubs, favelas, snooker halls and zoos.


    cool..sounds like the norm…tell Beto i will be back mid-november…will call him soon of course…but anyway, a big hello please…and oh yes, tell him the tv show on us is coming up soon on Natgeo Channel

  • “It’s called riding the edge. So lean back, let your hair down and feel the winds of change caress your skin.” Lee Guthrie

  • David, you are so right. I don’t want to add to my regrets and so a handful of filmmakers and I are about to found a company, Ground Floor Films. It’ll be something of a co-operative, a shared space to gather, discuss, project, brainstorm and host workshops on a range of subjects within film, primarily documentary film.

    I’ve just been to the space and it’s terrific. But we still have various issues to sort out. The legalities for starters. The financing.

    Shortly I will transition to being an amateur photographer and professional filmmaker (and company director). All terrifying. But we have to do it or we’ll always regret not trying. I think, certainly hope, that we will be greater, creatively and administratively, than the some of our parts.

    In my own time I can return to serious street photography.

    Finally, however, I will continue to make lots of photographs in my film work as I see video as a vehicle to showcase strong, arresting photography.

    Watch this space. We’ve been quiet about this but soon we will be making plenty of noise.

  • I owned myself once, but I brought myself back to Walmart and got a refund. The damn thing wouldnt work properly. No more impulse buying for me!

  • and Lou Reed is a pretty decent photographer…and musician…

    Now here’s another old fart you can’t shove out too… :-)))

  • Absolutely true:

    “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn’t do than by the ones you did…”

    Now that I am 60, I find I have many regrets – none, really, for the things that I did do, including all those things they taught me at church that I would regret for eternity if I did them but did them anyway. There are a few things on that “regret for eternity” list that I did not do and these are the things that I most regret not doing. Except for murder. I think they were right about that one. I don’t regret not murdering anyone.

    Thanks, David. I hope you like what you see. I suspect you might think I should have edited Uiñiq a little more tightly.

    Now – to any who might wish to see how the sound of the bowhead whale comes through in the beat of the Eskimo drum, please drop by my blogpost today:

  • I’ve never seen Lou Reed’s photos, so I have to belive he is a pretty decent photographer :)

    But Wim Wenders is good photographer.
    At last I like his photography a lot.

  • I have seen a book he made called “New York” (what else?), Marcin. I am sorry to say I can’t remember one picture from it, it was basically a painterly, poetic rendition, New York as inner landscape inspired by its outer shell and Lou reed’s own subjectivity. Nothing like street photography, quite contrary to it, actually. All color, I think.

  • I owned myself once, but I brought myself back to Walmart and got a refund. The damn thing wouldnt work properly. No more impulse buying for me!

    voted: best comment of the year!

  • Panos –

    I once bought a fish at Wal-Mart. An oscar, a beautiful, tiny little thing that grew up to be huge – at least for the confines of a 90 gallon tank. He was a good fish and quite intelligent. I loved him. He died prematurely at the age of about six or seven years – I think because he swallowed a stone from off my aquarium floor.

    He acted like he had swallowed a rock. I could have cut him open to find out. Indeed, I have cut open a good number of fish – but I could not cut him open.

    He was my friend, you see.

    So I buried him in the back yard. Wild and thorny roses now grow over his grave.

    These are the not the big thorns that you in lower latitudes associate with roses, but tiny thorns, their diameter similar to that of thick hair. But they are exceedingly sharp and numerous.

    You do not want to get them in your skin.

    As for the roses themselves, once their leaves die they leave behind hips that are rich in Vitamin C.

    That’s why we call them, “oranges of the north.”

    Now there’s some wisdom for you.

  • Frostfrog, love the photos of the whale and the drum stretching. Didn’t read the comments just enjoyed the photos–so may have made some of the story up.

    I too will be sixty this year–in fact, on the 29th. Celebrating by attending a concert of Citizen Cope with three friends I’ve known for decades, two since their birth.


  • a civilian-mass audience



  • a civilian-mass audience

    FROSTFROG…thank you …Again

    and of course AKAKY…is THE AKAKY…

    P.S I have to go…I am getting ready for LEE’S birthday…
    I will be back calling names…

  • a civilian-mass audience

    BUY BURN 01…
    to all my civilians …all over the Universe…

    BURN 01…What Not To Buy !!!

  • Pearls that swim the rift of me
    Long and weary my road has been
    I was lost in the cities
    Alone in the hills
    No sorrow I feel
    For anything I feel yea

    I am not your rolling wheels
    I am a highway
    I am not your carpet ride
    I am the sky

    Friends and liars
    Don’t wait for me
    Cause I’ll get on
    All by myself
    Put millions of miles
    Under my heels
    And still too close to you
    I feel

    I am not your rolling wheels
    I am the highway
    I am not your carpet ride
    I am the sky
    I am not your blowing wind
    I am the sky here
    I am not your automn moon
    I am the night
    The night

    I am not your rolling wheels
    I am the highway
    I am not your carpet rag
    I am the sky
    I am not your blowing wind
    I am the lightining
    I am not your automon
    I am the night

    (my buddies from Huntington Park)

    (take 110freeway south from downtown, exit Florence make left and drive towards Alameda..ok..then you will witness and understand…what Slayer is all about…hint:dont forget your bulletproof vest)

  • a civilian-mass audience

    nightshifters…wake up…
    BURN 01 is in the town…

    and to the rest of the world…lunch time…

    P.S mousaka is served…what not to BURN…
    goodnight and good afternoon…wherever you are…

  • I think he thinks too much. His definition of pornography would apply to a picture of a bowl of fruit. And he claims it can’t be used as a metaphor, yet I just did, with his definition no less. So next time you watch pornography, think bowl of fruit. Though you might not want to try vice versa, at least not in public.

  • I would not touch it with a 10ft pole, Panos, at least until I hear what Jenny Lynn Walker has to say about it! Life is dangerous enough like that….. ;-)

  • laughing,,,..geez..just woke up..u guys should see my mailbox after i posted that above link….:(

  • Civi: thanks…

    Yes you have to copy and paste (x the ‘!’). PC’s don’t like ‘!’…!

  • a civilian-mass audience

    No problem MR.VINK…how can I forget…


    HERVE…I missed you in France…
    sooner or later, mate…sooner or later

    BURNIANS…BURN the Universe!!!

  • ” I don’t know just where I’m going
    But I’m gonna try for the kingdom, if I can ”

    Lou Reed

  • Lou , took a divorce from his First WIFE long time ago….thank god…

    “Heroin, be the death of me
    Heroin, it’s my wife and it’s my life ”
    Lou Reed

    although he was really committed…he had to start a new…then he became a photographer..
    David said he is decent … to me sounds like (good, but not good enough)…but who cares…i can listen to Velvet Underground all day..

  • Cool stuff, Imants (Panos, no video reposting, check RT archives!!!). And now, make space for the surfin’ bird:

  • I wonder if that Harvey fellow survived the hurricane…………..

  • a civilian-mass audience

    and you know…what happens…when the hurricane meets the volcano…



    BEST GUITAR PLAYER OF ALL TIMES (for me at least)

  • get inspired….(above)…i know, i’ll take some time to sink in…
    welcome to VENICE BEACH….

  • PANOS: Wow, hard to see John Frusciante that way… I’d rather prefer this John at 2006.
    He has much more stamina and hapiness :-)

    Best guitar player?… Uhmm, what about this guy ->

    I think he lives nearby Venice

    Transatlantics cheers from France, Patricio

  • Love those pictures, thanks for sharing.

  • Thank you, Akaky… that’s just what I needed right now :-)

    The story goes that Wes developed his style by practicing at night unplugged and strumming with his thumb so that he wouldn’t wake anyone. Tone so thick you could cut it…

  • Thanks Akaky, there are many more of Wes there I want to watch (and download) too. Youtube is a superb treasure trove (well, jazz here)!

  • Dear Burnians,

    I hope you are all well. I’m going to be in Washington DC from Oct 3rd through 7th and was hoping to catch up with a few people whilst there. I know fellow Burnians Brendan Hoffman and Gina Martin are there, so I will be meeting up with them. If anyone would be interested in mtg for drinks/dinner, please fire me an email.

    If you want to see what I’ve been up to recently, you can check out these links:’s-disappearing-wetlands

    Hope to see some of you soon!


  • SEAN…

    always proud of your progress and i see you continue to move forward….i will be in D.C. doing some editing while you are there, so perhaps we can make time for a cold beer…

    cheers, david

  • Hey Sean, interesting stuff. I used to study water issues, albeit in places where a lot less was available, and found that understanding how water works — who controls it, who uses it, how people use it and how much they pay for it, if/how it’s regulated, etc. — opens up a new and deeper view into how the world works. If you follow the water, it will take you to some fascinating places; visually, as well as intellectually. There’s a little hidden valley in Sonora I’ll never forget. Perfect climate, 19th century like beautiful with rolling hills and small farms, culturally interesting on several levels (including petroglyphs which is always a bonus) and an aquifer thoroughly infused with human shit and tap water that would kill you if you drank it. The fruit and vegetables irrigated with that water were iffy as well. The family I got to know there got displaced from farming. Some became illegal immigrants to the U.S., others became hot dog vendors in nearby towns. So many connections flowed out from one little river.

    Anyway, I look forward to seeing more of your work on this issue. The info about the old irrigation system in Sichuan was particularly interesting.

  • ROSS,

    Thank you! I love Ry Cooder, too! The “Paris, Texas” and “Southern Comfort” soundtracks were my first introductions to slide guitar as a young one.

    If you haven’t yet, check out his collaboration with Cuban guitarist Manuel Galban. IIRC, the guitar on that album is all honest-to-God real big room reverb :-)

  • i am just getting into the office…bad boy….third coffee and fourth aspirin….the airport is still a little fogged in and i cannot figure where everyone is posting and why now back to this old dialogue post? anyway, who cares? i will have a new essay for monday morning…just have to tweak out a few things first….

    for those of you who have helped create the landslide that is BURN 01, our heartfelt thanks….i mean anyone can see the circle i think….so this is all good for all of us…i do hope you feel the same…

    cheers, hugs, david

  • a civilian-mass audience

    I see the circle…I think…:)))

    Thank you all…and I mean a lllllll of YOU


    good reportage from the workshop….you behaved yourself for the two days you were with us as per promised…i would have been pleased if you had been there for all five as you know, but at least you got a taste….i am sure you can imagine that every class is a bit different…the tone of the class and even my teaching style varies with the dynamic and demographic of the class..customized, limited edition..this was a particularly bonded group or maybe i think that every time…yes, think so…many of my former students were there as well..a nice feeling i must say, and i always recommend to every young photographer who is on the move forward to start paying back immediately and long before you are “successful” …do it…works for everyone….

    cheers, david

  • Cool, David, you’re knocked out on aspirine, and me on morphine.. first time ever.. wanted to meet up with Diego tomorrow morning, but my back had a different plan.. must reschedule my Burn 01 pick up in Venice.. cheers.. dizzy..

  • SEAN G.

    Congratulations on your ongoing series on the problems of China’s wetlands. It looks like you have been especially busy over the last couple of months, covering a lot of ground. The combination of informative text and documentary photos provides just the right amount of information for the non-specialist or university undergraduate to make them aware of the basic problems and pique further curiosity. The work you have been doing for the Pulitzer Center is an excellent example of how someone who has a litle bit of specialist knowledge and background and is also a serious photojournalist can make a real difference in public awareness. I hope you continue on this path and look forward to more of this accumulating body of work. I will be recommending your blog to my friends who are still in the teaching racket for use in their courses.

  • Patricio.. Yes..
    Eventually he got clean in the Encinas rehab in Pasadena..
    Not far from my rehab in Saint John Hospital in Beverly Hills..
    Yes, Art feels more “real” when you clean..
    Message to all: stay away from drugs, especially heroin..
    Please, do…. Trust me
    Big hug
    Off to venice:)

  • David – It’s been a while since I’ve been able to get on here – Just read your reply to riding a bike witha camera – Very intriguing! I’ve had nothing but experience with riding and an SLR swinging around… Perhaps it’s your bike too! Do you have a mountain bike or something more leisurely? I have my old mountain bike that I hunch over too.. so it’s not a camera friendly transport…

    I’ve been shooting a lot with my Voigtlander, very leica-esque – shooting a lot of film – I love the feel, look and grace…

    Lee Guthrie – I just saw your responses earlier about shooting American Indians…
    I don’t have any of my work online currently. Sorry I didn’t have some samples for you to look at. I have been working on a project that has been eating up a lot of time but sometime in the future I will likely have a few photos up. Later this fall I will be traveling north to photograph the Menominee again for a magazine article about their logging techniques.

  • David – Have a new phone again – May I call you?

  • Last day Rio. Big wrap party at marius fish resturant. I had to pay the bill…..OUCH!!, but worth it.
    Do we have a film in the can?? who knows?.. but Lobster was fantastic :)
    Next stop London. Back to reality.

  • David, thanks. Customized, limited edition. Yes. And having now met several former students I appreciate the bond that exists between you and them individually, as well as that which they create among themselves as a group. The entire experience is a wonderful thing on so many levels. I’m working on a bit more extensive and sophisticated version that I hope will provide a broader, deeper, and more accurate account. Jordan graciously provided me with a nice photo to accompany it. I’ll send you a short email about it later today or tomorrow.

    And we jest a bit among ourselves, but just so random readers out there understand, although the “mw” internet persona is often written as a squirrely character, “mw” in real life has a long and varied history in the publishing industry and always behaves professionally, even under extreme duress such as tequila shots on the roof at 3 o’clock in the morning. No lampshades for me.

    On another, somewhat related note; someone mentioned having recently set a record for spending money on a photo book. Well, I just ordered Bruce Davidson’s Outside Inside, and that’s right on the heels of Burn 01. See what you people are doing to me? At this rate, I’ll be converting the kitchen into a darkroom by early next year.

  • Often I wish I lived in or near NYC….

    For those who do….Bruce Davidson signing at Barnes & Noble…

    Bruce Davidson
    Bruce Davidson: Outside Inside
    Author Signing
    The legendary photographer Bruce Davidson will join us to celebrate the release of a beautiful new three-volume retrospective of his entire, fascinating career from his days as a freelance photographer for Life to those spent at Magnum Photos.
    Tuesday October 05, 2010 7:00 PM

    86th & Lexington Ave
    150 East 86th Street, New York, NY 10028, 212-369-2180

    Special Instructions
    There is a limit of one copy of Outside Inside per person at this event. Copies will be available for purchase on the day of the event only — due to limited supply the title will not be available for pre-purchase.

    The box set there is not much more than the edition on Amazon….and if anyone happens to be in the neighborhood and wants to pick up a copy for me (and get it signed), I would happily reimburse you for cost and shipping and at least buy dinner next time I’m there…. :)

    Good light, all.


  • MW…

    yes, me too…i have no idea how much i have invested in photo books…lots whatever it is….but when it comes to tactile objects of possession, i make books my number one…my only regret is in not always buying a book that i like when it comes out…procrastination in this regard only makes the book even more expensive in the long run…books that woulda shoulda coulda cost be 50 bucks, i end up spending 400 for a few years later…

    early morning rain here in new york..gray , wet, foggy….nice time to pull an old favorite off the shelf…

    cheers, david

  • g’morning David.

    Wet, foggy and drizzly here as well.

    Quick question for you – what’s the queue like for submitted singles? I have a few in mind I may venture to send….

    and lest all think my pinings for NYC imply a lack of cultural events in my own fair city, I must advertise just a bit…those of you who follow classical music may recognize the name…Gustavo Dudamel and the Vienna Philharmonic are playing here this evening. Quite an honor to have them ….


    i got a nice email from Beto who said he enjoyed working with you and your crew in Rio….anxious to see what you shot…if it is ever possible that is….i do not know Marius fish restaurant…where is it? again, too bad our trips did not coincide …safe travels amigo…

    cheers, david


    a long line, but we do not publish in chronological order of submission….so submit…good singles always in very short supply….we do get dozens of single submissions every week, but few on the mark…show me dude, show me….we missed you at the Davidson event….

    cheers, david

    Glad beto enjoyed it. Him and his driver are top guys.
    Marius, avenue atlantica, lemus…..If you want fantastic seafood this is the place. (expect $100 + per person though)
    Are you familiar with BOB NADKARNI? We stayed at his jazz hotel, The Maze, in a ‘safe’ favhella for a day and a night. Very interesting guy, and a great host. His is the house where the snoop video was shot..he has many stories, and loves to tell them over a cold beer or three. I recommend a visit highly.
    Now utterly shattered and looking forward to getting home….but I must come back..Rio captivates right??



  • david alan harvey –

    After reading MW’s report, I can see how incredibly busy you have been lately with the release of burn 01, your students and all the many things that you do, so I kind of hate to ask for any of your time at all, but I wonder if the Uiñiq magazine and the copy of Gift of the Whale that I mailed has reached you yet?

    I will feel a little better when I know that they have.

  • David Bowen – Just dropped into Verve Photo and saw your photo there today.


  • we do get dozens of single submissions every week, but few on the mark…

    Just to send one, and not be featured is plenty of feedback already. Not being facetious here, I mean it. Humility is crucial to advance one’s photography. Anyway, David can be wrong too! ;-)))

  • HERVE…

    now wait, didn’t i in fact feature one of your singles?? one of the better ones we published i must say…but i have not seen the same from you since…at least not yet…but, yes of course i can be wrong too…and i might not have seen anything recent yet either…i am a bit behind in seeing submissions , but will catch up this week…ok, yes, your bag is in the mail…or, will be when i take it to magnum tomorrow to be shipped..this has literally been my first chance to do this, i promise…

    cheers, david


    yes, i know The Maze and Bob…yea, Bob is quite the entertainer for sure….did not stay there before, but might give it a try…


    your package has arrived Bill …i saw it with my own eyes today…but, no time to open it yet…will try tomorrow….again, many thanks

  • DAH,

    Speaking of submissions…I just started editing the middle portion of my India 2010 and after reading your tweet about exotic vs back yard and the earlier conversation here about single images I submitted TWO images. I only received ONE confirmation from burn. I’m guessing that means one of the images didn’t go thru but I don’t know which one!

    When you get around to looking could you or Anton or whoever please let me know if you have both images? The fact that it took me 8 months to take a look at this work and I immediately submitted is rare for me so I don’t want to miss having you see my submission. THANKS!!!

  • CATHY…

    i just looked and see that we have two submissions from you…i did not look at the pictures because i am too too sleepy….later please… any case, wishing you all best….

    cheers, david

  • now wait, didn’t i in fact feature one of your singles?? one of the better ones we published i must say

    Thank you, David. This submission was thanks to Patricia who was instrumental in my submitting it. It’s true I usually send one without too much calculation, spontaneously rather, as the shot speaks to me and was taken usually the same day I sent.

    Talking about this, whatever happened to the TUILERIES GARDENS one? It still would be the first “visual humour” shot on BURN… And you liked it too!

  • The bag…. Thank you again, David (Panos too, who has your ear!), it will be even more appreciated for all the suspence that preceded its delivery. It sure does have a story of its own, already! :-)

  • frostfrog..

    thanks for the shout-out.

    not a paying reproduction, yet it is good to have some traffic to my site.
    makes me want to re-do the whole thing.

    incidentally – the photo was taken nearly 10 years ago now.. still a little further to creep back and find the earliest of the Wasted photos..

    flying out.

  • incidently – anyone here have a large format press camera they would be happy to lend?
    thinking – graflex ‘crown graphic’ or that kind of thing… something usable, which can be hand held..

    looking on ebay as well..


  • a civilian-mass audience

    BRAVO DAVIDB…Bravissimo

    Happy Birthday to SEAN GALLAGHER and to JACOB AUE SOBOL…!!!

    EVA…we need update for your back…and of course…

    MRS.KATHLEEN FONSECA… ASAP…proceed to the BURNING area for immediate update…

    I will be back

  • David B…

    If you’re not in a hurry, I would gladly lend you mine once I’m back in Nicosia (hopefully in less than a month.)

    Shipping would be quite a bit though… mine weights about 2.5kg—without packaging…

    Let me know…

  • thanks thodoris.. will keep it in mind..
    found a couple on ebay.. this one looks fine.

  • HERVE…

    ahhh yes, the Paris garden picture…i did think it was funny….but showing it around to people, i got negative humor reactions from many…funny for some , is not funny for others…humor always tricky this way , particularly for this type of humor…some could interpret as bad taste…we do humor here…wasn’t the pigeon picture funny? for me it was…anyway, i am always looking for humor…as you know , i am a laughing person by nature…just hard to find good humor in photography…send me some

  • DAVID B…

    do not have a large format press camera…what you do with it?? always loved , at least in theory, the Crown Graphic…hand held 4×5….nice….keep thinking i might try it for awhile myself..anyway, will look around new york today for you….

  • some could interpret as bad taste…

    Some?….. God forbid! ;-)

  • David…Would be great to grab a cold beer when we are both in DC, for sure. Will be good to catch up. Let me know of the easiest way to get hold of you. I know you’re a hard man to pin down!

    MW/Sidney…Thanks very much for your thoughts on the wetlands piece. I think with this work, like most of the work I do on the environmental issues, is geared towards peaking people’s interests in the underlying causes of these problems. In the written pieces, I aim to present a few key facts that will hopefully stir interest and along with the photos will get people to dig a little further themselves into these issues. If they create dialogue and a new awareness, then this is a good start. Thanks again.

  • Civi, trying to get clear from the drugs, am not allowed to drive otherwise.. wanna go home..

  • While things are a bit quiet, I have a question I’d like to ask of the group. This is perhaps remedial for most of you, but a discussion on the topic may well help me along my way as I stretch myself. It came to mind partly because of where I find myself in my development, and partly from a comment from MW’s reportage about the loft workshop, how there was one particular image that the student finally was able to get..

    When working on an essay, how detailed do you get about the shots you’re looking for? Beyond what you’re trying to say, do you have a list of things you want, almost like a shot list? Do you maybe even go that far, as to saying “ok, I need to find xyz”…or is it more fluid than that, more just experiencing the theme/idea/message and shooting from instinct and internal feel? A mix of both?

    I figure there will be as many approaches as there are photographers, but would like to hear more…

    good light, all.

  • Oh, and…

    Happy Birth Day, Sean!

  • andrew b

    on a single commission, which i guess would be a narrative of it’s own, i do look for specific shots which please the client and then keep a much more open, lucid, mind towards what i want to find.. which is ultimately what is there rather than what i expect to see.. there are shots “to be expected” and those which are a complete surprise.. i am interested in the later and my clients seem to use me because some respect is paid to the former.. for publication they look for that balance from me.

    DAH – very kind, yet postage may be prohibitive.. guess i am hoping to find one in the uk which i can pick up in transit..
    having shot the music crowd with medium and 35mm formats i have a mind to do something else.. have an idea for how to make them look and how i will shoot.. just need to have a look-see and find what is possible :o)

  • David B., if you get the pacemaker (with 1/1000 shutter in camera) with the kalart side rangefinder (to avoid having to get special cams made for the top rangefinder to match unusual lenses) you have the option of using barrel lenses, such as the superfast WWII Aero Ektars, specifically the 6″ f2.5, popularly called the Burnett Combo for David Burnett’s use of it. Lots of examples on is website. The extra speed of the glass seems to make up a bit for the limited movements of the press cameras for better selective focus options, plus, you know, it’s just great glass, or so I hear. Only slightly radioactive.

    Andrew B., I thought Alec Soth’s use of general and eclectic lists … man with beard, suitcase, etc. … taped to the dash as he drove around looking for people to meet was interesting.

  • David B,

    Thanks for that. I completely see that being the best course for an assignment. What about for your own personal projects? Do you treat yourself as the “client” and have expected shots, or gravitate more towards the more fluid, open-minded lucid approach? One reason I guess I’m being careful is I can tend to be left-brained and box my creativity in…

    I’m trying to make sense of a personal essay, a topic for myself…I have the concept and the feel, and perhaps even some pre-conceived ideas of shots. But I’m not sure whether to pursue it left-brain or right-brain…i.e. make a list of images I think would fit, the feel, the minds-eye sort of shots imagined, or to simply go with the gut feeling of “this is what I want to say, and how it feels, and OH! There is something that does that exactly”….

    I suspect it is a combination of both, I seem to remember someone saying that following your inner self will result most likely not in what you thought originally, but something perhaps even more powerful.

  • Tom Hyde,

    yes…something along that line seems like perhaps the best balance…similar to what I have rambling around in my head now…sometimes they are even only imagined images – I know how I want them to feel, but not specifically what they are of, if that makes any sense whatsoever.

    I’ve started making notations in my note-book when a feeling or idea that’s particularly strong comes along…

  • andrew..

    with music i was already shooting as a personal project for months when clients picked up on it..
    in that sense what i shot did not change.. perhaps i just evolved and grew into knowing what the client likes, and what i like..
    the two don’t fight each other, especially when a client trusts what we are already doing and allows us a little freedom. plenty of photos which ended up in my monday morning edit for the client were not suitable for publication – and only stayed in because i loved them and the client enjoyed seeing the truer motivation for me work.

    my only conscious thoughts while shooting are of the moment.. in an odd way i know everything needed will be there.. as much time or film has allowed i’ll keep looking and also have a strange sense of when it has worked out.. when i begin repeating myself.. and when i am still seeing new things..

    if only i had that talent in writing.

    one weekends raving would be edited down to 30 or so shots.. and that was my monday routine for 10 years so it became second nature to know what to expect.
    the difficultly comes when familiar shots present themselves and i want to see something else..

    it is much easier, with a well known subject, to know what will be there rather than to open up and see what is going to be there..
    it can be a lot more edgy, intense and ultimately rewarding to think of the expected shots as the bottom rung of the ladder, and then see how high or deep you dare yourself to go :o)

    as it were..

    TOM – thanks so much.. i will look in more detail tomorrow and perhaps drop you an email with more specifics of what i want to do..
    very good man.

  • and LISTS are fantastic.. notebooks.. workbooks.. sketching.. doodling..

    ESSAYS as well.. i mean written to ourselves, frank and honest.. why and wherefore type stuff.. i have a good number of these tucked around the place on computer.. draft blog posts.. all sorts..

  • Andrew B….Thanks! Quite happy to be spending it here it the States. St Louis, Missouri to be exact. Am impressed you knew!

  • I posted this a week or so ago, but it didn’t really get any traction. So… I thought I’d post it again while it’s a bit quieter here to try and get some opinions! :-)

    “The latest Kashmir essay got me thinking. When I looked at the Anthropographia edit I couldn’t believe how different it was to the Burn edit. The Anthropographia edit was much more “traditional”.

    Usually; photographers are always encouraged to present the strongest edit (especially on Burn); yet I suppose this essay shows that maybe you have to tailor your edits towards the particular display vehicle. I feel that the Burn essay is by far the strongest edit.

    I can understand that if you visited a location multiple times, and were continually adding more work, then an edit could change quite drastically. But wasn’t this piece shot over a 6-week period? The difference in the three essays (including the Oskar Barnack Award) isn’t just a case of a few images being adding or taken out as the story evolves.

    So; to cut a long story short; do we have to tailor our edits? Or do we say “To hell with it, I feel this is the strongest edit so take it or leave it”?

    This is not a criticism of the essay, I’m just interested in why the edits are so drastically different, when we are so often encouraged to pick your strongest edit?”

    Cheers :-)

  • As an aside; i thought it pretty well fit in with the current subject (essays) being discussed. :-)

  • ROSS…

    we published here the Kashmir edit as we received it from Anthropographia…i just moved one picture around in the sequence…that’s all…so i am surprised you saw yet another edit from the same source..or , am i not understanding?? in any case, edits change all the time for a wide variety of reasons….on any given essay i might have three different edits depending on the show i am doing or the audience…my edit for a story i am showing editors might be different, more all inclusive, than one i might show to this audience or a peer group…edits for readers of mass circulation magazines are surely different than the ones perhaps shown only to other photographers…or even within that group a tighter edit might be employed for reasons of time etc….as i have said many times here on Burn, a slide show is one thing, an exhibition another, and a book another, and a magazine another….all possibly different edits, sequences, etc…

  • Just saw this tweet from PDN:

    BD’s “Hope for a Healthy World” Photo Competition

    You might recall that BD sponsored James Nachtwey’s essay here on Burn. (BD is also looking to connect with photographers )

  • David; This was the only essay I saw on Anthropographia, which differs quite a lot.

    But now I get what you mean about tailoring an edit for a specific presentation vehicle! :-)

  • David Bowen –

    “not a paying reproduction…” I think this has pretty much become the way of life on the web. Thanks for the info and I enjoyed the pick.

    To All Cat Lovers:

    I am overjoyed! On July 25, after a two hour boat ride up the Yukon River from Fort Yukon to Circle, Fat Cat jumped out of the boat and disappeared into the Alaskan wilderness.

    But now, just in time to save her ass from becoming a frozen popsicle, she has returned:

  • HERVE…

    your bag should arrive by fedex tomorrow…no signature required…i did not get a chance to put in a note, so this is it..congratulations on winning the caption writing contest from months ago judged by Chris Bickford……sorry for the delay but well ok no excuses, sorry for the delay for this prize bag…you might want to change out the shoulder strap…anyway, i do use this bag quite a bit on assignments, so i hope it works for you….our customer service department will allow one bag return and exchange…after that, you are on your own..

    cheers, david

  • I shall let you know of its arrival, David, thanks.

  • Andrew B: Shot list? Ha! It’s called riding the edge and down to the wire. And Inshallah.

  • Went to see the Danny Lyons Biker photograph exhibit in Bentonville, Arkansas a couple days ago. Excellent. I really enjoyed the exhibit. Have a look:

  • Lee
    I’d love to have seen it. I recently recieved a copy of “Bikeriders” that I found used on Amazon, and was very dissapointed with the poor reproduction.

  • Frostfrog

    “thought he was a goner but the cat came back”

    Martha is literally on the phone as I type this, with a Lasqueti Island friend who is offering to go put out food for Pepe La Pew, who was left behind at our Lasquiti house. She cannot take Pepe, so we must decide what to do. He is a lovely guy, great mouser and ratter, but would not survive the traffic here in town.

  • The program director for a day program for mentally handicapped adults in the community in which I live has sent out an email asking for donations of digital point and shoot cameras. They are planning a project in which clients will be encouraged to explore their lives, and share their lives and view of the world through photography.
    I have offered to become involved in the project. I’m very excited about it. If anyone has any in-put they would like to offer, or a donation of a camera, I’d love to hear from you.

  • Gordon – If I were down there, I would take Pepe myself. Both my wife and cats would be upset with me, but I would do it. I hope he finds a home, soon.

  • Frostfrog

    You are clearly a cat person, as is my daughter who lives in Victoria and fosters cats for a rescue organization. Anyway, my oldest son Robin, also a cat person, is going to Lasqueti on thursday and will connect with Pepe. We may bring him over to this side and transport him to Victoria, but it would be better for him if we could find a Lasqueti home for him.

  • DAH

    Rejection’s ugly head is female!

    Whether rejector or rejectee, it is painful.
    Today I hired a new office assistant. Tommorow, I must send rejection emails to the several dozen people who applied. Hate being the bad guy.

  • Damn Gordon.. Why didn’t u mention the job opening?
    I had the resume ready;)

  • For Frostfrog and Fat Cat

  • a civilian-mass audience

    “I think all great innovations are built on rejections.”
    Louis Ferdinand Celine (French writer and physician, 1894-1961)

    it’s a sign…ROYCE is smiling
    What not to LOVE !!!

    Whoever is in Lasqueti area…we need home for PEPE…
    thank you.

    Again, Happy Birthday to our LEEEEEEEEEEEE…!!!

  • Gordon – Yes, I am – although I didn’t know it until I turned 41, flew my airplane home to Wasilla from a three-month stay in the far Northwest Alaska Arctic village of Point Hope, sat down on the backporch with a ham sandwich and a Pepsi only to have a starving adolescent cat walk out of the woods, climb onto my lap and start kneading my beard. My youngest daughter was five then and she came out to join us. I told her we were going to cook that cat for dinner, she said we weren’t, the cat ate most of my ham, stayed and I discovered I am a cat person.

    My career has been an interesting one that has kept me busy but left me in deep financial straits. It is my belief that cats – through the photos and stories that I have taken and written about them – will one day come to my rescue.

    mtomally – when I see that a You Tube video is over two or three minutes, I almost never watch it, but I watched this one and smiled for 7.5 minutes.

    Yes, Civi – it is a sign and a rather amazing one. I had not given Fat Cat up for dead, but would have, very soon.

    Now I’ve got to polish up an old cat story and redo the layout before I go to bed in an hour or so.

  • ¨My career has been an interesting one that has kept me busy but left me in deep financial straits. It is my belief that cats – through the photos and stories that I have taken and written about them – will one day come to my rescue.¨

    brilliant.. cats in bomber-jackets perhaps..

    utterly sorted me out with your information – many thanks.
    looking online it seems for less than the price of a 2nd hand canon G9 i can get a half decent setup and get started..
    thanks also for reminding me of david burnett.. good stuff..

  • Nice idea, David B – but I’m afraid mine are all candid cats. No studio cats at all – although once I put an umbrella up by the couch and shot a few frames. I couldn’t get the damn cat to put on the flight jacket, though. Once, before I crashed my airplane, I did try to get the same cat to pose on the nose, just behind the prop, but he jumped off.

  • frostfrog..
    cats, children and some models are just plain tough to work with.. :ø)

  • also – getting a zeiss ikon to butcher.
    unsure why LF and obscura are at the front of my mind again, yet really excited for it..
    possibly boredom with the past year since starting digital..


    ¨forlatt øyeblikk¨ exhibition featured on
    good stuff :ø9


    yes, worse than being rejected is doing the rejecting…of course “rejection” is not gender specific…i was simply trying to get as much info into the 140 character limitation of twitter as possible…

  • They just this moment delivered Bruce Davidson’s “Outside Inside” — all 23 pounds worth. Just an amazing life’s work.

  • Lee: Your response doesn’t surprise me :) Seize the moment!

    I think a full-out “shot list” is too left-brained…but the idea of visualizing the final work, or the feel, really helps me. Somewhere in between the “to-do list” and the “ok, go shoot” approach is, I think, right for me…

    Still curious to hear other thoughtss on this question (see a page or so back). Do you use, or visualize, the images you want/need when working ona personal essay?

    DAH, would love to hear your thoughts on this as well….

    Oh, and Happy Birth Day, LEE!

  • ANDREW B..

    when i get up in the morning, i have no idea what will be my picture or pictures for the day…i do have a rough idea of what i will be doing and where i will go, but definitely not a “shot list”, even on an ad shoot…a concept/key word list yes…however, many agencies and magazines do employ the shot list philosophy and many photographers do indeed comply….i could never in a million years pre-visualize what i will eventually do in any given day or time frame….i lose some ad work because of this i am sure….hard to sell the concept of “it will be magic” to the accountant at most firms…however, that is indeed my only pitch….and it has worked enough for me to have earned a living in the most pleasant possible way etc…and of course i believe it with all my heart….

  • ALL.
    As promised, a few Rio snapshots.
    Didnt really have time to do it properly as i was working flat out shooting video most of the time, but there are a couple of shots here I kinda like.


  • andrew b., I think you can see an example of someone using something like a shot list in the new essay on Iceland and its financial crisis. Beautiful scenery, check; swimming in the geothermal waters, check; effects on children and artists, check; villains of the financial crisis, check; fishing industry, check; power plant, check; the wonderful aluminum smelters and their attendant jobs, check; catastrophic environmental damage caused by aluminum smelters, ummmmm…

  • David B., glad that was helpful … discovering all the wonderful ways to screw up large format myself. :))

  • Thanks to all – especially you, DAH, who have responded with ideas and thoughts on “organizing” thoughts for essays….it seems as if I’m not so far from doing it in a way those more successful than I do it…even if this matters…but always nice to know I’m not missing a critical link (Akaky, straight line there for you…)…

    good light, all.

  • john gladdy…couple shots there I definitely like!

    The one of the street with the guy in the suit to the side…and the one of the abandoned chair in the street….

  • john gladdy – I like those shots! I opened this up expecting to maybe see something that might make me question just a little bit why it is that I choose to live through long winters so cold and dark when there are places where flowers are blooming and gorgeous women flaunt their bodies in the warm sun – all of which one associates with Rio.

    I did not see anything to cause even the tiniest pang of regret, but I did some strong images that speak of the artist’s eye of John Gladdy.

  • Lee..happy birthdayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ha bobus… Jonas , new magnum blood , although if I had to chose between north Vs south,
    Scandinavia Vs Italy ? I’d choose Alex Majoli.. Easier for me to understand and get along..
    Id rather take pathos than precision, design than mechanics.. Ducati Vs Volvo..
    Big hug ( just kiddin );)

  • LEE

    Love Danny Lyons. I saw a signed, numbered print of the shot of the guy on the motorcycle on the bridge, looking over his shoulder, along with several other notable photogs including Lee Freidlander, Robert Frank, Walker Evans, Alex Soth, Henry Wessel, and Garry Winogrand, in a collection called “road Trip” in one of my client’s corporate offices… Would love to see an entire collection of him…

  • Bag is here, david. Love it, my very new Canon 5DmarkII too! Kawp khun Maak krap!!!!

    PS: Err…..There were pictures of Panos naked with a girl (well, maybe not a girl, I can’t really tell, something anyway…)in one the pockets. Should I send back to you or Panos?


  • Herve, feel free to submit to playboy (playgirl also fine with me)…;)

  • HERVE – that’s frickin hilarious! Just made me laugh at the end of a long and partially unpleasant day!
    PANOS – hope you’re doin good over there on the other side of the world!

  • Dominik.. End of a bad day..!?
    Don’t worry .. It only goes “up” from here:)

  • Herve…..

    35/2 on the 5DII??

  • Carl Zeiss on the 5D and I’m sold;)

  • But let’s keep it real.. You need to be in great shape.. Go to the gym…
    and do lots of protein shakes to be able to lift and operate it…;)
    (a little on the heavy side.. Try to walk couple miles with a zoom attached
    and next morning u won’t be able to move your neck… greatest camera on a tripod though;)

  • Panos; “Carl Zeiss on the 5D and I’m sold” Aah; but which kidney did you have to sell to buy the Zeiss lens? :-)

    I scored a mint used Nikkor 24 2.8 about a year ago for about 90 bucks; about 1/3 the going rate. It’s nice to score a bargain every now and then! It’s hardly left the camera since then! :-)

  • Ross.. Carl Zeiss for canon or nikon around $800 or a 50mm f1.4 for $400….
    It’s doable.. Just sell house, kid and one of the twins..
    Speaking about twins.. Having twins sounds like a bad deal..
    Why having the same , twice? In cars I get it.. Coz if one breaks you have parts for the other one..
    But kids???

  • Car and one of the kids I meant:(

  • Andrew B

    “the shot of the guy on the motorcycle on the bridge, looking over his shoulder,”

    My very favourite Lyon photograph.

  • “Carl Zeiss for canon or nikon around $800 or a 50mm f1.4 for $400….”

    Zeiss 35 1.4 for Nikon is around $1600 here!

  • Andrew B, Panos

    The Canon 35 f2 is my newest lens aquisition. LOVE this lens. Here it is, full frame on my old 1ds

  • Herve….. 35/2 on the 5DII??

    Yep, that’ll be the combo, along with 17-40 or 24-105, when light aplenty.

  • ANDREW B.,

    Regarding lists, (as Tom Hyde previously mentioned) Alec Soth immediately comes to mind. You might want to check out his current Flickr project, “From Here to There”:

    The discussion on “Assignment #1” seems to point that Soth uses his lists as a jumping off point (or exercise in seeing) that is not to be strictly adhered to, but as a stimulus to get out there and shoot.

  • Panos – Thanks for the link. I remember that superb DAH picture – good to see it again. Personally, I think Nat Geo continues to produce a huge amount of excellent work. I understand the need of the young to overthrow the old in their effort to create something new, though. It’s always been that way, always well be – and then, at some point in their life, when they are older, the once young discover that what they imagined themselves to be overthrowing was some pretty damn good stuff…

    Kind of like when I was growing up, and I thought the World War II era music of my parents was so hokey… then, one day, when I saw them slipping away, I heard it with new ears and realized how good it was – how sophisticated, how intelligent, how… sexy…

    Someday, I think, you may sit down with some of the Nat Geos that you now see as old and tiring and have a similar revelation.

    Lee – it looks like its your birthday. Happy one.

    Now, I am wasting way too much time on the internet and I am not getting enough done.

    I am going to try to be absent for a little bit. Not long – just a little bit.

  • Bill;

    I think the problem is that because Nat Geo is such a big beast it makes for an easy target. As long as the criticism is well-thought out and debated there’s no problem. If it’s a case of simply jumping on the bandwagon (or hobby horse)to appear “edgy and trendy” then that’s different.

    As for the young; you’re right, it’s their role in life to criticise the establishment! :-)

    But I think Nat Geo often gets unfairly criticised. What other magazine has its history or puts so much energy and budget into photography (and writing) for the general public? If it is so bad why don’t those that rubbish it start a mass circulation magazine that shows how it should be done?

    Is there more cutting edge photography out in the big wide world? Yes. But wouldn’t mind a dollar for every person who has been inspired to take up photography after picking up a Nat Geo mag.

    Cheers :-)

  • Gordon when I was in New York I was going to lunch almost everyday with DAH and IRA BLOCK

    I admire mr.Allard and when I met hin C/Ville I had a really cool conversation about Greece , family etc..same feelings I have for Eric Valli that he invited me more than three times to visit him in Paris and I never did..

    Our fellow burnian and buddy of mine Michael (Sakhalin essay) is an example
    Of new NatGeo blood, same as our friend mr Sean G…

    Yes I do often bash NatGeo but.. But.. But never, ever , ever the photographers..
    Big hug

  • Sorry, I meant Bill.. Not Gordon:)

  • Ross.. When I was in Istanbul last February I was checking the local Turkish version..
    Same with the Greek version of NatGeo ..
    Worthless , borderline offensive.. Pictures were bad, bad.. Crappy..
    Reason? NatGeo is trying to “save money”…
    Please don’t get me started.. And just to support my “case” in this “court”..
    I had a major Magnum photographer right next to me, checking the NatGeo mag together..
    Not only agreeing with me , but, but.. But he was annoyed , literally pissed
    from the bad quality..:(

  • Panos; “Not only agreeing with me , but, but.. But he was annoyed , literally pissed
    from the bad quality”

    Yip; that’s the totally valid argument I meant! Cheers :-)

  • I just watched an old silent era film classic, “Yankee Clipper,” about the great 19th century race between American and British tea clippers from Foochow (Fuzhou) to Boston, starring the young William Boyd (who later when talkies arrived would become Hopalong Cassidy) as the Yankee captain. There were two villains in the film… one, a cowardly and immoral mustachioed English fop trying to marry the heroine, an English lord’s daughter, for her money, and the other a scurvy dog blackguard crewman on the Yankee ship who had kidnapping and debauching designs on the heroine (he was ultimately foiled by the hero, ‘natch). The scurvy blackguard crewman was a dead, dead ringer (I kid you not) for David Alan Harvey.

  • Bill. Thanks.
    The last thing I wanted to do do was make Rio cliches, and the light mainly sucking helped me out in this respect…although I do seem to have ended up making other cliches instead :) Waiting for the E6 to come back from the lab to see if I did any better on that.


  • Herve, congratulations, that’s a wonderful camera, I’m more impressed with it every time I do a difficult shoot. The bad news, however, is twofold. First, although I used to scoff at those who whined about a camera’s weight, either I’ve gotten particularly weak in my dotage or that damn gear really does weigh a ton. After suffering through everyone’s advice to try a messenger bag, I went back to carrying a backpack. I strongly recommend something like the Tamrac sling backpack. Camera access is almost as convenient as a messenger bag and I can carry it all day without much strain. The other (potential) bad news is that I bought the 35mm f2 and loved it so much I had to sell most of my other lenses and buy the 1.4. I don’t regret it, though on certain fall days when the colors are peaking, I think wistfully of the old 200.

  • I do have the slingbag, Michael, been my main camera carry-on, only problem, it doesn’t go too well if wearing a jacket or an opened shirt. Perfect with a polo or T-shirt, in warm days or places.

    Otherwise, a soft padded computer attache-case fits the bill (and now, David’s bag, messenger type, which has so many pockets and zippers, i may still find photos David doesn’t want me to see!!!).

  • MW

    Cameras have grown monstrous.

    Years ago, because of back issues, I traded my beautiful but extremely heavy Canon F1 system for a Pentax ME super and a set of tiny M-series lenses. I’d trade my EOS system in an instant if someone offered a compact full frame DSLR with compact lenses.
    I’m sure that 35 1.4 is awesome, but it is monstrous (and almost 4x the price, and three times the weight of the f2)

    Sorry for the gear talk y’all..back to regular programming.

  • Panos,,,,what’s the deal with the flash?

  • what’s the deal with the flash?

    If he’s taking a picture of the star Proxima Centauri, that flash will illuminate it in about 4.3 years.

    Re the F2 Gordon, I hear you. I had enough junk to sell that I didn’t have to pay anything out of pocket for the 1.4, but it is a monster. Very nearly as big and heavy as the 24-105. Many times I’ve had to let people look through the viewfinder because they thought I was getting that close with a telephoto. I too can’t wait to get a small full frame camera. Oh Leica, who art heaven… Someday…

  • Gordon; Have you seen this? Looks good to me…

    Funny looking at your ME Super; my first “real” camera was a K1000; you could’ve driven a tank over it. I couldn’t afford any other bayonet lenses beside the standard 50mm, so used Pentax screw mount lenses (for the Spotmatic) with an adapter! It used to be pretty tricky to focus when you had stopped down to f8-ish, the viewfinder was nearly pitch black!

    Now, you can pick up a used K1000 for $75 (about US$55)! I’ve been tempted to pick one up for old time’s sake, but not a good idea when your funds are stretched!

  • Ross, yes, that looks like it might be my next camera.

    I’ve been compulsivly buying old 35mmSLRs at my local thrift store, for as little as $5.00. Got a mint K1000 a few months back for about twenty bucks if I recall. It is actually one of the early ones made in Japan. I don’t shoot film anymore. Just pick it up now and then, wind, focus, click, repeat. Cheap thrills.
    If you’d really like the K1000 Ross, I’ll send it to you. It needs to be loved and maybe even used a little.

  • Looks as though the gear nerds are taking over the discussions, good luck to you guys……… maybe this site can evolve into something like this

  • Ross, Gordon,

    The thing to watch out for in those old ‘K’ and ‘M’ series Pentaxes, which are otherwise wonderful cameras, is the baffling seals around the hinged back cover and the cushioning for the reflex mirror… they were made with some kind of synthetic rubber foam material that turns into sticky black tar over the years…if you get any of that on the mirror or the ground glass focusing screen, you’ll never get it off.
    My first ‘real’ camera that I bought with my own money was a Pentax KM, predecessor of the K1000, and I’ve used all the ‘M’ series bodies, the LX, and many of the ‘M’ series lenses that are still my favorite fixed-focal length lenses… I still use an old ‘M’ series f1.7 50mm on one of my digital Pentax bodies with an APS-C sized chip… makes a lovely portrait lens. Still making great scans and prints from Kodachromes I made with this lens back in the mid 1970s.

  • The flash? Ha .. If it’s also a sigma flash it can lit the sun in very low ISO.. But it only works at night.. When the sun is not “on”… This way we can see the dark side of the sun more clearly… Unfortunately I’m in a low budget right now but I added that 200-500 f2.8 in my XMAS wish list..
    Now , question to all..
    What type of camera bag do I need? For this lens?
    Back pack style? Or a messenger style bag?
    I’ll wait for the next DAH contest I guess;)

  • Gordon; That’s a very kind offer, but I wouldn’t use it much. Seeing them so cheap often makes my finger hover over the “buy now” button for sheer old time’s sake. I bought a Zorki 4k a while back, so that’s my nostalgia pretty much satisfied for a while!

    When I sold the K1000 I went ultra-modern and bought an FM2! :-) I’ve still got one and am using it again with an old 35mm f2 AIS lens. Everytime I put it up to my eye it reminds me what a viewfinder should look like; rather than the narrow D200/300 tunnel! It was a hell of a learning curve going from a FM2 to a D200 though.

    I took the Zorki to the local cattle sale a while ago and wouldn’t have minded a dollar for every farmer who asked what I was using! Even better; watching the look on the kid’s faces at the skate park when I take the back off a Holga to load 120 film!

  • GEEK ALERT..gear talk

    Hey Sid

    Yes, those foam seals and the foam mirror cushion degrade over time. Not just Pentax’s, many other cameras of the era suffer the same complaint. You can actually buy seal kits on the web.

    My first “real” camera was my Rolliecord VB, bought about 1967. Then, a Pentax SV (pre-Spotmatic) I started my free-lance career in 1972 with a Pentax 6×7 outfit, plus a pair of Spotmatics and a suitcase full of Super Takumars. At one point I owned every lens from the 17mm fish-eye to the 400mm.

    I still have a couple of k-mount bodies, and several M series lenses. I used my tiny M series Pentax 35f2 on my Canons until I bought the Canon 35f2 just a few months ago. You can order adaptors from deep China on Ebay for about $35.00. Make sure you get one with the focus confirmation chip. It makes your camera beep, and the focus point light up when you are in focus. Mine works great with the 35f2, and 100f2.8, unfortunately not so great with my 135f2.5 Takumar (back focuses).

    Havin’ fun.

  • Geek talk? Nah, just a bunch of oldies sitting on the park bench and reminiscing! :-)

  • Speaking of replacing light seals, I have to recommend John Goodman’s replacement kits. He sells on eBay under the handle “interslice”. The kits are fantastic, and much less work than cutting your own from black foam. (Plus, he seems like a really nice guy :-)

  • hmmmn this was moderated or the powers to be are phasing me outLooks as though the gear nerds are taking over the discussions, good luck to you guys……… maybe this site can evolve into something like this

  • DAVID, All

    If you have a facebook account please look at new Sohrab Hura’s masterpiece video.

    The very best photos and video I’ve seen from long time!!

  • “maybe this site can evolve into something like this

    Geez; I hope not! :-)

  • it’s heading that way…..

  • silence, exile, and cunning.

    I will tell you what I will do and what I will not do. I will not serve that in which I no longer believe, whether it call itself my home, my fatherland, or my church: and I will try to express myself in some mode of life or art as freely as I can and as wholly as I can, using for my defence the only arms I allow myself to use
    – silence, exile, and cunning.

  • Hey, Marcin, what is so great about it, as a video (Sohrab’s)? Not saying it’s bad, it is very nice indeed, but I see evryone is falling head over heels, and I would like to know why.
    Sohrab is a nice chap, I wish him well.

  • john g–

    loved it. absolutely loved it.
    the satie accompaniment piece is perfect.
    i first heard satie playing in a tiny movie theatre, in seattle, as i waited for a film to start.
    i was so enthralled i walked up to the booth and asked the guy what i was listening to?
    he told me it was satie, popped the cassette out, and handed it to me.
    what a treasure.
    you got Soul, dude.

  • wow!
    how did my comment on john g’s video come BEFORE he even posted the link??

    Heres a little montage from the Rio/manchester footage. Just some randomly thrown together clips, but gives a kind of flavour of things to come…maybe

    and a couple of new ones crept in here too.


  • Wow, nice video John. Just got out of that weather and it hit my mood perfect this morning.


    i cannot log on…no account i guess…anyway, is there any other way to see this Sohrab video?


    i have not read the anti-NatGeo comments here, but of course whatever they are, it will be nothing new for me ..both NatGeo and Magnum catch lots of criticism for totally different reasons, but lots of it because as you point out they are both considered the big kids on the block and therefore deserving big targets…fair enough for sure…from an insiders viewpoint, neither goes un-criticized … the funny thing is that both are often criticized for being what they ARE..for exactly what they are intended to be ..NatGeo as a mainstream mass circulation magazine catering mostly to a natural history audience and Magnum for representing a small handful of authoring photographers who choose to go their own way….i do not see anything wrong with the basic motive of either…the confusion in critique simply comes imo when some just want them both to be something different than what they are or try to be…if you look at what they want and try to be, then both seem to be doing just fine ….

    oftentimes i might WISH NatGeo could do this or would do that or should have done whatever….and many of us have always tried to push them “forward”…but “forward” might not be what the readers/subscribers they have want or can take, and they (NG) do have some responsibility here as well as a serious economic commitment …as you can see from the commentators right here on Burn, there is not a very large demographic in ANY arena who all think the same thing or even close….audiences are fickle…whenever there is an arbiter there will always be criticism…yet human beings for all their chest pounding seem to desire an arbiter….in the case of NatGeo in someone who they trust to gather up the best information and photography on a particular issue that NG figured was either important or of interest to their demographic…readers could just zip search through the net and get most of it on their own..imo there will be less of this as time goes on..many must be weary of over searching …we will see what the future brings..i suspect as i have said before that the iPad and other mobile devices will bring upon us the most creative generation yet…both NatGeo and Magnum will have to catch up fast….

    i say all of this as i struggle with two NatGeo stories and as a Magnum photographer..Rio and Outer Banks…did i say struggle? yes, i did…i think almost any photographer would describe shooting for NG as often a struggle…not a fight, but struggle to marry what the photographer knows and feels and has seen firsthand and has presented in pictures to editors who are very aware of their readers needs, not to mention shrinking page space, and must match those needs with the photographer’s passions which could indeed be skewed by the effort alone….what the photographer has emphasized may not be what the Editor sees as most important…preconceptions of what any particular subject IS may also not match what the photographer has seen from the field…this back and forth discussion of any subject, while often painful, is indeed the most healthy thing about it…

    if a photographer does not want any hands in the pie, or any outside opinions, then that is the time for totally self financed personal projects as my family project for example..or as i have done and many others as well, a re-edit and additional personal shooting to make a book that is totally photographer driven…this just seems natural to me….and not a conflict either….so, i could easily imagine a well crafted Rio story in NatGeo and later a book or limited edition magazine done on my own…both would be thing for one audience and another thing for another audience..of course i will be pushing for as much of the latter into the pages of the former…i always do….knowing i can really only go so far…but it is all very good stuff imo….a treasure, a gift……the “pain” of producing a Rio for NatGeo is something that many seek…and they should…all things in perspective always…this is the main thing in life to have going for you any way you want to view it…

    nuff said…while i have been writing here to you, i should have been editing…i mean i have a monster on the table in front of me..two hard drives with Rio and Outer Banks…both not thoroughly viewed or pictures selected..a mountain to climb……hmmmm, but the light is nice outside now..i hear the surf pounding…maybe i should go shoot? or stay here and edit? see part of the problem??

    cheers, david

  • Wow, John. Amazing video. VERY nice work. Thanks for sharing that!


    missed this first time around…nice video vignettes of Rio….anxious to see what you finally make of it….what is to be the final outcome, client, purpose?

    cheers, david

  • JOHN G
    great footage..
    interesting choice of music…
    wish it to be a little faster…
    when I think Brazil,
    I think rhythm and dance…
    or maybe its just knowing your music photos,
    I was expecting something LOUD!!!
    love how you let things come into your frames,

  • John,

    Certainly a non-stereotypical view of Rio…like it very much – thanks for sharing.

  • DAH…Maybe you should just go and have a surf? What’s the swell like on the Grand Banks?

  • DAVID,

    I tried to find this video on other place but nothing I found.
    He will be one of my favorites photographers now.

  • DAVID ALAN HARVEY. you know how it is…the road is long. Where it will end up who knows???
    It was meant to be based on the football/homeless thing, but that went tits up early on. It may end up as either a one off theatrical and then film festivals, or if we go the ‘safe’ route(blah blah interview led documentary) it may end up on UK TV…..IT MAY ALSO END UP CANNED :) My main aim at the moment is just to protect the edit from prying fingers, and not rush anything.(never one of my strong points).

    ALL. Thanks for the feedback. Most encouraging. This is just some clips that I was messing around with, and seeing as Eric Satie is my current musical obsession he seemed the perfect vehicle for a little visual poem. I have around 2 terrabytes of master footage to sort through and try to find a common thread to hang it all on, and the end piece may be quite different, although I tried to shoot it more in a cinematic way than a ‘standard’ documentary style.



    ““the shot of the guy on the motorcycle on the bridge, looking over his shoulder,”

    My very favourite Lyon photograph”

    Imagine my surprise…I’m in a very large skyscraper my client occupies in downtown, and I’m walking to the cafeteria with my contact there….and we turn a corner and walk down a walkway with a wall on one side and the atrium open to the windows on the other, giving wonderful natural light, and on the wall are about 20 photographs, all silver prints….and the second one as I walk by is that photograph….I actually stopped, said “whoa” out loud, and turned around and went back to check it. Signed and numbered (according to the placard).

    I went back to that hallway 10 or 12 times over the 2 days I was there to look at them all…it was a collection they had acquired at some point…evidently they have many collectiosn, enough that they have 2 full-time curators (one for photographs, prints, and paintings, and one for scultpure) to manage them. I learned that they put them on exhibith and leave them up for about 3 months, then put something new up.

  • andrew b, I worked briefly out at Reader’s Digest. Every wall had a painting or photograph from the Wallace/Dewitt collection. They had quarterly swap meets where people could exchange or get new artwork for their offices. I remember passing depression era photos by Evans and Lange on my way to lunch. I had a Modigliani in my office. RD aside, there’s lot’s of good stuff going to waste on corporate walls, and worse in corporate closets.

  • Really nice work with the video, John. you kept the mood thru-out visually, music is perfect with the edit, and only one thing: tell us you took a picture of that kid stretching his arm in front of the famous Christ. Just look there was a great, memorable shot to take.
    (Marcin is going to have to tell me the difference between that “masterpiece” and this “very nice video”, ahaha!)

    David, Sohrab’s video is 16 MB. Just downloaded it. I will e-mail it to you, hope it works.

  • John, love the video, also the music.. your rolls will leave on Monday, got home later that planned..

  • I know I have asked that at least half a dozen time before, here and on RT, it all seems ignored in our discussion about Natl Geo:

    outside of the huge US readership, isn’t television (audiences and revenues) the main target of Natl Geo? Very different programs, and actually, 2 different outfits (print and television, US and the world) and maybe overall, globally, television is more Natl Geo’s business, with the print issues as a nice window display, so to speak. Subjects on TV seem vastly different than the monthly issue. Less ethno-socialogical type docus. Ex: When I was in France, Thailand too, a lot was on US army weaponry and technology.

  • Thanks eva. All mine got used up in Rio(without really hitting anything concrete..oh well). Still I will surely miss that film stock. May be time to see where portra is at these days, or start using slower film.

  • I buy Nat Geo (the magazine) every month for the photos (really), but mostly to support what they are doing. I really think the magazine has become an artifact of a different time, with content that could probably be better presented in another form.

    But, I want them to continue to support the work of photographers like DAH, so I’ll keep buying it as long as they produce it.

  • jim. I think thats about as good a reason to support a product as any.

  • John – Excellent little video. It seems to me to be still photography, in video form. I haven’t really figured out how to express what I am thinking, but that is the direction of my thoughts.

    As to DAH thoughts on NG and Magnum and criticism, what struck me most was his statement that he should have been spending the time that he used to write it editing.

    This is a problem for me, as well. Given all that I need to do, I have no business or right to sit here, reading comments and now to add one of my own. It just puts me further behind and I am so far behind right now.

    It’s an addiction, but as addictions go, at least its educational and exposes me to good photography and thoughts on photography that I would not otherwise see or encounter.


    many thanks for your support although i most likely am on my last story for NG…so we will both support the next generation…i have looked for you on skype a few times to no avail…also was in the great state of Texas and ready to meet you, but again did not see you online to tell you i was around…i will however be back soonest and hope we can meet…nice to have you back here Jim…honestly

    cheers, david

  • Ah this is perfect, Jim is back and now I see that DAH may be done with Natgo. Oh so sad… but please
    both of you guys enjoy this:

    I was given a 1952 Pocket Leica Book by Theo Kisselbach recently. Under the heading of “Grain, Resolving Power and Halation” is a section on film speed: At the time, high speed film was considered ASA 64 or above. Oh, ASA is so much sexier than ISO.
    Normal speed film was rated at 20 to 48 ASA and slow speed film was ASA 16 or
    below—“Very fine grain and exceptional resolving power.”

    Ouch, this does say something. I’m glad it was before I was born… “Well, now they often call me Speedo but my real name is Mr. Earl”–The Cadillacs via Ry Cooder.

  • Yeah, but when High Speed Ektachrome (ASA 160) came along, things really heated it! Seems kind of funny now, when my 1D MkIV will cruise along at ISO 8,000 without breaking a sweat.

  • Ah jim. But when your canon can get anywhere my sinar running 12 asa ortho….then we can talk. :)

  • David, I’m on Skype…guess we’ve just been missing each other. You should be here now. County Fair started last night with the Carnival opening…really big even here (we’re kinda laid!

  • john..

    great moving photos kind of video.. realy enjoyed it..
    the caged monkey freaked me out..



    i cannot remember exactly what i said about NatGeo and i do not have time to go back and look right this minute, but there is no reason to be sad about anything…one of the problems with this kind of chat stream is that there is an incorrect assumption that everyone is reading everything and assimilating the whole over a period of time……in any case, dawn is coming and i must jump in the truck and head for the marsh….nice early light after a few days of rain..might be interesting..we will see…if interesting enough, could end up on the pages of NatGeo…


    how can one not love a county fair? i know you do…i seem to remember some pictures you took last year or the year before of a cow judging for 4H…am i even close? i think there is a County Fair book by Randy Olsen out there on the market somewhere….know it?

    cheers, david

  • you may remember this essay by Giovanni Cocco on Burn several months here another version…..multi media light but perhaps interesting to you nevertheless


    nice..right out of the pages of NatGeo…i knew you had it in you… :)

  • Thanks David but no thanks ………….. it will find it’s way into the book mi-sŭúse and I will twist the tale.

  • David I bought one of those NatGeo Gf1 thingies with a 20mm lens just so that I can add to tech talk ……….

  • JOHN G! :))))))

    just trilled the pink of me!…really, not only gorgeous film, but in truth (here come the knives) much much more beautiful and memorable and (again, for me the most important assest) carving than the still pictures…not only because your visual sense in that film just kills, and our editing is brilliant, but the sense of place and pace is both universal and particular….the monkey with the lock, the picked crotch, the rain dappled and then the hand sweeping away, the heart-break ending, the shadow silhouette of the flag waving-bearer….it does not get much better than those 3 minutes….put the still shit down and fucking make a film….it’s a beautiful beast john, just beautiful!…

    and, well, satie always does it to me too, as i always write shit and edit pictures to ‘Gno