daria endresen – to have

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To Have and Not to Hold       Self Portrait by Daria Endresen

 

Website: Daria Endresen

 

255 Responses to “daria endresen – to have”


  • are we supposed to be impressed by how good looking daria is, or by the post production?

  • just thought i would br “controversial” there. nice picture, but so what? i can find good looking chicks taking self portraits of themselves all over the internet. i expect something a bit more interesting here, especially given that some of the content of late has been really rather good.

  • yes.. but does it match the curtains ben?

    i like it.. and it led me to look at darias webiste.. there are some classic ideas explored in interesting ways… http://1x.com/photos/member/2744/23189/

    there is potential here and i would encourage it.. DARIA – where have you studied?

    BIG UP NORWAY

    :ø)

  • At first I just recoiled, like I always do when faced with stuff like this. Then I read it’s a self portrait. That felt a bit better. At least it wasn’t a Bruce Testones piece. I still don’t like it but Daria sure is hot! Wouldn’t pass up a stupid date with her.

  • DARIA…
    great job..
    Don’t listen to the typical
    UN-sexed British men above…
    ( they hate you .. But can’t ignore you..!!?)
    Great job!

  • Ben: I totally DO NOT understand (other than being ‘controversial”, try again mate ;) ), the ‘cool’ hostility…come on Ben, you;re a smarter guy, better photographer, than having to tweak off work like a coolcrowd acolyte….Yes, this picture, isn’t journalism, and has no relationship to the kind of work you produce or you tend to admire (based on your comments here), but it is strong and imaginative and fits CLEARLY in a specific tradition of self-portraiture and now, a new body of work that uses PHotoshop as a painterly tool. Beginning with Jessica Woodman (who of course did not have photoshop) and moving through Hiromix and up to work by artists like my friend Belkina (from moscow) the tradition of this kind of work is just as legitimate and just as evocative as any that you and i produce. Isnt photography’s power about the relationship it has with the collision between the internal and external world?, and this relationship is ALL about the viewer’s relationship to the viewer….yea, find this kind of pics fey or superficial or too self-obsessed, ok, but in TRUTH, how is any one photographers work less so: choosing to turn camera + tools outward (documentary, journalists) or inward (woodman, michals, belkina): it is still about the photographer wishing to speak about some negotiation of this waning life….yes, for me too, the difference in Emotional, Intellectual and Existential power of laura’s “Survivor” and this pic is hard to match (and in comparison to that image, yes, this photograph cannot possibly register the same impact), but we must be careful about dismissing work simply on our own photographic compass points….I prefer this kind of ‘portraiture’ to that of the frustratingly empty and superficial stuff of richard hamilton and jock sturges…is it the iconography that bugs the shit out of you or the use of photoshop?….for young teenage girls and young adult women, this image might have as much strength as anything you and I gravitate toward….isnt’ this then our responsiblity as viewers/photographers….not to ‘like’ stuff we aint about but to try to understand what makes some photography powerful for others? Doesnt this further open our own eyes and practice and enhance what we do?….I find the off-the-cuff dismissal of photography (whatever the genre) more an indication of the viewer than the work itself….no?…

    Daria:

    A beautiful, evocative and very painterly image. In fact, for me, the best approach to this pic and all the pics in your website is through painting. But i love the surreal and dark upending pictures that reimagine the ‘beauty’ or pic apart the ‘beauty’ that has so entranced Stupid and Ben ;)))….I also enjoyed your website. And this photograph, as do many of the ‘straight’ shots beckon Balthus, yes? ;)…

    BALTHUS’S “NUDE BEFORE THE MIRROR”…..and much of the work reminds me of him, but darker, less ‘observational’ and more scalping….it’s nice to see a reworking in imaginative ways this stuff…

    Are you familiar with Belkina? Belkina is a friend of mine and lives in Moscow. She too uses painting and self-exploration as a beginning point. Belkina’s PHotoshop technique (she began as a painter) is, like your own, very very strong and she also uses this technique as a starting point…If you like her, write her and tell her you’ve introduced to her from me. She’s a great person as well.

    http://www.belkina.ru/

    thanks for sharing….really enjoyed the website…especially the ‘bald head’ photographs

    cheers
    bob

  • Daria:

    A very beautiful, evocative and very painterly image. In fact, for me, the best approach to this pic and all the pics in your website is through painting. But i love the surreal and dark upending pictures that reimagine the ‘beauty’ or pic apart the ‘beauty’ that has so entranced Stupid and Ben ;)))….I also enjoyed your website. And this photograph, as do many of the ‘straight’ shots beckon Balthus, yes? ;)…

    BALTHUS’S “NUDE BEFORE THE MIRROR”…..and much of the work reminds me of him, but darker, less ‘observational’ and more scalping….it’s nice to see a reworking in imaginative ways this stuff…

    Are you familiar with Belkina? Belkina is a friend of mine and lives in Moscow. She too uses painting and self-exploration as a beginning point. Belkina’s PHotoshop technique (she began as a painter) is, like your own, very very strong and she also uses this technique as a starting point…If you like her, write her and tell her you’ve introduced to her from me. She’s a great person as well.

    http://www.belkina.ru/

    thanks for sharing….really enjoyed the website…especially the ‘bald head’ photographs

    cheers
    bob black

    Ben:

    I totally DO NOT understand (other than being ‘controversial”, try again mate ;) ), the ‘cool’ hostility toward the picture……come on Ben, you;re a smarter guy, better photographer, than having to tweak off work like a coolcrowd acolyte….Yes, you dont dig this kind of work, no big deal. Yes, this picture, isn’t journalism, and has no relationship to the kind of work you produce or you tend to admire (based on your comments here), but it is strong and imaginative and fits CLEARLY in a specific tradition of self-portraiture and now, a new body of work that uses PHotoshop as a painterly tool. Beginning with Jessica Woodman (who of course did not have photoshop) and moving through Hiromix and up to work by artists like my friend Belkina (from moscow) the tradition of this kind of work is just as legitimate and just as evocative as any that you and i produce. Isnt photography’s power about the relationship it has with the collision between the internal and external world?, and this relationship is ALL about the viewer’s relationship to the viewer….yea, find this kind of pics fey or superficial or too self-obsessed, ok, but in TRUTH, how is any one photographers work less so: choosing to turn camera + tools outward (documentary, journalists) or inward (woodman, michals, belkina): it is still about the photographer wishing to speak about some negotiation of this waning life….yes, for me too, the difference in Emotional, Intellectual and Existential power of laura’s “Survivor” and this pic is hard to match (and in comparison to that image, yes, this photograph cannot possibly register the same impact), but we must be careful about dismissing work simply on our own photographic compass points….I prefer this kind of ‘portraiture’ to that of the frustratingly empty and superficial stuff of richard hamilton and jock sturges…is it the iconography that bugs the shit out of you or the use of photoshop?….for young teenage girls and young adult women, this image might have as much strength as anything you and I gravitate toward….isnt’ this then our responsiblity as viewers/photographers….not to ‘like’ stuff we aint about but to try to understand what makes some photography powerful for others? Doesnt this further open our own eyes and practice and enhance what we do?….I find the off-the-cuff dismissal of photography (whatever the genre) more an indication of the viewer than the work itself….no?…

  • The butterflies are attracted to the heat and the light – and you know they will be burned. In the same way, Daria’s electrostatically-charged skirt and hair suggests she too is attracted to the ‘Illumination’ while simultaneously realizing via her defensive position that she will be hurt. For me this is a portrait of self-awareness through sin and guilt – and the trip it necessitates.
    I am not a big fan of combining duotone and selective colour. In this image it personalizes the woman where I would have preferred more anonymity – which may be a contradictory criticism of a self-portrait! But I hope you know what I mean…

  • … Laughing..
    Nothing worst than wanting something or Someone
    Sooo bad but Cant have them…
    .. !!
    :))))

  • bob

    i wonder why there isn’t a proliferation of semi naked self portraits by ageing male photographers in their mid 50′s?

    and if there was, would we all swoon over it?

    you know what, i think that particular genre of work would interest me more than this, simply because its not so bloody obvious.

    @mr protagoras

    i am sure there are “unsexed men” all over the world, and not just in Britain!

  • for young teenage girls and young adult women, this image might have as much strength as anything you and I gravitate toward
    ——————————
    yeah, but so did R. Hamilton that you dismissed a few sentences earlier, Bob. I am impressed by the use of light in this picture, or use of PS (I frankly have no expertise to know which is what), especially the rendering of the skin tone. I suppose we could say: what’s not to like in this picture, and somehow, you and Ben being 2 different people, and possibly 2 different moods this morning, it comes out from your pen differently. I totally DO understand Ben and I totally DO understand you, Bob…

  • Obvious. This could just as easily have originated entirely on a computer. A camera may well have been used to generate the template, but it has become redundant here, and amongst a lot of the work on the artists site. As artistic images however they are quite cute.A flip through deviantart or somesuch though reveals a whole world of analogues. But then you could say the same about any genre of photography or art i suppose. Pretty girls doing vaguely angsty self portraits; seems like they are everywhere we look these days….could be worse i suppose; could be fat old men :)
    BB homer.”.I find the off-the-cuff dismissal of photography (whatever the genre) more an indication of the viewer than the work itself….no?…” YES ABSOLUTELY! SO WHAT? Are we photographers or social workers?
    PEACE
    John [slightly bellicose today] Gladdy

  • Laughing..ben got there before me

  • Daria…
    Checking your website..
    I keep thinking of FREIDA KAHLO today..
    Man.. You made my day…
    Great
    Great
    Awesome..
    Viva Norway…
    :)))))

  • Ah yes, the haterade emerges predictably from this crowd. The roots of which can be traced back to 3 scenarios I say:

    1) Photographer who chooses not to use much Photoshoping, convinced that it somehow elevates him on some kind of platform, sees another photographer who does not think the same way getting attention, feels like that photog is somehow cheating. Dismisses it as kitsch to save ego…gnashing teeth….

    2) Photographer sees another photographer who is able to use her sex appeal to capture audiences. Bitter photographer is upset nobody wants to see him without a shirt on. Not fair…

    3) Elitist photog likes to deride any photo that does not look like it was taken with rangefinder, taken in some part of the earth with lots of dead or dying people, or taken while wearing a scarf. It is his duty to let people know REAL photography is about concocting an elitist persona and wrapping oneself in esoterica, not creating images that move people.

    Thank goodness a photo from Rebekka Guðleifsdóttir wasn’t chosen, there would be rioting in the streets.

  • BEN :))))

    NOW, YES, that’s work i could seek my teeth into as well…:)))…and, yes, i agree, but that’s not the pic here at hand….by the way, have done nude self portraits and will submit to burn that pic too, after the summer (breathing time ;)) )…all im saying is that no-one needs to dig this work or particular genre, what im saying is that, however we relate to it, or are bored by it, it’s still strong work: there are 10,000′s of photogs doing this, just as 10,000′s of photogs doing Street, Journalism, Conceptual, so my question is always: is the image/work strong, show good skill, good ideas, and stops me, then, for me, it’s been a success…i once posted a pic of yours truly’s familyjewells/family-stalk close up, big print, got taken down the next day….and here is one pic from a series i did of Men and Women (pre, mid and post coital)…this guy is a painter, 48 at the time (now 52)….anyway….no relationship at all to Daria’s work, but there does exist work out there ;)))…

    HERVE/JOHN/BEN:

    yes, u r right….i have never implied people need to be social workers or therapists when evaluating other work, especially work that they dont dig….my ONLY bitch is that being condescending toward work (dismissing this picture by essentially fixating on her as a “hot” girl)…why not just: ‘dont like it, dont like the image, the genre, the PS stuff, etc’….what’s the reason to be pretentious about discussing work??…as for Hamilton/Sturges, yes, Herve, u r totally correct…i kind of did the same…ok, so different: their work i find visually uninteresting, photographically and emotionally superficial and slightly (if not more) exploitive: like middle-age’d men pawing over pages of Teen Sports, inc…;))…oh, that’s pretentious too ;))…well, no way to get around it….ok, without pretense: I find the work of Hamilton and Sturges uninteresting, unchallengings and pedestrian. I’d rather take …. ;)))

    running
    bb

  • here’s the link to the pic of the 48 year old i photographer with his girlfriend…this is only the man…

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/524790482/sizes/o/

  • Tommy, why don’t you tell us more about what you see and get from Daria’s submission.

    Rather than offering a contribution, You added another negative post on BURN.

  • well it’s nice to see simpson has found his dummy and is back to full power sandpaper. i like the new and improved name dropping features as well as the new found degree in audience therapy. Anyway, the place feels complete again.

    Daria, i like this. it reminds me of the images i woke up to in the dorm rooms of twenty-year old girls when i was back in university. It’s a very pretty picture and in this case i don’t mean ‘pretty picture’ to demean.

    i’m certain this is a commercially valuable piece of work and if this is the genre of work you’re interested in exploring than i think it’s great and something to be proud of, i’m sure you will find a huge audience for this work, and i’m sure none of that audience would need therapy to understand why they like it, again, it’s a beautiful piece of visual art.

    one thing i started to keep in mind almost entirely through the images promoted on Burn and in particular with these types of images, is that much like the fact that good photographs don’t just fall out of cameras, pleasing images like this don’t just fall out of photoshop. Again, i’m glad Burn has endorsed this as it’s fair game, in-scope, and successful in implementation.

    Good stuff Daria.

  • why not just: ‘dont like it
    ————————–

    That’s pretty much all I read in Ben’s post, Bob. He was kind enough to point to us why.

    being condescending toward work
    ————————–

    It’s OK, and won’t make or break Daria’s career. IMO, it’s not condescending. It’s dismissive. A lot of work is dismissed, here and elsewhere. Especially thru silence and not looking. Daria may have a word for Ben speaking up at least. And of course, him doing so inspired yet one of your long eagerly-awaited paragraphs. It’s starting to be rather all positive, no? :-)))))))))))))

    HAMILTON vs ENDERSON
    —————————
    Gee, I don’t know, Bob. Let’s see how Daria evolves, I see a definitive marketable possibility in her work. It could in that process losse some of its poetry by the simple fact of commercialization, but also become manneristic… “Hamiltonarized” too, and therefore…Horror! ;-)….. Best-selling.

    What I am saying is that, apart from the picture and intent of Daria, TODAY, there could be ample discussion on the direction such type of work entails, ultimately what is it for, and also who it is for, and who really looks at it and buys it, even though these question may not be, even should not be quite in Daria’s mind today.

    PS: middle-aged men do not care if it is sincere or superficial, as long as it shows the “goodies” with the pretense, in their eyes, of artfulness. If Daria has a good PR and publisher, they can sell like pancakes.

  • It might be helpful to discuss more about how this picture makes you feel instead of focusing on pure aesthetics. Feeling and emotional response are areas where all kinds of photography can overlap whether its fine art or photojournalism or what.

    For me, I feel a bit uncomfortable – maybe because of the intimacy of the portrait, like is anyone looking over my shoulder as I look at this? And the simultaneous warmth and coolness makes me feel uncertain – is this hopeful or is this sad? I want to know more.

  • There isn’t a proliferation of semi naked self portraits by ageing male photographers in their mid 50’s because Lee cornered the stupid market.

    http://www.mocp.org/collections/permanent/uploads/Friedlander1982_52.jpg

  • The reason the photo looks photoshopped even to my stupid, untrained eyes is because we, like all good Pavlov dogs, know that all light bulbs in photos-except this one-record as orange.

    http://www.itchy-animation.co.uk/tutorials/light04.htm

  • To me they don’t look like self portraits, rather like they were taken and set up by a second photographer. I can understand people making self portraits, but Daria clearly has an obsession for it. Regardless of how they were taken and processed, they look very well executed.

  • I really like this photograph. The level of technical skill is way, way beyond me. I love the “light-pull”.

    I think that people are having problems with this photograph because it it too perfect – in a sense that life is not perfect: it has wrinkles and blemishes, doubts, fears, regrets.

    This is Fine Art and a wonderful medium for the artist to explore life and self. Congratulations Daria: please continue this self-exploration – over years – decades. The result will be fascinating. I am reminded of Jan Saudek. Exalted company Daria! Congratulations!

    Mike.

  • Jan Saudek..
    Yes Mike.. thanks..
    and Frieda Kahlo.. And Dali..
    And none of the above..
    Fine Art indeed..
    Kinds Too Much for our poor
    purists/PJ’s to comprehend or accept..
    I bet “JIM” also hates this photo…
    Not “straight” enough..
    Laughing..

  • Ohhhh .. Jeez..
    How come I didn’t notice that the
    Lightbulb is NOT orange???
    Now I hate this photo..
    :))))

    For All of the “Jims” our there:
    “did you ever returned your hamburgers
    Back just because they were fully cooked”???
    I didn’t think so..
    But how come you prefer your meal hot but your
    photographs “cold”????
    :)))

  • Mike,
    You guessed that right..
    Daria’s technical skills is
    beyond all of us here combined together..
    Laughing..
    What a gorgeous surprise!!!:)

  • Thanks a lot everyone for sharing your opinions and having this rather interesting discussion. Really glad that some of you enjoyed my work.

    David Bowen
    ———–
    If you mean any photography/PP-related education – no particular schools/courses I went to – I am 100% self-taught :)

    Protagoras
    ———-
    Frida Kahlo is one of my all-time favourites! Pleased to hear that my images reminded you of her :)
    Thank you for your support and encouragement – very kind of you.

    Homer(bb)
    ———
    Thank you, Bob! :)
    I’m a big fan of Belkina and I believe her works inspired and influenced me a lot. She is undoubtly a great artist! Never tried to contact her, but since you’re offering your reference – maybe I should :)
    I have to admit, I’m less familiar with Balthus. Now that you’ve mentioned him, I will surely check out more of his stuff (curious!)

    Jeff Hladun
    ———–
    Interesting interpretation, thanks for sharing!

    Herve
    —–
    The light is mostly PS work – all my images are shot in my bed-room with the light from the window, so if I need something special, I have no other choice but to create it in PS.

    Joe

    Thank you!
    “..much like the fact that good photographs don’t just fall out of cameras, pleasing images like this don’t just fall out of photoshop”. Amen to that!

    A Photojournalist Who Blogs
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    Appreciate your input – always fascinating to read how people “see” and how they interpret my creations.

    Mike Halminski
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    Believe it or not – I do all the work by myself.
    Not sure I understand what you meant by me having an obsession. Is it bad?
    Nice to hear that execution is on a decent level.

    Mike R
    ——
    Thank you for encouraging words, Mike! :))

    P.S. A BIG request to David or whoever is responsible – please, correct my last name – it’s spelled ENDRESEN.
    Thanks :)

  • Herve, 2 negatives > positive;) Comments are set up for dialogue, I offered my thoughts on the matter. I think the work speaks for itself, I don’t really feel like it needs my interpretation.

  • Technical skills only won’t eqaute to Photography (not talking about Daria per se). Just like virtuosity will never replace depth and emotion in a pianist’s hand. Quite a good thing to have if you master it, nut to each its own mastery. For many great photographers, technical skills were strictly pre-shooting, not post shooting. All depends how you approach what you have to say and how best to say it. That’s where the true mastery is.

    Panos, remember what you told us (maybe me only, but I think us) about Pellegrin having an assistant “adding the drama” in his pictures (from negatives). But then , here you are all “PS uber alles” (we all think PS is great, cool and a superb tool to edit/create images, btw). So, maybe: fine art+PS, thumbs up, and PJ + burn and dodging, thumbs down? How does this square with the fact that even PJ/docu work is clearly dabbing into fine art photography, and not recently?

    Who is the purist? Inquiring minds….

  • Daria,

    It took some self-discipline to be brought into this image. Once I understood some of the obstacles in doing so, I warmed-up to it and understood it better.

    Use of Photoshop: This is a social/historical hurdle to jump over. We tend to associate things that are created through electronic circuitry void of having the potential to be true art. Photography had this original argument when first compared to painting, and again when it moved into digital. I will not explore the debate further except to say that once that hurdle is overcome it is quite simple to view this image…as, well, an image. Not a painting, not a photograph…an image. An image that relies on a combination of techniques and is well presented. I have no issue if a photographer uses photoshop, photography or sculpture to present their work. When one dwells on this, one is getting lost in the reeds.

    Esthetics: There are no flaws of composition here–photoshop or not. The balance is sublime, the shadowing and play of light reinforce the intent of the picture. The pose is deliberate but fairly contained. One could do far worse than learn from the balance, attention to detail, and harmony in the image and not apply them to one’s own work regardless of individual style, or personal preference for this image.

    Yet why was it hard for me to relate and be drawn-in to this image? I consider myself quite open to artistic use of photography–and explore this medium myself in this manner. When I thought about this carefully I realized my reaction lay on two principle points:

    a) The context of where the image is presented. It is very different to see this image on the web, vs. hung on a wall, or in a story book, or as a book jacket. If I came across the image in a story book, or as an illustrative support to a story, it would make a lot of sense and I would likely not have encountered the initial misgivings about the image. Actually, the more I dwelled on where i could see this image, and tried to relate it to stories I knew, I recalled Naguib Mahfouz: “A moth overhead made love to a naked light bulb in the dead of the night.” (The Thief and the Dogs). I also imagined something in the vein of “The Arrival” by Shaun Tan. It is not an image I pay attention to on the web or on a wall, but would find it compelling if accompanied by something else–likely within the context of a fictional story. I see this image doing well in the book cover market, and generally something that distills text into visual meaning, say as the illustrative support to a novel, or as a graphic novel —(if the right order of images is presented). Indeed Daria, you seem to offer this through the poems on your web-site.

    b) Overturned by unidentified purpose. I am confused with the reason for your work, and with the actual presentation of the images. The presentation of your images jumps from sweet, to dark, to androgynous, to landscape. I wasn’t sure if this was a random collection of personal work, a series, or a university project. Each genre within its framework could work, but all together is seems a bit much and distracted me. Perhaps simple grouping would help more?

    There does seem to be a deeper vein of self-absorbed angst that revolves around the poignancy of heartbreak in many of the images. Is this lonely angst a personal expression, or simply theatric use of visual hyperbole? Despite the dark edge of many photographs (including this one) they still feel a bit too “syrupy” or “young”. This is perhaps the strongest reason for my not feeling involved in the image. The melancholy, pain, anger, all seem to come from a person who’s highest degree of suffering is young love and self exploration. Lacking is the patina of pain that comes from involvement with the world and life. It’s all very much, “ME, ME, ME” presented through use of symbolism and excellent composition, and it leaves little space for the viewer to insert themselves in the image. It’s almost as if there is no room to breath.

    It feels as if you are in the process of building something and pulling it out of you yet. Best of journeys.

    Jan

  • regardless of how much the image is liked or disliked, Daria has some serious skills and is creating something that most of us could not..my hat: am taking it off.

  • Mike H

    I am as puzzled as Daria by what you mean by “obsessed with self portraits”. It is her style and (I venture to imagine) her way of simultaneously relating more to her work and presenting herself to others more honestly. I would consider this being true to form and consistent rather that “obsessed”. In counter-point, would a photographer that does not have self-portraits be considered “obsessed with NOT-having self-portraits?

    I agree that some of Daria’s work seems to be taken by another person, but that speaks enormously well of her ability to master herself in front of the lens, as well as her skill behind it.

    Generally speaking…

    I think self-portraits are some of the hardest pictures to take, and a very taxing personal commitment to ones’ work. You can never blame anybody but yourself. You are not at the mercy of a model or of serendipity–only yourself, and the shortcomings you have between the vision in your head and how you manage to compose it. Unlike painting where you have a nearly infinite means of beginning an image, with photography –and even more so with self-portraits- you have set parameters from which to build from. Overcoming and yet integrating this raw material (ie. you and what you are photographing–as opposed to creating) is extremely challenging, and therefore most fun for those who venture down the path. It also requires great self discipline from yourself acting as your own model. How you wish to present your features and body, and the esthetic implications of that. eg. Trivial things such as tan lines, hair-cut or fitness (or lack of) all play an important part in the image you want to convey, but perhaps you yourself do not embody that—then how to you transform yourself into that figure you wish to present?

    (P.S. enjoyed your Hattersasman essay.)

  • DARIA…

    there are three of us now in my loft all looking at how i spelled your family name in this post and how you say you want me to spell it…it sure looks the same to all three of us…yes, ENDRESEN…that is exactly the way i published…?????????

    cheers, david

  • BEN…ALL

    one of my objectives here is to stimulate discussion…whether or not this genre of photography is your cup of tea , has indeed stimulated you and others to write….isn’t that the point??

    in this particular case, i also thought Daria just might be perceived as quite the intelligent business woman…these are not sloppy “chic pics” (your term)….Daria has used ALL of her resources quite masterfully…her whole presentation on her website is very very clever (mixing landscapes with self portraits, provocatively hiding the nudes) and i would imagine her prints sales might be better than most within a certain clientele and i have a feeling she knows her audience quite well….

    in our brave new world of finding our niche audiences, Daria might well be out there ahead of the game… surely this style of photography is worthy of discussion …

    as i have explained to you before , i pull pictures for BURN from pictures the readers submit….i will always welcome all styles, for many different reasons…I would also be quite pleased if you or others pointed me in the direction of photographers you know who may have work i do not know…you also my friend are invited to submit….i wish you would .. i like your work…

    in any case Ben, this photograph certainly departs from where we were 24 hours ago…and 24 hours from now, we will go somewhere else…

    stay tuned….

    cheers, david

  • Protagoras(panos)

    Herve..
    My “problem” with Pellegrin
    was the “mood enhancers” he used in a “pJ”-straight world..
    Daria or Dali or Kahlo are
    SURREALISTS..
    they supposed to use photoshop,
    Enhancers or any kind of drugs..
    There is no other way..
    Don’t get confused..
    Paolo is a war photographer.
    he doesn’t need photoshop..
    But Daria dives into the subconcious..
    She has to use PS..
    :)

  • for the record, i never said “sloppy”. and i’m well aware of the technical competence. i guess i’m just unmoved by the intentions..

    i have no doubt that this kind of photography will make lots of money and print sales. great. i sincerely wish daria the best of luck.

  • dammit, i’m not very good at typing without it looking sarcastic. i do, honestly, wish daria (and any photographer for that matter) the best of luck making a living through their art… :-)

  • whether or not i like it personally.

    3 posts in a row. i’m turning into panos. where’s the “edit post” function when you need it?

  • Wow, Erica, yes, you are right, BUT: there are incredible photo+PS work to be seen on many sites, of which “most of us could not create”. Actually, I am reminded of Jim’s “non-professional/coterie public” argument a while ago. People are totally bowled over by such dexterity. A zillion times over “moment” photography, where technique is to serve not a conceptual idea, but on the contrary, to serve and not to ever overwhelm that moment (That’s Panos, You I believe, Patricia, DAH, etc… loose, straight, or whatever). You take Pbase, flickR, Pnet, artificial creations leave the appreciation of “moment” photography in the dust, so to speak. People are dazzled, and the virtuosity becomes the ART .

    I simply do not recognize you (or anyone here if they’d written that), thinking there is a point to be made in photos that dazzle for their technique wether disliked or liked. I mean, yes, that’s nice, that’s impressive, but it should carry no weight(1), unless serving a higher end (which matters a damned lot!).

    So I guess it’s the “regardless disliked ir liked” that makes me react.

    (1) unless seen as sport. Pro athletes, champions do things we can only dream about.

  • Daria! :))

    Please, write Belkina and tell her I told you to write her. If you’re afraid, drop me a note, and i’ll write an email to both of u to set up a contact….she’s a very quiet person, but loving and approachable…and of course, great artist and terrific person :))….

    would be my pleasure to introduce the 2 of you…

    cheers
    bob

  • Protagoras(panos)

    Ben..:)
    ( smiling/ no sarcasm..)
    Turning into panos is not a bad thing!
    Again
    Big hug:)

  • Daria,

    Are you familiar with Remedios Varo? If not I thought you might enjoy her.

    http://www.turingmachine.org/remedios/expo.html

    Jan

  • (cool thread again. Thanks Ben…And Bob. ypu started us up)

    PANOS

    My “problem” with Pellegrin was the “mood enhancers” he used in a “pJ”-straight world.Paolo is a war photographer.he doesn’t need photoshop..
    ————————

    Said who?

    Here’s his intro quote on the Magnum site: Quote: “I’m more interested in a photography that is ‘unfinished’ – a photography that is suggestive and can trigger a conversation or dialogue. There are pictures that are closed, finished, to which there is no way in.”

    I think David would be more eloquent than ne to make the point that Pellegrin, even though interested on covering conflict, is not a “straight” WAR photographer. That what got him into Magnum had to do with not being just that. His last sentence, I think this is what is called straight WAR photography: ie. this what I saw, and I shot it so you can see it too and know what is going on. He can do straight, BTW, but that wouldn’t get him into early 21st century MAGNUM, IMO.

    I am a bit on your side, nevertheless, about him, and if his assistant is so changing his own images, the work should be seen as dual, him AND her (I think it’s a She)

    Last: War is surreal too! ;-)

  • Protagoras(panos)

    cmon Herve..
    Enough with that photoshop talk..
    We exhausted that in the past..
    But just for u I’ll bite..
    The “unfinished” pellegrin you
    Mentioned above was the early Pellegrin..
    I was talking about the “latest” pellegrin..
    The PS one..
    And again I love the guy..
    Either with a point and shoot Olympus and no PS
    or with a 5D and a PS guru..
    I still love him.. I say he don’t need a PS guru..
    But it’s fine either way.. I will STOL sleep tonight
    believe it or not..
    Big Hug!!
    :)

  • Protagoras(panos)

    i meant to say:”I will still sleep tonight..”
    Laughing..
    Effing iPhone :)))))

  • So finally DeviantArt found it’s way to this blog. Another girl with a lack of self-confidence which has to photoshop pictures to reassure her that she’s attractive, at least in the manipulations. How dull.

    I don’t dare to call this a photograph. One or a few photographs were merely the base for an image which only remotely has to do with photography.

    What a shame to torture the readers with this.

  • Protagoras-panos-whatever you are called today. You dont half talk some nonsense sometimes.

    regards darias image
    Interesting set of opinions and camps.

    I have no problem with the image as an image[as stated earlier]. It dont do anything for me, but its what it is quite well, and the potatoshopping is good.
    but..
    In mY opinion
    This is NOT a photograph.
    It is a perfectly harmless piece of whimsy art that happened to be born in some sort of camera.
    This is NOT a SELF portrait.
    It is a stylized theatrical still life. It is a clown suit.

    j

  • Protagoras(panos)

    Angus..
    Honestly..
    Get the f**k out of here..
    What do u know about confidence or girls…

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