Front Porch No. 3

FRONT PORCH NO. 3    by dah

171 Responses to “Front Porch No. 3”


  • Even the sheer act of taking a photo is editing. By filtering the situation through your mind and deciding to take that particular image rather than something else is actually a type of editing. Cheers :-)

  • EVA

    i re read everything you wrote…and i do not disagree with any of it, yet maybe we have slightly different conclusions even based on agreement of the same set of facts…hell, that happens….in any case I LIKE (and take pride in) the fact that my work is full frame and no photoshop…film or digi….does anybody care? don’t know and i don’t care back…it is just my thing….just like you like the way you work, i like the way i work, and yet none of THAT matters artistically…it is motive, not end result…anyway we could go around and around with subtle semantic differences and i am 99% sure we would come to very close the same summation…

  • Doing homework.. not only OJ Simpson, not only digital manipulation (I also remember the missing thumb on Dorothea Lange’s picture):

    http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html

  • I feel really bad that tom had a red shirt on and got left out of the picture. :)

  • David..

    Thank you for helping put back most worms into the can.. those missing, well, Civi’s chicken will take care of them ;)

  • I only feel bad about the red shirt.

  • YOUNG TOM …JOHN

    can’t go wrong with black…dresses up , dresses down, gets you anywhere in town…

  • Tom… red is not nearly as authentic as black! ;^}

  • EVA

    putting worms back into cans has been a lifelong effort…usually because i am the one who let the worms out of the can in the first place…

  • And yet, red is still better than white if you’re in a blacklight lit Bangkok joint. I think I may have blinded everyone there. Yep, Johnny Cash way to go.

  • i’ll tell you what really depresses me…..

    and angers me…

    and lay at the heart of why i rarely write at Burn anymore….it’s the bloody arrogance and the almost ridiculous nature with which photography and photographers are spoken about here…

    this conversation, case in point….

    do any of you know Diarmait?….do any of you know what film he uses (though normally I couldn’t give a ratt’s ass about this, but since it seems to be part and fucking parcel to this absurd conversation about authenticity)?…do you know that in fact he hand prints his pictures…and thus the frames….that he exhibited this work in print size of 8×10, printed himself?….

    and what happens here?….one person suggests that he sees Diarmait’s series as potentially being shot in digi (and if it were, fuck all, who cares) and then ‘tricked’ by printing as rebate ….or worse now, which has been suggested, printed/worked with a software that mimics the tonality and texture and grain of b/w….like a bloody amateur tea club talking about the great shit they plan to do meanwhile plodding and sodding of others…

    and I AM surprised with John…a man who continually speaks about beautiful prints, hangs them on the wall, proudly and talks about that and yet is the first person to jump in here…and then eva with her pride about printing in her own darkroom…well…i’m not as old as john or david, and i have used film long enough and printed in darkrooms long enough to see the distinction….and even it were digi with software frames, who cares….

    but, because we happen to have a mutual friend, though i haven’t met Diarmait personally, i can tell you this simple thing: he shoots with film, he prints the damn things by hand…and that fact that this takes the route of accusation (1st) and then banter (2nd) and then plods on to a conversation about what is authentic, a few above suggesting that their soup is in fact more authentic because they’re honest about what they do?…on inferences from that being that what Diarmait has done is not…

    won’t even jump into the nonsensical conversation about what is authenticity, particular in a discussion of photography, but y’all would do well to look Diarmait in the eye, directly, for one…rather, have a listen to him…..at 23:00 he talks about working with film, printing etc….

    bloody hell…

    http://vimeo.com/21210188

    Comments/commentators/opinions more important here than the photographers themselves if often seems to me….and i feel partly responsible for that with all i’ve written over the last 3 years….

    just incredibly depressing….reflect upon this inane discussion and particularly those who suggested that his work was somehow inauthentic because it was posing as ‘film’ etc….

    take a good hard look at what drives you to do this…and banter off….

    i wonder…

    best of luck

  • Bob
    Don’t let it depress you
    Or
    Anger you….
    It’s just dialogue…
    Web communication is tricky….
    It’s all
    Passion,
    And that’s a beautiful thing……
    Peace
    Love
    And
    Photography….
    :)
    ***

  • Bob there is a bit of confusion with the authenticity comments some comment on the digital/film aspect
    others like me were referring to his statement
    “Authenticity is what I’m striving for. I only want to work in a territory that I’m intimately familiar with. The raw material of the work is natural, but as soon as an image is made it becomes a kind of fiction. I find that tension between truth and fiction, objectivity and subjectivity, to be endlessly fascinating.”……… I don’t mind the statement but the authenticity part is a pie in the sky

  • the digital/film aspect………..is as stupid as should one take drugs orally or via a needle

  • Bob, pull yourself together lad. ‘tsallgood

  • Bob..

    I occasionally, rarely and for a very short time, take pride when I see what my kids, coming from the place they come (and that includes having me as their mom, more of a hinderance than anything else) achieve in life. That’s it about pride.

    I can’t see where John or I have accused anyone of anything, we’re not on trial, questioning what one does or why (as in questioning oneself, not others) to me is a positive thing, keeps the mind open.. having opinions doesn’t mean one is arrogant.. and I’m almost sure I’m older than John.

  • …and im almost sure bobs older than both of us.

    And bob, I said ” please tell me im not seeing….” and you have just told me.
    Whats your problem? Are you always the rest of the worlds dad?

    A question was asked. Some statements (for and against) were made. and now the question is seemingly answered.
    Everybody learns something new about themselves or the the world.

    …..and for the record, I still think them borders is odd. Doable, I guess, if you are using a contact frame or just two bits of glass without a holder…but odd nonetheless.

  • Just put up my latest post in my Loft Workshop series, titled,

    David Alan Harvey Workshop, entry 9: Riding down Humiliation Road with nothing to show for myself, I watched as some superb essays came together; a few drops of rain fell upon my camera

    Here is the master link to it and all those before it and those still to be done (close to the end now):

    http://www.logbookwasilla.com/logbookwasilla/tag/david-alan-harvey-loft-workshop

  • Sometimes, when I write and proofread, I think I have written a word, sentence, or phrase that I have actually left out and do not catch because my mind includes it even though it is not there. I did that tonight not on a a word, but one of my workshop peers, who I had in my head as I went down the list putting in names and projects, but that peer is there now

  • Bill. The Universe sure was testing you out that week. Cant wait to hear how it finished up.

  • Bob, if it really does make you that angry and depressed to read people talking about photography, you probably should stay away from the comments. It’s really not worth negatively affecting your health over. I’m not being snarky, I enjoy most of your comments, but to let it affect you irl? Not worth it.

    It’s too bad for those who get published here though. I’m sure your positive, to put it mildly, comments on people’s essays is one of the best things about being published on Burn for many. It would be nice if you could continue doing that and shut out all the rest, but you should really do what’s best for you.

  • I couldn’t give fucking crap if it was photoshopped or shot with film. The frames keep bothering me, they grate on me and distract me from the images. Slight blemish on a beautiful and personally highly inspiring set of pictures. Why inspiring to me? Because I get the impression these are all single images which the photographer has slowly taken over time and masterfully thought of an idea/theme to make an essay. Masterful to me because I as of yet haven’t accomplished, this simple feat.
    BTW image 17 and 18 have exactly the same borders and I mean EXACTLY the same. Does it matter? NO

    And I want Bob back here I miss his words. :)

  • Ok.. who feels like it, got to picture 11 of the essay, and open a new tab with this link and compare the two:

    http://www.groganphotography.com/images/014.jpg

    In my opinion, the picture works much much better if it stands alone, in the link posted. That is what I mean when I say ‘technic is overriding the picture’.. and little does it matter if it is analogue or digital. That does not mean that one thing or the other is better, generally speaking. I only express MY preferences.

  • BOB…

    i think we all feel the same here from time to time….but again, here is just here…it is just us…this family….this extended family….you can get mad at your family, and stomp out the door..we have all done it i am sure…i mean those closest to me, my sons, my mom, my brother, etc often say things that just don’t make sense to me…they see something totally different or have interpreted differently and then SAY something that is just CRAZY…yes, my mom too!!

    so there are those who may be against us out in the cold cruel world…but those folks are not HERE…your friends are here Bob….you are an integral part of this dysfunctional family….and Bob Black comments ARE a Burn mainstay….

    i could go on, but i really do have to write this OBX text…it is short but it has to be right on…not for THEM, but for me….

    all is good Bob…we can chat by phone in a couple of days…OR you can come to new york and help with Rio on the wall…and we can talk about Loomings which will be upcoming soonest….after all,this will be your most important comment…your work….just focus on your work…the rest of us can just chat away about this and about that…as Michael says , nobody wants Burn to somehow be detrimental to your health….i want the opposite for you and for everyone…

    you know damn well that if Eva and John and you and i were sitting at a sidewalk cafe right now, there would be no problem…there would only be an electric good vibe…right?

    ok, gotta run amigo…please enjoy this day…the world is chaos…but please find some solace here with us…your very imperfect friends and family….

    cheers, abrazos, david

  • Digital photography is cheap, bland, store bought instant soup. Film is like a lovingly crafted gourmet meal. You know, more “authentic.” And oh yeah… Fake borders! Authenticity! That’s what we need!

    Gah!

  • Now you’re just making shit up to try and re-kindle the fire….cheap shot.
    lets move on to something more Important maybe

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

  • BOB BLACK. Do you have an email? I have an olive branch here I would like you to see and need to post it to you…..Skype will do at a pinch….or you can ignore this and I will have to drink the bottle of 10 year old Bushmills single malt that I have been saving for when we meet, all by myself :)))))

    Come to think of it…..ignore this :)

  • Hello, everyone…

    Anything pressing I should just absolutely catch up on, or should I just look at the pictures and start reading from here?

  • Andrew, nothing life-changing, just look at the pictures.

  • Eva…

    Yes I agree, works so much better, but of course that is just so personal. As far as I’m concerned this work is of such a high quality it needs nothing extra.

  • Andrew,

    Status quo. Another drive by rant by Bob

  • It sure felt like it, John. In fact, it still does…

  • a civilian-mass audience

    Can I sing Now?

  • a civilian-mass audience

    I am busy …working out there…IMF is here…got to pay some bills…Yes,BILL,FROSTY…
    I will be paying some visit to your home too…

    I LOVE YOU ALLLLL…be healthy,be strong..keep arguing …keep the flames on…keep coming back…
    keep telling it as it is…keep it real…keep it humble…
    and always,always…remember:

    the journey…that what it counts!
    where is my ouzo MTFS*???

    *my true friends

  • Good, Civi… waiting for you.

    Cats wait, too.

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    Does this mean that Wikipedia itself is violating copyright laws, or hosting pirated content?
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  • I woke up with a big smile today… here is why:

    http://instagr.am/p/ie6yb/

  • and speaking about “dysfunctional families”… its global…

    http://instagr.am/p/ie8z4/

  • anyway, since everyone asleep, see ya all later

    big hugz

    http://instagr.am/p/ij-VK/

  • PANOS

    i am awake…your latest set of pictures on Venice Beach are just amazing…looking forward to getting your book rolling….gonna be a great one….

  • I have one more batch of photos nobody seen yet … Not even me actually .. About 4 gig.. Not much but “something” good is “hiding” there I know…
    Yes I’m Ready for the Birth of Venice.. I’m “pregnant” now for quite a while.. Hopefully sooner than later..

    In the meantime , Lola Da Dogg is funny and sending happy thoughts to ALL..

    http://instagr.am/p/inebw/

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