poll….

for sure you cannot pick up a newspaper or turn on the television in the U.S. and not see the latest "poll results" regarding the choosing of the next leader of the "free world"…polls, polls, and more polls….we have an international readership here, but i suspect the choice of the next President of the United States is of concern to one and all…

with world financial markets crashing all around us, and an almost doomsday paranoia seeping into the souls of even the most optimistic, certainly what happens on November 1 is of more than passing interest….

while the U.S. cannot be blamed for ALL that is wrong in the world today, it must surely bear a lot of responsibility…if a country rises to prominent world power, it must "take the heat" when things are a mess…and i think we can safely say that things are not exactly "tidy"….

this is a photo blog…..by some kind of unspoken consensus, we have all pretty much agreed here to not talk about religion , sex, or politics (the three most interesting topics in the world), but concentrate instead on the philosophy and practice of becoming better photographers….of course, everyone knows that becoming a better photographer is primarily about "awareness" and not necessarily knowing how many megapixels aunt Mary has in her new "point and shoot"…

so, on a sunny bright  morning here on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, 20 miles from the largest military complex in the world, and  as i prepare to photograph a military family,  i have decided to take my own international poll…

since we really should not  go into politics here , i will couch this poll in photographic terms …you may fantasize either digital or film…black & white or color…..

who would you most like TO PHOTOGRAPH in January of 2009….Obama or McCain???

509 Responses to “poll….”


  • neither….

    politicians come and go, just as empire come and go, but the faces of the lives of the people that persist are what matter…

    appropriate in light of all the discussion:

    “Nous sommes, nous tous, les pèlerins qui se battent le long de différents sentiers vers la même destination.”-saint-exupery

    those who dont know french:

    “We are, all of us, pilgrims who struggle along different paths toward the same destination”-s-e

    до свидания

  • afraid of being forgotten in the end of the last post…

    ALL

    i had several issues when updating comments on my blog reader, but now it works!!!

    http://jnss.x10hosting.com/dah_reader/

    MARCIN
    i like your color photos. I’m asking myself the same questions…wanting to make everything simple…not easy…

    ANTON
    i looked at Birgit presentation, love it!!!
    I’m happy for you, that you achieve to make something ‘finished’, even nothing is never finished…
    Congratulations.

    PANOS
    i like your Dark Child #2, i prefer it to the first serie.

    ERICA
    I think your 4×5 work can lead to something very interesting, good luck!!!
    Just a question, you seem to use a lot medium format, does it bring you something that digital doesn’t have? Just collecting answers to my own questions, to make my decisions about hypothetical projects…thanks!!!

    HERVE
    you made me laugh a lot
    Coluche!!!

    CRISTINA
    i love your photos. N° 10 is wonderful to me.
    thank you.

    BOB
    I love St Exupéry!!!

    peace to all

  • who would you most like TO PHOTOGRAPH in January of 2009?

    1) ordinary people
    2) aliens
    3) my wife (forever)
    4) Cate Blanchett

    hhhmmmm…. I not see any Obamas and McCains also….

  • BOB
    i take your comment to mean that it doesn’t make any difference who the president of this country might be…
    perhaps i may have completely misread you?

    ANDREW S
    from the last dah post…
    many many powerful images on your site; not certain that the new brazil work is up to the level of the others as a whole yet some powerful shots… i understand that it is a work in progress… someone said a couple of them were “allardesque” and i agree… some are “DAH-esque” too… not that that’s a bad thing! … samba / dancing… where’s the joy? … based on your site you seem like a serious guy, thoughtful… and WAY TALENTED… please keep shooting and sharing, your work is as good as anyones, in fact better than most… Panos said he’d comment, curious to hear his take… Erica’s comments seem on the mark as far as looking closer to home for subject matter…

    DAH:
    BHO is my man. the hate coming out of the palin rallies is staggeringly depressing. we exist in a troubled world.

    PEOPLE:
    please vote.

    JD

  • ….by some kind of unspoken consensus, we have all pretty much agreed here to not talk about religion , sex, or politics …..

    who would you most like TO PHOTOGRAPH in January of 2009….?

    OBAMA… because he is NOT religious ( although he acts like one )
    because he is SEXY….. ( he has a hot wife )
    ……………because he doesn’t look like a Politician ( although he really is ONE OF THEM )

    either way though
    … recession, depression, financial disaster, stock market crash…
    all that is coming fast … like an avalanche coming down the mountain…
    no Obama or McCain can save us from Bush’s DESTRUCTION….
    not even the LOTTO can save us from all the stealing,
    all the corruption , all the nastiness that being introduced by G.W.B…..
    and his war loving party…

  • half of the money of this country already been spent..
    for camp David renovations ( G.W.Bushe’s palace )..
    strippers, ESCORT SERVICES, lots of cocaine and
    generally “good- republican- times”…

    7:54 am..
    morning y’all…
    i already feel ready for a beer…
    ( the japanese market is also about to crash…)

    who can really fix all that mess??? coz we all know who did it !!!!

    peace
    peace???? what the hell is that ??????

  • i would LOVE to photograph McCain screaming…. “what the fuck was i thinking picking her?”

  • Wonder what BOB meant by

    “last comment for me on the blog….”

    anyone notice that?
    but BOB just posted again here so maybe I am misunderstanding?

    What’s up BOB? :))

  • I already have photographed Obama pre-election
    which was a great FUN experience. I even got some positive comments on the photos.

    So of course I’d like to do it again. :))

    We’re in deep shit here…It’s going to be almost impossible for Obama (or anyone) to pull this country out of the mess it’s in but I’d sure like to see him have the opportunity to try.

    Most have seen these already… here again, Obama in Espanola, New Mexico.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/30716737@N08/sets/72157607836295661/show/

  • If this is a poll and the question is between the two (no write-ins) I would say I would most like to photograph McCain in January, (bw, MF) because this is a man who already wears many stories on his face and in his eyes, and insh’allah in January 20, 2009 he will not be sworn into office..Not that I personally wish McCain to suffer additional pain or adversity, but as far as photographic fodder goes, I feel that McCain would make for the more emotional portrait, and perhaps for a memorable time piece.

    DAH

    Lester never received his print from you..can you ask Michael if it was sent to a Singapore address / when / tracking..Les contacted me asking for a little aid in figuring this out.

    Also regarding DRR, do you know what the specs are for file sizes..as I have to scan everything I want to make sure I have it right before I start my final scans. Any idea if DRR hosts MM? Not that I will be ready most likely, but just in case..or would you rather the only the stills be shown without the accompanying audio..

    BOB

    are you stepping away?

    ALL

    messages (and long winded at that, left to many of you on the last thread..)

  • ALL – the slideshow for LOOK3 2008 finally is up on the site…. check it out… http://www.look3.org

  • Who will I celebrate seeing as the newly-elected president of the U.S. on November 5, 2008? Why, President Barack Obama, of course!

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/102669822

    in confidence
    Patricia

  • Gina,

    I love photos, places are splendid…
    I looked plane tickets to New York (I didn’t find a ticket to Charlottesville)… perhaps, I shall be present…

  • AUDREY – check flights to Washington, DC (Dulles airport) too. There is a bus from NYC – cville and DC is 2 hrs from cville.

  • “Trust that it is the heart that sees before the head can see…” [Thomas Carlyle]

    I’ve witnessed just one candidate who speaks consistently FROM the heart and TO the hearts of so many, both in and outside of America. Just one candidate with the potential to restore hope and heart to a wounded nation.

    For me the connection between heart and imagery is everything so my vote in this poll (and the election too if only the INS would fast track my citizenship request)…

    …victorious, grainy, bw, timeless images of Barack Obama being sworn in as POTUS, noon, January 20th, 2009.

  • DAVID et al …

    Either, and their entourage, as long as it was backstage, on the trail, and personal, linking the moments with their greater sociological imagination … or lack thereof as the case may be … but not Quaylin, who will be just a very small footnote in history i suspect.

    BOB …

    I understand what you are saying Bob, and I am not sure of what you mean by the “people who persist,” perhaps you mean in a very personal way, but aren’t you being just a little intellectually, or philosophically, elitist in your dismissal of those who do in fact end up shaping many individual lives even if in a broader context? I think you and I have both worked for politicians, and seen the D.C. bubble on the inside, yes? I have seen much to dislike, mistrust and dismiss but I have also seen politics translate into meaningful change in individual lives. And I would certainly like to see some leadership shifts from the politics of fear to the politics of hope and I don’t think the impact of this change on the individual milieu and collective milieux can be underestimated. Bob, you know I greatly respect your viewpoint, everyone’s, so this is a discussion, not an attack. And yes, Mills’ work is a good read in these days, and important for humanisitic photographers especially ;-)

    CATHY …

    And Cathy, I had not seen those, thanks for posting the link again … excellent, a great broader sense of the event, Obama in context, really enjoyed that :)))
    I assume you didn’t have press credentials which is increasingly of benefit if you know what I mean.

    yamas, tom

  • In January 2009, rather than photograph Obama or McCain (of whom there are already far too many photographs), I would take a self-portrait.

    The subject of the self-portrait would be far more important to the well-being of society and world than either Obama or McCain or anybody else.

    Gnothi Seauton!

  • Bob leaving? What!? Yeah, what’s up Bob?

  • I mean, you understand this is the Hotel California, right?

  • I can’t personally imagine photographing either gentleman, nor wanting to. And that is simply because it is extremely unlikely that I would find myself in a situation where we were interacting as equals, in any environment that wasn’t totally controlled and scripted by handlers and Secret Service agents. And I do my best to avoid such situations! It comes down to “I have no business photographing Obama or McCain, because I have no business being with Obama or McCain.”

    I think Simon G has a point here (I think everybody probably has a point here, especially Marcin L and Bob Black!), but the conclusion I draw is the opposite of Simon’s… rather than turning the camera on myself, which in a way is having the camera take a picture of the camera… I realized long ago that what I see around me, what I come in contact with, the people I meet, and how I interact with them, is who I am… and to ‘know thyself’ as Simon counsels, is (for me, anyway) to know the world through my own experience of it.

    One reason I treasure this forum so much is the ‘reciprocity’ here. People not only speak to each other, they listen to each other. Rather than trying to score points, they try to understand… and sometimes respond to the spirit of what someone is trying to say, rather than getting hung up on the particular way they say it.

    A society that is really free would be one in which all relations were characterized by what I call ‘reciprocity.’ Can we sit down and have a real discussion? And, in a way, although my talents as a photographer are woefully inadequate for expressing this, it is the attitude I try to bring to photographing these days… not to seek out photo events for their own sake, but to take pictures almost in passing as I live my life, meet the people I meet, gaze on the natural landscapes that surround me, have the conversations I have… and if my photos show me somewhat distant and aloof form the world, or hesitant to ‘get too close’ to an old woman’s face, so be it… that is an accurate reflection of who I am at this point of my life.

    I hope that ideologies of hope, inclusiveness, optimism, and willingness to change and learn will prevail in America on election day, but not because I have high expectations of what any candidate will actually accomplish once in office… I know too much history, my memory is too deep, to believe that much of their agendas will come to pass… reality and the unexpected will intervene, unforeseen crises will arise, pressures will cause them to alter their goals and their expectations, at the very least to compromise, and maybe end up doing the opposite of what they promise.

    In a way, a national election campaign is like a country taking a portrait of itself… in the midst of global upheaval, rearrangement, and widespread disillusionment (and I don’t mean just about banks or Wall Street or George Bush or even America), how do we collectively as a people wish to see ourselves? And to be seen for posterity?

  • Of course that Obama.
    Being a foreign in the US, I think that portraits of people like McCain are getting too common and too old.

    cheers don David

  • Extremely well said Sidney and certainly I am naive to believe there is such a thing as true “access” anymore in this age of scripted reality, that my own caveat for wishing to photograph either and, truth be told in my heart, it would be Obama, could in fact occur in any small way and yet, I still believe it could, in small moments. Not everything can be orchestrated or controlled and a few truths still slip through the curtain now and again.

    I greatly appreciate what you say regarding the self portrait and understand a bit better the points of Bob, Marcin L. and Simon. And certainly, portraits of people in America today, a wide diversity of people in America today on the eve of this election, will have as much significance today and in the future as any photos of would-be presidents … perhaps even more as a true mirror of us at this point in time … but for me that does not lessen the importance of the candidates themselves, who they truly are, if that can be captured amidst the handlers.

    And I still choose to believe that progress can come, in small steps and without full realization of the ideology to be sure and as you say, but still … I hope, I hope for change, I hope there is still some humanity in Washington, in the candidates … that they can, in fact, sit down and talk, be, like real people.

    Have we all lost hope? Are we all feeling trapped and powerless in current history? And just when I am recovering from cynicism. Nuts.

    Sydney, my thoughts in the spirit of reciprocity :)))

    tom

  • I’d get some satisfaction photographing McCain watching Obama getting sworn in.

    ——

    Okay, project process time. Here are portraits of some of the bullriders from last night… It’s one attempt to answer the question, “Who are these guys?” I foresee something like this playing a small part of the overall ‘Thirst for Grit’ project.. I’m trying to fill all of the voids eventually, no matter how small.

    http://rosenfieldphotography.com/data/web/Rodeo_SanMarcos_2008_BW/index.html

    As I typically say, I may try this again but differently next time. We’ll see.

  • SIDNEY, TOM H,

    “I realized long ago that what I see around me, what I come in contact with, the people I meet, and how I interact with them, is who I am… and to ‘know thyself’ as Simon counsels, is (for me, anyway) to know the world through my own experience of it.”

    This is precisely what I believe, and what I mean by the self-portrait: really looking at yourself and being *aware* of the way you think, the way you act and your relationship to others and trying your best to understand yourself better and better. Through this, you will understand human nature, and other humans, better.

    I agree with everything you say about history, about the candidates and about reality and the unexpected, and I don’t think this is being cynical. Of course I care about the world and have my own opinions about each candidate, but I don’t for a second believe that faith in a politician or guru of any sort will make the world a better place; on the contrary, it will create antagonism and division (like the lines on maps I’ve talked about before).

    I don’t know what the solution is, but I am certain that it will come from thinking things through for myself and acting under my own iniative rather than pinning my hopes on somebody else and making judgments based on what others say, especially politicians and religious figures whose main job is often propaganda anyway. *Real* change, *real* happiness, the finding of *reality*, can only come from *inside*.

  • well.. bobs gone then.. that was rather an odd goodbye.. enigmatic, sure.. odd also..

    cheers bob.. hope your tributaries are easy to navigate and the river flows gently to source.. sorry to see you leave.. bump into you on lightstalkers i guess..

    photos..
    obama is the face and washington is the place, although i’d rather spend film on people with less loft goals than president :o)

  • FROM BOB FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT

    last comment for me on the blog….

    appropriate in light of all the discussion:

    “Nous sommes, nous tous, les pèlerins qui se battent le long de différents sentiers vers la même destination.”-saint-exupery

    those who dont know french:

    “We are, all of us, pilgrims who struggle along different paths toward the same destination”-s-e

    до свидания

    Posted by: bobblack | October 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM

  • I’m in Venice…
    Waiting for Anna B.. To shoot the
    craziness.. But.. What happened over here?
    What am I missing?
    Peace

  • It’s really none of my business…as BOB said it’s his path to take…

    but I hope his leaving has nothing to do with BOB’S experience in NY or anything that was said or not said about Bones? The timing seems too much of a coincidence.

    :((

  • “who would you most like TO PHOTOGRAPH in January of 2009….Obama or McCain???”

    Tina Fey

  • DAH,

    As said by someone in response to your question, it would be the candidate I found myself in the company of. Considering my political standing it would be Obama if any candidate. However, I think whatever neighborhood I am in at the time of the announcement of the winner would be a great place to be. And the most interesting place, too.

    Lance, you do those cowboys GOOD. Your B&W work is impressive–tells the grit of the story.

    Politics, sex and religion–neither one a topic that is offensive…just sometimes the tone of the conversation gets a bit too radical and pointless.

    Lee

  • LANCE

    I love the cinemagraphic feel of 1, 2, 3, 7, 11..nicely done! How did you light these?

  • Bush, Rumsfeld & Cheney behind bars…

    or perhaps Palin moose hunting…

    The Obama family in the White House .

  • ERICA

    Thanks.. this cinemagraphic feel concerns me a little. . I want to sleep on it. I need to be careful to stay ‘consistent’ in my voice for this project. Although I like some of these pictures, they’re too fresh to me now to realize if they ‘fit’ or not. I’m thinking in terms of an eventual book. And for that I want to answer the question, ‘who are these guys?’ Which is what I’m attempting here.

    Okay, anyway I lit them with two lights.. a little larger grid (about 18″ square) to camera right and a more specular light to camera left. If I could have balanced the ambient light better I would have, but the power on the lights was all the way down, and the shutter was about 1/8 sec. so I was in danger of ‘ghosting’. It still works for me though especially b/c I’m not too crazy about the setting.

  • ERICA…

    we definitely sent the print to Lester a long time ago..i signed it and sent it weeks ago….and with the address i believe you gave us…we never heard from him directly…hmmm, curious….anyway, i will check with Mike to see what he knows…

    CATHY…

    i think if you go back and read Bob’s report of his New York experience, he would not be leaving for anything that happened there…as a matter of fact i cannot find where he says he is leaving…where is this comment?? did i miss something somewhere??? also, i have not read or said anything other than positive things about “Bones”….hmmmmmmm

    SIDNEY….

    well put amigo…good perspective…

    by the way, i have not forgotten you and your slide shows..i think you know i saw each three times..would it be possible to have a phone conversation with you???

    cheers, david

  • DAVID

    Unfortunately it is not so easy to reach me by phone! Try calling me at (360)-715-1646… it is often busy (my dial-up connection) and sometimes will just ring and ring.. if you get the answer machine, try leaving a message… I may well be here and will pick up when I hear you talking… after 9 PM East Coast time (6 here) or before 11:30 AM ET (8:30 here) are best… tonight would be fine. Otherwise either leave a number to call or email me at satkins@telcomplus.net with a number and a good time to call you. Sorry to be so inaccessible… don’t take it personally! And there’s no hurry at all if you are, as I suspect, working on an intense schedule. Deeply appreciate your attention to my little shows.

    Saludos

  • DAVID…

    Go up about 7 or 8 comments…Patricia re-posted the comment Bob made at the end of Aftermath this morning…

    Hopefully someone will be in touch with him off-blog to make sure he’s okay.

  • DAH

    I’ll forward Les’ email to Michael..

    CATHY

    I just wrote Bob; I suspect he’s taking some time for his family..

  • LANCE,

    Your portraits look very strong. I particularly like 2,3…Should certainly keep at least couple of these for the essay. By the way, I had seen your portraits in color as well on Facebook link…Looked pretty cool to me in colour man although clearly makes sense to stay B&W for the essay… Hope to see your final edit that I have missed. Looking good sir!

    BOB,

    A break may be needed for someone like you who has spent countless hours here…but break can only be temporary… you have shaped this place line no one else…recall what David said before….it will not do this blog without you so relax, take time and come back to us!!!!! We all love you man!!!!

    DAH….do I really have to say who I wish to photograph in Jan….I already told David Mc that until I found out he was republicain I thought he was perfect :):) Obama inspires me like no other candidates… Something special is happening in the US right in the middle of this economic mess…I just hope he goes all the way…Cross fingers…

    Eric

  • …still in Venice…
    Anna B…just left…
    The lights are Golden..
    I introduced Anna to Jim M.
    The girls were also there..(here)..
    Ready
    for VENICE ORGY part II…????
    we talked about the stripclub,
    Their first amateur night experience..
    I got some portraits from Kristen..
    Anyways..
    I will get in the car to drive back to
    the desert.. in a while..
    Pat, believe it or not I wasn’t drinking…
    ;-)…
    Well, I hope everyone is feeling a little
    better tonight..!!!

  • LANCE

    I hope your sleeping on it will make things clear..for me, just me, outside of your intent, I would say the cinematographic aspect works because at least one aspect of theses men is that they are performers..but is that a side you want to show?

  • ABOUT BOB

    He’s okay, but indeed he is stepping away, though he’d rather not discuss why at this point in time.

  • Just got home from work. As usual, didn’t realize a new entry had started, this morning.

    Cathy, I second your guess, and hope it is all wrong. If I recall, Bob made a gift, not a submission, of BONES to you david, and it seems he didn’t get much attention about it (just reading from the NY saga here), yet was more than gracious about it.

    So, yes, I hope his/your leaving is not due to some kind of disppointment. Let us know, Bob, that it is not. Remember, not that long ago, we said we are family.

    David, that has to be the unlikeliest entry you ever wrote. If O. gets by, it will definitely be history, and not just for folks here, but anyone with some kind of skin color in the entire world that’s been told to step back and let the boss first. That is what I will celebrate, and forget about shots, you can’t take pictures with tears in your eyes….

    Ron Paul and Nader are still running, no?

  • LANCE – these are wonderful. i think 2 or 3 of these will flow beautifully with your project. nice work.

  • Obama,of course. Even though I voted for the gal candidate. Will be with you in Mexico for the election. Will be odd to be out of the US. May not you back if it turns out bad…

  • just made it to the desert…
    I used to call this place home for almost a year now..
    This place ain’t no home..
    unless you are a scorpion or something!!!
    Desert??? Right after Venice Beach???
    Sucks… I’m happy & tired though..
    I think we got couple of ok shots..
    Tom Hyde,
    I had you in my mind when I was shooting..
    today.. Hmmm..
    You see.. I always take your advice seriously!
    ;-)

  • …another eerie night…
    I somehow feel all alone in here!!!
    I know I’m missing something but,
    but I don’t know what it is..!

  • A bit of a shocker. . . was good to meet Bob in person there a week ago. I hope Bob is ok.

  • Having photographed them both several times already, I presume you’re referring to once whichever one of them becomes President?

    Surely, setting all politics aside, McCain has been photographed over the past decades many thousands of times, and the images of him were he to become President would look very similar to those of him before that, save for the inclusion of the Presidential seal. I can’t see anything exciting about that.

    However, images of Obama are still fresh because he’s not been around as long. Moreover, and more importantly, the opportunity to photograph the first African-American President is a most remarkable thing to behold – and one that will be instantly historic, and in years to come, iconic simply because of what it would say about how far this nation has come in it’s short lifespan.

    I want to stress – I am speaking here just about opportunities to make images of both. As a photojournalist who purposefully registered as an Independent, and does not vote just for one party or another, I work very hard to avoid skewing my images (or even a perceived skewing) based upon my opinions about elected leaders.

    Regards,
    John

  • About Obama in pictures, so far I can’t say I have seen “wow” photographs from him, something that just gives a us a glimpse of the man behind the normal physical appearnace of a smiling candidate. What do you think.

    for example, the man we loved to hate, Nixon, what a great photographic subject. There are tons of “telling” shots of the guy. a few good ones were pulled off Kennedy (backside, looking thru the WH curtained window), Bobby and Johnson. Carter was a photographic bore, Reagan did OK, kind of toothpaste ad demeanor, 50s are here again (60s, what sixties?), quite telling in that matter.

    Care to do a predidential photogeny round-about of your own? Interesting subject. Obama alone won’t get us going, so far IMO.

  • Hi David, I posted two links with my work, whath do you think about it? does it works?
    tnx
    baci cristina

    http://www.cristinafaramo.com/casadonpuglisi_/
    http://www.cristinafaramo.com/casadonpuglisi/

  • ERIC – no new edit as of yet.. what you see on my website is basically what I showed David in Perpignan. Well more there I guess. After some time away from the project I’m finally back on it although it will be very sporadic now because of schedule conflicts. And for the color.. I like the color as well.. I’ll probably keep one or two for general portfolio use (the editorial world in the U.S. needs to see portrait work).. but clearly not for this project. Good to hear from you man.. tell us anything new.. :)

  • Bob

    If you need brake it’s ok, but come back soon. you belong to this place and this place belong to you :)

    Lance

    You are good in portrait pictures.

    David

    Post without pictures???
    Maybe one pictures from your essay?
    Ahhh… Yes I have to be patient….
    :)

    peace

  • The man who lived in Indonesia!
    BOB – E-mail me your Postal address?
    Dave Bowen – I’ve been thinking of you , you new Dad you , as I was throwing Miles his 3rd birthday party , mad for pirates is the boy – I wonder what Tor – Capa will be into?
    But at least it’s dark at night round our parts.

  • Hi all,

    Here are new images of my parents
    http://gallery.me.com/audreybardou#100505&view=mosaic&bgcolor=dkgrey&sel=1
    There is not a lot… for some weeks, I see nothing… I have to work more hard…

    Have has nice day,
    audrey

  • KERRY….

    it was such a pleasure to get to know you at the workshop…you have a good heart….please contact me by e-mail if you have time…

    CRISTINA….

    you continue to do fine work with sensitivity and style and compassion……please stay with this project..this week we will have a “place” for you to put all of it….i will help you with editing if you so desire…

    ERICA…

    it seems a little odd that you are the “go between” with Les and us.. sort of strange that he never communicated with us directly….as i said, we fedexed his print to the address given to us by you…since you are somehow involved, can you have Les write us an e-mail directly?? in any case, once we figure out what went wrong here, we will make sure Les gets his print…but, i sure would like to find the first one…many thanks….

    YOUNG TOM…

    always good to get “your take” on things….are you at home or still traveling??? i will be heading to the west coast fairly soon…let’s make it a point to meet….

    cheers, david

  • MARCIN….

    i have done many posts without pictures…and i just did not have anything appropriate for this one…however, you do not have to be patient for much longer…i will start posting “family” under “work in progress” very very soon…i am so so busy shooting “family” now, that i do not have time to do everything i am supposed to do….but i know you well understand…when do you go to Thailand???

    cheers, david

  • HERVE, SIDNEY, MIKE…

    i just realized i missed a whole discussion on “Family of Man”..this exhibit was the real end to the traditional photojournalism…i do want to jump into this, or re-construct this chat, but this morning i have to do my taxes!!! my oh my i would rather be writing about Family of Man…

    Herve, Steve McCurry most popular Magnum photographer alive?? quick answer: yes, for the “masses” no, for the more astute…Steve’s work is easily “digestible”…clean , clear..no complexity..

    cheers, david

  • AUDREY….

    i am rushing, but i did take a quick look…yes, yes, you are still doing it!!! please pardon my short note, but i will return to chat more….

    BOB…

    some say you are gone….?????????????

    as Eric says, you are such an integral part of this forum….honestly, i do not believe you are gone….

    relax, collect your thoughts, be of good cheer and come back when you are ready….

    we cannot live too long without your words…

    hugs, david

  • DAH

    The reason Les contacted me is because he tried on a couple of occasions to contact Michael directly but got no response..I have forwarded his emails directly to Michael, with his questions, contact info and correct mailing address..so I think I have already done what you have asked? You can write Les directly (please do!)..

  • I would love to photograph McCain falling down a flight of stairs…

  • DAVID

    If you are headed west in the near future, keep in mind that it may be possible for me to meet you in or near Seattle, where you could also connect with Tom Hyde, Katia Roberts, and probably any number of interesting lurkers as well.

    Thanks for reminding me about the tax deadline.

  • I have photographed Obama at a small private fundraiser — the guy looks really good in photographs. He’s tall and thin, with well-tailored suits, clean lines. He is comfortable in his own skin, gestures well, and comes across as both relaxed and confident. At the event I covered, I thought his remarks and demeanor were dull to the point of being dead, but when I saw the images a few hours later, they were crackling with electricity. Obama has that kind of physical mojo.

    McCain is an old wax works. I have only seen him on TV, but he looks as if an undertaker has done only a passable job. He’s pasty and bloated and, if you saw him in the town hall debate in Nashville, he’s not very mobile or physically comfortable. The camera really doesn’t like him.

  • DAVID,

    I there a time this afternoon that is good for you for a phone call? I am pretty flexible after 2

  • morning y’all..
    First tow of the day..
    SANTA ANA WINDS are fucking me
    up..

  • SIDNEY:

    You wrote, “it is extremely unlikely that I would find myself in a situation where we were interacting as equals . . . I have no business photographing Obama or McCain, because I have no business being with Obama or McCain.”

    The American president is supposed to be your equal (unfortunately most of the time they are your inferiors). Up and coming politicians like Obama are not hard to access until pretty late in the game. They need press coverage, and going along for the ride isn’t as hard as it might seem. That’s very different for a 30-year Senator like McCain, who chooses to live in a security bubble. The same was true for Hillary Clinton, though she spoke at plenty of smallish affairs in New York state before she ran for president and local press, including independent photographers, could find themselves along for the ride.

    When times are slow, getting access to even celebrity politicians is not that hard. Of course, during peak demand, it’s much harder.

    We tend to see our politicians only in national stories, which makes it seem as if they are available only to the media elite. But there are plenty of events outside the spotlight — their careers can really be quite dull. If you set your mind to it, you can find yourself on the subway with Mike Bloomberg or in a diner with Joe Biden or (two years ago) at a community center in Chicago with Obama.

  • DAVID,
    Where’s the Magnum election site? not up yet?

    Sad to see Bob leave. He usually has a lot to say, but not this time. Some sort of explenation would be appreciated. I totally understand him though..

  • AUDREY – as i have told you before…. this is such a lovely project of your parents. keep up the great work.

  • Hi David,

    I think we all understand it well and of course support. We all love hard work and some of us waiting for it!
    I’ll be in thailand 6th November for two weeks.
    Ohhh… I have shooting and travel fever!!!
    I am focus.
    I am ready.
    Mind clear.
    cameras ready, films still in shop but not for long… All colors (no b&w)
    I don’t know wher I go, but no problem. Wherever I go I’ll be best photographer on the world! :)
    It will be symphony!
    … or be nothing :)

    I’ll be waiting for your new pictures!

    Take your time. Have a fun!
    Take care.

    hugs

  • Gina, David,
    Thank you very much…

  • yes, david, come to seattle!!!
    you can make a photo of my street family under a bridge where they live and you can join us there for a night of drums and cooking over an open fire. and many many stories; yours and ours.
    we’d so very much love to have you.
    what do you say???
    think about it, dear.

    :)))

  • AUDREY

    You don’t need many new images when they are as good as these. You continue to go deep into this project and I applaud you. Brava!

    PANOS

    Venice Beach sober??? You go guy!!! I’m proud of you…

    love
    Patricia

  • There must be a moment just after Obama is sworn in and as he is leaving the outdoor podium area when he suddenly ‘gets’ being President. I’d like to be there for that and if it could be arranged with strong sunlight….

    I understand a poll was taken in 23 or 24 countries and Obama was the ‘winner’ in all polls. The world, it seems, wants Obama. For Americans though, wow, the race is so close.

    I went to hear Obama speak in Detroit on Labour Day. Near an entrance to Hart Plaza an older man said “I’m here to see the black President. Which way to see the black President?” He was being a bit humourous but I could see his real pride – he was positively bouyant as were so many in attendance that day.

    Anyway, that is this Canadian’s answer for the poll. Meanwhile our national election is tomorrow. The funny thing is the guy who ‘wins’ will get about 35% of the popular vote. That means 65% will vote against him.

  • There are so many posts to catch up on when one leaves for several daze!!!…after reading so many i only have a brief moment to write before I head out for a while….

    ANTON:
    i love the show on Bridgit, you’ve come far from when I last saw it in June. I agree it needs to be edited though, some images are just spectacular like the ones where B is playing & laughing & the ones where she is serious giving herself the injections… But there are some images in there that are redundant or don’t make sense to the story as a whole like the ones with her brother? I understand it is also a story about how the family must also deal with her illness, maybe a shot of him watching her give the injection? Love the color in the beach pixx! I think you should take out 1 or two though. Also I like the lead image but I think better to start with one we can engage B in instead of trying to find her in this image….the final image is a perfect note to end on. Also there is one image that is blurry and a toy in the corner which i don’t think relates well at all. The music sets a somber but hopeful tone that i think really works for the piece but i think you should tighten up the edit and then go back to the music instead of fitting images to the music.
    I like your style very much and this will be a great story when finished.

    CHRISTINA:
    You have such a wonderful way of portraying your subjects and setting the mood with your color palate and selective focus. My favorite image is the last one and the relationship between mom & child. The relationship between them in this house where they live is an important piece as it speaks of family struggle and family bonding. I like the mix of both the family and the isolation of the women and children and then coming together for those special moments. you truly have a lovely style and I can’t wait to see more!

    I have more comments…but they must wait till later.

    Peace, Hillary

  • preston, they used to say that Nixon lost the 60 debate because the camera did not like him…. And that makes it quite a photographic subject. No doubt Obama has charisma, but we hardly have any photography that is revealing, showing aside, that sort of things.

    David, remember the Mc Curry point I was making, was not to say he does the best photography around since he sells the most, but strictly in relation to the FAM conversation.in short, that Humanist, feel good photography is not just a cold war ideology. It is the “bread and butter” of how many people around the world get to see the world in its daily life demeanour. Thru and as photos, if not photography.

    A much vaster subject, but I do find strong ideology(1) in the 9/11 shots/exhibition. And profund humanity, oneness and resilience, heck Family of man-ity, that may not be far from Steichen’s idea.

    (1) “on9/11, the world changed”.

    Just being a sociologist here, I do not own one Mc Curry book…

    But I sure wish Cristina Garcia-Rodero’ s Haitian rituals book was not so damned expensive (172$ on amazon). I finally got to her portfolio on the Magnum site (as you know, I take my time, a….Digestion thing :-))))) ).

    I do remember her at the Magnum party. What great, enthralling photography!

  • The funny thing is the guy who ‘wins’ will get about 35% of the popular vote. That means 65% will vote against him.
    ————————–

    It seems to say some 30% people who vote, will not vote for either one or the other?!?!?

  • BOB
    We will miss you.
    Take care brother.

  • HERVE

    In the Canadian national election there are not two main parties as in the US, but four… the Conservatives, the Liberals, the New Democrats, and the Bloc Quebecois.. and this year it looks like the small Green Part may also make a showing… this explains how 60-65% of the people can vote against someone and yet they still win.

  • PRESTON

    Thanks for sharing your expoerience photographing Obama and other politicos. Very interesting, and what you say about politiicians not always being guarded and inaccessible rings true.
    I was only speaking for myself, and in reference to what the situation would probably be once one of these guys is elected. I realize that lots of people, you included, do ‘have business photographing Obama or McCain.’ Just not me, personally. So, please, be my eyes and ears, brother! That is what journalism is all about.

  • BOB B

    I dropped out of this forum for about three months a while ago, but eventually came back. I’m sincerely hoping you will do the same, but I understand how life takes turns and paths are altered. Wherever your energies are focused, now and in the future, bon chance ami.

  • BOB B

    Hope all is well with you and your family. You will be missed here – can’t imagine the place without you!

    Best wishes mate,

    Mike R.

  • Obama –
    It will change the perception of the US throughout the world and
    will open doors to other peoples and countries which now bear
    animus towards US photographers (such as Cuba)

  • HERVE:

    Thank you for your comment on the photos of the boys. I am trying to break old habits and start new ones. These kids are part of my family and I have rarely taken photos/snapshots of the fam. Also many times I don’t take out my camera if the light is not good & rarely do I attend rodeo. Breaking out of that mould I photographed my family close to home and in light that i normally would have my camera tucked away in my bag. I had to do this not only to push myself but really wanting to capture a moment for these boys and the comic value of the kidz rodeo which is actually quite serious for them. The light in the image is better when I have it on my screen but as i post on the site it looses color & contrast on most images.

    I put together a story & hoped that it made sense. A vegetarian & animal lover I’m the one in the stands cheering for the calf that gets away, wearing a shirt that says “save a horse, ride a cowboy”. Not really my crowd, they accept me anyway. I’m interested in the kids that participate and will go to some the kids rodeos with Brady & Alex next year. there is most definitely a good story within.

    http://hillaryatiyeh.com/portfolio.cfm?nK=6102&nS=12&i=69235

    Hillary

  • PATRICIA:

    You are a kind and shining beacon of light! Thank you for the images you post. I love them all especially the one of you in the mirror. Reading your words Seeing your shining face i feel you are a kindred spirit.

    Thank you also for your comments on the Hot Springs photos. I have traveled out of my way for many years to explore natural hot springs and I find peace, healing and a special community that forms around them. Finally, I am turning my camera on those peeps (as well as myself) that visit where i was too shy before. This is a new step for me and your encouragement makes me want to try even harder. I welcome crits too though as I know I have much work to do.

    hillaryatiyeh.com/portfolio.cfm?nK=5416&nS=12&i=69300

    Love your self portrait photos, deeply meaningful to me. I look forward to seeing more as you photograph and then your book!

    xoxox
    Hillary

  • BOB BLACK~

    I first saw your work on a huge screen in Charlottesville.
    It was one of my favorites out of the show and I remember the dance of B&W and patterns of grey that washed over the screen and how the images made me feel the roots, the essence of photography.

    The mystery of art and science is apparent in this body of work you call “Bones”

    Bones…Structure, A framework to contain our bodies, our souls.
    Growing as we grow, deteriorating eventually, but becoming one in the vast universe of space and time which is energy and light.

    Bones….made up of million little molecules…Matter that is only solid as the way we see it.

    In each piece of grain in the bones of your body of work I see the molecules that make up matter. We break down to these tiny little pieces making up the whole…the universe, the Earth, our bodies, our souls, our experiences…. our bones….

    Thank you for sharing this incredible art and a piece of yourself.

    xoxo
    Hillary

  • D ~

    To answer your question, If I had a choice it would be to photograph Obama (and Michelle).

    Not only because I would like to meet him/them but because I see something inside him that is sincere and shines through. As a photographer it is that challenge to isolate that which is within and bring it out in both the subject and photographer… I think you need passion to really bring that special quality out in a subject. He has something to say, I have something to say, it is the same vibe and it would be a great moment for me to try to convey that in one photograph.

    If I were to try and photograph McCain and he condescendingly called me his “friend” I would have to calm the urge to toss him down the stairs just so Gina could get her Photo Op… :
    ;~)

    H.

  • DAVID,
    I believe that the majority of politicians sincerely wish to make the world a better place. Then they gain power and have to make choices; tough choices. Then they compromise – like, “I’ll vote for your bill even though I don’t agree with it if you’ll vote for my bill which I’m passionate about” – then it all gets messy.

    I’m for Obama and I hope he has the chance to do what he says he will do. I hope he doesn’t get overtaken by events. The vast majority of humanity like America and Americans but don’t like America’s government i.e. foreign policy. Obama may be able to build bridges.

    I’m talking politics aren’t I? Sorry.

    Have you been able to show Mr Nachman your photographs of his daughter’s wedding? Did he smile one more time? Wedding photography is sometimes considered less “worthy” than “serious” photojournalism. I’ve photographed a few weddings in my long-gone youth and, ok, it’s not war photography; it’s much more scary than that!

    Good light,

    Mike R.

    Have you been able to show Mr Nachman

  • HILLARY – very insightful words on BONES OF TIME. if i were a wordsmith, this is how i would like to describe BOB’s project. i was lucky enough to sit with BOB in NY as he described the project, picture by picture. but even then, i don’t think it was quite the right setting for him to really let go, or for us to delve into the project deeply.. even in the calmest moments the air was highly energized.. but that’s okay, i felt the weight and importance of this project and appreciate it immensely. it’s something i think about a lot, and i draw from that experience and his pictures, and it’s something i won’t soon forget.

    lance

  • The portrait photographer Platon has a saying: “There is room for only one ego in the room, the subject”

    Does this mean we make pictures as equals or not? Does it depend on how we take pictures? Is a perception of equality helpful or unhelpful?

    Thinking back I don’t recall thinking of anyone as equal, or more, or less while photographing them, but I’ll think more on that.

    Obama photos? There is a photobook called “The Rise of Barack Obama” by Pete Souza. I’ve not seen inside it, but it sounds interesting.

    Currently in Brest trying not to get locked out of my hotel again. The glamour of travel!

    And yeah, I’d want to be pointing my lens at Obama come the new year.

  • Which candidate do I want to take a picture of? Well, given that I am running for the Republican nomination in 2060, I would want to take a self-portrait, obviously.

  • Akaky for President? Who will be your running mate Akaky IRL?

  • KATIA…

    i will do it!!! many thanks….

    cheers, david

  • LANCE ~
    Those images have stayed with me as well and touches the part of me that first drew me to photography…takes me to a place where photography was born…Bones Of Time…the greatest title ever for this project! Lucky you to see the prints even at a crazy party…those pixx have power…imagine them large and in one room!
    I can’t wait to see them one day…

    As I was looking at portfolios yours really stood out to me…Grit is amazing! I have family that is into Rodeo & will pass on the link to your “web Presence”, they will absolutely love it!!! Also my faves are the ones from NYC~strong powerful imagery that truly matches the people you photographed.

    Do you have more work posted anywhere else?
    I See you’re in Austin…hear there is a great music scene there…

    Hillary

  • marcin

    http://photography.shop.ebay.co.uk/items/Film__bulk-film_W0QQ_nkwZbulkQ20filmQQ_catrefZ1QQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ4201QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282?_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

    i’m going to buy buy buy..
    works out 1usd per roll of film for fp4 including film canisters and 100ft roll..

    couple of dev tanks.. a half decent film scanner.. and bob is my uncle, sally is my aunt.

  • neil – i love brest (this is not a misogynist statement).. what you up to?

  • From the tag end of the previous thread:

    “MIKE,

    My apologies for the extremely late response. As you have no doubt gathered by now, I wasnt anywhere near a computer yesterday. I went down yesterday to do the Hispanic Day parade; I could either do one or the other, but not both, so I did yesterday’s parade. Thanks anyway; maybe next time :-) ?

    Posted by: Akaky | October 13, 2008 at 03:42 PM

    “…arbitrarily dislike folks with McCain/Palin signs on their front lawns…”

    Uh-oh

    Posted by: Akaky | October 13, 2008 at 03:44 PM ”

    As for IRL being my running mate in 2060, somehow I dont think so. I’ve known for quite some time that if he ever acquired the power to do so, he would nuke Fenway Park during a Red Sox home game and not bat an eyelash.

  • David B.

    Oh, I am sorry I forgot to answer. I check it. I will have some problems with roll films in my city. And price is not as good as in US probably. But thanks for advise. I will try get this roll films in future. I think it’s good idea.
    To thailand I will buy ektachromes e100vs and GX. They have more subtle color than velvia.
    Fever, fever!

    peace

  • Steve McCurry is not my favorite photographer, but I have to say, he is a genius.
    Even if somehow his work looks like from factory, it is genius factory.
    And I hope not every photography have to be difficult. Maybe perfect is boring but still perfect.

  • Was I the only one who found David’s comment about his Magnum brother Steve McCurry to be a real put down? Seems to me he could have made his point in a less cutting fashion.

    Patricia

  • patricia

    i didn’t find it too tough to be honest.. the first mccurry book which struck me was monsoon.. seen in india.. during the monsoon… and i adore it still.. imprinted into my psyc at a tender age it still inspires.

    it is an astonishing book.. some of the most amazing situations.. some real corkers.. and a great project to follow, although a literal one.. three months or whatever following the monsoon up india is kind of a treat, no doubt.. and would produce great photos..

    i really love his work.. as one of the masses.. however tend to think of his work more as john coltrane than mahavishnu orchestra.. more beatles than rolling stones.. you know?

    i was interested in his recent study of the tibetans in exile, since it is a subject i have attempted to tackle in the past ( http://bophoto-mumblings.blogspot.com/2008/08/going-back-to-my-roots-yeah.html ) and it did not cover all bases for me.. although it was certainly an impressive and worthwhile study. i wanted to see the fights.. drug abuse.. the american and english influence rather than the indian.. after all, nehru set aside remote pieces of land to protect their culture from indian influence, while the t.v.’s of murdochs empire are causing more damage.. with the x-files and oprah beamed directly into rooms sparse with furniture and peeling pain on the wall..

    it is possible to have the utmost respect for someones work and i’m certain steve knows his style and position well.. so i don’t think it’s a harsh thing to say. the tibetan study disappointed me a little, because i knew the subject very well.. his afghan work is on another level and he knows that work perhaps better than anyone.

    i’d buy him endless beers to hear his perspective on tibetans in exile..

    GLENN

    thanks mate.. Tor Capa is going to be into whatever he chooses to be into.. just as yours and everyones will be.. isn’t it just about the best trip available? endless surprises and moments of such sheer joy that defy explanation.. i’m writing to friends in long term relationships with the hope of inspiring them..

    marcin

    i’m just over the moon.. thinking on bulk film loaders, which i have not for a decade, has enabled a way for me to afford-ably shoot film again.. in norway to scan and dev 1 film is around 30 usd.. in the uk i was used to paying around 6 (while getting a couple of unexposed rolls thrown in free).

    i saw an M8 today for 8000 USD in a camera shop.. they had a 2nd hand eos1 for 300 USD
    i was buying chemicals and paper…
    DB’do you have any developing tanks?’
    PS’nope’
    DB’a thermometer?’
    PS’may be try a chemist?’

    unreal.

  • and if i photoed obama i’d like to catch the light just as well as david mc..

    where is he?

  • patricia, marcin –

    Re: DAH on McCurry: cutting, for sure. not wholly untrue – mr mccurry’s work is graphic and often straight-ahead, none of the harvey/allard silhouettes in the foreground, none of the ultra low light interiors, no drama on the edges… but still, his pictures are consistent and show us places we wouldn’t otherwise see…

    wonder what the backstory is?

  • Id like to photograph both for different reasons.

    Obama is a going to be a great man.
    McCain for the great fall a man can take. This used to be the straight talker unafraid to tell the truth. Now he’s a pathetic liar and a race baiter to boot. A pathetic fall.

    I dont think its going to be close. Nationwide polls dont matter but even still Obama has an 8 point lead. In a country so deeply polarized this is as big a lead as you should really expect. But the important thing is the states and Obama is now leading in pretty much all the swing states, and even some red states are going in his ledger. What started as a trickle has recently turned into something more. Watch it to be a flood by November. My prediction is that Obama gets over 330 electorate votes which will be a blowout.

    David, take a look at a little set I did last weekend at a lantern festival in my wife’s home town.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157607762150085/show/

  • Maybe, the way I phrased it myself, Patricia, once again. By popular, I certainly did not mean most relevant. I mean, for ex., Mozart is not as popular as Britney Spears nowadays….

    One thing about Steve McC, and I did not have time to ask him last June (because some idiot came right over and just cut us off with the ubiquitous “Steve, we met 10 years ago….”) is that he seems to be recycling his archives a lot. I never get the sense anything he publishes was done, or striven for, recently. Yet, I remember a youtube video where david says he’s the hardest-working guy of them all. And David knows, he himself is no lazy bum!!! ;-), so: ?!?!?

    I do not like his small portraits books. Exotism strung like beads on a necklace. Steve is a fine man, and did not mean it that way, but it ends being a bit exploitive, once marketed. It does sell! Maybe the money goes to a foundation?

    I could not ask… French people are so rude! :-))))

  • I could not ask… French people are so rude!
    __________

    laughing..

  • I do not think DAH comment about Steve was cutting. Our thoughts, experiences and opinions of a photographer like McCurry is much different than David’s or another colleague. I doubt there is a back story to David’s comment – just may not be his usual tone.

  • Erica, i’m loving your 40 days photos. just gorgeous.

    Kerry–whaat? you’re moving to New York? I’m writing you an email right now to find out more. I missed all the fun Saturday!

    I think my answer to the poll is obvious by the stupid sh*t eating grin on my face:

    http://www.jenniferchasephoto.com/misc/obama.jpg

    true story…this photo was taken by the long haired guy from the black eyed peas. then Obama offered to take a picture of me and the peas. could care less about that one.

  • Mc Cain: The guy is a decent man, I wish him no ill, even I find myself a bit sectarian as DAY E approaches. If he knew how to really play the hate game, he’d do better in the polls.

    did anyone see the clip with the lady calling O an arab (I am sure she was about to say black and found the next best “worse” label), and Mc cain booed for showing decency:

  • PATRICIA….

    my comment about Steve was not intended to be “cutting” at all…i was asked a straight question and i gave a straight answer…and , also i was writing in haste, with no time to elaborate or put it all into context….again, this is just like our critique and the critique here about critiquing in general…at Magnum, and my whole life since a student at the Univ. of Missouri ( the REAL school of tough tough critique) we talk straight up with each other….when we are with each other and looking at everything from book layouts to exhibits we tell each other straight up what we think…i honestly think the work of Steve is very straightforward , very clean, and he certainly has the most famous picture of all time, the Afghan woman….a picture that is in my personal collection of prints and collected worldwide ….there are , however photographers that i admire more from a purely photographic standpoint..photographers who pique my imagination much more…i am sure there are photographers he admires more than me as well…yet, surely we will still always enjoy each other’s compay socially..

    however, what i do admire about Steve is his indefatigable ability to do what he does despite the fact that he works with only one good hand….

    he has gone into combat, survived months in Afghanistan under grueling conditions, and always comes up with strong strong pictures under conditions that i would not even go into in the first place…

    it is not a put down in my world not to be a “fan” of someone’s work..it has absolutely nothing to do with liking them as a person…but, it obviously seems like that to you…and i can understand your point of view since you are coming from a completely different place in your work and in your nature of criticism…but, please try to understand mine without seeing a critique as an “attack”…

    and Patricia please do me one favor…look at Steve’s work..then look at say Alex Webb’s work….both color..both contemporaries …can you not see why i might like Alex over Steve??? but, that does not mean you have to agree with me, but you might see why i would prefer one over the other….or, maybe not..and that would be fine too, because your opinion is just as valid as anyone’s..mine included..

    cheers, david

  • MARTIN BRINK…

    we have had some tech problems getting going, but it really should be up by tomorrow…keep checking..there will be glitches at first, but hopefully smooth out as we go along…thanks for asking..

    cheers, david

  • JENNIFER CHASE

    i meant to ask you the other day – do you live in DC? nice pic with Obama!

  • DAVID

    I have absolutely no problem with your preferring one photographer’s work over another’s. My god, that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? My response was not to your preferences, but to how you’d put it. Saying someone is popular with the “masses” rather than the “astute,” is to me a pretty good put down.

    As you say, you were rushed and didn’t have time to explain what you meant. I was just surprised because it didn’t sound like you. Thanks for taking the time to make your point more specifically. Now I understand what what you were trying to say.

    And yes, I’ll look at Steve’s work next to Alex’s and see what I think.

    Patricia

  • thx david for enunciating / clarifying the mccurry comment. it’s clear now. cannot wait to see your family work that you hinted about posting soon.

    jeff

  • Greetings everyone.

    I have recently started a new web site called The37thFrame.org.

    The 37th Frame’s purpose is to bring readers the best of the photojournalism on the internet. I decided that since I spend a lot of time surfing the net for great photographic work, I may as well keep a record of what I find and share it with others.

    In a short time, the site has received a lot of attention including a mention on the Photo District News blog. Readers are encouraged to email me with link suggestions to share with the rest of our community. Hopefully there will be comments and discussion on the posts.

    One of the goals of the site is to highlight work that may be off the radar and not being seen.

    I brought up the idea to David about inviting readers of this blog and all of his emerging photographers to participate. David thought it was a great idea.

    If anyone is interested in participating, please send me a link to an image, series of images or story that you would like me to highlight.

    I would only ask that the link take the reader to an easy to navigate site that first showcases the intended work. Of course then the reader will be able to explore the remainder of your site. I just feel for the best experience that the reader not have to search for what they were interested in seeing.

    Some links will appear in the main featured section and others will simply be posted on the home page.

    Regardless of how they initially show up on the site, they will all be grouped under a special section on the home page. (The position that is currently called Media Storm in the middle of the page.)

    I am also thinking of having the photographer provide the initial comment on the post where they can talk a little about the work. This will help get a dialog started between readers and the readers and photographer.

    I hope all this makes sense. This is still a site that is evolving, so nothing is set in stone. Suggestions are welcome.

    Please feel free to email questions for me to petemarovich@the37thframe.org.

    Please address all submissions to: submissions@the37thframe.org

    Thanks to everyone in advance, and most of all to David.

  • Herve: in the same vein but even worse check out this billboard in Missouri: http://current.com/items/89393772_racist_obama_billboard_causes_outrage?xid=216

    can you imagine having to drive past that every day?

    Gina- yes I’m in DC. Are you nearby?

  • I think Alex Webb’s work seems to be more “spontaneous”, for want of a better word. That’s not to denigrate Steve McCurry’s work (who am I to criticise the work of a master), it’s just different.

    Also, I find my tastes change as I chug merrily along life’s path too. For instance, I once couldn’t see the merits of Matin Parr’s colour work. But now a few years later I “get it” better. It’s not the style of work I could do but I can better appreciate it. Horses for courses I suppose.

    I think any criticism/critique on paper or web screen can look harsher than in reality. I have to be really careful if I querying a slip up in magazine payments. A casual inquiry can seem like an angry demand because they can’t hear my “tone of voice”. The same way that a text can be totally misconstrued when read without the context in which it was sent.

    David: A couple of questions about you current families project…..

    You mentioned that you were using both b&w and colour, how would that work in a book publishing situation? I can see it working in a gallery presentation. I’ve discovered a great location here at home to begin a long project on & am shooting both b&w and colour, but unsure if I’m better to stick to one or the other.

    The project revolves around a small remote fishing/holiday settlement and I will be able to pursue while doing other jobs-a la “stay another day”. I needed another project to get my teeth into because I won’t get back to Timor until the New Year now.

    Also…. What was the reason for using medium format too??? Thanks

    Cheers

  • JENNIFER – yes, i am in DC too. i live in dupont and work at NG at 17th & M. i leave tomorrow for frankfurt – but we should get together when i get back. my email is: gmartin@ngs.org

  • DAVID

    Yep, I get it!

    Alex Webb takes me places I don’t expect to go, shows me the world through eyes that look INTO not AT people & places, finds perspectives that I could never have imagined existed. He’s a true original. Steve shows me what I would probably have seen myself if I’d been there. Good photos but only rarely does he make me catch my breath in surprise. Thanks, David, that was a good teaching.

    ALL

    I discovered another good teaching tool today–“An Inner Silence: The Portraits of Henri Cartier-Bresson” by Agnes Sire and Jean-Luc Nancy. I bought this book because I could see that HCB knew how to find the “innerness” of the persons he photographed. Part of his gift was in letting their surroundings act as keys to their personalities. I was often surprised by where HCB placed his subjects in the frame, and of course his use of ambient light was masterful.

    HCB’s lessons are just what I need as I continue to work on my African American Elders project. I’ve been photographing at this Detroit senior center twice a week since mid-June and am becoming ever more intrigued by the individuals themselves rather than the activities in which they engage. I just want to show the dignity, humor, wisdom, suffering and joy I see in each. In time I’ll share some pics but not yet. I feel as though I’m just beginning to understand what this work is all about.

    Patricia

  • Patricia.

    Have you seen HCB’s “The Europeans”? I think that’s his best work. It may be heresy to say so, but I think his French/European work is miles stronger than his foreign work.

    Cheers

  • ALL.

    I had the pleasure of meeting Fazal Sheikh tonight. He gave a lecture and slideshow. If you’re not familiar with him please get to know him! Brilliant, soft spoken, handsome Princeton graduate…Kenyan father,white American mother…he actually reminds me quite a bit of a young Obama!

    I tried to encourage him to “join” the photographic community and show his work in Perpignan or the like and he said he does not consider himself a photojournalist. His bio calls him an artist/activist. Perhaps his technique of B/W portraits is not complex enough for many here but the years he has spent in refugee camps combined with the letters he reads written by his subjects and their beautiful portraits earned him my greatest respect.

    He publishes his entire books online so you can see them here…

    http://www.fazalsheikh.org/

    I loved so much of what he said…a couple of tidbits…

    How some photojournalists come on the scene already “knowing” what they are going to shoot, knowing the story they want to tell before they even arrive and how different that is from sticking around and letting the people reveal the story they want told.

    Here is someone who goes deep. The photos are the icing on the cake but he knows each subjects name and full story and includes it all. He goes for the big picture. His work is like an “old school” multi-media presentation.

  • PATRICIA…

    thanks mi amiga …. one should never write in haste any more than speak in haste…i have made both mistakes more than once in my life…hey, i ain’t anywhere close to perfect!!!!

    hugs, david

  • DAVID

    I sure hope this blog community doesn’t expect “perfection” from any of us. And I also hope we’ll always feel comfortable questioning one another when we feel something just ain’t quite right. As we all know by now, online communication is a tricky business, full of possible misinterpretations and misreadings. Calling for and receiving clarification can save us a lot of grief…

    Patricia

  • DAVID…What?
    You.. No perfect????
    Fuck it.. I’m leaving the blog..

    BY THE WAY…
    Fuck the Rolling Stones..
    Too perverted..

    VIVA THE BEATLES…safe and cute..
    Jesus saved me..

    And by the way..
    Someone said I’m a democrat??
    Fuck Obama too..
    I’ve had it..
    No respect in here..

    I’m saved ..
    I’m reborn..

  • ERICA

    GREAT LINKS !!!!

    thanks very much.

    I was just passing, sneaking a peak here and followed your links.
    Cat Cam is very cool, if I show my daughter Uma she’s going to want to put one on her pet rabbit for sure! (could be interesting… hmmm…)

    maybe David B could fit one on Tor Capa!!!!! (when he starts to crawl) never to early to start!

    The Giant Girl Doll is quite amazing, didn’t watch it all ( as yet), my connection ain’t too fast. But wow… what a concept

    I’m gonna check the koudelka talk latter as i’m running off to college now. end of my term break, back to reality…

    A BIG THANKS TO EVERYONE
    being here this past week or so has provided me with some sort of balance, or perspective… anyway gotta run….. grab that uniform, shit, I still can’t believe what i’m doing…

    Sam

  • Oops..
    Someone said : ” never write in haste..”
    What the fuck is “haste”???

    Again… Fuck Obama!
    Who wants to play???
    Step outside!

  • hey panos..
    can i email you? (it’s not about politics — i promise..). lol.
    ~alicia

  • really…
    I’m hurt..
    I’ve seen the true colors of
    “emerging” photographers…
    How about emerging BITCHES…

    Who wants to argue with
    The emerging tow truck driver??

    .. About Steve Mc Curry..
    I love him.. Met him in C/ville..
    Awsome guy..
    His work???

    Boring postcards..

    Ok.. Cmon who wants to play…???
    Panos relapsed…
    And you people definitely don’t help…
    Kissing ass don’t help..

    Last year someone threatened me
    That if I’m not respectful ,
    NatGeo or magnum or David or
    The lurking editors will not give me
    any work..!
    Fuck it …
    David never promised me ANY WORK..
    That’s why I stick with my guns…
    Fuck promises…

    DAVID IF YOU HEAR ME…
    Shut this fucking blog down..
    They ( WE) ain’t getting it..

    Nietzche said once..
    ” the crowd.. they will put you in a pedestal
    , as high as possible so they can enjoy
    YOUR FALL AND CRASH …more…

    Fuck it…

  • Alicia , go ahead..
    Even call me
    310425 9298
    Please do!

  • hehe.
    calling the man himself.. hmmm… that sounds almost dangerous when you are in a ranting mood? ;)
    it’s just about a possible project of sorts..
    ~a

  • Alicia …
    please email me or call..
    People that really really know me
    well.. They know I’m in a great mood..
    Listening to “sonic youth” right now..
    That’s all..
    ;-))))

  • .. I was about to post some Venice
    Shit tonight.. But who cares..
    Let’s keep kissing Steve Mc Curry’s
    ass…

  • i have no doubts.. really.. hehe. i’m just playin’ u.. ;)

  • innerspacecowpanos@mac.com

    Alicia go ahead!
    Give me a chance;-)

  • I drove 111 miles from big bear
    to Venice ..
    102 miles from Venice to the Indian
    Reservation in temecula..
    Towed 11 cars to 29 palms for the marines..
    And all that for what???
    For who???
    LOTS OF DISRESPECT IN HERE..
    “Lightstalkers” style…
    It’s not just SAD, it’s “GAY”..
    And I don’t mean gay in a sexual way..
    Y’all know what I mean..
    I know you do.. Or if you don’t..
    How about crucify me..
    Just like DAH…
    It’s just takes four nails..
    That’s all it takes.. Four ( maybe five )
    Nails.. For real..
    TRY IT:-(((((((((

  • oops. i scared off panos. lol. see, this is why i email before i call.. or maybe i should think of easier questions.. hehe. (not likely)..

  • Patricia, HCB. Remember he was a master of timing, a genius, the part where it is way to fast to think. I think he said that himself, think before, think after, but never as you shoot. Some masterpieces, but I am not all taken up by all his portraits work, psychology wise (he was too much of a loner to be totally emphatic….Maybe? His freinds, he caught nicely) but even there, it is never still, he never stops time, just catches it on the run….Life!

    Talking about Henri (it’s my middle name, he is HCB, I am HHB, ahahaha!), Cathy, Fazal Sheik was the first exhibit I saw at the HCB’s foundation in Paris. His work on destitute and martyrised indian women. 50 million women missing in India, from infanticide, selective, family-coerced abortion, dowry murder…. It’s getting worse, as India gets richer and dowry can mean bankruptcy. Not an old tradition anymore, a scoure of modern Indian times.

  • a scourge of modern Times.

    PS: Strong mushrooms, Panos, tonight? ;-)

  • … HHB…
    really…???
    don’t i make any sense to you tonight…?
    think about it…
    does this sound like a “shroom” talk to you???
    for reals????????
    do i really need to be more “specific” ??????
    do i??????

  • … another thing….
    “two faced monkey syndrom”…

    S.Freud, talked extensively about that syndrom…

    or the opposite of being MONOGAMOUS…???
    it is POLYGAMOUS… !!!!
    or fear of commitment….!!!!

    or being a “LIGHTSTALKER”… BEING A STALKER IS CREEPY
    ENOUGH… BUT BEING A “LIGHTSTALKER”….???????

    oh i see…
    i make no sense… i really do…make NO sense…
    but not for all of you…
    right?

  • PANOS…

    crashing hard! blog shuts down January 1…magazine starts…no moss on this “rolling stone”…

    cheers, David

  • David,

    Are you serious about this blog shutting down? And whats this talk about a magazine?

  • David B

    I have a non-photo conference all week, what bits of Brest do you reccommend? I have the camera, of course!

  • …… great ,,…. at least someone listens to my prayers….
    fuck this blog… FUCK ALL BLOGS…

    January 1??????
    how about tomorrow????????

    …again…!

    …. people…..!…

    … in greece we ( still ) say:

    ” you do not appreciated it … UNTIL you lose it…”

    and you know what ??????
    YOU JUST LOST IT… YOU HAD IT , BUT YOU THREW IT ALL AWAY…
    ALL OF YOU ( US )…
    nothing but ARROGANT bitches….
    still make no sense huhhh!…

    someone is trying to help you…
    SOMEONE IS GIVING YOU A HOME …a voice…
    but you all love shitting all over the place…

    ok… but dont start calling and begging when the rain starts to
    fall…

    “… and its a hard rain , … its A HARD RAIN’S A GONNA FALL

    by for now…
    …im really hurt tonight..
    listen to my song please…
    i mean no harm… really

  • LETTER TO ALL…

    Subject: Again… ALL…… IM ON YOUR SIDE..but..

    .
    The end of the blog is A FACT..
    I’m not doing this to support you..
    Not at all… I love you ..
    And I RESPECT DAVID … but he also deserves peace of mind..
    We ( all of us) like VAMPIRES drinking
    from his blood the whole year..
    All of us trying hard to be SOMEONE
    but we are really destroying the ONE
    that really is SOMEONE .. and that
    is David.. Let’s face it..
    David wasted his time with us…
    Please let’s give him respect..
    You know me ALL BY NOW.. I’m a punk..
    I’m an asshole.. I’m ugly ..
    But , DAVID??? David ..!!!??
    No… He is getting fucked, exposed
    and crucified for no reason…FROM US..
    ALL please help me out here..
    David never ignored anyone

    Help me out here.. Really..
    I believe that your frustration is
    temporary..
    But even if it’s not… Reconsider..
    Call me.. Let’s talk it out..
    Call David .. Talk it out..
    EITHER WAY , I feel that the blog
    is ruined, not JUST by you.. BUT By all of us..

    ALL ………….. if I was David…!

    I wouldn’t even bother with any of us..
    We fucked up.. We ruined his privacy,
    We tore him apart.. We molested
    His blog.. We dissed him..
    ALL OF US..
    Fuck us all.. Me included..
    I feel sad..
    David doesn’t deserve that shit..
    He really doesn’t…
    Please consider my thoughts..
    Please… All he wanted to do is help
    us find and discover ourselves ..
    That’s the motherfucking thanks he gets?????????
    Please ALL… I beg you…
    Think clear.. I’m 40 years old..
    I have good judgement.. I hope..
    Seen a lot of phonies…
    DAVID IS AN OASIS IN THIS ( PHOTO ) HELL
    WE ARE LIVING IN..
    Let’s not pee on the pure drinking
    Water.. Pleaaaaaaaase!

    Sent from panos’s iPhone.

    Thank you for visiting:
    http://www.panosfotografia.com

    Please email:
    Innerspacecowpanos@mac.com

    call: 310-425-9298

  • PETE MAROVICH

    hey i really dig the new site.. http://www.The37thFrame.org what a great idea.. thank you for setting this up, i will check it often!

    also, have you all seen http://www.thedailybeast.com/ it’s Tina Brown’s new project.. there is a lot to keep up with if you so desire!

  • Blog shut down?
    Magazine arise like phornix reborn from the ashes.
    Good. Progress. Foward.
    I just would like to e-mail from time to time to many of you with short words “What’s up”.

  • David B — still here. :)

    Eric E — I didn’t tell you I was a republican — I said republican sympathizer — I don’t want to completely alienate myself from this forum! :)))

    Actually I don’t think politics has to be such a taboo subject in circles like these. If there’s one thing we can learn from politicians here in the US, it’s that while they passionately argue their ideologies on the floor of the house and senate, they tend to all be friends who play golf, go sailing, and bbq on the weekends.

    Here’s the short on being fiscally conservative: I believe that if you keep taxes low, including taxes on (evil) corporations, you enable them to provide jobs, to bring business back to the US, and create a broader base of tax payers that actually increases revenue. It seemed to work for Gulliani in New York, and I always favored him over McCain. While there were prosperous years under Clinton, recessions have a way of coming around in cycles, and there was a short-lived recession at the end of Clinton’s last term, that was staved off by Bush’s tax cuts. But of course, he sunk the country into an unnecessary war and never developed an energy plan, spending more reckless than any president in history, etc, etc.

    I bring up fiscal conservatism because we absolutely cannot tax our way out of a recession. They’re trying to do it in Michigan, and it isn’t working:

    http://www.thetimesherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081011/OPINION02/810110310/-1/NEWSFRONT2

    Michigan is an excellent case study of an economic black hole that the rest of the country could be following. This is one reason I’m not on the Obama bandwagon—he’s campaigning around the magic number of $250k, saying he will not raise taxes on people making less than that; that’s fine, but he says that most small businesses will be protected, because most gross less than that, but that’s simply not true. While there are any number of mom and pop shops with a few employees, $250k is a really modest number for billable hours or sales for true small businesses.

    The Small Business Administration has various classifications for what qualifies as a small business, some with as many as 500 employees or billings up to $30 million. When Obama asks “how many out there are making more than $250k?” that has a nice campaign ring to it, but if taxes go up drastically on true small businesses, it ends up being worse for the recession when they have to start compromising employment. And that’s exactly what they do—businesses are handed a number by the government (tax %) and they hand that number right back to the consumer with increased costs of goods or services, or laying off employees. It’s the dirty little crime of living in the land of opportunity—CEOs rarely have to take a hit.

    It’s starting to feel, despite Obama’s keen sense of articulation, that too many promises are being made, and someone is going to have to pay for nearly a trillion dollars of new spending. This could be a bad time for that to hit the backbone of the States.

    I understand how Obama caries that air of clarity and hope in his polished and well marketed presentation, but it’s completely legitimate to question his experience. When you spend four or eight years in the Senate and actually develop a transparent voting record, associations with folks like William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and Rev. Wright tend to go away. By the way, you dems have Hillary to thank for those names coming up. But when you don’t spend that time developing a political path, you realistically are the riskier candidate, and I’m not going to be distracted by form. It might be glib of me to say so, but Obama has spent fewer days in the senate, prior to campaigning, than is required by McDonald’s employees to be a manager. :)))

    In some commercials, Obama speaks of a responsible end to the war, but out on the stump he’s preaching to his crowds as if we’re going to be pulling out on day one. No matter how we got in, we cannot leave that country a mess. Within the last month, Al Qaeda insurgents were tipped off to a raid by Iraqi police, and they killed about 35 men. That doesn’t sound like a country that’s ready to stand on it’s own, and I don’t think Obama should be romancing the base with talk of a pull-out, when our responsibilities might have us there a lot longer than anyone wants.

    I think a system of checks and balances with mixed parties better reflects the will of the public, which we won’t have with a single party majority in the house, senate, and presidency. Plus with the deer-in-the-headlights congress with Nancy Pelosi at the helm, who couldn’t see the Freddie and Fannie bus coming despite warnings from both sides, there could be a disastrous handling of the recession. Or with too much power, congress could implode, like it did with Carter.

    So yes, even though he wasn’t my first choice, my scorecard does favor McCain on experience, national security, responsibilities in Iraq, and fighting a recession by lowering corporate and capital gains taxes (though that scorecard is a lot closer than you may think.) I rail against McCain too. It gets very confusing for me. McCain’s health care plan sounds like such a mess, I doubt that it would even get signed into law. Plus for someone campaigning on earmark reform, he had the opportunity to vote No on the $700B bailout that ended up being strapped with earmarks, almost as if congress saw fit to negotiate with the taxpayers money, during the time of the worst economic crisis ever. But he didn’t do it. To politically risky, I guess. I also think it’s a shame he can’t articulate his plan very well, to the degree that it seems he has no plan, when in fact it could be very effective.

    Just so this is clear to everyone, my highest hope, no matter who is elected, is that prosperity is restored, their policies work, our workforce is replenished, and peace and dignity are brought back to our highest office. I’d much rather be wrong in a meaningless rant, than to tow a party line. And just a really minor note, I don’t think it’s very becoming for a peace-loving forum to suggest that a war veteran being thrown down the stairs is a good photo op, nor do I think Obama’s middle name reflects any of his policies or judgment.

    ****************************

    So back to the question—I’ve already photographed Obama. McCain probably isn’t coming back to Michigan. I’d have to shoot video to capture a good Biden gaffe. So I guess I’d really just like to photography Palin for G. Gordon Liddy’s “Stacked and Packed” calendar.

    Photography before politics forever!

    http://www.humanfiles.com/journal_galleries/obama_calderplaza.htm

    PS Be sure and pay attention to Anderson Cooper’s “Ten Most Wanted: Culprits of the Collapse” on CNN. Good stuff!

  • Panos – I drive 111 miles to get milk!

  • i would like to photograph malia and sasha obama playing on the white house lawn…

  • DAVID (alan harvey) and ALL:

    i have not slept at all last night, and this morning at the urging of members, i read the entire Poll post. I want to just let you all know that everything is fine. I appreciate the comments and support and all the unnecessarily kind comments about the work and the being-a-part-of-the blog. Let me assure you that there is nothing wrong, I am just very tired and it has been a grueling week, and particularly tough 2 days. But as one of the “old timers” on the blog, I think it’s my duty to put all your fears or concerns or worries to rest.

    I read this morning that David has decided to stop the blog on January 1 and move toward the magazine. Let me say publically that I support in full anything that David does with this blog or with his work. There are few photographers in the world, known or unknown, that I am familiar with who have done more to foster photography, to support the lives of photographers, young and old, and to encourage and make fecund the world we all love so richly, this insane way of leaving called the photographers life.

    I respect David immensely for his professional achievements but more importantly, I love him as a human being. He is a tireless “giver” and his altruistic work has made a life much richer for many of us who have known him either through the blog or as students or as colleagues or as friends. But just because i respect him as a photographer and humanitarian, is not the reason I have remained on this blog, through thick and thin, sin and soil, anger and name calling (remember the love fest when Panos first arrived and then again when he’d been punked by his friend in Venice), joy and disappointment. Like many of you, I have shared in a very open (too open, if you were to ask my family) way my own personal life, my life as a photographer and writer, as a way to contribute to this home, to the tireless and important work that David has accomplished here. I have tried always to be a voice of support and love and to offer my own writing or photographs or commitment to help make this blog the righteous and brilliant community it is.

    What David has accomplished here is sui generis…there is not another place on the planet like it. No other place began as a madhouse or greenhouse and transformed into the work, the EPF program and now the magazine. I have watched as photographers have come and gone, as photographers have grown in their practice and commitment to their art and to their life, have watched as frienships have bloomed and grown and it has been a remarkable place to plant myself and my life into.

    Whatever direction that David wishes to take this community, he has my unmitigated and loving support. I pledge without measure my support and loyalty to that aim. I hope and trust that the blog will continue for as long as the internet or young and old photographers wish to gather and talk and bitch about work and life, but i also recognize that all things in life must transform, move forward, enrich or wither.

    That David will move all your work to the next level is something that everyone should celebrate and not condemn. Whatever transformation occurs, you all must understand that it is always for the better. I know of noone who works more tirelessly and more lovingly and more unstintingly than David in his commitment to his students, his friends and his colleagues.

    I stand in unity with whatever happens here and just know that we are all richer and better and wiser for all that we have learned, shared, fought over, celebrated. I guess the blog has been David’s biggest workshop (and maybe biggest pain in the ass ;)) ), but without this place, without his love and interest, each of us would be lesser for it.

    I count David, publically and privately, as a friend and you all should know that i have, am and always will be committed to helping him and those of whom i can help with what little i have in the way of talents to give.

    If david is serious about stopping the blog (and i hope he isnt), i want to just say that David will move this place forward in the best way he knows how and that will benefit all people, in the richest and most spiritual way possible.

    (does this sound like I am running for president? ;)) )….

    David, you have my undivided and as you know open and honest support, respect and love.

    this goes without saying….

    tired and running wobbly to teach
    love
    b

  • I agree whit you bob…there are no more words to add…

    …I think this changing is an opportunity for all of us to be more aware of ourself.

    thanks,
    thanks david and all!

    cristina

  • LANCE

    Thanks for the kind words. I hope that everyone can benefit from the site.

    ALSO TO ALL

    I think I forgot to mention that if anyone from the blog sends a link to please put Emerging Photographers in the subject line.

    Thanks

  • easy now..

    seems a little claustrophobic in here at the moment..

    i hope the blog continues to develop with new ideas.. alongside new idea’s.

    i’m not sure anyone here has ‘expected’ anything from dah or from the blog.. apart from some conversation, some new connections and some inspiration from other posters, as well as dah.. not certain there is disrespect..

    some good looking new links.. going to have a wander through them later.. some well said points from bob.. considered.. and i also offer help, as i think do most, with whatever becomes the whatever.

    remember to have your chips with pea’s.

  • BOB B

    Thanks for checking in and reassuring us. I want to echo your sentiments of support for David, in whatever direction he chooses to take (or not take!) this unique community.

  • Don’t want to hijack the thread, but…

    Dear Sidney, Gina. Anton, Panos, Erica, and Jeff D,

    Many thanks to you all for your thoughtful comments regarding the beginning of my project in Brazil. Your perspective has been helpful, and I realize that while I shouldn’t present work without considering the implications of its use further in the future, I feel that I needed to put up something fresh that I am proud of. Had to dispel any demons acquired from photographing dental offices and other rather dry subject matter over the summer.

    Just the same, Erica, Sidney and Jeff… your words lit a fire and I’m thinking of heading back to Brazil sooner than I had anticipated. The implications, history and metaphors of samba are rich subject matter. Thank you all again. I really appreciate the time you guys put into critiquing the work.

    DAH- If you have a few minutes, I’d love to hear your take too… The gallery is called Samba da Bahia and is at the top of the page at http://www.andrew-sullivan.com .

  • DAH–

    really?! you’re coming up here to seattle???!!
    wow wow WOW.
    any idea when-ish??

    can’t wait!! :D

  • Okay, I’ve just finished reading Bob’s post above….did somebody die?

  • I don’t know what is going on since basically the NY loft party, but the way it is playing out, leaving what was called a family and a community not so long ago clueless, is rather thoughtless.

    What happened? You all loved each other better when it was virtual love?

    David, Jan 1st… magazine…. just one little line, and to Panos only….

  • ANDREW

    6, 8 and 14 remind me of the work of Alex Web and that’s a compliment. No 1 is pure Andrew Sullivan and that’s a compliment too. No 13 – good use of depth of field (now called Bokeh thanks to Mike Johnston). Not a weak photograph in there; excellent.

    Get back to Bahia, look at DAHs use of small flash, remind me to look at his use of small flash; enjoy!

    Mike R.

  • away for a day and what has all happened here… good things stopping, good things starting

    and exciting times ahead of us once again…

    looking forward, feeling part of it, anticipating as never before

    and bob thanks for posting… glad you’re ok

  • HERVE….ALL

    who said i was leaving the family i helped to foster???

    if you took the time to read Panos’ post prior and his comment about the “Rolling Stones”, then you would indeed see why the comment was only to him and intended as a corollary and in jest…

    i just said the blog will shut down on Jan 1…i also said “new magazine”…i also in a previous comment said i was really really busy shooting right now on my family project and would not have time to write much…

    why did you only choose to read the words “blog shut down”, and not read “new magazine” and “busy shooting” and then have the GALL to call me “thoughtless”?????…unbelievable Herve, particularly coming from you!!!!

    would you not imagine i would do a new post with new announcements soonest??? january 1 is 10 weeks away!!!!

    it is exactly those kinds of “thoughtless” comments that i want to eliminate from my life…

    i want to put my energy into those who most need it and will benefit most…

    in this regard there will be NO END at all and i will indeed try to provide a new beginning for many….anyone who is doing serious photography and/or committed writing will only benefit from a new structure…

    stay tuned….the best is yet to come….

    cheers, david

  • DAH

    I think Herve was saying that those of us who were in NY as a whole, not you, were leaving the rest who were not there clueless..not that you were leaving the family..

  • Is “new magazine” perhaps a new online magazine?

  • Just a reminder, it is an Aries Full Moon today….The Moons pull is strong enough to move the oceans, we are mostly water, it moves us too. Surf the waves… photograph the flow….

  • DAVID, ALL.

    I feel as though I am stepping in between a pack of dogs that are about to pounce on each other…not a good move perhaps. Don’t bite me please!!! :))

    Don’t know why I am getting involved here but I just re-read Herve’s comment and I don’t believe that he called YOU thoughtless David…I think he’s referring to some of the behind the scenes drama he’s hearing little bits and pieces of…secretive sound bites if you will from Panos, Bob, etc that he is very aware of and now the words “end of the blog” are being uttered (in several comments this morning, not just yours to Panos) so I believe he is just wondering what is going on…

    I’m sure he will speak for himself soon. :))

  • ERICA.

    Missed your comment.
    Exactly.

  • I can’t help but smile as I follow this blog …

    I think this community is indeed a ‘family’ when we swing from love-fest to pouting in the space of a week.

    Throw in a carton of warm beer and prawns; some cheap tinsel and a drunken Uncle Mace ready to take on all who did not appreciate his gift of home-bottled Home Brew and this could well be 4pm on any Christmas Day from the first 20 years of my life.

    …and of course tomorrow the lovin’ will start all over again…

    DAH:
    I emailed you last night — no rush to reply, but wanted to be sure the email got through. Keep smiling.

  • To all canadians participants, newly retired participants and lurkers (as myself)

    take a break and please go and vote!

  • HILLARY /ALL..that’s why I posted the diversions last night, links a page back, to give everyone some laughter / a chance to witness creative genius / and exposure to a rare a timeless bit of photo history, respectively..

    (it’s a grammatically complicated sentence from Herve..easy to have misread the first go..)

    HERVE..am not trying to keep anyone clueless about anything, am trying to respect everyone here

  • PETE MAROVICH:
    i like the new site. this will be very useful for me for LOOK3 – finding new talent, work, projects… thank you.

    ALL: heading to the Frankfurt Book Fair today. Hoping to hook up with Lassal while I am there.

    KERRY PAYNE: the desrciption of Christmas at your house made me laugh – thank you.

  • PETE.

    Great site.
    I will tune in daily.

  • Thanks Erica.

    David, just think that we might be as sensitive as you are. On the heels of things brewing on and off the blog (and they are), good communication, open communication, is paramount. As it happened, in its brevity, your comment had to make us wonder, and, unbeknownst to you maybe, add to the charade going on since Bob summarily said Goodbye 2 days ago.

    Thoughtless, me? Sure, but I’d be surprised if people find me thoughtless on this one.

    David, like it or not, we are looking up to you, it’s a respect combined with a lot of affection, and a definite sense of closeness, I am sure many will agree. With affection, comes emotion. Samsara again….

    Indeed, think emotion, think sensible, you will understand my earlier post.

  • ALL

    OK, everybody, let’s take three deep breaths…

    1……………………….2………………………………3

    Yes, there is “behind the scenes” activity going on here, and that is exactly where it needs to stay. No, I don’t know the extent of what’s going on either, and that’s just fine. The only persons who need to know are those involved. We must allow our sisters and brothers to work things out for themselves. That’s what emails and phone calls are for. Somethings are better left private.

    As for the blog and where it’s going, we’ll just need to let that unfold in time. It’s David’s blog so I’m sure when he’s got it all worked out in his mind, he’ll share it with us here. I too was a bit taken aback with his short comment about the blog closing down on January 1 and a new magazine being born. This was unexpected and unexplained, so I thank Herve for asking some important questions. And I share Erica’s and Cathy’s read on Herve’s comment that he was NOT calling David thoughtless, but was feeling out of the loop and wondering if others knew what was going on. David is the only one who knows what’s going on and that is fine. As I say, it’s his blog.

    But whatever happens, we are family and family we will remain. We can stay connected through emails, phone calls and visits. And who knows? If David closes down this blog, maybe one of us will start another.

    Life is change and change is good. Let’s just appreciate what we have now and trust that what is to come will be just as wonderful, if not more so…

    peace to all
    Patricia

  • OK, heavy meals served here lately, we need some sherbet to clean the palate. No essay, but here it is, as promised, 16 shots from LOVEFESTs, San Francisco.

    Yes, editing is not easy, but you can do it. It’s better not to be a great photographer, of course….;-)

    http://www.pbase.com/uc/lovefest&view=slideshow

  • Okay, now that we are all family and getting ready for a digital group hug in order to solidfy our feeling of togetherness, I want everyone here to know this: no, you can’t borrow money from Uncle Akaky. The chances of this happening are minimal to the point of nonexistence, so dont even bother asking. Uncle Akaky is already so pissed off at himself for deleting an entire memory card full of Hispanic Day parade pictures, including that Colombian tango girl showing a little more than she probably wanted to in that scissors kick, that any chance of your getting money out of him for the forseeable future vanished along with the pictures and your best chance of long term survival is to stay away from him for as long as possible.

  • Oh, yes, it’s not that long, look slideshow-wise.

    Thanks!

  • Akaky!!

    The images can most likely be recovered. Don’t do anything with the card….email me at andrew (dot) brinkhorst (at) gmail (dot) com if you need help…

  • HERVE

    As they love to say, “ONLY in SF!!!” Your pics are vibrant, full of life, have nice variety and really give me a feeling of being there. My personal faves are: 1, 2, 5, 6, 10, 14.

    Thank you so much for showing us your work, Herve. As I’ve said to you privately, I think you are a hell of a photographer!!!

    Patricia

  • ANDREW B, sent you the email!

  • HERVE.

    Maybe we ALL need to go to Lovefest together next year. :))

    What an event! You gave us a great taste of it. I have many favorite individual images but also enjoy the feel of the entire group.

  • Thanks to Cathy and Gina for the kind words about the site.

  • hello all!
    Not to be impatient or anything haha…where is the slideshow link for our workshop? Some friends and family are getting a little bit annoying bc they keep asking where they can see the whole thing put together…

    Even a timeframe guess-timate would be awesome too!

  • I was anxious reading previous posts!!!!
    Back to calm…

    I burnt film and prints today – the setup for a new beginning, hope to start a project soon – to share things here other than words…to be part of the family…

    BOB
    thank for your peaceful post.

    PAT
    i think you’re right, and as always, your words are wise…and peaceful…

    PANOS
    You’re right with your ‘vampire’ post.
    But as said David B.
    “i’m not sure anyone here has ‘expected’ anything from dah or from the blog.. apart from some conversation, some new connections and some inspiration from other posters, as well as dah.. not certain there is disrespect.. ”
    And Patricia:
    ‘We’re family’.

    So of course DAH gives us a lot, but even if he don’t need us, i think he’s free, and the ambience there is of love and respect. No?????

    is your trip to Paris always ok???

    DAVID BOWEN
    how are you?? DECADE is going or you’re focused on doing film BW???
    PS’may be try a chemist?’
    ;-)
    (ps: i want an EOS1!!! i sold mine one year ago :-((( – the main problem is noise with that kind of cameras…)

    peace love to all

  • Kristen, are you looking for the loft workshop 2008 slideshow? if so, the link is on DAH’s home page (link to the right), under movies….

  • Herve 3, 6, 11, 14 are my faves.

    Back to the photography, and still deep in garage sale, but took a departure Sunday to shoot a modern Maid Marian:

    http://www.humanfiles.com/slideshows/marian/maid_marian.htm

    Who wouldn’t, right?

  • DAH —
    Hi. I sent an email to you about a project idea that is getting kicked around. No major input needed, just wanted to make sure I wouldn’t be stepping on any toes before presenting the idea to the group at large.
    Thanks,
    ~Alicia

  • DAVID

    I know you are busy. I have short question but like always, answer only if you will have Time or some big a break.
    I know I asked many questions last time about my photography and I took many time of this forum but it will be the last one and very important for me. And your opinion in this case is most important to me.
    I prepare few my images and alex webb’s.

    http://marcinluczkowski.com/vs.jpg

    This is most natural way of shooting for me. I do not think and pretend nothing and nobody.
    I like divide frames and condense my images. I like configurations and horizontals and verticals on my pictures.

    And my quetion is (please look at pictures above)

    DO I COMMIT SUICIDE SHOOTING THIS WAY??

    i do not want to be nobody than me self. Shit… I think my most instinctive and natural way of taking pictures will kill me as a artist.
    shit shit.
    I know it’s look like weak Alex Webb.

    So what you think?
    Suicide?

  • David McG —
    Shockwave apparently doesn’t like me today.. :(
    I get nothing at your last link, except a white page with a “go here” at the bottom for your other galleries..
    ~a

  • jean.

    i’m teaching bnw.. pinhole today went okay.. took longer than hoped.. some good results.. and some promise of good results.

    decade is starting up again, since i now have the rest of the negatives over from the uk to complete the editing.. it’s all guns blazing from here on in..
    i’m aware that much of my work alongside the blog, due to teaching and also due to a lack of proper filing in the past, is backward looking.. the latest snaps i post will be from the furthest back.. not for long though.

    baby birth and the love affair into which he is born will be up soon.. for pleasure.. for fun.. for the sheer joy of new life and the pleasure of friendship.. for bob, dah, panos, patricia, DMC, anton, erica, eric, lisa, lee, audrey and more and more and more and more.
    oh – and for the love of photography.. for the love of following links about photography.. for the love of seeing photos.. seeing other people in them.. understanding relativity.. understanding.. seeing.. calm eyes around the world.. peace..

    one thing herve said struck me – NYC and the aftermath.. those of us who could not make it will no doubt wonder.. with bobs sad goodbye and panos flying off the handle.. who knows whats been brewing.. not me..

    the only thing we can really depend upon is change – and as anton says.. it’s going to be good.. believe it.. please.. despite the negativity filtering onto the thread from wherever, lets remember what we’re doing here.. connecting over photography.. sharing links.. contributing positively to each others lives..

    never mind chips, tonight i’m having pea’s with everything.

  • Hummm, somebody had that problem in Safari once so they switched to Firefox and it worked fine. Or it could be a shockwave plugin upgrade needed. That’s all I know.

  • david mc..
    thats the life man.. woods.. play.. music.. would be great to see a collection of the many individual shoots you have bubbled away doing over the years.. garage sale is superb.. strong.. emotive stuff.. you have much more than that as well..

    marcin..
    my thoughts .. a humble opinion, though i know it’s not been asked for – why are you worried? you’re a talented and visually intelligent photographer.. hell any of our work could be selected and placed next to another photographers with similar style.. and compared..
    if you do your own thing though, there will be no comparisons.. there will only be you and what you shoot..
    learn about other snappers, soak up their work until you’re happy and then try to forget about them..
    your work is great.
    why belittle it and panic? you’ve got style.

    suicide? nah.. show your work.. more .. show everyone..

  • DMcG…
    I, too, get teh white page only….this happened to me last time and it never did work, somehow or other I found a link to the movie and loaded it directly and saw it…

    I’m using Internet Exploder…err, Explorer…

  • Yeah, sorry about that. (I didn’t know anyone still used Explorer?!?) It would probably work if you downloaded Firefox, a free download. Good to know though—I wonder what I can do differently?

  • David B.

    Thanks. Your opinion are welcome :) always.

  • David M.

    I’ve not seen your link also :) I am using Opera

  • David McG and Andrew B —
    You appear to be right. Shockwave wasn’t loading in IE correctly. Safari wouldn’t load at all. Firefox worked once I got QuickTime going.
    Nice setting for a fun little shoot. I only wish our fall colors and light were still like that (unfortunately we had snow in Wyoming last week..)..
    ~alicia

  • Ha! David

    I saw first pictures! Nice works my friend!

    http://insight.magnumphotos.com/

    http://insight.magnumphotos.com/insight/colorado

  • Thanks guys – sorry about the tech problems. I don’t know why it needs shockwave when it’s a .mov – maybe I can find a way to work around that.

  • I love the last 2 minutes of a football game. No matter the game, the fact that it’s about to end makes it so exciting… There’s always another game soon, but at the moment it seems otherwise.

    Football Fan

    “you can’t get aids from the ass”
    – gary the retard from the howard stern show

  • Mr. Football Fan, did you wander in and think you were somewhere else? This is a photography blog.

    Patricia

  • MARCIN.

    Thanks for letting us know David’s new site it up.
    Looks great.

    I’m sure yours is too! :)) I will look asap…gotta run for a few minutes.

  • Crap! I think the way I was saving my web pages before was creating an unnecessary need for the shockwave plugin – should be quite compatible now! Sorry about the trouble!

  • DMcG
    I kinda wondered why I needed shockwave for a .mov last time…forgot to ask you…I finally got it to work by looking somewhere and seeing the link to the .mov file and browsing to that…

    cheers,
    A.

  • OK, crud. Alec Soth was here last weekend at the University of KY art museum and gave a lecture and I missed it.

    :(

  • MARCIN again.

    I especially like the rear-view mirror and dinosaur images very much.

    No need to worry about Alex Webb…you don’t know what he would have done if he were there. This is what YOU shot.

    I also love strong verticals in my shots and did this before I ever knew of Alex. Is it necessary to stop just because he does it too? I hope not.

    Yes, we want to be individuals and not copy… just keep shooting and all will be fine :))

  • David McG —
    In fairness, never assume I have set correctly on my computer at any given moment. As some among us will tell you, I am not the most tech savvy individual.. (halo).. It was just easy to note my computer was waiting on Shockwave.
    A good point, though (for everybody, myself included): Unless you only want/expect certain people with up-to-date everything on their systems looking at images and shows, it is always good to load a project on multiple browsers (when possible). This will at least give you a better idea of what will or won’t work for others.

  • MARCIN.

    Sorry, you were asking for David’s opinion…I didn’t mean to interfere…I thought you wanted comments from all :((

    DAVID MG.
    Could not see…let us know when you work it out.

  • *anything (set correctly)

  • Man, I always get on here with the intent of contributing, but it takes so damn long to read through a post I get worn out!

    My sentiments on McCain are spoken well enough by Rafal and others to repeat. I feel sorry for him, he’s lost his soul and I think he’s feeling it. Tragic story, really…I don’t usually gravitate towards tragedy as a photographic subject, so I’ll leave it to others better suited for such an undertaking.

    If I were given the opportunity to photograph Obama I would take one photograph, with me, on my iPhone, and then I would shake his hand and say, let’s just sit here for the rest of the time…I’m sure he could use a couple moments where he doesn’t have to fight hundreds of years of racism, decades of the GOP’s stranglehold on the consciousness of middle America, and years of the Rove/Cheney/Rumsfeld “Plan for a New American Century”…where he doesn’t have do be chided for not being a good bowler, or implicated in terrorism because he is a good neighbor, or ridiculed for being a “community organizer”, or accused of extremist black reverse-racism because he goes to church and loves his pastor…Somehow through all the muck he has had to wade through and the mud he has had to wipe off his face, he’s remained unflappable, confident in his mission, and true to his vision of re-invigorating politics from the ground up, re-envisioning a government that is by the people, of the people, and for the people. He has marched through every glad-handing photo-op, every debate, jumped through every hoop that has been hurled his way, and he just keeps getting stronger.

    This election is a historical event of epic proportions, and IMO Barack Obama has the potential to become one of the greatest statesmen in American history. My only fear, as expressed by a lifelong Democrat whom I canvassed about a week ago, is that the country is not ready for him. At least this guy wasn’t.

    The fact that this election is not already a landslide victory for Obama speaks to the dark side of the American consciousness, and it will say a lot about us as a nation whether or not we have the hope and courage to elect him. Because the winds of change are upon us whether we want them to come or not, and we can either keep dragging our feet and cocoon ourselves in fear and “anger”, or we can go with a man who sees change as an opportunity, a grand opportunity to step boldy into the future and harness the ingenuity and creativity that is bubbling up from everywhere (including right here) to create a culture of respect and constructive action.

    Alright, enough of that. Just make sure you vote, people. And volunteer if you can. Time is running out…

  • Cathy, I’m not sure for all, but at this point I think the very most you should need is a current quicktime plugin for your browser. My .mov should be no different than viewing the movies here on the blog. It’s best if you have high speed, of course.

  • Magnum/elections/state of our world

    EVERYONE!

    Let’s do the same. I watch the few pictures from the new Magnum insight, and I feel like it’s a damned good idea since we are all connected, most surely so, to our daily lives, and the events of the world, and can “report” on it as well, any which way fits us. It’s a perfect subject to take on as a collective, a DAH collective. Even if in not in the USA. Pictures mus be taken anew, in October.

    By the end, 3 weeks from now, it will all connect, and well, it seems that may be the only chance we have to do something that involves us together before blog’s end. If Blog ends.

    So we shoot OCTOBER and our world today, seen in our vicinity. Anything goes, but each photo does have a caption/text that tells us something about the shot. We take a site that allows us free membership and unlimited download, like Pbase, etc…, give ourselves the password, sign in as we wish and just post.

    What do you say?

  • Obama. I find his face, i.e. facial expressions to be much interesting than McCain’s and by this I mean I have a slightly harder time reading Obama than I do McCain. I prefer to have to dig a little when doing portraits, to find that moment when suddenly the person’s true personality is exposed. With McCain I find him instantly readable, perplexing sometimes, but readable and therefore boring.

  • HERVE – I’m loving your idea , The themes that run through this thread are themes that run through lives , people have been reading this blog , loooking at good pictures for long enough to know not to put up less that what they consider their best – so why the hell not?
    I’m In!

  • I wouldnt photograph either mccain or obama
    I would photograph regular folks, families, different generations, look at what affects them now. what is it that they’re breathing with. in the west there is somehow an optimistic view that human affairs or societies are ‘fixable’ either through better planning, organization or technology or something else. We feel the power of human genius to achieve happiness through analysis and control, or may be xtra work hours, invention, making ourselves and everyone else perfect if they (poor things those on the east or south) havent come up with this on their own. the history shows though that no matter how hard we try, everything transforms into something else, often different from what we have imagined or/and eventually disappears all together. the idea of western democracy has exhausted itself a while ago. what was proclaimed as a salvation and for a while contributed to so called “progress’, im talking about the free expression of an individual, appeared to be a double edged sword. human life however is still incredibly fraile. we’re no more sheltered from extinction or pain
    and by continuing to believe that one or another individual would solve anything we inevitably shooting ourselves in the foot. what is even scarier that most of the people deliberately dont want to notice how easily they’re being manipulated by left or right or middle as if there is somehow a mysterious power of someone “up on the hill” who would show them how to live.

  • Marina
    With ALL due respect, I feel that one individual CAN solve problems, or at least move the conversation toward some resolution of problems. One individual can also create problems and you have to look no further than dick cheney to see that. Agreed that people don’t want to know they’re being manipulated — however if a person who is fighting for good rather than evil is manipulating them, so much the better.

    Peace.

    E.

  • LANCE

    I have just looked at your new rodeo portraits and am blown away! You have managed to give me a real feeling for these men whose lives are unlike any I have ever known. Your b&w images are as good as it gets, in my opinion, crisp, with distinct tonalities and sharp contrast. I love how you allow some of their faces to be in shadow. The only I would be conscious of in the future is trying to vary your POV. There’s a bit too much sameness of perspective. But that’s my only suggestion. You’re doing great!

    Patricia

  • PETE

    I’ve just visited your new web site

    http://www.the37thframe.org/

    and am very impressed. It is a visionary concept and a very well designed site. Look forward to checking in often. Good for you to see the need for such a resource and to make it happen!

    And it’s very cool of you to have a special section for DAH’s emerging photographers and students. It will be great to see that page fill up with the work of people we know here on this blog.

    Patricia

  • CHRIS BICKFORD

    Nice to see your name here after a long absence. Love your photography! Please pipe up more.

    EVERYBODY

    Photograph McCain or Obama? Check out the latest issue of the Digital Journalist for a double feature on two photographers who have spent a long, long time with each candidate. Especially see Callie Shell’s work on Obama, great stuff!

    http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0810/callie-intro.html

  • PATRICIA,

    Thanks. I am getting a great response. My page view count is through the roof for this just being a few days old.

    I am getting many great suggestions for links.

    I am looking forward to linking to the work of the photographers on this blog. David was very generous to let me promote it on here, and is very supportive of the idea.

    We both agree that more people seeing the work can only be a good thing.

    I should post the link again though so everyone does not have to search for it a few pages back.

    http://www.the37thframe.org

  • I found Davids comments to be his fine. I prefer Steve’s work to Alex Webbs… Panos and I had this same discussion months ago when I covered his lecture in los angeles… I did not find his comments cutting at all… flavors and tastes… I’ve said it before too… Negative comments look worst written down without tone or delivery.,,

    Ryancito

  • Thanks Sidney, and that’s a great link. It’s powerful to see all of Callie Shell’s Obama photos together as a piece. I hadn’t put it together until now that she was the photographer behind all my favorite shots from the campaign. Somebody should do a book on this campaign because from beginning to end it’s been a hell of a race–it would make a great movie too, but let’s hope hollywood has a little patience and dignity and waits a while before they make it. Making a movie drama about W while he’s still in office is a little strange…

    Marina, of course it is naive to expect the president to solve all of the world’s problems. But it is also naive not to recognize the incredible power that the US president wields, and how incredibly important is to have the right person in that office. It can mean all the difference in the world, as eight years of George Bush has hammered home in the most unpleasant way.

    Pete, your site looks great. Lots of great work on there. I really enjoyed seeing Matt Slaby’s work. He’s really good.

    Lance, beautiful light, tonality, emotion on those photos. There’s a strong feeling of drama in them. I concur with Patricia though; because the bg is exactly the same in all of them, you will only be able to use one (possibly two) in your final edit. My vote would be the first one and/or the one with the old man. The idea of using more portrait-style photos adds a lot of power to the piece, you should shoot more of them.

  • ALL..
    Please go to the
    Link : “WORK IN PROGRESS”..
    David wants you to see something
    really cool and NOSTALGIC..
    DAH new work..
    Don’t miss it..
    Just posted..

    AGAIN.. Go click on
    WORK IN PROGRESS

    PEACE

  • RYAN,
    Please show ALL here your
    Work.. Stop hiding..!;-)
    You are not ELITE..
    You are my BEST FRIEND..
    Period.. So..
    Share with us.. Share with all..
    Please..
    Your fashion work is fantastic..
    Please submit for EPF..

    P.MAROVICH..
    How did I miss that..
    You are the man..
    All my support to your efforts..

    HERVE,
    Great idea..
    ( I called you twice bitch..! Sleeping?
    In frisco..! Already..? ;-)

    Peace…

  • Mr.FOOTBALL FAN..
    Welcome..

    Yes.. GARY THE RETARD is my
    favorite too..
    I love him even more than
    WENDY…

    Retards in general are an OASIS
    in our cruel world..
    Viva BABABOUI..
    ;-)

  • sidney
    those obama photoa are something special.. subject and snapper showing resrect and trust.. great stuff.. thanks..

  • Just got home, Panos, went to down a few beers at a friend’s house tonight, anyway I thought you were going to call me back around 1PM?

    So, we have Glenn and you, with me interested to do an OCTOBER 2008 gallery, so far. Let’s see if a 4th one barges in, maybe we can create a pull by starting it.

    Come on all, financial meltdown, election hopes, blog living its last weeks, and we just looking around us and shoot and make it a collective work.

  • Cathy, All

    You know I care about opinion all of you. You never have to ask or worry if you want say some opinion about my work. even if it not positive opinion. All critic is welcome.

    Cathy

    “I especially like the rear-view mirror and dinosaur images very much.

    No need to worry about Alex Webb…you don’t know what he would have done if he were there. This is what YOU shot.”

    You see, Cathy this is very good example, because this is Alex Webb’s pictures…

    I wrote “I prepare few my images and alex webb’s.”
    To compere…

    It’s mean I have big trouble, because first of all you’ve not seen differences and second You have chosen two alex’s photos.
    Important lesson.

    Thank you.

  • MARCIN…

    i hope you know i never mind answering your questions…i am a little sleepy tonight, so i will not take long…

    this work is a departure for you, but definitely not suicide!!! i really like very much the last two…boy in mirror and the dinosaur picture…perhaps they are a bit derivative of Alex, but all photographs are derivative in one way or another, and you should always feel free to explore in any direction your mood strikes….you do not want to be “handcuffed” for any reason..besides, when you “play” with one style or another, it always eventually takes you somewhere you did not expect…i do recall some of your earlier black & white not being so far away from this look anyway….

    please forgive my memory loss, but did you stop Hometown for sure or are you just waiting for a new inspiration on that subject???

    you know what i am going to say i am sure…my challenge with you is to get you to finish something one way or the other…this seems to be your biggest enemy…finishing….

    please note that some photographers can work on something forever and others have a very short attention span (i.e. Martin Parr)…all you have to do is recognize your weaknesses and then just turn these weaknesses into strengths, as does Martin…

    are you really sure you want to give up on Hometown??? to give yourself a little boost, why not try it using the shooting style i have just seen and combining it with your older Hometown style…just a thought…

    ok, falling asleep….hope we chat tomorrow…

    cheers, david

  • Ha, ha, ha

    Yes I have committed suicide putting my pictures and Alex together!!

    Best answer!!!

    Ok, I am rush now. I will write more later. Thank you!
    :)

  • HOW CAN YOU VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS ?????
    please….. look at this video

  • HOW CAN YOU VOTE FOR THE
    MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS,,…??????

    Come you masters of war
    You that build the big guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build all the bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks

    You that never done nothin’
    But build to destroy
    You play with my world
    Like it’s your little toy
    You put a gun in my hand
    And you hide from my eyes
    And you turn and run farther
    When the fast bullets fly

    Like Judas of old
    You lie and deceive
    A world war can be won
    You want me to believe
    But I see through your eyes
    And I see through your brain
    Like I see through the water
    That runs down my drain

    You fasten all the triggers
    For the others to fire
    Then you set back and watch
    While the death count gets higher
    Then you hide in your mansion
    While the young people’s blood
    Flows out of their bodies
    And is buried in the mud

    You’ve thrown the worst fear
    That can ever be hurled
    Fear to bring children
    Into the world
    For threatening my baby
    Unborn and unnamed
    You ain’t worth the blood
    That runs in your veins

    How much do I know
    To talk out of turn
    You might say that I’m young
    You might say I’m unlearned
    But there’s one thing I know
    Though I’m younger than you
    Even Jesus would never
    Forgive what you do

    Let me ask you one question
    Is your money that good
    Will it buy you forgiveness
    Do you think that it could
    I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul

    And I hope that you die
    And your death’ll come soon
    I will follow your casket
    In the pale afternoon
    And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
    Down to your deathbed
    And I’ll stand o’er your grave
    ‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead

    I WILL FOLLOW YOUR CASKET
    TILL IM SURE THAT YOURE DEAD

  • Pete, got to open your new site, and it won’t the last time. I followed Olivier Jobard’s work on Kingsley, the cameroon emigrant, for the SIPA agency. Sensible, heart-gripping work:

    http://mediastorm.org/0010.htm

    Marina, you say that people are manipulated in believing about a mysterious power that can take care of all. Not really as i see people living their lives here. Isn’t that reducing people too much? And aggrandizing ourselves, as if we know how to arrange and give a sense to our own lives better than them?

    These accidents you mention that happen to new trends and ideas, what we call here basically “2 steps forward, one back” are also happening in our lives. It’s the natural course of life, not a reason to find little value in progress and democracy as they develop and meander. IMO.

  • HOW CAN YOU VOTE FOR
    THE MASTERS OF WAR… MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS???

    ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2kk-v7NLr4

  • Panos,

    I have no idea how anyone could vote for McCain after 8 years of Bush. Those 8 years have seen the destruction of the American economy, which lies on the brink of collapse. Its brought wars and death, murder, the rape of civil rights and human rights. As bad as Bush was John McCain would be even worse. He is a war monger, a man who sings about bombing Iran like its a beach Boys tune…who openly wishes to anhilate other countries. he is a man without a conscience, a man who has plunged himself into a sewer duroing this campaign with his lies, a man who incites racial violence at his rallies and does nothing when people scream out death threats against Obama. Finally, he is a man who sold his office, sold the trust of those he was supposed to represent to a scumbag like Keating. How is this man even fit for the job he wants to have?

  • wow, Rafal…
    can the rest of the world see things as clear as you do ?????
    NOT REALLY…im afraid…
    but lets hope im wrong….!

  • THAT GOES TO MY LEADERS:

    “…And I hope that you die
    And your death’ll come soon…”

    bob dylan

  • this one for the owner of HALLIBURTON

    “…I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul…”

  • Beginning in 2004, accounts of abuse, torture, sodomy[1] and homicide[2] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. The acts were committed by some personnel of the 372nd Military Police Company of the United States Army together with additional American governmental agencies.[3] These additional agencies have been referred to as the OGA (Other Government Agencies), which is an often used euphemism for the Central Intelligence Agency.

  • As revealed by the 2004 Taguba Report, a criminal investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command had already been underway since 2003 where multiple recruits from the 320th MP Battalion had been charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with prisoner abuse. In 2004 articles of the abuse, including pictures showing military personnel abusing prisoners, came to public attention, when a 60 Minutes II news report (April 28) and an article by Seymour M. Hersh in The New Yorker magazine (posted online on April 30 and published days later in the May 10 issue) reported the story.[4] Janis Karpinski, the commander of Abu Ghraib, demoted for her lack of oversight regarding the abuse,

    estimated later that 90% of detainees in the prison were innocent.[5]

    INNOCENT
    INNOCENT
    INNOCENT
    INNOCENT
    INNOCENT
    INNOCENT

  • The U.S. Department of Defense removed seventeen soldiers and officers from duty, and seven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and September 2005, seven soldiers were convicted in courts martial, sentenced to federal prison time, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, Specialist Charles Graner, and his former fiancée, Specialist Lynndie England, were sentenced to ten years and three years in prison, respectively, in trials ending on January 14, 2005 and September 26, 2005. The commanding officer at the prison, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, was demoted to the rank of Colonel on May 5, 2005. Col. Karpinski has denied knowledge of the abuses claiming that the interrogations were authorized by her superiors and performed by subcontractors, and that she was not even allowed entry into the interrogation rooms.

  • Quotes from a prisoner
    They said we will make you wish to die and it will not happen […] They stripped me naked. One of them told me he would rape me. He drew a picture of a woman to my back and made me stand in shameful position holding my buttocks.
    —Ameen Saeed Al-Sheik, detainee No. 151362, [18]
    ‘Do you pray to Allah?’ one asked. I said yes. They said, ‘[Expletive] you. And [expletive] him.’ One of them said, ‘You are not getting out of here health[y], you are getting out of here handicapped. And he said to me, ‘Are you married?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ They said, ‘If your wife saw you like this, she will be disappointed.’ One of them said, ‘But if I saw her now she would not be disappointed now because I would rape her.’ ” […] “They ordered me to thank Jesus that I’m alive.” […] “I said to him, ‘I believe in Allah.’

    So he said, ‘But I believe in torture and I will torture you.’

    —Ameen Saeed Al-Sheik, [18]

  • Response of U.S. Government officials

    U.S. President George W. Bush claimed the acts were in no way indicative of normal or acceptable practices in the United States Army, though he also attempted to downplay the incident.

  • since you are all photographers…
    click here to see those “amazing” photos..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

    ABUSE
    ABUSE
    ABUSE
    ABUSE
    ABUSE…

    ALL… PLEASE GO REPUBLICANS….!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • They ordered me to thank Jesus that I’m alive.” […] “I said to him, ‘I believe in Allah.’

    So he said, ‘But I believe in torture and I will torture you.

  • OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM:

    “…I believe in torture and I will torture you…”

  • ALL

    Callie Shell’s images on Obama are also on exhibit at the Leica Gallery in NYC. Also… Callie is a dear friend of DAH (and mine). She had a beautiful projection at LOOK this year. her husband Vince Musi is the MC of the festival as well.

    if you are in NYC – please check out Callie’s exhibit (with David Burnett) at Leica….

  • DAVID –

    nice Works in Progress…. great American Family!!

  • HERVE

    well.. october the 6th my son was born and of course some of those photos can go towards an october project gallery…
    lets try to get a selection of the widest possible human interest going on.. news, people, life, death, whatever.. a big bunch of snaps with all the everyday and extraordinary events which surround us..

    so.. 3 weeks give or take left.. easy..
    nice idea.
    onward.

  • USA people.

    the rest of the world wants obama
    http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0810/images/callie/25.jpg
    berlin – 200 000 animals (© callie shell)

  • Ok I have some time to answer.

    DAVID

    Thank you.
    This is my mistake that I did not showed which one are mine pictures and which are Alex’s. I thought Alex’s pictures I put witch mine are well knowed.
    Mine is three above and alex’s three below. boy in mirror and the dinosaur picture are alex webb’s pictures, that’s why you like them :/
    But it showed only that my worries was not unfounded.
    It looks like Alex Webb only a few levels down.
    I am asked because I am mental preparing to thailand. I will try to shoot more “deeply” but I am worry that I will copy Webb that way.
    But maybe you are right maybe it will take me somewhere on my own path.
    One more thank you for your time. And All, thank you too.

    About “hometown”.

    When I’ve started working at “hometown” I was many time in Kamienna Gora ( grow up city). I had no stright plan, but there was many interesting things to show. But now I will not go to my hometown as often as before.
    Now I am thinking how to make my vision more widely and start working in other cities in poland. But it will be big project. I have no time (bills work) and money and possibilities to do it properly.

    If I wanted work at “hometown” I have to push big maschine. Speak with many people, be very mobile, convice many people.
    But I am not able do it right now. For many reasons. Money, time, purpose. (!)

    Right now I can’t imagine that I go to many people and I will say “hey I want shoot your life. why? because I like shoot people…”
    Nonsense.
    I have good lesson after my project about trassexual persons. Do not start bother people if you are not able raise whole work!

    And I still have about 30 films in my fridge I did for my hometown last time. I promised send portraits to some people but I have no money for procces those films and for paper even.
    Do not think that I complaine for money one againe please, I just describe situation.

    But simultenously I work on it, just very slowly. I just have problem bother people with my camera. I short talk with some homless persons on my street almost everyday, but I will not take my camera without good reason. And they are most important part of my vision of “hometown”.
    I hope you know what I mean.

    I know you want force me finish something one way or the other. But I think “hometown is too ambitious for me right now. Soon I will force myself.

    I am not too good in relations with people and if I want work with them I have to treat this project as a job. Almost journalistic job.
    But I am not journalist. Just ordinary guy with camera.

    During next year I will more standardize my photography. I will find some good job and try do some more personal pojects.
    And probably I will finish my hometown project.

    I have many others ideas.

    One more thanks.

  • MARCIN,
    Fucking…
    Finish
    Finish
    Finish
    Finish..
    Never stop until you bust a nut..

    “MY MAMA TOLD ME, NEVER STOP UNTIL YOU BUST A NUT…”

    2PAC…

    RYAN KARIM SHARIF….

    At last… You showing work to us..?
    Don’t expect money, glory or good
    words here.. We are all PHOTOGS
    Ready to kill eachother…
    ;-)

    Just kiddin…!
    GREAT WORK..
    More
    More
    More!!!

    Ok… Gotta go drive now..
    Last day in the desert today!!!!

  • DAH

    Just wanted to let you know, it may be my machine and/or Internet Explorer, but when I look at the Colorado essay on the Magnumphotos Insight page, the photo essay lays over the top of your bio…you can read one line of the bio at the top, and the very end of it at the bottom…might be a layout problem that only shows up in IE, not sure….

    Very nice work with that family, I like the inclusion of the extra images on your “work in progress” page here…

    best regards,
    Andrew

  • This is my favorite most recent stuff from two weeks ago:

    http://tinyurl.com/4qa5ua

  • Andrew,
    Yes .. Get rid of Internet Explorer
    ASAP..( or anything else signed by
    Microsoft..)
    THE SOONER THE BETTER..
    It’s contagious..
    (remember: dispose microsoft products
    properly)
    VERY TOXIC…
    ;-)

  • I’d have liked to photograph Biden or Richardson.

    New site with a new assignment section should anyone be interested.

    http://photohumourist.com

  • I guess I should hide my McCain/Palin button when I wander through this neck of the woods.

  • HERVE..
    Guess who else is supporting
    Your idea..??

    Gorgeous LASSAL..
    Wants me to tell you..
    that approves your idea..
    ( .. She can’t post right now..
    But she is watching you(us)…)

    Hey Lassal!!!
    ;-)))))

  • AKAKY..
    ;-)))))

    Souls like yours: invaluable …

    Republican or Democrat
    Or atheist or Christian or Muslim ..!
    Who cares..

    THERE IS ONLY ONE AKAKY
    OUT THERE..
    And we can’t live without him..
    ( yeah.. Throw that button away.. btw…!)
    ;-)))))

  • PANOS

    Going to ditch internet exploder as soon as possible!

    Tell Lassal (hi Lassal!) am going to buy her a postcard from keeneland today, Lee and I will be out there and maybe will take pictures of horses…if I win big, sponsorship for the DAH blog(gers)!!!!

  • Akaky..
    You know I’m kissing your ass..
    Just in case McC wins..
    (.. I don’t wanna get crucified you know!!!?)
    .. I know you know “people” out there…)
    ;-)))

  • Herve,

    Have you ever seen Google “sites”?

    Seems you can create a page to blog, share documents, images, anything….the interesting thing is that you can have lots of people having update as well as review permission….

    mightbe interesting to see if it could be applied to an “online collective” ….

    off to the races,
    A.

  • Do you still love me too, Panos? If not, I’ll try to be more witty in my writings.

  • Curse this blog. The things I’ve absorbed and learned here have created problems for me. Yesterday, I got a call from a place and they said they couldn’t print the image for me I’d sent in online…why?

    “It appears to be a professional photograph and we need you to show documented proof you are permitted to print it”

    :)

    I had to take my laptop in and show them the RAW files. Made my day.

    Now, really off to shoot and make more, better.

    A.

  • MARCIN

    I feel your pain about the people choosing Webb’s images, but, 2 things to consider in your favor..first, no one said, “These are obviously shot by 2 different people!”, meaning that there is enough congruity between them to show that yours aren’t just ‘low level’ Webbs..and secondly, for example, if I were the one asking this question by comparing my work side by side to avedon or penn or arbus, I wouldn’t be thinking that the stronger work would be mine at this stage..is it fair to yourself to feel that your work is in trouble because the ones chosen as the ‘best’ were by Alex? ..Alex clearly has a lot of skill at seeing this way, and I understand that this is also a natural and real way for you to see as well, but perhaps it is a question of you developing more fully.

    You might too want to look to others’ use the division lines and strong verticals for widening your perspective on the ‘device’..for example, Koudelka, he does it differently, but equally powerful and more creatively to my eyes..

    http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxZoom_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOBB00FFA&IT=ImageZoom01&PN=24&STM=T&DTTM=Image&SP=Album&IID=2S5RYDPSPSP&SAKL=T&SGBT=T&DT=Image

    http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxZoom_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOBB0SFHA&IT=ImageZoom01&PN=17&STM=T&DTTM=Image&SP=Album&IID=2S5RYDWZHAJ3&SAKL=T&SGBT=T&DT=Image

    http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxZoom_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOBB0SFHA&IT=ImageZoom01&PN=30&STM=T&DTTM=Image&SP=Album&IID=2S5RYDYXIXIX&SAKL=T&SGBT=T&DT=Image

    http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxZoom_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOBB0SFHA&IT=ImageZoom01&PN=46&STM=T&DTTM=Image&SP=Album&IID=2S5RYDI8GXT8&SAKL=T&SGBT=T&DT=Image

  • andrew b

    Google pages is great, I’ve used it before.

    I can also create a wiki server that can be updated by anyone with the same easy…

    I find the Google pages to be easier for everyone to use too…

    Create??

  • politics aside, the following is a link to flickr and some of the pics I took of the Hispanic Day Parade on Sunday, and I want to publicly thank Andrew B. for his help in saving a lot of them from my own stupidity.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akaky/sets/72157608048921384/

  • david,

    sorry i have not been on this. i have been at the eddie adams workshops.

    i would be MOST interested in photographing the reactions of the crowds. i think in the end the people are the ones who are greatly effected by the outcome. it would be very cool to photograph both sides. one side in color and the other in black and white. pair images together to show differences between both sides.

    this does need to be documented though. and documented well. there is allot at steak this year and allot to be changed.

    m

  • AUDREY

    I wouldn’t worry too much about only finding a few new images of your family..this project is vachement fort and will be stunning in its completion. Tu sais que je pense que ton travail sera classique..you are on the right path, just keep going.

    JENNIFER

    I keep meaning to thank you…(thank you!)

    SAM

    A bunny cam!! The frames would be a little bit bouncy! hop, hop, hop.. Glad you are enjoying the links.

  • Erica

    Thank you.
    Like always, wise words, good eye.
    :)

  • DAVID Mc G…
    Hell yeah , I love you..
    I can’t wait actually with this
    Election thing to be over..
    So we go back to our photo business
    as usual.. Enough distraction already..
    And I agree.. Things are way more
    complicated than I think..
    It’s way beyond McCain or Obama..
    Way beyond the Steelers or the Red Sox..
    or the Lakers Vs 76ers…

    ALL OF MY LOVE TO YOU
    DAVID Mc G..
    ;-)))

  • we need to do this MAGAZINE
    David McG…
    You know what I mean!!!
    ;-)

  • HERVE! :))))))))))))

    GREAT IDEA! :))))…by the way, loved the pics from LoveFest parade! :)))

    TOM H: not being elitist…i will vote for Obama…what i meant was that, as marina wrote, i am not interested in the specific politicians (photographically) but the lives of the people, so i would choose neither (to photograph)…reading Travels with Herotodus, and it gives lots of perspective about history, indeed ;))))…but VOTING is an ESSENTIAL RESPONSIBILITY of all…the worst part is that the PARTIES/MACHINE have more influence than the individual members…in the elections here, our local MP (member of parliment) who was amazing, lost because of the her opponent’s machine…so, it’s arguable about how things change due to politics, but that said, individual politicans have tremendous impact, locally and globally : witness bush….lots of sadness and blood on that administration…hope that clarifies ;)))…

    HILALRY: email sent :))))…

    CHRISTINA: :)) great work, will write u tonight…

    running
    bob

  • ALL.. Please do not
    Miss Ryan karim sharifs
    Work.. Few posts above…
    RYAN POST AGAIN..
    People need to see your work..
    It’s different than the ordinary..
    It’s like BOBBLACK
    or DALI or LA CHAPPELLE..
    But it’s not..
    RYAN COME OUT..
    Show us what you can do..
    I know you are only 22..
    But you kick ass..
    We are not elite over here..
    WE NEED YOU HERE. biarchhh!

  • Panos, Glenn, David B and I, so we are 4.

    Ok, one problem, giving the password to everyone, then some idiot or disenchanted member makes up a new one and undoes or inundate the site witrh filth and vendetta. Anonymously as usual.

    Up to you, if someone wants to do that on google, just let us know. I am familiar with Pbase, I have the account to accomodate our project, only I will ask people to e-mail me the pix and caption/text, which I will add AS IS on the gallery on that site. best to avoid big size, 100 or 200K, and 800×640 is plenty, but Pbase allows pix to be viewed in homogenous average sizes, so much leeway.

    Again, free subjects, but it must have some kind of meaning why you think it fits as an October 2008 photo. And the caption/text must indicate that. Even “the Smith family, october 17th” is fine. I suppose it may all make seense when the project is over, loosely around the 6th of November (one month after little Tor Capa was born, see my PS)

    FlickR is fine too, but remember, 200 is top download before paid subscription.

    As I just said, if someone knows a better way and want to handle it, no problem.

    PS: David B, the new born as a first pix is dynamite. Tor Capa has secured the prime spot!

  • can anyone who wants to contribute to the google collaboration just email me your email address and I’ll add you to the list of collaborators?

    ryan@ryansharif.com

  • HERVE.

    Good idea. Sounds fun. Great opportunity for us to do a group project.

    You’re a GENIUS :))))

    Don’t know what I will be able to come up with time-wise for shooting…driving to San Diego next week.
    Count me in. I will certainly “give it a shot” :)) haha
    What is the time frame again? Till the election? Till the blog ends?

  • I don’t get it Ryan..
    Explain…! I’m driving right now..
    What did I miss??

  • Or we could start a flickr group too!

  • AGGHHH!!

    I don’t see how I am going to be able to tighten up an edit of just 50 for EPF..as I shot this for a MM piece, and it is about the many (people) and the place, and I want to show this through (a wide / numerous) diversity of imagery within the unity..sh*t!!!!!!

    Breathing, but I need help somehow SPECIFICALLY ON THIS: how do you translate a wider MM edit to a still edit? Lisa brought this up awhile back, and it is rather pertinent to me now.

    I have portraits in 2 formats, and ‘foundation’ shots of the streets and places in 35mm..for the mm there is audio of course..but DAH..I am unclear if we can show a MM piece (not sure it would be ready anyhow in time) and I have about 50 portraits to show and maybe 20 of these foundation shots, at least as a wide edit…

    DAH, ANY ADVICE?????????????????????????????????

    (You once said you look for the question marks, so this time, I’m using them :))

    must I cut cut cut..

  • Thanks, Bob and all who took time to look at my little LOVEFEST gallery.

    I fared badly, for 3 years, with crowd dancing shots, even my blurred Santa did not make the cut.

    Panos, we finally talked last night, 1AM (he greeted me with “you’re crazy”, this is fuckling insight!). Thanks for the advice on shooting what and how, this next asian trip. Though, your ideas will make us starve, for sure…. Bitch! :-)))

  • Erica, Patricia,
    thank you very much for your encouragement…

  • http://docs.google.com/EmbedSlideshow?docid=dcgckrjf_39h76mm7fdsize=l

    Ignore the first image…. I’m using it to give an example.

    -={ ( .)_(. ) }=-

  • HERVE

    I’m in! And I’ve just posted my entry on PBase:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/104595294

    You can use the caption that is posted under the pic.

    I must say I was energized by what and who I saw at Obama’s Detroit Campaign Headquarters today. Youth of different races working side by side with their elders to elect a man they all believe in. I was there to volunteer to drive folks to the polls on Election Day. Since I have a wheelchair accessible minivan I figured that might be of service to some, especially the elders.

    Knowing the Republican wizard Karl Rove and his ingenious ways of stealing elections, we need to do everything in our power to get as many persons of color to the polls as possible, for it has been proven that their votes are 900% more likely to be thrown out than those of whites. Welcome to America, a democracy for some…

    Patricia

  • so many hot hot hot
    Lady bloggers here…
    And I spent the whole night..
    Talking… In bed… with HERVE…!!???
    Damn I need a shrink…?
    ;-))))

  • Karim Sharif :)))

    WELCOME TO THE PLEASURE DOME! :)))))…

    ok, im like on a major run to teach, and re-appear after disappearing ;)))…so let me say that i love the stuff with “Vanessa”…the most recent URL you posted above. What i love in work, especially when a photographer has to work with a “model” (and this is a difficult and hard job, by the way) is when a photographer brings to the model a way to re-see the model, to shift shadow and light that suggest not the model, but a moment in which that person’s beauty or strangeness or oddity speaks to each of us….what i love in the Vaness pics is that you dont focus on the “beauty” of a model or a “woman” but on all the other sensual property of light and shadow, darkness and high-key light…that why we rejoice and are inspired by a person and by light is the impact it has on us :)))…the grain, the gorgeous tonality of light, the mixed memory of this person, the shadow as a fulcrum around which the memory of someone comes….the same is true with your other b/w stuff…you see freerer in b/w than color…you bring to those pics a freedom, an approach that is not jsut about “commerical” shooting, but about exploration…you feel me?…

    the best shooters in this type of work bring their personality to the shoot and it gets worked on with the light and the model, and it’s clear to me that you celebrate, not just these models, but the experience with them, of light and shadow and all that :))))

    i am so happy you are sharing your work with us…and dont be nervous or frightened……it’s all bark, but not bites…just licks )))))))))))…

    lovely work bro, keep sharing

    gotta split, so late…
    cheers
    bob

    oh, and p.s. take a look at the work of Francesca Woodman….you i think will be inspired by her:

    http://www.heenan.net/woodman/

    http://photoarts.com/journal/romano/woodman/

    http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=Francesca%20Woodman&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

    etc etc etc….

    by her books!

  • … That’s “my” bob…
    Now you talking..

    ALL…
    ( about Ryan Karim Sharif..)

    Two years ago as broke .. I mess..
    I didn’t even have a camera..
    Ryan , 22 years old with two
    little babies.. Gathered his last savings
    and bought me a D200 and 50mm ..
    He forced me to go to
    Venice and shoot…
    He gave me a laptop and all the software..
    He built me a website and introduced
    me to DAVID ALAN HARVEY..

    Ryan , I owe you everything..
    My Venice .. My inspiration..
    Ryan litterally took me out of
    SKIDROW.. He took me out of the gutter..
    Until I got the M8.. Half of my Venice
    Work was shot with that D200..

    That’s our RYAN..
    PLEASE , ALL , show him love..

    BOB.. Thank you for having a minute
    to honor that great guy.. That hides behind
    all my work..

    Peace

  • BOB

    So sweet to see you back among us, bro. It may only have been a few days absence but it felt like too LONG a time!!!

    KARIM

    Welcome to this wonderfully dysfunctional family ;~)

    Love the shots of Vanessa. You bring a unique blend of mystery & mood to this work and I applaud you!

    Hope you saw my comment and the link I posted above. I’m in with the gang in working on a collaborative pre-Election portfolio. My email is croneart@comcast.net

    Patricia

  • Karim, the collaboration? that’s for the October project, yes?

    At this minute, we have time to think over who is going to do what, on what (site). Karim, if you have it cornered and an easy proposition for everyone, you’re it. Just confirm, and the baby is yours. If it doesn’ t work out, we can transfer the shots to another site…..

    in the meantime, people, shoot! Even one image for 3 weeks is plenty, and let’s be reasonable, no essay within the OCTOBER essay, be sensible with the quantity of shots you download. Diversity is paramount.

    Again, Collective work the idea…. WITH A CAPTION.

  • RYAN,
    Let me please introduce you to
    My sister Patricia..
    Please please pay special attention
    to her.. You need to meet her in person..

  • Today it’s a great day for our blog..
    So much looooove today..

  • Feel free to invite people into the google document I created… the more the merrier and I have it set so that you can invite more people to collaborate.

    Bob
    Thank you for the very kind words. Francesca Woodman is amazing… frankly I get a feeling of great connection between her and her subjects.

    Patricia I just emailed you.

  • PANOS

    And Ryan CAN meet me in person because I’m planning a January train trip to LA where I’ll visit my sister & bro-in-law (in Burbank) for a few days before chugging on down to San Diego to stay with friends for a couple weeks. And you, my dear, are on my short list of folks to see ;~)))

    love
    Patricia

  • RYAN, it’s a blank when we open that google docu window.

  • PATRICIA.

    San Diego in January?
    When? Where?
    I should be there too.
    Great. Let’s meet :))

    PANOS.
    You in on this too?

  • CATHY & PANOS & LA BLOGGERS

    I’ll be arriving into Union Station in Los Angeles via Amtrak’s Southwest Chief early Thursday morning, January 22, 2009. My train–the Pacific Surfliner–leaves for San Diego on Monday morning, January 26. My sister & her husband live in Burbank so that’s where I’ll be staying, at least for part of the time. I do know that Emily & Gorsha want to take me to the desert for an overnight visit, so we can work that trip around any plans we bloggers make.

    What fun!!! A Southern California “Road Trips” gathering to start the year. By then our man Barack will be in the White House. Whew. What a relief that will be…

    Patricia

  • CATHY

    I misread your post…

    I’ll be in SAN DIEGO from January 26-February 9. Will you be there then????

    Patricia

  • RYAN

    First link tells me welcome back (because I created a google site earlier this morning?) and sign in, the other, Full screen one has a lady in a shot, but a 1/3 of the window on the right has that blue ink “no connection” window we are used to when things or sites are down.

    OK, can you guide us step by step, to simply post an image with a text under? From what I understand, we should not have to sign in…

    Can also someone try Ryan’s links? Thanks.

  • Cathy, Patricia
    .. Ryan, Anna B..,
    LA LAKERS..
    We can’t wait.. Count me in…

  • ALL,
    Help Herve and Ryan please..
    I’m in a fuckin car!

  • herve–

    i’ll join in on the october project! :)
    but… are our photos supposed to tie in with the election somehow?
    if not, i’ll be happy to share some october photos of my street family.
    that’s basically all i am shooting right now.

    good idea though – a group project! thanks. :))

    katia

  • herve

    right you are.. i’ll let the little man know..

    ryan karim (which best?)

    cannot get your links to open..
    ‘page not found – error message 404’
    any ideas?

    hey, bob..

  • okay – above just posted.. will check google thing.

  • Yes, Katia, Patricia needs a little scolding. This not about, or pre-election project. If anything it is post-TOR CAPA birth.

    Just the times show a bit of hsitory happening right now, global financial meltdown, black maybe as (smirk) “leader of the world”, uncertainty, but also certainties, like family life, love, you name it and in between, etc….

    That feel of “now in my life” transferred onto images. Best personal criteria is probably to project the chosen image, one, 5, 10 years from now, and see if they are 2008 generic, or relating to the/our mood, back then, in October 2008.

    Look at the Magnum insight link and idea, which can really belong to anyone to do.

    Pretty loose stuff there, not everything will smell like Oct 2008 later IMO, but a good point to start from.

  • Okay, I made this announcement back in the halcyon days when I was a Democrat in name only, but I am still running, only this time for the GOP nomination. People uninterested in this sort of political nonsense can go here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akaky/sets/72157608048921384/

    for pictures of really hot babes in skimpy outfits. Thank you again for your continued support of my campaign.

    After long and mostly pointless consultations with my friends, family, and political advisors, all of whom thought that the following was a monumentally silly idea not worthy of my time and effort, but not as silly as their constantly asking me for money, which I think is pretty silly but they don’t seem to have a problem with, I have decided to announce my candidacy for the Democratic Party’s nomination for the Presidency of this our Great Republic. It seems to be the thing to do these days, sort of like owning a Pet Rock or a lime-green leisure suit was in the 1970’s, and for once in my life I want to be on the forefront of a movement instead firmly imbedded in that movement’s rear, which is what usually happens to me. I was probably the last person in the United States to actually buy a combination AM/FM radio and eight track deck; no one bothered to tell me that this technology was about to go the way of the wax cylinder, the trebuchet, and the stereopticon, and I got stuck with a machine that I couldn’t get Jethro Tull eight tracks for anymore. The AM/FM radio worked fine, though, but I could’ve gotten one of those for a lot less than it cost me to get the eight-track deck as well. So I want to skip repeating that experience, if at all possible. But I do want to say that of all the Democratic candidates, I am the one with the least experience in government, although this does not seem to be a handicap this year, and that my lack of experience is due, for the most part, to the fact that I have not been running for President for most of my adult life, unlike some candidates I could mention.

    My family, friends, and political advisors, and I should point out that there is a considerable overlap between these three groups, all point out that even the least prepared of this year’s candidates all have political war chests amounting, in some cases, in the tens of millions of dollars, whereas I, on the other hand, have some $15.63 left over from last week’s pay check, a sum that would more or less limit my political advertising to spray painting my name on buildings, cars, and unsuspecting passersby as they wander down Main Street looking for the crack dealers. If I practice the most stringent of economies in my campaign spending, I am sure I will be able to afford a magic marker as well. How then, everyone insists on telling me, can I even hope to compete against this year’s crop of Democratic candidates?

    There is even, for those who want to hold this against me, the reality that I have been a Democrat In Name Only for some time now, a person who disagrees with nearly everything the Democratic Party now stands for, and who would be a registered Republican if only I were not too lazy to fill out the party registration form. Why would I, in the face of these insurmountable odds, even bother wasting my time in running for President? Here, however, is the beauty of my candidacy: I am not running for the nomination of my nominal party in 2008; this would be, just as every one tells me, a waste of my valuable time and scant funds. No, I am running for the Democratic nomination in 2060.

    There are clear advantages to my making this run at this, and that, time. First, at the moment I am the only candidate in the field, all of the other candidates being either in utero or in elementary school at the moment, which means that the big Democratic money men will have to come to me if they want to hang on to whatever it is the big Democratic money men want out of a Democratic President. The teachers’ unions, for example, will have to deal with me and no one else; all of the other candidates in the race hate their teachers with near pathological ferocity, despise having to sit in class all day long, and want to go to the playground now before it gets late and their mothers call them into the house. This attitude, and I am certain that most of the other candidates share it at this point, does not bode well for a group dependent on keeping the kids in a stuffy classroom against their will, and I am already calling for a special prosecutor to investigate charges, which I hope are untrue, that the National Education Association has already tried to influence my future opponents with a semester’s worth of small boxes of Cap’n Crunch cereal and pint-sized cartons of chocolate milk, with a guaranteed B+ in arithmetic thrown in to sweeten the deal.

    Second, with inflation the $15.63 that I have to make the run today will be worth several billion dollars in 2060, which ought to be more than enough to make this run easily and defeat all the other candidates, who, I should point out, are only a few years removed from soiling themselves on a regular basis, dribbling spittle all over themselves in public, and in general behaving in a manner that would denigrate the office of the Presidency, not that I want to start using attack ads and spreading negative information about any of my honorable opponents, at least not now; it might damage their self-esteem and their ability to play well with others.

    Now, before you start telling me, I already know the disadvantages of this run, the first being that in 2060 I will be 102 years old. This is very true, I would be the oldest person ever to seek the nomination, and frankly, there is no guarantee that I will even live to 102, but if my country needs me, and it clearly does, I will do my best to hang on. Further, I will venture a guess and say that by the time I make this run, the country will be so sick of baby boom presidents that I may not get the nomination. This is always a possibility. Dealing with baby boom burnout is a major problem, even for those of us stuck at the ass end of this annoying demographic cohort, and I can only say that, if I win, I intend to save some money on the care of my fellow baby boomers by sending them all to Canada with free bus passes to get their meds and then not letting them back across the border. I think we’ll just turn off the lights and say that we’ve moved the United States to the South Pacific or to the Bahamas or some other place with great weather all year round. The Canadians will object to our dumping millions of seniors on their side of the 49th parallel, especially millions of baby boom seniors, of course, but objecting to Americans on a regular basis is at the very heart of Canadian nationalism, and far be it for me, or any American, for that matter, to place restrictions on any Canadian patriot’s ability to fly the Maple Leaf flag proudly. Oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee, as any loyal Canadian will tell you, and while they’re standing on guard for Canada they can keep an eye on the old folks from home. Better yet, they can keep the old folks from coming home; we’re tired of paying for this generation of egomaniacs. I also intend to save money on foreign travel; there won’t be any, not unless they’ve perfected the transporter beam by 2060. A centenarian President needs his sleep, after all, so I won’t be going anywhere. If foreign leaders feel the need to come here, then fine, let them come over the Rio Grande along with everyone else and we’ll put them up at the Holiday Inn. I’d offer to let them stay the night in the Lincoln Bedroom, but I’m pretty sure the Clintons will still be barricaded in there and resisting any and all attempts to remove them by the time I get to the White House.

  • herve

    will email the photos tomorrow.. what kind of numbeR? you looking for a few from each person? will keep the numbers down.

    ryan

    not getting anywhere with viewing your work mate.. just no page (404 error message) and with the flickr group / google thing.. whats that for ?

    herve AGAIN

    love what? fest thing? dancing.. lights.. people as animals.. shape shifting?
    i must have missed the link – please pst it again.. sounds like my cup of tea.

  • I think rather than Obama or McCain, it would be more interesting to be in a position to shoot a portrait session with Osama Bin Laden during this financial crisis.

    PLEASE don’t think that I am defending him, or agree with terrorism, but from a straight photojournalism point of view it would be fascinating. Surely to him, the financial meltdown must be a justification. Also there’s the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the failure of the US to actually find him. I’d say he’d be feeling pretty chipper at the moment.

    Again, I’m not defending terrorism (I’m getting ready to deflect flak….), I just think it would be interesting….

    Cheers

  • RYAN-

    Good job man. I like the mystery you’re creating with Shayna, gallery two. The black and whites evoke a sense of wild freedom. Posing people is always hard for me, yet you make it look easy with your images. My favorite picture is the vertical where only one of her eyes is illuminated. Moody, mysterious work. Nice job.

  • 2008 generic is not the idea, is what I mean. Not so easy, when you think about it.

  • GO AKAKY.. bound to win..

    BTW – ‘i’ve seen better’ just made me laugh.. just then..
    it’s gone now.

  • Cmon Ross..
    If anyone suggests that you
    defending terrorism must be
    extra stupid..
    Great point..
    I hear you…

  • Panos;
    I realise that, but it’s easy for things to get misconstrued when it’s down in black and white on a page!!!

  • ross..

    the question is why the u.s. never really tried to find bin laden.. agreed – a portrait shoot with any ‘leader’ would always be interesting.. dalai lama to bush to whoever.. would be a fascinating moment..

    gerry adams was seen as a terrorist leader in the u.k. once upon a time.. the BBC was not even allowed to broadcast his voice.. instead using an actors..

    ..

  • whenever i worked in the u.s. the name of the game was to avoid politics.. 9-11.. terror.. fox.. and that way stay safe.

    on the internet i once replied to a large group email asking me to boycott french goods since they did not support the iraq invasion..

    after all – france knows what it is like to be invaded.. i understand some 50 000 civilians were killed on d-day.. and that was an invasion none would argue against.

    in return to stating my views.. i received hate mail in volume.. threats.. all sorts..
    the internet is a sanctuary to some dull minds – fans of ‘freedom fries’.

  • David;
    “the question is why the u.s. never really tried to find bin laden” I was just trying to keep the politics out and look at it as a purely photojournalistic exercise, that’s all…

    Cheers

  • David Bowen
    hmm for some reason my site is acting up right now… this is a temporary link but I’ll get stuff back up soon…

    Try this link http://fashion.ryansharif.com

    The google links I’m posting are to lead to the google document I created so we can all collaborate on what Herve wanted to start.

    Andrew

    Thank you for the kind words… I am trying to get a portfolio growing in that direction, so it helps to hear the encouragement.

  • David B, wow, blog has gone 4 pages longer in 24 hours, and without David!!! here:

    http://www.pbase.com/uc/lovefest&view=slideshow

    Numbers? keep the numbers down, I like that.

    Best, IMO, is no bulk download (we have 3 weeks for crissakes), be tough on selecting a shot reflective of the time window mood. It’s ok if we fail, but let’s try. As the gallery takes shape, we will be inspired to think how and what to add.

    And we owe each other to keep a good balance between us all, one that keeps everything whole, even if disparate. Let’s be spare, it will add up anyway.

    Again, look at the Magnum project itself. Except ours will not be under anyone’s name. We’re going to out-collective Magnum! :-)))

  • ha – that would be funny herve..
    okay cool.. will bang just 2 over.. either before birth and first breath or first breath and just after..

    karim

    working now thanks.. i wonder – is pbase a more secure way of showing / collecting the work?
    google has been a big fan of the proposed orphan works bill..

    thoughts?

  • BUT, BUT, BUT…

    If we’re being encourage to share a photo(s) that is October ’08 & no other time, why can’t that be about the US election????

    Why can’t two young women–one black & one white–working together not be all about love???

    Patricia who doesn’t want to give up ;=)

  • ross…
    yes.. eeejut.. i stuck my foot in my mouth.. okay.. no politics.. just portraits..

  • patricia

    i wonder if using a news event would open the doors for lots of news events rather than more personal perspectives..
    perhaps the two could be blended?

  • David;
    “yes.. eeejut.. i stuck my foot in my mouth.. okay.. no politics.. just portraits..” No worries, I wasn’t being all schoolteacher-ish!! Lol!

    Cheers

  • Ross, why??
    Because we need to have an
    Invisible enemy monster to keep us
    scared!

  • herve

    nice one for lovefest..is indeed just my cup of tea.. couple pf good shots.. i always prefer straight documentation rather than portraiture.. although you have good examples of both.. whats the last photo reflected in? at first glance i thought it was streched in PS or sommit..

  • panos / ross..

    would be more believable if our invisible monster was not on kidney dialysis, no?
    okay.. i want to put this subject on the floor and move away from it..
    it does get me riled.

  • ryan.

    you’re on the way.. keep looking for light and remember a comfortable model is an easy model to photograph.. you seem to be doing that just right.
    one of my fav tips is to keep talking.. it’s amazing how many snappers cannot hold a camera in front of their faces still take a picture.. practice and it becomes easier.. no break in conversation leads to alive-eyes on the subject and it’s alot easier to get the smile, frown, interested look your after.

    seems you’re doing fine though – good to meet you.

  • May I claim second spot after Tor Capa for our project, who is maybe by now, no stranger to breast feeding….

    http://www.pbase.com/image/104600253

    David B, #16, some kind of uneven mirror-like surface on one of the trucks/floats.

  • PATRICIA, no problem, election is totally relevant to your life, but the gallery itself will have many non-US members, and US who want to comment on the times, aside of its topicality. OCTOBER PROJECT. Plus the folks at Magnum have already cornered themselves in that “the elections are coming” niche. We just stole the idea from them and add something to it.

    The way great art has been done for 6000 years!!!

    You know that Stravinsky quote “bad artists copy, good ones imitate….Geniuses steal!” :-)))

    DAVID….Thoughtless joke. Expectedly!

  • hey herve..
    okay.. i will try to find a snap thats works.. and of course clear it with beate.

    ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL

    i am close to having tor capas birth together to show.. however, i’m not going to paste a link up here..
    it is a very private show, which in all honesty was shot for the little man himself in years to come..
    this is not an artistic difficulty i have which leads me to not show – it’s a family respect thing, knowing this blog has some reach.. and the photographs are intimate, both of my son and of my lover in their most private embrace.

    those of you who’s email i do not have and who want to see it please email me at
    david@bophoto.co.uk
    and i’ll email back the link when it’s completed..
    if you pass the credit and police checks.
    ho, ho and, might i venture, ho.

  • Herve, I should have a boatload of October pix soon so maybe I’ll go in on this thing too.

  • HERVE and ALL.

    So this project ends November 1st?
    Orcan we go at least till November 5th…day after the election. I think there could be some good stuff on election day and post election…Okay?

  • PANOS,
    “Akaky..
    You know I’m kissing your ass..
    Just in case McC wins..
    (.. I don’t wanna get crucified you know!!!?)
    .. I know you know “people” out there…)
    ;-)))

    I hope we meet someday – I’ll buy you a beer or three.

    Marcin,

    I know that I keep saying this but it is true: you do not have anything to worry about, you are a really good photographer: you don’t copy anybody – you are Marcin. When you go out to shoot do you think “I’ll try to copy Alex Webb today”? Of course not! You may notice similarities between his work and yours when you see the contact sheets or digital light table but I’m sure that he sees the same between his work and other photographers. Just go out and shoot- be yourself because that is enough. Enjoy Thailand and show us the results!

    Mike R.

  • Michael R…

    Yep.. We need to meet…
    Where are u nowadays???

  • we’re going to be ok. I took pictures of Obama and will be taking more in the future.

  • just skimming – back from the track adn a nice afternoon with Lee and her family…

    herve, count me in on the October thing…Ryan, is this the google thing I threw out earlier (google sites?)

    Way easy to make a collaboration page…if it’s done count me in and get me an ID or tell me where to go and look/post/contribute…

    ok, flying to dinner…

    ERICA look for an email later…want to chat a bit…

    The light is finally lovely and soft now, after being brutal and harsh all afternoon at the track….

    ciao!
    A.

  • herve / cathy / october crew..

    can we try to keep it internationally focused and tight on brief? it would be great to feature a news story – such as the most important one happening now – but it’s going to get random and lost if there are too many photos concerning the one event.. and i’d not be up for sharing something so intimate if much of the other work will be news..
    :o)

    marcin…

    going to thailand – and you have undeveloped film in the fridge? that seems odd my friend..

  • PANOS,

    I’m in North of England U.K. – a long way from L.A. – another world from L.A. (just think dull, rain, strange accent) rather like East Coast without the buzz).

    However U.S. is calling and my wife and I may visit soon. I would not visit U.S. without visiting you!

    If ever you visit U.K. let me know and I’ll chauffeur you around. Anywhere you want to go is o.k. by me.

    Don’t ever leave this blog / mag!

    Best,

    Mike R.

  • PANOS,
    I’m almost 58 years old but still interested in narcotics – and in LOVE with photography.

    Mike R.

  • http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2008/10/digital-railroad-likely-being.html

    ”Digital Railroad Likely Being Liquidated

    In a move that was more of a “when will it happen?” than a “will it happen?”, Digital Railroad announced today a slew of seismic changes that illustrates that the wheels of the train that went round and round are slipping off their axles.”

  • I like how they keep applying bailout money to different institutions and the Dow keeps going down – like Grandpa Simpson when his friend’s tie got caught in the pencil sharpener – Grandpa cranks it a little, looks around nervous when nothing good happened, then cranks it again.

  • DAVID B

    I appreciate your suggestion that we keep our October project more internationally oriented, with less news & more personal photos. I’m in for that. No Obama stuff from me, instead I’m thinking about a few of the photos I took today of the Detroit elders gardening with their sunflowers in bloom & planting garlic on this rather chilly October day.

    Patricia

  • AKAKY:

    u got my vote, even if u are republican! ;)))…but, not until after obama has been in office for 8 years…than we can deal :))))…

    HERVE: LOVE THE LOVEFEST SLIDESHOW :)))…last self-portrait is wicked……you look like a beautiful devil, no wonder all those beautiful faces congregate around your hmmmm, big gun ;))))

    PATRICIA: temporary loss of my faculties ;)))…doesnt happen too often, but when i does, i tend to loose them all ;)))….god help me…a

    Ryan/Karim: my pleasure :)))))…u r in good hands with Panos (or he with you?)…bowens’ got good sound advice :)))…keep it up, what sets work apart aint the work but what they got inside themselves ;)))…from that comes all interesting work :)))

    ff:
    carry on ya’ll

    :))))

  • Michael;

    What part of Northern England? I live in New Zealand but my partner comes from Manchester (Ashton under Lyne) and I have a good friend who once lived in Burnley ( but moved to Castle Douglas, Scotland). Just out of interest, because it’s a small, small world!!!

    Cheers

  • MARCIN.

    Oops…so sorry David and I picked the same two Webb images!
    But as was said before…we both thought ALL the photos were yours. It was not obvious which was which…a good thing!

  • PATRICIA.

    YES!!! I should be in North San Diego county at that time.
    Wonderful…Where in San Diego will you be?

    I can come up to LA too if we organize a gathering there.
    I’ll be about 1.5 hours from LA and 45 min from San Diego.

  • ryan – what i mean to say fo course is keep talking while you have a camera up against your face.. because not many can do that with fluidity.. and it helps keep the models eyes interested.. n blahblahblah..
    onandon..
    i must read before i post..

  • marcin

    for balance.. i did notice the magnum photos copyright.. and no bother.. yours are still good.. just keep on.. and try not to post direct comparisons online

    it’s all too easy to trip ourselves up, and in doing so prevent others from tripping us up..
    beware :o)

  • CATHY

    My friends Scott & Phil live in San Diego’s South Park area next to the Balboa Golf Course. We’ll find a way to get together for sure, either there or in LA.

    Patricia

  • ALL….

    i am so so busy shooting…but i have not forgotten about any of you….not about Bones, not about calling Sydney, not about David B new baby, not about making sure Digi Railroad will be there for you soonest etc etc…now , if you think i have forgotten about anything that i should be remembering, please just remind me….of course, i do forget things, so a gentle reminder is most welcomed…

    i do not want to close down this version of our online relationship with any “loose ends” whatsoever…and our “family ties” will only be stronger with what i have in mind…

    surely, i would not have developed all that we have here on the forum to “throw out the baby with the bathwater”..no way…our “baby” will just mature …that is all….we will take all that has been learned and have it manifest itself in the best possible way…

    we may just prune the tree a bit in order for the tree to grow to its full height…

    ok now, i must spend time this evening with my son Bryan and his girlfriend Michelle and my friend Diego who is visiting from Italy who is field producing for me (some of you met him in New York or in the Tuscany workshop)…

    so my silence now should not be misinterpreted….my pet peeve is being misinterpreted or misunderstood..i am sure it is the same for all of you as well…

    be of good cheer….and hug the person next to you right now (unless you are on the train…in that case just smile)…

    fondly, david

  • David B, just dropping a note. yes, absolutely, not news related, but neighborood related ok, and if it’s about teens or young obama workers in your vicinity, fine too. Yet, David always tells us not to show only what we see, but to get the smell, the feel of it. That’s how it becomes real work, not just a snap, IMO.

    Also, no way we are going to take ourselves too seriously, and nitpick. It’s enough to be serious about photography.

    ‘later…..

  • yeah right…
    Like I’m gonna hug that nasty
    drug dealer sitting right next to me…!
    I’d rather open the door and push him
    out on the freeway…!!!
    ;-)

  • I hate that, sent the post, it went, and nothing here………….

    In short, David B, yes, no news, but neighborood related campaigning, why not. We just have to remember that the work is really into conveying some feel, some smell, like David says. Just reporting is, I guess, a no-no.

    At the same time, we do not want to take ourselves too seriously and nitpick. It’s enough that we are serious about photography.

    (I have afeeling my lost post will re-appear)

  • David:

    Thank you mr. pop :)))
    Everyone is back to the stable :))

  • yeah right…
    Like I’m gonna hug that nasty
    drug dealer sitting right next to me…!
    I’d rather open the door and push him
    out on the freeway…!!!
    ;-)

  • Damn it, my girl just left for a show, I’m all alooone – can’t hug no one but my beer!
    Oh well, better than nothing…. Yeah, I’ll smile to the girls accross my balcony.
    Thanks for that David, I needed it!

    I just took my first break from work since that great great workshop/party at David’s… Damn I neeeeeeeedd a break!!!

    Will write soonest, I’ve got people to thank/say hello to (and as soon as I read the whole blog backwards ;))

    All the best to ALL!
    t.

  • CATHY

    I wonder how Alex W would feel knowing that only 2 of his 3 images were picked..twice :)

  • Just in from watching the debate in a local pub..every time ‘joe the plumber’ was invoked, the drinkers had to drink..they drank a lot..

  • .. For some reason I’m
    Craving to see KATIA ROBERT’s
    new work from the Seattle street kids..
    Hmmm..
    My brain is weird

  • DAH

    knowing how busy you are I was going to wait … but as you’ve just asked for a gentle reminder…

    if now is not a good time, please say and i’ll repost next week or after Mexico?

    you had a brief look at my ‘Slow Motion Travelogue’ and said you’d take another look… sorry if i’m bugging you (or am I being too english about this…)

    http://albums.phanfare.com/4955643/2793345#imageID=48457204

    (you can pause the slideshow or just view as singles).

    you mentioned that there was a page with 6-8 images of which some deserve to be more prominent – curious which? and why?

    anything you think doesn’t work?

    and I should mention that this is only about a third of the edited material and more excerpts than a summery of the project.

    As i’m keen to hear your opinion of the work as an overall project, perhaps it would be benificial to show you everything?

    I could post a gallery with a full edit?

    It’s taken me ages to get it down to such a tight edit – maybe too tight?

    Lastly, in the summer break (Dec/Jan) I’m going to start shooting a new project, in my local area. I have the basic idea but I could really use some help from you on focusing it’s direction, which is one of my issues with myself FOCUS. Would there be a chance to discuss this with you in an e-mail?

    As always a massive thanks,

    Sam

  • MICHAEL R…
    I’m touched, flattered .. The whole deal..
    I can’t believe that a British
    Gentleman would care about a
    homeless punk drug addict from
    the city of Angels…
    Hmmm..
    The times are changing…

    I will drive you all over Cali..
    ( if I manage to keep my D.L … till then..)

    Once I took the train from London all
    the way to Inverness… Fed NESSIE
    when I finally saw her… Visited
    Hellensburg.. Birth place of
    MARK LANEGAN… Edinburgh…
    Slept under the “Bridge of Allan”..
    Ate the “Braveheart’s” dungeon kitchen…
    Bought fake “ecstacy” in Redding…
    .. Even ate “mad cow meat” burgers
    In London.. Watched Indian Bollywood
    Movies in the hotel.. Lost (another)
    Girlfriend somewhere around Newcastle..
    I love England.. But England never
    loved or embraced me..
    My skin was a little brown for the British
    Standards..
    That’s why I love Los Angeles…
    I’m the whitest looking IDIOT I know..
    I love LA.. Although it’s killing me fast and
    Steady…
    Yes.. I will take your offer..
    ( one thing… Though… Narcotics????
    Fuck Narcotics.. Over here.. We call it
    DRUGS…)

    Crazy moon tonight..
    All.. Let’s do some drugs …
    ( who said that panos is not a role model..?)

  • panos–

    why do you think yr brain is weird co’s you
    want to see some of my new work?? so funny.. :)))
    i will write about my new work very soon.

    what’s yr email address anyway?
    it might be good to toss some ideas around with you. ;)

  • David B.

    “going to thailand – and you have undeveloped film in the fridge? that seems odd my friend..”

    I said it many time before, I and my wife are working as a artists (my wife is painter I work as a sculptor). There is huge ups and downs. We bought ticked to thailand at the end of march. My wife sold many paintings to germany, I had “normal 8h 5/7” job. Good time. I developed films a year back! I was thought It will be good year, and it was for many reason, but since june everything was hard down. Now many people own me a lot of money and I still wait to buy films to thailand. That how life of artist looks.

    I don’t explaine myself, I think if I said A I have to say B.

    Everything what I do now as a photographer is try make my photography more independence from my Ups and Downs.
    I am quite near.

  • marcin

    good with with it all.. good good luck.. tough..

    herve..
    right you are..

    DAH

    please check on the state of digital railroad before committing to it..
    http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2008/10/digital-railroad-likely-being.html

  • All

    Regarding Digital Railroad, if you are archiving images on their site, I’d make sure you start downloading them or have back-ups in place.

    I’m so glad I just spent the last few weeks uploading all kinds of stories.

  • HERVE….ALL

    yes, yes i do understand you and we have had semantic problems before here on the forum…what i might say to you quickly from my car pulling away from the curb and you standing on the sidewalk would be quickly “understood” because i would be smiling and waving at you as i said “hey Herve, your shirt does not match your pants”…you would take it as a joke….even if your shirt really did not match your pants!!!

    my comment to Panos about shutting down the blog on Jan 1 was exactly that…he was rambling and talking about empires falling and the Rolling Stones etc and so i just threw in a quickie knowing full well he would “get it”…and Herve, you have been with me…you and i had such a great time in Paris together and traded humor together and you know how i talk “in person”…lots of “tongue in cheek” … and also, i just could not imagine how you would think that after two years i would say a quick goodbye to this whole forum with a one sentence line to Panos…so i could imagine you to be curious about my line, but not think me “thoughtless” which is a pretty strong word given the context of our long on line friendship and personal bonding as well…and, of course, i do owe everyone here a total explanation and i would think by now that you and all would surely know that i would give it!! so, yes, this forum will “change” but not go away…

    in any case, we are all photographers….sensitive by nature…..if we were not sensitive , we would not be good image makers..this works for us of course…but sometimes this works against us and we all tend to get our feelings hurt easily…just goes with the territory i suppose….

    you are right about one thing…at the time of my comment there was a lot of “behind the scenes” drama…the “blog behind the blog” got to be too too much for me…and also immediately followed 2 weeks of intense workshops in my home where i expect no privacy, but do expect respect….

    i have no trouble keeping up with THE BLOG or my workshops or in seeing people who walk in my door with a portfolio…this i do all the time and this is an environment i have “invited”…

    but, when my “off line” personal life (and the the personal lives of Marie and Mike too!!) gets disrupted to the point of SERIOUS INTERFERENCE , because of something someone said to someone else on or off the blog , then you might understand my seeing this as a “wake up call” and a desire to make some changes….

    my face to face meetings with so many here, you included , has generally been just terrific…real friendships have sprung…i would not trade this experience for anything….heartwarming to say the least..

    however, there have been times when my “availability” has come back to bite me right in the face…where my “open door” has let in a cold wind….

    so, i am sure you may understand why i may have to be a little more selective about where and how i spend my time…

    besides our rare, but often hurtful misinterpretations, one other thing that just does not work very well is on line critique….or, at least, not as is….way too too much time gets spent in “clarification”..how i say something in a class critique or from my living room sofa does not translate on line..i spend a lot of time looking at someone’s work…give an honest appraisal…then spend the next two days reading , writing, and trying to “fix” someone’s “hurt” emotional state , when in fact this done in person would be a one minute conversation, and hug at the end, and resulting in much much better work the next day!!!!!

    by the way, please note that my second loft class work is now posted under Movies…

    now Herve, before you say “but David, isn’t this forum supposed to be an online workshop?” i will say yes yes YES……but, i just have to make it work in a way better for all of us…

    so online critique will be handled in a different way in the future…i am still working on ways to do this….any ideas on how this can work better for all of us are welcomed….

    now, having said this, some online critique has gone masterfully….i am totally betting that, just to name four, Patricia, Rafal,David M and Panos will get books out of our online relationship..and i will work with them to make sure this happens…but even they have also met me…they know how i gesture, talk, smile, push, move pictures around…i am sure they would be the first to tell you that my online critique is just different because they “know” me in person…and they also just happen to be four photographers who WORK ALL THE TIME….indefatigable..yes, yes there are others too, but i hope you get my point…

    Herve my friend, now you do have a really good idea re: election countdown…your suggestion of doing our own version of what Magnum is doing for the election countdown fits in exactly with my thoughts (great minds working together!!) for an online magazine and print magazine as well…election coverage: i will let you handle “this baby” as i will in the future give more of you responsibilities for making all of this happen… David M. and David B and Anna B have been coming up with strong proposals for designs etc etc…Bob, Sydney, Akaky and others are obvious magazine “columnists”…others will just want to shoot and write minimally….i will just serve as an overall “editor”, but giving creative freedom to all….anyway, big post coming up explaining all to all…

    Herve, my final suggestion is this…and in keeping with our real and beautiful “family” here…let’s all try to “assume the best” when reading each other, rather than the “worst”…cut each other some slack…give others the freedom we would want ourselves..

    Herve, i am so pleased you are here…you add so much, even when you are flat out wrong!!! (see the wink amigo???)

    peace, david

  • Hey Everyone

    I got an email this morning from a reader of The 37th Frame (www.the37thframe.org) asking where all the great emerging photographers work is….

    Send me some links to your stories on your sites so we can fill up the category!

    If you have great singles that you would like to share and if you dont mind me just placing that on the site, please send them. In the case of a single, I would like it if the photographer would include a bit of information about it. Why it was shot, is it part of an ongoing project etc.

    Even with a single photo post I will link back to your site.

    Also, if anyone has any questions, please email me at petemarovich@the37thframe.org

    Thanks all.

  • Hello Pete,
    Thank you very much for your invitation, I have just sent you an email.
    Best Regards, audrey

  • Hey David,

    interesting to see the new direction for this place. Im intrigued by your magazine idea, do you see it as an on-line project or also an off-line print project?

    Pete,
    I love the website
    ..and a cool name, too.

    Im shooting several projects you could look at

    The first is a personal project called Personal stills. Made up of 3 parts:

    1. Home Sweet Home which David has encouraged
    2. Family Ties
    3. Domestic Stills

    Its at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/collections/72157604057061111/

    And another project Im caling Marooned, also made up of 3 parts
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/collections/72157606643568147/

  • AKAKY, your candidacy speech is the best I’ve heard since JFK announced “We are all bin-liners” Way to go Akaky – I’ll vote for you if I’m still alive.

    ROSS, I’m in Lancashire, on the coast – lived here all my life and ready for a change.

    PANOS, if you are the the whitest looking denizen in LA what will that make me? Albino? Your post made me laugh out loud – as for drugs, I just say no – although I am rather partial to a wee dram of scotch occasionally (like every day).

    RYAN, so we have you to thank for Panos the photographer! Thank you.

    Mike R.

  • Herve

    Can you summarise your project please? I don’t have a great connection and limited battery life on my laptop, so I’m finding it hard to sort thru.

    Cheers!

  • HERVE/RYAN/ALL

    Some pages back I suggested trying google sites…I think the site Ryan has added/sent me is not google sites, but google docs…this is very different….

    We can create a Wiki/multi-blogs/file sharing area/photo area if we create a single google site and then share the permissions to update/contribute. I have played with it just a little bit in conjunction for a work project, but it seems like we could create everything we are hoping to be able to do….I even have some ideas on a space for on-line critiques, but prefer to work through them a little first to see if they really work before sharing…so more to come…

    I have to admit I have simply skimmed the last 2 pages of comments or so….read in depth DAH’s lengthy post (must admit the earlier “pruning” comment made me a bit nervous, me being the branch that usually gets cut off ;) but the following post makes mucho sense….

    Someone did mention creating a google site…DB or DMcG I think?

    Whoever it is…or whoever has tried or wants to try…email me and we will see if this route makes sense….

    raining here in the bluegrass…

    good light to all,
    Andrew

  • OK, you creative types…need to come up with a name for a google site…I’m crummy at this stuff…..ideas? One word or words we can combine with underscores would be good…

    throw out ideas….please….

  • ALL

    I’ve created a google site and made a starter page. please email me ryan@ryansharif.com if you are interested in being a collaborator on this project.

    Here is the link to it as it stands right now.

    http://sites.google.com/site/octcollab2008/

  • RYAN..
    I think it works…
    I signed in..

    ALL.. Tell us what do you think???

  • (see the wink amigo???)
    ————
    I do, muDAHf….r! (winking back :-))))))

    David, it’s exactly as you say it. I also think you may misunderstand me, at times, but I give it very little concern, because of the format (online, written) we are mostly communicating with each other, I mean everyone of us here.

    One thing is, with me, you never have to watch your back and if I am wrong, I am never wrong-headed (I think all this takes a bit more meaning lately).

    But yes, I hope to confront you soon and point at your own flaws one simple question: “HEINEKEN OR SINGHA?”…

    :-))))))))))

  • hey pete

    have emailed you .. good work..

    ryan / panos / herve..

    is the october project being done on google now, have you ryan, and you herve hooked up on this, or is there a 2 idea thing happening now?

    i’m really unsure about google and their ethics.. orphan works supporters and all that.. is there any copyright small print for the webuse beta?

  • ah ha… found it….

    ”11. Content licence from you

    11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

    11.2 You agree that this licence includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

    11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this licence shall permit Google to take these actions.

    11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above licence.”

    http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS?loc=US

  • … and in the extended ‘terms of use’.. they reproduce the terms of use of our work, and remove the sentence stating they will only use our work to display and promote the service they provide..

    ”Section 11.1 of the Terms of Service governing Google Sites is replaced in its entirety by:

    ”You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Service. By submitting, posting or displaying the Content you give Google a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the Service for the sole purpose of enabling Google to provide you with the Service in accordance with its Privacy Policy.”

    so.. they have adapted the agreement to say they can use our work for anything in return for providing the service.. limitless.

  • OK, all, do as you wish, but Ryan tells me people want to post full essays of their own concerning the OCTOBER PROJECT. I dunno, sounds great, then it’s your own, not ours. Anyone can do that, of course, most of us have already a website to put stuff on and can easly ask others, as usual to look at that link.

    The idea was a bit different here. First, presentation would be anonymous as concerns looking at the pix one after the other.

    Then we’d let ourselves be inspired from what is posted, kind of making the hydra heads stick on the same shoulders. Put some effort, some work in what we select ourselves, and plain GIVE it to the community.

    And as I said, maybe we fail, but let’s try. We could also edit collectively, with the help of David, even if no changes are made to the gallery. A loose discussion on it as a collective work…

    There is some kind of mood in the world right now, and events, that connect us. a succesful try would be that the pictures on the whole pick up that mood.

    Andrew, I hope that last paragraph explains it. Whatever you shoot, it has to attempt to smell like it’s October 2008. Or become October 2008, when seen next with the others. Remember david’s advice: if you have no idea what to shoot, turn the camera onto yourself.

  • We can anonymously post as well… The site is up and it’s pretty much what everyone decides to agree on in terms of rules and such.

  • i would seriously steer clear of google with photos.. forming what could be a potentially good site of great photographs you will open yourselves up to infringement of copyright.. seriously – i’m in with it, herve.. ryan – i cannot show work on a google site..
    :o)

  • I don’t know about copyright issues or what not with google… I can create a custom site similar to wikipedia and the “google sites” if you guys are serious we can get that going… just need webhosting and domain registration.

  • googles copyright is above ryan..

    ‘By submitting, posting or displaying the Content you give Google a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the Service for the sole purpose of enabling Google to provide you with the Service in accordance with its Privacy Policy’

    whats up with herves original idea of emailing individual photos to him, captioned for him to upload.. then create a show of the photos on november 1st? seems simple really..

  • Andrew B.,

    call it…GROKKLESNORP!

  • /\ it’s a winner..!!!

    i’ll proffer
    ‘jelly_monk_couch’

    or..
    how to ;
    calm a lama down,
    clam a lama right down’

  • Well, David, nothing has been decided where to put it. I aplogize to Ryan, but I have a problem understanding how to post on google very directly, without signin, joining, sharing, inviting….

    My own idea is for people to worry about the photography and just send. Nothing else. A page opens, one only, with a “download your pix from you computer” window we are all familair with, then click…Done!

    Or you send me, or Ryan, or anyone who wants to deal with getting the pix in their own mailbox, and do the downloads themselves on a public website. I can either use my 4U2C website on Pabse, or make up a new one just for the project. Pbase allows one free month, and 20GB, I think.

    In the meantime, a better idea even may come and proposed and we transfer all the pix to it.

    It is important we start so that we get a sense of the “beast”.

    All who have the willingness to participate, just tell us today what seems the best idea so far:

    1) Ryan’s google docus

    2)sending to one of us, to put on their own website

    3) same as above, but a specific site just for the project, making sure it will accomodate all pix for free.

    Cathy asked about time window. How about Otober and first week of November?

  • DB,

    I am having an IP lawyer read Google’s terms….my understanding is that they are actually better than flikr as far as respecting copyrights.

    The para above is, as I understand it, required so that Google can make the page work – in other words, if they don’t have the rights to display the image in order to provide you the service (displaying your page), then they can’t provide you the service….it must be worldwide because of the way Google pages are available….

    I’m for whatever the group wants to do, I have no preference for Google, but have used it for things as sensitive (from an IP perspective) as doing collaborative R&D for software products.

    Sending everything to Herve works, obviously :) I just think we could turn a really cool intuitive, collaborative page into something unique and different for us, beyond the Oct project.

    I’ll play along with whatever the group feels…

    cheers,
    Andrew B

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • Akaky (that's Mr. President to you, bubba)

    A position paper on my campaign. Again, I remind everyone that I have switched parties since I first posted this so the language might be a bit outdated now.

    I am sure that many of you will be happy to know that my run for the 2060 Democratic Presidential nomination is finally back on track and even, dare I say it at such an early point in my candidacy, acquiring some momentum. The money troubles that plagued the campaign in the beginning have abated somewhat; the money is not exactly pouring in, but the trickle is now a stream of sorts and we have picked up some powerful support. My commitment to raising the refund on all bottles and cans to 75 cents from one end of this our Great Republic to the other has garnered a good sized chunk of the homeless and mentally ill vote, and the good thing about having them on your side is that they are always available, except when they have to line up for their meds at the outpatient clinic, and that five people with multiple personalities can bring a candidate anywhere up to thirty to forty extra votes on Election Day, and a one man voting bloc is nothing to sneeze at, I can tell you.

    My opponents still refuse to debate me, that much has not changed, but I am resisting the urge to go negative yet. There seems little point in my pointing out that my honorable opponents routinely behave in an un-Presidential manner when their mothers, of all people, will do that for me, and in public, no less. I don’t believe that I have ever seen a crop of candidates in any election cycle as psychologically immature and unprepared for high office as this one is. But as I said, now is not the time to go negative, I think. If you start with this sort of thing too early in the election cycle, I’ve found, you tend to turn off the voters, who will always associate you with negativity. This is not a good thing for anyone trying to gain elective office.

    I have to say, though, that the thought of going negative now is pretty damn tempting, I can tell you. It’s not just the jejune nature of my fellow candidates, it’s that here we are facing the second half of the 21st century and for reasons I am not sure I fathom the Democratic Party was and is the party of nostalgia. It’s as if the last bright idea any Democrat ever had was the New Deal, and let’s face it, even that wasn’t everything Democrats crack it up to be. Franklin D. Roosevelt did not run in 1932 and 1936 on 54—40 or fight or on Tippecanoe and Tyler too, and yet all anyone ever seems to hear from us Democrats is the same old New Deal programs repackaged for a new generation. We keep appealing to the same old class warfare nostrums without thinking that the same old class of people we aim those nostrums at have picked up and moved on. But we don’t want to hear that, because that would mean having to change the game and we like the game as it is, even if it is way out of date.

    Still, there may be hope for these Democratic stalwarts. A new underclass may emerge, although just where we’d find this new set of potential voters is a little hard to figure out. We could convince California and its scads of underprivileged to rejoin the Union, even if more than one cynic has pointed out that back in the day, Baja California didn’t start in Oakland, or we could ask the Mexicans if they would rent Texas back to the United States for a little while. That doesn’t seem very likely to me, though. The reemergence of Mexico as a world power was certainly one of the more surprising developments of the past century and I saw in the New York Times the other day that Russia demanded that Mexico stop its ongoing aggression at the latest meeting of the Security Council. The Mexicans denied that they were committing any aggressive acts against Russia—they always deny their hostile intent, no matter what the circumstances—but this time the Russians had proof: a live satellite feed showing shadowy figures in blue jeans and baseball caps crossing the Bering Sea bridge on foot in the middle of the night. Then the Russians showed many of these same people standing outside a 7—11 in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, waiting for los rusos to come and give them a day job working construction or digging snow in the hot July sun. The tenor of the meeting was definitely hostile, with the Russians claiming that their country was not going to meet the same fate as the Disunited States and the Dominion of Nuestra Senora la Virgen de Guadalupe, which I always think sounds so much better than Canada anyway, even if it’s hard to get all of that on a bottle of ginger ale, and that the Russian armed forces would use force if need be to halt this ongoing attack on the sacred soil of the Rodina. The Mexican ambassador, clearly outraged by these charges, told the Russian ambassador to go chinga a tu madre, cabron and that if the Russians didn’t stop whining like mi vieja and shut the hell up, Mexico would have no choice but to ram the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo up their culos sideways. Clearly, the Mexicans are not in any mood to rent Texas back to the somewhat United States, not when there are fresher fish to fry.

    That’s what happens when you wind up on the D-list of nations; no one on the A-list wants to take your phone calls and you wind up talking to some punk kid right out of diplomat school who wants to impress his boss by making you feel like the poor relation asking for a handout. Once upon a time in this country, Mexicans came across the river to work for Americans. In 2060, some Mexicans still come across the river to work, but that traffic is very well—regulated nowadays; it is much harder, though, to stop the traffic in Americans crossing the Mississippi to find work in Mexico. That’s one of the major social and economic problems of our times and none of my opponents want to address the issue, not when they can promise the voters that they won’t have to pay for anything ever again. I’m still not sure how they intend to pay for that; we’ve already sold off the Dakotas, and most of Illinois, as well, and I don’t want to frighten anyone here, but if you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you might want to learn Mandarin or Arabic in fairly short order. Just giving you guys the heads up. Have a nice day.

  • herve..

    i’m really happiest sending the photos to you..
    what happens with them at the end of the time – so long as everyone only send one or 2 – will be simple enough.. we can make a flash or quicktime slideshow, show it in our own blogs.. on here.. wherever really once the show is created.. then one a month woudl be easy enough.. after a couple of months we could think about hosting it somewhere.. hell, if it’s good enough there will be a way of hosting it on here… or there.

    ryan..

    i admire the effort you have put in – i just have no confidence in google, despite having confidence in your energy for this.. hope that sits well with you ..

  • David, that sounds like the simplest way to do it. I’ll create a real wikipedia site in a moment and see what everyone thinks.

  • HERVE, RYAN, DAVID B, ET. AL.

    I’ve found PBase to be extremely user-friendly. Yes, at certain times of day–nighttime in Europe/late afternoon NY time–they can get slowed down, but generally speaking it works fine. You can upload your pics, give them captions in the title section & even write text to go under it. You retain your copyright.

    I’d be happy to buy us a PBase gallery for a year. It’s no big deal. Then Herve & Ryan can set up the pages in any way they choose. Just let me know if you want to go ahead with it, and tell me what user name we’d like to be known as.

    BIG THANKS to Herve for hatching this brilliant idea, to Ryan/Karim for setting up the Google page & being an email contact person for us, and to David B for researching Google’s unsavory policies regarding use of our work.

    Patricia

  • Pbase has a very distinct copyright policy. Member gets to have under each of his/her photos a reminder of their stand on it. Which obviously for us would be “aboslutely not use of material on this site without permission”.

    Again, it odes not have to be me. As concerns receiving the photos in private mailbox. Patricia does have a Pbase account. Many of us have flickR too, etc…

    So, weigh the different choices, propose yourself as pix receiver, etc… I think by nightime, midnight pacific time, someone will have a clear mandate

    But if you vote for me, I promise to change the way things are being done in….DAHshington!

    :-)))))))))))))))))))

  • Umm…

    At the risk of sounding a little ‘it’s all about me…’

    HIGH FIVES (best said ‘Borat-style’) to the second DAH At Home Workshop group on the final show being posted.

    Mike, DAH, thank you thank you thank you for getting it posted even though I’ve no doubt you both have a long list of higher priorities right now.

    HERVE:
    If not too late, I would like to throw my hat into the ring for this project of yours — sounds great and the photography world at large surely must be on the edge of their seats wondering what’s happening in Reno-town this October…

    AKAKY:
    You got any buttons or yard signs yet?

    Kerry

  • DAH,
    Before deciding on Digital Railroad read this http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2008/10/digital-railroad-likely-being.html
    First Photoshelter and now Digital Railroad.. Soon Alamy? Seems customers are requesting either microstock or they go for high end stock from Getty or small niche agencies..

    Cheers,

    Martin

  • Kerry, too late? It hasn’t even started.

    All, Patricia sounds a good choice. I have a feeling if problems arise, she will be a less controversial figure than me, and as David can tell you, much more thoughtful… A Mom (watch out for the martinet!);-)

    Ryan, Maybe I am wrong, but I am not acquired to the idea of individual galleries within the project. It will make the collective one just another “individual” one, and will dilute the idea of a collective work, and a mere copy of the Magnum “pre-election” series idea .

    And i really like black backgrounds… On Pbase!

  • Experiment.
    What happened to my last comment?

  • I guess it disappeared. I’ll try again…

    OCTOBER PEOPLE. :))

    We got the DAH seal of approval. Cool.
    Glad to see you are checking out the integrity of the various sites.
    We definitely need to be able to keep ownership of our images, etc.
    I’ll go along with whatever method of display everyone agrees to. Just let me know where and when to post.
    In the meantime I have to get shooting!

  • HERVE

    Oh, my dear friend. I wasn’t offering to coordinate the project, merely to buy the PBase gallery for us. I think you and Ryan would do a FANTASTIC JOB as co-coordinators!!!

    Patricia

  • Re: google “sites”.

    According to a personal friend who happens to be an IP (intellectual property) lawyer, Google’s terms of use on their “sites” service is actually strong for the user, in that it specifically states that the user retains all rights. His explaination for the other is that they legally need to specifically have a license to display/store/transmit the content so you can use it. The part about outside companies with which they have a relationship is because they do (or anticipate) that some of their network/systems/storage may be contracted to outside companies.

    That said, however you all want to store/provide the content is likely ok with me, but to be honest I like the idea of a place where we can each be responsible for any content we post, retaining the rights to it, and updating/removing it if we want with no required intervention from anyone else (plus not burdening any one person with making sure everything is posted/updated/removed correctly).

    Ryan
    I’d like to keep playing with the google sites idea and see what we come up with no matter what….

    Herve/DB
    Let me know how you all want to do the October idea…who knows, I might get lucky and take a good picture or two ;)

    cheers,
    A.

    ok, I’ll sit back down now.

  • Missed that, Patricia. The password to the gallery can belong to a few indeed, but still better to have only one person to send the pix too, who will download them in the order received on Pbase. That seems the only coordination needed for now.

    This person should also be on it in a daily manner, so we do not start having others asking, “what’s happening with the OCTOBER project? No new images since last xxxx….”

    And we still have Ryan’s own google idea, that people might find the best. All playing out today. Tell us.

  • Hi you all :-)

    Just missed some days around and…. there is a new post with already 9 pages!!! Oh God, I can’t go down it all, hope I didn´t miss anything important (if so, please, let me know!! hehe)

    Now just wanted to say hola again. With a big smile, of course :-)

    Ana

  • Hello All!

    Its been a while!… Did I loose this place in a storm? Something blew through back there?… Shit this place never ceases to amaze me!! Always eventful! Really can´t miss a day! Excited to hear more talk of future developments though. I look forward to hearing more of you thoughs/plans (DAVID).

    As for me I´m lying low in Guatemala right now avoiding the US for a while ($$$!) and learning Spanish. Of course a new project cooking too, may fill you in on that later.

    Anyways just wanted to touch base again and say hi… it felt kind of strange not being around, i´ve missed/haved missed you all, a lot.

    So its back to the books for now… conjugating verbs etc (yikes!). Nice to be doing something new though onwards and upwards!…

    Hasta luego!

    James

  • Hi James! So nice to hear from you! and seems like you are immersed in a fantastic adventure!! Hope next time we meet we can speak in spanish ;-)

    Have fun! un abrazo!

  • The Deadline to apply for this $25,000 Grant is approaching… I thought some of you might be interested in knowing about this organization…
    …H.

    http://www.theaftermathproject.org/index.htm

    “The Aftermath Project is a non-profit organization committed to telling the other half of the story of conflict — the story of what it takes for individuals to learn to live again, to rebuild destroyed lives and homes, to restore civil societies, to address the lingering wounds of war while struggling to create new avenues for peace.

    The Aftermath Project holds a yearly grant competition open to working photographers worldwide covering the aftermath of conflict. In addition, through partnerships with universities, photography institutions and non-profit organizations, the Project seeks to help broaden the public’s understanding of the true cost of war— and the real price of peace — through international traveling exhibitions and educational outreach in communities and schools. An annual publication co-published with Aperture and Mets & Schilt is distributed world wide.”

  • AKAKY: Can you conjugate a verb in public without the vice squad showing up in short order?

    AKAKY IRL: Not in the US, you can’t. Maybe in Guatamala you can. I think it all depends on the age of the verb. If she’s underage, you’ve got problems no matter what country you’re in.

    AKAKY: And rightfully so, I think.

    AKAKY IRL: Ditto.

  • KERRY, no, no yard signs yet. Working on it, though.

  • Pep Bonet~I came across this photographers work a while ago and then I noticed he was a finalist for the Aftermath Project last year.

    Maybe you’ve seen his work before, but I thought I would share my enthusiasm as I think he is an exceptional contemporary photographer.

    http://www.pepbonet.com/index.html

    PEACE
    H.

  • ALL

    Welcome back, Ana and James! So good to hear your news…

    I just dared to add some text to my “Falling Into Place” project. For months now I’ve written bits & pieces when so inclined. I’ll be interested to hear how/if it works for you. Part of me just wants images that (hopefully) tell their own story, but I guess sometimes words can add to one’s understanding. Don’t know if these do, so your feedback would be much appreciated.

    This is the most recent edit, one that David kindly did on the table when we all went out to lunch on Saturday in Brooklyn. Of course I now have seven brand new images waiting for review, but I’ll share them when I’ve taken some more.

    So here’s my most recent edit with text…

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/daily_life

    Patricia

  • KERRY! :))))))))

    i forgot to mention you in my long-long post on last week about our experience in NY and at David’s. YOU ARE GREAT! :)))…and ok, im now convinced that if you stay in NY you’ll talk like an “american” :))))…but, you gotta meet our friend Tamara Voninsky: an american who totally sounds like an Aussie….I’ve been typing that bit about aussie/american accents around in my head since we first met :))))…it was a great pleasure to meet you..you are a terrific person (and love the jacket big time!!! )….

    ALL: QUICK NOTE:…this will be my last note for a week, cause i want to leave like one comment a week, so i dont go wacky like before ;)))…and NO NOTHING IS WRONG, DONT WORRY :))))))))….just want to focus on family, writing and photos :)))…ok, so this:

    BIG BIG SHOUTOUT TO THE WORKSHOP FOLK FROM 2 WEEKS AGO! :)))))…I am so happy you all can watch the film now (minus the brilliant stuff from Paul and Alessandra):

    Big congrats to all of you and it was a pleasure to see your work LiVE and a pleasure to meet many of you…and to get a big round hug from Doug from Ontario :))))….I, again, do not wish to single out anyone particularly (though i have my favorites of course ;)) )….but it is terrific work and inspired :)))

    love KRISTEN’S use of church and soliloquy to match the wallstreet images (LOVE THE SHOT OF THE ANCHORMAN!!!!) with the congregation:great idea!….KERRY’S band shadows and RSmith bop (i love the shot of the asian violin player!!)., have you seen the new movie The Visitor Kerry?….ANDREA’S color melancholy of our caged selves…TOTALLY FUCKING BRILLIANT CONCEPT!!!…from dragqueens to boxers to rockers to bdsm/wrestling…our bodies are our tortureres and our saviors…just great…DOUG’S sharp light: yo, bro, as i told you on Friday night, damn that “lip” shot just broke my heart, that’s one Trent Parke would be envious of !!!!.:)))…search the light :)))…JUDITH’s dancing joy! (love the last image alot)…MR. CABDRIVER LAREDO : shot of the cabbie is brilliant and you know, my aunt was a nyc cabbie for 10 years! :))))….JENNIFER: :))) what i love is that the essay shows that, unlike how many many folk still think, the african american community aint monolithic/homogenous, but righteously diverse and this essay shows that fore-square :))))…color and bloom….TIM: I LOVE THAT PIC OF THE LIBERTY :))))…frickin brilliant, incandescent….i cant tell you how much joy it is to make that crossing…always…my childhood delerium…u understood that, and it’s there for anyone whose done it when they look at your story and im crazy about the delerium of your color and lights…fuze-golden to blood-purplefingernail neon.. :))))…ALLEN: all that brilliant space and emptiness in your pics, i jsut love it…why i love Winogrand, how much he loves how to use empty space…u too mate :)))…CLIFF :)))…enjoyed the discussion about your experiences…and i like the freshness of the subject matter and the picture of the woman with the gun pointed at the helicopter is just brilliant, ominous and prophetic…it stunned me when i saw it on the wall of the Kibbutz….and just brilliant brilliant images one after another…and the last image with the boy and spiderman and the guns…tears the heart right out….brilliant….and KYUNG-HEE; you magnificent and ache-filled dreams always inspire me…the first 2 images just broke my heart, with joy and jealousy ;)))…and i am thrilled you dreamed of a nyc all your own to bequeath us with :))))

    DAVID K: I save you for the end, because your essay just killed my heart. It is a special, once in a moment time to see this unfold in a crowd of hushed silence…i have always believed in, above all else, the personalization of language, to sing out against the dark of our selves and our lives in embrace and celebration and you my friend just fucking killed me with this brave and gorgeous and profound essay…from the 1st family shot to the graffitti to the first self-portrait (you look like Philip Roth you know? :)) ) with the photo camera clicker and the honesty and anger and bravery of your unflinching gaze…the pictures of you juxtaposed with the beautiful men, the pain, the hurt, the desire (i love the pic of you walking by the young boy and gazing, wanting him and judging him, judging yourself), the abandonment of your acknowledgment, your recongition and your life’s truth…it is a fucking magnificent and searing and painful and ultimately affirmative essay and i was devastated by it….the photo where you are screaming at yourself with clenched fist and the blood, like a ripening apple beneath our fingers, rushing to the rage of the fore of those tips, just broke my heart, unmitigated honesty and rawness that transcends the questions of sexuality but that speaks of that which haunts and terrorizes each of us…to question and to come to terms with who we are, that we hide ourselves frm ourselves and lie to eahc other and this must someday break open otherwise we shall perish…you my friend are alive….and so are the rest of us from having watched this work….i celebrate you…it is hard being a human….and no one understands that more than you, and i thank you for that…

    CONGRATULATIONS ALL….

    joyeous…and human!
    hugs

    see u all in later :)))

    hugs
    b

  • MIKE / ALL

    Received The Americans..damn he makes it look easy..

  • HELLO EVERYONE:

    For those who are suggesting links or submitting their own work to The 37th Frame, please email the info to me at petemarovich@the37thframe.org. If you post links here, there is a good chance I will miss them and I don’t want to leave anyone out.

    RAFAL: Please email me.

    Thanks all.

  • CATHY / ALL

    Wonderful you were able to speak with Fazal Sheikh..he is completely on the top part of my list of photographers that I admire and learn from..It confuses me deeply that more people don’t adore his work..you said some here may not find his portraits “complex enough”..I find them to be so so full and rich, even aside from the humanitarian aspect which of course is a profoundly important part of his mission / vision…but even if this was absent from his work, I would be moved by the imagery. I only hope (plan!!) to one day be able to be as integrated as a whole person/ photographer in my work as is he..to me, Fazal is a true guide and inspiration.

    ANDREW S

    your personal work is so damn beautiful, I don’t think you should allow yourself to feel the effect of any ‘demons’ due to paid work WHATSOEVER.

    NEIL

    You asked an interesting question about if it is relevant / required/ etc. to perceive your subject as your equal..I think that if one is to make a dignified, respectful image, it is certainly helpful to feel this way..but what if you are shooting someone who is a ‘horrible’ person, has committed heinous crimes or what not? I guess my answer in that case is that like in life, it is helpful to believe that in essence we are all one, all of the same, all equal if you will, and the specifics of character have more to do with circumstance and conditions than in unwavering truth..

    DAVID MCG

    There is something going on in Maid Marian that I feel connected to photographically; specifically, in your pulled back wider views, the verticals..something almost a la Dijkstra’s Park Portraits

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bp3.blogger.com/_bDoL0ZA0_58/R1kWuAsQ1TI/AAAAAAAACMs/i6lp_HJSSmo/s200/11058Dijkstra.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pwedphotosusuk.blogspot.com/2007/12/rineke-dijkstrapark-portraits-until.html&h=193&w=200&sz=15&hl=en&start=28&sig2=jU3wa_CcMOMzZlQIam6lwg&um=1&usg=__4wgn7aDuqg6MZ7mvZNb0O84n6U0=&tbnid=x8sM9WLjAl2qgM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=104&ei=ztH3SJHBCoiAvQX9obDdAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddijkstra%2Brineke%2Bpark%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

    or similar to the way Alec Soth shoots..

    http://www.alecsoth.com/portrait/pages/Portrait16.html

    http://www.alecsoth.com/portrait/pages/Portrait18.html

    But alas, you are you and I like the feel and direction of these very much, they are nearing the conceptual for me, and I would be excited to see this pushed further..what do you think?

  • ooh. i have an idea for the october project (maybe).. but have to check copyright status on a site. or are we set on using pbase or one of the wiki sites for posting?
    herve, ryan?

    ~alicia

  • ERICA.

    So glad you are a Fazal fan. I TOTALLY agree with you about him. He is amazing…and so humble and…handsome and…I could go on and on. :)) I told him (since he doesn’t seem to want to get out and promote himself at photo world “events”…he would rather be shooting) that I would act as his volunteer PR person. :))

    I only said the part about his work maybe not being “complex” enough for SOME around here because there was a conversation going on at the time I posted where Steve McCurry was being discussed….whether or not his images were “deep” enough, etc. Some seemed to find him boring…Not me, but I understood the point that David made about him vs Alex Webb.

  • MARTIN BRINK…

    thanks for the tip on DRR…it probably will not affect what we need to do however…we already have the site set up and only need for it to work long enough for the EPF jury to see your work…

    PETE…

    it was great to speak with you on the phone and i think what you are doing is terrific…please let me know if there is anything i can do to help…

    KERRY….

    i have been meaning to get back to you on your e-mail for several days…i very much want to work with you…and i think you are the right person in the right time in the right place….

    BOB…

    many thanks for your as always brilliant synopsis….one of these days i hope we meet again and i want to tell you all of the stories behind the stories…i mean, it is what you saw that really matters most, but you of all people would appreciate what they all put into it….i was so so proud of this group…as you may imagine, we are all bonded forever….

    i so so wanted you to come to the loft a few days before and have you jam with us (next time??), but we all appreciated the fact that you came at all and shared with us the final class MOMENT..

    surely you can see that if we get our online magazine going and maybe print magazine too, that work like this will have a PLACE…the slide show is almost just a “teaser” for what can be done…

    my long range proposal would be for you to be an EDITOR AT LARGE…one of the key collaborators in our magazine as well as an official columnist…

    yes, yes, of course you will have your essays like Bones published as well, but your overall grasp of visual sensibilities mixed with your ability to verbalize as no other would MAKE anything we do here FLY….

    as i mentioned to you briefly in person, Bones of Time requires special attention….an exhibition, properly hung, would wield more artistic power than the same work even in a book…this show must be experienced, not just “viewed”…i will work with you closely to make sure we make your exhibition a reality….i have my ideas on where and how it could be hung, but we should talk sometime before December in person and draw up some “models” for such a show….

    i also want you to meet Melissa Harris at Aperture….i think she would be a terrific collaborator for you…i will help to make this happen if you so desire…

    please consider yourself a very integral part of “where we go next”….there will be pushes pulls ups downs and turnarounds, but what the hell, isn’t that what life is all about???

    hugs, peace, david

  • ERICA…CATHY

    i am totally with both of you on Fazal Sheikh…and i think he is as different from McCurry as McCurry is from Alex Webb…

    the subtleties of difference are the subtleties that discern good from great…

    besides, Fazal is DOING SOMETHING other than just taking portraits in exotic locations…he has created serious AWARENESS with his work…i saw an exhibition of his work in Paris and it blew me away….

    now one last little caveat to really get you two buzzing…i think Erica could do even better than Fazal given the same subject matter…the work Erica does with the kind of people we see everyday on the streets translated to say Somalia , would i think yield extraordinary photographs….subject matter does matter….think about it….

    JAMES CHANCE….

    it was great to see you in New York and to finally have a chance to edit, albeit we did not have as much time as we both would have liked…still i think we got your work down to a “whole”…considering that you were quite literally running from one story to another, you did some amazing work…i was also thinking there might be a nice way for you to put all of this into a “diary” that would link it all together…when you return from Guatamala, let’s talk…

    SIDNEY…

    i think the best way for us to have a phone chat is if you call me..does that work for you?? please call at your convenience 202 413-1137…i may not answer right away , but will get back to you soonest….

    cheers, david

  • HILLARY….

    thanks for reminding us about the Aftermath grant….Sara Terry is quite a good photographer in her own right , but has done such an amazing job of making this important concept a reality…she and i spoke at length in Perpignan about linking Aftermath with EPF…i do not have the time to get involved in all the details, but i think help is on the way!!!

    cheers, david

  • RYAN…

    thanks for setting up this site…didn’t i see you somewhere along the line in a Panos video?? where did i see that??? i just cannot remember…..

    welcome…

    cheers, david

  • Erica

    I like Alec Soth a lot, but I tend to not be so deliberate as he—usually I’m nervous working with a model, happy to get what I can. Sometimes I have Hellen Van Meene in mind, but it takes a special model to pull off the living dead the way she does:

    http://www.hellenvanmeene.com/photos/

    I was just talking with my “model” about this. The shots I end up liking are the in-between shots, because that’s when the real stuff tends to occur (her looking in the mirror, etc.) and I ended up with so many straight up face shots, that it got a little senior portrait-ish. (Though it doesn’t have to look that way with good editing.) And of course, this did have a bit of a conceptual nod, as we were going after a modern Maid Marian. Not what I usually do, but a really welcome break from garage sale.

    And I’ve got to admit, it’s one series I can watch over and over and over, and I’m usually not that enamored with my own work. I hope I’m not just guilty of being a sucker for a pretty face?!?

    Thanks for commenting—I think I will continue to blur those lines between fact and fiction in upcoming work.

    http://www.humanfiles.com/slideshows/marian/maid_marian.htm

  • Well, after a few months as a lurker I decided to write something again.
    Virtually impossible to see all the portfolios and catch up all the messages but it is nice to be here, read some pleasant and useful comments, discover amazing work being done around the globe and feel the good vibes!
    I am revising my portfolio and still trying to prepare a website. Hope to show you something new soon.
    Meanwhile I keep visiting and learning from this amazing and dynamic community.

    PANOS,

    Thanks for the reminder about DAH’s work in progress.

    MIKE BERUBE,

    Really liked your “dead can dance” essay.

    ERICA MCDONALD,

    Religion is a challenging theme and I believe it “combines” with B/W. You’ve used this powerful combination very well in “Pilgrimage to Czestochowa” and “Festival of Sukkot”.

    JAMES CHANCE,

    Just finished watching your multimedia “A dual threat” and it reminded me James Nachtwey’s work for the XDRTB project and the ACTION program against TB. One suggestion: Why not with a soundtrack? Would add more emotion to this compelling story.

    AUDREY BARDOU (I almost write Tatou…)

    I found myself really pleased with your family images. Please do more!

    To ALL of you,

    All the best,

    Ari B.

  • DAVID :))))))

    for YOU, i will break my chastity vow of 1 long comment a week ;))))))))))…..i’ll do anything you need from me to help make this blog/magazine sing!!!…be that as a writer, or editor or contributor…anything you and the rest of the family meet :)))

    and as for meeting again!…are you kidding me ;))))))….how about when you’re rested and relaxed post Mexico and post Holidays (thanksgiving and christmas and new years), M and I come visit you….quiet….hugs…face-to-face stories :))))…wont wait long this time, and i wont fuck around….good long soulful chats :))))…

    im good for that, trust me :))))..

    and would be thrilled and happy to meet Mellisa Harris…for that would bring both of y’all more ice wine :)))

    ok, gotta run…

    hugs my friend….

    and cant wait to talk to the others about their work :))))

    running
    b

  • I think the one benefit to using a wiki based site is the ability to have anyone and everyone easily post their stuff on their own. It also leaves the possibility up for us to continue with projects after October with a centralized “dumping ground”

    I’m the kid here so I’ll just go with the flow.

  • DAVID, ERICA.

    Fazal is also definitely someone who has SOMETHING TO SAY with his images. Very inspirational as I look for “who I am” in my photography.

    Don’t know if David noticed that we both chose the same two of Alex’s images (thinking they were Marcins) Glad I picked them first…no one would ever accuse David of copying me…but it might look like I was copying him if he went first :))

    Erica you’re right, we better not tell Alex that there was one of his images neither of us selected :))

  • I am sorry I proposed a project. I think you all are doing great as it is, and the blog too.

    My apologies again.

  • BOB BLACK

    *blush*

    THANK YOU! I really enjoyed meeting you and Marina too – and I’ll do my very best to learn ‘American’ before we meet again ;)

    DAH
    I’m game if you are. In fact, today I spent time putting some thoughts down – will formalize them soon and send them through for your team to ‘critique’.

    ERICA
    I hope you’re standing tall girl — that’s big praise coming from the man!

    HERVE
    Is it all getting too hard?

    Maybe we should just create a Flickr account and be done with it — so easy — if the people who are participating all add each other as ‘family’ contacts we can allow higher res images to be viewed by ‘family’ but nobody else… could be done by 9am PST tomorrow with a thumbs up from you, the project initiator…

    C’mon ‘October’ people, it’s not about the way we view them — it’s about the pictures we make! Let’s make this project happen!

    GINA
    Glad you enjoyed Christmas at my house. I played it down – no kidding. Ah, good times, good times…

  • HERVE – sorry I’ve been away and havent followed the progress of the October Project! Whats the go ?
    Kerry – Nice pix of Tex on your web page , he’s going to be in Darwin next week and definitely will be there.

  • HILLARY,

    Thanks for the info about The Aftermath Project. It is really interesting!! It is a pity that the subject (behind war) leaves many of us out of it, but it opens a new amazing world to me! Will follow it up as I’m sure great things will come along it.
    I like Pep Bonet a lot. I’ve been following his work for a while. He is spanish and does a terrific work, yes! Incredible images in his HIV&AIDS Africa…

    PATRICIA,

    You are so sweet… thanks for your welcome! I’ve been having a tough time followed by happiness and that afortunately ended with satisfaction. Emotive and full of learning. As life itself. So it is really warm to come back and receive a hug. Big kiss to you!!

    ALL,

    There is a lot going on here. It is amazing to see how fast it goes!! I’ve been outfor not so long, just two weeks and seems like there are big news that I missed. In the last page I’ve read something about OCTOBER PEOPLE (have no idea of what this is), something about a MAGAZINE with BOB as an EDITOR, wow (have no idea of what it is either), something about The 37th Frame (Pete, I emailed you asking…), and sure many other great things that I just missed.

    Trains don’t wait and we should always be ready to jump in, but, oh God, it is impossible to be all the time at the train platform!

    Hugs

    Ana

  • help

    i can’t follow the conversations here anymore… been gone for a couple of days… i feel like i’m missing it all!!!!!

    please someone provide me a summary :)))

    JAMES CHANCE

    good to hear you again! how is jessica?

    cheers
    anton

  • Yes, ANTON… I need a summary too :D

  • KERRY!!!!

    Are you an Aussie Chick?

    ‘Cos if so WE RULE!!!!!

    ALL

    Congratulations to OUR BRUZ -MR GLENN CAMPBELL (the Darwin Variety) for being nominated for a very prestigious WALKLEY AWARD!!!!

    Beautiful work Glenn, but you know I like the portrait of Jenny Macklin in the water with one of my Bros even better!!!

    HERVE/SIDNEY would like to be in Oct 2008 (have been working on something new with absolutely NO news value, but fun!!!) and thanks for being nice about REPORTAGE, I haven’t been around ‘cos I actually managed to give myself second degree burns on a part of my hand ‘cos a mosquito coil set fire to my book case… Ah shit happens….

    And that is so often me…..

    (hehehehehe….)

  • Hi all

    is anyone having difficulties loading the new loft workshop movie?

    it doesn’t seem to load at all… just stays blank forever…

    the previous loft workshop movie loads fine, so I know my quicktime & browser are ok

    thanks

    Sam

  • Same thing on my side. I didn’t manage to load the movie …

  • ALL:

    movie WORKS :)))…it just takes a long time to download ’cause its a big file…i think it took ~20 minutes to cue up on my machine…but it’s there

    WATCH IT AND CELEBRATE THE WORKSHOPPERS!

    B

  • SAM..VINCENT…

    i cannot get it to load either….i do know that Mike had a lot of trouble getting it up and to include the music credits…the file for the second workshop was much larger than for the first…i will ask him today if anything can be done without sacrificing the music or credits…for some reason, others seem to have no trouble viewing the show…

    ANTON….

    summary:

    the Harvey blog family is alive and well even after gossipy next door neighbors reported hearing a few doors slam and the lights went out…later, however, the whole family was seen sitting on the back porch in the good light, laughing, and looking at family photo albums…the family is building a new larger house however and will move in at the beginning of 2009…family members will have to pitch in and paint and wield hammer and nails in order to make this new house a reality…the family will remain intact albeit wonderfully dysfunctional…as all good families inevitably are!!!!

    peace, david

    peace, david

  • wowow David…the Harvey blog family continues….the union is strength….

    “peace,love and photography”
    cristina

  • Sam & Vincent,
    the “loft workshop 2008-2” presentation is
    approx. 275MB file and takes anywhere between 10-15 minutes to load down. After it’s temp. stored on your computer you can start the
    show … for your viewing pleasure.-

    Gerhard

  • HEY DAVID

    Did a job today photographing a woman that has 20 (yes 20) siblings. Now thats a family!
    How do you really know really know all your brothers and sisters when there is that many?
    I reckon this place is a bit that way. You don’t really know them, but ya still luv em.
    When you are way out on the edge it good to feel you are you are still part of the family.

    ERICA

    Africa what a great idea.

    BOB B. Have you read Gould’s Book of Fish ?

  • For everyone having troubles loading the movie try this:

    right click on this link (see below) and select save link as

    http://davidalanharvey.com/sources/frontsite/display_file.php?file=slideshow/10/Final%20Slideshow_10_03_2008a.mp4

    The problem probably has to due with the fact that the movie is over 250mb in size and might crash your browser, without really crashing it… hence it never loads… I’ve seen this problem before and the best way to get around it is to save the movie onto your desktop and play it with your media player from there.

  • MATHEW….

    nice to hear from you….i always know you are “out there”!!!

    you would be amazed at how many readers here i have met…some in passing…but, many i have gotten to know quite well….the writers here constitute a very small proportion of the readers overall…

    of course, we would like to hear more from you…any new work?? it is hard to believe that it has been a year since we were all in Bangkok…now THAT was a singular experience!!!

    i do hope we will meet again soonest….and send us a link….

    ‘cheers, david

  • DAVID,

    My hammer and nails are ready. The hard work for a new house is always worth it. Already rolled up my sleeves, so count on my help too! whatever I can do….

    Besos

    Ana

  • fucking Ryan….;-)))))))

    you are a GENIUS….

    im gonna make a new movie about you…
    i’m gonna title it…

    “RYAN” or “I’m not a good person HOWARD…No2”
    ;-)
    anyways

    ALL
    IM EDITING VENICE STUFF ALL NIGHT LONG…

    I’m ready for a NEW VENICE LINK… IN A WHILE….
    All about my favorite vampire girl….Kristy..

    “KRISTY” if you read this…
    good luck on your NEW STRIPPER CAREER…
    i will come to the “Fantasy Island” tonight to support you…
    uncle Panos cant forget about you….
    ;-)

    good morning AMERICA
    good night EUROPE…

    ANTON…….;-))))))))
    new house…. you might be able tyo get your own room this time……..;-)

    ARI, thanks…

  • hillary.

    superb.. great.. thanks for the link..

    busy busy.. no time..
    bob as editor.. very good..

    online magazine.. i may know someone with adaptable, hand written code type site.. ready to go with minor adaptations.. easy to work, back end, with nominated editors..

    any thoughts?

    check http://www.leftlion.co.uk for one version of the spftware my mate alan has built.. updatable articles.. whats on.. forum.. it has it all in one tidy package.. movies.. the lots.. and leftlion also has a magazine..

    very good..

  • Thank you, Karim, for offering an easier, less time-consuming way to download & view the Loft Workshop 2 slideshow. It worked like a charm!

    I’d been at the original showing in that dark crowded room on the 4th floor of the Kibbutz two weeks ago today. There it was shown on a large white screen against black plastic-covered windows. We’d just seen and heard Paul Fusco and Alessandra Sanguinetti show and discuss their work. The crowd was buzzing; it was close and a bit claustrophobic in the room…and then this slideshow began. Total silence except for the occasional audible intakes of breath. Applause and “bravos” when Dave’s “It’s hard to a faggot” ended. And more applause after the last of Kyunghee’s images flashed on the screen. As the credits came on and the lights went up (a little), people were on their feet clapping and yelling their approval. Kyunghee was sitting on the floor right in front of me and I saw Paul Fusco, who was in a chair nearby, lean over, smiling, and compliment her on her work. Kyunghee’s smile could have powered all of New York at that moment.

    I remember sitting there in silence trying to catch my breath. It had been so emotional, so overwhelming, so extraordinary. Each photographer had taken us into a different world, yet they were all connected. The worlds they showed–both inner and outer–were one world, a world we all shared. Yet they’d gone places and shown us things we felt we’d never really seen before. Even the many New Yorkers in that room must have felt they were seeing their city through new eyes, and being touched in new ways by such everyday scenes as the subway, taxicabs, the streets and NY’s people. It was profound.

    So today I sit by myself at my laptop here in Michigan and view this slideshow again. This time it went even deeper. The sounds, the images, the stories, the magnificent photography–all of it–took me back to NY, back to that night, but more importantly, into the hearts and minds of these incredibly gifted photographers, most of whom I now know and love as individuals.

    How proud I am of each of you! And how proud you should be of yourself. Through long days and nights, tears and despair, joy and laughter, hard hard work, each of you has contributed an essential piece to this amazing document of life. BRAVO!!!!!!

    I will be watching this slideshow over and over, trying to learn from you how to open my eyes and heart to the world around me. And I thank you for that.

    I also want to thank David Alan Harvey for opening his home, his mind, his heart to students like these, persons who travel from around the world to work with this contemporary Master of Photography, a man who devotes his life to teaching & mentoring emerging photographers, while staying true to his own vision and work. David is a gift to our world and we are fortunate to know him. May we continue to work together to move this relatively young art form forward in its history. Each of us is an essential part of the whole.

    love
    Patricia

  • What a nice and emotive words, PATRICIA….

    Thank you too for being part of this family.

    “Each of us is an essential part of the whole” :-)

    Besos

    Ana

  • HELLO ALL…

    i am still here at the Frankfurt Book Fair…. got lost in the Phaidon booth today!!! meeting up with Lassal tomorrow night!!

    CRISTINA…. peace, love and photography…. you stole that from LOOK3 – ha ha!! xo

  • Hi all

    does anyone with a MAC know how to get this slideshow happening?
    unfortunately Karim’s advice is for pc’s…. (thanks anyway)

    every time I try it freezes up safari…

    cheers

  • Panos

    It’s a bit early to say good night europe.
    Europe wants party tonight :)
    or good film in tv…
    or good chat here…
    or…
    or…
    or… no… not this…

  • SAM

    I used Karim’s advice successfully on my MacBook Pro. I just used my old right-click mouse instead of my Apple mousie.

    Patricia

  • actually gina, at LOOK3 it’s Peace, Love, and (war) Photography

  • SAM HARRIS …

    KARIM hates pc’s even more than i do….
    trust me on that…
    i know each and everyone of his working computers…
    Ryan is a genius…
    he never wasted his time around microsoft
    or that fucker BILL GATES’S BULLSHIT…

    Ryan is pure…
    fuck MAC TOO…

    HACKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE…

    VIVA ” the DEMONOIDS”…
    VIVA “AZUREUS”…

    ( you know what i mean???? )

    peace…

  • Hi DAH,
    I just thought as well that it´s been almost a year since BKK……
    Is there any chance to show you some new work ?
    cheers,
    katharina

  • ok… ALL

    I GOT 3 NEW VENICE BEACH LINKS:

    1st LINK
    1st LINK
    1st LINK

    DANCING IN VENICE

    http://web.me.com/innerspacecowpanos/%22VENICE_BEACH%22/50%29_DANCING_IN_VENICE.html

  • DEAR PATRICIA…

    dammit, you brought tears to my eyes..all of the mud, blood, and sweat becomes worth it with a comment like yours…just like our forum here, up until the last day and even up until the last hour, it did not look like we were going to have a slide show at all..ask anyone who was there…which means we here gathered together on our forum must keep our “eyes on the prize” and never let “the process” be confused with what will eventually happen…the process never looks at all like the RESULT…

    i dream of the day when you are signing books, when we are popping a bottle of champagne at Bob’s opening, when we see Kyunghee’s new book, when David M. stands before large prints in his “garage” gallery, when Panos walks down the Venice Beach boardwalk passing out his book for free to pretty girls, when Erica’s portraits get the attention they deserve, etc etc etc. and when a hard copy of “Road Trips” sits in our laps…

    thank you for your enthusiasm and undying good spirit and energy…you are a beacon for us all…

    love, david

  • KATHARINA…

    yes, of course…but, please wait just a few more days for our DRR website to be opened…

    many of you from BKK are still around…most of you in fact…such incredible memories….i think the beauty of BKK, as in most intense workshop scenarios, is that it is never “over”, it just takes on a new “patina” with time..

    i await your new work….

    cheers, david

  • VENICE BEACH

    LINK 2
    LINK 2
    LINK 2

    portraits of Kristy the GO GO DANCER…
    KRISTY just started working in a strip club…
    please everyone show some support…

    to my favorite girl…
    6 suicide attempts… real friend…
    not a PHONY….

    http://web.me.com/innerspacecowpanos/%22VENICE_BEACH%22/51%29_KRISTY_the_GO_GO__girl.html

  • DAVID & ALL

    So glad my response to the workshop slideshow spoke to you. It certainly touched me deeply. I am not the same person or photographer from having seen/experienced it…and the wonderful folks who created it, Mike Courvoisier included!

    NOW FRIENDS, please help me out with honest feedback about the text I’ve added to my self portrait/daily life project! Be brutal. If it doesn’t work, tell me. But please say something!

    I’ve just added more to the introductory text so, even if you’ve already read it, please go back and read it again.

    I need to know if I’m on the right track here or if another approach would be better. Writing comes easily to me so the whole thing can be scrapped and begun again if need be. But I need your feedback.

    Thanks so much in advance!!!

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/daily_life

    Patricia

  • VENICE BEACH

    3rd LINK
    3rd LINK
    3rd LINK

    JIM MORRISON : THE PROTECTOR… THE SAINT OF VENICE BEACH…

    http://web.me.com/innerspacecowpanos/%22VENICE_BEACH%22/52%29_JIM_RV_%28_revisited_with_Anna%29.html

  • Panos

    The go go dancer…
    But why not go go dancing???

  • VENICE

    3rd LINK

    HIGH, HIGHER, HIGHEST RESOLUTION

    http://gallery.me.com/innerspacecowpanos#100336&view=mosaic&sel=0

    OK…
    done, roasted….
    going back to venice…

    from this mountain cabin???? only 101 MILES AWAY….
    no big deal…;-))))))

    peace and have a nice weekend everyone….

    … that was a MULTIPLE ORGASM for me…
    ( i didnt know i was able to do that…;-))))) )

    peaceeeeeeeeeeeeee ( for Tibet)

  • ok..Marcin…
    more UNCENSORED KRISTY to come…
    please be patient

    ;-)

  • Patricia

    When will you print selfmade book with your photos? I think it will be most strongest as a print book. I will buy it. I love to have one.

  • Sam, try control + click on the MAC
    That should be the same as right click on a PC.

  • I just come to look the slide show for At Home 2 workshop 2008,
    Congratulations to all the students, Kirsten, Andrea, Judith, Cliff, David, Laredo, Doug …

    Kyunghee Lee,
    a whole poem, I love your dreams…

    Ari,
    Thank you very much … and not, regrettably, I am not Audrey Tatou…

    Best regards, audrey

  • DAVID!

    thanks for the update!!! hilarious situation: you summarizing the conversations in your own house :))) LOVE it :))))))

    and yes PANOS, i’m applying straightaway for a room in this new house… you betcha! we can be roommates… share beer & spices, but not the girls… or maybe we will? :-P

    DAVID again

    went to get my printed images of birgit today… oh my god it was like a revisiting all over again… it looked beautiful… colors worked so well on paper and in the layout… i WILL be bringing them all along to mexico and i WILL show you and i WILL nag you to help me edit :)))

    (insert proud boy standing here)

    :))))

    DAVID again again

    PS tip for the QUICKTIME!!!!
    when you/michael save/export the quicktime/mp4 slideshow, check the option “prepare for internet streaming”… it makes the file-size slightly larger, but the video will start playing as soon as there are a few frames loaded… much less waiting time… and you will see the loader/scrub bar… and the browser shouldn’t crash…

    try it…

    love to all of you here – this is such a great place
    anton

  • PATRICIA ~

    The first time around I saw your photos and read your words… I cried & couldn’t respond… emotionally powerful words with your photos of your daily life coupled by my own particular mood, my own fears.

    Reading again your words and looking closer at the pixx i find such strength and beauty, power and emotion, acceptance and perseverance… resilience and letting go of things we cannot change. You mention loss and it is a big loss…but you have found something unfathomably deep, maybe inner strength or artistic vision. You have become a teacher and it is apparent that you work hard to promote joy and peace through what you have experienced and overcome in your life, it is probably just who you are that is inspiring to us all and not only to the alter abled community.

    Thank you for sharing this intimate portrait of yourself.

    With Love,
    Hillary

  • That’s a great tip Anton… There is also a way to create a dummy file which points to a small, big, and huge file so that the quicktime player selects the appropriate file depending on a users bandwith.

  • hey HILLARY

    still going through all the comments… will take me all night i suppose.. i noticed you looked at birgit.. THANKS for looking and replying… and yes, a decent decent edit is needed… but i’m bugging david to come to the rescue on that one :)))))

    love
    anton

  • PATRICIA~

    I thought you might be interested in (if you don’t know already), The Joint Forces Dance Company. Aside from them doing workshops at my favorite Hot Springs…Breitenbush, and around the world, they have a link on their site to Danceability classes in Detroit. This is Contact Improvisational Dance. Being an active person and a music lover I thought you would like to know about this group. I have a friend who has had MS practically his whole life and to watch him dance is pure art & beauty.

    http://www.jointforcesdance.com/links.php

    Peace,
    H.

  • PATRICIA,

    I’ve just visited your gallery and, despite not being able to judge your text as a brazilian with a shallow english knowledge, I can tell you it touched me.
    Actually your photos shouted first! And your text came to fullfill your amazing story of a victorious fighter!
    I must admit I’ve seen the first pictures of your project a couple of months ago but wasn’t the same experience as I had today.
    Your work is inspirational!

    All the best,

    Ari B.

  • HILLARY.

    Just on for a minute…skimming…I have wanted to get to Breitenbush for YEARS. What a great place. Many people I know teach workshops there. I’ve known Eckhart Tolle since he started teaching in Vancouver (now famous thru Oprah) and never made it to his Breitenbush workshops…I was always in India at the time.

    Glad you’ve been able to enjoy it.

  • PANOS,

    Just saw your last two adds (Dancing and the last Jim Morrison’s series) and have to say: It was not easy for me to interpret some of your previous series… but I am learning and I am also in a good mood.
    ;-))

    Your M8 is a machine gun man!

    To tell you the truth I really enjoyed your Dancing series, as well as the first outdoors you’ve made. The venice street pics. The light, the characters… I don’t know exactly but I’m learning more about the Panos style.

    Hope you forgive me…

    Cheers,
    Ari B.

  • DAVID MCG….

    what do you mean by (war) photography??? them are fighting words my friend….. xo

  • CATHY~

    I was fortunate to be a member of the Breitenbush Community for 4 years. Completely off the grid, powered by the river & geothermal heat in the wilderness, I highly recommend it as a retreat & a place to take workshops. I now live 40 min away in another valley in the Oregon Mountains….

    Someone a while back mentioned the photography of Doug Beasley. He was up at Breitenbush last month giving a workshop and he let me sit in on a day with his group. Students of all levels…He is a lovely man, great teacher…. joyous & soulful… he’s doing another workshop in February…If you or anyone else makes it out this way, would love to know and I’ll share some of my favorite magical places…

    H.

  • you know what I mean – war photography is so well represented at Look3 – just a touch of irony, you know

  • DAH,
    right…the BKK workshop has taken us on quite a journey since last year November…

  • I took these a few hours ago, I just felt like sharing:

    http://tinyurl.com/55m73b

  • PANOS

    Man, you just keep DOIN’ IT!!! I must admit, I ENVY your use of light & shadow. Like WOW!!!

    These three galleries are terrific additions to your now-monumental body of work. What a book/exhibition THIS is gonna be…

    ARI

    I am so appreciative of your taking the time to visit my gallery. Your comments both here and there touch me deeply. I’m grateful that the images spoke to you. And it seems to me that your grasp of English is excellent!

    HILLARY

    Thank you for so obviously understanding the message behind my images and words. I don’t want to sound too much like a cheerleader but, dammit, life’s too short to sit around feeling sorry for oneself. Life is to be lived FULL OUT, and I hope that’s what comes across.

    And thanks for the info on Detroit’s Danceability classes. I used to do contact improv back when I was able-bodied, and tried it again a couple years ago. Alas, I was a bit too enthusiastic and cracked a couple of ribs letting someone roll over me. I’ve been less inclined to pursue that activity ever since ;~(

    love
    Patricia

  • RYAN…
    THAT’S HOT…LOVES IT!

    ARI…
    yes bro, the M8 is a machine gun…

    but i’ll tell you something… fuck any M8, or this or that camera…
    i was telling ryan the other day, that is all about creating your
    own story, demand the right light, and kinda know what you
    after … you can get 2 or 3 great photos out of 1 roll of film..
    instead of shooting 500 photos of who knows what…

    its not about hunting, hoping, waiting…
    its about CREATING…

    CREATE… CREATION… THAT MEANS YOU FOUND IT…
    EVEN IF IT WASNT REALLY THERE….
    ( make sense )…

    kinda like doing drugs but without actually doing any…
    see what i mean??????

    laughing
    peace

  • KARIM

    Those are absolutely lovely! Especially subtle tonality. Love it!

    Patricia

  • MARCIN

    Your comment put a huge grin on my face. Thank you, dear brother, for all your support…

    love
    Patricia

  • OK FRIENDS…

    Time to hop over to David’s new thread. See ya there…

    Patricia

  • PATRICIA

    love the text! you definitely LIVE OUT LOUD my friend! I think Hillary summed it up best though.

  • No, I dont have anything to add, I just wanted to be the 500th post. Dont mind me, I am easily amused.

  • I would load my camera with TRI-X, hand it to Obama and say “f8 and be there”!

    It would be fun developing the roll of film at the end of that day!!!

  • I’d like to thank Bob Black and all others who have viewed my slide show and have blogged their very kinds and a supportive commnents.

    I’d like to say that creating it was a labor of love — but it wasn’t. But now two weeks removed from the raw emotion and am beginning to appreciate it differently.

    Since my classes’ slide show on the DAH is quite long and takes a long time to load, I have posted a slightly modified version of the show on my web site.

    The changes from the DAH version are minimal and only serve to make the presentation a bit more polished and powerful.

    To view instantly, browse to:

    http://www.david-keenan.com/dah_slideshow

    Thanks again to DAH for his support, insight, and inspiration.

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