The Kibbutz

The Kibbutz

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  • hello all

    i have been so crazy busy i have not had time to be around Burn except to post stuff…my main job, but just no time to be here in comments….

    been on the run for weeks….and straight from mexico to korea with often no internet and well no time….

    skimmed the comments here and see the camera phone is again the topic for many…i do not even think there ca be a discussion on this anymore….

    the camera phone is not only here to stay , it has quickly become THE camera of choice by many….an extension of your body as no other camera…sure i wish they had at least slightly larger sensors…and they will….and all cameras within a year will have wifi to compete with the phone camera…the phone camera has totally revolutionized the photo world in the short time we have even been having this discussion here on Burn…

    for street photography now how do you beat it? since everyone is using a phone camera everywhere all the time, nobody looks out of place using one…i have w me now my Nikon D800…i tried taking it out to shoot some street stuff and immediately put it back in the bag…too damned big too damned obtrusive..so i use my Fuji x100s or s100x whatever it is, and this has become my “big camera”…and yes for some things i use my med format mamiya vii film camera…

    the phone camera has all of us shooting all the time…loose or studied….

    the mobile phone has changed our lives..for better or for worse….i now know that if i only got on a plane with ONE OBJECT i could do absolutely everything with my phone , including getting on the plane …my etickets are now on my phone…if i had in my pocket a credit card, a passport, and my iPhone, i could go anywhere and do everything..and for sure someday my passport and my credit card will also be on my phone….

    this is so crazy that if i even lose my phone for a few seconds i go into total panic attack…if somebody stole my camera i would be not so happy…if somebody stole my phone, i would be apoplectic

    that is just the way it is

    home for Thanksgiving (i think)..and time to chat with all of you a bit more…..

    cheers, david

  • David, concerning everyone using their phone as a camera and your panic at the thought losing yours, if time allows be sure to read this Instagram I posted earlier today. The picture is one you could easily scroll past without paying much attention, but stop and read the text. I think you will get a kick out of it:

    http://instagram.com/p/gyW0sivqbh/

  • @ DAVID:

    I think that in a couple of years you won’t think anymore about your Iphone or Ipassport or credit card ’cause one small chip will be hidden below your skin in your forearm, so, at least that losing your arm you will carry everything with you… Tech stuff moves at the speed of light…

    Does anyone here tried GoogleGlasses??

    Shine. P.

  • Patricio,

    The only photographer I know of who has used it is Koci Hernandez:

    http://lightbox.time.com/2013/08/19/theater-of-the-streets-shot-on-google-glass/

  • I guess I’m a fossil. I just have not warmed to using an iphone to make photos. I actually have one, I bought my son’s old one when he upgraded. It’s been mostly sitting in a drawer. I have not had it activated, still using my old flip phone, and only make about 6 phone calls a month on it.

    I prefer eye level viewing and make my personal photographs with either an old Canon Rebel XS usually with a little 28mm lens, or my Fuji X100. Both are small and light. I only use my 5d11 for work. I make portraits for a living, and full frame suits my portrait needs better. I’d welcome a much smaller full frame camera.

    The angle of view on the iphone is kind of wide for my taste, and I don’t really like the infinite depth of field, or the general look of iphone images compared to larger sensors. This year I’ve started shooting film again after not shooting any since 2003, and am discovering that I still like both the process, and way the images are rendered.

    I have to admit, I’m getting tired of seeing all the ap/instagram processed photos everywhere. They’re all kind of looking too trendy at this point. Kind of reminds me of a point in the sixties when all that cross-processing and high contrast was cool. I did my share back then. It was fun but got boring fast.

    I may yet fire up the iphone, but I’m not in a rush. I mean, don’t you iphone shooters ever think to yourself when looking at an iphone photo “damn, I wish I’d shot that with a real camera”?

  • Gordon,

    we can’t always have a real camera with us so the question may be get the photo or nothing at all. The iPhone or Galaxy is a better option to nothing at all.

  • @ ALL:
    How can you deal with the fact that you never get the picture when you really want it? I mean, there is ALWAYS a shutter delay with phones that there is not with DSLR cameras or Fuji or Lumix.
    I cannot deal with that…

    Instagram transforms a 2:3 picture in a 1:1 ratio.
    When you shoot you see the whole cell phone frame not a square frame?? Is there and App to use the entire frame with that kind of software?

    Gracias. P.

  • (lyrics)

    DAY AT THE ZOO (TRIBUTE TO LOU REED)

    Do you remember the other day
    you called me on the phone
    i asked you well how you doin
    you said : im all alone

    Do you remember that evening by the river
    you were so drunk you couldnt see me at all
    i was feeling cold in the middle of december
    No Romance at all

    Do you remember that morning in the zoo last year
    how much you scared that poor little monkey
    you were so drunk again, i carried u on my shoulder
    i was feeling like a donkey

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1z3oMWiMzc

  • pAtrIcIO m, I found an app called Easy Square that lets you get a full frame photo on Instagram. Also found I had little to no interest in doing it, but that’s a different story.

    Regarding this comment thread that’s turned into yet another rehashing of people’s obsession with a particular type camera, my comment above was not about any particular type camera. It was about the article that Carlo linked to’s contention that when one used a particular type camera that technical mastery of photography was no longer necessary and that in the future everyone would use a particular type camera and could make equally great photos with it. Personally, I don’t see that happening. It’s like most people eat identical meals at McDonald’s or that particular type of restaurant. Like some particular types of cameras, it’s very convenient and they are everywhere. Yet the high end dining experience is still out there and will always provide options that the fast food joints don’t. My position is that you can eat what you like and can afford and I’ll eat what I like and can afford and we should all be able to get along despite these superficial and unimportant differences.

  • Yes, as is often the case this conversation took a turn I had not intended after my comments as well. Of course, In hindsight it should have been terribly predictable. (AKAKY – straight line? Surely there is some subject for intellectually comedic rambling in here).

    I, too, was referencing the article that Carlo linked, but got a very different message from it than MW. While the article was related to the demise or challenges of the DSLR market and the declining sales of them, there was a point midway that immediately turned me off, and it really related to content and voice as opposed to imaging device used..

    What turned me off in the article was that there seemed to be a lamenting that technical mastery was NO LONGER the goal, and that the attention now is on emotion and, for lack of a better summary word, heart. Or voice. Or feeling.

    I maintain that technical mastery will continue to be a foundation element, and that it alone has NEVER been enough by itself. It seemed like the author was disappointed that learning to make a well exposed, color-correct, sharply focused image wasn’t enough anymore. I contend that it has never been enough….

    Anyway, whatever you capture your images with, continue to do the work…I am trying to practice that preaching now, and am pleased with two or three images I got over the weekend at a very surreal art event/festival/party….and quite a few almost-but-not-quite images….which I found not discouraging other than the missed opportunity…but encouraging that I even saw the potential….

    On a different note, last weekend I also had the opportunity to attend a talk by Carl Corey, and see some of his prints, and after the lecture had the chance to meet him and chat informally about a few things.

    Interesting images, more interesting to me after examining them for a bit…and I like his approach to meeting and photographing people. His images struck me as like a Richard Avedon with feeling and compassion for the subject. I bought his book “Tavern League”, and like many of the images in his current projects, especially “Blue”, which is portraits of American blue-collar workers in their work environment.

    If you’re interested, you can see his work on his website. The monthly notes and Diary sections are kind of interesting: carlcorey.com

    good light, all.
    A.

  • If you are happy shooting with an iphone do it
    If you are happy shooting with an DSLR do it
    If you are happy shooting with an SLR do it….

    If you have chosen photography as your way of expression you will do it with whatever tool is available to you…

  • Again, just to be clear, I agree with everything Andrew says about the limits of technical mastery. It’s a pre-req, not an end goal. No amount of technical mastery will help people who have nothing interesting to say. But technical mastery will provide much more opportunity to those who do have something to say to say it in the unique ways they envision. And, also importantly, it gives us the necessary knowledge to properly choose the best tool(s) to tell the story, whatever those tools may be.

    Most people, I think, see photography as pictures of things. When a parent takes a picture of her daughter before the prom, that’s all the picture is about. That’s what her daughter looked like before the prom. Technical advances in digital cameras give parents the ability to take technically much better pictures of things such as their daughters in prom dresses than in the past, and that’s nice, but it still ends up being just a picture of a thing. An artist, on the other hand, is not taking a picture of the individual in a prom dress. He or she is making an image that speaks to some of the cultural ramifications of the prom; of teenagers hopes and dreams and how society stuffs them into expensive, tacky clothes and makes them pretend to have a good time as a precursor to the rest of their lives. Well, maybe not that, but something beyond the thing that is being photographed. And outside of the ten trillion monkeys typing for a thousand years will eventually write something as good as War and Peace phenomenon, technical mastery is a big part of what allows the artist to tell a compelling story where most people just photograph a thing.

    As for photography as a happy pill, that’s fine. Whatever gets one through the night, as they say. It sure beats anti-depressants. But I think for most top photographers it’s about much more than that. Many stories are sad or disgusting or even sickening, but the photographer believes they need to be told and is willing to do so at great emotional cost and discomfort. I very much doubt, for example, that James Nachtwey is happy while photographing TB victims. For many, I know, it’s an unselfish thing.

  • Let’s put it this way to try and please everybody…I will try but we all know that’s impossible:

    If you like shooting with an iphone do it
    If you like shooting with an DSLR do it
    If you like shooting with an SLR do it….

    and to borrow nike’s saying….”just do it”

    we can all half joke, no?

    anyways….more and more professionals are expressing how photography is the new universal language…it’s not just about books, galleries, shows, whatever….it really is everywhere….in places we probably don’t even consider. Last time I was at the dentist they pull out a canon 7D with a ring light and took photos of my ugly mouth and teeth….it was pretty scary….so yes…..it’s everywhere. I guess it’s more a matter of perspective…which angle you are looking at it from. Look at what JR is doing!
    I like how Koudelka, D’agata and others put it…photography is about life….and life is everywhere…

  • ….more and more professionals are expressing how photography is the new universal language…it’s not just about books, galleries, shows, whatever….it really is everywhere……….. this just highlights how far photographers are out of touch with what the general population has been aware of for a long time

  • Here’s a good anecdote that gets to the heart of what I’m trying to say. In response to an article on Lou Reed’s recent death a professional guitarist wrote something that included a line to the effect that Lou was not a virtuoso guitarist. I asked if he was familiar with “Songs for Drella” and was curious how he could consider that performance and not consider Lou to be a virtuoso. His answer was that he meant no disrespect, quite the contrary. He said that Lou was technically a very good guitarist, but that he or pretty much any professional guitarist could play the same notes Lou played. The difference, he said, was that although they conceivably could have, no one else ever thought to play the same notes Lou played.

    I think that’s apt for photographers as well. With all the advancements in technology, pretty much any professional photographer can take the same quality photos as Cartier Bresson or any of the old or new masters. But thinking to take those pictures? That’s what separates the artists from the technicians. And choosing the right tools as well. Lou worked extensively with custom guitar makers. He knew his instruments quite well and that was how he was able to translate the sounds he could think of into sounds other people could hear. And beyond the sounds, he had very unique and insightful stories to tell.

    I don’t mean to be argumentative, at least not in any kind of hostile way. This is just stuff I enjoy discussing. As for the “if you like” construction, I don’t much care what I shoot with as long as it does the job I need it to do. What I like is getting compelling images that stand on their own but more importantly convey aspects of stories I want to tell. Whatever technology helps with that is fine with me.

  • I should get a cellphone; apparently everyone here in this our Great Republic has a cellphone and a plan with unlimited texting and I’m getting tired of the strange looks I get when I tell people that I’ve never had one. As for technical mastery, well, I think knowing what you’re doing always helps. As Louis Pasteur or some other very famous dead French person said, luck favors the prepared mind. Andrew, conversations will do all sorts of turning when you’re not around to keep them on track. I blame peer pressure for that sort of thing. And drugs; you can never underestimate the influence of drugs these days.

  • nauseous from self importance

  • Something goes in a way more ‘photography’ to me, more kodakchrome, more trix, less ‘über-extra-info’…

  • a civilian-mass audience

    APOPLECTIC:

    “Apoplectic comes from a Greek word that means to “disable by a stroke.” What is a stroke? The sudden loss of consciousness or control caused when a blood vessel in the brain ruptures or becomes blocked. When this happens, a person becomes apoplectic. This word also applies to someone who acts so upset, it is like he or she is having a stroke.”

    That’s why I LOVE BURN !!!

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNf3mvCrW0E

    That day that the guitar started talking

    video shot on super old MICRO-NIKKOR MEDICAL 55mm ceramic lens… it was supposed to shoot pills and medicine…not guitars

    but for me? a guitar IS the ULTIMATE med…

    ….all those stories that the guitar telling me and im unable to hear..coz im only trained to listen to myself and myself only while making love to her.. but the guitar had numerous lovers before me…

  • Grab yourself a christmas bargain.
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151730060461428.1073741828.710416427&type=1&l=6677b3c21a
    I am printing these all myself. they are all signed on the reverse by the artist. They are going very fast and printed they do look very cool. So what you waiting for?

  • My old friend Petros appeared again.. I lost him for 15 years .. Suddenly one day he called me out of the blue.. “I’m playing LYRA” he said, that old music instrument that defines the traditional folk music from the Greek island of Crete… ” I wrote a song ” he said..
    Petros used to have an indie band back in LA where he was born from a Greek father and an LA woman mom…
    Now he lives in Napa with his wife and two babies . Years went by but Petros stayed the same . A true artist , a youngster , a seeker ..
    “Send me the song” I screamed with my eyes on fire .. Send me that LYRA song and I’ll dress it up.. I’ll add guitars , drums, violin etc… I’ll record it and share it with the world …
    So I added:
    There are 8 LAYERS:
    1) Petro’s original LYRA/ vocals
    2)violin
    3) VINTAGE DRUM KIT ( 4 changes )
    4) lead guitar
    5) acoustic guitar
    6) distorted guitar
    7) clean guitar
    8) BASE guitar

  • a civilian-mass audience

    HAPPYYYYYYYYYYYYY THANKS GIVING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    oime…PANOS :)

    I Love you MY BURNIANS!!! I hope you are ALL out there… shooting …remember this…

    you are ALL Brave,Unique,Rock,Noble…BURN THANK YOU!!!

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