dangerous current…



We are now in the process of building a separate page for the Family Drive project. We take off driving around Oct 1 for an online version of the process, but of course I am shooting all the time on it. This body of work has been modified a few times in the last three years and is even a traveling exhibit , large prints/ medium format film, yet evolution of idea and stance and raison d’être are in constant flux…Why? Because I change my mind.

Rather make up my mind. Do what will come most natural. Reflect the feelings I have about family in the broadest sense. This new project will absolutely not be what you might imagine it would be. I just cannot do, will not do, a traditional look at American families as I originally intended. An evolution of an idea is not the end of an idea and I always knew I needed another “moving part”. Not more moving parts, less moving parts, but a different moving part. Simple.

Driving across country to take pictures is a really really old old idea. Everybody’s fantasy , and almost everybody has done it. Including many non-Americans, starting with Robert Frank. Kerouac, Pirsig, Steinbeck, Thompson, Twain, Least Heat Moon, Kuralt, hell American travelers are many. Still the road beckons somehow. Crossing America North is a THING. Hard to explain, but a real thing. I guess it is because it is the WAY the place was “discovered”. Folks went West. Guns blazing. Kick ass. Wagons packed. Mud, blood, and beer, all the way, the American way.

Who among us cannot get caught up in the current election process? I mean, this time it really is a defining election. Oh I doubt the country would really change no matter. I lived in Washington for 15 years, and I know for sure that Washington is Washington and protected by all who reside no matter red nor blue. It really is one big club. Yet still this moment is as defining as I can remember. It will set a tone one way or the other. So my journey will blast right into the heart of it and will be over just as a prez is chosen by “we the people”….

The trip across will NOT be the whole book of course…It is just for others to join here online and see a thinking process. Like my riobook online , intended to be a bit of a workshop or educational experience. Unlike riobook , this will be open and free.

So join us online. Jump in with questions. Show up and buy us lunch (please).

Or, show up first at the Bubble Lounge in New York on September 24th. A Rio blast with all the characters from (based on a true story) live and present  and dancing and well, be there! Not to be missed if you are in New York. Oh yes, a cast of characters present that you might imagine if you were imagining…This is a manifestation of my last online adventure. I try always to turn my fantasies into realities…Oftentimes a real mistake, yet sometimes just right…Find out :)



172 Responses to “dangerous current…”

  • I wish, but the 24th is a workday and my mother is having an operation on her hand, so the dutiful son must drive her to the hospital and then bring her home. Still, the Bubble Lounge sounds mighty tempting. I don’t go to dens of iniquity very often, but then, I don’t go anywhere very often.

  • Did you choose that photo because of “I try always to turn my fantasies into realities” or because of the trip? perhaps both? they are related after all, no?

    Looking forward to “Family drive” project page!
    Very generous as always!

  • “…my last online adventure…”!!!!!

  • “Why? Because I change my mind.”

    Glad to read this sentence. I’ve been doing this a lot lately. Perhaps you can understand.

    I will have to miss the Bubble Lounge. I will be in a cold place, though not as cold as it used to be, maybe hanging out part time with polar bears, depending on the direction of the wind. I am a little worried about it, because right now I do not feel nearly as tough as I used to. Please think of me at least once and tip your glass to the north and make toast on my behalf – in silence. No one needs to hear it.

  • “Because with beauty there are only two
    directions, the one we all know

    with the cathedrals and the night-
    blooming flowers, everything composed
    by dull symmetries, and the other direction

    which is to see beauty in gutter water
    or broken shoes, and which depends
    so on the entirely on the first direction

    that we all know it, too.”
    S.E. Smith

  • My take is that this will be great for David, not so for burn. The Rio fling took a lot of steam out of the regular postings on burn. With fewer essays floating around, lack of singles, the instagram thing on hold etc I can see the rest of burn as pretty dead as a door nail during the trip.
    For those that like to follow others have fun and enjoy

  • I think David has a hard time burying his darlings. Burn,it seems to me, has become more albatross than asset to him.

  • Jim it still is a vehicle of communication and contact for him, so that is a reason for burn to continue. whether it can survive probably will depend on those that assist and the audience

  • Jim, while I do not always agree with your opinions, I do respect them. However, it seems that you have been calling for David to jettison his role in Burn for some time now. Although I have never met DAH, I do get the feeling that no matter how selflessly he gives to Burn – the moment it begins to drag on his creativity/productivity, he will shut it down, or walk away.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjoa3QazVy8&bpctr=1347579319

    here is the link in youtube of the controversial movie…CNN insists is not available anymore but i still see it in youtube..do you?

  • Thanks Panos for the support and thanks to Burn and burnians…And for those who have time to check, some familiar faces of this talented family at the blog. You’ll feel like home :) Hope you enjoy!

  • funniest think is that everyone is after the LEAST gifted filmmaker in the whole world…yet he become super famous/infamous overnight…!!!!??? weird or what? what kinda world we living in ….?

  • Congratulations – Roberta! (I think – many times I wonder how smart it is(n’t) to put all the time I do into a keeping a blog.) I’ll be following!

  • “Although I have never met DAH, I do get the feeling that no matter how selflessly he gives to Burn – the moment it begins to drag on his creativity/productivity, he will shut it down, or walk away.”

    Burn is adrift. It has been for some time. The old “Road Trips” blog was far more David’s style. Burn has always needed a long term, sustained focus, and David is more interested in doing his own thing (as he should be) then running an enterprise. I’m a DAH fanboy. I’ve always contended, though, that DAH out shooting photos in his own unique way is more “valuable” to photography in general than DAH as publisher of an online magazine. That Burn has shifted from it’s initial emphasis on (sometimes) emerging photographers, to more about DAH, his work and adventures, suggests suggests the latter should have always been the emphasis.


    you are both right on it…my mentoring and teaching has been with me my whole photographic life and the balance between my own work and what i can do for others is always tricky…i always tried to make time for the work of others…..at the same time, if i am motivated to be doing my own work, then there just comes a time of choice…i hate like hell to make it either/or , but if it does come down to that, then Burn will take more of a Road Trips turn…online “enterprise” has never been the goal however…i rejected all kinds of advertising possibilities etc and have just gone with donations etc…mostly we just all work for free…and for fun….

    i am trying to figure out how to turn the reigns of the Burn editorial part over to someone else…i would still see everything, but not literally be calling photogs and asking them “why did you omit picture #3?”….there is a lot of nitty gritty work that goes on here that does take lots and lots of time….my colleague Alec Soth has morphed his original blog into more of a personal production effort and i may do the same….there will always be, as with the original Road Trips, displayed the work of others either emerging or established…and for sure a small book publishing effort for others is underway…that could be a logical and organic evolution….

    it is true that more of my own work is showing up here, but it is totally “watered down” honestly to what i am actually doing….i mean, for some unknown reason, i am on fire!! and only a tiny bit of it shows up here….we still are publishing here at the same rate the work of emerging photogs, yet because i have such intense projects going, they do bleed on to Burn….should not be too much of a dilemma for readers though, since i intend for any “fire” to hopefully be a learning experience for others or more importantly for others to “catch on fire” just a bit……all part of the mentoring bit…

    since Burn is not in any way an “enterprise”, but a hobby, i can surely do whatever makes the most sense…Burn has no debt, no sponsors, no strings of any kind….this is the very good news….Burn may just be sort of like “one picture” in a portfolio…one era….a representation of a part of what i believe in…but it certainly never coulda shoulda woulda been the “whole enchilada”…never thought that at all..

    thanks for thinking boys..see you soon

    cheers david

  • when the reins are handed over then the beginning of the end is on the cards

  • DAVID..
    you are on fire…
    and always have been..
    BuRN baby BuRN……. :)
    Congrats on your blog…
    you are a photo junkie…
    aren’t we all?!?!?!?!

  • Nice blog Roberta!
    Thanks for pointing it out Panos.

    Now I need time to read it ;-)

  • I was kinda hoping the timing would be right, and you could stop by my wedding tomorrow. Nevertheless, let me know if you are coming through Iowa.

  • Dave…evidently we are really excited to join the next online adventure, an odyssey only you would have guts to guide. Oh Rio book! ..Here he goes again..just one more..a little more..please… and then he packs the bag and next thing you know; -Load the van and Hello America! :)

    Carlo, Wendy and Bill..(and Panos again)
    It’s very tremendously intensively rewarding to know you took some time to check it out the blog and more time to come back here and to leave these lovely lines. Thank you so much. My motivation was exactly that:a space where I could find my tribe, photo junkies who can understand another member in this circus, treat, party, smoke room :) Burn plays such a part in all of this
    And Bill , concering blogs ..you are definitely my menthor

  • Hope you stick a map on that page showing your route (as you make it up) … link photos to place on tumblr tags, etc …


    LOVE THE BLOG..great work! sent you an email…..your love of photography exceeds that of most photographers!! i am not kidding….


    wow! getting married tomorrow..or i guess TODAY by the time you read this..or, actually YESTERDAY more likely by the time you read this….

    super congratulations and so sorry i did not get to the church on time….do not know if Iowa will be on the trip….we cannot be everywhere, and we have no plan….that’s the plan anyway….


    aren’t you gonna find us somewhere “out there”? wouldn’t seem right if you didn’t


    well , you might be right…that is for sure what normally happens…but what might transpire is just another page…a Road Trips page….where i can do my thing, yet apart from the front page of Burn…see, the thing is i end up posting stuff on FB and Instagram and Tumblr which is crazy since i have my own venue here….anyway, we will see….talk soonest my friend….

    cheers, abrazos, david

  • Could be, never know, hitch a ride on a tumbleweed blowing out of the coulee …

  • Roberta –

    I appreciate that thought, especially since my blog has been on the dull side since I went into surgery. I am about to go north, where life is really getting interesting, so I hope it picks up a bit. On the down side, internet connections tend to be so slow up there, especially in the small villages of just a few hundred people, that sometimes I just have to give up and not blog at all.

    But even when it is too slow for me to upload and blog, it will be fast enough for me to read your blog.

  • As you know David stuff that happens beats plans that may happen.
    I finally put the first book I completed (etrouko I “Dreaming backwards”) up for sale just for feelers type of debut, not a biog earner just about all goes into costs maybe the profit is a 4gig SD card. The book is on my site http://www.etrouko.com
    I figured with completing that “etrouko” series of 5 and the dozen or so small square ones the quality and the content is there in the books. Each book is a exhibition within itself………………. I am going to do a show at the local hall near our studio to be in Tasmania. There is nice light and the concertina books (those fold up ones you saw at the workshop) will look the part in the natural light streaming from the large old windows playing with the dark recesses
    I will catch up soon

  • I love this place… I’ll miss the frank discussions, rambling thoughts, flashes of genius if/when it’s done.
    Certainly has the best named space of all time! Viva Burn!

    Glad for your FIRE and forever grateful that you’ve had the urge to share/mentor with us all.

    Roberta, your blog looks great- Can’t wait to dig in, congrats!

    xo M

    RIO photos look GREAT in this months nat geo….
    and i love the fold out…
    what a teacher you are!!
    THANK you!
    best $1.99 i ever spent!

  • It’s Saturday
    time to chill out…
    The sky’s bright and blue and the sun is shining but it isn’t that scorching summer sun…
    And I see images everywhere
    Even through my car window…


    i have not seen the NatGeo piece…but thanks for the report…i assume i will be seeing you soonest when Easy Rider meets the Dirty Dozen and the dah circus ends up in L.A….is that a “yes”?

    cheers, david

  • PAUL

    i love the car window picture…and nice little vignettes in general

    cheers, david

  • David…

    Thank you! I’m feeling very happy with that photo and considering the fact I had contemplated giving up photography just this last week, it just goes to prove when everything goes wrong one must push on.

  • But the question still lingers?……….how much is Paul how much is instagram.
    Nothing wrong with not taking photographs I never bothered for about a decade had no cameras had a great time without being tethered to a box

  • “But the question still lingers?……….how much is Paul how much is instagram.”

    I would venture to say no more of a ratio of Paul:Instagram than Paul:Velvia.

    Nice shot, Paul! Kids and dogs always win in my book, :)

    Imants, I also agree with your statement. I haven’t mean making photos for a few months, and feel no worse for wear. Life has kept me busy and I feel fulfilled, in other ways.


    Wow, killer stuff Harvey, mucho respect for this. You are on fire.

  • “how much is Paul how much is instagram”

    Good grief, I thought we were past such stupid comments. Instagram, iphone, hipstamatic, who gives a fuck. If the image works it works, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t.

  • Justin…

    Thank you! I ve been hooked on photography since the age of 15, I grew up at my grandparents house which absolutely always had the latest issue of Nat Geo, Vogue and Harpers Bazar sitting on the lounge table. Before photography I used to draw and paint whenever I finished playing the guitar so the visual arts have always been a big part of my existence. The reason I had been wondering about putting my camera down was simply because I’m not gelling with my new Panasonic GX1, very good camera but there’s just something about it that stops me from seeing properly. Also I’ve realized I need a viewfinder to take photos and I’m incapable of taking anything worth looking at with the damn screen. So after 3 months of fighting and banging my head against the wall I decided to pull out my Canon 1Ds II and suddenly all my frustration just evaporated. I bought it in 2004 so it’s eight years old but from ISO 50 up to ISO 200 it can still kick the lastest cameras in the butt image wise. It’s heavy, huge and extremely expensive but it doesn’t get in the way I’m not thinking about it when I take photos it turns invisible and all I see before my eyes is my subject.

  • Imants…

    I wish I could be so at ease as you are at everything. But photography usualy keeps me close to happiness, keeps me occupied and out mischief. In my case it’s a drug, a compulsive urge.

  • Paul I just don’t see photography as an end game………….

  • Gordon you just are a total dick if you used your brain you will reseal that it refers to giving up photography. I never realized you were such a dumb fuck.

  • should be “you will realise” …………….Doesn’t look like Paul had problem with it

  • Imants…

    Yes with your work it’s just a tool just like a scalpel to a surgeon. In my case the whole act of going out, searching and taking photos is big part of the fun although never as satisfying as the end picture. What I’ve never suffered much from, is the friggin’ gear syndrome so many suffer from…probably because at an early age I had enough money buy a good camera…

  • That is the problem with some cameras the GX1 is in that class neither here nor there and designed as such unfortunately………… works fine if treated like the GF1 with a 20mm lens.

    There are scalpels and there are ergonomically exquisite scalpels, the right tools help.

  • I am satisfied with what I do photographically as I stick with my intent.

  • Gordon, although I recognize you are a fine person, I can’t say I agree with you about apps and processes such as Instagram and Hipstamatic. Whenever I see those fake polaroid type photos, my first thought is to ask why anyone would want to instacrap all over such a nice pic. Instacrap and “image that works” are pretty much mutually exclusive as far as I can tell.

    Paul, yes, I agree you probably obsess over gear too much, though it’s your business and whatever gets you through the night is all right, at least as far as I’m concerned. For me though, part of the great enjoyment of photography is figuring out how to recognize and overcome a camera’s limitations. Good article in this month’s PDN about a small town photographer doing great work with a cheap camera phone. Makes that point. Of course for paid work I think it’s wise to get the most possible detail at the best possible exposure and worry about the look in the darkroom, though I’m not always that cowardly.

    Me, I’ve been floundering lately, turning into a beach bum, enjoying the see breeze, developing a bunker mentality in response to my inability to walk around like I used to.

  • MW…

    Yes I probably obsess too much over gear, especially when my 1ds II isn’t with me taking photos. Interesting because it’s more a personal limitation on my behalf than the cameras themselves. I found this out today as my wife and I stopped at a lovely outdoor cafe and had a drink. I don’t usually drink alcohol except for one miserly can of beer shared with my wife on Saturday nights, so when I was on my second glass of beer at the cafe I was obviously under alcohol’s influence. Suddenly the GX1 became a fun camera as I joked about taking photos of everything around me as my loyal Canon sat quietly on the table. So as usual is just a matter of letting go…

    BTW do you like William Eggleston’s work? Your work reminds me a lot of his stuff and that’s bloody cool as far as I’m concerned. Be patient that injury of your’s will finally heal or at least the pain will become something of a minor bother.

  • Oh and instagram… I just find it so much easier to post my camera images on Instgram compared to my blog page. The app is made for photography unlike a WordPress blog which caters to everything and does everything in a mediocre style. But yes it’s funny I’m using an app which is kind of hated by many photographers to show my stuff.

  • “You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.”
    -Ray Bradbury
    Change it to photography and it’s equally apt.

  • Paul, your links didn’t look like the instacrap I’m thinking of, which would be the fake polaroid/toy camera light leak type stuff. Maybe I’ve confused it with hipstamatic?

    I like Eggleston but don’t see much similarity outside of some of his shots of superficially boring midwestern type woods. Could say the same thing about Christenberry and his superficially boring midwestern storefronts.Through in some superficially boring meth people and you’ve practically got my Ruruality project.

    You may be onto something with the beer, though you might want to consider Dr. Gonzo’s advice for journalistic productivity and hunt up some wild turkey.

  • mw
    “why anyone would want to instacrap all over such a nice pic”

    C’mon, why would you deliberately shoot a blurry picture instead of a sharp one, a black and white over a colour one, use shallow depth of field when you could have it all in focus, shoot polaroid when you could shoot film, etc etc etc. DAH “instacraps” all over the photos in his twitter feed, no-one asks “how much is David and how much is Instagram?” Who cares. They’re just amazing images.

    Sorry about your loss of mobility, I can relate totally. In some ways it opens a new window. Patricia Lay-Dorsay is still doing amazing stuff despite her lack of mobility. It can be an opportunity to look inward.

  • I think you guys are missing the point. Instagram is a distribution channel, not an image filter. Here’s Stanmeyer on why it’s valuable:


  • MW – I missed something somewhere. What are you facing now?

  • “how much is David and how much is Instagram?” Who cares. They’re just amazing images.” ………..For viewers and the star struck as you are not a drama.

    For photographers struggling with getting their photographs right and conceptually strong it can be a real dilemma as the aesthetics of the “look” can dominate ones creativity.

  • “you just are a total dick… I never realized you were such a dumb fuck.”

    Imants – you do nothing to advance your argument by resorting to such cheap and immature insults.

    I say this as one who greatly admires your work. You have a unique vision and you express it magnificently, but you also have a need to gratuitously and snidely put others down. There is no call for it and you do not build yourself up, enhance your own status or improve upon your work when you do so.

  • Paul, vis-a-vis the GX1: it $200 or something more, but get the viewfinder. It helps.

  • it apostrophe s, thereby denoting the contraction it is and not it or its. Something I actually do know but once again I hit the submit button without proofreading what I just wrote. And yes, not proofreading is a stupid thing for me to do.

  • Frostfrog I don’t see you making the same plea to Gordon and his comment which I just responded to in the same he used

  • should be ………same colorful language he used
    The GX1 viewfinder ain’t too foul

  • Imants – It is true Gordon used “colorful language” that he could have avoided but he did not hurl similar epithets at you. “Who gives a fuck?” is a lot different than calling someone a “total dick” and “a dumb fuck.”

    The two are not equivalent at all.

  • Frostfrog he quoted me and then stated stupid fuck etc so it is directed at me . So the dumb fuck can go fornicate with a funnel web spider for all I care.

  • Imants – You can certainly make a legitimate argument for taking offense at his words, “stupid comments” and “what the fuck” but his use of these phrases still do not strike the kind of personal epithet in your words. You are right in that he could surely have chosen his words better and I may have been wrong to overlook them when I called you out, yet calling someone a “total dick” and “stupid fuck” is still a very different thing.

    I don’t think I can change your perception though and it was foolish of me to wade into this argument. I will bow out of it. Disagreement and debate is good, but I just hate to see this forum degenerate to this level of non-discussion.

  • Frostfrog it was directed to me so I responded in the same tone. It seems to me you accept his tirade well so be it join him in the funnel web spider mating game

  • 95% everything but Imants ……. 2% Imants http://www.etrouko.com/timegiver.html shit there even is a instagram of my imac screen thrown in

  • Imants, what is the other 3%?

    Whatever, thank you for the link – just about everytime you post an etrouko link, I go take a look and always I am deeply impressed, perhaps even awestruck. One of these days, I hope to click that “buy” button and send my $150. Right now, I’m just buried in medical debt. Give me time and I will.

    Well, I’ve got to bow out of this and all other discussion. In about 12 hours, I’ve got to leave here to catch my flight north and I am both excited, scared, and a bit lonesome for the warmth of my house, family and cats, even before I leave them all. After three months of slow, up-and-down recuperation that has left me with a new, giant, hernia in the middle of tummy that the doctor plans to sew up in a new operation come February, I feel weak and fragile. But I still bet I come up with some polar bears, whales, an Iñupiaq Eskimo kid with a model airplane and maybe Shell, out in the Arctic Ocean, turning the future who knows what direction.

    I want to invite everybody to follow along on my blog, but I have this fear I won’t be able to post much, due to slow internet coupled with the fact that my blog upload program has a tendency to just completely shut down when faced with slow internet. But anyone who wants can check now and then.

    I have many things to do before I go and it would be good to get a few hours sleep, so this is it for me on Burn for awhile.

    Farewell. Have fun. Debate hard. Shoot!

    I’m gone.

  • Death at Guantánamo Bay

    Adnan Farhan Abdul Latif, a Yemeni citizen and one of the first detainees sent to Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, in January 2002, died there earlier this month. There is no official autopsy report yet, but in his decade in prison he had gone on hunger strikes and made several suicide attempts.


    ( worst thing is when Authorities won’t even let a wrongly accused man take his own life.. The ultimate form of escape… but hey the Reps do the same to women trying to convince them that in case of Rape a woman’s body – with help from Hesus – will abort the unwanted fetus )
    Crazy shit and it’s 2013… almost

  • Frostfrog, have a great trip, it sounds amazing, can’t wait to see what you get up to. Take it easy, it’s the only body you have.

  • DAVID,

    Just saw your Rio photos on the NG website, and then the October issue of NGM arrived and I saw the printed hard copy article… you may well feel closer to and more enthusiastic about (based on a true story), but the photos that NG published are stunning, and the layout of the article in particular is among the best that you and they have ever done, living up to, if not surpassing, the high standards you have set in NGM articles in the past. Whoever did the picture editing (I assume you had a hand) and layout did a stunning job, and the printed article is far more impressive than the singles up on the NG website. I can understand if you feel that you have done this kind of thing many times before and need to move beyond it in your personal work, but I at least still deeply appreciate that in your partnership with NatGeo you can and are still producing things like this. Really, really great group of photos here.

  • Panos…

    Call me boring or square but I believe a Leica M camera with video and live video is gaudy and I dare say rather vulgar. Talk about premeditated and cold-blooded bad taste…

  • A bit like going to purchase a Rolls Royce and inquiring how many miles it does to the gallon…

  • Paul don’t hit the messenger ;)
    But I still prefer the 5100 for video…
    I don’t even know the price of that new M!?
    Anyone knows the possible price?

  • Truth is that all car makers ( sorry, CAMERA makers )
    pretty much hit that limit of excellence that honestly we don’t need any more pixels..
    Nikon sells 25mp for $800 now, in two years it’ll be $50..
    Cameras exceeded their limits now.. They are ALL really that good,
    Technology went so far that left the artist naked!
    Nowadays we have no excuse for great photos/videos/art visuals etc..
    All cameras are great all laptops are awesome.. No excuses..
    Where’s the LOBSTERS? We got the golden forks and porcelain plates!
    Where’s the LOBSTERS? Pescado por favor?

  • Paul, I agree with you about having and eye-level viewfinder… I just don’t feel as comfortable with composing/shooting with a screen at arms-length. Just not intuitive for me. Like you, even though it’s big and a bot heavy, nothing I have feels as good as the D200 that Kurt gifted me.

    I also agree with you in some respect about the M – I would rather have the best tool for the job that having to make do with a Swiss Army knife all the time. That be said, at whatever price the Leica M command – the video feature will be nice bonus (especially if one can afford only the one system).


    thank you…the Rio story was my baby from the beginning at NatGeo…my idea and official accepted proposal…the way i often work…..for sure i was pleased with the layout…NatGeo photogs are in general always involved with the stories they in effect produced all the way…the visual story development is that of the photographer oftentimes in collaboration with one of the picture editors…in my case here with Susan Welchman and David Whitmore who take great care…so, i have always been heavily involved with layouts and this one was no exception…

    final approval is of course that of Chris Johns, Editor. Yet Chris and the other staff listen to photographers. After all they were the only ones to actually have been “on the scene”..remember Chris IS a photographer (see Burn interview).I always tell young photographers the smartest strategic move they can make is to get really really educated in every part of the process of story development….it is the only way you will ever “get your way”, to be respected as an equal by any editor..

    Yes, (based on a true story) is a greater achievement for me personally and in my most immediate peer group in Magnum, yet i know many will prefer the NatGeo version. Cool. i like it too….i really have enjoyed a magazine career…now time to move to my own next level, yet i will never forsake the past and my colleagues and friends..for sure it was the respect i got from the NatGeo crowd for (based on a true story) that certainly got them fired up to do as very best they could with their own medium…i am proud of both versions….

    i think however, my greatest pleasure will come from the upcoming newspaper version…to be distributed for free in the favelas of Rio…..

    cheers, david

  • ALL

    i think by tomorrow or the next day, we will have a new page…my old Road Trips will come back…mostly to cross the U.S…to take you on i hope an educational trip….but i might just keep the page..and even start it before the trip….lots going on for me outside of Burn, and i just don’t want to have my stuff on the front page of Burn….so i need an outlet but it will be separate….

    hey by the way, BurnBooks got nominated for a Lucie Award for Best Book Publisher of the Year for (based on a true story)…we are in good company…other nominees are Aperture, Steidl and Abrams….ceremony in Hollywood in Oct….a rise in the stature of BurnBooks is potentially great for anyone here with a book in their heart….anyway, stay tuned…

    cheers, david

  • geezuuuuuuuuuuus…..
    thats all i can say!

    good OL’ ROAD TRIPS back?????????????
    Hollywood it is… Hollywood it is then… back home it starts!

  • DAVID,

    Congratulations for being nominated! I’ll keep fingers crossed! I hope you win. can’t wait :)))))

  • Panos,

    I’m afraid old Road Trips can’t back, but I am sure the new one will be also great!

  • Congratulations, David – I hope you win!

  • You’re afraid that you’re afraid that we can’t bring back the past and I’m afraid you’re right regardless fears you or I fear… Im afraid its Hard to live a fearless life without fears:)
    Big smile Marcin:)Valid fear;)

  • “my biggest fear is my own set of fears”
    New self made proverb;)


    all good things have a time limit…normal and desired….the old Road Trips is the old Road Trips…cannot come back as you say….yet seemed like the logical title to have for upcoming trip….the thing is i end up doing so much on instagram, FB, etc and none of it comes to Burn which is pretty crazy, so setting up another page here or going to a Tumblr page seems logical…we can see how it goes…we can always change whatever we want…just as long as you are around!!! always always nice to hear from you..any new work for Burn??

    cheers, david

  • CONGRATS!!! on the Lucie nomination!!

  • As Road Trips is gone for good, why call the new thing by the old name? DAH Cross America Express? The Continental Trek? The Harvey Limited? American Anabasis? Pilgrim’s Progress? The D. A. Harvey Traveling Photographic Exposition and Road Show? Think of something, and don’t forget to name the van you’re crossing the country in. Don Quixote didn’t go wandering about looking for knightly adventure on some nameless nag; he went wandering about on Rocinante.

  • If you don’t win, then Lucie got some splainin’ to do…

  • “American Anabasis” sounds perfect right Cyrus ;)?
    Or “DAH and The Band” ?
    Or “DAH and The BAD SEEDS” :))


    good point…or, hmmm is it? for sure it is a point!!

    will stick with Road Trips…i always think of myself going on a road trip…and who cares if it is the same road trips title? the very nature of road trips is that you will find something new…

    hey can you come into the city for this Bubble Lounge bit? sure lots of Democrats, but other than that you should be fine….

    you would be most welcomed Akaky

    cheers, david

  • Road trips is the perfect name.
    but… well… DAH and the bad seeds is also proper :))))

    David are you avaiable on this weekend for a skype chat?

  • Sorry, Mr Harvey, but the Bubble Lounge is not possible. Very few things are on a day I have to work.

  • and, of course, my coming down to the city would infringe on Audrey and Laura’s bragging rights. Can’t have any of that here, can we? ;-)

  • Currently catching up on comments, I am full days at Photokina this week.
    (based on a true story) nominated? Wow, this is great news!
    This book is good stuff, and I think it’ll win!

  • @ DAH:

    Congrats for the Lucie nomination and the issue of NatGeo. Pictures are terrific! Waiting for the postman with the magazine in October in my mailbox :-).

    Being a NatGeo photographer, when you “delivered” the story and the bunch of images, you can decided the cover or is up to them to do the final-final edit?

    There are strong ones, like the one in the beach at night with the girl jumping into the ocean in the left side of the image or the lady carrying a grocery bag going thru military guys.

    Thanks, Patricio, an “e-cheerleader” of the American-going west Road Trip story.

  • David (and Rio crew), I’ve been looking over the new Nat Geo and the online photos as well. Great work. What I like most about this story, and your storytelling in general, is the range; the way you usually include the rich, the poor, and key scenes from in between to communicate a sense of place. I think I see a similar dynamic in your composition and color. You have close shots, medium shots and far away shots, primary colors, complimentary colors, always compelling colors that work well to carry the viewer from what shot to the next with pleasant anticipation and heightened attention rather than the leaden anticipation of more of the same we get while reading so many photo essays.

    I’ve experienced a lot of your teaching, both live and in print, but have never heard you discuss that mixing it up (social-economically, compositionally, color) part of your approach. On many occasions I’ve seen you say you don’t feel it’s necessary to have establishing shots or to cover many bases, but I can’t help noting that in your own work you always do. I know part of that is editorial requirement. A Nat Geo reader, for example, expects an aerial shot of Christ the redeemer in any story about Rio so one must provide. And any work for Nat Geo is to some extent a collaboration. But it seems to me that mixing it up on every level comes natural to you, that you and Nat Geo are a great editorial fit, not that you are submitting to any kind of editorial diktat. Typically, I think the top magazines are set in their ways for good reason. The approach works. Great work pushes its boundaries, takes it in new directions, and wild experimental pieces can work on occasion, but the basic building blocks remain irrevocably the same.

    Beyond Nat Geo, I think the Rio project is great in the way it pushes the possibilities for still photography far beyond the limits of paper magazines and typical internet slideshows. The closer look provided beyond the paywall and even through the normal flow of burn served to enhance interest in seeing more rather than being any kind of overkill. And I like that it provided a variety of price points for entry. One could get a lot for free, $2 for the paywall was next to nothing, the magazine could be had for $4 -$6, and the book is a more premium work of art. Unfortunately, none of those methods is my preferred way of viewing photos. I wish you all (top photographers) would sell your work in such a way that all the best images from a project could be viewed in an appropriately hi-res slideshow on a good monitor. I guess the worry is that anyone could then make a decent print, but there must be some way around the problem.

    Anyway, congrats again, to you and everybody involved. Right now it’s kind of iffy whether or not I’ll be able to make it to the Bubble Lounge. How late will it go?

  • MW

    hey Michael..not sure how late it will go…i mean it is a monday night, so i cannot imagine too too late, but then again, who knows for sure?? i do hope you will make it….doesn’t the e-book approach what you mean? or an iPad slide show?


    i will make the first post on the new/old Road Trips today…just to see how the tech side works..instagrams etc will go there…videos etc..being set up for the cross country trip but i might just keep it …not sure….

    cheers, david

  • cmon, take a break, follow me at the ZOO everyone… check the prisoners..
    Sentence : life in prison
    Crime : none whatsoever…:(
    click below:

  • i didnt add any music…play your own ;)

  • doesn’t the e-book approach what you mean? or an iPad slide show?

    Not really, though I suppose there is, or will be, some software that can extract images from an IPad slideshow. No, for me it’s just a question of bigger is better and higher resolution better still and I like looping slideshows. Viewing still photography that way, I find themes and meaning that I would never see otherwise. This often happens when my attention drifts. I like the IPad a lot for showing photos, especially to potential subjects, and to potential publishers as well. It doesn’t do much for me as a consumption vehicle though. Too small.

    Don’t worry about it though, I’ve never met anyone who has expressed similar preferences. As far as I can tell, I’m alone in this.

  • DANNY WILSON AWARD for emerging or early career photographers:

    Deadline: November 5th 2012


  • To ALL:

    I’m devastated today.. My cousin Helen , lived in Toronto just died in front of her two kids ( 2 and 4 year old)… She felt dizzy this morning , called ambulance ,BUT… died /collapsed in front of her kids right behind front door.. Paramedics couldn’t get in.. MENINGITIS … Only 34 years old.. I’m a mess today
    (Thank you for giving me privacy)
    Hugs to all… Love your family and don’t take anything for granted..
    peace and health to all of you!
    Plz take care your health
    I’m temporarily “out”

  • Here’s an image I did from a photo call last night. I don’t usually link to that kind of work here on burn, but thought you all might find this one interesting.

  • a civilian-mass audience

    PEACE bro…may the Spirits be with US…All of US…Upstairs,Downstairs…!

    Enjoy the journey…MY BURNIANS and keep shooting…

    running like BOBBY

  • Love and condolences Panos – and to you too, wonderful Civi.

  • MW – very strange – I like it.






  • panos skoulidas
    October 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm




  • Imants/John , now check a real artist here:



    (Again big thanks to Thomas Bregulla for keeping me updated:)

  • Have to toot my own horn a bit. Selections from my Fight Night project and an interview are currently up on the NYT Lens Blog. http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/taking-shots-in-the-ring

    Floating a little bit right now.

  • Imants/John , now check a real artist here:………don’t get what you are yapping on about, who was discrediting others work?

  • Imants :) we all moved on…it gets boring now dwelling..repeating samo samo etc…nothing new to add anyways…
    plz check and enjoy NEW Donna Ferrato story/interview (not ignoring you as you can see, just got advised -and i agree with John on this- to hold my horses- and im following advice )…very simple..

  • big CONGRATULATIONS TO BRIAN FRANK for being published on NYTimes

    bravo BRIAN !!!!!!!!!!!!
    well deserved!!!!!!!!!!!

  • One for you frostfrog

    In a fit of nostalgia having had my 65th birthday last week, I’ve been digging through old negs and contact sheets. I took this photo in 1975 of photographer Nina Raginsky with her cat Dodo in Victoria BC. I no longer have a print of it, and can’t believe I was able to find the negative. Dodo was a big cranky tom cat.


  • Congrats Brian. That’s great work. You have earned the recognition.



  • Gordon, I tried to take a look but this Internet connection I am on is run by the North Slope Borough School District and they block many sites, including, it seems, phase.

  • Brian – Big congratulations! Powerful stuff and I am glad to see it get this recognition.

  • Don’t know who we is don’t know from what maybe you were posting to yourself………….

  • Thanks Frostfrog. I’m not done with it yet. Still gathering steam for a book proposal push to go out by next week, while to iron is hot.

  • maybe you were posting to yourself………….
    correct….dont i always do that?

  • samo samo…speaking of samo, great artist here:


  • This undated photo is provided by Sotheby’s which they claim shows an invisible ink signature. Sotheby’s says it has discovered that Jean-Michel Basquiat secretly signed one of his paintings in invisible ink.


  • DAH and the bad seeds is also proper :))))

    MARCIN ;) you nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Brian Frank…


  • Gordon…

    A little late but happy birthday and lovely picture. Love the light!

  • Thanks Paul, Panos. I shot this in 1975 in Victoria BC. (120 Ektacolor Pro typ S) I’m amazed at how well it scanned with my little $160 Epson V500.

    The subject is Nina Rajinsky, not well know outside of Canada. http://www.gallery.ca/en/see/collections/artist_work.php?iartistid=4527

    I spent almost every day with her for time. I used to hang out with her, and develop her film and make contact sheets for her. She was very intense, very talented, very fascinating, and incredibly beautiful.

  • Nina Raginsky is also featured in Aperture 088 with Gilles Peress. Several in-expensive copies on Amazon if you live in the US.

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    I am late BUT I am here…

    Thank you FROSTY…for the support!

    and where is my birthday cake GORDON???:) tell MARTHA I will be coming over…ROAD TRIP is about to

    LOVE YOU ALLLLLLL…I am “fighting” in Grecolandia…

  • http://instagr.am/p/QjCcT6Brca/

    WE WON
    WE WON
    WE WON
    WE WON

  • a civilian-mass audience


    THANK U ALL…I forget names…it’s morning here in grecolandia and I need my coffee…

    LOVE …and vision!!! together we can do miracles!

  • a civilian-mass audience


    wine and beer on MR.HARVEY tonight…I will bring a chicken…


  • a civilian-mass audience

    BRAVOOO…to ALLL…!!!


  • Way to go, Burn team!!!!! Well deserved!!!!

  • WOW! Congrats BURN!!!!!

  • http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1957876924/shadows-of-the-gullah

    PLEASE ALL , support our fellow Burnian’s Project on kick starter
    ( click link above and help
    Pete finish his project )
    Big hug to ALL from sexy San Francisco

  • Thanks for the mention Panos! This is an important story.

    Even if people are not in a position to donate, please click the LIKE button and spread the word through social media.

    Also to note: When the print exhibit is framed in 2014, it will be made available to anyone that wants to display it free of charge, except for shipping and insurance. We (myself and leaders in the Gullah/Geechee community) will ask that a donation bucket be set up at the exhibit so that patrons can contribute to either the Gullah/Geechee Angel Network and/or the Gullah/Geechee Sea Island Coalition. These entities are non-profit, 501(c)3 and grassroots organization respectively.

    Thanks all!

  • Thanks to those of the Burnians who have donated and/or spread the word through social media.

    Some of the Gullah/Geechee organizations are about to make mention of the project and set up links. Leaders in the community, whom I have known for years, are excited that I am trying to complete this project.

    Even if you cannot afford to make a pledge, please take the time to go to the Kickstarter campaign page and check it out. Simply sharing the page on Facebook or mentioning it on Twitter will go a long way toward promoting the project.

    Social sharing buttons are on the campaign page under the slideshow.


    Thank you in advance for any support you are able to provide!

    DAH if you see this post and have a minute, please drop me an email. I have a question.

  • PETE

    so much is going on i honestly cannot keep up…so i am behind in comments here since i am mostly over on my Road Trips page….trying to survive!! but i will get involved in your efforts….so make sure i get another notice from you on this…i need reminders, as you well know!!!

  • Thanks David. No problem and I appreciate your involvement.

    I will prod your later. The fundraising deadline on Kickstarter is November 24th and as you know the program on Kickstarter is an all or nothing proposition.

    Be save on that Road Trip!

  • A big shout out to Sam; “Postcards” is on fire!!!!!!! “Australian Book of the Year & Book of the Year”

    Well deserved!!!


  • SAM!!

    Congratulations! I always knew it was a special book :)

  • Hello all. Three years since my first experiment in still image video was published on Burn, I decided once again to try how do pictures and music blend together. This work was done in Sweden couple of months ago. I hope you like it…

    “Härjedalen” —



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