this is just a guess, but i am imagining that most of the readers here do not have children…at least not small children requiring lots of care or certainly not new babies…we do discusss so many topics involving our work and our respective careers, but i do not think we have spoken much about the effect of family or, more importantly perhaps, marriage and the decision to have or not to have children….i do often hear discussions among photographers, both women and men, who surmize that marriage/family/children could somehow alter or stop the pursuit of a career in photography…particularly if travel is involved….
Chris Anderson, conflict photographer extraordinairre, playfully holds aloft 6 week old Atlas, as his bride Marion, Newsweek magazine editor, looks on at breakfast yesterday morning in Tuscany…obviously Chris and Marion both have careers that require lots and lots of attention and yet little Atlas needs his fare share of their time as well…
there are certainly many examples of men and women in our craft who have successful marriages and raise emotionally healthy children, but there are also many stories of exactly the opposite…i personally do not subscribe to the often repeated theory that photographers in particular are particularly susceptible to failed marriages etc., but surely it takes a special combo to make it all "work"….i did manage , with the sustained help of my now ex-wife, to take my sons on so so many assignments around the world….but, i was not working in conflict zones and i was also not jumping from one two day assignment to another…i had long periods of time in one place…
Alessandra Sanguinetti (below) , also with Magnum and author of "On the Sixth Day" lives happily in New York with her photographer husband Martin and their one and a half year old Catalina….they seem to me to be "living happily ever after", but i am sure there must be times of compromise between her career and his….
both photographers are being included in my new family work and i started shooting Chris and Marion long before Atlas was born…i plan to photograph Alessandra and Martin in the coming year..(no, these are digi photos and not the REAL pictures for this project, but i love snapshots just like anyone else…)
i am curious how you feel about family and your career…..will you "wait" until your professional life is established before you raise a family , or will you just go ahead and figure out how it all blends later?
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/08/08/world/200808_GEORGIA_SLIDESHOW_index.html
Ultimately, again I am depressed by Russia’s reaction…but, I am also gravely saddened by Georgian reaction too and the inability to Georgia and Russia to reconcile this with the South Ossetians….utltimately it is a combination of hegemony (russia, governmentally , needs to control all that she sees as parts of her) and relationship to land (georgian land) and power (the land is econcomically strategic and important for both russia and georgia)….
in the end, it just crushes the heart….both government’s spin is, as always, depressing, and cannot begin to articulate the suffering that all the civilians are enduring, the georgians, the russians, and the other ethnicities thate live in this tiny and remarkably people piece of land….
depressed
b
Joni
Many of this “ex-soviet repulics” was independent coutries many centuries. I could agree with that there is just “difficult” ethnic situation if I don’t know how russia see everything around. russia have only one rule “you are with us or against us”. After five centuries of wars their goverment don’t know how to stop treat small countries as a Ownership or property. I don’t understand why geaorgia start shoot to ossietia autonomy, but I know that georgia could have no problems with separatist if russia not sending them weapon or prompt to fight.
The same “problem” russia have with chechenya or ukraine, lithuania, or Estonia. In this countries lives many of russians citizens but this countries could exist only beacuse their are closest to eu than georgia and chechenya are.
We as a nation just love russia nation, but we will never understand why russian govermant just have to be “World-power agressor”. We have very bad relations with russia mostly because russian govermant always try to treat poland as a servant or enemy because we say “good bye” in 89.
I apologize for this politycal commnent and like I said I love russian nation…
but my heart just crying because it proves that we live in middleages still. where strobger take everything.
this is sad day…
@marcin: yes, many of them have been independent countries before the ussr or before russia, I’m not arguing on that for sure.
PANOS and DAVID
Yes we have a young Koudelka there, a friend, Olga, David you know her, you met her in Oslo. I was a little bit worried for her she was there to work on a project since one month, and already moved to the war zone but I just received an email that everything is Ok.
ERICA
you always have to pursue your best dream, whatever it is, also if I think you are strong enough to reach more than one!
It easy for me to say that.. I don’t have children… :)
MARCIN
about your question in the last post on the scanner if you buy by ebay from U.S. to an european country you have to pay taxes. You can arrange without, loosing the Europen warranty. But be careful because for having a present (and it was half a present!) from N.Y now I have a SIGMA DP1 broken after two weeks and serious problem in reparing or having one running back… :(
Joni,
Marcin,
Bob, Marina…
Thank you for the info..
Unfortunately yes.. It is a complicated
situation.. It is ridiculus ( on my part )
to take places.. but I couldn’t help it..
But what a coincidence..
Olympics/peace/ disrespect…war..
Oh my…
Peace
Laura,
Thank you..
OLGA..
Shoot shoot shoot shoot
the last politycal comment,
Some time ago I read in polish newspaper interview with china’s oppozitionist about suffering of china nation, who said that he feels sad for suffering of Dalai Lama but for him tibet is terythory of china because in tibet is so many empty places and chine need free places for their people.
For me this is synonim of politycal amnesia of our whole world because we all want to talk about worldwide freedom and peace, about world’s antiwar society, but this is only smoke nothing real, because mostly there are only business, anger and small bloody human nature. There always will some free space needed and there always will be some hundreds years old stuff unfinished.
I am angry for georgia’s president and sad when I see russia.
There is many conflicts around the world and it prove only that even here in poland in france in geramany or japan there are people who wnat hang people on trees and cut their bodys on parts for fun with furia in eyes. They need only freedom, free space like in serbia, somalia, darfur, middle east, cambodia ect ect…
even so wonded nation like jews disgrace themself as a agressor.
I’ve seen this wall…
But maybe it sould be like that?
yes, probably it should be!
Is’nt it?
Laura
Thanks for info. I will probably ask someone from my friends who will go to us to buy me this scanner. But this will be at the end of year with good winds. Now I want buy some more films and shooting shooting shooting…
scanner must wait for better times.
peace for all
Russia:
I think it all has to do with Russia showing the lean years are over: “we” are back, and meaner than ever, if needed.
Ominous: the excuse for invading is the same Hitler used for invading Chekoslovakia. Protecting one’s blood/nationals.
The 2 biggest empires of the last century have populations electing bullies and war-mongers as supremo. Just reaping what we sow.
China is going to start looking like the peace dove very soon (save a few “details”). Funny world….
Basically, I want to have babies, but the next thing is the fear about the ability to raise and educate the children.
With the commitment for being a photo journalist, it would be a choice for not being rich, it’s a choice for being rich with lessons. I haven’t seen a rich photo journalist in my country, Indonesia. The value of a photo journalist is not much, and with the development of digital photography, it’s become less. Some of the photographers have unhealthy competition with each others, and the value of photographer in front of the community decreased since most of us behave like gunmen pointing their gun ignoring the feelings of the subject. The subject of photo would only be an object. And therefore, the photo journalist are not really well paid, because of the competition and the decreasing values.
The inflation grows and grows every time. How should I feed a baby with a monthly wage of $180 (wage for a photographer in a local newspaper)? And later to send them to a school?
The second thing is: could I be a good father when I’m always away when my children need me?
Maybe other photographers from Indonesia have another point of view…just correct me if I’m wrong.
and thanks to David and the other members of this forum for sharing their thoughts.
regards,
suryo
PS: I have still no children…
david,
great post. i think this is a topic that could go on and on for some time with much insight from many people. lots of people have their own views on it and many have different “relationship” status… i myself have always believed that you should find someone who lets you be you.
look at rebecca and alex webb. they have it… ed kashi and his wife have it as well… ed’s wife is said to be his secret weapon and rebecca edits most of alex’s work with him. its hard to find someone lie this. a team… a powerhouse … someone that supports you no matter what and wants what you want just as bad… but this is always hard to find.
when children come into play then its different… i remember christopher morris speaking in new york and getting very emotional over shooting wars with his children still at home… i was very moved by this because chris was making a very open decision to stop photographing wars and take more time to be with his family as he felt it was more important to him that he be home.
its interesting as well how this can change and or benefit work in some way… being home and photographing different things can help you grow in new directions… new styles… things you never thought or saw before…
but i am young… so what do i know…
Marcin–
Can you explain what you meant in this statement: “even so wonded nation like jews disgrace themself as a agressor”
sl
Mike B, you know a lot. Having grown children with their own kids has enlightened me on the subject of relationships with offspring. And how your work fits into the equation. Photography came into my life late, after my children were grown, but I worked hard when they were young.
In retrospect would they have been better off if I had stayed home and played house and daddy went off to work every day? No. Because I would have been so bored I would have probably opened up my own personal opium den. Your work is as much a part of you as your family. The trick is to find a balance; and it isn’t by one person in the relationship devoting their whole life to the pursuit of the other’s dream.
It is a tightrope act and we come into this world ill equipped to perform. Children are so important, as are parents. In the family is where ethics and cultures of nations are built.
When families recognize the joy and fulfillment of working as a cohesive unit they prosper. When too much emphasis is put on one individual, such as a dad who is always gone due to his work, then the family suffers–regardless of the worthiness of what keeps his away.
This is true of the larger family, nations and their governments. The irony of China’s display in the opening ceremonies is evidence of the breakdown of a society and makes me wonder about the personal lives of China’s citizens–how they find a balance with family with such a burden on their shoulders.
Lee
Spencer
Wounded nation. Victim has changed in aggressor, too fast to easy…
Yes difficult ethnic area, but out of border of undertsanding. Closed circle…
ok. too many politycal comments.
Time to disappear.
cheers
lee,
thanks for your post. i know what i know i guess… and yes the work is as much a part of me as my family is. i am only 22 so i do not have any real expirence with relationships… at least i dont think so… not enough to be giving advice… so i can only give my thoughts on the subject. however i have seen allot and from seeing i have learned allot… what to do… not to do… if that makes sense… so i try to make the best decisions that i can with what i have.
as for china… i think allot more is going on that we do not know about there… i was reading a newsweek article that said we (the united states) are over 2 trillion dollars in debt to china for funding for the war… i think allot is going to happen in the next while… and russia just makes me depressed…
by the way… i think we met at a workshop with david in mexico… san miguel de allende… i hope i spelled that right… i was the youngest one there… i think i was 18 at the time…
LAURA, PANOS and I answered this question [of marriage + kids] emphatically when it popped up in a previous post several months ago. Rather than repeating sentiments previously (+ passionately!) shared, I will second ERICA’s response, as I am sailing in the exact same boat and am not sure what to do either. Not that an opportunity has presented itself (as I feel that the majority of the people I meet can’t wrap their head around what I’m shooting for, literally and figuratively), but I am looking forward to having a partner (and little partnerettes) in crime. With the right person, I believe the answers will become obvious. :))))))))))))
ANNA
yes I remember that. We also thought it was an interesting topic for a post. And that there were different answers from men or women. But if I tell that I generalize too much. There are different situation. is difficult to grow up children if you work.. if you’re alone, if you in general don’t earn too much as Suryo correctly said, if your family, parents etc.. are far from, …if you’re not enough.. committed :), if your healt is not going well, if .. …. but I can think about at least a couple of friends in all that situation that are wonderful mamma and papà anyway!
I decided not to have, for a lot of reason and I’m peaceful about that.
I also said that is difficult to go on with a relationship.
But difficult is not impossible.
Have a nice saturday evening!
being Natural, as Jack London would put it.
I have a 15 year old daughter. its not been easy, but seems easier than some relationships I’ve been in.
I was pretty fortunate in that I could work around my job and school and caring for my daughter, 15 years ago rent was considerably less and my over head was easy to manage, now on the other hand things are more expensive and I think it would be tough being a single parent in this economy.
hey at least we are not subjected to forced abortions and illegal children like in some countries.
anyone watching the olympics?
worbetangell,
you are more than right. in some countries it is a much much differnt situation. i think we need to celebrate that fact that we are more than lucky to be able to share ideas and thoughts freely amoung eachother and as well have families with out the worry of war or injustice… i think it is fair to say that we have won the lottery in a way… to be living were we are living and not having to worry about life or death…
David,
Once again you have raised a topic that is very relevant to many young photographers, and perhaps a few that are more mid career, such as myself – my 41st birthday is just a few weeks away.
I have been a working photographer for 18 years and my work has taken me around the world. Five months ago my partner Diana gave birth to our first, and likely only, daughter Molly. She is a happy, healthy, robust child – for which we are most grateful – and she has injected a new energy into my work.
My work does not take me to conflict zones, and my travels can vary in length from a few days to several weeks so we shall see how that plays out – since Molly’s birth I have only been away for a week or two at a time. I will say that it is our intention, whenever possible to travel together to the places I will be working, and to share the experiences – especially when my projects involve cultural documentary work, which as she gets older, I hope will give her an education that extends well beyond the classroom.
In the five months since Molly was born, and including documenting the week leading up to her birth, and her birth, I have made well over 1000 photographs of her. These images have pushed my way of seeing further and the results are translating into my professional work with exciting results.
Currently I am working on a project photographing in First Nations communities around British Columbia, and next week I will be back photographing in the maternity ward – as well as the ER and Trauma units at my local hospital… in both cases my vision for these projects has evolved as a direct result of having Molly in my life.
Perhaps I am fortunate that I have already had 18 years to establish a career without having to consider the needs of a baby or a child, but there is no question for me, that all though it means more work, having Molly at this point in my career is a blessing.
A short multimedia Molly’s Story is available for viewing on my web site.
QG
Mike B, I do remember you. I will get the photos out from then and find you again.
At first I thought you were the kid that did the work on the skateboarders but that was in Santa Fe. What was your subject in Mexico?
Lee
Mike B,
Forgot there were no subjects really. It was photo shoots they took us to like the bull fighter training ranch…
Lee
WROBERT
I’m an Olympic junkie. I was a gymnast growing up + at UCLA and have played my share of beach volleyball since (though I’ve been off the sand for the past year nursing a shoulder injury)… so I am glued to the TV when those two sports come on. Go Kerry Walsh! Kerry is seated to win another gold in beach vb and is one of the nicest + most humble people I’ve ever known. I love listening to the athletes’ stories + their ways of overcoming the challenges they’ve encountered.
Will you come out and shoot with Panos and me one of these days?? It would be nice to meet you.
LAURA
Yes, interesting to read the posts in response to this [baby] thread — the replies from the guys and girls are very different. Guys are concerned with being away too much/too long. Girls are concerned with being sidetracked completely from the work. It’ll be especially tricky for me, as I have a heart for the developing world, which is where I have been working to spend more time. I have come to realize that I am in control of so so much of my life, while at the same time, I am in control of nothing. Such a strange dichotomy. If the RIGHT opportunity presents itself (a guy who is interested in sharing these experiences with me/a family), I’m confident I’ll know it when I see it… Otherwise, I dig what I am doing!
… Yikes, I cringed after writing the last sentence. It WOULD be much sweeter sharing these experiences with someone who enjoys being there as much as I do!!! I think I write what I write as a way of dealing with what I don’t have, even though it scares the beejeebers out of me to consider juggling both.
DAVID B.
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LOVE IT.
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for those of you working with traditional b&w methods
a while back someone wrote about the difference between men and women (fathers vs. mothers) as to the responsibilities, or rather, the different perceptions/attitudes toward this question….im not sure, in this day and age, that that actually applies, for for the families that still cling to older ideas of family…marina and i share equally in the responsibility of the raising of our son and more than that share equally in the sacrifice of photography: in other words, all the times we want to shoot, or travel, or develop or print or buy film, whatever, that gets back-burnered because of family or money or things attendant to the raising of a child…though i make more $$ (and this is depressingly small amount by n.american big-city standards) it is only because we chose as a family to make certain decisions…my salary as a teacher (with the hope of photographic/writing augmentation) would be a primary income while marina’s income (from her job and photography) another addition, but ultimately there is no division of responsibility (materially or otherwise), and photography as often had to take a back seat…and so too income….
the fact is that both of us are fortunate in that we see both our practice as parts of the wholeness of our family, seldom pushing one or the other to the fore of center stage…
mike’s anecdote of Morris decision is an important and salient one for both of us too…both of us have changed what and where we shoot because of family obligations and family decisions…at first this was a difficulty both of us struggled with and later, one simply acknowledges and (hopefully) grows to understand that the rhyme of one’s life is the same musical skeleton that defines all the living notes of it, the everyday shit and the artistic shit…most of the struggle we’ve endured has to do with material questions, particularly as to how our son deals with this living in a city and a culture that values and promotes material accumulation, promotes values as defined by material and societal success (neither or which marina or i have nor crave), struggle with his feelings of inclusion amid friends and peers who all live him homes while he lives in a small 2 bedroom apartment, struggle with the fact that not everyone goes on family trips to disney world or can afford to go to the cineplex everweek…fortunately, we seemed to have been blessed, as for the most part Dima has peeled away most of the material worries he had as a young boy (the desire to have cool/hot expensive sneakers or to live in a cool house or not ot have parents who budget and struggle over groceries, etc)……as we’ve simplified our life and focused more each other, on the simple expressions of living as a family, his fears (mostly) seem to have lessened (though he still wants a house ;))) )….
when i shoot something, i still use film (as does Marina) and i must make a calculated decision about what i can afford as both a photographer (to buy, to complete) and as a husband and a father (budget)…sometimes on my bad days it aggrieves but mostly i feel fortune that i must accept and shoot within the limitations i have as a person…Bones of time, in total, is only 12 rolls of film….the story on Immigrant Students for David’s EPF last year was only 2 rolls…from this kind of austerity, including the austerity of time when i can shoot, married with my own sense of “how” to photograph has, i hope, just made me more creative with time and tools and availability….
much of the photographic world, like much of the western world (o god, please forgive me the upcoming gross generalization) swims in a n ocean of access……access to unlimited shoots (digital, innumerable frames), access to money for traveling, projects, jobs, workshops, festivals, time…access to things that much of the rest of the world doesn’t…in a stupid sense, i am happy to have to work under the major constrictions that define my and marina’s life….
in this sense, we are no different from the majority of people and how most people simply struggle from day to day to make ends meet and to countenance what and how it is they can live their lifes amid the silent shadows of distress and doubt….
one thing i have, the greatest fortune, is that, my world is as resplendent as the buildings of Sammarakind because of the presence of my wife and son…and that means more to me than any photograph or book i may produce…for that keeps, late at night when the world is asleep and wrecked, the wolves from the forrest at bay….
running
b
BOB – You should move to Darwin , I havent worn shoes for a fortnight!
I can’t recognise the old gender roles anymore ,in Jude and Mine or any of our Pals , everything is meshed , roles merge -still can’t breast feed tho and havent reached the expensive sneaker stage -Lucky to live in the tropics where we can live the dream of being barefoot forever.
I think often about the accessability factor , anyone can go out and take a proffessionally exposed and crafted photo representation of whats in front of them , sometimes the accessibility factor rel;some genius that may have been stymied by the learning of light , silver , chemical alchemy -sometimes it just produces shit!
But the key in the whole game is You and all your baggage , if you can turn all the rantings , , chinks and nicks into some sort of pphotographic output ,then you have a voice – And You My brother, do exactly that!
ELIZABETH, Your work is stunning! It is powerful and inspiring. (read thought provoking in an art sense) It is the trace and allegory work that I like the most.
In what part of the world are you?
Ciao
Michael
Ok, Bob. . . Koudelka has said that at times he had to shoot with stolen 35mm movie film. . . maybe it’s time to switch to digital?! A lot easier when there’s no scanning and spotting involved, ultimately a lot cheaper and quicker.
Also, Bob, I assume you have submitted writing samples to The New Yorker Magazine before?
i think the comments are coming around to a point which is more comforting, on balance, regarding work and children..
so.. if we’re going to lead by example and urge our children to live their dreams, lets live our dreams and feed them inspiration..
so.. some david bowie..
”We bought a lot of things to keep you warm and dry
And a funny old crib on which the paint won’t dry
I bought you a pair of shoes
A trumpet you can blow
And a book of rules
On what to say to people when they pick on you
‘Cause if you stay with us you’re gonna be pretty Kookie too
Will you stay in my Lovers’ Story
If you stay you won’t be sorry
‘Cause we believe in you
Soon you’ll grow so take a chance
With a couple of Kooks
Hung up on romancing
And if you ever have to go to school
Remember how they messed up this old fool
Don’t pick fights with the bullies or the cads
‘Cause I’m not much cop at punching
Other people’s Dads
And if the homework brings you down
Then we’ll throw it on the fire
And take the car downtown”
David,
I wpuldnt give up my family for a career. Maybe because I dont have a “career” but I think my family is the best thing that ever happened to me. And they are a good subject for photos anyway:)
Herve,
I cant agree with you on the snapshot thing. Or maybe on the snapshot aestehtic. I love it. I think that snapshots are easily photography as they are nothing if not honest. And some of the best stuff around is snapshots. I read Sobol did the whole Sabine project on a small point and shoot as snapshots. Billingham did his work on his family as snaps, cheap film, printing, even the typical snapshot “mistakes” Im trying to channel the snapshot look in what I do with my project. Including the mistakes associated with it (harsh flash, oof, etc)
Re:Russia
It makes me laugh and also cry when I hear Russians claim the role of peacekeeping. A country that has for centuries attacked its smaller neighbors, killed off millions of people, moved entire nations and subjugated others….I have no willingness to accept Russian claims of anything peaceful in their motives. The man running their country is a criminal, hardened KGB murderer. Russia never had peaceful intentions and never will.
As a photographers, we just need life around us.. if you are ready to take care of you, you can take care of everything.
I miss you, David.
cheers,
Paula Cinquetti
from SEAN GALLAGHER
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“…Dear All,
Re:Family
I think this is an issue that every photographer faces at different times in their lives and deals with in completely different ways. The trend seems to be that it is difficult to balance a (traveling) photography career and have a successful family life but then I have met and read about very successful photographers who juggle and balance everything. Personally, when I was 18, I thought by the time I was 28 I’d definitely be ready for kids, or even have them already, but now I’m 28, I’m thinking I’ll be ready when I’m about 38!
Re:Family/Life/Kids in China
Family in China has a completely different dynamic to that in the west. China’s one child policy has thrown many a social issue into the mix an hence family life is a little different. If you have any interest in the life of children, families, the school system etc please watch this wonderful program by the BBC on school elections in a Chinese school
Re:Olympics
Anna, I have to admit I am also an Olympic/Sport junkie and am glued to the television watching every random sport I can get a glimpse at. I just watched Holland win the women’s 4 x 100m freestyle relay final and found myself just being really happy for the Dutch. Random..but that’s why I love the Olympics.
If anyone is interested, I’m shooting around the Olympics, focusing on the fervor and excitement amongst the Chinese public whilst the games is going on. I’m updating it throughout the games and distributing it to my agencies. At the moment there are a few images in my archive but I’ll hopefully turn it into a small feature by the end. If you’d like to see it evolve, please keep an eye on it.
http://archive.gallagher-photo.com/gpgs.aspx?pgid=18009645&e=0&p=0
Best to everyone,
Sean…”
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lee,
sorry for the delay in reply… i have been working on a new project and its been quite time consuming… yes we did meet in mexico. i was photographing skateboarding at the time… but it then evolved into more “the life of” the skateboarders witch i liked more. the magazine did not.. so i moved away to cover more stories in a reportage style. but m mexico stuff is on my site.
how are you? mexico was all loose… and it was all open… we had organized shoots.
davin,
i think if bob ever switched to digital…. that would be much the same as larry towell switching to digital… the man is a film guy… or so i think… i could be wrong…
bob… tea or coffee this week? when you have time let me know.
paolo pellegrin’s synchronized diving mm piece
http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=722ca9cdaebaa0456ff761bd5b8b72dd31b1f8d7&WT.mc_id=VI-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M055-ROS-0808-PH&WT.mc_ev=click&mkt=VI-D-I-NYT-MOD-MOD-M055-ROS-0808-PH
Off topic for just a moment: does anyone know what’s going on with LS? I havent been able to log in for the past three or four days.
AKAKY,
you must click on “Click here to reset your password.” when passowrd will be changed you must use it as you password all the time. I don’t know why but when I want change my password it just not work, nothing happen. I am using now password wich been send to me.
This is not first time and not last I suppose.
peace
RAFAL
cant agree with you on the snapshot thing. Or maybe on the snapshot aestehtic.
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Rafal, you misread me. I was talking about what I feel around me, not my opinion,even asked: who loves their snapshost TOO… (meaning like me)
But I really meant snapshots, everyone’s snapshots, not snapshots books/essays, or used as an essaying technique, a concept or a better way to tell a story. this is fine there too, but a different topic, IMO.
One of the defining mark of the common man’s snaphot is that they are always single shots. You can take one after the other, same event, but they stay single shots, and people show them as single shots. This is also the same quality David brings to his blog snaps, BTW, and a perfect example of what i mean.
Also, to paraphrase David, If all it took was taking snapshots, we’d all be inducted into Magnum like Sobol (not all his shots are snaps, though, IMO).
something to look at on a rainy day…..
sean good to hear from you and panos thanks for posting this. its great to see it!
i was wondering how sean was doing while in china. must be busy there with the olympics… probably more cameras there than any were else right now.
panos… i have not talked to you since the festival… how are you?
sean i hope you are well man.
Mike B,
I am good. I remember you now. Spending a year (1/2 over already) recovering from a divorce and preparing to live part time on the mainland. Working on an essay that is very personal and waiting on my Mac tower to come back from the shop.
Other than that just hangin.
Lee
lee,
sorry to hear things have been a bit rough… but we all need to be shaken a bit i think… reminds us of what we have. i hope things get better for you. i am working on a personal project as well.
shooting lots of work as well. not much work here but i am getting more…. slowly… staying busy…
Mike B,
I’m good. Thanks.
Just looked at your work. I am having a disconnect between the young man I met and the work on the dead can dance. Chilled me. Compels me to look yet I shudder.
Lee
CHINA TODAY..
(in the meantime…. today : )
“…11 killed in China’s Xinjiang attacks
18 hours ago
BEIJING (AFP) — The death toll from bombings and the aftermath in China’s northwestern Xinjiang province on Sunday rose to eleven, with five injured, state media said.
Ten attackers and one security guard died in the attacks, which started when bombers drove a tricycle laden with explosives into the yard of a police station in the remote city of Kuqa, Xinhua news agency said.
Two police officers, two civilians and a security guard were also injured, Xinhua said.
Police said they were aware of 12 bombings in the city, according to Xinhua…”
GEORGIA in the OLYMPICS… TODAY…
“…The decision, which was announced following a meeting between the Georgian Olympic Committee and the IOC this morning, comes after bombing attacks by Russian jets following the invasion of South Ossetia, the breakaway region of Georgia.
IOC communications director Giselle Davies said: “I can confirm the decision of Georgia’s national Olympic committee, athletes and officials, supported by their government, that they will continue their participation at the Olympic Games here in Beijing…”
BACK IN HISTORY..
IN ANCIENT GREECE… IN OLYMPIA…
ALL COUNTRIES WOULD STOP “ANY WAR”… TO PARTICIPATE AND HONOR
“PEACE”… BECAUSE THAT WAS IT ( the olympic games ) ALL ABOUT…: “PEACE”…
motherfucking peace…
today.. in the year of 2008, we have to deal with a country ( mighty RUSSIA )
that
ATTACKS AND INVADES ( 1968-Prague style ) a small country…
as a “peacekeeping” operation !!??????
same shit, different day…..
Think about it… and Georgia resists…
still participating in the Olympics.. still believing… still hoping…
more people died in Georgia today… literally…
peace
Off topic..
god bless Bernie Mac…
have a nice travel
peace
Off topic 2
I feel that i’m missing my buddy ANTON…
hey ANTON,
i just poured a “SLOEBER ALE”…
just for you… ( and me )…
peace
and again…
pleaseeeeeeeeeee RUSSIA, please i love you… the most beautiful
people… please, please , please…
withdraw your TROOPS… stop bombing civilians …
south Ossetia is evacuated already…
please go back home…
f****g please !
go back home…
watch some olympics… watch some porn… get involved….
do something… but plaaaaeeeeeeese !!!!
stop the “massacre”…
do it for the “greek olympian spirit”….
please
ok:…
Vampires are up…
Rushing to Venice Beach !!!!!
peace and love to all of you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)))))))))))
Panos,
I have problems watching these games this year due to all the war going on. So many people with so many agendas with so many bombs and blood and guts. I don’t think they know the word please anymore. Or thank you. Or excuse me I’ve made a mistake. Or you first. Or that’s ok I think different that is all.
Maybe we all get a tattoo with peace as the subject…..
Lee