Comments on: Barbie Doll…. https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:15:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: panos skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124901 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:14:50 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124901 Speaking of Barbie Dolls…

POPE NO MORE inside Notre Dame a Paris…

http://www.kaltura.com/index.php/extwidget/openGraph/wid/0_eqwxhxr4

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By: a civilian-mass audience https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124898 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:04:34 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124898 ouzo time…

Can I sing now?

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124888 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:24:07 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124888 “No photograph ever was good, yet, of anybody–hunger and thirst and utter wretchedness overtake the outlaw who invented it! It transforms into desperadoes the meekest of men; depicts sinless innocence upon the pictured faces of ruffians; gives the wise man the stupid leer of a fool, and a fool an expression of more than earthly wisdom. If a man tries to look serious when he sits for his picture the photograph makes him look as solemn as an owl; if he smiles, the photograph smirks repulsively; if he tries to look pleasant, the photograph looks silly; if he makes the fatal mistake of attempting to seem pensive, the camera will surely write him down as an ass. The sun never looks through the photographic instrument that it does not print a lie. The piece of glass it prints it on is well named a “negative”–a contradiction–a misrepresentation–a falsehood. I speak feeling of this matter, because by turns the instrument has represented me to be a lunatic, a Soloman, a missionary, a burglar and an abject idiot, and I am neither.”
– Mark Twain, Letter to the Sacramento Daily Union, written July 1, 1866

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124842 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 04:06:30 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124842 Michal, no need to get upset. I was half joking, half offended by what you said about David. Sure, let’s move on.

But since we’re on the topic (and this is not directed at you, but at the larger audience, many of whom like quotes), I’ll share (steal) a few quotes from an article by Glenn Kenney about how artists should (not) respond to critics:

“An author places himself uncalled before the tribunal of criticism, and solicits fame at the hazard of disgrace.” — Samuel Johnson

“Some reviews give pain. This is regrettable, but no author has the right to whine. He was not obliged to be an author. He invited publicity, and he must take the publicity that comes along.” — E.M. Forster

“A person who publishes a book willfully appears before the populace with his pants down…If it is a good book nothing can hurt him. If it is a bad book, nothing can help him.” — Edna St. Vincent Millay

“Praise or blame has but a momentary effect on the man whose love of beauty in the abstract makes him a severe critic of his own works.” — John Keats

“Today it is the fantasy of celebrity, hardly the love of beauty, that seems to propel most aspirant writers—a term now all but equivalent to “novelists.” Thus, unfavorable notices of their work offend deeply because they seem to proclaim their ineptitude to a wide paying audience, and it’s a rare second- or third-rate writer who can resist whipping off a letter to the review journal protesting the response his work has occasioned. Such a letter I have called an A.B.M., or Author’s Big Mistake, since its effect is simply to reveal to an amused audience how deeply the author’s feelings have been lacerated by the criticism he himself has so sedulously solicited. If the bad review has made him look like a ninny, his letter of outrage makes him look like an ass. What, then, is the author’s appropriate recourse/ Silence. His appropriate action? Getting busy on the next book immediately, and resolving this time to be as little elated by public praise as downcast by public blame.” — Glenn Kenney

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By: Gordon Lafleur https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124841 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:54:05 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124841 Michal

You make Theatre photos to pay the bills, at the same time you love what you do and are good at it. Your “serious” stuff is something else.
I make portraits to pay the bills. my “serious” stuff is something else.

At the same time, what we do to pay the bills is serious stuff too. Your photographs are some of the most important photographs in the world to a limited audience (probably the theatre people). My portraits are the most important photographs in the world to my clients, they’d run out of their burning house with them.

I learned long ago to separate my art from my craft. What I practiced every day for the past 40 years is my craft. If some of what I’ve done transcends craft, and becomes art, then that would please me. But I have no illusions or expectations. I’m happy to have done something that is important to someone, gives them pleasure or comfort.

You’re good at what you do. I’m good at what I do. We make a difference. What more can we ask, or hope for?

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124838 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:08:33 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124838 I take this all back.

It’s absolutely IDIOTIC.

My dick is bigger than yours.

Why did I ever get caught up it this SHIT!!!???

We’re ALL EQUAL here. We all matter. We all try.

Fuck all this rivalry.

FUCK IT!!!

M.

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124836 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:00:40 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124836 Yeah, mw, I suck dogshit.

You? Show me your best, or shut the fuck up!

M.

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124833 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:44:16 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124833 Beat you? Okay. Perhaps I’m missing something, but I don’t see that your street work is telling us anything about the subjects. Far as I can see, it’s just about you showing you’re not afraid to put a camera in some old person’s wrinkled face. The great street photographers tell more interesting stories. And more often than not, their camera empathizes with the subjects rather than ridiculing them.

If you’re theater stuff is as uninteresting to you as you say, why should it be interesting to anyone else? Small wonder it got lost in the stacks.

Is that enough or shall I beat you some more?

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124832 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:16:33 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124832 Thanks Gordon,

I’ll ignore you mw, you don’t matter to me me cause you don’t add, you subtract.

I KNOW I make my best work on the street, always did.

Does NOT pay the bills, so I make theatre stuff for dental, medical, retirement reasons.

Still, think I’m the best at that.

Beat me!

M.

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124826 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 01:07:21 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124826 If you say so. I guess if I had dear friends like you I wouldn’t need angry guys hurling insults about their perception of my sex life at me on the internets.

Can’t say I liked the In Your Face project. Kinda thing that makes people hate photographers. Like the theater stuff, though.

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By: Gordon Lafleur https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124824 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:35:32 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124824 Michal, In Your Face is one of my all time favourites here.

The theatre pictures are fine, and interesting to see some famous faces. I did a bunch of theatre photography years ago. I remember getting great stuff, but it always seemed like shooting fish in a barrel. Great lighting, and subjects that pretended you didn’t exist.

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124817 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:40:12 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124817 Thanks Thomas!

I know. I’ll never get better than In Your Face.

Unless better phonecam toys come out, with the lens placed correctly, as it was on the eyemod…

http://www.640×480.net/about.html

M.

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By: Thomas Bregulla https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124816 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:35:02 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124816 Michal,
those pictures
http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/05/michal-daniel-in-your-face/
I found much stronger than your theatre pictures, and the “Personal Views – Czech” http://www.proofsheet.com/czech/ on your website, are also very strong.
Thanks for showing.

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124814 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:21:57 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124814 mw,

“Given what he wrote above, not sure why Michal Daniel would want to be published on burn.”

My garbage was already published on BuRN.

I much appreciate that.

“Seems when he has nothing but contempt for the magazine and its publisher.”

Dead wrong conclusion. If I had noting but contempt for the magazine and its publisher, I’d STFU!

In fact, I have nothing but respect for the magazine and its publisher.

We just sometimes disagree on the content.

Happens, among dear friends.

Best!

M.

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124808 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:14:39 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124808 Given what he wrote above, not sure why Michal Daniel would want to be published on burn. Seems when he has nothing but contempt for the magazine and its publisher.

On a completely different topic, after whining about not getting down to Coney Island to shoot landscape pictures immediately after the storm yesterday, I got up early today and took a walk around the island.

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By: Michal Daniel https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124779 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:23:52 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124779 DAH,

Here is the link:

http://www.proofsheet.com/burn/

And here is the required blahblah to go under them:

“Born in Prague, then Czechoslovakia. Left for the US in 1969. Served in the USAF and became photographer after seeing my first 4×5 negative come up in the developer, under a green safelite—military boot stepping on a flower. Corny, I know, but hey, instant love, to this day. Got my US citizenship and ran my own custom b&w photo lab in Minneapolis for two decades after that, while teaching fine b&w printing. Meanwhile, didn’t get rich inventing or marketing the original M-Grip for M Leica cameras, nor being the first and then exclusive US importer of FOMA film and paper products from the Czech Republic. Been a street life photographer since day one, and became a live entertainment photographer since Theatre de la Jeune Lune let me in, back in 1980.”

Best,

M.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124768 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:05:17 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124768 the iphone probably replaced barbiee

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124767 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:58:10 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124767 Yea I managed to keep a lot of personal space around myself…… George got the system right not the technology. I am sure most don’t realise what mass control the telco carriers and smartphones producers have over their lives. You are only free if you pay us you depend on us ……….then again it probably doesn’t matter we managed to give back a lot of that hard fought freedom

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By: david alan harvey https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124757 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:05:14 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124757 IMANTS

i wish i could be as you in this respect…i panic if my iPhone is lost or i do not have it with me…i rarely make a phone call, but texting has got me as bad or worse as the teenagers i see with phones who are in groups as usual but all laughing and smiling at their phones!! Jules Verne and George Orwell had no idea of the future as it turns out!!

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By: david alan harvey https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2013/02/barbie-doll/#comment-124716 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:49:49 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=15254#comment-124716 MICHAL

i am trying to piece together what went wrong here….i think it is a simple matter of both of us going around the system we had set up for story production…you came straight to me, evidently at my request you say, and i am sure that is correct, and that was the downfall….it was my fault i did not tell you to just put the work in Submissions…when work is in submissions it cannot get misplaced…i must have sent it to one of my picture editors with a note, but then it just got lost…in other words if any one of us was not thinking Michal Daniel that morning, it could just keep getting forgotten because it was not in our face like all the other stories…and as i said, i go running off to France or something and then well you might see how things could slip….my European friends who would know where your pictures might be are sound asleep, and i have a shoot in the morning, but by tomorrow afternoon i should know something….in any case, all three picture editors tell me after mucho search that you were never officially in the submissions system….

just got a text from Diego now who confirms all i said, and claims i sent him a link, which he has , but again not in the system for some reason…

will let you know by email what is up after we take another look….sorry about the mixup….

cheers, david

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