Comments on: David Molina – Heroes https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:37:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-797032 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:41:43 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-797032 Yea you don’t warrant a reply

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By: Mike R https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796992 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:33:04 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796992 If you can’t take it Imants, don’t give it out – and you do give it out.

In the spirit of reconciliation, I once read about Noel Coward (almost certain it was he) being asked at Immigration on arriving in Australia, if he had a criminal record, to which he replied “I didn’t know it was still a requirement”.

Apologies if I upset you Imants.

Mike.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796921 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:57:01 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796921 You really are determined to show what a dickhead you are

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By: Mike R https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796904 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:33:51 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796904 U.K. born Imants? Were you deported?

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By: Frostfrog https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796883 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:31:55 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796883 Panos. This is true. I only now got to your video and a little more than half way through, Jimmy, my good black cat, jumped up on my computer, turned reset the video back to zero, on pause. When I started it up again, it was completely silent. Jimmy had turned the sound off, too. I will stay away from heroin, Panos, I promise you that. I have taken your message to heart and Jimmy has reinforced it.

As to the rest of the discussion, I did read the Weber piece and I have some thoughts on all parts of the discussion it has kicked off, but I’m having a little trouble making my brain do what I want it to do, am finding it harder than usual to craft a sentence, so in the name of peace, brotherly love, good will and sensitivity, I will keep those thoughts to myself, set the three app updates pending in my Adobe Creative Cloud to download and install, feed my fish, feed my cats, go to bed believing I will wake up in the morning and leave it at that.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796641 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 23:01:42 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796641 ps Mike R apology not accepted due to that dumb sensative soul quip of yours

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796632 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 22:45:22 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796632 I am UK born and jiminy cricket was pretty cool when I was a kid

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By: Akaky https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796592 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 21:08:25 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796592 Australia lost the ashes…I see…did they look under the couch for them? That’s where I look for things I lose. Seems to work most of the time, though I can’t really figure out how the stuff got under the couch in the first place.

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By: john gladdy https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796563 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:06:42 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796563 they didnt lose..they got stuffed!

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By: Mike R https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796524 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:04:05 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796524 Akaky, I thought Imants was just employing sophism – either that or he was pissed-off at Australia losing The Ashes.

Mike.

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By: Akaky https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796487 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 18:04:14 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796487 “How can an audience be the storyteller? Either you are one or the other.” Mike, you aren’t keeping up with your Fish and Foucault. The storyteller merely fulfills the author function; the reader creates the meaning of the text. Why readers would want to do this is beyond me, especially with the Yankees and the Mets both in first place, but stranger things have happened.

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By: Akaky https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796480 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 17:52:36 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796480 Kim, Panos is being silly on the Internet again.

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By: Mike R https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796439 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 16:25:06 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796439 MW, good post, it’s ironic that we now have the technology to produce great photojournalism – but no market to show it, for many.

Imant, apologies; I’ve just checked your previous posts and I can see that you are a sensitive soul, sorry for any offence.

Mike.

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796378 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 14:22:56 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796378 “However, there is no cheap substitute for good story-sense and, as such, good story sense gets overlooked.”

Where have we heard that before?

I thought it was an interesting article that made a lot of good points. The problem is that by taking the paying media out of it, we leave news photography to the wealthy, which is pretty much where it’s at anyway.

But I agree, a photographer who is an author rather than a bystander can tell a powerful story that goes far deeper than any technically excellent photo. More so if he or she works with a writer whose work serves as illumination for the photography rather than the other way around.

But that brings me back around to the recent conversation about the photo book industry. What use is it, other than for the photographer’s career, to sell 1000 – 3000 copies of something? There needs to be a way to get much more of a mass audience for these stories. Of course a quick search tells me the average novel only sells about 10,000 copies, but many do sell a lot more, and they also get passed around and checked out through libraries. I guess the more realistic answer is through video and documentaries which have large distribution networks that reach a lot of people. Part of the great appeal and beauty of still photography (and writing), however, is that any one person can do it on a very low budget. The simplest documentary has 20 or 30 people in the credits and the costs are daunting.

Regarding the diversion, the author criticized the Leica aesthetic, which I understood as that’s how I was raised in J-School and that’s what he shows in all those examples. It’s a stretch to consider that to be pimping Leica the company or product.

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By: panos skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796342 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:26:20 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796342

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By: panos skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796340 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:25:51 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796340 kids , stay away from heroin, otherwise you gonna end up like this fool in the following video… first the lunacy then the rehab ,then the priest…
one thing for sure… there are many different ways for one to approach this “overdone”, oversaturated “subject”…
i personally prefer to approach situations like this in a very “light” way… i cant beat the drama with more drama… i cant be the observer , i need to be the “subject” otherwise it all gets boring and pedantic..ok, time for an AA meeting :)

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796277 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 11:43:26 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796277 Did you read the article Imants or did you just scan for the word Leica?…….. Now that is a low and nasty baseless supposition shows how low you are willing to stoop.

How can an audience be the storyteller? Its called interaction storytelling is not static it grows, lives, transforms……

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By: Mike R https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796248 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 10:49:34 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796248 A thoughtful, intelligent article that must have taken a great deal of effort to produce – dismissed in a short sentence. Did you read the article Imants or did you just scan for the word Leica?

How can an audience be the storyteller? Either you are one or the other.

Mike.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796143 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 07:52:58 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796143 The audience/public are now actively involved as the storytellers, photographers are not the keepers of stories they are just part players within a larger voice.

Weber lost his creditability in the article when he played the Leica hand

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By: Mike R https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/david-molina-heroes/#comment-796126 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 07:31:51 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31213#comment-796126 Ross: that’s the one. It really does point out the difficulties of visual story-telling. What to include, what to leave out…

Thanks Ross.

Mike.

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