Comments on: Piotr Zbierski – Love Has to Be Reinvented https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:24:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: vicky slater https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-159316 Thu, 30 May 2013 20:17:43 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-159316 Beautifully dark and dream like.

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By: kathleen fonseca https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-153944 Mon, 20 May 2013 09:23:46 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-153944 GORDON

Getting hit over the head with dysfunction has been a guilty pleasure of mine for years. That’s why i am practically on intimate terms with the photographers i mentioned and others besides, like Larry Clark and the inimitable Arbus. But lately i want to do more of the work. Be seduced by the photo as opposed to having my eyeballs raped. Different kind of photography but i am crushing on Henry Wessell these days. Subtle-ty.

Ross, Civilian..hola to the night shift..Gracie too wherever she might be..and the perpetual lurkers Imants and Gladdy. And shape-shifting Panos fire-bombing us with videos and streaking back out like a rebel fighter..and DAH, our man in Jamaica..that Miriam portrait’s a killer.

night-all..

kat

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By: Frostfrog https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-153106 Sat, 18 May 2013 18:14:29 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-153106 Mike – Truly brainy work for the true egg head. So smart and witty it left laughing in a most intelligent way.

Why didn’t you contact me? I would have organized a nationwide fundraiser and we could have pulled in that $25.00! Now, whoever does win the EPF is going to be left feeling inadequate and very unsure of him/herself, wondering if s/he really deserves the award all, knowing how differently it might all have turned out if you had but made the time and come up with the $25.00.

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By: Paul https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-153072 Sat, 18 May 2013 16:52:18 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-153072 And one cannot begin to comprehend how utterly frustrating and distressing it can be to visually create a concept.

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By: Paul https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-153069 Sat, 18 May 2013 16:45:53 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-153069 Imants abolutely the toughest part in my experience is pinning down the concept. One thing is being pretty good at getting eyeball kicks and another is going out with an intent. controlling your inspiration keeping somehow to a basic visual narrative without being distracted by something else with nothing whatsoever to do with your initial idea and still find powerful images.

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By: Paul https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-153063 Sat, 18 May 2013 16:31:57 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-153063 BTW I’ve really enjoyed this essay. I’ve always loved this kind of dreamy and cryptic style imagery. Although I have doubts these images were conceived in essay form, I see more of a single shot style and later weaving a tale and finding an apt and stimulating statement. To create a visual chimera as enticing as this work you’ve really got to let go…

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By: Paul https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-153059 Sat, 18 May 2013 16:22:24 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-153059 Anyone is capable of creating a conceptually strong and completed work as long as they express something that’s absolutely personal. Nothing whatsoever to do with age. Sounds so easy! The ony thing is children and drunks are the only ones who consistently tell the truth.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152716 Fri, 17 May 2013 21:55:54 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152716 No the youth are quite capable of producing conceptually strong and completed work in particular when they produce work that relates to their world experiences.

The voice of youth that is so different to that of an adult, raw fresh no doubt somewhat confusing to adults but profound and visually rich.

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By: Carlo https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152657 Fri, 17 May 2013 18:03:17 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152657 MW,

Profound work no doubt. I will need to think hard about that one….don’t know where to begin….

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By: Carlo https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152654 Fri, 17 May 2013 17:57:16 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152654 Imants,

But that’s after you have found your “voice”
Until you do that which is a monumental thing it’s all fair game.
The way I understand what you are saying is in terms of style and authorship as DAH always mentions.
I recently read an interview with Alec Soth that speaks about what I am talking about.
He mentions:

“I was shooting 8×10 but I wasn’t able to afford large prints, so to finally see large prints, I thought, “Wow, OK, on the wall, this work is good.” Conceptually, though, there was something wrong with the project. I re-jiggered it so that it was along the Mississippi, which is kind of obvious and dumb but it made the work hold together in a different way. And then I did a trip along the Mississippi, and things were working, I knew the work was on another level. I’m not saying it’s perfect, there are many things wrong with it. But I just felt, “OK, I’ve broken through to something else.”

The rest is history…

DISCLAIMER:

I am not an expert on Soth ;-) or anything for that matter….

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By: david alan harvey https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152597 Fri, 17 May 2013 11:50:20 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152597 KATHLEEN FONSECA

nice thoughtful review…thanks

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By: Gordon Lafleur https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152495 Fri, 17 May 2013 05:43:40 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152495 Whoa, Kathleen, good stuff.
Actually, I don’t mind being hit over the head.

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By: Virgil DiBiase https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152445 Fri, 17 May 2013 02:15:52 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152445 Michael, you’re not thinking clearly.

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152439 Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:08 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152439 Ummm, sorry. I thought this was a different thread. Wouldn’t have posted that link under someone else’s essay on purpose.

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By: kathleen fonseca https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152437 Fri, 17 May 2013 02:03:11 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152437 Michael, i LOVE it! haha, i won´t give it away..it´s a must see..

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By: Virgil DiBiase https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152434 Fri, 17 May 2013 01:58:55 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152434 Michael, I fried my brain years ago….your essay is over my head.

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By: kathleen fonseca https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152427 Fri, 17 May 2013 01:46:05 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152427 I think this essay is hugely personal and psychological. There are those who will have difficulty with such a body of work. Who will choose not to delve and ponder the reason for the choice of this or that photo. Who will not care to decipherd the visual representations of the photographer´s mute message. An essay like this is an unfunny comic book in a foreign language, unfamiliar to us because it is so deeply woven into the heart and mind of the artist.

Some here, and many elsewhere prefer to be hit over the head with the shocking, scinitillatingly hideous worst of human behavior. Anders Peterson, Antoine DÁgata, Richard Billingham, Boris Mikhailov..all are examples of work that is difficult to look at but touch us in raw and primal ways. That keep us turning the pages, gaping, gawking and examining in minute detail lives often wholly unlike our own (or maybe even secretly much like our own).

This essay is more suggestive than hard-hitting. It asks us to please accept each photo as an object of desire, longing, apprehension, loss, piquant tenderness, etc. It could be comprised of five or forty-five images but it would essentially add up to the same thing. An invitation into the silent, moldy, shadowy memory bank of the artist. Some of the photos are more eloquent than others. The one that threatened to shatter the magic (for me) was #11.

Not all will have the patience or interest for such a prolonged visit into the mind and heart of another. I found it grand. But I have a deep capacity to perceive and appreciate the subtle messages of pain, madness, grief, joy. An excursión into the world of the thoroughly dysfunctional is often like an unbearably rich dessert. Feels great on the tongue but can leave me feeling uncomfortably full.

Best
Kathleen

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152397 Thu, 16 May 2013 23:43:20 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152397 Some interesting conversation here. Imants makes an excellent point about conceptual frameworks and how successful artists work mostly within them.

Of course I find the nature of photo essays fascinating. And I agree that most essays I see show little conceptual sense of narrative. I’ve nothing against non-linear storytelling, but it is typically not well-recieved by the general public. That makes sense. We are linear creatures for at least two thirds of our lives. The non-linear third of our lives are very personal. Practically no one outside of traditional psychoanalysts wants to hear other people’s dreams, and they are paid for it. Historically, Photography in any kind of essay format was used mostly as an illustration of a narrative. But I think non-linear narrative works in photography better than other arts, notably literature and film. “Based on a True Story” may be the best example of that. Certainly a very good one.

Coincidentally, my latest project is non-linear. I doubt many will like it. In addition to the non-linear narrative structure it’s much brainier than my usual fare. Kind of a think piece about how adults in small town America prepare the youth for the challenges they’ll face as adults. Pretty deep, huh? I should have submitted it for the EPF, but was a day late and $25 short. So wtf, I’ll just give it away. Here.

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By: david alan harvey https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152379 Thu, 16 May 2013 22:36:04 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152379 AKAKY JOHN GLADDY

we are in the process of making (based on a true story) an ebook…

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2013/05/piotr-zbierski-love-has-to-be-reinvented/#comment-152366 Thu, 16 May 2013 22:00:22 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14961#comment-152366 ps some ideas have to be reworked over and over again until they work this doesn’t mean that they are devoid of change and stale

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