Comments on: Miami…Calvin https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:15:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: Gordon Lafleur https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-118520 Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:23:21 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-118520 Now did you go and lighten this photo up?

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By: Thomas Bregulla https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-118098 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:59:37 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-118098 The updated TOS of Instagram sound softer, but actually to me seem having the same goals and consequences, but written in a way to hide the real message.

with this statement “Instead, you hereby grant to Instagram a non-exclusive, fully paid and royalty-free, transferable, sub-licensable, worldwide license to use the Content that you post on or through the Service”, they don’t need to own anything – they can do whatever they like, including giving others the right to show or print the pictures, without further permission asking. This is, however, the same license we give when signed into facebook.

the updated TOS are here http://instagram.com/about/legal/terms/updated/

As an alternative service, EyeEm seems to be a little fairer,
http://www.eyeem.com/terms
http://www.eyeem.com/privacy
most importantly, I see nowhere anything like sub-licensing. Please read yourself, maybe I overlooked it.

you can find me under http://www.eyeem.com/thomasbregulla

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By: Jim Powers https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117915 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:58:02 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117915 Paul, like the old drag racing question goes, “Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?”

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117914 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:54:56 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117914 ……..if you don’t want to embark down the open slather road photographers will have to start paying for posting on the social media sites, after all they are getting free advertising of their product. It has been free up to now but people are investing in these companies just as they do in solar energy companies banks etc, there has to be a return for their investment to keep those sites afloat. Advertising space will never bring in enough money.

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By: Paul https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117906 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:03:07 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117906 I’ve said it before and it’s probably not a viable idea, but snail mail and a group of online photographer friends sending each other once a month their best photo to each other is just another way. Boring probably compared to the instantaneous speed of Instagram but I bet it would be thoroughly more rewarding than a Jpeg.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117905 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 05:45:57 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117905 soon all on the net will be open slather

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117904 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 05:45:17 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117904 The world of communication is changing so is the value of images is no longer what it was in the past.

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By: mtomalty https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117902 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 05:42:22 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117902 “It’s no longer social media but social licensing…………Too much paranoia here and bizarre grief”

Hardly. Up until December 1 of this year, my principal stock agency has licensed over $50k for
unauthorized use of my archive images alone. I am one photographer of hundreds in the agency and they are one
agency of dozens.
This figure does not represent any punitive damages as their policy is to try to educate the
‘offenders’ and convert them into return clients.
This figure only represents actions against commercial uses of our images by ad agencies,
design firms,etc

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117892 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 03:16:47 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117892 I’m in total agreement with Imants on this one. If you show anything on the internet, anyone who comes across it has the right to use it however they want. If they can sell it, more power to them. And don’t forget that corporations are people too. If a big corporate person wants to take your work and sell it, they’re only exercising their God-given constitutional right. It’s the exact same thing as when we drive by a farmer’s field and decide to pack up all the produce and sell it at the nearest farmer’s market, or to Walmart, whicheverever pays the most. Or if we go into the Apple store and fill up our pockets with IPhones to sell on Craig’s list. Nobody complains about that kind of thing. What’s with all this property shit, anyway? Best to just lay back and think of the billionaires.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117890 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 03:04:58 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117890 chuckle

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By: Jim Powers https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117872 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:39:30 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117872 Instagram is crap. Users deserve what they get.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117868 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:10:57 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117868 advertising we all do it love it http://www.etrouko.com/artouko.html

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By: Thomas Bregulla https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117865 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:17:03 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117865 burn diary I would like to go for :)

here is the answer from instagram on their blog:
http://blog.instagram.com/post/38252135408/thank-you-and-were-listening

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By: Carlo https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117864 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:14:43 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117864 Paul,

Yes….BURN diary!

Eva,

Have you tried Starmatic?

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By: Carlo https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117862 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:12:29 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117862 Interesting article here:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/3780158/instagrams-new-terms-of-service-what-they-really-mean

They are “listening” ;-)))

http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/3781860/instagram-on-its-new-tos-its-not-our-intention-to-sell-your-photos

“Instagram has just responded to the public outcry over its changes to the company’s terms of service today, saying that the company is “listening,” and that “it’s not our intention to sell your photos” — to fix the problem, it will update its terms of service. ”

“Instagram users own their content.”

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By: eva https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117860 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:34:24 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117860 Starmatic an option? Instagram pics can be imported.. anybody finds something in their terms if use that kills this as an option?

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By: Paul https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117859 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:28:25 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117859 Well then with Instagram changing it’s rules, it’s time for Burn to bring out the long awaited Burn Diary.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117857 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:54:51 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117857 Remember not to post ideas on the net someone could use them for their own gain……..as for the photos the flow will not abate good bad indifferent important unimportant useful useless all get lost in the mix.
It’s no longer social media but social licensing…………Too much paranoia here and bizarre grief

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By: mtomalty https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117852 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:47:40 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117852 With those terms, I think you’d have to be an imbecile to continue to use the platform
if you are a working photographer.

The minefield that this type of clause facilitates is scary.

As an example, I go to a DAH exhibit featuring his work. I happily snap with my iPhone
and I Instagram the shit out of every pic I like and upload.

What then stops an unwise client of Instagram,etc to then license these DAH images for commercial
applications bypassing David and Magnum in the process. It’s no longer social media but social licensing.

Would it happen? Probably not. Could it happen? In the blink of an eye.

Free is never free.

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By: Jim Powers https://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/12/miami-calvin/#comment-117848 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:34:48 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=14132#comment-117848 Ah, link didn’t work

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/what-instagrams-new-terms-of-service-mean-for-you/

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