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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/10/we-were-just-having-our-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-114922</link>
		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 03:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MARK TOMALTY

laughed out loud at your comment

MARCIN

oh i understand you 100%....yet after traveling the world most of my life, and steeping in a wide variety of cultures i cannot help but not draw a hard line on many cultural differences....there are always good reasons why people believe what they do...well, at least reasons...most folks pick up a philosophy about something when they are children...rarely change after that on most cultural phenomena...some do, most don&#039;t....not making excuses for gun toting Americans with whom i disagree, but just know that i am unlikely to change their minds...or yours. 

hey i am just a hard core anti war hippie without hair....

peace, power to the people, david]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MARK TOMALTY</p>
<p>laughed out loud at your comment</p>
<p>MARCIN</p>
<p>oh i understand you 100%&#8230;.yet after traveling the world most of my life, and steeping in a wide variety of cultures i cannot help but not draw a hard line on many cultural differences&#8230;.there are always good reasons why people believe what they do&#8230;well, at least reasons&#8230;most folks pick up a philosophy about something when they are children&#8230;rarely change after that on most cultural phenomena&#8230;some do, most don&#8217;t&#8230;.not making excuses for gun toting Americans with whom i disagree, but just know that i am unlikely to change their minds&#8230;or yours. </p>
<p>hey i am just a hard core anti war hippie without hair&#8230;.</p>
<p>peace, power to the people, david</p>
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		<title>By: Frostfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frostfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gerhard,

On face value, I agree 100 percent - but when you get into legislating gun control laws, especially on the national level, then the boundaries are not always so clear cut. Nobody needs the kind of guns that have been used in the recent mass murders to go hunting and it seems like the law ought to be able to differentiate, but in practice I think it can be pretty tricky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerhard,</p>
<p>On face value, I agree 100 percent &#8211; but when you get into legislating gun control laws, especially on the national level, then the boundaries are not always so clear cut. Nobody needs the kind of guns that have been used in the recent mass murders to go hunting and it seems like the law ought to be able to differentiate, but in practice I think it can be pretty tricky.</p>
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		<title>By: Imants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Metaphorically Jim&#039;s captured what others have failed http://www.tcbhost.net/bangbang.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metaphorically Jim&#8217;s captured what others have failed <a href="http://www.tcbhost.net/bangbang.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.tcbhost.net/bangbang.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gerhard Clausing</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/10/we-were-just-having-our-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-114821</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerhard Clausing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frostfrog,

Hunting seems a legitimate and separate matter, to me, at least.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frostfrog,</p>
<p>Hunting seems a legitimate and separate matter, to me, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: michael kircher</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 19:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Akaky, thank you for making my point better than I could.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akaky, thank you for making my point better than I could.</p>
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		<title>By: Frostfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frostfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In so many parts of my state, people literally live by their guns. Hunting is not a sport, it is a way of life, done throughout the year and the source of as much as 80 percent of the protein put on the table - especially among the indigenous population.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In so many parts of my state, people literally live by their guns. Hunting is not a sport, it is a way of life, done throughout the year and the source of as much as 80 percent of the protein put on the table &#8211; especially among the indigenous population.</p>
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		<title>By: mtomalty</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/10/we-were-just-having-our-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-114813</link>
		<dc:creator>mtomalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should piss off many :)


http://kennethjarecke.typepad.com/mostly_true/2012/10/instagram-the-devil-and-you.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should piss off many :)</p>
<p><a href="http://kennethjarecke.typepad.com/mostly_true/2012/10/instagram-the-devil-and-you.html" rel="nofollow">http://kennethjarecke.typepad.com/mostly_true/2012/10/instagram-the-devil-and-you.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mtomalty</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtomalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, you&#039;re saying this portrait ISN&#039;T Jim  

I was so sure  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;re saying this portrait ISN&#8217;T Jim  </p>
<p>I was so sure  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Akaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sidney, it&#039;s a beautiful thing to contemplate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sidney, it&#8217;s a beautiful thing to contemplate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidney Atkins</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/10/we-were-just-having-our-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-114806</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AKAKY,

I love the inspiring image of you walking tall, sauntering down the sidewalk in your quiet little Hudson Valley town, and nonchalantly blowing away the smoke from your right hand index finger as the pavement stretching out behind you is littered with the bodies of &#039;would-be oppressors&#039;– your section supervisor, your brother-in-law, Democratic voters, and anybody who just might happen to support Big Government or FEMA– all collapsed in death-throe agony with sucking chest wounds. Bring up the volume on the &quot;Marlboro Man&quot; theme... That&#039;ll teach &#039;em!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKAKY,</p>
<p>I love the inspiring image of you walking tall, sauntering down the sidewalk in your quiet little Hudson Valley town, and nonchalantly blowing away the smoke from your right hand index finger as the pavement stretching out behind you is littered with the bodies of &#8216;would-be oppressors&#8217;– your section supervisor, your brother-in-law, Democratic voters, and anybody who just might happen to support Big Government or FEMA– all collapsed in death-throe agony with sucking chest wounds. Bring up the volume on the &#8220;Marlboro Man&#8221; theme&#8230; That&#8217;ll teach &#8216;em!</p>
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		<title>By: Akaky</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/10/we-were-just-having-our-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-114803</link>
		<dc:creator>Akaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You know what the fellow said – in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.&quot; Orson Welles, The Third Man.

And why is that? Because the Swiss are armed to the teeth. You can get away with warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed when you know that no one without their own army is going to stop you. On the other hand, if the people you want to terrify will respond to your attempts at terrifying them by putting a bullet in your gizzard then you will have to step more carefully in dealing with them, won&#039;t you? There&#039;s nothing like a sucking chest wound to remind a would-be oppressor that maybe they should have chosen another line of work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You know what the fellow said – in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.&#8221; Orson Welles, The Third Man.</p>
<p>And why is that? Because the Swiss are armed to the teeth. You can get away with warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed when you know that no one without their own army is going to stop you. On the other hand, if the people you want to terrify will respond to your attempts at terrifying them by putting a bullet in your gizzard then you will have to step more carefully in dealing with them, won&#8217;t you? There&#8217;s nothing like a sucking chest wound to remind a would-be oppressor that maybe they should have chosen another line of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerhard Clausing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerhard Clausing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me, them gun-totin&#039; fellers and gals haven&#039;t figured out that the here and now confronts us with problems much less tangible and way more serious than a herd of deer or the feds attacking your land. To name just a few:

1.  Emissions and global climate change
2.  Nuclear threat(s) and pollution
3.  Political deception and money influencing
4.  Religious extremism
5.  Racism and tribalism

Show me how toting guns can contribute to solving these MAJOR issues, and I will consider it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me, them gun-totin&#8217; fellers and gals haven&#8217;t figured out that the here and now confronts us with problems much less tangible and way more serious than a herd of deer or the feds attacking your land. To name just a few:</p>
<p>1.  Emissions and global climate change<br />
2.  Nuclear threat(s) and pollution<br />
3.  Political deception and money influencing<br />
4.  Religious extremism<br />
5.  Racism and tribalism</p>
<p>Show me how toting guns can contribute to solving these MAJOR issues, and I will consider it.</p>
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		<title>By: skiwaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>skiwaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This photo of Buck shows me that David out drew him. Buck didn&#039;t even get the gun out of the holster.
DAH weapon of choice... the camera.
Name change to QDH... Quick Draw Harvey rides again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This photo of Buck shows me that David out drew him. Buck didn&#8217;t even get the gun out of the holster.<br />
DAH weapon of choice&#8230; the camera.<br />
Name change to QDH&#8230; Quick Draw Harvey rides again.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;i vote for the party that is anti gun...&lt;/i&gt;

You vote Green? Glad to hear somebody does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i vote for the party that is anti gun&#8230;</i></p>
<p>You vote Green? Glad to hear somebody does.</p>
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		<title>By: michael kircher</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;&quot;But there is a principle there that is important to many.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

Not so much &quot;principle&quot; as it is deep insecurities and irrational fears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But there is a principle there that is important to many.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Not so much &#8220;principle&#8221; as it is deep insecurities and irrational fears.</p>
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		<title>By: jhonydh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jhonydh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cowboy... reminds me of my fav TV series when I was a kid, The Texan...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cowboy&#8230; reminds me of my fav TV series when I was a kid, The Texan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/road-trips/2012/10/we-were-just-having-our-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-114795</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcin, historically it stems from Americans not wanting to have endless wars like our European forefathers. The thought was that it was better for people to have guns (albeit through militias) than governments, hence no standing army. That, plus hunting was a necessity in a frontier society. It worked not well, but relatively okay through World War II, but now, alas, we have become our parents. .

As for these times, I think it&#039;s more to do with an ultra-right wing sociopathic arms industry spending massive amounts of money to scare people for profit and power. I, too, grew up hunting. My grandfather was an avid hunter, gun collector and NRA member. Of course that was back when the NRA was an organization for hunters, before it went all out fascist. I still go shooting on occasion. Last year I gave my son my old .22 and took him out to the country and taught him to shoot cans. It&#039;s a worthy tradition and hunting is mostly a good thing as anyone in a deer infested land can tell you. But the killer cowboy wannabees and semi-retarded cowards who probably make up 99 percent of those who actually get permits and carry pistols are a different matter altogether. One can protect one&#039;s home just fine with a shotgun or rifle. And even for home protection, for the great majority of those not involved in crime, owning guns is much more dangerous than not and carrying one is simply ridiculous. The odds of some stranger shooting an unarmed person is minimal outside a few small neighborhoods in our larger cities. It&#039;s far, far more likely the gun owner or his kid will use it to shoot himself. 

So as to what the American founders intended - non-intervention abroad and freedom to hunt at home - the arms industries have turned it into a lose-lose situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcin, historically it stems from Americans not wanting to have endless wars like our European forefathers. The thought was that it was better for people to have guns (albeit through militias) than governments, hence no standing army. That, plus hunting was a necessity in a frontier society. It worked not well, but relatively okay through World War II, but now, alas, we have become our parents. .</p>
<p>As for these times, I think it&#8217;s more to do with an ultra-right wing sociopathic arms industry spending massive amounts of money to scare people for profit and power. I, too, grew up hunting. My grandfather was an avid hunter, gun collector and NRA member. Of course that was back when the NRA was an organization for hunters, before it went all out fascist. I still go shooting on occasion. Last year I gave my son my old .22 and took him out to the country and taught him to shoot cans. It&#8217;s a worthy tradition and hunting is mostly a good thing as anyone in a deer infested land can tell you. But the killer cowboy wannabees and semi-retarded cowards who probably make up 99 percent of those who actually get permits and carry pistols are a different matter altogether. One can protect one&#8217;s home just fine with a shotgun or rifle. And even for home protection, for the great majority of those not involved in crime, owning guns is much more dangerous than not and carrying one is simply ridiculous. The odds of some stranger shooting an unarmed person is minimal outside a few small neighborhoods in our larger cities. It&#8217;s far, far more likely the gun owner or his kid will use it to shoot himself. </p>
<p>So as to what the American founders intended &#8211; non-intervention abroad and freedom to hunt at home &#8211; the arms industries have turned it into a lose-lose situation.</p>
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		<title>By: marcin luczkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JIM, DAVID,

I know and understand how and why and of course I don&#039;t generalizes and judge yet, many &quot;cultural things&quot; looks different from distance, from outside. It is like female circumcision in Africa, Islamic law against adultery, ect. It have nothing to do with respect to other attitudes and life style. Just critical observation. 

I hope that me and my lifestyle is also seen as critical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JIM, DAVID,</p>
<p>I know and understand how and why and of course I don&#8217;t generalizes and judge yet, many &#8220;cultural things&#8221; looks different from distance, from outside. It is like female circumcision in Africa, Islamic law against adultery, ect. It have nothing to do with respect to other attitudes and life style. Just critical observation. </p>
<p>I hope that me and my lifestyle is also seen as critical.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It we could absolutely trust the government to always have the best interests of its citizens at heart, then I might agree with you about that, David. But historically the first thing oppressive governments do is disarm their populace. 

Realistically, of course, the government still has far more firepower than the citizens, and would easily win any direct conflict with them. But there is a principle there that is important to many.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It we could absolutely trust the government to always have the best interests of its citizens at heart, then I might agree with you about that, David. But historically the first thing oppressive governments do is disarm their populace. </p>
<p>Realistically, of course, the government still has far more firepower than the citizens, and would easily win any direct conflict with them. But there is a principle there that is important to many.</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MARCIN

i am not a gun guy...and i vote for tough gun legislation...i vote for the party that is anti gun...however, please do not consider it an American &quot;fascination&quot; as if somehow we just love guns more than anyone else as some kind of twisted mentality ....guns are a piece of our history of independence and many,most likely like Jim Powers, consider it part of the basic rights of freedom of the country...for me the War of Independence was a long time ago...i don&#039;t see the British as the enemy...and yet i support the rights of those who disagree with me...ironically those rights gained by an armed citizenry...so it is complicated...and an interpretation of the Constitution....not my interpretation, yet half the country believes it..and most of them either believe in self defense, a protection against a potentially theoretically tyrannical government, and well mostly just to hunt deer..i see it differently, agree with you, yet it is helpful to look at the reasons why and how it is like it is..]]></description>
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<p>i am not a gun guy&#8230;and i vote for tough gun legislation&#8230;i vote for the party that is anti gun&#8230;however, please do not consider it an American &#8220;fascination&#8221; as if somehow we just love guns more than anyone else as some kind of twisted mentality &#8230;.guns are a piece of our history of independence and many,most likely like Jim Powers, consider it part of the basic rights of freedom of the country&#8230;for me the War of Independence was a long time ago&#8230;i don&#8217;t see the British as the enemy&#8230;and yet i support the rights of those who disagree with me&#8230;ironically those rights gained by an armed citizenry&#8230;so it is complicated&#8230;and an interpretation of the Constitution&#8230;.not my interpretation, yet half the country believes it..and most of them either believe in self defense, a protection against a potentially theoretically tyrannical government, and well mostly just to hunt deer..i see it differently, agree with you, yet it is helpful to look at the reasons why and how it is like it is..</p>
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