yuh, i got that..

hugs backatcha

kat-

Now what i think would be cool is you in a burka with nothing on underneath but a speedo. Even if you are post-menopause, it´s still a provocative visual ;)

my love to Hervette..

kat-

I was hoping Audrey would just get a chance to sneak by with that comment :-)

not flat lined….wouldn’t be here if that was the case….teasing about the name…i am a teaser if you have not figured that out already…

hugs, david

Oh my God, Audrey…. Courrageous, candid Audrey!!!! :-))))

or :-(((((( ?:

Don’t you know Katleen has forbidden us to think of Iran, or muslim religion seeing this image? ;-)

Bahhh, I am sure she’d say it’s a fine perception as long it’s another young talented woman photographer writing it… Ok, that’s what I want to be too then, an old talented woman photographer. All gain, no pain (post-menopause here!)

:-)))))))))))))))))

please, forgive me..tell your Ma i´m sorry..meant no disrespect :))

As to the other, i know, i know, it´s all a part of the very good person that you are and i have seen this from my first days here..i also know what Jim could contribute if he´s just shake off the gloom..and it is true that he likes some work published here a lot..and when he does, none of the rest of us knows quite what to do because the discussion dies right there. heh. That´s why i say Jim has so much power and could do so much here..could be so helpful and useful to Burn. JIM…please hear this! I don´t know if it´s a flat line or if there´s a little upward bleep now and then. i prefer to think it´s a bleep and not a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

ok..gotta go..

kat

i was writing my comment when you posted yours..i haven´t even read yours yet but wanted to quickly tell you that mine is not a response to your latest..

kat

Listen to what people are and have been saying. Please listen! This is not about you and Jim or me and Jim..i like Jim! Others do too!! We´re upset by the negatvitiy. It´s not about treating the work here with kid gloves, it´s about not trashing it into five easy pieces just because it doesn´t meet your photojournalistic expectations. ONE photo/essay published at Burn cannot possibly contain all of Jim´s hope for the future of Pj´s around the world. Maybe a ¨Best of Burn¨ could and i look forward to holding such a book in my hands. But one photo, one essay appearing on these ´pages´ cannot possibly sustain the burden of Jim´s wholly unrealistic and highly frustrated expectations. And it is unfair that his venom for what´s going on in the industry is taken out on Burn´s published work. It´s also unfair to the rest of us who come into a photo or essay viewing the unique expression of a photographer who is begging to be taken seriously. This photographer deserves to be received by open and very sharp minds. Their work does not deserve to be loved and adored just because DAH decided to publish it. And we equally do a huge disservice to the photographer by catering to their egos with sticky-sweet words. But it also needn´t be summarily trashed like a dirty diaper.

That´s all i have to say on this subject (cross my fingers)

best
kat-

good point….i agree…i guess i just keep thinking that there is always a way to get through to someone…..that is the “never say die” persistent mentality i get into when i am mentoring someone…

however, sometimes you just must realize that there is nothing you can do….like the doctor who finally realizes only by looking up at the flat line on the heart monitor that the patient has really really died!!!

ok, skip the word “young” as in the context of chronological age….sorry….actually , most of the books i have mentored into final publication in the last few years have been from “youngins” over 40….but, if you want me to work with you , you just gotta spell my name correctly (my mom insists)….even if “you do not know me for shit”..

peace, david

well spoken!!

kat-

¨find a young photographer you admire and bring this person to us…¨

young? they have to be young? *gulp*

JIM

¨Mike, if this weren’t DAH’s website, you would have never given it a second (or, likely, first look). Probably would have never heard of it¨

Maybe Mike wouldn´t have popped over here and stuck around but i didn´t know the name David Allan Harvey for shit. But i did know photo websites and blogs, from PSIG forward (anybody here at PSIG back in the day?) which were always all about the owner of the site and if you didn´t see eye-to-eye with him/them, your comment was summarily deleted..and for the most part they´re boring as hell, light´s on but nobody´s home kind of feeling..BURN hit me right away as active, dynamic, ON, forward thinking, sharp comments from people who say things other than ¨Nice tones¨, out of the blue surprises from Akaky, passionate discussion (ok, sometimes a little hotter than passionate), fabulous work that i don´t always like, sometimes cannot understand the decision to publish, but are 99% provocative and thought provoking. But mainly, i got the feeling that Burn is not just a place for hobbyists content to have a few strangers ooh-and-aahh their vacation snaps of doors and fresh fruit stands in exotic places. It´s a place where hardworking real photographers come to check out what´s new and to just hang, feeling not so all alone wherever they happen to be. And finally, i stayed because of DAH himself who´s wisdom and vision moves my heart.

PETE and DAH

I agree with you, Pete, and the word ¨chip´comes to mind. I think also that this discussion is going back to the same old thing and that´s Jim/DAH´s basic disagreement of what Burn is/should be. The fact is that DAH is an optomist working for change and Jim is a negative curmudgeon beating a dead horse. Far from being a healthy dynamic, it is a burden to the rest of us because as intelligent, thinking individuals, we jump into the fray and get dragged down the spiral of Jim´s negativity which i think suits Jim just fine because it keeps all the attention on him. And when it shifts away from him he tosses in a comment almost completely opposite his earlier comments (witness this very photograph) and we all follow like lemmings into the sea. I am upset by this negative trend and others are as well. Yet when i address that DAH comes in and posts almost beseechingly to Jim—-again. WTF?

grrr

kat-

We Poles have a sentence or a proverb:

If one preson tell you “you are horse”, tel him “you are idiot”
when second person tell you “you are horse”, hit him it the face.
When third person tell you “you are horse”, buy yourself a saddle.

I know you are right in many cases.
But sometimes maybe there is a reason why so many comments is against yours.
Especially about BURN.
I think BURN shouln’t be explained.
BURN is BURN.

what are brothers/friends/comrades-in-arms for ;))))….

my pleasure amigo, my pleasure…it was a delight…even an intense one, when i looked in my pockets and found 30 photog cards…egads, did i sign up for that? ;)))))….will write an Editorial this week on the Magnum Lectures & STudent presentations :))))….have it too you soonest….need some time to digest…

next time: it’ll be on the beach….we’re medicine wont be clouded by needs to talk to so many folk :)))

love,hugs young man.
running
bb

good idea…thanks for the wake up call!!! …..let me get another cup of coffee, get a fire built (cool today) and i am on the case….

gracias for your hospitality in Toronto..good times…

cheers, david

yes Jim, i know you care….i never thought you didn’t, never said you didn’t, and i am very aware of the work here that you do like…we do share many of the same concerns for the future as well….i think what we are attempting to do here is to take action and try try to do something about it…THAT is my only AGENDA…..we see some things differently and some things exactly the same…hence a healthy discussion…however, it seems we spend more time discussing the medium than we do the message….in any case, perhaps Pete is right…he is a hard working daily print newspaperman too and an online publisher…you two are in exactly the same world….

i care deeply about photography and its future just as much as do you, and i never aspired to be a “famous photographer” either…my only aspiration past and future is to do good work…period…so, we have clear common ground….imo what we are doing now IS the future….so please lend a hand…find a young photographer you admire and bring this person to us…tell me of a thread or discussion you would like to explore….roll up your sleeves and give us some real editorial input that can be put into practice NOW…..thanks….

cheers, david

:))))))…let’s get this ball rolling…and get these boys something new….they seem to be wallowing in boredom ;))))….it’s become even more tedious than one of my editorials….

let them Go Tell it to the Mountaintop ;))

even i cant believe a far aside this conversation has wing’d….

hugs
bb

David, I look at images in newspapers and magazines every day. I really do care about photography, David. It’s what I do every day. While I’ve never aspired to be a famous photographer, photography has been my life for 40 years. I don’t have an agenda. I just care deeply about photography and its future. We just see things differently.