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		<title>By: Readings: Tuesday 16 February 2010 GregorWeekly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Readings: Tuesday 16 February 2010 GregorWeekly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Photo: Mongolia Roundup, by MichaalLoyd Young via Burn Magazine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike
It was a personal project. I just hung out and stayed out of their way until they were cool with me shooting. I returned after the first day with photos for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike<br />
It was a personal project. I just hung out and stayed out of their way until they were cool with me shooting. I returned after the first day with photos for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, sorry for the delay, time travel. I shot the horseman in Mongolia last October. The essay: BLUES, BOOZE, &amp; BBQ is the essay I showed powerHouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, sorry for the delay, time travel. I shot the horseman in Mongolia last October. The essay: BLUES, BOOZE, &amp; BBQ is the essay I showed powerHouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am from the local camera club.  Peace and love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from the local camera club.  Peace and love.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panos, where are you?


Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panos, where are you?</p>
<p>Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wiese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wiese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After everything else that&#039;s gone above, this kind of comment is like my nightmare vision of a local camera club &#039;critique&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After everything else that&#8217;s gone above, this kind of comment is like my nightmare vision of a local camera club &#8216;critique&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidney Atkins</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/works-in-progress/2009/01/mongolia-by-michael-loyd-young/comment-page-1/#comment-27336</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After David kindly clarified his use of the word &#039;didactic&#039; in relation to photographs, I cannot resist the &#039;urge&#039; to wax didactically on the subject of &#039;urga&#039;... for that is the name of that long pole with a lasso-like noose on the end that the horsemen is using in the photograph (can&#039;t really see the noose, but it&#039;s there, I&#039;m sure). Urga was also the name of the Mongolian capital city before the Communist Revolution in 1921 led to a name change (the current official name Ulan Bator or Ulaan Baataar means &quot;Red Hero&quot; but locals sometimes still refer to it as Urga)... and &#039;Urga&#039; was the original name of a great film by Nikita Mikhalkov released in the West as &quot;Close to Eden&quot; in 1992... in which use of the urga figures prominently in not only the livelihood but also the romantic life of Mongols who are still living on the steppes in the traditional way. Didactic enough for one night...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After David kindly clarified his use of the word &#8216;didactic&#8217; in relation to photographs, I cannot resist the &#8216;urge&#8217; to wax didactically on the subject of &#8216;urga&#8217;&#8230; for that is the name of that long pole with a lasso-like noose on the end that the horsemen is using in the photograph (can&#8217;t really see the noose, but it&#8217;s there, I&#8217;m sure). Urga was also the name of the Mongolian capital city before the Communist Revolution in 1921 led to a name change (the current official name Ulan Bator or Ulaan Baataar means &#8220;Red Hero&#8221; but locals sometimes still refer to it as Urga)&#8230; and &#8216;Urga&#8217; was the original name of a great film by Nikita Mikhalkov released in the West as &#8220;Close to Eden&#8221; in 1992&#8230; in which use of the urga figures prominently in not only the livelihood but also the romantic life of Mongols who are still living on the steppes in the traditional way. Didactic enough for one night&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, 
Beautiful - the action, colors, light - this has it all.  This is an interesting thread.  I often wonder if I fall back on the crutch of the exotic.  I haven&#039;t been to Mongolia (yet) but have spent considerable time in Michael&#039;s land of the Buddha - the clear, crisp, high altitude light does provide a real leg up.  As does the fact that life is much more out in the world than here in the west.  

I&#039;d love to see this big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Beautiful &#8211; the action, colors, light &#8211; this has it all.  This is an interesting thread.  I often wonder if I fall back on the crutch of the exotic.  I haven&#8217;t been to Mongolia (yet) but have spent considerable time in Michael&#8217;s land of the Buddha &#8211; the clear, crisp, high altitude light does provide a real leg up.  As does the fact that life is much more out in the world than here in the west.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see this big.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was working on a personal project, Lands of the Great Budddha. Took a side trip to Mongolia since I had never been there. The cowboys had no problem with me hanging out with them. I just try to stay out of their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was working on a personal project, Lands of the Great Budddha. Took a side trip to Mongolia since I had never been there. The cowboys had no problem with me hanging out with them. I just try to stay out of their way.</p>
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		<title>By: unevolved neanderthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>unevolved neanderthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a beautiful picture. I could easily live with it on a wall for a while. It is what it is and i see no reason to question the intent of this sort of work, letting the picture itself be self-evident to that.
An appreciation of black cod in miso does not negate my love of sausage and mash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a beautiful picture. I could easily live with it on a wall for a while. It is what it is and i see no reason to question the intent of this sort of work, letting the picture itself be self-evident to that.<br />
An appreciation of black cod in miso does not negate my love of sausage and mash.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Lay-Dorsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia Lay-Dorsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic action shot that captures a moment when everything comes together--light, composition, focus, POV, movement, mood. Good eye &amp; quick shutter finger, Michael!

Patricia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic action shot that captures a moment when everything comes together&#8211;light, composition, focus, POV, movement, mood. Good eye &amp; quick shutter finger, Michael!</p>
<p>Patricia</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this image soft??</description>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Lassal. Interesting work but not to my taste I&#039;m afraid. It does capture the &quot;Limbo&quot; of Christmas very well though. Reminds me of the work of Martin Parr: probably the colour palette.

I really rate Trent&#039;s B&amp;W work.


Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Lassal. Interesting work but not to my taste I&#8217;m afraid. It does capture the &#8220;Limbo&#8221; of Christmas very well though. Reminds me of the work of Martin Parr: probably the colour palette.</p>
<p>I really rate Trent&#8217;s B&amp;W work.</p>
<p>Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: marcin luczkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is &quot;my kind of photography&quot; too.
Work perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is &#8220;my kind of photography&#8221; too.<br />
Work perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work. Perfect timing - I love that white horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work. Perfect timing &#8211; I love that white horse.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Espinosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Espinosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

A very nice moment for sure... This wild white horse creates some magic.  This is a region of the world I do not know and wish to travel some day.  Would love to have more shots with maybe some portraits of these men!

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>A very nice moment for sure&#8230; This wild white horse creates some magic.  This is a region of the world I do not know and wish to travel some day.  Would love to have more shots with maybe some portraits of these men!</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BEN...

good question....i see no reason why we cannot explore both..i mean, why not??  surely travel is not an indictment for anyone...travel usually leads to understanding and learning , at least to some degree, about another culture....this could/should lead to reading the history of the area traveled or the best local novels or writers, listening to the local music..just hearing the tales of these horsemen or drinking a cup of coffee with them and getting at least some sense of life different from your own...this would certainly seem to be at least helpful in world full of cultural, political and religious divisions where lack of understanding &quot;other worlds&quot; seems to be one of mankinds main problems...

at the same time, exploring ones own inner vision of the world in your own &quot;backyard&quot; can be  equally enlightening...why would the two be mutually exclusive or one better than the other??? one could say the traveler is someone from the &quot;affluent west&quot; and has no way of really identifying with the subjects he/she photographs, but one could also say the &quot;personal vision&quot; photographer is so self absorbed as to be unable to get outside of his/her own head....

surely, it depends on the person...how this person processes information..what this person does with the photographs...in what context the photographs are shown/published...it is pretty hard to generalize one way or the other....

frankly, i usually assume the best of intentions unless i see the worst...

and while i might see the photographs of Trent to be more personal (they were taken in his home), i am sure Trent would be pleased to be shooting horsemen in Mongolia without apology and i am sure also Mike will show you his family personal pictures and both men would be exploring first one way and then the other with equal aplomb. 

but Ben, you bring up good points....and we should go into it further in other posts...sorry, i cannot go more  right now because i must sleep and travel (home!) tomorrow...and i do not think i have been particularly articulate tonight (long long day) ...i hope you may at least get my drift!!

cheers, david</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BEN&#8230;</p>
<p>good question&#8230;.i see no reason why we cannot explore both..i mean, why not??  surely travel is not an indictment for anyone&#8230;travel usually leads to understanding and learning , at least to some degree, about another culture&#8230;.this could/should lead to reading the history of the area traveled or the best local novels or writers, listening to the local music..just hearing the tales of these horsemen or drinking a cup of coffee with them and getting at least some sense of life different from your own&#8230;this would certainly seem to be at least helpful in world full of cultural, political and religious divisions where lack of understanding &#8220;other worlds&#8221; seems to be one of mankinds main problems&#8230;</p>
<p>at the same time, exploring ones own inner vision of the world in your own &#8220;backyard&#8221; can be  equally enlightening&#8230;why would the two be mutually exclusive or one better than the other??? one could say the traveler is someone from the &#8220;affluent west&#8221; and has no way of really identifying with the subjects he/she photographs, but one could also say the &#8220;personal vision&#8221; photographer is so self absorbed as to be unable to get outside of his/her own head&#8230;.</p>
<p>surely, it depends on the person&#8230;how this person processes information..what this person does with the photographs&#8230;in what context the photographs are shown/published&#8230;it is pretty hard to generalize one way or the other&#8230;.</p>
<p>frankly, i usually assume the best of intentions unless i see the worst&#8230;</p>
<p>and while i might see the photographs of Trent to be more personal (they were taken in his home), i am sure Trent would be pleased to be shooting horsemen in Mongolia without apology and i am sure also Mike will show you his family personal pictures and both men would be exploring first one way and then the other with equal aplomb. </p>
<p>but Ben, you bring up good points&#8230;.and we should go into it further in other posts&#8230;sorry, i cannot go more  right now because i must sleep and travel (home!) tomorrow&#8230;and i do not think i have been particularly articulate tonight (long long day) &#8230;i hope you may at least get my drift!!</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SIDNEY...

i cannot remember when i last used the word &quot;didactic&quot; , but obviously you do...in any case, it probably was in connection with photographs which &quot;explain&quot; or &quot;tell&quot; or &quot;teach&quot; something as opposed to ones which may just give us a &quot;feeling&quot;...was that the context???  if so, then yes this would fall into the category of journalistic photograph that magazine editors would consider &quot;explanatory&quot; or &quot;didactic&quot; or &quot;information driven&quot;...we see geography (sense of place) and we see a cultural activity (sense of being) combined in one photograph....

cheers, david</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SIDNEY&#8230;</p>
<p>i cannot remember when i last used the word &#8220;didactic&#8221; , but obviously you do&#8230;in any case, it probably was in connection with photographs which &#8220;explain&#8221; or &#8220;tell&#8221; or &#8220;teach&#8221; something as opposed to ones which may just give us a &#8220;feeling&#8221;&#8230;was that the context???  if so, then yes this would fall into the category of journalistic photograph that magazine editors would consider &#8220;explanatory&#8221; or &#8220;didactic&#8221; or &#8220;information driven&#8221;&#8230;we see geography (sense of place) and we see a cultural activity (sense of being) combined in one photograph&#8230;.</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LASSAL...

hmmmmm, yours is a bit of a strange comment for a photograph depicting a &quot;moment&quot;...if the photographer had &quot;waited a split second&quot; as you suggest , what would have happened to the rider in back with the whip with his arm now raised perfectly and his separation just right from the other horses and what would have happened to the shadows in the front and how in the world do you know which way the horses would have gone and what about the amazing fact that it is the white horse only running right at the camera and not one of the others??? 

cheers, david</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LASSAL&#8230;</p>
<p>hmmmmm, yours is a bit of a strange comment for a photograph depicting a &#8220;moment&#8221;&#8230;if the photographer had &#8220;waited a split second&#8221; as you suggest , what would have happened to the rider in back with the whip with his arm now raised perfectly and his separation just right from the other horses and what would have happened to the shadows in the front and how in the world do you know which way the horses would have gone and what about the amazing fact that it is the white horse only running right at the camera and not one of the others??? </p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL....

i will be traveling all day tomorrow....your patience is appreciated since i will not be able to change to a new photograph until tomorrow evening...

cheers, david</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL&#8230;.</p>
<p>i will be traveling all day tomorrow&#8230;.your patience is appreciated since i will not be able to change to a new photograph until tomorrow evening&#8230;</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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