Comments on: talent or hard work or…?? http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 04:09:49 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Suryo Wibowo http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23574 Suryo Wibowo Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:27:43 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23574 well, i've missed a post about luck. to David Ryder: well, i'm sorry. i'm not a racist, but sometimes i think that being born as a european or american or as other rich country citizen is already a luck in comparation than someone born in a poor country. or being born as a man is in some cultures a better luck than being born as a woman. how can you manage network if you don't have luck to have good and enough resources to manage your network? by the way, have you heard. anyway, it's a luck for me to have a friend who has a camera i could sometimes borrow to make pictures. and it's a luck to if you were born with talent. :) my humble opinion. best regards suryo well, i’ve missed a post about luck.

to David Ryder: well, i’m sorry. i’m not a racist, but sometimes i think that being born as a european or american or as other rich country citizen is already a luck in comparation than someone born in a poor country. or being born as a man is in some cultures a better luck than being born as a woman. how can you manage network if you don’t have luck to have good and enough resources to manage your network? by the way, have you heard.

anyway, it’s a luck for me to have a friend who has a camera i could sometimes borrow to make pictures. and it’s a luck to if you were born with talent. :)

my humble opinion.

best regards

suryo

]]> By: Suryo Wibowo http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23575 Suryo Wibowo Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:04 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23575 Hello David, i've been knowing and loving photography since a couple of times ago. and this thought "hard work or talent" has haunted me every time i see other people's pictures too. well, you have your views based on your experiences :)...so have i. uhhm, i think 1. talent is very important, because sometimes the way someone facing and observing the reality is not the same with others. i believe that the picture is the way they see. i knew a friend, well she is not so beautiful for me. and i've never made a more beautiful photo than her husband has. 2. but talent is not enough. it means nothing if a talented person were also a very lazy one. 3. and for me there is a third factor too... LUCK. that's the only one people can't change. I think everyone has their own faith since they were born. well, it's just my humble opinion. i'm looking forward for your next opinion/counter opinion..what do you think? suryo Hello David,

i’ve been knowing and loving photography since a couple of times ago. and this thought “hard work or talent” has haunted me every time i see other people’s pictures too.

well, you have your views based on your experiences :)…so have i. uhhm, i think

1. talent is very important, because sometimes the way someone facing and observing the reality is not the same with others. i believe that the picture is the way they see. i knew a friend, well she is not so beautiful for me. and i’ve never made a more beautiful photo than her husband has.

2. but talent is not enough. it means nothing if a talented person were also a very lazy one.

3. and for me there is a third factor too… LUCK. that’s the only one people can’t change. I think everyone has their own faith since they were born. well, it’s just my humble opinion.

i’m looking forward for your next opinion/counter opinion..what do you think?

suryo

]]> By: lavannya http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23576 lavannya Thu, 03 May 2007 09:07:14 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23576 I would like to opine here... Though i know its late... Hard work sounds more like something that one does coz they "have to do it"... Working hard.. doesnt pay off... and simply talent doesnt work either... Its smartness and self awareness and the blend of all the things above that is well needed. You have the talent, you know you can do it, and you work at it... make it better, improve daily..... accept that you're not there but want to get there.. and are willing to put in all that's necessary to get there... that's what's needed. I've seen people waste a whole lifetime working very hard and not getting anywhere and I've seen a lot of people having a lot of talent and not doing much about it because of lack of self motivation. I would like to opine here…

Though i know its late…

Hard work sounds more like something that one does coz they “have to do it”…

Working hard.. doesnt pay off… and simply talent doesnt work either…

Its smartness and self awareness and the blend of all the things above that is well needed.

You have the talent, you know you can do it, and you work at it… make it better, improve daily….. accept that you’re not there but want to get there.. and are willing to put in all that’s necessary to get there… that’s what’s needed.

I’ve seen people waste a whole lifetime working very hard and not getting anywhere and I’ve seen a lot of people having a lot of talent and not doing much about it because of lack of self motivation.

]]> By: effy http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23577 effy Thu, 03 May 2007 07:58:35 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23577 i really believe in hard work because i dont have talent. that s my way. i really believe in hard work because i dont have talent. that s my way.

]]> By: David Ryder http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23578 David Ryder Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:43:28 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23578 There is no such thing as luck. Life is yours to create! The most important factor in life is love. If you have love for your work, yourself, and others, you will shoot well and you will be happy. Raw talent is important, but more important are hard work and networking -- both of which will be fueled by one's love for photography. It's true! Peace, David Ryder There is no such thing as luck. Life is yours to create!

The most important factor in life is love. If you have love for your work, yourself, and others, you will shoot well and you will be happy.

Raw talent is important, but more important are hard work and networking — both of which will be fueled by one’s love for photography.

It’s true!

Peace,

David Ryder

]]> By: David http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23579 David Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:28:55 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23579 hey michael....yes, see you soonest when i return new york.....i think we will meet the second week of may......in the meantime, all good cheer....david hey michael….yes, see you soonest when i return new york…..i think we will meet the second week of may……in the meantime, all good cheer….david

]]> By: Chris http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23580 Chris Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:55:07 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23580 hard work is most important for success, talent will indeed raise your abilities to succeed at higher levels as will networking or getting a break, but essentially luck (getting a break) is truely only an opportunity if you are prepared for it...many people with talent get bored and move on so perhaps a little talent mixed with lots of hard work is the key for success...as the saying goes the harder you work the luckier you get ; ) great blog! thank you for all your time and energy that you put into it. Chris hard work is most important for success, talent will indeed raise your abilities to succeed at higher levels as will networking or getting a break, but essentially luck (getting a break) is truely only an opportunity if you are prepared for it…many people with talent get bored and move on so perhaps a little talent mixed with lots of hard work is the key for success…as the saying goes the harder you work the luckier you get ; )

great blog!

thank you for all your time and energy that you put into it.

Chris

]]> By: nelson d'aires http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23581 nelson d'aires Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:32:08 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23581 talent without hard work is a waste. talent without hard work is a waste.

]]> By: nelson d'aires http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-25101 nelson d'aires Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:32:08 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-25101 talent without hard work is a waste. talent without hard work is a waste.

]]> By: Marcin Szczepanski http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23582 Marcin Szczepanski Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:52:41 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23582 When I was first starting to study photography I thought talent was everything. After a a couple of years of professional shooting, I believe hard work is 85% of a success. Luck constitutes 5% and talent 10%. But you still need full 100% to get to the top. When I was first starting to study photography I thought talent was everything.

After a a couple of years of professional shooting, I believe hard work is 85% of a success. Luck constitutes 5% and talent 10%. But you still need full 100% to get to the top.

]]> By: Lee Guthrie http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23583 Lee Guthrie Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:00:37 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23583 Talent is a given because without an eye for the photo and an ability to operate the camera you mostly depend upon the lucky catch. Hard work is also a must; I find myself being lazy at times when I could be really advancing my craft. However, outside of those two things passion, by my experience, is the most important ingredient to producing work that excites and triggers the imagination of the public. Without passion you only have the work and work without passion can be really boring. So in answer to your query, David, I say passion is the most important ingredient to producing work that excites the eye of the beholder. AND it keeps me interested in doing the hard work and continuing to acquire the talent and skills necessary to survive in this field. Talent is a given because without an eye for the photo and an ability to operate the camera you mostly depend upon the lucky catch. Hard work is also a must; I find myself being lazy at times when I could be really advancing my craft. However, outside of those two things passion, by my experience, is the most important ingredient to producing work that excites and triggers the imagination of the public. Without passion you only have the work and work without passion can be really boring. So in answer to your query, David, I say passion is the most important ingredient to producing work that excites the eye of the beholder. AND it keeps me interested in doing the hard work and continuing to acquire the talent and skills necessary to survive in this field.

]]> By: Patrick Cavan Brown http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23584 Patrick Cavan Brown Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:39:22 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23584 20% talent, 70% hard work (business), and %10 luck... I have seen, and know, many mediocre photographers who are very business savvy, work hard, and make a great living. I also know many brilliant photographers who stink at business and go almost nowhere. I am ashamed to say, but I have been finding myself lately in the latter category... Know any good reps? -patrick cavan brown :: ShadowDetails.com 20% talent, 70% hard work (business), and %10 luck…

I have seen, and know, many mediocre photographers who are very business savvy, work hard, and make a great living. I also know many brilliant photographers who stink at business and go almost nowhere. I am ashamed to say, but I have been finding myself lately in the latter category… Know any good reps?

-patrick cavan brown :: ShadowDetails.com

]]> By: santiago serrano http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23585 santiago serrano Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:29:39 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23585 I think that you need to have talent and work, work and work very hard. "When inspiration comes, I hope she finds me working." Pablo Picasso. I think that you need to have talent and work, work and work very hard.

“When inspiration comes, I hope she finds me working.” Pablo Picasso.

]]> By: Jorge Pérez http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23586 Jorge Pérez Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:25:15 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23586 I think that you need to have talent and then work hard to develop the skills that you have. In my case I am trying harder because I think that I didn't get the gift. I think that you need to have talent and then work hard to develop the skills that you have. In my case I am trying harder because I think that I didn’t get the gift.

]]> By: Aga_Luczakowska http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23587 Aga_Luczakowska Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:19:32 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23587 Definately both - talent + hard work i will add to this things also: - good luck which is also important - knowledge (than you can associate facts and make your pictures more valuable) - huge curiosity of the world and people (to be sociable and open for another person and things which brings traveling and meeting new people) - know people who motivate you to work more and harder (firend, family...) - patience :) - to have some idea what you really want to shoot - not only taking pictures to hear the sound of shooter ;) hmm.. i think many things... i would like to know what more... than i can be better photographer :) Definately both – talent + hard work

i will add to this things also:

- good luck which is also important

- knowledge (than you can associate facts and make your pictures more valuable)

- huge curiosity of the world and people

(to be sociable and open for another person and things which brings traveling and meeting new people)

- know people who motivate you to work more and harder (firend, family…)

- patience :)

- to have some idea what you really want to shoot – not only taking pictures to hear the sound of shooter ;)

hmm.. i think many things… i would like to know what more… than i can be better photographer :)

]]> By: Anderson Nascimento http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23588 Anderson Nascimento Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:21:42 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23588 sorry about wrong link sorry about wrong link

]]> By: Anderson Nascimento http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23589 Anderson Nascimento Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:14:28 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23589 David, my inspiration http://www.andersonfotografo.com//david/david.avi see David, my inspiration

http://www.andersonfotografo.com//david/david.avi

see

]]> By: Asher Schachter http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23590 Asher Schachter Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:15:31 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23590 David- here's a relevant and enlightening quote from Harry Callahan: "...To be a photographer, one must photograph. No amount of book learning, no checklist of seminars attended, can substitute for the simple act of making pictures. Experience is the best teacher of all. And for that, there are no guarantees that one will become an artist. Only the journey matters..." Asher David- here’s a relevant and enlightening quote from Harry Callahan:

“…To be a photographer, one must photograph. No amount of book learning, no checklist of seminars attended, can substitute for the simple act of making pictures. Experience is the best teacher of all. And for that, there are no guarantees that one will become an artist. Only the journey matters…”

Asher

]]> By: Mike Halminski http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23591 Mike Halminski Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:59:07 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23591 Photographers do have varying degrees of talent and hard work. There are so many other variables thrown in with those traits: drive, personality, networking, etc. For me, when I was much younger, I had notions of what general direction I wanted to go, what I wanted to achieve. Heading on one's own basic course sets a sequence of events that are unpredictable, but I think can eventually lead to a photographer's comfort zone. Hope this rambling makes some sense. Mike Photographers do have varying degrees of talent and hard work. There are so many other variables thrown in with those traits: drive, personality, networking, etc. For me, when I was much younger, I had notions of what general direction I wanted to go, what I wanted to achieve. Heading on one’s own basic course sets a sequence of events that are unpredictable, but I think can eventually lead to a photographer’s comfort zone. Hope this rambling makes some sense.

Mike

]]> By: Sean Cayton http://www.burnmagazine.org/inspirations/2007/04/talent-or-hard-work-or/comment-page-1/#comment-23592 Sean Cayton Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:48:29 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.net/2007/04/19/talent-or-hard-work-or/#comment-23592 Oh this is fun. Without a doubt hard work. Photography is the most democratic art form ever invented. And what about failure? Failure is as much the result of hard work as success. It takes a willingness to work hard and a willingness to embrace failure. What does talent have to do with it — really? Sean Oh this is fun. Without a doubt hard work.

Photography is the most democratic art form ever invented.

And what about failure? Failure is as much the result of hard work as success. It takes a willingness to work hard and a willingness to embrace failure.

What does talent have to do with it — really?

Sean

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