Comments on: Pablo Piovano – The Human Cost of Agrotoxins https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:48:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: Il glifosato sta uccidendo l’Argentina | A Sud ONLUS https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-1261500 Mon, 30 May 2016 07:01:24 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-1261500 […] reportage si chiama El costo humano de los agrotóxicos, il costo umano dei pesticidi, ed è stato esposto all’edizione 2015 del Festival della […]

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By: Glifosato da Tiffany.Ma non è un film. – I Ricciaroli | Ariccia https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-1151989 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 05:54:40 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-1151989 […] reportage si chiama El costo humano de los agrotóxicos, il costo umano dei pesticidi, ed è stato esposto all’edizione 2015 del Festival della […]

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By: Nocività – La complicità di EFSA con le corporation dell’agrobiotech: il glifosato https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-1065905 Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:46:03 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-1065905 […] foto è tratta dal reportage di Pablo Piovano “The Human Cost of Agrotoxins”, documentando i devastanti effetti del glifosato […]

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By: Ecco come il glifosato sta uccidendo l’Argentina. "El costo humano de los agrotóxicos" (VIDEO). https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-965532 Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:04:05 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-965532 […] reportage si chiama El costo humano de los agrotóxicos, il costo umano dei pesticidi, ed è stato esposto all’edizione 2015 del Festival della […]

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By: El costo humano de los agrotóxicos. Come il glifosato sta uccidendo l’Argentina | Terracina Social Forum https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-965319 Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:41:35 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-965319 […] reportage si chiama El costo humano de los agrotóxicos, il costo umano dei pesticidi, ed è stato esposto all’edizione 2015 del Festival della […]

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By: Come il glifosato sta uccidendo l’Argentina | NoGeoingegneria https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-963989 Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:46:02 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-963989 […] reportage si chiama El costo humano de los agrotóxicos, il costo umano dei pesticidi, ed è stato esposto all’edizione 2015 del Festival della […]

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By: bob black https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-947380 Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:01:28 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-947380 FYI :)

CONGRATULATIONS :)

http://www.photoluxfestival.it/en/exhibitions/the-manuel-rivera-ortiz-foundation-photo-grant-2015-pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-for-agrotoxins

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By: Virgil DiBiase https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-804139 Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:12:52 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-804139 Well, at least coffee is gluten free:)

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By: michael kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-803954 Tue, 25 Aug 2015 17:16:49 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-803954 When science is presented with new information it changes its course. This is a good thing. It does not, however, mean that we can’t know anything. It doesn’t mean everything’s a moving target. In 2015 we know more about the human body than ever before thanks to modern medicine and science… and with no thanks to some passé ancient Chinese hooey.

Now pass me the radium!

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By: Frostfrog https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-803504 Tue, 25 Aug 2015 05:38:43 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-803504 I see the discussion has turned to coffee. I was raised to believe coffee was the Devil’s brew, right behind alcohol, and a sure ticket to the Telestial Kingdom, kind of like hell. Then one Halloween when I was new to Alaska I got off a plane that had managed to land on St. Lawrence Island in a straight down the runway 50 mph wind. That wind tore the glove off my right hand and I helplessly watched it disappear on a course toward Russia, still called the Soviet Union, 40 miles away. A fellow came up and offered me a ride on his three-wheeler into the village so I hoped on. I was frozen when we arrived at his house and he offered me coffee. I drank and was glad for it. Years later, I was in a tiny, open, aluminum boat working its way at two or three miles an hour through an ice-clogged lead in the Chukchi Sea on what would prove to be a frigid, nine hour, slog. An Iñupiaq man told me, “the way to keep warm out here is to drink lots of coffee and piss often.” So that’s what I did. It was kind of hard to piss from that tiny little boat, but I managed. I’ve been a dedicated coffee drinker since and I cherish the drink. I may be hell-bound but I plan to enter smiling, a cup of coffee in my hand.

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By: Imants https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-802507 Mon, 24 Aug 2015 00:13:19 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-802507 “Coffee is good for you…” It sure is I am having a cup now and it makes me happy, love the taste I doubt if radium would make me feel the same way.

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By: Charles Peterson https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-802434 Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:56:15 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-802434 “Coffee is good for you…” and yes at one time people thought that drinking radium was good for you too (thanks to those scientists, the Curies). :) Lets face it, its all a moving target. I think we’re still at pretty early days when it comes to exact effects of what we put into our bodies, consciously or otherwise. It just hasn’t been that big of a priority for the Western medical community as I see it, and obfuscation by corporations that make the substances.

BTW had a few cups this weekend (always do when I visit my parents) and haven’t keeled over – yet. ;) Yeah, the bigger issue is the enormous amount of milk and sugar many put into their coffee in this country, and how that coffee was grown and processed in the first place. And sensitivity to it of course (some are, some aren’t).

I was going to link to that Guardian pice but I see MW beat me to it.

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By: mw https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-802195 Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:34:58 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-802195 Coincidentally, in today’s Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/23/hawaii-birth-defects-pesticides-gmo

A good example of how to handle a similar story.

As a layman, scientific issues like this often come down to matters of trust. When companies and the politicians they pay fight to keep information from us about what kind of chemicals they are using, or what’s in the final product, I am always suspicious they are hiding something bad.

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By: Virgil DiBiase https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801577 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:08:25 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801577 David, I understand now. Can be very confusing to patients. I don’t feel that medical doctors are scientists. Very few are. Ultimately one chooses medicine or science. I tried for a while and chose medicine. Clinical science is based on population studies. Medicine is based on a single individual which takes into account so much more…religion, personality, comorbitites, desires…and medical opinion therefore involves some subjectivity. Impossible to be 100% objective for sure.

Hharry, well…our species is dependent on science. Science exists. It is not man made. Man attempts to understand science. Just because scientists argue does not render it meaningless. When we speak in generalities we may as well be arguing about religion. We can only have an informed discussion if we speak specifically. As in this essay. Or as you imply we can throw away science and believe what we want to believe. Or rather…ignore what may be known. Another level of discussion would be which science is closer to the truth. But…I think we’ve beat a dead horse by now…

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By: bob black https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801562 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:19:38 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801562 DAVID :)

all good…it has been one of the best BURN essays in a long time and one of the best and most interesting and enlightening discussions….

and yes, that cup of coffee on your porch :)

hugs

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By: david alan harvey https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801555 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:09:00 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801555 VIRGIL

many thanks ….i hope to hell i did not say that i thought science was BASED on subjectivity…what i meant to say was that some interpretations of FACTS relating to a diagnosis for example seemed to me the layman photog listening to a group of doctors deciding what to do with a patient appeared to me to be subjective….the science was absolute….what to do about it was not…i.e treatment….surgery, no surgery….surgeon says yes we must cut now, neurologist says no let’s wait and try X, or something to that effect….in other words, the ACTION on the patient could vary depending on OPINION even though everyone in the room is a scientist by definition….but yes yes that is a world apart from an artistic evaluation of work…..

bringing this back to Pablo i can see the problem….he might have listened to the wrong person, or was careless in his research…in this case he needed an expert with him at all times……there are no excuses for this type of work for sure….had he been shooting for a major magazine, most have a team of fact checkers who carefully research…at NatGeo for sure they would have caught this one…they sextuple check everything..and then check it again…and even then sometimes there are errors….

again, many thanks for clarifying and enlightening…

i make the strongest cup of coffee known to man (subjective) but i hope you join me sometime on my front porch to have a cup….

cheers, david

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By: david alan harvey https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801551 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:32:13 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801551 BOB BLACK

my error…on my computer it is soooo faint i literally cannot see it…my screen is screwed and i need a new one soonest….and i did not remember this essay was a finalist….sorry…

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By: hharry https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801517 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:29:51 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801517 Reporting science is really hard if you want to do it well, There are plenty of scientists who disagree with each other. If you want to do it well you need to understand the data. I’m sure people who are paid by a big chemical company can look at something and find no harmful effects, or the company will pick a cancer that they know is NOT caused by the chemical and look into that so there will be negative result.

I know of projects that the government does not want results for so that when someone asks they can say we are looking into it.

The man who put lead in petrol spun that for years.

I honestly don’t think as a species we are influenced by science. I work with scientists who can’t understand why the Government ignores science and I work with normal folk who read that coffee is good and bad for you and think that scientists don’t know what they are doing and stop listening.

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By: Virgil DiBiase https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801417 Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:38:25 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801417 A well researched piece:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/upshot/more-consensus-on-coffees-benefits-than-you-might-think.html?referrer=

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By: Virgil DiBiase https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2015/08/pablo-piovano-the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins/#comment-801416 Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:35:02 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=31966#comment-801416 David, for sure there will always be controversy in science and medicine. But I disagree that science is based on subjectivity. It is based on observation and supported by research and data based ultimately on the scientific method. Although medicine is based on science the practice of medicine has a subjective component as well, hence more room for controversy. Much of the controversy you hear about in the media is a result of non experts babbling on. For example…vaccinations. People feel an emotional connection to a cause and ignore the truth, the science.
I will tell you that in my field there is strong consensus on most diseases and treatments with a some latitude. Even when we treat with trial and error it is based on some degree of science. Rarely is there absolute contradiction. Certainly not to the degree that we may see in the subjective world of art.

Pablo is inviting science, medicine and epidemiology into his photo essay. A tough hill to climb. And his cause is somewhat specific. So he must be even more specific if he wants his powerful images to carry the weight. A simple Medline search will give him most of the data. If he had done that he would’ve known that icthyosis is an inherited disorder not caused by toxins. Or that there is no such disease as brain paralysis. If he disagrees with the research then he must dig deeper and support his argument. Who knows, he might uncover an area of scientific controversy. That might drive this essay to another level. But he went down this road so he must develop it further. It could be much easier than it sounds…if he chooses glyphosate there is plenty of data of its association with lymphoma. At least some. But don’t show me a photo of epilepsy. Show me lymphoma.

Sure, doctors and scientist argue…thank god for that. But they have a starting point…an understanding of science and medicine. Analogous to a discussion on photos…those who know the history of photography will always have better support. But I would argue that it is more necessary to have an understanding of science if one gets involved with an essay such as Pablo’s.

Regarding coffee, my friend, 2 days ago another article appeared in the journal of oncology that those who consume caffeinated coffee have less recurrence of colon cancer and less mortality. So when I speak of coffee I am basing it on legitimate research. It’s not just my opinion. But I admit…no one gonna take my coffee from me:) There was a nice article in the nyt a while back with a nice bibliography. I’ll look for it and post it.

One final thought…most of us feel we can find answers at the touch of a finger…Google knowledge. But most of us don’t know what knowledge to trust. Not all knowledge is equal. I see this every day in my practice. Hundreds of examples that would terrify you. I guess I would encourage Pablo to dig dig dig. It may take him in a different direction but for sure it will be worth it.

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