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	<title>Comments on: BURN GIVEAWAY!</title>
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	<description>burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey.</description>
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		<title>By: amelie</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-121011</link>
		<dc:creator>amelie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still coveting that DAH signed camera bag...is it still up for grabs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still coveting that DAH signed camera bag&#8230;is it still up for grabs?</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120511</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I&#039;m still stuck on the issues raised by that Ira Glass quote and the Citizen Kane commentary and David&#039;s quip in the Geisha thread about being sick of straight photojournalism that mimics work from the mid-twentieth century. Working on my archive I came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://mwebphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-slideshow/G0000qaTLmkAm45I/?start=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these two days of walking around&lt;/a&gt; and thought they were interesting in that context. They predate my knowledge of burn, or any contemporary photography for that matter. I was working on both how to get beyond what I was taught in J-school and how to deal with very harsh reflective light. Though those light experiments didn&#039;t work out and I wasted way too many pixels pursuing it, what I learned from those failures is directly responsible for the looks in some of my published work like Brooklyn Carnival and Goose Pond. I&#039;m starting to miss those days when I didn&#039;t know very much at all about what I couldn&#039;t do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m still stuck on the issues raised by that Ira Glass quote and the Citizen Kane commentary and David&#8217;s quip in the Geisha thread about being sick of straight photojournalism that mimics work from the mid-twentieth century. Working on my archive I came across <a href="http://mwebphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-slideshow/G0000qaTLmkAm45I/?start=" rel="nofollow">these two days of walking around</a> and thought they were interesting in that context. They predate my knowledge of burn, or any contemporary photography for that matter. I was working on both how to get beyond what I was taught in J-school and how to deal with very harsh reflective light. Though those light experiments didn&#8217;t work out and I wasted way too many pixels pursuing it, what I learned from those failures is directly responsible for the looks in some of my published work like Brooklyn Carnival and Goose Pond. I&#8217;m starting to miss those days when I didn&#8217;t know very much at all about what I couldn&#8217;t do.</p>
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		<title>By: Haik</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120454</link>
		<dc:creator>Haik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 06:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks - thanks for the input on archives. We are still in mid-flight. Still polishing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks &#8211; thanks for the input on archives. We are still in mid-flight. Still polishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120450</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eva...
The new archive is looking very good and it gave me a good chance to go back through a couple of previous essays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva&#8230;<br />
The new archive is looking very good and it gave me a good chance to go back through a couple of previous essays.</p>
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		<title>By: eva</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120398</link>
		<dc:creator>eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carlo.. thanks for the input! We&#039;re not quite done done done yet...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlo.. thanks for the input! We&#8217;re not quite done done done yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120392</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice looking NEW archive! the thumbnails is a great idea.

http://www.burnmagazine.org/category/essays/

What is the reason behind the missing thumbnail in the third row?

I&#039;m sure it is still been tweaked but it will be nice to have them under the year of publication.
Maybe a link for 2012 for example? or adding the year at the top of the page for the 2012 ones? it will avoid extra clicks.

Either way....looking GREAT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice looking NEW archive! the thumbnails is a great idea.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.burnmagazine.org/category/essays/" rel="nofollow">http://www.burnmagazine.org/category/essays/</a></p>
<p>What is the reason behind the missing thumbnail in the third row?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it is still been tweaked but it will be nice to have them under the year of publication.<br />
Maybe a link for 2012 for example? or adding the year at the top of the page for the 2012 ones? it will avoid extra clicks.</p>
<p>Either way&#8230;.looking GREAT!</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120389</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another interesting observation from the Citizen Cane commentary. When asked why pretty much everything he did in the movie was so radically different than Hollywood norms, Welles replied that he wasn&#039;t trying to be different, he just shot what he sees. I think that&#039;s the right approach. Especially in conjunction with Glass&#039;s observation that it will probably take lots of practice to actually be able to effectively communicate, in our case shoot, what one sees. Of course Welles was 25 and Kane was his first movie, so a little genius apparently can&#039;t hurt either. 

I was never a big fan of Kane. Always appreciated the visuals but never cared much for the stories. After many years of totally ignoring them, lately I find myself very much enjoying the commentaries available on a lot of DVD&#039;s, particularly Criterion Collections. The Kane commentary didn&#039;t make me like the story any better but it very much deepened my appreciation of the visuals. And much as I tried over the years, I was never able to get what so many saw in Antonioni. Again, enjoyed the visuals, but even more so didn&#039;t get the story. The commentary really helped, again providing a context for even deeper appreciation of the images.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting observation from the Citizen Cane commentary. When asked why pretty much everything he did in the movie was so radically different than Hollywood norms, Welles replied that he wasn&#8217;t trying to be different, he just shot what he sees. I think that&#8217;s the right approach. Especially in conjunction with Glass&#8217;s observation that it will probably take lots of practice to actually be able to effectively communicate, in our case shoot, what one sees. Of course Welles was 25 and Kane was his first movie, so a little genius apparently can&#8217;t hurt either. </p>
<p>I was never a big fan of Kane. Always appreciated the visuals but never cared much for the stories. After many years of totally ignoring them, lately I find myself very much enjoying the commentaries available on a lot of DVD&#8217;s, particularly Criterion Collections. The Kane commentary didn&#8217;t make me like the story any better but it very much deepened my appreciation of the visuals. And much as I tried over the years, I was never able to get what so many saw in Antonioni. Again, enjoyed the visuals, but even more so didn&#8217;t get the story. The commentary really helped, again providing a context for even deeper appreciation of the images.</p>
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		<title>By: SFJason</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120380</link>
		<dc:creator>SFJason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bird watching with serious scatitude]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bird watching with serious scatitude</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120376</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with this quote 100%. When I let go and just &quot;ride&quot; the feelings and the situation I find my best work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with this quote 100%. When I let go and just &#8220;ride&#8221; the feelings and the situation I find my best work.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-4/#comment-120375</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;“I believe it is when pictures are unconsidered and irrational that they come to life; that they evolve from showing to being”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jacob Au Sobol&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>“I believe it is when pictures are unconsidered and irrational that they come to life; that they evolve from showing to being”</i></b><br />
<b>Jacob Au Sobol</b></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-120314</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spent most of the afternoon &quot;fighting&quot; a print in the darkroom, my fault I didn&#039;t take the photo properly. I just couldn&#039;t manage it, lack of experience and also a lack of love for the darkroom helped me fail dismally. I scanned the image into photoshop and with a little bit of patience managed to get a very decent image. First time I&#039;ve ever preferred a digital BW print in photoshop than a wet print...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent most of the afternoon &#8220;fighting&#8221; a print in the darkroom, my fault I didn&#8217;t take the photo properly. I just couldn&#8217;t manage it, lack of experience and also a lack of love for the darkroom helped me fail dismally. I scanned the image into photoshop and with a little bit of patience managed to get a very decent image. First time I&#8217;ve ever preferred a digital BW print in photoshop than a wet print&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes MW let&#039;s post comments here :)...

To see as a photographer sees: Mikhael Subotzky at TEDxStellenbosch
http://youtu.be/FXMWbWMq4lI]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes MW let&#8217;s post comments here :)&#8230;</p>
<p>To see as a photographer sees: Mikhael Subotzky at TEDxStellenbosch<br />
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-120309</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and by the way, since I&#039;m posting my ramblings on the contest thread, did I win? If so, when can I pick up my bag? Was it the Cat in the Hat reference or the other Cat in the Hat reference that won it? Or the Wasilla joke? Or do you just average multiple submissions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by the way, since I&#8217;m posting my ramblings on the contest thread, did I win? If so, when can I pick up my bag? Was it the Cat in the Hat reference or the other Cat in the Hat reference that won it? Or the Wasilla joke? Or do you just average multiple submissions?</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-120308</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just watching Citizen Kane with the voice over commentary by Peter Bogdanovich and was struck by an anecdote about the Director of Photography, Gregg Toland. Toland was, according to Bodanovich, widely considered to be the best cameraman in Hollywood at the time. Orson Welles had never made a film before. Welles didn&#039;t know that the DP was responsible for setting up the lighting and started doing it himself. Toland just followed him around and observed what he was doing. When Welles eventually found out and asked why, Toland told him that he learned so much working with newcomers because they didn&#039;t know what they couldn&#039;t do. That reminded me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/motel_noir/7363557168/in/photostream&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; from mavina&#039;s website to a quote from Ira Glass about how it typically takes a lot of practice before one&#039;s skills catch up with one&#039;s tastes. 

Seems to me those two quotes end up at the same place coming from totally different directions. The important point both make, I think, is that it&#039;s important to do a lot of work before you know what you can&#039;t do. Going a bit further, I like to think that while it&#039;s important to gradually fill a box with all of the things you&#039;ve figured out you can&#039;t do, it&#039;s equally important to never get to a place where you feel you know all the things you can&#039;t do. I think for the best it&#039;s a constant pushing at those boundaries.

Thinking of things like this as I finally bear down and get my digital archive in order. I&#039;ve been going through every photo I&#039;ve taken since I got my first digital camera in 2004. I&#039;d done a lot of work with film in the three years previous. I went through all that last time I was in my Mom&#039;s basement and found next to nothing worthwhile. The early digital work is very sparse in terms of quality as well. But I can see and remember myself trying so many things that I didn&#039;t know wouldn&#039;t work. Most of them didn&#039;t, but in many cases I see things I learned from those failed experiments manifesting themselves across the years. I think Glass has it right about keeping at it, and that&#039;s something David constantly reiterates as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just watching Citizen Kane with the voice over commentary by Peter Bogdanovich and was struck by an anecdote about the Director of Photography, Gregg Toland. Toland was, according to Bodanovich, widely considered to be the best cameraman in Hollywood at the time. Orson Welles had never made a film before. Welles didn&#8217;t know that the DP was responsible for setting up the lighting and started doing it himself. Toland just followed him around and observed what he was doing. When Welles eventually found out and asked why, Toland told him that he learned so much working with newcomers because they didn&#8217;t know what they couldn&#8217;t do. That reminded me of <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/motel_noir/7363557168/in/photostream" rel="nofollow">this link</a> from mavina&#8217;s website to a quote from Ira Glass about how it typically takes a lot of practice before one&#8217;s skills catch up with one&#8217;s tastes. </p>
<p>Seems to me those two quotes end up at the same place coming from totally different directions. The important point both make, I think, is that it&#8217;s important to do a lot of work before you know what you can&#8217;t do. Going a bit further, I like to think that while it&#8217;s important to gradually fill a box with all of the things you&#8217;ve figured out you can&#8217;t do, it&#8217;s equally important to never get to a place where you feel you know all the things you can&#8217;t do. I think for the best it&#8217;s a constant pushing at those boundaries.</p>
<p>Thinking of things like this as I finally bear down and get my digital archive in order. I&#8217;ve been going through every photo I&#8217;ve taken since I got my first digital camera in 2004. I&#8217;d done a lot of work with film in the three years previous. I went through all that last time I was in my Mom&#8217;s basement and found next to nothing worthwhile. The early digital work is very sparse in terms of quality as well. But I can see and remember myself trying so many things that I didn&#8217;t know wouldn&#8217;t work. Most of them didn&#8217;t, but in many cases I see things I learned from those failed experiments manifesting themselves across the years. I think Glass has it right about keeping at it, and that&#8217;s something David constantly reiterates as well.</p>
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		<title>By: rkk1980</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-119684</link>
		<dc:creator>rkk1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m no Crepuscular on Twilight.. Waiting for Saint Nicholas from North..]]></description>
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		<title>By: Graham.Martin.Photo</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-119674</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham.Martin.Photo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Sigh... why do I always appear purple when shot with that damn Velvia???&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sigh&#8230; why do I always appear purple when shot with that damn Velvia???&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gerhard Clausing</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-119568</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerhard Clausing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m dreaming of a Mice Christmas ...]]></description>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-119558</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 14:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The hat might fake but the cat shit in your shoes is very real&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The hat might fake but the cat shit in your shoes is very real&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: abhilash.bhagat</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2013/01/burn-giveaway/comment-page-3/#comment-119549</link>
		<dc:creator>abhilash.bhagat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate Christmas and Photoshop!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Alan Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tree Furry]]></description>
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