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	<title>Comments on: grogan diarmait &#8211; new way home</title>
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		<title>By: Imants</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105564</link>
		<dc:creator>Imants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diarmait......... &quot;Authenticity is what I’m striving for&quot;  means what please?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diarmait&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; &#8220;Authenticity is what I’m striving for&#8221;  means what please?</p>
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		<title>By: Diarmait</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105563</link>
		<dc:creator>Diarmait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone, thanks so much for your comments. I only discovered that this was online today, I had somehow missed it.

I guess I should set the record straight: the images here are all scanned from hand-prints made in two different darkrooms, for what that’s worth. There were no digital manipulations involved, only analogue ones. The borders are the result of filed-out neg carriers, not a photoshop plugin. As small gelatine-silver prints with the image centered on the paper, I felt that the borders aesthetically suited the mood I was trying to evoke with the work. I did question whether they served a valid purpose on jpegs, but since that was how I printed the images I decided to leave them in. Oddly, if I had cropped the borders out, *that* could have validly been called a digital manipulation.

Thanks again for the feedback, I’m delighted to be on Burn!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, thanks so much for your comments. I only discovered that this was online today, I had somehow missed it.</p>
<p>I guess I should set the record straight: the images here are all scanned from hand-prints made in two different darkrooms, for what that’s worth. There were no digital manipulations involved, only analogue ones. The borders are the result of filed-out neg carriers, not a photoshop plugin. As small gelatine-silver prints with the image centered on the paper, I felt that the borders aesthetically suited the mood I was trying to evoke with the work. I did question whether they served a valid purpose on jpegs, but since that was how I printed the images I decided to leave them in. Oddly, if I had cropped the borders out, *that* could have validly been called a digital manipulation.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the feedback, I’m delighted to be on Burn!</p>
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		<title>By: iforum</title>
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		<dc:creator>iforum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Borders are useless , does little as a essay but looks as if it would be great on the wall. Thank you for the link Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Borders are useless , does little as a essay but looks as if it would be great on the wall. Thank you for the link Bob</p>
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		<title>By: michael kircher</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We seem to have lost the slideshow?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to have lost the slideshow?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Lafleur</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105319</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Lafleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diarmait
I understand the appeal of manipulation, something it seems one needs to get out of their system (or not). As I get older, I often rant about the tendancy of young photographers to fall into the trap of high- contrast-grainy-fuzzy. I went through that phase myself, along with lots of my contemporaries in the sixties-seventies. We&#039;d print on Agfa brovira#6, the highest contrast paper ever made. If you wanted to just get crazy, you would &quot;kodalith&quot; it. Nothing but black, or white. In black and white, now I am more of the &quot;wanna see detail in the deepest shadows and brightest highlights&quot; school. Either approach is now a mouse click away in photoshop.

Glad you&#039;re having fun. I&#039;m havin&#039; fun]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diarmait<br />
I understand the appeal of manipulation, something it seems one needs to get out of their system (or not). As I get older, I often rant about the tendancy of young photographers to fall into the trap of high- contrast-grainy-fuzzy. I went through that phase myself, along with lots of my contemporaries in the sixties-seventies. We&#8217;d print on Agfa brovira#6, the highest contrast paper ever made. If you wanted to just get crazy, you would &#8220;kodalith&#8221; it. Nothing but black, or white. In black and white, now I am more of the &#8220;wanna see detail in the deepest shadows and brightest highlights&#8221; school. Either approach is now a mouse click away in photoshop.</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re having fun. I&#8217;m havin&#8217; fun</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Lafleur</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105316</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Lafleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diarmait

Forgive me for not commenting earlier on the content of this presentation. Firstly, congratulations for being published here. These images feel very personal. Personal to you, yes, yet they resonate with me as well. When photographs conjure up smells, and the feeling of cold air on my face, and flashes of memory of times past, I know these are wonderful, powerful images. Thankyou so much.

 

Yes, poetry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diarmait</p>
<p>Forgive me for not commenting earlier on the content of this presentation. Firstly, congratulations for being published here. These images feel very personal. Personal to you, yes, yet they resonate with me as well. When photographs conjure up smells, and the feeling of cold air on my face, and flashes of memory of times past, I know these are wonderful, powerful images. Thankyou so much.</p>
<p>Yes, poetry.</p>
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		<title>By: bob black</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Diarmait:

i really comment any more on photographers work, rather preserve that now for in person over drinks...but will just say this:

it is beautiful and heartfelt and the girl on the swing tears my heart up....

so, for you mate, this is what i thought of when i saw the series, an Irish man singing about Irish children:

A Kite for Michael and Christopher

 All through that Sunday afternoon
 a kite flew above Sunday,
 a tightened drumhead, an armful of blown chaff.

 I&#039;d seen it grey and slippy in the making,
 I&#039;d tapped it when it dried out white and stiff,
 I&#039;d tied the bows of newspaper
 along its six-foot tail.

 But now it was far up like a small black lark
 and now it dragged as if the bellied string
 were a wet rope hauled upon
 to lift a shoal.

 My friend says that the human soul
 is about the weight of a snipe,
 yet the soul at anchor there,
 the string that sags and ascends,
 weigh like a furrow assumed into the heavens.

 Before the kite plunges down into the wood
 and this line goes useless
 take in your two hands, boys, and feel
 the strumming, rooted, long-tailed pull of grief.
 You were born fit for it.
 Stand in here in front of me
 and take the strain.
-seamus heaney

and as for the questioning of the prints...or the use of a software....or for those who can&#039;t see what these are in actuality, i&#039;m stunned, really......have been using film for the breath of my photographic light, printing in darkrooms (none of which matters) and these ARE prints....

Stand in there and absorb the strain...

cheers
bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diarmait:</p>
<p>i really comment any more on photographers work, rather preserve that now for in person over drinks&#8230;but will just say this:</p>
<p>it is beautiful and heartfelt and the girl on the swing tears my heart up&#8230;.</p>
<p>so, for you mate, this is what i thought of when i saw the series, an Irish man singing about Irish children:</p>
<p>A Kite for Michael and Christopher</p>
<p> All through that Sunday afternoon<br />
 a kite flew above Sunday,<br />
 a tightened drumhead, an armful of blown chaff.</p>
<p> I&#8217;d seen it grey and slippy in the making,<br />
 I&#8217;d tapped it when it dried out white and stiff,<br />
 I&#8217;d tied the bows of newspaper<br />
 along its six-foot tail.</p>
<p> But now it was far up like a small black lark<br />
 and now it dragged as if the bellied string<br />
 were a wet rope hauled upon<br />
 to lift a shoal.</p>
<p> My friend says that the human soul<br />
 is about the weight of a snipe,<br />
 yet the soul at anchor there,<br />
 the string that sags and ascends,<br />
 weigh like a furrow assumed into the heavens.</p>
<p> Before the kite plunges down into the wood<br />
 and this line goes useless<br />
 take in your two hands, boys, and feel<br />
 the strumming, rooted, long-tailed pull of grief.<br />
 You were born fit for it.<br />
 Stand in here in front of me<br />
 and take the strain.<br />
-seamus heaney</p>
<p>and as for the questioning of the prints&#8230;or the use of a software&#8230;.or for those who can&#8217;t see what these are in actuality, i&#8217;m stunned, really&#8230;&#8230;have been using film for the breath of my photographic light, printing in darkrooms (none of which matters) and these ARE prints&#8230;.</p>
<p>Stand in there and absorb the strain&#8230;</p>
<p>cheers<br />
bob</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105309</link>
		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PAUL

i think i am coming around a bit on this one...the photoshop DOES make me wince a bit...i honestly did not even notice it the first time around...when i was reviewing the work...my eye does such a hard lock on imagery, as when i take a picture, and extraneous material is just &quot;eliminated&quot;...but in time, i do start the notice the &quot;edges&quot;...this tech just not needed here...the basic work is brilliant...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAUL</p>
<p>i think i am coming around a bit on this one&#8230;the photoshop DOES make me wince a bit&#8230;i honestly did not even notice it the first time around&#8230;when i was reviewing the work&#8230;my eye does such a hard lock on imagery, as when i take a picture, and extraneous material is just &#8220;eliminated&#8221;&#8230;but in time, i do start the notice the &#8220;edges&#8221;&#8230;this tech just not needed here&#8230;the basic work is brilliant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105307</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mtomalty...

I don&#039;t know, I see soul throughout this essay but personally I find it overwhelmingly overshadowed by a photoshop plugin. It&#039;s probably because I know the Silver efex plugin inside out, I use it all the time. In fact I use certain fake borders for an essay I&#039;m working on at the moment because the two subjects involved, want those frames included when I give back the photos.
In the end it doesn&#039;t matter the content is brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mtomalty&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I see soul throughout this essay but personally I find it overwhelmingly overshadowed by a photoshop plugin. It&#8217;s probably because I know the Silver efex plugin inside out, I use it all the time. In fact I use certain fake borders for an essay I&#8217;m working on at the moment because the two subjects involved, want those frames included when I give back the photos.<br />
In the end it doesn&#8217;t matter the content is brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Lafleur</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105293</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Lafleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John
I usually don&#039;t care wether these are &quot;pure&quot; silver based, hipstamatic, or otherwise manipulated. When a photograph is manipulated to look old school, I do understand how film burners might feel it is cheating. Shouldn&#039;t the image, however derived, be what is important?

I have to admit that I have always been uncomfortable with photographs manipulated to look like paintings. We can easily print on canvas now, but even in film days photographers would strip the emulsion and mount the photo on to canvas with a heat press. Some even added brush strokes with a clear acrylic paste made for that purpose. The whole implication is that the more a photo looks like a painting the more &quot;artistic&quot; it is. 

In this case, the implication is that the  more a photograph looks like it is old school silver based...grainy, blurry, too contrasty, the more artistic it is. 

Dunno..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John<br />
I usually don&#8217;t care wether these are &#8220;pure&#8221; silver based, hipstamatic, or otherwise manipulated. When a photograph is manipulated to look old school, I do understand how film burners might feel it is cheating. Shouldn&#8217;t the image, however derived, be what is important?</p>
<p>I have to admit that I have always been uncomfortable with photographs manipulated to look like paintings. We can easily print on canvas now, but even in film days photographers would strip the emulsion and mount the photo on to canvas with a heat press. Some even added brush strokes with a clear acrylic paste made for that purpose. The whole implication is that the more a photo looks like a painting the more &#8220;artistic&#8221; it is. </p>
<p>In this case, the implication is that the  more a photograph looks like it is old school silver based&#8230;grainy, blurry, too contrasty, the more artistic it is. </p>
<p>Dunno..</p>
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		<title>By: Milli</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105270</link>
		<dc:creator>Milli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do really love the whole set and the text -I respectfully disagree mw. I think it explains a personal purpose but there is still a lot of room to see into the work. 
A difficult endeavor- well done!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do really love the whole set and the text -I respectfully disagree mw. I think it explains a personal purpose but there is still a lot of room to see into the work.<br />
A difficult endeavor- well done!</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105264</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the images, but I think the text is a good example of why storytellers, at least those working in art or fiction, shouldn&#039;t actually tell their audience what the story is supposed to be about. Any good story is more interesting when left open to speculation. I mean, had Kafka told us the meaning behind the guy turning into a bug, would the story be half as interesting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the images, but I think the text is a good example of why storytellers, at least those working in art or fiction, shouldn&#8217;t actually tell their audience what the story is supposed to be about. Any good story is more interesting when left open to speculation. I mean, had Kafka told us the meaning behind the guy turning into a bug, would the story be half as interesting?</p>
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		<title>By: Frostfrog</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105262</link>
		<dc:creator>Frostfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s poetry, from beginning to end. It is not journalism or documentary, so, while I tend to prefer to see unmanipulated photography, if its not, that&#039;s okay with me in this case. Diarmait is creating a reflection of his soul - whatever tools he must use. Yet, I am not convinced that it has been manipulated. Where I most wonder is the face to the right in image 4.

As I almost always do, I admire the entire presentation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s poetry, from beginning to end. It is not journalism or documentary, so, while I tend to prefer to see unmanipulated photography, if its not, that&#8217;s okay with me in this case. Diarmait is creating a reflection of his soul &#8211; whatever tools he must use. Yet, I am not convinced that it has been manipulated. Where I most wonder is the face to the right in image 4.</p>
<p>As I almost always do, I admire the entire presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: mtomalty</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtomalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wouldn&#039;t surprise me,as well,if Silver Fx was used nor does it affect me one way or the other.
The set is interesting. Some I like. Other, I don&#039;t.  The borders are just how Diarmait chose to
present his work.
Paul, would the &#039;soul&#039; be any more intact if a natural film border was used on a chemical print ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me,as well,if Silver Fx was used nor does it affect me one way or the other.<br />
The set is interesting. Some I like. Other, I don&#8217;t.  The borders are just how Diarmait chose to<br />
present his work.<br />
Paul, would the &#8216;soul&#8217; be any more intact if a natural film border was used on a chemical print ?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105244</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the moment I&#039;m having a hard time enjoying theses image and it&#039;s all because if those weird borders. It keeps distracting me from these lovely images. I need time to get used to it but right now I keep seeing in my mind the silver efex plugin and it&#039;s pissing me off badly and I hate any kind of technical issue getting in the way of soul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment I&#8217;m having a hard time enjoying theses image and it&#8217;s all because if those weird borders. It keeps distracting me from these lovely images. I need time to get used to it but right now I keep seeing in my mind the silver efex plugin and it&#8217;s pissing me off badly and I hate any kind of technical issue getting in the way of soul.</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105240</link>
		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JOHN

i echo Thodoris&#039; observation/question...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOHN</p>
<p>i echo Thodoris&#8217; observation/question&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Imants</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2012/01/grogan-diarmait-new-way-home/comment-page-1/#comment-105238</link>
		<dc:creator>Imants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Authenticity ........no such animal something made up just like the &quot;virgin forest!!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Authenticity &#8230;&#8230;..no such animal something made up just like the &#8220;virgin forest!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never gave it a thought; don&#039;t care.

Mike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never gave it a thought; don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Milli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No way ...it&#039;s all straight. No layers or manipulations is my estimation. Will need more time later with these for sure :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way &#8230;it&#8217;s all straight. No layers or manipulations is my estimation. Will need more time later with these for sure :)</p>
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		<title>By: eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John..

gut feeling tells me it&#039;s manipulation.. could be wrong though, and he&#039;s just printing with many different negative holders...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John..</p>
<p>gut feeling tells me it&#8217;s manipulation.. could be wrong though, and he&#8217;s just printing with many different negative holders&#8230;</p>
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