Comments on: giulio di sturco – war at the edge of heaven

By: Justinlorimer.com

Justinlorimer.com — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:27:07 +0000

Wow! Stunning look into a world I know nothing about. Number one, seven, eight and twelve are SPECTACULAR! If only I had a touch of your narrative talent.

By: War at the Edge of Heaven by Giulio Di Sturco (BURN Magazine) | The 37th Frame

Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:17:47 +0000

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By: Siddharth

Siddharth — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 06:30:40 +0000

hello everyone,

this is really a tough call.not undermining the work at all. Giulio is a brilliant and very hard working photographer. and if one goes to this side of world ,one can imagine the efforts one has to take to photograph the area . But i must suggest there’s another side of Kashmir too. Recently in a national magazine in New Delhi, i read profiles of five entrepreneurs from kashmir who were doing things differently, are successful and improving lives. And then sometime back a group was hoping to make a local movie in Srinagar . That i think are also stories worthwhile telling .

David, Nana by the way also teaches photography to group of underprivileged children in Kashmir. Nana if you can please share more details.

kind regards

Siddharth

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By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:56:16 +0000

I haven’t seen much on Kashmir only Andy Spyra’s essay and I personally find this one just as interesting. This isn’t an essay which barges right into your face, it’s soulful and needs watching slowly. It will probably survive the test of time and fashion wise better than Spyra’s, which is a very “now” essay style wise. “War at the Edge of Heaven”, reminds me a bit like Koudelka’s gypsies it gradually grew on me, although there seems to be a bit of everyone’s style in here and don’t find that bad either, we’re all made up of many photographers and drop of our own life as influence.
Laughing, I don’t find them that over processed! But maybe that is because mine our way more over processed than this so move out Giulio because I’m first in the queue at the gallows pole!
BTW, I once read once an interview with Koudelka’s printer and he commented that the images were pretty hard to print and needed many tries to get anything simply reasonable so in a sense Koudelka’s work could also be sort of seen as over processed. But we challenge his work? Why? Because he’s part of Magnum or because it’s all shot on film?
But WTF the important thing is the content and I find these great, full of little subtle stories in each image.
So just slow down and look at it over and over again, I’ll bet it grows on you and anyway it’s probably going to be up close to the top on Burn for a few days…

By: Preston Merchant

Preston Merchant — Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:44:43 +0000

I agree that we have seen all this before, not just on Burn. It’s the standard take on Kashmir. It’s not even a story, really — just photos of the landscape of brutality. The accompanying text tries to make the situation sound as urgent as possible. “A new generation of politicized Kashmiris has now risen, and the world is again likely to ignore them – until some of them turn into terrorists.” Really? Oppressed Muslims = terrorists? That’s the point these pictures? Photographing to reinforce the standard narratives of the War on Terror, without any reference to the local issues facing Kashmiris (who are not all Muslims), seems pretty specious.

By: kombizz

kombizz — Tue, 04 Oct 2011 05:42:00 +0000

a very beautiful captured of interesting images to see and feel

By: panos skoulidas

panos skoulidas — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 20:26:42 +0000

Eva I love how accurate u are when giving credit to other Burnians!
You are the spirit!!!

By: eva

eva — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:39:59 +0000

Just to acknowledge, Thomas Bregulla pointed the movie out to me a few weeks back.

By: eva

eva — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:36:00 +0000

Mark, this one:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/magnum-photos-the-changing-of-a-myth/oclc/128215252

Originally produced for German TV and Arte in 1999

By: mtomalty

mtomalty — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:26:56 +0000

What video would that be, Eva ?

By: mtomalty

mtomalty — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:20:38 +0000

http://www.petermccollough.com/blog/72311-learning-to-touch-bottom/

Just came across this blog post. Some interesting points

By: eva

eva — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:19:26 +0000

Makes me think of what Manos, Höpker and Koudelka say in the Magnum-Photos video (around 1 hour and ten minutes in).. there they talk about photographers applying to the Agency presenting year after year the same stories, but basically it can be said here too.. good, even great photography, but new or different point of view or just clones?

And then, there comes the question: does it matter? I don’t know.

By: panos skoulidas

panos skoulidas — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:46:24 +0000

and i love Paolo (worked with him last month), and of course i love DAH…but but but…im tired seeing their clones everywhere…smiling!
its ok to get inspired by DAH or Paolo but plz, plz dont copy them!

By: panos skoulidas

panos skoulidas — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:44:44 +0000

Mark, i didnt necessarily meant Hipstamatic or iphone APPS etc…i meant “raw, un manipulated phone photos or instant camera look!

Gordon, yes havent got time to check website but i will definitely look for the color photos…the B&W is perfect here, juuuuuust a little “too perfect” for me, thats all!

By: mtomalty

mtomalty — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:35:35 +0000

“but sometimes i also wish someone had an iphone or blackberry to show me the color “truth”

Really ?
To me the “iphone’look’ is fast becoming the most cliched,over-manipulated style to come along in a
long time- a style based on convenience and not,necessarily, thought.

By: Gordon Lafleur

Gordon Lafleur — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:24:09 +0000

Panos, have a look at Giulio’s website to see some of these photos in colour, (although the colour has been messed with)

There is some ipressive stuff on the site, but I must admit I prefer the less manipulated versions. Not that I am against manipulation, I just don’t think it adds any impact in this case, quite to opposite actually. I particularly dislike the photos with the induced blur.

There are some gems here. I particularly love #7

Congratulations Giullio. Glad to see this here and also to see the work on your site.

By: Akaky

Akaky — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:22:12 +0000

http://sakura.1allo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pipe.jpg

Just a thought…

By: panos skoulidas

panos skoulidas — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:46:38 +0000

I always wonder what these scenes look like without the artificially induced drama
—————————————–
Jim, i agree. ! me too! i love love the Paolo Pellegrin “look” and lyricism..
but sometimes i also wish someone had an iphone or blackberry to show me the color “truth” , although not always..over processed food is not always the best! choose organic for a change!
And to all ladies out there..try once to not wear make up..you might look prettier than u think!
(and that goes to all super processed photogs out there too with the super duper photoshop apps/plug ins etc..less “make up” is more………………………….sometimes!!!!!)
Coz when “coolness” becomes a rule! or a must! then the coolness is gone, vanished!…
And its still so amazing though how many new photogs keep being influenced/copy PAOLO PELLEGRIN’s black n white “curves”!!!
smiling…still smaller number though comparing to the ones (photogs) that tried/trying/will always try TO COPY , DAH’s signature fill flash/ color palette! im personally happily tired sometimes when i see “just another Paolo P, clone” or just another one desperately trying to copy that DAH , CUBA/RIO color look (shadows and silhouettes and sideways fill…)

btw, Amazing essay…loved it!.. smells “italia” to me!
one love , big hug!

By: david alan harvey

david alan harvey — Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:38:23 +0000

NANA..

i am smiling..i too imagine sometimes the Kashmir valley full of photographers, and the Caucuses and most of India and well, there is well trodden ground out there for sure…and no doubt the astute, as you, will compare this with Andy Spyra..you are probably right…there are no “new aspects” from this work over the Spyra essay (which was more than a year ago i think)…for me, publishing both works, i feel the readers here may choose from a hyper dramatized version like Sprya or a quieter version presented here by Di Sturco…yes, basically the same “information” but with totally different styles…the only similarity stylistically that i see anyway is the conversion to black & white…

thanks for your observations…

cheers, david