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		<title>By: Falaê! &#187; Não é Sobre Futebol</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/11/dimitri-stefanov-not-about-football/comment-page-1/#comment-56376</link>
		<dc:creator>Falaê! &#187; Não é Sobre Futebol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do fotógrafo búlgaro de 22 anos, Dimitri Stefanov, que retrata um time de futebol amador de Madrid. Como ele diz, não é uma história sobre futebol, e sim sobre a vida e luta de açougueiros, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Falaê! &#187; Não é Sobre Futebol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Falaê! &#187; Não é Sobre Futebol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do fotógrafo búlgaro de 22 anos, Dimitri Stefanov, que retrata um time de futebol amador de Madrid. Como ele diz, não é uma história sobre futebol, e sim sobre a vida e luta de açougueiros, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do fotógrafo búlgaro de 22 anos, Dimitri Stefanov, que retrata um time de futebol amador de Madrid. Como ele diz, não é uma história sobre futebol, e sim sobre a vida e luta de açougueiros, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 28mm:Blog &#8211; Por Henrique Manreza &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Não é Sobre Futebol</title>
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		<dc:creator>28mm:Blog &#8211; Por Henrique Manreza &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Não é Sobre Futebol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do fotógrafo búlgaro de 22 anos, Dimitri Stefanov, que retrata um time de futebol amador de Madrid. Como ele diz, não é uma história sobre futebol, e sim sobre a vida e luta de açougueiros, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Randi Berez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randi Berez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it looks great.  I love the contrast and can imagine the prints are stunning.  Really, really nice work.  thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it looks great.  I love the contrast and can imagine the prints are stunning.  Really, really nice work.  thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: mishafriedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>mishafriedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great work! very very interesting.
misha friedman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great work! very very interesting.<br />
misha friedman</p>
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		<title>By: mtomalty</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtomalty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have to agree with many of the comments here about the very high contrast . I’m afraid it is a trap that many young photographers fall into.&quot;

Hey Gordon,
Just curious as to why you feel the use of fairly extreme contrast is a trap many young
photographers fall in to ?

While I tend to agree that the technique doesn&#039;t suit all images in the piece I like the
harsh, aggressive mood that is created and I don&#039;t really see much difference in similarly
styled pieces by Trent Parke or Alex Majoli that are generally well regarded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have to agree with many of the comments here about the very high contrast . I’m afraid it is a trap that many young photographers fall into.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey Gordon,<br />
Just curious as to why you feel the use of fairly extreme contrast is a trap many young<br />
photographers fall in to ?</p>
<p>While I tend to agree that the technique doesn&#8217;t suit all images in the piece I like the<br />
harsh, aggressive mood that is created and I don&#8217;t really see much difference in similarly<br />
styled pieces by Trent Parke or Alex Majoli that are generally well regarded</p>
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		<title>By: gaetano belverde</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaetano belverde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like this essay. To much dark for my taste. The first one seems to be shot on the moon... replay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like this essay. To much dark for my taste. The first one seems to be shot on the moon&#8230; replay</p>
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		<title>By: jope</title>
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		<dc:creator>jope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, just a quick comment.

Love the work and I like the confidence that you have in your Black and White images, they are very stark; a style which I personally wouldn&#039;t choose for this type of subject (it has its merits elsewhere in my opinion) but nonetheless a very good essay.

I loved coming across the one portrait of the man&#039;s face covered with sweat. It was very nice to see something personal and simple like that after such heavy black and white photographs.

cheers and congrats on getting published here on Burn. Keep shooting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, just a quick comment.</p>
<p>Love the work and I like the confidence that you have in your Black and White images, they are very stark; a style which I personally wouldn&#8217;t choose for this type of subject (it has its merits elsewhere in my opinion) but nonetheless a very good essay.</p>
<p>I loved coming across the one portrait of the man&#8217;s face covered with sweat. It was very nice to see something personal and simple like that after such heavy black and white photographs.</p>
<p>cheers and congrats on getting published here on Burn. Keep shooting!</p>
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		<title>By: emcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>emcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon-Marc - I am very glad you are writing - welcome. I &#039;hear&#039; your point and to some extent agree, especially when device supplants content, but my question to you is about the pitfalls of the alternative to leading an audience in a direction. In an &#039;authored&#039; essay, don&#039;t we expect that the photographer have something more than a straight journalistic point of view, and that this view, while it should not dictate, might inform the work and the viewer if it suggests? I also wonder if what you call emphatic baggage is owned by a generation or simply extended by the benefit of time and understanding of lineage, or if it is even visually and intellectually/emotionally consumed by non-photographers in the way you suggest (how many casual viewers will get the daido reference?)

A reminder that there is a dialogue part to burn, as there is a one comment per person rule under essays..please come on over to the current thread &#039;time out&#039; to talk more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon-Marc &#8211; I am very glad you are writing &#8211; welcome. I &#8216;hear&#8217; your point and to some extent agree, especially when device supplants content, but my question to you is about the pitfalls of the alternative to leading an audience in a direction. In an &#8216;authored&#8217; essay, don&#8217;t we expect that the photographer have something more than a straight journalistic point of view, and that this view, while it should not dictate, might inform the work and the viewer if it suggests? I also wonder if what you call emphatic baggage is owned by a generation or simply extended by the benefit of time and understanding of lineage, or if it is even visually and intellectually/emotionally consumed by non-photographers in the way you suggest (how many casual viewers will get the daido reference?)</p>
<p>A reminder that there is a dialogue part to burn, as there is a one comment per person rule under essays..please come on over to the current thread &#8216;time out&#8217; to talk more.</p>
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		<title>By: Reimar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reimar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dimitri,
nice images! Very well done! You are on a good way. I haven been shooting football for many years and I am glad to see a different view on the game. The b&amp;w works fine for me, even the high contrasts. Image No 12 is among my favourites because I have seen players run onto the field many times, but never like that...
My suggestion would be to add the private side of the players, their working and living conditions and perhaps the supporters (relatives) because you say it is not about football but about life. I would like to see more of this life.
Please contact Philipp Köster of the German football magazine &quot;11 Freunde&quot;. This is a high class, top of the line football magazine with a great design and I am sure they would be interested to take a look at your work. 
http://www.11freunde.de/impressum

Anybody interested in a different approach to football photography please check out Hans van der Meer!!! Highly, highly recommended!

Football is not my passion at all so I shoot football for money. I love ice hockey... 
http://www.reimar-ott.de/IceDragonsHerford.htm

Best
Reimar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dimitri,<br />
nice images! Very well done! You are on a good way. I haven been shooting football for many years and I am glad to see a different view on the game. The b&amp;w works fine for me, even the high contrasts. Image No 12 is among my favourites because I have seen players run onto the field many times, but never like that&#8230;<br />
My suggestion would be to add the private side of the players, their working and living conditions and perhaps the supporters (relatives) because you say it is not about football but about life. I would like to see more of this life.<br />
Please contact Philipp Köster of the German football magazine &#8220;11 Freunde&#8221;. This is a high class, top of the line football magazine with a great design and I am sure they would be interested to take a look at your work.<br />
<a href="http://www.11freunde.de/impressum" rel="nofollow">http://www.11freunde.de/impressum</a></p>
<p>Anybody interested in a different approach to football photography please check out Hans van der Meer!!! Highly, highly recommended!</p>
<p>Football is not my passion at all so I shoot football for money. I love ice hockey&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.reimar-ott.de/IceDragonsHerford.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.reimar-ott.de/IceDragonsHerford.htm</a></p>
<p>Best<br />
Reimar</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/11/dimitri-stefanov-not-about-football/comment-page-1/#comment-56128</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it. Some of the photos really stand out. I love the first and last choices. I also felt like the hard contrast was a bit too much, but on the photos that worked (for me) it fit. 

I thought some of the details of body parts got redundant. The guy getting a massage and the shower scene at the end didn&#039;t work at all, like I&#039;d already seen too much &quot;body&quot; as it was. It&#039;s the life, as you say and begin to show, that I like most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it. Some of the photos really stand out. I love the first and last choices. I also felt like the hard contrast was a bit too much, but on the photos that worked (for me) it fit. </p>
<p>I thought some of the details of body parts got redundant. The guy getting a massage and the shower scene at the end didn&#8217;t work at all, like I&#8217;d already seen too much &#8220;body&#8221; as it was. It&#8217;s the life, as you say and begin to show, that I like most.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Lafleur</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/11/dimitri-stefanov-not-about-football/comment-page-1/#comment-56123</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Lafleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dimitri

Congratulations on being published here. 

Congratulations also on your excellent work.This work shows maturity and a wonderful eye for composition. I love what you are trying to convey here. I can see your passion, as well as your subjects passion. You have created a powerful story, and touched on an aspect of life that many of us can relate to, personal passion/obsession.

Your sense of composition is wonderful. I especially love 17, 20, and 22. 

I have to agree with many of the comments here about the very high contrast . I&#039;m afraid it is a trap that many young photographers fall into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dimitri</p>
<p>Congratulations on being published here. </p>
<p>Congratulations also on your excellent work.This work shows maturity and a wonderful eye for composition. I love what you are trying to convey here. I can see your passion, as well as your subjects passion. You have created a powerful story, and touched on an aspect of life that many of us can relate to, personal passion/obsession.</p>
<p>Your sense of composition is wonderful. I especially love 17, 20, and 22. </p>
<p>I have to agree with many of the comments here about the very high contrast . I&#8217;m afraid it is a trap that many young photographers fall into.</p>
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		<title>By: michael webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this much better on the first viewing and a little less on all the subsequent. What I like is the composition for images #2, #4, and #9; the tight focus on particular body parts as a narrative device and #24 -- I&#039;m a sucker for apartment buildings backed by dramatic skies. 

The story of men playing too hard at a sport they love well past the time they should have hung it up is not new. I think the photographer did a good job of avoiding most of the cliches (behind the net shot excepted). Still, like we see too often in similar stories, the entire exercise appears grim. There&#039;s nothing in the essay to show that these men get any joy from the game, which presumably they do. If not, fine. Otherwise, I&#039;d like to get more a sense of why they do it. 
 
Like other commenters, I am bothered by the extreme contrast, but for different reasons, perhaps. The contrast, I think, makes the essay appear far more dramatic than is justified by the content. One could suspect that the photographer doesn&#039;t have enough confidence in the story to let the photos communicate it on the merits of their content and composition. That&#039;s a shame because it&#039;s not a bad story and there&#039;s some excellent content and compositions. I think there&#039;s plenty of drama inherent in the story but suspect it would be better conveyed with a few more shades of grey. 

So those are my quibbles. Good work overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this much better on the first viewing and a little less on all the subsequent. What I like is the composition for images #2, #4, and #9; the tight focus on particular body parts as a narrative device and #24 &#8212; I&#8217;m a sucker for apartment buildings backed by dramatic skies. </p>
<p>The story of men playing too hard at a sport they love well past the time they should have hung it up is not new. I think the photographer did a good job of avoiding most of the cliches (behind the net shot excepted). Still, like we see too often in similar stories, the entire exercise appears grim. There&#8217;s nothing in the essay to show that these men get any joy from the game, which presumably they do. If not, fine. Otherwise, I&#8217;d like to get more a sense of why they do it. </p>
<p>Like other commenters, I am bothered by the extreme contrast, but for different reasons, perhaps. The contrast, I think, makes the essay appear far more dramatic than is justified by the content. One could suspect that the photographer doesn&#8217;t have enough confidence in the story to let the photos communicate it on the merits of their content and composition. That&#8217;s a shame because it&#8217;s not a bad story and there&#8217;s some excellent content and compositions. I think there&#8217;s plenty of drama inherent in the story but suspect it would be better conveyed with a few more shades of grey. </p>
<p>So those are my quibbles. Good work overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ghitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Ghitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dimitri, I really admire the way you see the world both visually and conceptually. Looks like you are on your way to becoming an really strong photographer. The work in progress on your site about rural life is great as well, though I&#039;d suggest making sure your toning is helping tell the stories in your images rather than competing with them. Form should follow function, in my opinion, rather than adding an artistic filter to give work a cohesive feel. Your storytelling may flow naturally without the use of a post-processing technique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dimitri, I really admire the way you see the world both visually and conceptually. Looks like you are on your way to becoming an really strong photographer. The work in progress on your site about rural life is great as well, though I&#8217;d suggest making sure your toning is helping tell the stories in your images rather than competing with them. Form should follow function, in my opinion, rather than adding an artistic filter to give work a cohesive feel. Your storytelling may flow naturally without the use of a post-processing technique.</p>
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		<title>By: jasmine.lux.</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasmine.lux.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 is my idea of a perfect shot. The whole essay was a delight to look at over and over, I think the vignetting and high contrast ADD to the essay, although it doesn&#039;t need additional enhancements. Wonderful compositions, tells a beautiful story, almost even poetic kind of photography. Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 is my idea of a perfect shot. The whole essay was a delight to look at over and over, I think the vignetting and high contrast ADD to the essay, although it doesn&#8217;t need additional enhancements. Wonderful compositions, tells a beautiful story, almost even poetic kind of photography. Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: pAtrIcIO m.</title>
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		<description>Hola Dimitri, the story about the players is really interesting, that they struggle every day for life, and the evening they play football. 
But, I agree that the vigneting and the High constrast is too much, and for me it doesn;t work. 
If you can go on with the essay, I mean if, it is a long term essay, just shoot some more portraits, like the one in the shower and also, shoot the enviroment of their daily lifes, before the training session. 

@Neven, si que importa la opinion de los demas...no solo la de DAH.

Thanks, Patricio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hola Dimitri, the story about the players is really interesting, that they struggle every day for life, and the evening they play football.<br />
But, I agree that the vigneting and the High constrast is too much, and for me it doesn;t work.<br />
If you can go on with the essay, I mean if, it is a long term essay, just shoot some more portraits, like the one in the shower and also, shoot the enviroment of their daily lifes, before the training session. </p>
<p>@Neven, si que importa la opinion de los demas&#8230;no solo la de DAH.</p>
<p>Thanks, Patricio</p>
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		<title>By: victor ben tzvi</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor ben tzvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dimitri... i like this work, some very good photographs, u certainly have a &quot;touch&quot;... there are some issues with the high contrast, but basically i like it, and i guess monitor-vs-monitor-vs-print is tricky enough.
out of interest, i also saw your website, and it is further convincing... i see u r very young, so it looks Very promising...
in this football essay, there are some images that are missing... i will not tell u what, but try to go deeper since those are not Real Madrid players, and their social/personal side included in the work may have an additional value... u say it in words, but try to bring it in photos, cause it is photo-essay i guess.

now, let me add something about your text, about journalsim/docu...
&quot;not about football&quot; - i know it sounds journalistically sexy to give such names to such stories... but do some deeper thought ... 
i have no doubts that most people in Real Madrid, from multi million euro players to team managers etc, are Enthusiasts of football... plus they are gifted and lucky.... these facts make their top football game &quot;not only football&quot; but a huge &quot;entertainment business&quot;.... 
it is in case of those people u photographed that it is &quot;all about football&quot;... cause they come after hard work as u say for their love to football (sport and social aspects etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dimitri&#8230; i like this work, some very good photographs, u certainly have a &#8220;touch&#8221;&#8230; there are some issues with the high contrast, but basically i like it, and i guess monitor-vs-monitor-vs-print is tricky enough.<br />
out of interest, i also saw your website, and it is further convincing&#8230; i see u r very young, so it looks Very promising&#8230;<br />
in this football essay, there are some images that are missing&#8230; i will not tell u what, but try to go deeper since those are not Real Madrid players, and their social/personal side included in the work may have an additional value&#8230; u say it in words, but try to bring it in photos, cause it is photo-essay i guess.</p>
<p>now, let me add something about your text, about journalsim/docu&#8230;<br />
&#8220;not about football&#8221; &#8211; i know it sounds journalistically sexy to give such names to such stories&#8230; but do some deeper thought &#8230;<br />
i have no doubts that most people in Real Madrid, from multi million euro players to team managers etc, are Enthusiasts of football&#8230; plus they are gifted and lucky&#8230;. these facts make their top football game &#8220;not only football&#8221; but a huge &#8220;entertainment business&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
it is in case of those people u photographed that it is &#8220;all about football&#8221;&#8230; cause they come after hard work as u say for their love to football (sport and social aspects etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Jon-Marc Seimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon-Marc Seimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I&#039;m new here (first post on Burn), and very impressed with the caliber of the work and the constructive nature and overall thoughtfulness of the comments. Refreshing!

One of the things that strikes me about Dmitri&#039;s essay - and quite a few others that I&#039;ve looked at - is how easily we fall into repeating visual tropes that have been laid down by earlier generations. The style (high-contrast, inky blacks etc) in this essay evokes some of Josef Koudelka&#039;s early work, for example, and very much the work of Daido Moriyama in the 60s in Japan. At the time, there was something powerful, new and deeply impactful about the technique itself - it helped to show us something we hadn&#039;t really seen before, married to compelling content. 

What I fear (too strong a word, really) is that by employing techniques that carry such emphatic baggage, we&#039;re actually encouraging our audiences to adopt the mindsets that those techniques imply. It&#039;s difficult to look at these photographs of weekend soccer players, for example, without immediately making assumptions about the epic nature of their life-and-death struggle, etc. We&#039;re being thrust into those assumptions. What results is perhaps a diminished, one dimensional view into what is undoubtedly a rich, multifaceted world.

I don&#039;t want to be too harsh on you Dmitri - your images have a tremendous graphic impact and vitality, and it&#039;s a very strong body of work. But I wonder if maybe you bring a little less &quot;photographic history&quot; into the work next time, and allow the story to define the technique a bit more? Let&#039;s face it - if you&#039;re shooting RAW, you can decide what &quot;film&quot; to load in the camera after the fact! In some respects I&#039;d love to see the exact same images processed radically differently (if you shot on film - well, good for you, and my point is moot).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I&#8217;m new here (first post on Burn), and very impressed with the caliber of the work and the constructive nature and overall thoughtfulness of the comments. Refreshing!</p>
<p>One of the things that strikes me about Dmitri&#8217;s essay &#8211; and quite a few others that I&#8217;ve looked at &#8211; is how easily we fall into repeating visual tropes that have been laid down by earlier generations. The style (high-contrast, inky blacks etc) in this essay evokes some of Josef Koudelka&#8217;s early work, for example, and very much the work of Daido Moriyama in the 60s in Japan. At the time, there was something powerful, new and deeply impactful about the technique itself &#8211; it helped to show us something we hadn&#8217;t really seen before, married to compelling content. </p>
<p>What I fear (too strong a word, really) is that by employing techniques that carry such emphatic baggage, we&#8217;re actually encouraging our audiences to adopt the mindsets that those techniques imply. It&#8217;s difficult to look at these photographs of weekend soccer players, for example, without immediately making assumptions about the epic nature of their life-and-death struggle, etc. We&#8217;re being thrust into those assumptions. What results is perhaps a diminished, one dimensional view into what is undoubtedly a rich, multifaceted world.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to be too harsh on you Dmitri &#8211; your images have a tremendous graphic impact and vitality, and it&#8217;s a very strong body of work. But I wonder if maybe you bring a little less &#8220;photographic history&#8221; into the work next time, and allow the story to define the technique a bit more? Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; if you&#8217;re shooting RAW, you can decide what &#8220;film&#8221; to load in the camera after the fact! In some respects I&#8217;d love to see the exact same images processed radically differently (if you shot on film &#8211; well, good for you, and my point is moot).</p>
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		<title>By: neven grujic</title>
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		<dc:creator>neven grujic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>en hora buena dimitri!
las fotos son muy buenas y macanta la edicion. vi un poco tu web y sigue por delante con tus proyectos.
creo que eres el fotografo mas joven que a publicado en BURN.
un saludo
p.s. no importa mucho las opiñones de gente , lo que importa es que a david alan harvey te a dado una gran opurtunidad a nivel mundial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>en hora buena dimitri!<br />
las fotos son muy buenas y macanta la edicion. vi un poco tu web y sigue por delante con tus proyectos.<br />
creo que eres el fotografo mas joven que a publicado en BURN.<br />
un saludo<br />
p.s. no importa mucho las opiñones de gente , lo que importa es que a david alan harvey te a dado una gran opurtunidad a nivel mundial.</p>
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