Comments on: paul russell – beside the sea https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Wed, 07 Sep 2016 08:29:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: Ross Nolly https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36839 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:42:20 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36839 Paul;

As soon as I saw this the thought that immediately struck me was that it was a “visual” chapter of Bill Bryson’s, “Notes from a Small Island”!

I really like the sense of space you’ve given everything. I’ve never been to the UK, but as a NZer have an affinity for the place, through family members living there, people from the UK now in the family, and of course TV programmes like Coro!!! I’ve often thought that visiting the seaside holiday towns (especially the “faded” ones; Morecambe etc) in the off season would make a wonderful essay.

An as an aside; I reckon the Brits “do” eccentricity better than anyone else in the world. Believe me that is not a derogatory statement, but a huge compliment in this world of “sameness”

Congratulations on this work, I love it. Thank you for allowing it to be shown

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By: david bowen https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36432 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:48:12 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36432 ah ha.. yes.. there was confusion as i remember it.. :ø)

shame to have not met – this work is such a treat and i could have tried to blag a print swap out of you, so i could have a little piece of home on my norwegian-wood walls.

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By: Paul Russell https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36403 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:45:13 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36403 David — the couple of emails that I missed were just arrangements to meet up in London, which is why I was totally confused as to what was going on when I actually got the third one. I’m pretty sure I have binned them all now!

BTW, I’m sorry if my replies seem a little cursory. I looked at Burn on Sunday evening and the essay had just gone up. The next time I had a chance to properly sit down and reply there were over 60 comments. I read them carefully but the brevity of my replies reflects the desire to reply in a reasonable timespan of the essay going up coupled with my general tongue-tied-ness. As F R David said “Words don’t come easy”…

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By: david bowen https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36394 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:07:15 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36394 ¨** David Bowen
“yes, really funny stuff and apart from being very well observed it’s refreshing to see a different take from the usual tacky British seaside desolate during winter type stuff.”
Thanks David. (By the way, I found another one of your emails from a while back in my BT Internet spamguard online folder. I’ve turned the stupid thing off now.)¨

paul – how funny.. reply if you can – would be interested to read it since i guess it was a while ago now..

fantastic you have taken the time to reply to, i think, every pertinent comment..

respect
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By: Akaky https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36293 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:22:31 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36293 AKAKY: I dont think talking to yourself is such a bad thing.

AKAKY IRL: That’s because you’re a moron.

AKAKY: You know, I can always count on you, guy.

AKAKY IRL: No problem.

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By: Jeff Mandell https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36292 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:19:35 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36292 Taking all the comments above into account, I just have to say these images are terrific, and they hold up really well as a body of work. Whether it’s the English resort and those who go there or just Paul’s excellent eye, I find it a unique and thoughtful take on a subject shot by so many photographers before (including me, here in Los Angeles).
I also think they’re more than fun. They draw me in, and make me want to know more about the people I’m viewing. And speaking of viewing, I can’t get over how well these images reproduce on a calibrated display. I don’t know what’s making the difference, but they really pop.
Well done.

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By: jared iorio https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36278 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:12:04 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36278 Good for you, Paul. There’s no reason NOT to mix it up.

Kind of wish this is the first time I saw these. I saw most of them as singles or in mini-sets — like the Punch and Judy. Wonder if I would have the same thoughts about the rhythm if I hadn’t.

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By: Paul Russell https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36271 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:46:00 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36271 ** Paul Treacy
“There’s genius in them there pictures. Utterly wow! You and I should meet sometime.”
Thanks – that would be good.
“On a technical note, are your images 4:3 ratio? What are you shooting with?”
No, they’re from the Nikon D70 – they should all be 1.5 (3:2)!

** Ian Aitken

“Sand in the sandwiches, wasps in the tea, Sun on our bathing dresses heavy with the wet, Squelch of the bladder-wrack waiting for the sea, Fleas around the tamarisk, an early cigarette”
Wasps, oh no…

*** bblack
“Humor that is without cynicism or irony or pretense, but genuine wonder and joy. this essay is filled with this quality.”
That is exactly what I’m often after, so that’s good. Thanks Bob, I enjoyed reading your comments.

** john
“Not being even a remote fan of the style (and even less of bread and butter english people) I can still clearly see that it is put together pretty well and has all the makings of a book/article written all over it.”
Ha ha! Thanks John (really)!

** Matt McInnis
“I love the style. The compositions are interesting and have layers of meaning and symbolism.”
Thanks Matt
“some of the photographs might be better composed if you got closer to the subject, #1 and #15 for instance” – I’ve got to disagree with those two examples.
“Other photographs have great subject matter but seem to be awkwardly composed (#3)” – but agree that no. 3 in an ideal world would be different…

** Anthony R.Z
“I would like to see more stronger images.”
Me too!

** erica mcdonald
“A very pleasant series to see first thing in the morning, your images create very strongly a sense of place and mood.”
Thanks Erica, I will continue looking…

** young tom
Thanks. Although what are “#12s”?

** Thanks August, Yosoynacho, Nir Alon

** David Bowen
“yes, really funny stuff and apart from being very well observed it’s refreshing to see a different take from the usual tacky British seaside desolate during winter type stuff.”
Thanks David. (By the way, I found another one of your emails from a while back in my BT Internet spamguard online folder. I’ve turned the stupid thing off now.)

** Mike Berube, Marc davidson, Zaida Sofía Granados – ta for the comments.

** jared iorio
Hi Jared. It’s quite hard to sequence the busy ones, and looking at them now in the cold light of day, yes, there are hiccups. At some point I will get a lot of little prints done and juggle them around. I’m not too precious about the photos included at a given time – there’s a few central photos that I would never drop – but it’s nice to give a run out to different pictures at different times. I’ve been lucky enough to have a few solo shows of the seaside pictures, and I made a point of choosing a different selection when I had the option. Some might consider that slapdash but I like to mix things up… Of course a book would be a definitive edit and then I probably would go crazy deciding the photos and the order.

** richard
Hi Richard. Poole’s one of those jinxed places that I have wandered around many times without really coming away with any good shots. Not sea-related, but generally. Parkstone I don’t know at all. It looks like there are interesting areas between Bournemouth and Poole but I’ve never got off the train at Branksome or Parkstone to explore.

** Ludmilla, Partha Pal, Sean – Hi, and cheers for the encouraging words.

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By: erica mcdonald https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36266 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:59:58 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36266 PAUL

no comment on my comment..does that mean that I am off base, and that these are as successful as you had envisioned?

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By: Paul Russell https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36245 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:44:58 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36245 Joni

You can shoot children bathing if you want — I’ll take the long shots of you getting lynched!

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By: Joni Karanka https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36244 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:39:51 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36244 Paul, yes, it’s the New Park Liberal Club on 155 City Road.

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By: Joni Karanka https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36243 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:39:00 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36243 Paul Russell: “On a depressing practical note though, I think that if you tried to do a project in the vein of Parr’s “The Last Resort” now in the UK, you would probably last about 10 minutes before being attacked…”

Paul, are you trying to tell me that shooting children bathing and eating ice-cream has gone out of fashion?

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By: Paul Russell https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36241 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:18:59 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36241 Thanks for all the comments. Unfortunately, I didn’t get much chance to get near a computer on Monday so just belatedly going through them…

** Kathleen Fonseca
Again, so glad you enjoyed them. Yes, it’s an interesting task to make photos from a distance and still retain enough human interest to make them work. Or not! I can understand it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, and has stirred up a bit of debate.

** Sidney Atkins
“Let me join the chorus… delightful!” – thanks Sidney

** Rafal Pruszynski
“I would argue that Capa had MUCH more in mind when he made that statement [“get closer”], less about the actual physical distance to the subject, more about the emotional or intellectual distance … But Capa was close to his subject, which was war, because that’s what he lived and breathed. He was committed, he didn’t just pop in to Europe for a bit and snap some shots and then on to something totally different.”

Hi Rafal. Interesting thoughts. Whether it’s physical distance or emotional I think there’s room for a range of approaches. “he didn’t just pop in to Europe for a bit” – ha ha. On a depressing practical note though, I think that if you tried to do a project in the vein of Parr’s “The Last Resort” now in the UK, you would probably last about 10 minutes before being attacked…

** Thanks Wendy, Carrie, Ian, Erik, Audrey (as I mentioned, I really enjoyed your essay)

** Ziskar
“… I’m sure that others might have noticed the apparent influence, subject similarity and wit of approach, with Tony-Ray Jones photographs who back at the sixties, begining seventies, have long and discernmently, photographed the English at the seaside.”

Ziskar. Yes, I do enjoy Ray-Jones’ photos. The photos were taken using a 35 mm lens on the Nikon D70 (i.e. 52mm in 35mm terms – a bit long for “conventional” street photography but good for landscapes) but also the kit zoom that came with the camera so, yes, there are a range of focal lengths used, which I understand is another variable that can create inconsistency.

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By: Paul Russell https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36238 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:26:37 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36238 ** Mike R
“Please keep it up – and follow Capa – get closer. It’s not easy; at first: but the more you talk the more you can photograph. The more you photograph, the more people ignore you. Take my advice Paul (I won’t) and follow your subjects home.”

Hi Mike. Thanks – I see that your “get closer” comments have stirred up a bit of debate. I understand how some people might find the mid-distance, “figures in a landscape” view a bit uninvolving for this series. I do sometimes “get closer” in photography but for this series I’m happy to be an observer for various reason. (By the way, as quite a few shots are taken on a raised prom overlooking the beach or at the water’s edge, physically getting closer would also involve getting wetter or getting airborne! I know what you mean though, I am just joking…)

** Joe
“never does it ever trip over into garish”

Good. That was one of my main goals.

“Just to balance things a bit, i do think the framing of some of the images seems to fall into the street photography trap … image three makes me think this a bit, as does image ten, ironically for both those images i think the shot was lower and to the right”

I agree that image 3 with the snorkel could be better – there was a low fence in front of the café that stopped me shooting lower (or maybe I just fouled up). Usually those sort of things irritate me too much to let the shot live, but the rest of the shot just tipped the balance. Image 10 also I sort of agree.

“i’d love to hear you’re keen to extend this project with the same subject matter, but with an edit of more images like fourteen, images with a haunting feeling of ambiguity to it, verses ironic humour”

Well, I like ambiguity – I think no. 18 has some of that as well…

** Thanks Max, Sofia, Anne

** Matt
“Very enjoyable seeing your work in this format. I think your city work would be just as comfortable here. Image 17 here is my favourite (and one I hadn’t seen before), just bizarre! Can’t wait for the book.”

Matt. Some of the ones that people find bizarre don’t strike me as such until people point it out. Thanks.

** Angela Bacon-Kidwell
“I would love to see more”

Thanks Angela. There are longer/alternate edits, etc. on my website.

** Jackie – thank you

** James Chance
“Fun playful images. A little disengaged… no interaction with your subjects, but this is obviously how you intended the project. Each image is a great little individual scene, with its characters paying out in your frame. I like that the images are all technically very similar with quite muted tones and flat light (very obviously England!) its ties the piece together nicely.”

Thanks James. As well as the muted light, all but one photo was taken with the Nikon D70, which has quite muted colours as well…

** Peter Grant and John L – ta for your kind words

** Eric Espinosa
“There are maybe 2/3 pictures that sort of appear “more serious” that you could edit out in my view but these are aesthetically your better shots so I am not even sure….
So brilliantly Bristish and, despite coming from a French man, I mean this as a genuine compliment :):):)”

Ha ha. Thanks Eric. Yes, I am English. I think the serious ones are useful though, especially near the end where the photos are “out of season”.

** Gordon Lafleur – thank you, sir.

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By: Sean https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36212 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:45:37 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36212 I dig it mate. I like the approach of not trying too hard. Your photographs seem really honest. And I believe honesty is the most important aspect of someone’s work. We all have influences, and we will use them and then depart from them. Its all in the game. Keep going. As I said, I dig it.

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By: Partha Pal https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36186 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:45:21 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36186 Hi Paul,
The most important things of your project to me are………..
1. The simplistic approach.
2. The variation of the different activities of the people at different time.
3. The touch of the people represents the daily life wonderfully.

Keep going my friend.
Looking forward for another good project.
Regards.

Partha Pal
from Birbhum

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By: Ludmilla https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36182 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:40:34 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36182 Very nice Paul!

Glad to see it here. ;-)

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By: richard https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36181 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:12:50 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36181 Nice one Paul.

Ive seen most of your images previously. Seeing them now laid out in an essay with an order really adds to them. Thats an impressive collection of an area I know very well. I grew up in Parkstone Poole and will be over next week, will keep an eye out for you along the beach front!

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By: jared iorio https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36179 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:41:56 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36179 I love Paul’s work, there were a few here I had never seen before and liked (where’ve they been hiding?) and just a couple that broke the rhythm for me a little.

All in all a great set, well shot — glad it found an outlet.

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By: Ross Nolly https://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/04/paul-russell-beside-the-sea/#comment-36177 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:30:27 +0000 http://www.burnmagazine.org/?p=1381#comment-36177 Paul;

As soon as I saw this the thought that immediately struck me was that it was a “visual” chapter of Bill Bryson’s, “Notes from a Small Island”!

I really like the sense of space you’ve given everything. I’ve never been to the UK, but as a NZer have an affinity for the place, through family members living there, people from the UK now in the family, and of course TV programmes like Coro!!! I’ve often thought that visiting the seaside holiday towns (especially the “faded” ones; Morecambe etc) in the off season would make a wonderful essay.

An as an aside; I reckon the Brits “do” eccentricity better than anyone else in the world. Believe me that is not a derogatory statement, but a huge compliment in this world of “sameness”

Congratulations on this work, I love it. Thank you for allowing it to be shown.

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