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	<title>Comments on: mark unrau &#8211; china train</title>
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		<title>By: helene</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-28886</link>
		<dc:creator>helene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This image simply stops time. Like a pause much needed.
For this I am deeply grateful for..
Thank you Mark!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This image simply stops time. Like a pause much needed.<br />
For this I am deeply grateful for..<br />
Thank you Mark!</p>
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		<title>By: Lassal</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-28499</link>
		<dc:creator>Lassal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was the other essay from Pellegrin I was talking about. Finally found it.
ttp://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/access-life-mali]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the other essay from Pellegrin I was talking about. Finally found it.<br />
ttp://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/access-life-mali</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Unrau</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Unrau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I&#039;m glad I got a big response to this photograph.  There is a couple things I would like to mention about the caption and the process of the image.  I mentioned that this train in controversial.  I didn&#039;t feel the need to explain more as I am not an expert on the politics of the situation and I feel that by at least mentioning it; if one were to be inspired to investigate they would find lots of information out there from more authoritative sources.  In short though, the reason that the train interests me most on a political level is how this will influence Lhasa and the Tibetan way of life.  Many Tibetans that I know are against the train.  They feel that it will bring more Chinese into Lhasa speeding up the homogenization of their culture with the Chinese.  There is a large number of Tibetans who still want a free independent Tibet.  China&#039;s intentions are very clear that they are using the train to unify Tibet with the rest of China. 

The image is selective in color.  The shot was made with the Canon 5D and I turned it into B&amp;W.  I masked through to the original color image to bring her skin tone back to her face.  I did this for purely aesthetic reasons.  I had no intention to stick closely to any photojournalist line of ethics.  For publication with a newspaper or any source that requires different guidelines, I have a black and white and color version ready to use.  One of my favorite photographs by W. Eugene Smith, &quot;The Wake&quot; (1950) shows a woman in the center staring at the deceased.  In fact during the exposure of the image she was looking at the photographer.  Mr. Smith later re-directed her gaze to the deceased through dodging and burning.  knowing this never distracted me away from the truth of the image for me and my appreciation.  Its always been an interesting debate concerning image manipulation.  Even making a lens choice is in one manner manipulating the moment a photographer captures.  As for my image,  I&#039;m glad many like it and have made a connection personally with it.  Photography for me is meant to move people emotionally in any manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m glad I got a big response to this photograph.  There is a couple things I would like to mention about the caption and the process of the image.  I mentioned that this train in controversial.  I didn&#8217;t feel the need to explain more as I am not an expert on the politics of the situation and I feel that by at least mentioning it; if one were to be inspired to investigate they would find lots of information out there from more authoritative sources.  In short though, the reason that the train interests me most on a political level is how this will influence Lhasa and the Tibetan way of life.  Many Tibetans that I know are against the train.  They feel that it will bring more Chinese into Lhasa speeding up the homogenization of their culture with the Chinese.  There is a large number of Tibetans who still want a free independent Tibet.  China&#8217;s intentions are very clear that they are using the train to unify Tibet with the rest of China. </p>
<p>The image is selective in color.  The shot was made with the Canon 5D and I turned it into B&amp;W.  I masked through to the original color image to bring her skin tone back to her face.  I did this for purely aesthetic reasons.  I had no intention to stick closely to any photojournalist line of ethics.  For publication with a newspaper or any source that requires different guidelines, I have a black and white and color version ready to use.  One of my favorite photographs by W. Eugene Smith, &#8220;The Wake&#8221; (1950) shows a woman in the center staring at the deceased.  In fact during the exposure of the image she was looking at the photographer.  Mr. Smith later re-directed her gaze to the deceased through dodging and burning.  knowing this never distracted me away from the truth of the image for me and my appreciation.  Its always been an interesting debate concerning image manipulation.  Even making a lens choice is in one manner manipulating the moment a photographer captures.  As for my image,  I&#8217;m glad many like it and have made a connection personally with it.  Photography for me is meant to move people emotionally in any manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Velibor Bozovic</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27117</link>
		<dc:creator>Velibor Bozovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know you were NOT trying to put the words in my mouth Joe. I never thought you did, otherwise I wouldn&#039;t discuss anything with you...

Thanks for the comment, there will be more entries but the blog is not my priority at the moment.

Best,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you were NOT trying to put the words in my mouth Joe. I never thought you did, otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t discuss anything with you&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, there will be more entries but the blog is not my priority at the moment.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
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		<title>By: audrey bardou</title>
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		<dc:creator>audrey bardou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I badly expressed myself, I am for comments, and I respect the fact that they like or that they don&#039;t like  series, but sometimes, the criticisms are nasty and not constructive... but maybe it is my bad English and I do not indeed understand all

best, audrey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I badly expressed myself, I am for comments, and I respect the fact that they like or that they don&#8217;t like  series, but sometimes, the criticisms are nasty and not constructive&#8230; but maybe it is my bad English and I do not indeed understand all</p>
<p>best, audrey</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear you Velibor :-)  i wasn&#039;t tring to put words in your mouth, just advocate the benefit of discussion.  By the way, i really enjoyed the images on your blog, exactly the kind of moody images i wish i could more easily make, i was only sad to see so few entries :-) -Joe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Velibor :-)  i wasn&#8217;t tring to put words in your mouth, just advocate the benefit of discussion.  By the way, i really enjoyed the images on your blog, exactly the kind of moody images i wish i could more easily make, i was only sad to see so few entries :-) -Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Velibor Bozovic</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27074</link>
		<dc:creator>Velibor Bozovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, Stefan... This is what I said: &quot;I understand people leaving comments here but I can’t understand why many feel that everyone should fall for the same thing.&quot; 
I have no problem with comments, obviously there should be comments since there is a link that says &quot;comments&quot;, but expecting that all of us (thousands perhaps) should like the work or not like the work for the same reasons is well... unreasonable. 
This is how it works for me Joe... I look at the work first, than I read the comments if I have time. But not once I changed my mind, in regards to my initial feelings about the work because someone said this or that. In fact, I don&#039;t think any of you changed your mind because someone&#039;s comment. Therefore I find it pointless commenting here that the work should be done like this or like that. The only person that might (maybe but maybe not) care about such comments is the author of the work. SO, my comments of that sort (if I have any) go directly to his email account. That is all.

However, having said all of that, I really enjoy reading all of this:-)

David... Have you seen my question regarding the &quot;multimedia&quot; submission? The way the submission page is set up it doesn&#039;t work for &quot;multimedia&quot; submissions. If you provide an email address where we should send the authorization for you to look at the work that we upload somewhere online, than you could see the work... For example, I just uploaded something to Vimeo page and it is &quot;private&quot;, I can share it with you but need an email address to send the authorization to. Perhaps that could be the way to submit these &quot;video&quot; pieces?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, Stefan&#8230; This is what I said: &#8220;I understand people leaving comments here but I can’t understand why many feel that everyone should fall for the same thing.&#8221;<br />
I have no problem with comments, obviously there should be comments since there is a link that says &#8220;comments&#8221;, but expecting that all of us (thousands perhaps) should like the work or not like the work for the same reasons is well&#8230; unreasonable.<br />
This is how it works for me Joe&#8230; I look at the work first, than I read the comments if I have time. But not once I changed my mind, in regards to my initial feelings about the work because someone said this or that. In fact, I don&#8217;t think any of you changed your mind because someone&#8217;s comment. Therefore I find it pointless commenting here that the work should be done like this or like that. The only person that might (maybe but maybe not) care about such comments is the author of the work. SO, my comments of that sort (if I have any) go directly to his email account. That is all.</p>
<p>However, having said all of that, I really enjoy reading all of this:-)</p>
<p>David&#8230; Have you seen my question regarding the &#8220;multimedia&#8221; submission? The way the submission page is set up it doesn&#8217;t work for &#8220;multimedia&#8221; submissions. If you provide an email address where we should send the authorization for you to look at the work that we upload somewhere online, than you could see the work&#8230; For example, I just uploaded something to Vimeo page and it is &#8220;private&#8221;, I can share it with you but need an email address to send the authorization to. Perhaps that could be the way to submit these &#8220;video&#8221; pieces?</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27069</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcin, to say what the woman is thinking is less far fetched for you? We have absolutely no idea, nor of what she thinks, nor how she feels. It&#039;s our own interpretation, our own feelings we talk about.

If I read the caption I see the word &#039;controversial&#039;. That, combined with my own knowledge of the Chinese/Tibetan situation lead me to think what I wrote. Of course nobody has to agree with it, nor do I think that the photographer was going for it.

I don&#039;t think that we need &#039;super&#039; (whatever that means) or poignant pictures decipting a situation, sometimes also subtler ones work. Depends of course on the knowledge of the viewer about a certain subject.

Thanks for your thoughts :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcin, to say what the woman is thinking is less far fetched for you? We have absolutely no idea, nor of what she thinks, nor how she feels. It&#8217;s our own interpretation, our own feelings we talk about.</p>
<p>If I read the caption I see the word &#8216;controversial&#8217;. That, combined with my own knowledge of the Chinese/Tibetan situation lead me to think what I wrote. Of course nobody has to agree with it, nor do I think that the photographer was going for it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that we need &#8216;super&#8217; (whatever that means) or poignant pictures decipting a situation, sometimes also subtler ones work. Depends of course on the knowledge of the viewer about a certain subject.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts :)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi David, 

of course everyone will strive to make happen any change to this existing format optimistically, and of course the cup is always going to be half full... but there is a swell of energy unique to this place and this space that is entirely instigated by the images and essays.

i hope any alternative to this existing feature will allow this energy to be rechanneled with the same degree of intensity :-)

Best Wishes,

Joe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, </p>
<p>of course everyone will strive to make happen any change to this existing format optimistically, and of course the cup is always going to be half full&#8230; but there is a swell of energy unique to this place and this space that is entirely instigated by the images and essays.</p>
<p>i hope any alternative to this existing feature will allow this energy to be rechanneled with the same degree of intensity :-)</p>
<p>Best Wishes,</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Rohner</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27062</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Rohner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Velibor, I understand what you say and want to ask: why there is a comment function here? if we should send our thoughts to the photographer directly... 

;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Velibor, I understand what you say and want to ask: why there is a comment function here? if we should send our thoughts to the photographer directly&#8230; </p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: david b</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27054</link>
		<dc:creator>david b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[straight PJ work aside, selective black and white in a photo can work out well.. it may not be my taste, if it´s in the pallet of possible manipulations and can add to a photograph then it´s fair play to me... dodge and burn.. so on..
in this case i would rather have seen the colour outside.. just me.

happy new year all.. hope your christmas and new year was good..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>straight PJ work aside, selective black and white in a photo can work out well.. it may not be my taste, if it´s in the pallet of possible manipulations and can add to a photograph then it´s fair play to me&#8230; dodge and burn.. so on..<br />
in this case i would rather have seen the colour outside.. just me.</p>
<p>happy new year all.. hope your christmas and new year was good..</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There isn&#039;t enough work being done that could be featured in BURN that you need to solicit material created specifically for the magazine? The danger is that the relationship between the magazine and those so solicited becomes incestuous, and you end up with &quot;BURN photography,&quot; like there is &quot;NatGeo Photography.&quot;

As for changing the format and not &quot;subjecting&quot; essays or singles to comments directly, I find the current format the most interesting thing about BURN. Otherwise you end up with just another online photography magazine. It&#039;s the in-the-face interactivity that I find interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t enough work being done that could be featured in BURN that you need to solicit material created specifically for the magazine? The danger is that the relationship between the magazine and those so solicited becomes incestuous, and you end up with &#8220;BURN photography,&#8221; like there is &#8220;NatGeo Photography.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for changing the format and not &#8220;subjecting&#8221; essays or singles to comments directly, I find the current format the most interesting thing about BURN. Otherwise you end up with just another online photography magazine. It&#8217;s the in-the-face interactivity that I find interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Treacy</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27052</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Treacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My suggestion would be to ditch the comments facility. Discussion of the work should take place on a blog, linked but separate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suggestion would be to ditch the comments facility. Discussion of the work should take place on a blog, linked but separate.</p>
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		<title>By: marcin luczkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27051</link>
		<dc:creator>marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27050</link>
		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VELIBOR...

you make such a good point...and while you are making this point, i was in fact considering the wisdom of having  featured essays or singles subjected to comments at all....normally in a magazine it is fine to have a blog where readers can comment, but to have specific pictures or essays directly blogged may not be such a good idea...the amount of  original content created specifically for BURN is going to grow...whether or not the discussion remains as is will be decided soonest....

cheers, david]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VELIBOR&#8230;</p>
<p>you make such a good point&#8230;and while you are making this point, i was in fact considering the wisdom of having  featured essays or singles subjected to comments at all&#8230;.normally in a magazine it is fine to have a blog where readers can comment, but to have specific pictures or essays directly blogged may not be such a good idea&#8230;the amount of  original content created specifically for BURN is going to grow&#8230;whether or not the discussion remains as is will be decided soonest&#8230;.</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[‘Know Thy Self’ philosophy is of course valuable, it&#039;s no surprise that Socrates subscribed to it as well,... but if you’re interested in the art of communication, like photography inherently is, then outward thinking philosophies are equally important Marcin ;-)  teasing you of course. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Know Thy Self’ philosophy is of course valuable, it&#8217;s no surprise that Socrates subscribed to it as well,&#8230; but if you’re interested in the art of communication, like photography inherently is, then outward thinking philosophies are equally important Marcin ;-)  teasing you of course. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: marcin luczkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/essays/2009/01/china-train-by-mark-unrau/comment-page-1/#comment-27048</link>
		<dc:creator>marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;or should we just accept the images here as dogma?&quot;

Joe

I have to say that I represent my own modern vision of solipsyzm. I hope it will give you answer for your question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;or should we just accept the images here as dogma?&#8221;</p>
<p>Joe</p>
<p>I have to say that I represent my own modern vision of solipsyzm. I hope it will give you answer for your question.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem Ross, thanks for putting me straight; I didn&#039;t check my bookmarks. It&#039;s no use pointing people to a photographer and giving a link to the wrong website!

Best wishes,

Mike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Ross, thanks for putting me straight; I didn&#8217;t check my bookmarks. It&#8217;s no use pointing people to a photographer and giving a link to the wrong website!</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s requesting any author to correct anything Joni, just explore it... 

everyone&#039;s heard the quote &lt;i&gt;“The unexamined life is not worth living.”&lt;/i&gt; ...Socrates said it.  does everyone know the circumstance of him saying this?
 
he said this at his own trial for heresy.  Socrates was actually on trial for what we would later celebrate to be the Socratic Method.   Because Socrates encouraged his students to challenge the accepted beliefs (much as we are doing now) he was actually sentenced to death.  he carried out his own execution by drinking Hemlock Poison.

even when Socrates was offered exile, he still felt death was better than a life ‘unexamined’.  One of Socrates students was Plato, and one of Plato’s students was Aristotle; each were members of communities not entirely different than this, each with loads of questions, and i suppose sometimes they participated themselves, and other times they were in the room when others asked questions, that when answered would lift their own ideas or help them to better shape a more important next question.

now i don’t think we should all be philosophers, but is it silly to suggest we should all behave like students while we participate here on Burn?  

or should we just accept the images here as dogma? should we just accept them as Joni has mentioned to have an ‘Authority’?  Should we, as Joni suggested in the past, kill off the comments under the images and the essays and reduce the chance for challenge and discussion?  

i know Joni and others may base their no-commments feelings based on the concept of a printed &#039;magazine&#039; but the concept of a magazine has to be enlarged to the concept of a community of readers AND members, the concept of pictures in a magazine has to be expanded to a concept of participation.  You can find loads of traditional magazine concepts over here:

http://www.magazinedeathpool.com/magazine_death_pool/

i guess i hope we don’t accept things as the &#039;authority&#039; once they show up here. i hope we challenge everything about them, especially if it relates to the prevailing wisdom.  maybe some of those challenges will lead down a dead-end street, but most won&#039;t.

and luckily no one will force David to drink Hemlock for putting us up to this effort.

just my opinion of course.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s requesting any author to correct anything Joni, just explore it&#8230; </p>
<p>everyone&#8217;s heard the quote <i>“The unexamined life is not worth living.”</i> &#8230;Socrates said it.  does everyone know the circumstance of him saying this?</p>
<p>he said this at his own trial for heresy.  Socrates was actually on trial for what we would later celebrate to be the Socratic Method.   Because Socrates encouraged his students to challenge the accepted beliefs (much as we are doing now) he was actually sentenced to death.  he carried out his own execution by drinking Hemlock Poison.</p>
<p>even when Socrates was offered exile, he still felt death was better than a life ‘unexamined’.  One of Socrates students was Plato, and one of Plato’s students was Aristotle; each were members of communities not entirely different than this, each with loads of questions, and i suppose sometimes they participated themselves, and other times they were in the room when others asked questions, that when answered would lift their own ideas or help them to better shape a more important next question.</p>
<p>now i don’t think we should all be philosophers, but is it silly to suggest we should all behave like students while we participate here on Burn?  </p>
<p>or should we just accept the images here as dogma? should we just accept them as Joni has mentioned to have an ‘Authority’?  Should we, as Joni suggested in the past, kill off the comments under the images and the essays and reduce the chance for challenge and discussion?  </p>
<p>i know Joni and others may base their no-commments feelings based on the concept of a printed &#8216;magazine&#8217; but the concept of a magazine has to be enlarged to the concept of a community of readers AND members, the concept of pictures in a magazine has to be expanded to a concept of participation.  You can find loads of traditional magazine concepts over here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.magazinedeathpool.com/magazine_death_pool/" rel="nofollow">http://www.magazinedeathpool.com/magazine_death_pool/</a></p>
<p>i guess i hope we don’t accept things as the &#8216;authority&#8217; once they show up here. i hope we challenge everything about them, especially if it relates to the prevailing wisdom.  maybe some of those challenges will lead down a dead-end street, but most won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>and luckily no one will force David to drink Hemlock for putting us up to this effort.</p>
<p>just my opinion of course.</p>
<p>..</p>
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		<title>By: Davin Ellicson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davin Ellicson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jean, 

I think I agree about the selective desaturation (leaving color in the woman&#039;s face). However, I am a fan of desaturation of color throughout an image. Pieter Ten Hoopen does it quite well: http://www.agencevu.com/photographers/photographer.php?id=167]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean, </p>
<p>I think I agree about the selective desaturation (leaving color in the woman&#8217;s face). However, I am a fan of desaturation of color throughout an image. Pieter Ten Hoopen does it quite well: <a href="http://www.agencevu.com/photographers/photographer.php?id=167" rel="nofollow">http://www.agencevu.com/photographers/photographer.php?id=167</a></p>
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