Maria Burns is my next door neighbor…literally….and a photographer….and an erstwhile student at the International Center of Photography here in New York….Maria is Swiss and a finer neighbor one could not have…i just took this picture tonight after returning to NYC from the Carolina shore…..so i was leaving home and coming home at the same time…..as happens here in the Kibbutz, folks just pop their heads in to say howdy…mighty small town feel the Kibbutz…..so just as i was trying to edit something for Burn, in walks Maria….
saying that she couldn’t stay long, because she ,”i have to do my homework”….
in any case, what would you do?? yes, damn right, you take a picture….any old picture..right??
now i want at some point in time to photograph Maria seriously for the “You Made Me Leave” book i am doing…this was just a “warm up” picture…a print to give to Maria…..neither of us is “loose enough yet” for the real thing…but, this is part of the process….and i will show you what eventually comes out of it….
by the way, Maria is a professional “hugger” (see YouTube link below)….i think we could all use one….
what is the point of this post???
why am i not announcing the EPF grant finalists?
yes, ok ok , i will announce the EPF finalists soonest…i am not trying to tease, i am just behind…so, my usual plea for patience will i hope not fall on deaf ears….i should be able to announce the finalists to be juried for the EPF by next week…so, that will be my next post under Dialogue….
well, there really is not much point to this post except it is just in the spirit of “journal” or “diary”…and i have a pretty good photo diary of snapshots of family and friends as above from the time i was 13 to just a few minutes ago when i made this photo…and maybe i just wanted some excuse to write tonight and keep it “light tonight” on our forum…while our number one preoccupation is viewing the work of some young photographers here on Burn, the phenomenon of Burn is that so many of us have become such good friends in “real life”…our virtual world has become the real world…cool huh?? …and something that none of us know about yet will happen here on BURN and with our community and the work produced…
we are going to have a tiny little notch in photo history….i believe in that kinda stuff….
i think there are few of us who do not feel the magic in full throttle ,thundering down the road….and while there has never been an intent here to create some kind of social site, the BURN crowd exists in reality …. worldwide…many of you reading this know this to be absolute…of course the writers here form a bit of a dysfunctional family…pretty obvious….doors get slammed……arguing is heard…..yet, the laughter is raucous….life/photoraphy is talked about in a special way…the best of Burn will make us all proud…..the respect runs deep……everybody sits down for dinner….nobody really leaves home…..
maybe that is the point of this post…maybe i was just trying to say ..welcome home…..
abrazos, david
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKDsq7l-e5A
BOB…
the David Foster Wallace speech is just perfect…should be required reading here and everywhere…
thanks once again for having all the right things to say at just the right time…
cheers, david
Interesting link Bob!, i can’t help but wonder if the Lighthouse, Aircraft Carrier comment made you think of the necessity of this kind of thinking, it‘s the same concept albeit with less words ;-)
i actually thought you might like the legend as it fairs well with the self-less canadian persona and the arrogance of the americans international persona, again in the spirit of that long sp(r)each.
if not this like-queue, what specifically made you think in Crest comments that this was the perfect time to give a thinking lesson? :-)
Thank you, dear Bob, for the gift of that link to David Foster Wallace’s 205 commencement speech. What a keeper! I should reread it everyy morning…
Patricia
Bob, i’ve always wanted to ask you what you think of this concept:
Weltanschauung
you could sorta say it’s the god i pray to.
i wonder if you’ve ever considered this concept, i can never get anyone’s opinion on this, but i suspect you might have one :-)
Bob, didn’t realize the added tragic irony in your posting this. Have read this three times now. Thanks again.
Bob, great speech! Thank you for sharing! If I could read faster, I would read it every morning, but… perhaps I should only think of the fish and the water ;-)
Actually I owe you a reply: of course you and your family, Civilian, everybody is always welcome at my home – anytime! Let me fix this old mill first and get that turbine running – give me 2 years and I might be done. Right now it is only an old building, not a place to live. Just lots of work ahead.
Joe, Weltanschauung is a big word. Of course I like to hear what you and Bob have to say about this. Is that word commonly used and understood in the English/American world?
Personally I think Maria’s video about the “hug zone” shows a very nice way of looking at the world, her attitude towards the world! I like it a lot! Such a great idea and the video made me smile all the time! Thank you so much Maria!
It is already late in Europe so I will rest. Tomorrow I will introduce my little students to the master of the masters: Henri Cartier-Bresson!
Reimar
Bob
Thanks for David Foster Wallace. I’ve bookmarked it.
thanks Young Tom for putting me on to the irony.
Joe,
did you get my email?
Reimar is right, in German “Weltanschauung” means something rather general, coming close to “ideology”, but not specifying which one …
What does it mean in English?
Have not had a look at the David Foster Wallace link yet. Will do so now. Last thing today. On the official list at least.
Good night everyone.
Lassal, nope, my e-mail was last :-)
I don’t know an english equivalent to weltanschaungg, but i bumped into first reading about a seminar on nietzche’s zarathustra, it was at the same time i was fascinated with physics, in physics there is a romantic concept: unified field theory, the ability to reconcile all meaningful forces to a simple understanding, a simple formula.
Of course this formula is still outstanding, but so was an explanation for celestial movements before Copernicus.
Weltanschauung for me, for human nature or the human condition, is similar to unified field theory to physics or the Copernican model of celestial movements, it suddenly reconciles all the things that are meaningful to the observer to something more simple, to something more universal at the same time, it explains things.
weltanschanuung seems a worthy aspiration. I also think that the persistent adjustment of your own lens to alternative perspectives, or to clinically challenging ‘everything’ can undermine this destination. which is why i bring this up.
I feel (not think) that you simply can clinically think yourself there; it’s more of a surrender I suppose, a sensitivity to symbols and sentiment that are at first personal to you, but after a while there is a universality to them.
I mention this to Bob because Bob seems always keen for us to adjust our lens to the author’s lens, I think there is merit to this, but I also think our own lens is most important as what we feel first is real, what we are supposed to feel is a clinical effort that is sometimes just thinking for the sake of thinking, paradigm shifts in what is truth and what is not, but not necessarily meaningful truth.
Rather than look for understanding why we’re different and feel it’s ok to be different, and to celebrate diversity, for me it’s more interesting to explore the common denominator, the average, the mean, the generalizations.
For me photographs (two-dimensional media) and peoples attitude towards all of it is a great stomping ground to detangle the universal attitudes towards things we all have in common, second only to fairy-tales and myth, my last real hobby I suppose.
Anyway, Bob seems all over these kinds of things, and it seems like a good time to introduce the fact that maybe it’s not so important to clinically challenge our own baggage as our own baggage may be more universal than we think.
Anyway, I was just throwing this out there because I was also enjoying some sparring with Bob :-)
David :))….my pleasure…will call you tomorrow (family situation to tackle first) so we can finalize your trip plans and other burn stuff ;))))
Patricia/Young Tom :)))…my pleasure,…he was a remarkable writer, a remarkable thinker and just such a shame…but, i’ve loved this speech very much since i first read it a few years back :)))
Joe :))…i’ll try to answer both of those questions, they’re good ones indeed…but no time (give me until i finish another writing assignment tonight, and i’ll leave a post tomorrow)…lots made me think of Wallace under The Crest Hotel…but DO NOT WORRY, it wasn’t because you or John criticized the work (i mean ‘criticize’ in the best, way, as discussion), but because of something with regard to awareness and observation, …how we interpret other works through our own prism or what we as photographers fail to see around us or fail to see before us..David :))….my pleasure…will call you tomorrow (family situation to tackle first) so we can finalize your trip plans and other burn stuff ;))))
Patricia/Young Tom :)))…my pleasure,…he was a remarkable writer, a remarkable thinker and just such a shame…but, i’ve loved this speech very much since i first read it a few years back :)))
Joe :))))))…i’ll try to answer both of those questions, they’re good ones indeed a bit later…now, no time (give me until i finish another writing assignment tonight, and i’ll leave a post tomorrow)…lots made me think of Wallace under The Crest Hotel…but DO NOT WORRY, it wasn’t because you or John criticized the work (i mean ‘criticize’ in the best, way, as discussion), but because of something with regard to awareness and observation, …how we interpret other works through our own prism or what we as photographers fail to see around us or fail to see before us….the Lighthouse vs. the Carrier ‘rumour’ is an interesting idea that came up in a book i just read called ‘Tipping Point’…Gladwell…actually, i just quickly read all 3 of his books (tipping point, blink and outliers, recommend them), about how ideas spread, how things become ’sticky’ like rumour…same is true with criticism…when one person sees one way, the rest often quickly follow…which can also negate ‘truth’ too…anyway, i’ll write more about why i decided to show Wallace today andin the context of The Crest and all that…but dont worry, i think the most valued part of discussion is difference, to transcend our own dark skulls…and to foster awareness…mostly for ourselves…and to sense that, yea, there’s Water around us ;))))
As for Weltanschaung, now damn, you go boy! For that alone, I WILL BUY YOU a drink when we finally meet:))))…I like your thinking Joe :)))…and i have wrestled with the word itself since university/philosophy days, but something i actually think alot about….and have tried (sometimes gently, sometimes obnoxiously ;)) ) to scribble about as it plays itself out when viewing/discussing essays/pics here..it’sbeen something Marina and i have been talking about often over the last 2 years as we’ve been increasingly immersed in Indian philosophy/theology/cosmology….for me, it’s been a particularly agozing thing, having studied philosophy in university and breast feed a diet of western thought from the greeks up to contemporary cognitive theory, it’s been a frustrating that my own education (during university and after) had been so sorely defined by western ideas…this is particularly true (and a frustration) as a writer and photograppher…the syntax and morphology of our language, which also defines ideas, has very specific construction that is culturally-ethnically based, and how does this lead toward the weltanschauung of a particular group/society…how do we then wrestle with the strange paradox of competing ‘weltanschauungs” (can i make it plural?? :)00….as a buddhist steeped and defined by Greek and German philosophy, sprinkled with the zen seasoning, i struggle with this: the search for some common precept, or for one common way to ‘understand’ the meaning of things, the parsing of them, the structure that underlies and defines…that’s actually why i posted Wallace today…and do not worry, it wasnt because some people found ‘fault’ but this question of seeing macro/micro issues within a 15 minute ’story’ lay at the heart of this problem…how do we begin to construct a world ‘weltanschauung”, how to we construct a weltanschaung from different weltansblahblahblah….that’s the interesting thing….part of that is what I hope to help Burn do….it is why i started writing at Road Trips 3 years ago…and why i wrote so vociferously at Burn…and what I hope to help David achieve to with burn…by bringing disparity, collision, as an opportunity to open/construct a burn ‘weltansschaung’ that each of us might, in the end, orient toward….
i used to admire wittgenstein and nietzche and hegel and, of course, socrates/plato…and i still do, and than, some form of clarity started to come, part of which can from the recognition that i had known/been taugh so little about other cosmologies, other world views…oh, we learn…more later :))
more later
late
hugs y’all
bob
running
bob
such verbosity…
when all it is, is to recognize that we are not born to bear our burdens alone.
we rationalize and bask in cynicism to survive our own feelings of our own inadequacies.
we think too much and we leave out trust…
trust in the goodness of the world
in the goodness of other people
and our own power and strength, singularly and collectively
trust that we are pieces of cosmic dust meant to meet
and that the ripples we make on the water
will make a difference in another person we thought we may never know
gracie:
verbosity comes from typing with one hand and putting on a coat with the other…
all that matters to me, as a point of life, can be summed up simply:
be aware…and try to be kind…..and, oh yea, be aware….
4 noble truths…
running
b
David Foster Wallace was a professor at Pomona College where my daughter goes to school. Her friends had creative writing courses with him. A sad and great loss. He touched sooooo many with his unique genius.
heya Gracie, heya Civilian..bizzy bizzy these days..deleriously distracted..not a bad thing sometimes :))
smooch
kat
Bob
¨be aware…and try to be kind…..and, oh yea, be aware….
4 noble truths…¨
That´s two…what are the other two? Really curious. I could use some noble truths right now.
best
kat-
Gracie,
all too true.
i thought it was those damned crickets pushing underneath my door that were making all that noise.
i realized it was the wheels in your head turning….
been too moribund to do anything else other than talk serious…
dah… seriously… you just made me smile :)))))))))
Cool.
David…
I am ALL FOR IT! Honestly, I can at least tell you on behalf of the (emerging) photographers from this part of the world how much this means to us! It is one thing to continue photography to satisfy one’s creative self and urge, and it is altogether a different matter to make photography a self-sustaining process and when an opportune moment comes, to be able adopt it for life! I think your ideas will help everybody. Many thanks for creating these REAL opportunities for us in this way…Burn was already a great great opportunity for many of us and I am amazed to know that it was just the beginning!!!
Long Live Burn :)
cheers,
bodo
It would be absolutely formidable, I smile too :)))
If I can make me useful, I’ll be very happy…
it disappeared !
ALL…
three days ago i moved most of my belongings out of “the Kibbutz’, my New York home for the last four years..certainly one of THE buildings in NYC among the photography crowd and a few other crowds as well….more than a few iconic photographers live there , along with some internationally known artists of all types..jazz musicians, sculptors, painters, the like…the Kibbutz is an ugly building…..but it has high ceilings and lots of light and a rooftop to die for…nobody doesn’t like the view from my rooftop…the East River takes a hard left turn going up right at the point where the Kibbutz sits near the Williamsburg Bridge…so it has the ONLY vantage point in New York where you can look all the way down to Wall Street and all the way up to Harlem..yup, the whole island up and down, all in one glance…
the view from my loft is the view that normally only millionaires have in New York…yet i pay little, for the Kibbutz is an unimproved artists loft.. …. there are many writers here on BURN who well know that i live a spartan existence….it is too late in my professional life now for me to “make big money”…for whatever reasons (divorce did not help), i have done everything in my power to avoid ever having too much cash….i have never been out of work…but, i have consistently rejected some commercial work in favor of “doing my own thing”…and, i have not regretted this lifetime decision for one second….i would rather have the pictures than the money..as simple as that…whatever magazine assignments i have done, and even the best ad jobs, have all pretty much been tailored to whatever personal project i was doing at the time…..simply put ,i worked for the magazines, the magazines worked for me…
well, you may be asking , if this Kibbutz is so damn cool and you love it, why in hell would you move out??? answer: as many of you know, i found an old historic beach cottage down on the Carolina shore that is just , well, just just ME…i had sold my small apartment in Washington which i had owned for 20 yrs….sold it before the financial crises and bought the little beach cottage after the crises…so i was lucky ,not smart…so now i own by luck my dream house…with the smells and feel of where i grew up and started making my first photographs….the sea, the sea and the sea..so so sustaining for me my whole life… this house will always need repair….and the old kitchen will probably stay the old kitchen…but the fireplace draws well in winter and the wrap around porch lets you sit outside anytime, and away from wind, because there is always a leeward side…best part (then i am done) is that it fronts a 40,000 acre state park…nobody can ever build in front of me or in back of me…water to left, water to the right, dunes straight ahead….nobody can see me standing on my front porch, even though tourist area is not far away in reality..yup, t-shirt shops etc are somewhere out there over the dune line…but, never mind, i am in my own little world..as usual…
creating my own world has been my lifelong pursuit…as a kid i played in the dunes not far from here and made prints in my humble darkroom and dreamed of using my camera as a tool for exploration and expression…i refused to let anything interfere with that original dream…it was too powerful a dream to deny..
so, here i am right back where i started…with the same damn dream…it will not go away….so yes yes a lot of hard work blah blah blah, but i sure feel just plain old lucky…so lucky that i feel compelled to share with others what i think are the ways to “get lucky”..to make photography a “life” , not just a means of technical recording…hence BURN….as i sit in my mostly broken down beach cottage right now, it totally amazes me that i am right this second communicating with so many of you…out there somewhere just over the dune line…
communicating on line was never a dream per se..how could it have been??…that just “happened”…and after all it is just a part of what i do anyway…BURN is some kind of reflection of my personal life, so it is actually a “personal project” of sorts, only with your work instead of mine, but it is somehow my work too….so, we are in this together …..BURN is just simply what goes on in my loft at the Kibbutz all the time…official workshops yes, but general hang spot for photographers more often than not…as i said, one of THE photo spots in New York…many of you have experienced this first hand at various photo projections and events …and more than a few of you have even slept on my floor (ode to Koudelka)….
ok, back to the point…all my stuff is now out of the Kibbutz…i simply cannot afford to stay there any longer because my primary expense is now the beach house (by the way, the beach place will soon become a place for you to visit..a bit of a trip, but worth it….and i plan to have some limited photo events here as well)…anyway, i have just enough money to keep the Kibbutz loft through May…it now sits largely empty…and as i was pulling away from the Kibbutz three days ago, i thought “damn i just cannot let this place go..it is just too too perfect for a NYC space…”
so, the van was packed and it just hit me just as Mike and Tony pro skater and i turned on to the highway….my thoughts raced to the obvious..so obvious…..
i thought: why not turn the Kibbutz loft into a BURN gallery for the photographers here??…sell your prints from selected work….
figure out some fair percentage for both of us (galleries usually have a 50/50 split) so that when Tom Hyde sells his tumbleweed photograph for $1000. he keeps half, and Burn keeps half (or whatever we work out)…to pay for the gallery, the office, and Anton, therefore financing BURN and YOU with an infrastructure we already have in place…sell your self published books too….BURN would not be an agency, but BURN could be your agent….there is a difference….and nobody has anything to lose that i can imagine…IF you sell a print, you help yourself, you help Burn….
i am soon to be looking for major subsidies for BURN…not advertising…i am talking major support to be able to finance photographers work…the EPF is only the beginning….taking large amounts of funding with minimal strings attached is of course the goal…impossible?? not really…we do it at Magnum with regularity…
as of last week , i have been charged with helping to develop an online “channel system” for Magnum…Magnet….BURN will become a Magnum channel via Magnet….other photographers will have their own “channel”…Magnet can develop its own funding as a larger “brand” and/or BURN can secure its own funding or both… …this will keep us viable here and help to keep you growing and producing out there just over the dune line…
i will be announcing soonest the new Advisory Board for BURN…an “A” listing of folks respected in our business and who will draw sponsorship and/or donations….i will be announcing soonest the entire list of staff from our audience here..up until last week , i had Anton Kusters and yours truly doing everything….Bob Black has volunteered, at my request, to be Editor at Large (seeking new talent, writing special essays, and well, just being Bob Black)…Kerry Payne has worked hours and hours on a viable business plan (she does that professionally), and Chris Bradley, Creative Director at Ogilvy & Mather has volunteered his services outside of his agency, to study the whole “branding” bit…i am talking with several others of you who have expressed interest in helping us with BURN…you know who you are…
all of this sounds a bit daunting, but all of this will allow us to do exactly what we are doing only about 10 times better…right now we are “one dimensional”….i can see much more “depth” with each photographer whose work is presented on BURN….
i will not go into details of what we will do now, but believe me the possibilities are revolutionary….let’s face it, it is time for a revolution..throughout history whenever there has been confusion and floundering (which certainly describes our business/craft now) is exactly when something comes along and changes the “face” of everything….
the large publishing companies, with debilitating overheads, cannot move with stealth in this new economic environment…they have now to fire half their staffs….they have big buildings with big monthly expenses….at BURN we have my humble loft ….and we are in close touch with all of the same photographers that many magazines and agencies now cannot afford to hire…hmmmmm…
PLUS , more importantly we have YOU….the new breed…the new generation…the next bunch to rip it up….and WE are already gathered…we are not making stuff up here, i am telling you all of this already exists….hmmmmm, so put two and two together…timing, timing, and timing…
these are ideas anyone can have….so, why would it work for us?? because we already have totally in place a whole combination of things that nobody else has…..but even if it does not work, what the hell?? nothing lost at all…forget one possible fear right off….my close attachment to all of you is germane to this whole issue….i ain’t going anywhere…and you know damn well i cannot get rich, because it would blow my whole image…survival sounds attractive however…
ok, well sorry, this was a way too long winded comment…but,i am in full thinking mode, so forgive please…and besides, the whole point of this is that i need your thoughts…but just on the ONE ISSUE, the gallery issue, for the moment….a Burn based gallery to sell your prints (curated shows….say, monthly events to do so)…i can hang 30-40 prints at a time….we can have print storage shelves etc etc…you provide the print or work out a deal with Mike to print for you (mike has very long list of known photographers for whom he has been their primary gallery printer before he came to work with me)…as with everything with Burn , .we are a community with arbiter …just as in the submissions here for publication on Burn, the EPF , etc etc. not everyone can participate in everything, but everybody sure as hell has a chance….do exemplary work , and you are “on it”…
again, just one more way to turn our online experience into a reality…
your thoughts???
cheers, david
great idea. :)
and… hmmmm… I am jealous… your beach house…ehhh… but you know that :)
One question:
Can we still sleep on the floor when in New York? Of course we’d agree to be out before the gallery opened…
Seriously, I have no idea if it’s a viable option. It seems like it is, I would love it to be, and anything I could do (I couldn’t imagine what) — I would be glad to pitch in, the idea is just so exciting.
With an online gallery /store and a New york gallery space, it seems you could stay afloat, if the readership here is anywhere close to what you’ve described previously…
David,
this is a huge and increadible undertaking, If you think I might be able to help out with anything, drop me a line.
Your generousity of thought and deed is quite outstanding. The vision of finding a breathing space, whether physical or web based, for an open forum for emerging and established photographers and art buyers/editors/commissioners/non photographerss/appreciators of the craft of photography to mix is grand and I wish it the best of luck.
During my short time here I have certainly been challenged and inspired.
You might want to take a look at http://www.lensmodern.com it is a photographic library, that has been set up by three top end commercial photographers as a showcase for photographers personal work, that they do not want to have tucked away in a filing cabinet nor do they want the images to be sucked into the abyss of photographers rights issues surrounding getty etc. John Hegarty of BBH is heavily involved and keen to champion the rights of photographers. The percentage rates are good as it is run by photographers for photographers.
Best of luck
Ian
It took me 45 minutes to read Mr. Harvey’s post …my eyes are still hurting BUT I AM smiling!!!
I feel so HAPPY again, so inspired…
OIME. MR. HARVEY with all the good energy that we are sending and all the love and the kisses from your family and your friends and your friends to be…YOU ARE THE “RICHEST” man ALIVE !!!!
Mr. Tom Young, his tumbleweed photograph for $1000…aaaa??? ( any discounts for civilians?)
VIVA KIBBUTZ, VIVA N.CAROLINA,VIVA DAHY, VIVA SPONSORS ( WE LOVE YOU MUCH) !!!!
BURN the place TO BE !!!!
P.S I would like to be the first CIVILIAN to donate 50 EUROS for the Kibbutz PLACE . SERIOUS .What shall I do ?
Civilian, I’m with you on the donation.
David can you set up a donations box?
Ian
Civilian, Ian, me too !
I think that it is a good idea a donations box !
:-)
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) …
(better)
David :)))))))))))))))
that was an essay in and of itself :)))))))))))))….and were it only possible you could write long, more often :)))))))))….there sure is something in that OBX shoreline wind that gets a mind a chumbling :)))))
i think it is a brilliant idea…cause BURN GALLERY already has more for it than most galleries have to start with: an active and interested ‘client(s)’, a strong curatorial base (you), a well-spring of ideas/creativity (Burn), a place that is reasonably inexpensive ($2000/month is pretty cheap for a ‘commerical’ space), and branding and a large cache….
a first idea: exhibit the work of the EPF winner and finalists….
the only problem i see arising is the images themselves (printing, shipping, etc)….for those who shoot digitally, this is a non-issue, for those of us who either print ourselves or are experimenting with digital prints from negative-generated files, another issue….BUT….this should not stop the train…
those are details to work out…but for now, seeing what i saw during the October show at Kibbutz and the prints generated, i’d say it’d be a brilliant gallery, a brilliant venture and, why the hell hasnt’ it been thought of up to now?…
think APERTURE, ONLY younger ;))))))))
got to get me some of that sweet-salt carolina sky….
running
hugs
b
Kathie:
for me, though i fail at them miserably all the time, those are the 2 big ones for me: awareness and kindness…what better diet is needed? ;)))…
anyway, those 4 Noble Truths, here they are:
http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/fourtruths.html
running
cheers
bob
BOB
check your email please :)
David,
great idea..
DAH
what else can I say that hasn’t already been expressed above…
Inspirational… Great idea.
your energy is so infectious, i love it! – energy, idea(s) & writing… (kinda missed a snapshot to go with though)
How about some sort of group project, seeing as Burn reaches so far and wide, something of our daily lives, postcards from home… i myself live in the Aussie bush and shoot dairy photography. I think it could be quite special, for anyone who wants to join in, something of our own individual realities. Just a passing idea…
cheers
Sam
ooooops… Diary photography not dairy, i’m lactose intolerant : )
“ooooops… Diary photography not dairy, i’m lactose intolerant : )”………. hmmmnnn that counts us out
http://etrouko.com.au/art/cow.jpg
David,
I love the idea. Who wouldn’t buy a print or two while under the seductive power of the view over Manhattan?
Could you potentially start staffing the gallery via the volunteer efforts of burn photographers? I imagine a cooperative task would appeal to many of the people here, and you’d probably have a full roster of those willing to donate a day a week to working in the gallery. Forwarding the thought of authorship/ownership would not only save on start-up costs but would also build the business skills of a team of dedicated emerging photographers and add momentum to your idea.
Glad to hear about your cottage by the beach. Sounds idyllic. Meeting a friend at Diner today up the street from the Kibbutz. We’ll toast you.
-andrew
I thought Weltanschauung was a kind of sausage…guess not.
David….
what a great idea..
who would be there to sell the prints?
would it be by appt. only?
In terms of $ for rent,
what about charging each photog
to hang their photos?
you know the saying
‘you gotta pay to play…’
That and sales could help with rent….
LOVE the idea…
It just needs to generate $,
to keep it viable….
And I know plenty of gallery spaces where
artists pay a monthly fee to hang their art….
I love your way of thinking,
your energy
and your creative spirit….
an inspiration
to all…..
xox
**
Akaky …
it’s more the peel of the sausage. The stuffing is separate.
ANDREW…
well my friend , i will counting on you for your ideas and support….your first thought is a good one…we will get our gang back together soonest for another meeting of the minds..the first meeting has brought us “here”, the next one will take us “there”….there are some details to be worked out, but it all sounds like fun to me….
WENDY….
i think the best way is to have the gallery event based..the Kibbutz is definitely not going to be a walk in gallery….but it would not be so difficult to have an event per month…you have not been to the space, but you may imagine the crowds we draw already…..i am so so into alternative exhibition spaces in general….this Kibbutz space is just the beginning of what we can do….start thinking old warehouse space L.A…..collectively, we can do whatever we want…..can’t we???
SAM…
sure, why not?? good idea too….
cheers, david
DAH …
definitively.
worldwide.
:))) of course. maybe an elephant too. anything i have. and no, you absolutely positively cannot let that space go but then I am a broken record on this, no? and for myself, I had envisioned this space as ultimately Burn space from the beginning but, but it wasn’t my space. How generous of you to make it all our space. Of course, Burn needs a physical nexus point too … perfect.
DAH
exactly..I actually have thought many times about the ability of selling work after the slideshows of the people who were featured when people are happy and excited about the work..I think event based is smart, actually, you already had the slideshow / book sale event for Trolley, that seemed to go well and I don’t think there was tons of advance notice. Your ability to bring in established photographers to talk and show work would be a huge asset if you could combine that with work for sale..What about the possibility of hosting a slideluck?
sorry that is grammatically garbled..it is going to be 90 here today (you on your porch with the sea side breeze!) and i’m already feeling it..
DAVID
oh yes,
all is possible…
what can I do
to help?
I think it is a WONDERFUL idea..
and maybe,
just maybe
all prints have to be custom,
NO giclees….
so buyers are guarenteed a custom print,
as opposed to ink jet….
not that there is anything wrong with digital prints,
but BuRN’s signature could be all custom photographs..
I’ve noticed in the gallery world
that custom prints are worth double
than an ink jet print….
just an idea…..
but maybe not,
perhaps it is too limiting..
?!?!
**
DAH..
I should also say that I used to work at Vision Gallery, which was one of the most amazing photography-only galleries ever..it was in San Fran..a total philanthropic endeavor by the owner Joe Folberg, he ran it for a handful of years because of his love for photography, we showed many of the masters (that was my real photo education, handling and hanging all those prints)..and I ran the gallery at Maine Photo Workshops for a summer, so I have a few skillz :) I’d be happy to try to unearth if we need them…
AND we DoASHarvey:
:”ON A ROLL” again
ERICA
you are full of nice surprises …
:-)