some of you might be interested in what is going on right now in my loft…the assembled below are gathered at my space to help make some decisions on the future of our forum…we are buzzing buzzing on the potential of an online magazine..so many good ideas (and a few bad ideas) are zipping around the room…
we are interested right now in any input you may have….very soon we will be working on all the titles you so kindly suggested….and i think we have a nice clean design that will set up selected essays in the most special way and will also include a “behind the scenes” or “the making of” element that so many will find invaluable…
you will now have about four or five hours to make comments…to me, or to anyone you see below….we should be able to have at least a pretty decent preliminary site within a week or two..or maybe sooner..
i cannot believe that Anton Kusters flew here from Belgium, Tom Hyde from Seattle, Eric Espinosa from Cincinnati …i also cannot believe we stayed up ’til 4am for a pre-meeting meeting….and this was air mattress/sleeping bag central around here last night…
please ask us some questions..give us your thoughts….we will respond immediately…..
Erica McDonald, Andrew Sullivan, Chris Bickford, Tom Hyde, Anton Kusters, Eric Espinosa and on screen via webcam, David McGowan
I love you too, dear Kyunghee! I can still feel your warm and loving presence sitting next to me in David’s loft that October Saturday. So much has happened since then–you & your book have been in Paris, and now I have your book on order coming soon (I hope) to my home. Please remember, you always have a “second home” here in Detroit.
BIG hug,
Patricia
1) DAH, anton, andrew, tom, chris,eric, erica, anton and dave mcg–
wow, just… WOW. you guys seriously rock!!
i wish i could contribute somehow but i am a total techtard.
maybe i can contribute a photo essay about my street family down the road.. :)
and tom, chris and anton,
thanks for the photos! i really lingered on them
and started to ‘feel’ a little of what it must have
been like for you to be there. some really great shots.
and young tom – YOU NAILED IT!
and DAH in the rain…. so nice….
2) my computer got a virus last week and i lost most of my photos from the last 5 years.
i have the last 6 months worth still. the rest is gone.
man, that hurts. i didn’t back up.
BACK UP YOUR WORK PEOPLE.
seriously, i think i’m still in denial (first stage of grief!)
co’s there’s this weird sense of calm in me about it.
shouldn’t i be screaming and having a tantrum??
maybe it’s my buddhist practice coming to fruition in that
i know that everything is impermanent and I know that the less
i hold on and am attached to things, the greater joy in life i will have.
there’s pain around the loss, yes. but there is a sense of liberation as well.
and a new beginning.
3) i am having a christmas day feast for about 30-40 homeless street youth here in seattle.
if you would like to help with a donation go here for details:
http://community.livejournal.com/seattle/5595481.html?mode=reply
thank you!
and i love BURN. it captures the passion that i feel for photography…ufff…..
love to all!
katia
KATIA,
do not panic…
dont throw the comp in the trash yet…
actually , go ahead throw it in the garbage,
BUT… keep the hard drive…
there are all kinds of software to extract data…
dont panic yet…
im sure
KARIM ( & others here ) might be more specific…
send me an email, what kind of comp, hard drive, etc…
i know its the weekend but we will think of something…
we better…
again , dont throw the pc down the stairs yet…
peace & hugs…
hi..jumped on a plane directly from the meeting (if jumping means waiting for a 2 hour weather delay only to be delayed further because the plane lost a windshield wiper that needed to be replaced and then once on the plane finding out that the person who was meant to fuel the plane had forgotten and went home and had to come back while we waited..oh well) so I haven’t had a chance to thank everyone for all the work they kept up after my departure… it was a true pleasure to meet everyone and have some time to work a little on the magazine-to-be. As expected, I already felt we knew each other..can’t wait to see the progress!
OMG Katia!
I would look into seeing if you can recover those. Just don’t use that hard drive anymore – don’t touch it. It may be expensive to do, but maybe you can find a computer whiz as well. I had an external hard drive get corrupted on me (I’m a Mac user) and my wife (who works for Microsoft) was able to hook it up to her pc and recover a lot of images by using DOS. Anyway, I’d also been lazy about backing up though fortunately got everything back (RAW wise – a lot of my scans I didn’t but I have the negs). Now I have a RAID 10 array and taking discs offsite etc. Kinda went overboard because it is traumatizing. But hd’s are cheap now – no excuse.
Anyway, I really feel for you. And glad for your Buddhist practice because that is what helps one get through things like this. Yes, all is ultimately impermanent.
Best,
Charles
panos–
my dear, i love you, as you know. :)
i’m not panicking at all. i’m rather calm.
don’t YOU panic now.. ;)
my son, who is supreme in all tech areas,
has tried to recover the files
for about a week now.
they won’t show up on the computer.
but yes, when he gets home i will email you
with all the specifics. can i add karim to
the email? need his e-dress.
thank you, my dear.
and there is a hide-a-bed in seattle for you any time.
and it’s a comfy one! :))
beijos** and to erica and audrey too. :)
k.
charles–
thank you! i will take all advice anyone has to offer and pass it along to my son, zakk. he is extremely capable and super tech-savvy but more
input couldn’t hurt at all.
to share any ideas about recovering my work,
please email me at: iamkatia@gmail.com
very grateful..
k.
Katia,
I had these guys recover my files from a portable drive that failed on a trip:
http://www.essdatarecovery.com/default.asp
It cost about $900, but I would have lost most of a trip to Costa Rica. Despite the cost, I’m happy I did it. I couldn’t imagine loosing 5 years!
Dear all,
thank you for your hard work. BURN is an amazing project,
see you, Julien
david mcg–
thank you. $900.00 is out of the question. i’m broke.
at the moment i am at peace about letting go,
although photos that i dearly love,
especially of my street kids,
keep popping into
my mind
with an ‘ouch’ that they’re gone.
but mostly, at peace.
I’d get estimates, but I wouldn’t let people mess around with that drive too much (other than professionals.) I’ve got to think that cost could be recovered by print sales—street kids is a valuable body of work.
katia,
Mac or pc?
david mcg–
it is certainly a valuable body of work for me.
but it will continue. there will be more photos.
when my son gets home i’ll get specifics from him
about what he’s done thus far to recover them, etc.
thanks for your concern. :)
and pete–
pc.
and here’s my contribution to our theme, BURN (graphic):
http://photos.imageevent.com/iamkatia/pureatconworks121005/large/joe8×6-sf770.jpg
those crazy kids..
k.
ALL…
as you have all surmised, things have been cracking around here…so many ideas, and so much actual WORK….i will never be able to thank all of you enough for your input…except to just put out such an attractive site where you will be proud to publish photo essays, strong singles, and incisive text which should appeal not only to photographers, but anyone interested in the picture driven vision of our world….
whatever we put up soonest will remain a moveable feast….we will be able to to make changes easily as actual ease of use dictates…just as in looking an at architects plan of a new house, we will need to “live” in it for awhile to see how it works in actual practice…
essentially there we be three basic parts to our new site…
(a) FEATURES….
finished stories…of interest to photographers AND anyone who may interested in the subject presented….this section will be edited/curated by me, but with the FULL collaboration and approval of the photographer and writer…behind the scenes discussion of the development of the story will be one click away at the end of every story ….
(b) DIALOGUE….
our “road trips” blog pretty much as is…discussion of issues that affect all of us….these discussions, as now, will lead to both final features and to work in progress…
(c) WORK IN PROGRESS
this will be one of the most popular sections of our new venture….behind the scenes, story development, project start ups, etc etc..cooperating with PhotoShelter as the “place” for work being seen, critiqued etc etc..
cheers, david
Hi, everyone! I`m new here, just been visiting on and off for about a week or so… English is not my first language, that`s probably why “Evolver” is my fav.Look forward to see the result, and to be able to follow the process.
KATIA
we can do it..
Sorry, i dont deserve credit on this…
i meant KARIM CAN DO IT…
This kid is able to bring back the DEAD…
i know this for sure, because he brought me
back from the DEAD..
either way…
KARIM IS THE MAN…
We got your back !!!!
Love U Katia…
& thank you for thinking of the HOMELESS KIDS…
Thank U from the bottom of my heart
“So ya know I sent a link to David Alan Harvey to look at my first little slideshow.”
“OH Nancy…why did you do that…do you know who he is?”
“It’s okay ..he knows I am learning..remember I only bought my first camera two years ago and I told you I am going to learn this shit if it kills me”
So the photographer friend(who soon reminds me that he was published in an “esteemed” magazine)…was feeling badly for my sloppy shots suggests a few fixes and tells me to go home and do the changes…along with a mental list of what else not to do.
Thats okay…i can take it cause one day i will learn this shit!
Hi Katia,
just got the email from Panos, I’d be happy to help you recover the images from the Hard Drive… I just need the hard drive or the laptop, I can probably recover most of the files in two days. Email me if I can help.
You’re very sweet KYUNGHEE. Thank you for the photos and your kind words.
However, credit and thanks for the title BURN belongs to KELLY LYNN JAMES who pitched it on Dec 8th…
kelly/kerry: similar but different :)
panos and karim – thank you thank you!!!
i’ll email you as soon as my son gets home.
(could be today or tomorrow)
xox !!
kerry– you are so generous, thank you!!
i will send you some photos from our feast.
you too, erica.
i’m soo happy! :)))
and please all, excuse my usurping the thread.
i’ll take all of this off-list now.
one more thing– a woman, a stranger, just dropped off
a huge down comforter for the street kids and lots of
hand-warmers and you know what?
you can bet on good people doing good things.
it warms my heart, all this goodness. (^.^)
happiness to all!
katia
Katia,
I sure hope this works out. Looking back through your blog, man that’s some good (important) work. It takes a lot of dedication and patience I’m sure to work with these kids. I doubt I could do it – too many of my own hang ups – props to you for taking it on.
Lets wait and see what happens, but I’m still up for someday dumping everything into Lightroom or Bridge at the studio and helping with an edit. Nothing definitive of course – just giving you my take at what I see. I often see what others overlook (and same goes in regard to others looking at my work).
Best of luck with the xmas party.
Charles
David… how often do you plan to “update” or “publish” Burn?
I am trying to figure out why is it that I do not revisit existing online photo magazines often. Why are they so…. boring? What is it that you can do different?
And I think it is the dynamics, the dynamics is the key. Having it tied up with the dynamics of this blog is sure a good thing and I believe the online magazine CAN NOT be quaterly or monthly or even weekly, if it wants to keep the audience. It needs to be ALIVE, daily transformation of content… This is where online only magazines, like Blueyes, fail. Lots of good content there but very slow transformation… But that would mean someone would have to work on it full time which is probably a problem… Anyway, just thinking aloud… wishing you success. Veba.
DAVID and BURN team,
Veba’s observation is important — ideally, the site should be ‘dynamic’ — new / fresh material daily to keep the majority of visitors ‘hooked’ and returning. This is especially crucial if you intend to seek serious sponsorship dollars…
perhaps you’re planning on (C) Works in Progress to fill this need?
if not, the section of the plan I sent you relating to COMMUNITY might have some high leverage/low effort ideas for consideration…
****
KATIA, thank you for the giving us the opportunity to contribute, but it is you who is generous. Generous with your time, your energy and your obvious love for these kids…
I really hope you get your images back… :(
TOM.
Love that shot! What did the other’s shots look like? Would be interesting to see…
BURNERS… :))
Could someone please repost links for the DAH raincoat shot and whatever else was posted from the “meeting?”
Just came home from a friend’s (suicide) memorial and I’m not up for searching back for them. Thanks.
KATIA,
Sorry to hear about loosing your pics and I’m even more sorry that you had to learn the lesson the hard way..
Most harddrives can be recovered, BUT I would never let someone that isn’t 100% professional do it for you or even look at it. Even if they are super good with tech. It may work, but it’s also possible that it will reduce your chances of getting the work back.
I like the images and really hope there’s some solution to this accident.
And for the future I guess you know you have to backup.
For those who don’t know a lot about computers, backup, RAID etc I can recommend the Drobo.
Cheers
Just saw Karim and Panos posts and I don’t doubt Karim can do it. If this works consider yourself lucky! :)
KERRY…ALL
i am wrestling with this one…i do not see how we can update daily…at least not the essays..great essays are few and far between…we have now a whole lot of content to last awhile, from the forum here and the workshops etc…
but, even with a number of essays on hand i cannot imagine any more major postings than we do now…that is, major features updated at say three or four per month, but we will have the blog going on as per usual and maybe a daily single picture category…..and lots of stuff going on under “work in progress”..so there will be a lot of activity..
but, carefully curated developed stories in the main Features section will be , by their very nature, little treasures and not daily “newsy” fodder…other sites already do this very well..
what we have that is special and unique is self generated content..stories started, edited, mentored right on BURN… we become producers rather than just be a compendium site…everyone knows that in the new communication world, content will be king…i think we can “play”…
remember this whole magazine is built on a blog platform..if you update the features too often you will not have any one up long enough for the photographer to feel that he/she has really gotten the max exposure…of course, the great features will stay up forever in the archive etc…at any one time, readers will see about 10 photographer names/stories and from say number 11 on, one click gets you to the next 10 etc etc..
major daily feature updates would require a full time well paid staff…to just get one story ready to go and on the level i foresee is already a major job…one thing we did discuss was putting as much responsibility on the photographer as possible..we will have a very strict submissions guideline ….this will reduce the need for raw man/woman power…
our primary goal now is to launch soonest a “model”…with what it will look like, a sampling of possibility, but not yet a full blown magazine…but we will clearly have something that could be shown by you/me to potential sponsors..
we also think we have come up with a very creative plan to finance photographers beyond the relatively limited EPF..to have specific sponsors finance specific grants which will be given to specific photographers…this way sponsor money goes directly to the photographer who then shoots something for BURN..this leads to more reader interest, which leads to more funding, which leads to more reader interest, etc etc etc…
i plan to “BURN the house down” my friend !!
cheers, david
DAH – still in austin… going to dinner with Lance and Dave Keenan tonight! i am sure your ears will be BURNing.
david
quick thought that came to me after your get together…
might be interesting and dynamic to have your magnum peers (and others) as guest curators every once in awhile.
maybe alex webb one month, bruce gilden another month, eugene richards another month…
just a thought…
MARC…
good idea…will do….
cheers, david
GINA…
if you are going to be with Dave and Lance, the three of you MUST check out the post coming up tonight about how we will finance BURN….
hugs, david
KATIA
I sent you an email – I can send you some software tools that will help in recovery of your files.
cheers,
Haik
Just saw it – will let them both know about it…. i will comment on the new posting…
HAIK,
you dont only share your sandwich…. your food…
but also your kindness…
you are a cool kid… man !
PANOS
when are you back? let me see ya. am i coming to court with you to spoil the judge? i have software for that too. :))))
be good.
Yes but think of all the logo possibilities if the magazine were called “STASH” ! ;-))) Actually, turns out it already is a hot hip-hop mag … darn. :)))
BURN -
I like that the goal is to be dynamic and am glad to see the post on updating…it seems that there is so much on the web to DEVOUR that it is all people do and perhaps that is the nature of the beast – the difference between web and books/magazines – but just because you can does not mean you have to. Anyway I like Blue Eyes and personally don’t want to go to Blue Eyes everyday to see the latest update, nor would I want to go to BURN everyday to see the latest update…I think I would get BURNED out…I’d much rather get an email letting me know there is new content/feature on BURN every month or 2/3 weeks that I can check out, then go back to it again a few days later because it was that good : )
great idea with the financing.
looking forward to the “model”.
not sure if I can be of assistance from the dessert but if there is anything I can do, call anytime.
Also DAVID…I’ve been thinking about your comment about an edit of my work being much easier and faster in person and with a “cold beer”…if you have any time between now and Jan 12 its a good possibility I could make it to NYC or to Carolina.
~ Chris H
I like Zone, but how about “The Zone”?
Because when you get into ‘the zone’, so I’m told, the photographs are nothing like you’ve ever seen…
Good luck!
Jenny
Tom, lovely shot, and definitely “burnt”, all in the shades… ;-)
BURN sounds good, I like the fact it does not point at “photography” per se, and that’s a very smart and “hip” way to say photography is never quite about photography only and much happens on and in the way to take a picture.
Anyway, INFERNO has been taken already…:-)
Back in Thailand, expecting a move by next week, but since we mentionned Pattaya lately and that’s where I base myself ( I own here the only piece of property-don’t fret: only 32 square meters-I will ever be able to afford in my life, anyone welcome to take advantage of it BTW), maybe that at the tip of their arrows, these little novices turned cupids threw a bit of love amidst all the sex the city has on offer… Just to make things more interesting and the world go round…
(Warning: this is PEACE PHOTOGRAPHY at his most unbashful, nothing, but absolutely nothing is happening…!):
http://www.pbase.com/update_image/107044223
Profuse apologies, I “oopsed!” again, so here’s the pix with one click only:
http://www.pbase.com/image/107044223
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