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KERRY…ALL
i am wrestling with this one…i do not see how we can update daily…at least not the essays..great essays are few and far between…we have now a whole lot of content to last awhile, from the forum here and the workshops etc…
but, even with a number of essays on hand i cannot imagine any more major postings than we do now…that is, major features updated at say three or four per month, but we will have the blog going on as per usual and maybe a daily single picture category…..and lots of stuff going on under “work in progress”..so there will be a lot of activity..
but, carefully curated developed stories in the main Features section will be , by their very nature, little treasures and not daily “newsy” fodder…other sites already do this very well..
what we have that is special and unique is self generated content..stories started, edited, mentored right on BURN… we become producers rather than just be a compendium site…everyone knows that in the new communication world, content will be king…i think we can “play”…
remember this whole magazine is built on a blog platform..if you update the features too often you will not have any one up long enough for the photographer to feel that he/she has really gotten the max exposure…of course, the great features will stay up forever in the archive etc…at any one time, readers will see about 10 photographer names/stories and from say number 11 on, one click gets you to the next 10 etc etc..
major daily feature updates would require a full time well paid staff…to just get one story ready to go and on the level i foresee is already a major job…one thing we did discuss was putting as much responsibility on the photographer as possible..we will have a very strict submissions guideline ….this will reduce the need for raw man/woman power…
our primary goal now is to launch soonest a “model”…with what it will look like, a sampling of possibility, but not yet a full blown magazine…but we will clearly have something that could be shown by you/me to potential sponsors..
we also think we have come up with a very creative plan to finance photographers beyond the relatively limited EPF..to have specific sponsors finance specific grants which will be given to specific photographers…this way sponsor money goes directly to the photographer who then shoots something for BURN..this leads to more reader interest, which leads to more funding, which leads to more reader interest, etc etc etc…
i plan to “BURN the house down” my friend !!
cheers, david
i dig the logo – well done. i like all of them except the teddy bear… but that’s ok.
stickers – “what happens at the kibbutz ends up on burn”….
patches – to put on photo bags
coffee mugs
i will try to think of other things too.
YES…..
now everything is getting real…. so real…
we will be able to “touch” it … soon…
damn…
i knew it… from the first minute i landed it here…
i knew it… feels so good…
when eventually everything pays of…
great,
amazing,
unbelievable,
sweet,
DOPE,
BURN…
so glad im here……
Sets of postcards :))))
wait a minute… are we selling dogs too?
….. honestly…
we dont need another newspaper…
we need the perfect “TIMING” for “BURN”…
photogs need to be exposed “no more or less” of what they need
to be exposed…
not daily, not weekly, not monthly, not yearly…
but “timed perfectly”…
as a viewer or a magazine reader i dont wanna have the
“yellow pages photographic magazine” that introduces one
photog after another after another after another…
names, phone numbers , websites, otherwise we will have
the “DateAnEmergingPhotog.com”…
BURN=REVOLUTION in the media…
how about you will have the next issue when we are ready…
how about i will show the best, or nothing at all…
“BURN” will be the point of reference soon…
matches … ?
lighters … ?
whisky :))) ???
The trucker hat is DOPE! I’m getting one for the whole family. No need to worry about Christmas shopping this year, my friends:)
Panos, maybe you should buy the baby one-sy suit for David Bowen as a Christmas present:)
Burn-fun for the whole family…
remember folks… if you want to buy a BURN dog, then you have to order THIS WEEK so it will arrive before Christmas.
DAVID,
for financing – BURN prints of featured photographs, maybe signed by the photographer. that will fly like hot cakes.
I don’t think there will be a shortage of good photo on this site daily if not more often.
As far as the daily update goes – it does not seem necessary in my opinion. The comments made for each post is the daily update for which readers usually return – and with Panos ( love ya, man ) in the game, ok i’ll shut up.
I am sure you have used wordpress as the platform – I wish I could have a say in this but it seems to be late. Drupal is one hell of a platform for the website/blog/magazine/social/forum/etc and it is much sophisticated than any pure blog platform that is simply a reverse chronological collection of articles. Drupal can have “featured stories” stuck on the first page along with frequently updated blog and much more – all on the front page.
If you think it is not too late – would you, and I mean everyone that were at the meeting, be interested in transferring current design to drupal? The drupal thing is just very powerful for what you want or may intend to do in the future.
cheers,
Haik
eh, forgot.
I love the logo. loved it since i saw it on the mac with David M on top of it.
U is critical. says a lot. wonderfully done.
eh, forgot.
I love the logo. loved it since i saw it on the mac with David M on top of it.
U is critical. says a lot. wonderfully done.
HAIK…
nothing is ever “too late”…i just never heard of Drupal, but i will check it out…i honestly do not want to have too too much on the front page..
keep your suggestions coming…yes, of course, BURN should become quite a good platform for the photographers to sell prints, maybe get an assignment, etc etc…
cheers, david
I am kinda thinkin burn boxers….
CHRIS BICKFORD…
yes… all jokes aside… i think you are right…
i should do that…
i have all the respect in the world for David Bowen & his
family…
peace
DAVID,
drupal.org
dwin.com – I did that one but it is not an updated site
I never meant a busy front page – that is a no go. It is just drupal will allow you to have multiple streams of blogs rolling at the same time while the _main_ featured article stays on the front page.
I’ll whip something up for you all to look at to get the idea because the actual out-fo-the box look is way ugly and example sites aren’t that good.
Assignment??? ohhhh. that’s a good one. I love it. i want it.
hey – i’ll even buy one if it is for sale – think about it.
cheers
Haik
You da man, Panos:) great idea…
matches … ?
lighters … ?
whisky :))) ???
Posted by: Lassal | December 13, 2008 at 08:41 PM
…& a Xanax…
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
HAIK…….
i told u you are part of “it”….
when i saw your photo-slideshow in venice, i cheered & clapped…
when i saw your photos you emailed me…
i knew you “have” it…
the only problem…? your camera is too small….
;-))))))))))))))))))
Hey Panos, we’re missing you here at the loft…me, Anton, Anna, and David are all sitting here working, checking the blog, and just getting silly…hope you are well brother.
ANNA MARIA…
i cant wait to be back in NYC…
you’re the coolest kid…i have no idea why, but i’m missing you!
…. ok, ok…
i’m missing you guys too , getting silly here too…but
can i have Anna Maria back on the phone now…???
;-)))))))
laughing
PANOS,
lmao – size does not matter. what can i say.
thanks for everything, man. call me when you come back. i’ll show you Venice :—–)
Yes but think of all the logo possibilities if the magazine were called “STASH” ! ;-))) Actually, turns out it already is a hot hip-hop mag … darn. :)))
TOM…
i agree with BOB…your Salvadorian Dalian melting clockian
hoola dancer photo deserves an award….
you busted my balls for a sec, quite a while ago but i love U,
my “greek” friend…
;-))))))))
Panos thanks :)))
And I’ll bust your balls again, if you deserve it, my friend :)))))
tom
HAIK…
listen, i will be in Playa Del Rey… from tuesday to who knows when… ( till the court date at least )…
we will definitely gonna hang…
Venice Beach is the place to be…
THE FREAKSHOW GOES ON….
im so in love with venice… to the point i cant sleep at nights…
i cant wait for the day that i will get my “stolen” SCcard back
from the cops… i have so many memories from the roof of the
CADILLAC HOTEL…
DAH, do not, do not let your Kibbutz flat go … i love that place, can’t even describe how much … would make the perfect offices for BURN if nothing else …
… i think NEIL , back in the day ,
said that , the cop must have been a hell of a techie to figure out,
how to take the SD out of the M8….
laughing…
anecdote:… Even after i took the SDcard out and handed it to them ( like an idiot, that i am… ), the poor cop was still insisting to also hand him
the film… he still couldnt believe that ,
that old piece of shit doesnt hide a film somewhere inside…!
LOL…
Corncob pipes?
Timmmmm ,
this one for the KIBBUTZ & U…
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7HNQ4WyEM&feature=related
You guys might be going into winter, but for us southerners, well its just starting to get real hot…
How about a line of beach towels with ‘BURNT’?
I’d reckon you’d get a few sales out this way pretty damn soon….
White rabbits.
for YOUNG TOM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6xhYk9PEmXA
TOM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude we’re missing you here…
HAIK my man
of course you are right… Drupal is more flexible and more “industrial-strength” than WordPress… it is belgium’s coolest internet product after all :))
…and we are fully going to use Drupal for the full-fledged online magazine when the time has come for that to happen… and i definitely will be asking for your input on that one…
BUT because in this “first step” we will still always have a home page with *one* feature story or *one* dialogue post (like road trips is now), there is no need for drupal just yet…
hang in tight… it will come soon…
Ok, I just came across this post while checking mail during Jen and I’s Christmas party….. that can’t be grammatically correct…. HELL yeah I can spell grammatically while drunk….
Ill get back to you on the how to finance Burn…..
Don’t think I love the teddy bear though….
Hey this is like a Panos moment…
DAVID,
take a look at this: http://decknetwork.net
this is an ad network but is very different from every other. Take a look at the member sites. They are selective in where they advertise and what they advertise. this might be the solution to all of the financing headache and donate buttons.
ANTON
cheers to you, man. You know what you are doing :). How could I forget that you flew in from Brussels.
PETE….
hey Pete we need you, but not until you have your coffee in the morning!!
cheers, david
p.s. hmmmm, i am not sure i can trust a man who does not love teddy bears….
ALL….
ok, Anton is overworked…and Chris and Anna and i have got to get out…so we are all headed for a Christmas party at the apartment of an old friend…we will get back to your comments in the morning….
we welcome your ideas both serious and in jest…hey, if we can’t have fun, then it ain’t worth it…
cheers, david
Hey this is like a Panos moment…
Posted by: Pete Marovich | December 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
PETE…
honestly…
maybe i hang a lot with obnoxious rappers and other “inflated ego”
beings… maybe LA, fucked my brains out…
but , i dont think that this a “Panos moment”…
i would rather say that this is a “Panos Year”…
how about that!!!!!!!!
chris
Tor is already the size of a small family car.. say.. a nissan micra.
on the website.. brilliant it’s all going so well.
with content i would say the sites i enjoy the most are ones where i look forward to the content being updated. that’s not to say that blogs updated weekly are week, more that online magazines that make us wait and then deliver something of top quality strike more of a cord.
on funding.. sites i have helped out with before have never made money through t-shirts and the like.. it’s paid the server costs, with a little beer money left over, and thats the lot.
what about setting up a cash-cow such as print sales.. high quality signed prints.. short runs.. maybe that has been discussed?
commission and the like..
advertising is the obvious funding stream.. but so many sites get it wrong and end up looking like a cheap mail-order catalog.. so the idea of funding from specific partners for specific projects does seem a good idea.
has there been any talk of gaining a single, high end funder who could use the regular investment as a tax write-off and also to expand their image?
the British journal of photography managed a deal with nikon for the inside back cover of ever weeks issue, entitled ‘end-frame’ and intended to show new photographers.. that’s the kind of thing i am thinking for a solid, regular contributor for costs.
are there thoughts along the lines of paying photographers for commission? that would be fantastic, obviously.. maybe too much to hope for.. repro fee’s could work and i’m sure all dedicated here can find the moula to fund their own mumblings.
The corncob on a t-shirt… c’mon, You know it’d be a big seller!
emphasis on the Bass
excuse typo’s and early morning (6.10am), missing letters..
the BJP – inside back cover of every weeks issue..
print sales – commission for the site.. 40%?
panos.. acknoledged with thanks.
and presents for all..
a dj
a fish
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/3098653810_46442e5db7.jpg?v=0
and one from the archives, 1991 when i was 18
..a 27 year old man betrothed to a 13 or 14 year old girl.. small village arranged wedding.. he ran off into the jungle with mates, chomping on hash cookies, on the 3rd or 4th day while she wept and could not be consoled by her school friends.
i took two frames.. in the other she is looking down and the running makeup is clearer.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/3098723952_2881a11818.jpg?v=0
love to all the babies born out of love and everyone – photograph more parties.
I don’t read all comments buy my answer is;
Ads.
Like every other magazine. How many visitors have you right now and how many will you have with magazine? How much nikon or canon or tesco will be willing pay for place on your site? Internet is almost like tv or paper magazine for ads.
I think it will be quite income site. It depends only how many people will visit per month. if it will be a hundred thousands the site will be worth millions soon. Am I right?
And dog’s clothes it is great idea.
guys you are doing great stuff, my mind is with you.
peace
ADS, ADS , ADS – There’s gotta be someone out there who see’s the merit in paying to be a part of BURN ?
But then there’s someone who has to be the negotiator to recieve , format and insert the Ad’s so It all gets a biy complicated , and last time I looked DAH was still a working photographer .
I would like for this to start out as grass roots as possible , sureley an online magazines expenses are minimal ,when compared to press, staff and Paper of a printed journal?
I remember that Lightstalkers was helped along by contributors , Lurkers and Posters ,Why Not BURN ?
I’d Thankfully kick in 50 bucks for the insights and headfucks that roadtrips has given me over the past couple of years , I’m not saying every one can contribute 50 some can contribute more ,some less but That’s how Obama got up , 50 bucks here 10 bucks there!
Doing it through the organisation set up for Non Profit EPF would mean that….
A – We get the Tax write off , reciept for funds , and the tranparency that will be required when dealing with donated funds.
B – Anything left over can get rolled over into EPF to fund further essays.
C – I can see that some might balk at self funding ,Vanity Press anyone? But once you start looking for Ad’s and supporters who are out of the loop , you need an advocate , a sales director , Blah Blah ,I for one believe that self funded ,moderated by a Non Profit organization base is the way to go initally .
Wish you all the best Burners
Hello,
I love the logo, t.shirt (it will need to think a model of woman!) the clothe for the dog… perhaps envisage a complete range for the photographer (bags, backpack… a jacket, hat, bandana for Panos ! limps to present photos … ) perhaps also to envisage a calendar or even several… As glenn, I also think of the donors ? I do not know too much…
Have a nice day, audrey
David
For money, I think you have what other magazines dont: a big name attached to your project. Yours. And by association Magnum’s. I think thats a golden ticket you have to get as much out of as possible.
As far as how often the content is updated, make sure that you get the balance between quality and quantity. Weekly would be crazy. Monthly? Maybe. Every second month? I think its doable.
“i am wrestling with this one…i do not see how we can update daily”
“but, carefully curated developed stories in the ‘main’ Features section will be , by their very nature, little treasures”
AAAAAAHHHHHHH David, it’s right before your eyes!!!
Think outside the box when you think of features!, think outside the box when you think of frequency!
Think about daily newspaper content and think of the Sunday magazine and only then return to thinking the way you seem to be thinking David constraining yourself to ‘a periodical‘, think hard on how you have the luxury of blending all three of these concepts with electronic media verse printed media.
think about having access to an army of key-strokes and shutter-releases, and feedback, and drama, harness this and you’ve stumbled on to a perpetual motion machine…
You could actually beat Magnum Magazine to the punch… hmmm, But there is no Magnum Magazine? that’s weird, is it because there is not enough ‘features’ to suggest the frequency of one…
Let’s think of the magazine like a content management system, if you’re thinking less than this then you’re going to have to start from scratch later and that’s too exhausting to think about already.
You’re right David, There will be theeeee key feature, the treasure, the essay, The Gallery, the thing you walk by on the way into other areas of interest, this place will hold those diamonds, it will command the best real-estate of the site, and we will be happy about that, the seconds we spend there before going to other areas of the site will grow as we let the message of the essay(s) sink in.
But past the semi-static gallery should be re-occurring modules of features, these modules could be updated as frequently as daily if they were bloggish, weekly if they were to have a seminar discussing an essay, or a seminar to discuss an image, or a seminar to discuss a photographer, or a seminar to discuss a book release. There could be a module that holds the ‘essay on deck’ a place where a draft essay could be raised and real feedback could be accumulated before the essay goes back underground… all of these 24/7 seminars would keep the magazine alive 24/7…
This concept is the remedy to what’s so horribly wrong with this blog David, gold was mined and forged into value on this blog.. But tragically it’s buried in a new mine, a mine of 300 comments per post, it’s almost criminal to think about the lost value sunk in those threads.
But back to the point… what you end up with at the content management level is the device for scrubbing the content to create a real, hold in your hands, collectors item quarterly printed magazine, or annual year book, a collectors item for sure.
This all hinges on organising the magazine (content management system) into modules where draft, reviewed, and approved content can be pushed up virtually and quickly, with the least manual intervention, but with the highest degree of quality control.
And each module needs to have a thread component to it so very relevant information can be collected, and in doing so become the catalogued minutes that the seminar happened and the talent that made the visit can be cemented for future visitors to see. 24/7!
It’s yours to lose David and All… You have the luxery of starting from scratch, the others evolved from primitive platforms bending them to adapt them and the cracks of navigation show… you’re free from all these constraints.
it’s yours to lose!! burns a bit doesn’t it?
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