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		<title>By: Nick Yoon</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Yoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, regarding the misrepresentation of oneself as a Magnum photographer, I&#039;ve come across 2 cases in Switzerland where the photographers seem to be Magnum members although they may only have been correspondents or similar.


&quot;1965 First assignment from Magnum Photos in Paris, for Paris Match, The Observer about President Sukarno of Indonesia. After this assignment, he was with Magnum for over 40 years as well as continuing press work for most important magazines and producing his own projects at the same time.&quot;

http://www.fred-mayer.eu/html/copyright.cfm


&quot;Venzago spent years with the Magnum Agency&quot;

http://www.venzago.com/en/02_biography.php


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, regarding the misrepresentation of oneself as a Magnum photographer, I&#8217;ve come across 2 cases in Switzerland where the photographers seem to be Magnum members although they may only have been correspondents or similar.</p>
<p>&#8220;1965 First assignment from Magnum Photos in Paris, for Paris Match, The Observer about President Sukarno of Indonesia. After this assignment, he was with Magnum for over 40 years as well as continuing press work for most important magazines and producing his own projects at the same time.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fred-mayer.eu/html/copyright.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fred-mayer.eu/html/copyright.cfm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Venzago spent years with the Magnum Agency&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.venzago.com/en/02_biography.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.venzago.com/en/02_biography.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marcin luczkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herve

Enjoy the time in Cambodia. I am in my cold grey sad country with depression huge as mount everest, so I wish be there with you as well.

:)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herve</p>
<p>Enjoy the time in Cambodia. I am in my cold grey sad country with depression huge as mount everest, so I wish be there with you as well.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Haik</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>Haik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panos -
thank you for the kind words and encouragement - I really appreciate it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panos -<br />
thank you for the kind words and encouragement &#8211; I really appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: panos skoulidas</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>panos skoulidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAIK..
I&#039;m so glad that I met U..
You are a great person..
and your photographs were one  of
the best at the students slideshow..
Thank U for the support ...
I will send U a personal email..
but as you know before the court
date, I don&#039;t wanna get any unnecessary
Attention... regarding this case..
All I wanna be is &quot;out&quot; of this ...
and I don&#039;t wanna threaten anyone either..
ALL,
keep shooting ..
... And go check... New DAH
POST... Fresh, fresh, fresh...
In a few minutes ...

Haik..:-)
Thanks again...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAIK..<br />
I&#8217;m so glad that I met U..<br />
You are a great person..<br />
and your photographs were one  of<br />
the best at the students slideshow..<br />
Thank U for the support &#8230;<br />
I will send U a personal email..<br />
but as you know before the court<br />
date, I don&#8217;t wanna get any unnecessary<br />
Attention&#8230; regarding this case..<br />
All I wanna be is &#8220;out&#8221; of this &#8230;<br />
and I don&#8217;t wanna threaten anyone either..<br />
ALL,<br />
keep shooting ..<br />
&#8230; And go check&#8230; New DAH<br />
POST&#8230; Fresh, fresh, fresh&#8230;<br />
In a few minutes &#8230;</p>
<p>Haik..:-)<br />
Thanks again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Haik</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Haik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone - I am Haik-the-sandwich-sharing-guy. Was just a sandwich, Panos, just a sandwich - get over it. but thanks for the other kind words.

Everyone - I think Panos can use our support. We could possibly get a letter of some sort to the court. Of course DAH and friends that were present are the most valuable as witnesses. What happened is just ridiculous, I am sure the fireman was having a bad hair day under the helmet. What he did is a citizen&#039;s arrest which is applicable for cases of felony. Here is what I have found for CA:

&quot;A private person may arrest another: 1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.  2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.  3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it. (C.P.C. 837).&quot;

Panos, man - you might have something in here. Follow up on it. I am sure you have nothing to worry about mainly because your initial arrest have not been lawful for as much as my non-lawyer mind and a little research show. Basically, no felony - no arrest. Check on that one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone &#8211; I am Haik-the-sandwich-sharing-guy. Was just a sandwich, Panos, just a sandwich &#8211; get over it. but thanks for the other kind words.</p>
<p>Everyone &#8211; I think Panos can use our support. We could possibly get a letter of some sort to the court. Of course DAH and friends that were present are the most valuable as witnesses. What happened is just ridiculous, I am sure the fireman was having a bad hair day under the helmet. What he did is a citizen&#8217;s arrest which is applicable for cases of felony. Here is what I have found for CA:</p>
<p>&#8220;A private person may arrest another: 1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.  2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.  3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it. (C.P.C. 837).&#8221;</p>
<p>Panos, man &#8211; you might have something in here. Follow up on it. I am sure you have nothing to worry about mainly because your initial arrest have not been lawful for as much as my non-lawyer mind and a little research show. Basically, no felony &#8211; no arrest. Check on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: panos skoulidas</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>panos skoulidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL,
The VENICE EDIT
EXPERIENCE.. Was UNBELIEVABLE...
I don&#039;t know where to start...
We filled up the whole hotel
Lounge with almost 850 prints..
Three hours later we were down to
100....
Two hours later we were down to 70...
An hour later 60...
And I still haven&#039;t edited all that last
crazy week stuff...
Next is TEXT EDITING.. I need the right
Text..
Then is layout.. I don&#039;t even know..
We will see.. What&#039;s next is next..
Either way.. We did good...
Looking good!!!!!!!!
Love ya all..
Peace


ps: oh... DAH is typing as we speak on his
laptop right next to me...
New post... With two amazing photos..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL,<br />
The VENICE EDIT<br />
EXPERIENCE.. Was UNBELIEVABLE&#8230;<br />
I don&#8217;t know where to start&#8230;<br />
We filled up the whole hotel<br />
Lounge with almost 850 prints..<br />
Three hours later we were down to<br />
100&#8230;.<br />
Two hours later we were down to 70&#8230;<br />
An hour later 60&#8230;<br />
And I still haven&#8217;t edited all that last<br />
crazy week stuff&#8230;<br />
Next is TEXT EDITING.. I need the right<br />
Text..<br />
Then is layout.. I don&#8217;t even know..<br />
We will see.. What&#8217;s next is next..<br />
Either way.. We did good&#8230;<br />
Looking good!!!!!!!!<br />
Love ya all..<br />
Peace</p>
<p>ps: oh&#8230; DAH is typing as we speak on his<br />
laptop right next to me&#8230;<br />
New post&#8230; With two amazing photos..</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CATHY...

what happened to you???  i was expecting you all weekend and had permission for you to sit in  on our programs...anyway, maybe you left  comment that i did not see and something may have come up for you....

anyway, sorry we missed.....


ALL..

what Panos neglected to mention was that when i walked up to the police officers in L.A. who had Panos handcuffed, was that they told me i would too be under arrest too if i even said one more word...and all i did was to politely ask &quot;what is the problem??&quot;  i just wanted to find out why Panos was under arrest...i actually would have &quot;pushed it&quot; further if i had not needed to be in class...i would have been willing to be arrested just to see what in hell they would charge me with...i know some of you may think Panos is a bit of a wild man , but in this case in particular, he was quiet , polite, and not interfering with anything...i suppose the police are particularly sensitive in the Venice Beach area where there is a lot of crime..every night i have been here , there has been some kind of violent incident..

i will try to get a post out this afternoon...you all know by now that when i am with students, i am not with you...but now, i am all yours!!!..i was intensely busy all morning editing from Panos&#039; 850 small prints!!! in the next few weeks i will be doing serious edits for Eric, Patricia, Rafal, Audrey, Erica, Bob, James, Cristina,Marcin, David M., and some others i probably forgot just now...whoever you are , please forgive me and , yes remind me!!


cheers, david
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CATHY&#8230;</p>
<p>what happened to you???  i was expecting you all weekend and had permission for you to sit in  on our programs&#8230;anyway, maybe you left  comment that i did not see and something may have come up for you&#8230;.</p>
<p>anyway, sorry we missed&#8230;..</p>
<p>ALL..</p>
<p>what Panos neglected to mention was that when i walked up to the police officers in L.A. who had Panos handcuffed, was that they told me i would too be under arrest too if i even said one more word&#8230;and all i did was to politely ask &#8220;what is the problem??&#8221;  i just wanted to find out why Panos was under arrest&#8230;i actually would have &#8220;pushed it&#8221; further if i had not needed to be in class&#8230;i would have been willing to be arrested just to see what in hell they would charge me with&#8230;i know some of you may think Panos is a bit of a wild man , but in this case in particular, he was quiet , polite, and not interfering with anything&#8230;i suppose the police are particularly sensitive in the Venice Beach area where there is a lot of crime..every night i have been here , there has been some kind of violent incident..</p>
<p>i will try to get a post out this afternoon&#8230;you all know by now that when i am with students, i am not with you&#8230;but now, i am all yours!!!..i was intensely busy all morning editing from Panos&#8217; 850 small prints!!! in the next few weeks i will be doing serious edits for Eric, Patricia, Rafal, Audrey, Erica, Bob, James, Cristina,Marcin, David M., and some others i probably forgot just now&#8230;whoever you are , please forgive me and , yes remind me!!</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: cathy scholl</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>cathy scholl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERVE.

Gary Knight is usually around for the Angkor festival... as are some of the others from VII. It should be a great time for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERVE.</p>
<p>Gary Knight is usually around for the Angkor festival&#8230; as are some of the others from VII. It should be a great time for you.</p>
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		<title>By: cathy scholl</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>cathy scholl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERVE.

Munem won a big award at Perpignan. He&#039;s very &quot;hot&quot; right now.
Please tell him I love his work :))
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERVE.</p>
<p>Munem won a big award at Perpignan. He&#8217;s very &#8220;hot&#8221; right now.<br />
Please tell him I love his work :))</p>
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		<title>By: herve</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siem Reap (Cambodia)

Arrived yesterday, been attending the Angkor festival of photography, and well, David, Antoine d&#039; Agata is here, though I have yet to meet him. I understand best chance is to err around the red llights district before dawn.

I met also 2 photographers whom I respect a lot, Munem Wasif and Sohrab, which rafal will remember from the trekearth days. Munem did some wonderful work with myanmar refugees in bangladesh (refugee in Bangladesh!?!? That has to say a lot about the dismal state of affairs in mafia-junta ruled Burma). Both are on lightstalkers I think.

There is a party related to the festival at this minute. So, there I go. Siem Reap is the city from where one visits the Angkor temples. It had changed ona grand scale since I came here the first time when there was hardly any tarmac on the roads. Now, it has become a high point of international tourism, so the food is great, and there are as many waterring holes as temples. More, actually.

So here, we are, this shot was taken on &quot;pub&quot; street, this morning:

http://www.pbase.com/image/106315368

PS: best wishes to Panos. Marcin, a few of you too, you wish you were here!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siem Reap (Cambodia)</p>
<p>Arrived yesterday, been attending the Angkor festival of photography, and well, David, Antoine d&#8217; Agata is here, though I have yet to meet him. I understand best chance is to err around the red llights district before dawn.</p>
<p>I met also 2 photographers whom I respect a lot, Munem Wasif and Sohrab, which rafal will remember from the trekearth days. Munem did some wonderful work with myanmar refugees in bangladesh (refugee in Bangladesh!?!? That has to say a lot about the dismal state of affairs in mafia-junta ruled Burma). Both are on lightstalkers I think.</p>
<p>There is a party related to the festival at this minute. So, there I go. Siem Reap is the city from where one visits the Angkor temples. It had changed ona grand scale since I came here the first time when there was hardly any tarmac on the roads. Now, it has become a high point of international tourism, so the food is great, and there are as many waterring holes as temples. More, actually.</p>
<p>So here, we are, this shot was taken on &#8220;pub&#8221; street, this morning:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbase.com/image/106315368" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbase.com/image/106315368</a></p>
<p>PS: best wishes to Panos. Marcin, a few of you too, you wish you were here!</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin luczkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmmm... I feel like survived the global catastrophe. There was some armageddon I have not noticed?
ok. I will post some pictires from my trip during processing on my news site if someone is curious.
http://marcinluczkowski.com/news/

peace (for survivors)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmm&#8230; I feel like survived the global catastrophe. There was some armageddon I have not noticed?<br />
ok. I will post some pictires from my trip during processing on my news site if someone is curious.<br />
<a href="http://marcinluczkowski.com/news/" rel="nofollow">http://marcinluczkowski.com/news/</a></p>
<p>peace (for survivors)</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panos:

Someday you will write a book and Hunter S Thompson will rise from the grave to edit &amp; promote it for you.

Good luck getting your card back, he must&#039;ve been a heckuva detective to FIND the SD card in an M8!!

You have card ressurection software right? You never know what you might find.

Neil
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panos:</p>
<p>Someday you will write a book and Hunter S Thompson will rise from the grave to edit &#038; promote it for you.</p>
<p>Good luck getting your card back, he must&#8217;ve been a heckuva detective to FIND the SD card in an M8!!</p>
<p>You have card ressurection software right? You never know what you might find.</p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Friso Spoelstra</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Friso Spoelstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panos,

Here in The Netherlands photographers are member of a union for freelance photographers and journalists. They are the ones to assist in cases like police brutality. Isn&#039;t there something like that in the US?  Good luck!

Friso
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panos,</p>
<p>Here in The Netherlands photographers are member of a union for freelance photographers and journalists. They are the ones to assist in cases like police brutality. Isn&#8217;t there something like that in the US?  Good luck!</p>
<p>Friso</p>
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		<title>By: panos skoulidas</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>panos skoulidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student  SLIDESHOW,
ready to start...
In a few moments..

VENICE EDIT... In Public next...
In the lobby of the Cadillac hotel..
On the  pool table..
Jim Morrison
Performs 18 feet away..
Couldn&#039;t get any better than that...
or maybe..

ps: I met a cool photog today..
His name: HAIK...
He gave his sandwich...
Couldn&#039;t get any better than that..
Meeting a great photog and
a generous soul too...
to be continued...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student  SLIDESHOW,<br />
ready to start&#8230;<br />
In a few moments..</p>
<p>VENICE EDIT&#8230; In Public next&#8230;<br />
In the lobby of the Cadillac hotel..<br />
On the  pool table..<br />
Jim Morrison<br />
Performs 18 feet away..<br />
Couldn&#8217;t get any better than that&#8230;<br />
or maybe..</p>
<p>ps: I met a cool photog today..<br />
His name: HAIK&#8230;<br />
He gave his sandwich&#8230;<br />
Couldn&#8217;t get any better than that..<br />
Meeting a great photog and<br />
a generous soul too&#8230;<br />
to be continued&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: panos skoulidas</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-699</link>
		<dc:creator>panos skoulidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ALL
we are in the class...
Right now. Editing students..
As always intense and rewarding...
Soonest...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL<br />
we are in the class&#8230;<br />
Right now. Editing students..<br />
As always intense and rewarding&#8230;<br />
Soonest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Subhrajit Basu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subhrajit Basu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panos! Really incredible situation and inexplicable behaviour! It has no doubt been a nightmarish experience for you! All we can do right now is to give you our support here, whatever it is worth. I sincerely hope this will settled amicably very soon.

However, this really opens up a new topic (and what an important topic!) of &#039;what to do&#039; and &#039;what not to do&#039; for photographers. In your case, it was some official guys. I am also really pissed of by some busybodies who come and ask why I am shooting, as if the world belongs to him. I shoot in India and here generally a smiling face or a joke or something generally does the trick. But there are situations where one cannot keep his cool, even with the greatest effort on his part, like where somebody persistently disturbing you while you are shooting, just because this busybody doesn&#039;t have anything better to do or he is trying to get over his frustration over the photographer. I have seen so many of these losers who try to get officious whenever they see somebody shooting. There are many trying situations that photographers have to face, for no fault of their own. One cannot discuss the so-called &quot;photographer&#039;s rights&quot; with these guys because they are simply not ready to listen to anything. So one has to invent things to get rid of these guys. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. But photographers must not lose their cool, whatever be the provocation, that&#039;s for certain. Because the moment the photographer loses his cool, the busybody gets the fuel to interfere further. I know this has not been the case with you. But we need to discuss this here. We need to know the views of different photographers about how they cope with these adverse conditions.

Anyway, best of luck mate...I am sure you shall conquer at the end
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panos! Really incredible situation and inexplicable behaviour! It has no doubt been a nightmarish experience for you! All we can do right now is to give you our support here, whatever it is worth. I sincerely hope this will settled amicably very soon.</p>
<p>However, this really opens up a new topic (and what an important topic!) of &#8216;what to do&#8217; and &#8216;what not to do&#8217; for photographers. In your case, it was some official guys. I am also really pissed of by some busybodies who come and ask why I am shooting, as if the world belongs to him. I shoot in India and here generally a smiling face or a joke or something generally does the trick. But there are situations where one cannot keep his cool, even with the greatest effort on his part, like where somebody persistently disturbing you while you are shooting, just because this busybody doesn&#8217;t have anything better to do or he is trying to get over his frustration over the photographer. I have seen so many of these losers who try to get officious whenever they see somebody shooting. There are many trying situations that photographers have to face, for no fault of their own. One cannot discuss the so-called &#8220;photographer&#8217;s rights&#8221; with these guys because they are simply not ready to listen to anything. So one has to invent things to get rid of these guys. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. But photographers must not lose their cool, whatever be the provocation, that&#8217;s for certain. Because the moment the photographer loses his cool, the busybody gets the fuel to interfere further. I know this has not been the case with you. But we need to discuss this here. We need to know the views of different photographers about how they cope with these adverse conditions.</p>
<p>Anyway, best of luck mate&#8230;I am sure you shall conquer at the end</p>
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		<title>By: marcin luczkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcin luczkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Panos

That&#039;s why I said trouble it is you second name. You have to do nothing wrong and you have trouble anyway. Karma? :)
We are with you. Have a bright thoughts.

peace and freedom for Panos
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Panos</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I said trouble it is you second name. You have to do nothing wrong and you have trouble anyway. Karma? :)<br />
We are with you. Have a bright thoughts.</p>
<p>peace and freedom for Panos</p>
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		<title>By: panos skoulidas</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>panos skoulidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ERIC,
That dog bit more than 6 people..
The last 4 months only..
The CITY is about to get sued..
They had numerous complaints but
never removed that dangerous dog
from the Venice area..
THE CITY IS ABOUT TO GET SUED..
I have ( had ) the evidence..
I got caught in the mix..
That&#039;s all..
Someone has to get punished..
It just happened to be me..
End of story...

( literally I might need some help here..;-). )
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ERIC,<br />
That dog bit more than 6 people..<br />
The last 4 months only..<br />
The CITY is about to get sued..<br />
They had numerous complaints but<br />
never removed that dangerous dog<br />
from the Venice area..<br />
THE CITY IS ABOUT TO GET SUED..<br />
I have ( had ) the evidence..<br />
I got caught in the mix..<br />
That&#8217;s all..<br />
Someone has to get punished..<br />
It just happened to be me..<br />
End of story&#8230;</p>
<p>( literally I might need some help here..;-). )</p>
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		<title>By: JChance</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>JChance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PANOS:

http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

&quot;law enforcement officers
may object to photography but
most understand that people have the
right to take photographs and do not
interfere with photographers. They do
have the right to keep you away from
areas where you may impede their
activities or endanger safety. However,
they do not have the legal right
to prohibit you from taking photographs
from other locations.&quot;

J
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PANOS:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;law enforcement officers<br />
may object to photography but<br />
most understand that people have the<br />
right to take photographs and do not<br />
interfere with photographers. They do<br />
have the right to keep you away from<br />
areas where you may impede their<br />
activities or endanger safety. However,<br />
they do not have the legal right<br />
to prohibit you from taking photographs<br />
from other locations.&#8221;</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: JChance</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/11/pattaya/comment-page-3/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>JChance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PANOS. Man that is some serious bullshit! I´m shocked! It has already been said, but they have NO right. From my little time at newspapers I know if you are in a public space, you did not cross the tape and were not getting in their way you have done nothing wrong. It is not illegal to take photographs of firemen or ambulances!!?? Not sure about the card, but i´m pretty sure they can´t take it from you either!

Obviously you will have to go to court, but I don´t know what they can hang on you!!?

If you want to take it to them get in touch with the NPPA they know all the in´s and out´s of this stuff. This kind of thing happens far too often. How many of the other folks there had their cell phones out snapping away I wonder!?

Good luck!! James
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PANOS. Man that is some serious bullshit! I´m shocked! It has already been said, but they have NO right. From my little time at newspapers I know if you are in a public space, you did not cross the tape and were not getting in their way you have done nothing wrong. It is not illegal to take photographs of firemen or ambulances!!?? Not sure about the card, but i´m pretty sure they can´t take it from you either!</p>
<p>Obviously you will have to go to court, but I don´t know what they can hang on you!!?</p>
<p>If you want to take it to them get in touch with the NPPA they know all the in´s and out´s of this stuff. This kind of thing happens far too often. How many of the other folks there had their cell phones out snapping away I wonder!?</p>
<p>Good luck!! James</p>
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