a quick reading of comments under our previous post and you will note that our boys Marcin (with his wife Alex) and Herve are now in Pattaya, Thailand…a quick review of Herve's picture diary tells us they are having a good time ….i have re-posted Herve's photo links here for easier review….
several years ago i photographed a short essay on child abuse in Thailand, and most specifically shot in Pattaya…one of Herve's pictures appears to have been shot in EXACTLY the same location as one of mine above…small clues will reveal….
match the shot of Herve's with the shot of mine…..yes, of course, one of my old camera bags is the prize for the CORRECT ANSWER ….
nope, that is not the end of my little contest….a signed copy of "Living Proof" goes to the reader who now asks the CORRECT QUESTION…
Oh bloody hell is that like the ‘Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy’?
If so the answer is 42!
Dunno what the correct QUESTION is though…
Bloody hell is this like the ‘Hitch Hikers Guide To The Universe’?
If so the ANSWER is 42….
But I am buggered if I know what the QUESTION is….
question: what is the bar where Marcin is seating ventilating?
(david’s photo #5)?
David:
Your picture and Herve’s picture are these:
Your picture child wearing white Levi shirt and with Red Hand in foreground and Herve’s picture here:
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106070025
I am the same type of Bamboo chairs……but as I have never been to Thailand, i dont know how similar this is…
the question:
where did Marcin get the Harvey hat?? ;))
hugs
b
i meant the same type of bamboo chairs… not “i am the same type of bamboo chairs”…maybe that means the same…im running on low voltage (almost no sun for 4 weeks in TO and my spirit is leaden)….
PATTAYA, November 18th
Picking up Marcin in 20 minutes for the boxing camp. We had a great time this morning, catching the arrival fo the fishing oats and fish loads in the Bang saray jetty. Up at 5h (last I was up that early in Pattaya, i was in a sleazy club-cum-disco, that’s quite a few years ago!), Marcin riding with me thru the early dawn, on the back seat of my moped. Great light, plenty of activity, yes, maybe someday David, you too catch up with me in Thailand. I am sure Marcin will be back,as well!
Last night was getting really into the zone, the center of Sodom and Gomorha, the infamous “Walking Street” of Pattaya. Well, it’s like anything in Thailand, the good naturedness of it all takes away quite a bit of the sleaze, and it’s not far as wild as it was a decade and more ago, when it went on around the clock.
yet, I believe a few sights had Marcin (who came along with his charming wife, Alex)…. Well, ventilating a bit…:-)))
Again, I don’t make things up:
Marcin getting, ever so slightly in the zone (get Capa-closer, Marcin… she won’t bite!):
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106070027/original
No wonder it got hotter as the night went on:
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106070025
But we had not seen anything yet, it got strange:
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106070022
and even stranger:
http://www.pbase.com/image/106070019
Mind you, we left these Pattaya denizens to do their worse (or best, pretty synonymous here!!!) well before midnight, with a wake-up time at 5H the next morning. I wonder if Marcin had dreams or nightmares….Forgot to ask! :-)))
Posted by: Herve | November 18, 2008 at 02:57 AM
My match is your photo of the child with Levi’s t-shirt (Pattaya 5) and Herve’s photo titled “Marcin in the zone-Pattaya” -
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106070027/original
I was a little baffled though. From Magnum site, I see all the above photos of yours (except the bottom one-Pattaya 3, which I did not find in Magnum site) were taken at Bangkok and the original story was titled “THAILAND. Bangkok Prostitutes”. Why this discrepancy?
Bob’s got the right photo I suspect..
RIGHT QUESTION: The hand in DAH’s photo, who does it belong to?
SUBHRAJIT
all of the pictures did come from the Magnum site including Pattaya 3 which is right there with all the others…it might depend on how you searched whether this particular shot was on the pages..however this location discrepancy was just noticed by me too…i had also shot many pictures in BKK at the same time and whoever on our staff was doing the key wording just got confused and i never caught it…if one of these pictures ever went out to a magazine or whatever, we would then have caught the mistake and corrected since everything gets run by the photographer before publication…
how would you like a job as a researcher?? we always need good “fact checkers”!!!
cheers, david
about the hand..John Vink’s??
I think Bob might have the right answer as well…
Right Question… Why is the child boxer photo included in an essay on prostitution?
Sorry David if my question irritated you because I admit my question may not have been of any relevance to the point under discussion. To be frank, the “discrepancy” came to my notice as I wanted to take the short route to your bag by matching something with Pattaya and Harvey in Magnum (and there were none)! All came under the same story “Thailand. Bangkok Prostitutes” story. Now after your post, I tried to find the missing Pattaya 3 and now it comes under the story VIETNAM, though the location is mentioned as Bangkok!!! see this link – is it another d?
http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxZoom_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOBXN86QZ&IT=ImageZoom01&PN=2&STM=T&DTTM=Image&SP=Search&IID=2S5RYDY2OU_8&SAKL=T&SGBT=T&DT=Image
*** By the way, I am ready to take up the job of researcher, if you offer it :)
“fact checker”…right? ;)
DAVID.
I have not forgotten you will be in LA this weekend. Remember, I had wanted to take the JD workshop…until you advised that I wait for a “shooting” workshop.
In the meantime I am in San Diego. Had been planning to come up to LA but now it’s not looking like there is a reason to. Or is there? You’re not giving a lecture or anything are you? With Alex they had one evening open to the public…
ERICA…
funny guess, but not the right one!!
JONATHAN….
i did not say the story was on prostitution , but on CHILD ABUSE…of course, prostitution a big part of that, but not the only part…
children boxing is harmful to their little heads etc ,,,,,
hey, by the way, where did you go??? we all saw some interesting police work in Baltimore, then you disappeared…did i miss something??
cheers, david
DAVID,
I just called your iPhone ..
There must be something wrong
with AT&T..
Either way, I got all your flight info/ time arrival
etc…
See you at LAX…
peace..
( pls check with your phone provider..
your phone is off…)
whose red hand?….i think the David’s story is from 20 years ago…i seem to remember seeing it when i looked at David’s vietnam/thailand work earlier this year…so, maybe the red hand is one of david’s sons when they were young???
….i dont think John V was in cambodia in 89/89….
ok, running running….
hugs/hugs
‘love/love’ (name of that bar??)
cheers
b
“love lock”-name of that bar!?
David,
I say ‘Pattaya’ (boxer child) and ‘Even more Strange’ (um, wo/man walking) are the photos shot at the same place.
As for the Question it is just so obvious: Where are all we Road Trip bloggers going to shoot together for a piece in the new project?
Doug
CATHY…
i do not know the protocol of the Julia Dean seminars, but i am quite sure i can get you in to at least some part of it…sure you should come anyway and hang out…i would love to see you…if you call me either thursday evening or friday during the day, i can let you know for sure one way or the other about coming in..how long will you be in San Diego?? i will be around for awhile after the weekend anyway…i do hope we will meet….
cheers, david
No SHIT! David has a iPhone?
David, that is a whole lot of technology for you… I assume that Mike is guiding you along?
Hope all is well.
PETE: :)))
i think David’s IPhone has a GPS Navigational System Device which I think I saw him use it to get to the top of the stairs at the Kibbutz ;)))…
and Mike used said device to open a few bottles of beer ;)))…if my memory (which is shaky) serves me correct…
but, if the techo is too much for david: IT’S PANOS’ FAULT ;))))0
cheeers
bob
David using it to navigate stairs, that I believe.
Mike using one to open a few beers…. no way… I have seen him open beer… the guy is a pro.
PETE…
yes, i was walking down the street in New York with Panos during my last loft workshop, and he made me buy an iPhone…AND, i just got my first bill: $1,235….as we used to say in college, fanfuckingtastic!!!
cheers, david
David, please don’t tell me you had it turned on and using it for email and such while out of the country!
And if not… DAMN you talk alot.
I have had mine for a year, I use it all the time since I have no other phone. Jenny has one also on the same line and we will never at this point be able to use our rollover minutes.
Hi all!!!
This subject is ready in the reader:
http://jnss.x10hosting.com/dah_reader/
Don’t forget to wait a few seconds after selecting a subject!!!
According to David’s little contest, i also think Bob is right…
I found a job, so less time for photography, so sad….
love
The Question Is:
Car A leaves New York travelling West at 60mph
Car B leaves Los Angeles travelling East at 73mph
Which Led Zeppelin CD is playing in Car A?
Am I n the running for the camera bag? probably not, member of the family here, I guess! :-)))
The shots with real clues about the location come from Walking Street, the ring is located right under the famous MARINE DISCO, and it seems you took the shot with the hand and kid in white t-shirt from Jenny’s katoey bar ( a good place to watch the world go by, as you picked out instantly!), with the 19th Hole bar wicker chairs across the street. This is an early dawn shot, BTW.
BTW, once again, David, with these kids shots we intuitively connected. i was going to speak about the boxing camp I took Marcin to yesterday, and how appearances can sometimes tell the wrong, or at the very least, uncomplete story.
The camp was created 46 years ago, by Mr Sidyodtong, an ex-champion. I was not aware of that 2 years ago, and sure kept my pictures for myself until now, because of the controversy about abuse vs culture (muay thai is to kids, here what soccer is for euro kids, the Graal), but actually, the kids in the camp are NOT exactly training to fight.
they are poor kids that their families have brought to Mr S. to be taken care of, and given an education they themselves can’t afford to pay for. Mr S. pays for everything, lodging, school, and the practice of Muay thai is more a matter of instituting personal discipline and learning rules than making underage kid fighters out of them (I am sure the kids dream of fighting, quite another story).
Marcin can attest to the laughters we kept hearing as the kids stage mock fighting between themselves, as any kid would in a schoolyard.
I have not seen what I shot yesterday yet, these shots are from 2 years ago, they are of course from Mr Sidyodtong training camp:
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106098450/original
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106098448
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106098449
http://www.pbase.com/uc/image/106098447
ALL.
DAH and 34 other Magnum photogs give advice…on the Magnum blog:
http://blog.magnumphotos.com/2008/11/wear_good_shoes_advice_to_young_photographers.html#more
DAH.
Okay…I will call! I’d love to sit in on the class either Saturday or Sunday…please let me know if you find out it’s doable.
David, All
Yes, yes we had great time with Herve here. You meet his so you know Herve is great guy. He take care ofe me here in his second home. I try to convince him to show more his pictures (yes Herve), not only one or two.
For mine you have to wait for a bit. I have no idea what pictires I will have. I not use flash so everything will move. We’ll see. I am curious myself. I will process the films from Walking street first.
No more films for leica I have now so Herve will borrow me his Digi camra for today’s trip to boxing camp.
Last two days and I am comming home. This was great trip. Asia is amazing place for photographers. I undretstand John Vink very well now.
Ok, all for now. I will look here later.
peace
HERVE/ MARCIN,
The two of you seem to have a great time together in Thailand… Thanks for sharing this with us all. My question is where is Marcin lovely wife????
CATHY,
Thanks for sharing the link again. I had read the article on the Magnum blog few days ago thinking that David would have liked to say something as well, had be been around….this is now the case…. For his advice to young photographers, I smiled when reading the sentence “It is all about authorship, authorship and authorship”…seems like we have heard this before here :):):):)…
DAVID,
I am going to have to complete my boxing work by next summer latest… My company has asked me to move back to Europe by then… Yes, after 3 years in Italy, 3 in the US, the family should be heading to Brussels by then… The first thing I said to my wife was shit, Brussels is so grey, no colors, there will not be much to photograph and then I smiled thinking about what I was telling you about Cincinnati not that long ago :):):)… and after all, there are some Belgium photographers like Gruyaert who did find some colors somewhere, so there is hope… Now, back to my current project, I like what you said to Patricia that it is good to have a time limit for a project… I have just created one as we speak…
Will call you next week as agreed,
Cheers,
Eric
KATHARINA,
I had missed your link on the previous post. I told you before that I am a huge fan…There are several new images in your essay Human Negociations that I really love (It is on topic I think as you were shooting in Thailand as well). I see what David is saying that there may be some that are close to one another but I would have a hard time picking… Congratulations!
http://www.katharinahesse.com/main.php
Eric
Eric,
thanks a lot for the nice comments. Right, this is just a small update of a previous update etc ….that leads us back to last years’ BKK workshop…….not the final edit yet. David luckily gave some advise we’ll keep in mind for the next trip.
katharina
PS: your very personal approach to the boxing kids is very impressive. How awful this must be for the parents and friends ?
Hey David,
You didn’t miss anything, I am still and avid reader and I have been making occasional posts, its sometimes hard to keep track of them all. I have been super busy trying to put together stories and working away while squeezing some travel in. I am still working on the Baltimore story, the hard sprint I did during the summer did not pay off with the access of what I had hoped for and I took a short break. I have returned to it recently after a teacher who read my blog randomly contacted me about a post I made when I was working on it over the summer. I am hopeful of what is to come. I have some of the work posted on my website under singles.
I didn’t really look at child boxing as child abuse or child endangerment, I realize now because I thought it might be something engrained in their culture as common place and I did not link the danger of it. I can see your reasoning for including it. After reading the story captions on the magnum website, the issue of prostitution stood out to me the most which is why I wondered why it was included.
That was one serious cell phone bill, there is an application you can download from the app story called, “Truphone” , it lets you make international calls over wifi for .03 a minute…
eric
welcome to belgium…. yes it is grey, but if you look hard you can find love & colors here…
and as the saying goes: if you can make great images in belgium, you can make them anywhere…
now isn’t that a challenge :-)
we should meet up once you get here!
cheers
anton
SUBHRAJIT…
i was absolutely not irritated with you at all..i think sometimes when i am writing really fast, i can sound “short” , when in fact i am just “abbreviating”….
your question was a fair one…and i just wanted to explain…i would say that the Magnum key wording and search system is not yet perfect…particularly on stories shot back in the late eighties, as was the Thai work which also flowed into the Vietnam work and where our key word folks might have gotten mixed up…this kind of mistake would be unlikely to happen now, but back when we were first digitizing our library, there were many…of course, it is now my personal responsibility to go in a fix all the mistakes and i thank you for pointing out this one..
cheers, david
Hey David,
I have absolutely no clue what the right question is:) But interesting photos. Ive never been to Pattaya, I hear its an interesting place, tho;)
Ive renamed HSH, I dont know if you saw the exchanges in the past thread, but there were some very good suggestions. I wonder what you think about “Little Pieces of Us” as a title. If you have time, drop by, Ive added several new photos, edited down then added more photos again. Check it out when you have the time.
P.S. maybe the right question is “When are you coming to Korea again?”. Do I win? LOL
ALL, as i promised….
( Karim, just helped me create a small, podcast/ movie file/
anyway U wanna call it…
its about SCOTTIE… THE KING..of all Veterans..
i interviewed him with a little Olympus mic.. &
Karim did his magic… its not hard to make a slideshow…
but , trust me, its hard to make a slideshow that loads fast… Magnum-fast….
( anyways,please watch it… & HEAR HIS VOICE…
SCOTTIE’s interview by Jim Morrison…
its only 15 seconds and the
audio/ interview…
its kicking in after the 5th slide… so be patient….)
click below:
http://panosfotografia.com/essays/scottie/scottie.html
morning y’all
peace
ps: ( dont miss Scottie, confessing in the end… ”
(((( I’m gonna GO, i’m gonna GO , MY WAY…. ))))
Hey David, you around? Call me if you are cuz i don’t have your number.
Thanks David for making things clear. The ‘fact checkers’ aspect made me think that you got irritated! I am happy that it was not!
Anyway, your last posts have given a new dimension to some misunderstanding that I had. I always thought that generally the photographers in Magnum (the living ones) did these key-wording things, based on some key-wording policy or something. I am in fact a regular visitor of the Magnum site and generally I keep on running the slide-shows of different photographers many a times and sit back and try to understand what I see. Now, there are many many photographs that I don’t understand at all. In these cases, I look at those keywords and try to have some idea about the thought behind those photographs (believing that those were made by the photographers themselves)! Now, I come to know that this was not the case. :) I think now I have to visit Magnum site more often.
But I do think that key-wording things should be done by the photographers themselves, howsoever boring or time consuming or whatever it may seem.
SUBHRAJIT….
i think it would quite literally impossible for any photographer to do their own key words unless they dropped everything else in their life or just did not have very many pictures to file…such is not the case with me or any photographer i know, unless retired from shooting…….good captions help however…and i think the case we were talking about was just simple captioning about location rather than the 8 or 10 key words that might aid in a search…key wording specifically is usually best left up to key word experts who understand clearly the search engines…as i said, those stories in question were filed way back at the beginning of our digitizing and i doubt few mistakes like those would happen today…
YOUNG TOM…
answer your phone!!
cheers, david
ALL…
i will give this a couple more days before giving out the prizes…however, so far, nobody is even close to the right question!!!
cheers, david
some possible CORRECT QUESTION (s)..
are you in touch with any of the kids you photographed for the piece? how are they doing?
what’s happening with EPF? any new plans for the magazine?
how is your gal in London? :)
will NYC ever warm up again?
Image 2 with yours, #5.
Question: Isn’t that the same person at the far
right in image #2 the same person as in your image #5?
OK, I tried…
The correct question?!?!? You got me here, David. I have no idea where to start on that one. But I went to have a drink at the place we all think you shot and where Marcin was seated. It’s called Lucky Star, 19th Hole was actually the pool lounge on the first floor.
Marcin is approaching the end of his stay, we got lucky (star!) again today, got to see students rehearsing for the King’s birthday. Not lucky for the picture opportunity, but the (giggling) kindness they had to invite us inside the classroom.
Here’s my “circa 2008″ shot for the Muay thai camp:
http://www.pbase.com/image/106122991
I don’t know if this guess has been made, but I’d have to say Pattaya 1 “little boxer” with Herve’s “and even stranger” because the lights are the same. David yours could have been an essay on “hands.” They’re all so intense in you shots.
If my guess is right, I still have no idea what the question would be. But I can dance around a couple of ideas:
Is that a man or a woman?
What is this venue?
Do we need to send Herve and Marcin backup?
DAVID,
Couple of possibly silly questions:
1- Is it on purpose that each picture you are showing, HANDS are playing a critical role? Hand of the coach on the first picture pointing to the kids with his two hands in boxing gloves, hands of the youngThai “lady” who seems to invite you to come to talk with her…, Hand in the air in the third picture in front of this kid who has both hands in his pockets, and finally on the last picture, hand of the man who is holding his head while in front, the lady uses her hands to whisper or mask her mouth… I might be dreaming here but something strange with all these hands…..
2- Final question: what is the missing picture? Somehow, you are a man who always thinks about the layout when presenting your pictures and when I first saw your post, I thought, why is there a hole? Strange? Did David seize these pictures differently, is anything missing???
I am trying my best here!!!!! :):):)
Cheers,
Eric
????????
I do have a serious intuition that the question is ??
?When is the deadline for the EPF?
Or, in a different perspective…
Is everybody have their EPF submissions ready???
(sorry for my english)
DAVID M….
are you volunteering for Thailand “back up”???
we must talk soonest please about magazine design etc…i will be back mid next week and really ready to work first week in december???
Anton is coming to New York to work on the magazine, so is Tom Hyde, and it would be nice to have you…any chance you could get to New York early December?? all interested parties are welcomed to my place to discuss an online magazine…i could literally launch an online magazine almost overnight…our biggest potential problem is CONTENT….we have to estimate how much content we will have and how much we would need weekly, monthly, whatever…if we took all of the work that everyone has done here in the last year, we would probably have only one month’s worth of material, or maybe two…i think we would need some daily material….the long photo essays just are few and far between in actual fact…
anyway, great to hear from you and let’s talk by phone mid-next week…good for you???
ERIC…
no intentional use of “hands” as a theme for Pattaya any more than i always do love hands in general..
the layout “hole” was just me playing with design…no missing picture…and i could only get the sizes you see off the Magnum site, so i did not have much flexibility…
i am so so pleased that you have given yourself a deadline for the current essay..that works…say, i was just thinking, we need to do an edit..can you come to New York for our meeting and then we could edit at the same time??
cheers, david