xxx….


Sally Mann had, early in her career, been accused  by some of shooting child pornography for making photographs of her naked children at home …the FBI raided the studio of Jock Sturges and confiscated his lifetime of work often concentrating on naked pre-pubescent teenagers on a public beach in France…and Antoine d’Agata will, at some point, have to explain to his 3 young daughters why daddy takes pictures of prostitutes….

there is no explanation needed of course at the fine galleries who represent these photographers works…and, of course, even the conservative lawmakers no longer chastise these artists for what they do…maybe they now even want to invest in a print or two!!!

these artists quite simply photograph their own lives….

one of the leaders in self documentation is of course Nan Goldin…her eloquent "Ballad of Sexual Dependency" is a landmark testament to the concept of  "my life is art" with sexuality as just a part of everyday life…Duane Michaels and  Robert Mapplethorpe certainly felt no need to "stay in the closet" and their work often reflects an inner peace…and the remarkable love story by Jacob Sobel, "Sabine," is a newer addition to the collection of fine personal essays…

so, how does one determine when a photographer is making "art" or stepping over the line to indecency???

last week, right here on our squeaky clean forum, controversy arose….our man Panos, never one to be called shy in the first place, took us all down his road of "discovery" with a new woman in his life….the revelations in his new work shocked some, rocked some, and made some readers here fire off charges that Panos had just gone too far this time..

now, wasn’t Panos supposed to be photographing his life??? no holds barred….to stick tight to his assignment ,yes this "event" should have happened at Venice Beach!!! not up in the mountains somewhere… but isn’t it all a part of his rather irreverent self exploration of his California lifestyle???

now, the other photographer who is doing self exploration here is Patricia….she is just as stylistically free as he….Patricia’s hypothetical "immobilization" keeps her from doing absolutely nothing…Patricia knows no bounds… she is as "liberal" as they come…and where some would see storm clouds, Patricia sees clear to the blue horizon…

i am mentoring both Patricia and Panos  towards book projects…these two photographer’s works  quite literally "look in the mirror" perhaps more than any two essays we have going here….these two have much much more in common than whatever differences may be apparent…i think i may be the only one here who has met them both and i see the irony of their similarity…

in critiquing much of the work here from you, i usually ask most of you to "loosen up" a bit…let yourself go…be who you really are….this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control …but frankly, i would rather mentor a photographer  who is "too loose" rather than one who is "too tight"….."too tight" is hard to unwind …"too loose" can be guided to lead to the "edge" and it is right along this "invisible edge"  where the real magic of creativity lies…..

what do you think about this???  not just the right of photographers and artists to explore sexuality , but the deeper value of documenting their own lives for its own artistic sake…

351 Responses to “xxx….”


  • Where can I find panos’s and patricia’s work???
    I’ve been searching the comments and other posts but there is just so much to go through I can’t find it.

    Photographers such as Nan Goldin, Larry Clark, Ryan Mcginley all inspire me so much to just keep photographing my personal life, even if at this time its mainly just for me and my friends/family to enjoy.

  • DAH…

    do you remember after our first workshop together you or I (not sure which one) said that you pulled the stick out of my ass and hit me hard with it….. you totally loosened me up as a photographer. i could never have shot my mexico project the way i use to shoot. by the way – i will be posting that work very soon… you are the best DAH!

    and…. i missed this work of panos’ – is their a link? obviously i am intrigued….

  • DAVID:

    you want LOOSE??….you want exploration?….

    ok, here is one of Marina’s series…about us…..i think you saw part of this work last year when Saal-Ball invited the 2 of us to show some work….

    anyway, it’s her story about lots of things…open the eyes…

    http://www.marinablack.com

    story: HOURS

    GO….

    and wait to you see the ending of bones of time…..there will be nudity there too…

    ENJOY MARINA’S HOURS POEM…

    running
    hugs
    bob

  • Another idea just popped into my head. I feel that right now my work is too tight and i recognize that its my fault. It comes from me being afraid to offend my friends/family/aquaintinces but also i feel most of them are so afraid to open up when my camera is out. I think a lot of this self-consciousness, especially in my age group 18-24, is that everyone is afraid of photos being posted online to photo sharing sites. They don’t seem to think of photography as documentary or art.

  • BOB…

    i LOVE marina’s HOURS project. beautiful, dark, mysterious, loose, open, loving…. love it.

  • David;
    Thank you!!!! That’s what I need to hear, I really appreciate your assessments, it’s the only way for my work to grow and mature!! Feel free to boot my rear as hard as necessary!!!

    My last trip focussed on the kids, who to me seemed to bear the brunt of the conditions etc. The last trip I really wanted to focus on the kids eyes when they let their “guard” slip. That is why to a certain extent I decided to concentrate on portraits for this trip.

    As an opener, I would use the first image (girl collecting water amongst the buildings). This is the one I’ve used to open the lectures I’ve been undertaking.

    I have got “looser” images to put up, which I will try to do soon.

    I am committed to this project (or maybe obsessed as my parents & partner think!!). I realise I must follow it over a relatively long period of time. My idea would be to publish a book in a similar vein to Larry Towell’s “El Salvador”, but in my own style of course…… To be honest I prefer the “very very esoteric and give us an “artistic interpretation” style.

    I found that Timor affected me much more than I ever would have thought. Glenn could probably tell you more, he is the Timor expert!!

    I am however planning another project which ties in with my “Pacific urbanisation” project; and that is the disastrous HIV situation in PNG. I just want to be sure I don’t stretch my meagre resources too thin and not do these projects the justice they deserve. But I do feel I can concentrate on these projects concurrently.

    Thank you

  • GINA :)))))

    I’ve just read your comment to Marina :)))))…..she’s very happy and thanks you :))))…

    ok:

    FOR DAVID/PANOS/GINA…

    very very quick…3 years ago, Marina and I photographed a couple over the course of an evening, which including photographs of them together, before during and after sex….my own photographs became a small series (25 photographs)…

    so, i’ve posted a few of them at flickr for you David…out of sequence, just a few…kept the too explicit out, because they are part of the series, and the work doesnt make sense just posting, but i will put up some here, so you get a flavor….

    work is from 2005/2006…part of the DreamSong series is here:

    i will take them down tomorrow…

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/2721665782/

    the pics from the series i’ve posted are entiteld “couple, for david alan harvey”…

    a few..

    running to bed

    b

  • BOB…

    thank you for sharing. i love the style of both of your work… do you have a website?

    also – the “i phone” of Nachtwey – that is my standing next to him (blurred) – i was working the book signing with Jim.

  • BOB,MARINA….

    well, i have never thought that either one of you was someone i would have to “unwind”..you are looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!!!!!!!!

    CHARLIE, ROSS…

    it is heartwarming to say the least to hear you both with such GREAT ATTITUDES..honestly, i am always worried that my critiques on line sound so much “tougher” than when i do them in person, where body language and eye contact “soften” the words…and where i can move pictures around right in front of you and explain clearly what works and what does not…

    in my workshops i know very well that an honest critique just WORKS…..if RESULTS are what matters, then i will stick with this approach…but, i have not been so sure on line…i did a couple of clear clean honest reviews with some photographers here and never heard from the photographer again…so, i was at one point very discouraged about the on line critique platform….

    i am the last person on the planet to want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but i felt it was too easy to do that with the “coldness” of type on a page as opposed to a hand on the shoulder…

    overall, i have always felt that, painful as it sometimes can be, that i would really be disingenuous if i did not “tell the truth” to the best of my ability and knowledge…

    of course, i am also the first to tell photographers to get “responsible second opinions” too….and , even more than that, always go with your own opinion first and foremost….you are always the “final judge” of your own work…

    cheers, peace et al, david

  • I love personal photo essays…somewhere between the voyeurism and the slight glimpse into how someone sees them self, I love the work of all above mentioned photographers. I also think that whether or not you ever show anyone, there is an importance to turning the camera on yourself to see how it feels.

    GINA-

    so curious to see your mexico pictures, glad you will be posting soon!!

    BOB and MARINA-

    what I would give for a day looking through your projects and negatives, soaking up the grains and hearing stories! Thank you for sharing….

  • David;

    No worries, I’d rather have someone give honest criticism than blow smoke up my rear!!!

    You’re right; Timor is a complex situation, probably even more so since the end of Indonesian occupation. I’ll list some of the facts I need to “describe”…..

    A quarter of the population killed in the 24 years of Indonesian occupation.
    In late 1999, about 70% of the economic infrastructure of Timor-Leste was laid waste by Indonesian troops and anti-independence militias.
    Population, 800,000 and has approximately 100,000 Internally Displaced Persons.
    60 per cent of the population is under age 18
    East Timor has one of the highest birth rates in the world, 7.7 children per woman.
    Infant mortality rate: approx 4.2%, 50 % of infants are underweight
    Only around 20 % of East Timorese graduate from high school
    Unemployment rate of approximately 50 %.
    More than 20,000 young people entered the job market this year but not a single new job was created. No country could bear an unemployment rate growing at two per cent a year
    Half of the population lives on less than US$0.55 a day.
    95% of the population are Roman Catholic.

    I agree to a certain degree about online critiques, it would certainly be MUCH easier to explain my photographic intent face to face!!! But I really do appreciate you taking the time to help me.

    The first image (child gathering water), I think, does sum up the situation to a certain extent. I also tried similar with the soldier (father) holding the hand of his daughter with automatic weapon over the shoulder.

    Any ideas/angles gratefully accepted!!!!

    Thanks again…..

  • marcin luczkowski

    I am “too tight”…

    Bob,

    I love both of yours works…

    must run to hometown…

    peace and unwind to all

  • DAVID

    What happened to the bedroom photo?

  • Tight Shmight – DAH the artists you mention Sally , Jock , and Nan ( sally and Nan’s work is on my wall and and bookshelves) are documenting their lives and all the detailed nuances that long term relationships bring , but they have honed their technique , focused their intent and stayed the course despite all critisism thrown at them , That I think is the difference – The whole personal ,nudity horizontal Tango thing is sooooo easy to do badly , Ya gotta admire the ones who can make it work.
    As for Marinas work , I think I sent a drunken message of appreciation when the site first came up , and quite frankly I’d be dissapointed NOT to see a naked picture of Bob up there! ( It’ is you brother? Is’nt it ? )

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.
    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?
    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.

    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?

    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • ”this does not mean i want to open Pandora’s Box and have you spin totally out of life control ..”

    that would not be something to condone.. be reponsable for.. although the photographs produced could be interesting..

    panos and patricia are both excellent.

    he, because his lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive him when they see his book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to his work..

    she because her lack of unselfconscious attitudes to picture taking.. unafraid how people will perceive her when they see her book… and i think that is a big talent.. because people will talk.. people will judge and bring their own sometimes cynical eyes to her work..

    two of a kind in a way, and then very different at the same time.

    i was surprised when some of jocks photos were removed by authorities from this years ‘festival of photography’, here in norway.

    the organizer commented, rather strongly, in the press that is was ‘ridiculous’ to let a bunch of ‘loonatics’ control what ‘should’ (i hate that word) and should not be exhibited.

    well, quite.

    bob

    i like the couple photos a lot.. allowed me to look at the moments without feeling at all intrusive.. good one.. gently done.. respectful.. hinting at the pleasure without being literal.. like it.

    there is always a camera laying around the flat here and it often gets treated to some very personal moments. perhaps some of them will surface at some point..

    is it time to mention the ‘comfort zone’, i wonder?

    i think mine was blown open far as it would go a long while ago.. more based around seeing some tough examples of mortality as a teenager than anything sexual.. what i would say though is that so long as someone is being honest, of ‘themselves’ and instinctive – anything goes.. i’d say that of life, love and everything, including photosnappery.

  • sorry everyone…
    just got home with a BROKEN IPHONE…
    no phone, or communication, or texting or emails… all day…
    even now… but now im at home… laptop…
    it feels SO WEIRD … NO PHONE….

    anyways… the XXX link below:

    http://web.mac.com/innerspacecowpanos/Site/LOVE_CONNECTIONS.html

  • Ross – Top Left
    The hairdressing pic
    The one with the girl in the red
    Laughing girl
    Sad girl
    are the ones that stand out for me , The whole kid thing is problimatic when a majority of the adults are too stressed out by lifes circumstances to be engaged enough to be engaged with you , whereas the kids are often the most honest and unselfconsious so it’s easy to be drawn in , I grapple with the lack of age diverstity in my work all the time , but it’s not something I think of at the time , Lets face it , it’s on for young and old when it comes to this game – the young and the old – those too young too know and those too old to give a damn!
    on the other hand if you teamed up aspects of your cockfighting stuff your well on the way to a significant body of work.
    Peace is a hard shoot!

  • Hello to all,

    How do we determine when a photographer makes ” the art ” or step over the line in the indecency? I do not know… I think that it varies according to each of us, our perception, our education, our culture and the vision of the photographer… but it is true that with the present pedophilia in the current world it can engender controversies…

    I always had the project to photograph one day surrounding wall(speaker) and my child… and to integrate the work of my grandfather (death) and I which would give the life to speak about the life simply because as soon as we are born, we are already condemned. I am not of rather cheerful but dark nature! But I had an important accident being young, and I very early became aware of the death, then I think that the life is worth being…I maybe a little got lost…

    Bob, I liked a lot your essay on Marina and you, thank you for the sharing of your intimacy…

    Sean, if you do not find an accommodation on Perpignan, you can always sleep at my parent’s to Béziers, and we shall make from round trip(trips)!! I just hope that you are not allergic to cats!!

    Kind regards, audrey

  • http://www.papermag.com/freeformimages/2006/nick_waplington/waplington12.html

    honest.

    ___

    hey panos
    a link for people in china (and norway)?

    muchas tanks.

  • David said for its own artistic sake, which means the artist/photographer treats its body/appearance as an object, just as s/he’d treat any other object worthy of artistic consideration. A portrait of self (projected, propped but not revealed), not a self-portrait (that which is revealed beyond/despite the prop/artistry).

    I see Sally Mann’s family pictures, Nan Goldin’s, Mapplethorpe’s, could there be an effect of “trompe l’ oeil” induced by the artistry. I have no idea, after all, looking at the pictures, who is sally, who is her family, who is Nan, who is Mapplethorpe.

    I think more of a sociology of peer-hood, clanship almost, where indeed one’s individuality, one’s family is maybe treated as a prop to the whole.

    There may be an attempt at documentation, yet I wonder for all the clues these photographers give us, if that isn’t that of behaviour, more than lives, their lives.

    If that makes sense…

  • audrey..

    perhaps how we perceive also depends upon the context of the work.. my baby boy is going to be photographed endlessly.. from the first breath onwards.. and i’ll be careful about where the work goes.. life is life..

    the whole pedophilia scandal that england went through was more to do with ‘silly season’* reporting than anything else.
    there are some very, very dark people in the world.. but the way the media treat the subject is pretty sick as well.
    it is a terrible shame that it feeds on parents worst nightmares and perspective has been lost.. to the point where chris morris did an excellent comedy expose of the media and their attitudes in his ‘brass eye’ series – ‘pedo-geddon’ episode.. which was roundly criticized in the u.k. yet stands as a fitting inditement of the media on the subject..**
    it’s not a program to laugh at perhaps.. more something to watch and think about the media and their own shame.

    * – silly season http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season
    ** – chris morris http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9031532194656768989&q=chris%20morris%20pedophilia&hl=en

  • David, thanks for more explanation was nice to read them again and again and No your critiques are not tougher than could be bore. you’re so kind to all of us
    ALL
    seems everybody here will be in Perpignan, maybe next year I could come too gonna be wonderful to see you in person, have a good time there

  • “…Did you ever say yes to a pleasure?
    Oh my friends, then you also said yes to ALL pain.
    All things are linked, entwined, in love with one another…”

  • “…In reality human life, the earth, the universe, have no purpose or meaning. Thus “my” enterprise begins as nihilism, as negation of traditional ethics and religion.

    At the same time the underlying motive for this denial is a FUCKING
    burning love of life,
    a deep sens(x)ual love of everything that exists, and of the whole of experience, good and bad( fuck it… GO BEYOND GOOD OR BAD ), pleasure and pain.
    We don’t have to feel we are on trial for our eternal lives, we don’t have to prove anything to an invisible judge ( GOD ) in the sky. That realization can be a liberation… motherfuckers!
    Think a b o u t it!

  • Glenn;
    Thanks for the comments. Yes the best of the cockfighting will be used if I’m ever in a situation to publish. I tried to make that as abstract and loose (for me!)

    In Timor I also focused on the children specifically to highlight the “problem” of such a disparity in the ratio of young and old.

    I’m not sure if any camps will be left at Xmas, but think that it will be an interesting time to be there. Maybe a bit too wet though!!!

    I will be putting up my new stuff, probably this week, some work from Maubisse etc. A mate of mine does my web work (for free!), so I don’t hassle him too much to get things done.

    Have you looked at Garden Djama in Arnhem Land: Permaculture Design with the Barrara and Djinang?

    http://ipc6.permaculturewest.org/ch06/calland/index.html

    I do quite a bit of work here in NZ for permaculture/organics magazines. I found the link whilst looking for subjects just in case I was in Darwin for a reasonable length of time. It might be a positive story to use for your work???

    Thanks for the comments, I really appreciate them.

    Cheers.

  • “…Eternal return

    Can you not hear it? Can you not smell it? Now my world is complete. Midnight is also midday. Pain is also joy, curse is also blessing, night is also a sun . . .
    Did you ever say yes to a pleasure? Oh my friends, then you also said yes to all pain. All things are linked, entwined, in love with one another.

    Did you ever want once to be twice? Did you ever say “Fortune, instant, moment, I love you!” If so, then you wanted everything back.

    Everything over again, everything eternally, everything linked, threaded, in love, oh, just so did you love this world.

    You eternals, love her for ever and at all times, and even to woe you will say: pass away, but return. For all joy longs for – eternity.

    All joy wants eternity for all things. It wants honey, wants yeast-lees, wants drunken midnight, wants graves, wants grave tears’ comfort, wants gilded sundown.

    What does joy not want? She is thirstier, heartier, hungrier, more terrible and more secret than all woe; she wants herself, bites into herself; the will of the ring struggles in her.

    She wants love, she wants hate, she is profligate, she gives, throws away, begs someone to take her, thanks him if he does, she loves even to be hated.

    So rich is joy that she thirsts for pain, for hell, for hate, for shame, for cripples, for earth – for this earth, oh, she knows it well!

    ” Also Sprach Zarathustra ”

    peace

  • For me one of the best personal essays is by Solbol “Sabine”….just magic..it appeals to me on every level, from the subject matter, the mystery of the photos and the aesthetics of the high contrast b/w. Just stunning.

  • http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    more.. and more. and more.. and more..

    panos hola
    – is there a general link for your work, for the visceral pleasure of those in china and norway? i have no joy with the regular links.

  • BTW
    i’m finding editing in B&W really usefull.

    the photos open quicker and there is also a simpler method of viewing.. i’m choosing photos on the interest rather than the colour.. looking forward to seeing them in colour again once edited.. for now though it’s all B&W, baby

  • in honour of this post..
    http://bp3.blogger.com/_D7BO-iIFIl0/SJLQNJeHamI/AAAAAAAAAcM/yk43fLTKw44/s1600-h/Untitled-12.jpg
    nothing mysterious about it.. it was in a dark corner of a public space after all.

    beate had some trouble last night looking through my work.. we talked for a long while about it.. her fear being that it is a world i am missing.. a place i wanted to stay in.

    as i showed her more work and she wandered through it herself this morning there is a better understanding i think..

    photographing the obscene does not make me obscene..
    disturbed at times, perhaps..

  • DAVID:

    What’s loose? ;))))))….

    GINA: :)))

    WEBSITE: that’s in the works…by end of the year, something will be unwrapped ;))…thanks so much for your kind words :))

    ANNA: :)))

    any time your here, let us know: we’ll feed you lots of stories…and other goodies :)))…yea, grain grain grain….like time’s kisses and welts…it’s why both marina are obsessed with it…i tend to wreck my images with it…just as time…many dont understand that, but, well…what can one do :)))

    MARCIN: :))

    THANKS. Yes, I love Marina’s pics so much too…and we are a completely loose and open family…photography, like the rest of our lives, is part of our breathing, and so why should we be afraid to show ourselves…:))…marina’s project, i think, captures the joy and sadness, the mystery and the ho-hum of the life of a couple (us), it’s love and it’s celebration, its solitary and union…we’re both pretty free…and why not?…’cause the world enslaves, the world wants to pigeon-hole, the world wants to define…so we must try to be open with whatever it is we are…dharma…

    BROTHER GLENN: in Marina’s post: that would be me :))))…young, slim, laughting, sleeping me…love how the shadows make me look strange: sometimes fat, sometimes bird-like, sometimes grandfatherly…the beauty and mystery of light and shadow :))

    DAVID BOWEN:

    thanks mate :))…i love the party pics too from yesterday (so many brilliant shots: bubble gum, girl with big tongue lunging, girl sleeping under newspapers, ass grabbing, sadness in corner of club, etc…) i just didnt have time to write…

    ok…i’ll take down the pics now…

    someday, i’ll post the entire series of DreamSongs…the whole suit from the woman singing (guitar and flute) to the wrestling to the xxx to the post-coital…i’ts one of my favorite projects and one of which im my proud, photographically….dont judge on the flickr pics: those are old, small res scans with old, bad scanner from 3 years ago…

    FOR NOW: ENJOY MARINA’S STORY :)))

    hugs
    running
    bob

  • DAH – on the run here – haven’t checked in for a while. Charlie Harbutt “loosened” me up. I think it’s more important to be able to loosen up photographers. We can all be terribly bound by “painterly” rules or what we see in the latest leading “photo” magazine or website. I’ll never forget being with our old pal Mark Godfrey back in Topeka – I was looking at an issue of “Infinity”. I showed him a photograph (long forgotten) and asked what the deal was with the picture? It didn’t make any sense to me. He looked at it and said, “why not?” A surprisingly eloquent two word answer to a difficult question. Anyway, I think you’re doing a terrific thing here. More power to you.

  • ps.

    AUDREY :)))..

    MERCI BEAUCOUP :)))…L’essai photographique de Marina et moi (HOURS) est les photo de Marina. :)))

    Son travail: nos corps, sourires, déchirures, joie. ;)

    Mien est l’histoire du couple russe. (OLD CLE)

    :))

    bob

  • I haven’t seen the Panos post but I have before me a monograph of the work of Nan Goldin. One photograph is titled ” Misty and Jimmy Paulette in a taxi, New York City USA”. They are on their way to a Gay pride meeting. It is one of the most powerful photographs that I have seen. I look at it and, knowing the times, I fear for their safety. I also see two complete people. This photograph, and my having some friends who happen to be gay has led me to question the stance of organized religion towards the gay issue. I love the fact that gay stands for “Good As You”. Some religious groups will tell you that to be gay is a perversion. Well, yes, for ME to be gay may be a perversion but for others it would be perverse NOT to be gay!

    My point is that it is the intention that is important: in photography as in life. If you are true to yourself and harm no-one in the process, you will be complete. Poor, probably, but complete.

    Good light to all,

    Mike.

  • SIDNEY….

    right after i posted the picture of the young woman on the bed, i remembered that i heard she just had a new baby….i have not spoken with her for a couple of years, do not know her husband etc…

    my son’s girlfriend is a friend of hers, as is David M, but i just thought it prudent to take the picture down until i have her permission to publish it…

    she loved the picture when i took it, but times change and her life status has obviously also changed..let’s wait and see what she says…

    cheers, david

  • RAFAL..

    yes, i should have mentioned “Sabine”…i will put it in now…thanks for the reminder, i love that book too…

  • DAVID:

    i’ve taken the Russian couple photos down…someday, i’ll show you the whole series…very proud of the work…i showed some of the prints to the man (friend, painter, who know lives in Moskva) and he didnt say anything…had to feed him a bottle of wine to talk :))…part of a book someday as well..

    as to SABINE..well, you already know what i think of Jacob…funny…SABINE was exhibited here at a book store (not a gallery)…stunning..no one, hardly anyone went..no review/write up..broke my heart: posted like hell at LS about the work, the book, 3 years ago..so funny now, to see him as a Magnum photographer…SABINE is one of the finest and most sad love songs i’ve swallowed…im guessing Jacob’s book on Tokyo will be just like that: a love song about his new partner and the world of tokyo…

    Bones is also a love song…and will include nudity (not much) of a very graphic nature…..

    our bodies, the singers of our lost and sweeping spirits…it will be a test too, ’cause i’ll have to show dima the series at some point, including the self-portraits that i made…

    to embrace that which we are often unable to, in truth, embrace, without judgment or collusion…

    can you email me your cell phone…so i can call u when u return from Tuscany…

    hugs
    b

  • BOB….

    i think “Sabine” was just flat out a “one of kind” love story…i have seen Tokyo and it is not the same thing at all..very good, but very different…i mean, why would it be or should it be like “Sabine”?

    for a future post we may want to discuss what happens if a photographer creates such a strong iconic work that she/he can never escape that original work…i have seen that happen many times as i am sure you have as well..

    e-mail coming to you now…

    off to a Magnum picnic at the beach…yup, we have picnics!!!!

    cheers, david

  • thanks bob.
    i’ve lots of respect for you’re openness and knowledge base on this here confluence of thoughts, and your compliment is well received.

    damn.. i must be able to write just as well as you.. i am english ..
    nope…. ahh.

    BTW – the link you have on LS for your weekly screenings i broken..

    pea’s n chips

  • picnics.. do you take teddybears?
    one of the bonuses of becoming a father i look forward to with relish (pun).
    teddy-bear picnics.

    the fishing shop will replace my rod which broke.. totally irrelevant, i know.. i know..

    patricia

    may 2009.. replied in other thread.
    love to..
    love to..
    :o)

  • I just found this thread, thanks to a lovely email from Reimar Ott, one of our brothers in Germany.

    David, I’ve found that you and I are often dancing along parallel paths in our thoughts here on the blog. During my long drive yesterday–God, I LOVE going on long road trips by myself!–I started thinking that it was time to add some bare-assed self portraits to my project. And I know just the one I want to start with. It is

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/92469434

    This is from a series I worked on all winter called “Winter Nudes.” Some are self portraits but there are also pics of a dozen friends who kindly posed for me and allowed me to post the pics online. I allowed myself to play with the presentationns of these photos and had a wonderful time doing so. The link to the entire series is

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/winter_nudes

    Bodies are bodies, nothing more, nothing less. As an artist I’ve always found them beautiful. How we portray our own and others’ bodies says more about us than how we portray any other subject.

    By the way, I adored Marina’s “Hours” from the first time I ever saw it. Exquisite work! And Bob, I’m sorry I missed the opportunity to see your couples pics. By the time I found this thread, that link was asking for a password.

    Patricia

  • DAVID B….

    i just cannot seem to find my old teddy bear…must be around here someplace….

    PATRICIA…

    yes, long drives clear the mind..but, my back still hurts!!!

    i am running now, but will check your links tonight..

    cheers, david

  • DAH – find it and you’ll be in a parr photo before you know it..

    patricia.. brilliant.. curve of life and all that.
    must tidy the flat although had a glance at the nudes..
    wonderful.
    i love the hand on belly with window in the background and the back photo.. such soft skin.
    i guess thats the first thing i think of seeing nudes.. skin envy..
    really lovely to see your young heart at play with a subject most of us shy away from for fear of.. .. erm.. you know – what are we afraid of?

    there was a great male nude in the self portraits as well.. in a new flat (from memory) surrounded by junk.. mess.. looking dignified and pretty fragile..

    Beate is getting used to the camera laying around the place now and often picks it up.. me too.. that work may gather dust for a little while yet.

  • He CANT escape Sabine but why would he want to? I think Sabine is the kind of story that you get one crack at and thats it…you will never get a shot at it again. I think if he tried to do it again, it would come off very self-derivative, contrived..so he has to move on but not escape..its part of him, his life, its impossible to escape it. I think though its good he is changing things, for that reason, changing but not escaping. Ofcourse anything else will seem somehow less…its understandable. Its because he’s going from something only HE could do to something others could, and have. From the intimate depths to a public setting. And theres a bit of a loss of impact because of it. Nothing he could do about that. But I dont think its less, its just different.

  • RAFAL….

    i agree with you 100%….that is exactly what i was suggesting to you…your work right now is a “one shot deal”…go for it!!!

  • I am:) Jacob is one of the guys from Magnum Id love most to meet. Alessandra Sanguinetti is another one you should have mentioned, I think “The Adventures of Guille and Belinda and the Enigmatic Meaning of their Dreams” is up there with Mann or Goldin in brilliance….very much in the intimate and personal sphere of d’Agata or Sobol…its interesting how far this can be pushed..I think that what makes Sobol’s work so different from an Araki is that personal charge,…same with Mann…theres a subtle line and if you go over it you step into Araki XXX territory…where its so much about shock value and not much more.

  • RAFAL…

    i am still waiting for my ride to the beach (with Alessandra!!), so one more quick comment..

    of course Alessandra’s work is right up there with the others we both mention..and there are many more too…Sanguinetti’s work is perhaps less “sexual” in nature than the others, which was where i was going with this post and she has not been “blasted” or chastised as the others i wrote about…

    also , i always like to mention as many non-Magnum photogs as i can for fear of being accused of writing only about Magnum photogs…

    in any case, your points are well taken…

    cheers, david

  • Its not sexual for sure but its very intimate….and people are secretive about intimate things…not only sexuality…its I think what makes this sort of stuff compelling..ofcourse sexuality gives it an edge but to open yourself up and show whats private is I think the reason why we like to look at this sort of work…

  • I like Sally Mann’s story about meeting with the head of child protection at the FBI. To paraphrase “Sally, the average predator would be turned on by a door knob—this is not pornography…”

  • DAVID,

    Hard question. When it comes to this I feel that some do real and beautiful work and some use sexuality or nudity only to get attention and to provoke. But it shines through! I just love Nan Goldins work. I also like Sally Manns work, but prefer Goldins. A naked body ain’t enough, it got to be brilliant work as well.
    In swedish photography it’s quite common with nudity and sexuality and as I said some do it well and many do it bad..

    Cheers

  • a bit confused post earlier…to short it down…

    Sexuality and nudity doesn’t make it more PERSONAL or more REAL…

  • panos hola
    – is there a general link for your work, for the visceral pleasure of those in china and norway? i have no joy with the regular links.

    Posted by:david bowen | August 01, 2008 at 05:19 AM

    DAVID B., yes…
    below is a link especially for Norway , China & maybe greece !!!!!!!!

    http://gallery.me.com/innerspacecowpanos#100104&view=mosaic&sel=0

    MICHAEL R.,
    click on my name for the “Venice stuff”…
    thank you, peace…

    ANNA, yes
    lets do a california photo gathering or photo hunt when cathy comes around,…
    im thinking to head over VENICE this afternoon…
    and keep my “head under the water” till sunday night…. maybe we could meet,
    or if anyone wants to MEET at Venice at some point the next 4 days…
    please email me:
    innerspacecowpanos@mac.com
    i would say call… but its still 7:42am and the store opens at 9:00am..
    so till then , still NO PHONE….
    and yes, Ryan doubled his babies … ( beautiful little daughter )…!!!
    peace

  • PATRICIA!!

    Winter women..honest and real, and what community between you.. The woman practicing yoga is perfect, so embodied and brave..as are you, these bare bottomed self portraits..

    We need the reminding, we need the veil lifted and the spotlight or moonlight to illuminate what is, and what is beautifully so. NYC is so often a technicolor nightmare for projecting the standard of female physical perfection, and sometimes I feel like it isn’t even Spring that is actually being enjoyed anymore..I can hardly smell the scent of sweet young buds from the jasmine plants, it’s a garden of plastic flowers.

    I too surge with excitement at the absolute divinity of youth and unmarred flesh, of physical strength and bursting libido, of energy unbridled and boundless desire..but now most of what I see around me is a contained, controlled expectation of form, a hologram of the real.

    Please, keep giving your friends the opportunity to show us who we are.

  • AARON SNELL,hi
    ( again )the XXX link below
    http://web.mac.com/innerspacecowpanos/Site/LOVE_CONNECTIONS.html..

    GINA..
    Nachtwey- iphone- blurred photo ???
    did i meet you in C/Ville???

    MARINA
    (again)- great website..
    BOB, i cant wait for yours to come up soon…!

    peace

  • DAVID – Today’s post/thread is uncannily apropos. I recently began working on a fiction story (the latest incarnation of the portrait series you contributed to a few years ago – remember the ghost in the elevator?) with an author who’s better known for his poems and anecdotes but has a wonderful knack for the details that make a character really come to life. Am using self-portraiture to tell the story visually. Slowly…surely…becoming more loose every time I go shoot (quite a challenge for me, as you might guess). Been making some of the photographs by myself out in the world – an extremely vulnerable place to turn the camera on oneself. Maybe that’s why I’ve kept the photographs so close – not shown them to anyone yet, even my collaborator. It hadn’t occurred to me to study this work for inspiration (and a dose of courage) so many thanks to you for leading me (us!) down this path.

    PANOS – fyi, Firefox 3 doesn’t like your .mac site. Was the strangest moment, wanting to see your photographs after reading so much praise for your bold and graceful series – when I clicked on the link, all the text appeared but no photographs. I scrolled down, and back up again. Tried another essay and the same. Camino worked just fine and I then appreciated the metaphor of my experience… how it harkened to this unfolding thread here…

    All bestest,
    D

  • DENISE hi and thank you…
    it looks that .mac ( now “mobile me”) , has a lot of quirks,
    gems, bugs, anyway you wanna call it… the main reason i like it,
    is because IT’S NOT free… ??!!!
    kidding !!!!
    so, at least Camino & of course safari or Opera works…
    it’s funny though that Firefox version 2.0.0.16 works fine but not the 3.0..???? …weird!

  • PANOS,

    “BOB, i cant wait for yours to come up soon…!”

    Given the subject of this thread, I’d think that there’s probably a better way to phrase this, guy. ;-)

  • hello everybody,

    It is very hard to write something on this forum for me…. very shy…needs big courage.

    But I’ll try … because i want to express myself well in english. please forgive me if i took mistakes of expressing ….

    Jacob, Sabine… I was very surprised when i saw his works first. Very frank and heartful songs. I was very admired…very lovely…honest works… But his next portfolio ‘Japan’…I felt…aggressive and easeless ..maybe he felt Japan like that…It’s entirely my opinion.

    Bob & Marina
    I love your works of ‘Hours’..You two are very beautiful couple to persue same direction. I feel the deep combination and union of souls between you and Marina.
    Thank you for sharing. ^^

    Patritia
    Very long drive by yourself…You must be a very brave woman! I’m always admired by you and your works. Your ‘winter nude’…very simple, honest and elegant…very nice!
    And Have a nice workshop with Mary Ellen Mark. I’ve attended her workshop this Apr. in NY. She is very nice! ^^

    Rafal
    I love your works of ‘Home sweet home’ ..very lovely and intimate works…and i feel strong relatiomship between you and your family.
    Do you live in Seoul? i live in Busan… ^^
    I want to say hello!

    David Mc.
    I am very interested in your works of garage sale. I never have seen garage sale in real life in Korea. very different culture. I can see a family’s history, culture and feelings who has opened a garage sale. Especilly I love the first picture of your works. ^^

    Erica
    Your works of portrait are always fantastic! I love your attitudes to take pictures of portrit… I respect that. Thank you. ^^

    I wrote too long this night… it’s too late to go to bed (1:00AM in Korean time)^^

    Have a nice weekend.
    Kyunghee

  • AUDREY

    tu as un enfant? are you a mother?

    KYUNGHEE

    You express yourself in english without difficulty..it is good to hear your voice a little! And, thank you…

  • AKAKY…
    laughing…. !!!!
    YOU MADE MY DAY….
    and once more HAPPY BIRTHDAY…!

  • Kyung-hee! :))))….

    you were in NY in April???…

    i will send you now photographs from Russian couple :)))…marina sends you love :))

    hugs
    b

  • DAD AKAKY :)))

    SOOn, you all will see how easily
    things “come up”….but, i’ve promised to “show” (so to speak) David 1st the “bones” ;)))….what’s between friends ;))

    running
    hugs
    b

  • Is there some censoring going on here?

    Trying to see Hours by MARINA and PANOS xxx and neither link is showing images…hmmm… Anyone else having this problem? I’m using Safari, never had a problem before.

    PANOS…Thanks for including me in the LA Gathering. I DEFINITELY hope we can all get together in November when David is in town.

  • ok.. My Pacifier’s fixed…
    I remember those days that only my
    Thump was enough!!!
    Then came the cigarettes, then the drugs,
    then the iPhones…
    Ahhhhh..
    addictions…
    So anyways.. If anybody wants to meet me
    down in VENICE for some “creative” mess…
    please call me ( I’ll be around for the next 4 days..
    I hope..)
    310 4259298 or email me.

  • PANOS

    we actually did not meet. I was helping Andrew with the workshops (which I think you took). I probably checked you in. I work full time on the festival (but live in DC). I was the crazy one who was constantly cleaning DAH house during his parties (I was responsible for that cute house). I was actually at his house each morning at 7am cleaning up bottles… ha ha. The day after the festival Andrew and I took out 18 LARGE LARGE bags of cans/bottles to the recycling center. A woman asked me if I worked at a bar. I said yes, it’s called “David Alan Harvey’s” and it’s open 24 hours!

    Can I email you a picture of Nachtwey, MaryAnne Golon and I and you can post it on the blog – I suck at that? Let me know your email and I can send it to you…

    gina

  • ANNA B….

    Just saw your comment in the previous thread about getting together. I’m here for a friend’s wedding this weekend, then going back to New Mexico till October. Wish I had time to get together but it will have to wait till Fall.

    Let’s definitely do something with Panos and whoever else is around when David is in town in November.

  • and GINA … no…
    i didnt drink 18.000 beers by myself….
    ANTON did it!

  • CATHY, yes…
    the gathering it was ANNA B’ idea…
    november & DAH ,sounds good!

  • I know Anton – and he is too nice of a guy to leave that much of a mess for me… you have NO idea all the shit I picked up. I got stoned just picking up all the discarded joints….

  • GINA ,
    thank you for the photo ( Nachtwey, below )..
    i just posted it on my blog… click here:

    http://blog.panosfotografia.com/2008/08/look3-2008.html

  • We speak of intimacy. I still think someone’s intimacy is most often, best penetrated when they least objectify it. Picasso’s late works is a case in point. One of the most intimate experience we may go thru is the slow approach of death of the decaying of functions and body.

    But does photographing/projecting a/one’s lying body in its last days, show really intimacy? projection of intimacy is not exactly the experience of intimacy.

    “the essential is invisible to the eyes”-
    St Exupery.

    I bet we all put our pix on the floor, and ask people which one is the most intimately us, and they will never find the one we think is it. As soon as you have representation, you have interpretation, and for me, intimacy doesn’t lead itelf to interpretation. I am almost certain that for Mann and Goldin and Sobol, the object of their photography was not to project intimacy per se. Just like Picasso did not, and in the process, ended revealing much that was hidden.

    Something like that… ;-)

    PS: about nudity represented, it is a difficult subject to speak about. i know in US, people, evryone, do not approach it the same way as they do in France. Probably different in Sweden, Japan, and etc… A nude is not a nude is not a nude… ;-)

    Patricia, we heed so many lessons from you. I think you are the top warrior in David’s army, er…. Blog. Bar none!

  • PANOS…and anyone who can’t see his link,

    I have firefox and that didn’t work either. I figured out why…

    On the link you provided above there are two periods at the end of html.
    html..
    is what confused my browser

    saw the photos…Very “Panos.” Sick… :))

  • CATHY , thank you… sounds like a movie review…

    saw the photos…Very “Panos.” Sick… :))

    … coming soon to a theater near you….

    i hope i can “shock” you again this monday…
    when i will come back from Venice….
    i’m just waiting for the sun to go down a little bit…
    people will get thirsty , hungry and horny in a few hours…
    let them wake up first…

  • PANOS…

    “let them wake up first…”

    True. HAHA! :))

  • PANOS – thank you for posting the image.

    i have two funny stories about jim and i….

    jim’s dress rehearsal was right before his talk. nick nichols and jim were up in the sound booth and maryanne golon and i were sitting on stage waiting for them. maryanne was VERY nervous so i asked her if she wanted a distraction – she said YES. so typical gina, i ask her if she could switch teams – who would she sleep with. she gives me her 2 women (which i will not reveal) and i give my 3 women… salma hayek, penelope cruz and reba peck (nick’s better half). right then my phone rings… it’s nick. he says there is a mic above our heads and he and jim can hear everything we are saying…. we laughed so hard. i was a bit mortified that nick overheard me adding his wife to my list….

    then…. i was driving back to DC on monday after the festival and jim calls me and asks me to change his flight so he can fish another day. he also asks me to try to get him an upgrade and gives me his miles number. i call the airline, yada, yada, yada…. i call jim back and tell him that i’m sorry i could not get him an upgrade, but i think i got him a date with the woman on the phone… i told him i accidently told her that he was a member of the “mile high club”…. not the “million mile club”. needless to say – the woman thought i was an idiot, but jim had a good hearty laugh about it.

    i left quite the impression with jim….

  • ON INTIMACY AND PHYSICALITY (SPIRITUALITY)….(following up on herve’s comment)…

    PARTICIA:

    FIRST, let me say i love your self-portrait…i cant call it “nude” (i ate this word, and i’ve always felt nothing but disdain for that word, when i was studying painting, when i had to take life drawing classes and when i became a photographer), i can only call it: portrait with light :)))…I agree with Herve, that there are few, few people with the undeterred refusal to couch themselves in anything else but the celebration (pain and sorrow) of who they are…I dont agree with herve that youre the only warrior, or top (who needs a general, they’ve done enough shit in the world), but you are absolutely as herve points out a beacon…one of the reasons why i shared marina’s story of us is because not only do both of us think that the most INTIMATE expression of a union (or as a photographers) a couple can make is to share and celebrate in the fullness and unity of that life…a couple is not a couple, but a singularity build from two individuals…a wholeness that is born of incompleteness…marina and i are made whole because were were incomplete, the hole in the center of each of us was made whole from that union…and one this spills upon your life, you have little concern for charades, with each other or others…what i love and cherish about your winter woman/women portrait and portraits is that you are unafraid (it’s a shame we must speak of courage when discussing honesty, openess, exposure, isnt it) to offer yourself and your life up to others…the same is true of Panos: you are brothers and sisters, more alike than different, though the softness and courseness that separate the two of your spirits has more (imho) to do with surface than soul….

    i love these portraits so much, because we are the body electric and that we do not sing it enough is testament to our broken, wobbly selves…our bodies contain and cage us, restrict us by their limp and linger and measure, but we are of body and we are more than body…and so, for me, the celebration of all body aint art but more important: cherish life…the taste, the scent, the linger, the loss of our bodies, our caged tools there, before all…i love your portrait and i love the portraits of the other women not because i think of them as “cool nudes”, but because they are another reflection of, another cantilevered point of light of who YOU are….

    as for Marina’s story: that’s also the point of it…it is about intimacy…while marina and i are without clothes in all the pics, the pics contain different moments: joy, sleep, exhaustion, laughter, sadness…moments of the two of us talking in bed (part of what goes on in our bed), and marina’s refusal (both our refusal) to define place or person by the shape or space of bodies…i posted her story here not because it contains breasts and balls and genitals but because it is a doorway for others to get a glimpse into the intimacy of our lives…we’re very open with each other, with others (strangers and friends), we celebrate each other, we celebrate others…seeing her body, seeing my body, just removes another part of the layer…in those pictures maybe one understands the same about each of us, as well as about the life of a couple…filled with laughter, with sandess, with exhaustion, with lust, with love, with sleep, with the quotidien…doubt and recognition…it’s why i shared it…not ’cause it’s xxx…but because intimacy is about the expression of WHAT EXISTS inside of the life that accentuages and actualizes one’s life…as herve wrote, its not about “more sex, more nudity” but more open of what defines…

    the pics i posted from the Russian couple, was about just that: intimacy…not sex, though the series contains photos of pre/during/post-coital…but so too pics of them talking, drinking, she singing, she crying after singing, he looking at a painting with a class of cognac…intimacy, those moments, shadow and light, that accetenuate the spine and stick of our lives…

    i removed the pics, ’cause i didnt feel like it makes sense to show a few, without the fever of the whole…in a book, they’ll be there ;))))…

    let me share with you 2 pictures…from a series i made about my life and nudity…one is of marina and one is of “me”, though i dont appear in them….one of the things that unite me and marina and our life is in both pics….im hoping these express one, only one, of the things that has defined my life, my life with marina, maybe the life as it enters me…

    both from 2005

    pic #1:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/524452938/sizes/o/

    pic #2 (shown here before)

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/293540301/sizes/o/

    how to show REAL intimacy?….i think (following up on Herve’s insightful discussion on late picasso), of the last work of Giacomelli….his last 2 projects, as he was dying…among the most beautiful, most sad, most celebrant, most conceptual work i know….those not familiar with the work, find it…it will break your heart…

    a picture from his late series..:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/2723587060/sizes/o/

    running
    hugs
    bob

  • Can someone post the link to Patricia’s self portrait – i must have missed it… thank you.

    PANOS – i don’t think i replied to your “drinking from the fountain” link…. i love it. i think it is beautiful and personal. it seems to truly show the relationship between you – not just the physical… it’s lovely and honest. i truly dig it. gina

  • GINA…
    Thank you.
    HONESTY… That’s the right word..
    HONESTY.. Not stealing, not misleading…
    You made my day..
    Especially when all the support for my
    XXX link comes mainly from the ladies
    Bloggers of this forum..
    I wanna thank Freida once more..
    For letting me be me..
    Peace

  • panos my man..

    you’ll be pleased to know now they have a new kind of DUVEL… want me to send you some over? :)))) make some good stuff in venice, i’ll b thinking of you

    gina

    oh i loved your story!!! so incredibly funny! i can so picture the moment and then you both looking up and seeing the mic… hehe love it :)))

    i bet you the first split second when nick called you must have thought: “gee, what a coincidence” :-D

    priceless :)))

    patricia

    again.. such wonderful work.. words escape me…

    bob bro

    reading your words and looking at marina’s images..i feel.. i don’t know how to describe it… sharing passion for one another and sharing passion for one another’s photography as well… what are the chances to that… counting my blessings…

    love
    anton

  • Re: Sobol. . . Isn’t it the same a bit with Koudelka. People always think of him as the ‘gypsy photographer’. But of course he has done so much work beyond that series which was finished almost 40 years ago. Koudelka himself has said that “. . . it’s the reason why photography was easier in the beginning. It’s like a dart game: at the beginning, you can toss them anywhere, they will always be well placed. Wherever you hit is the right place (in English in the original). But once you start building something, you realize that certain pieces are missing” (Frank Horvat interview, 1987).

  • GINA:

    here are Patricias portraits :))

    her self-portrait:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/92469434

    and the series, Winter nudes:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/winter_nudes

    ADDENDUM:

    realized, as i was riding the subway home, that i should clarify my post. I didn’t mean to suggest that I disagree with Herve’s comment about Patricia. In fact, he is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Patricia is a beacon. I hate to use the word courage with regard to “honesty” and “openness”, because I’ve always felt that what is special about Patricia is her unflinching Love: for living and the living…her embrace of her life and others. Her self-portrait (without clothes) and the series of herself and others (Winter nudes) is, more me, just an extension of her other work and her humanity/celebration. It has always troubled me that people get so ridiculously caught up in qualifying or worryng about bodies…what Herve is absolutely correct about is that these portraits contain intimacy (her life) not because she shows her body without clothes, but because they reflect the same honesty that she brings to her work about her life with MS….Herve’s other point about “nudity” is spot on…which is what i’d tried to describe…I hate (loathe) the word “nude” (nudes)…clothes give shape and personality and intimacy to our lives and so do our bodies and lives without clothes…the art world/academic world has always qualified this kind of portrait: nude…to me, that qualification is simply a material description (not clothes) and has less to do with OUR BODIES/OUR LIVES…than just the FORM of an image (photo/painting/sculpture) without clothes…funny, there is a tribe from Uganda (probably others) who refuse to wear clothes (forget their name, read it in Shadow of the sun), because when the Europeans encountered them in the 19th century, they (europeans) all died of disease…the africans associated their deaths with the wearing of clothes….(how prescient ;)) )….so, that’s why i’ve always hated this word…and often, hated so called “nude photography”…really loathed it ;)))…even cunninghams and westons…i respected it, but i’d wished they given it the same broken ferocity and sadness as mapplethorpe was to do much later…but, that’s a century apart ;)))…

    and herve’s comment about INTIMACT has nothing to do with whether or not we EXPOSE ourself more (without clothes, or showing sex) is right on….Mann’s work is ferociously intimate, not because her children were without clothes in many of the pics, but because Mann photographed the LIVING of her family…and she too the DEATH of family (her dog series from What Remains)….

    INTIMACY: the key to the lock in the shadowed light and lung…

    ok, yu’ve heard enough from this windbag for a few days…

    hugs
    running
    bob

  • PANOS :))))

    BROTHER, I LOVED YOUR FOUNTAIN TOO…especially hand of cock followed by the kitten followed by cat in a white room :))))….

    im telling you, YOU AND PATRICIA are brother/sister…both totally brave and totally filled with generosity of sharing lives…you give us the ROUGH SIDE OF YOUR LIFE (which is just as strong and act of LoVE) and she the tender….I think not alot of folks see the similarity between you two, but I do :)))

    there are few people (here or else where) who have such LARGE personalitites, filled with generosity as YOU AND PATRICIA…i know you all disagreed and stumbled with the Fountain, but I KNOW PANOS PRIVATELY and that man has more love in his tired, sad, 40 year old body than half the people in life who pretend to love people…Particia is the real deal (i know her privately too) and Panos is the real deal….

    and i dig fountain, cause like everything you do, you give us what you and your life is about…not copying, not denying…a playa who aint about playing…

    hugs
    b

  • Kyunghee,

    Thank you! Hopefully I’m delivering the US garage sale experience to you—it really doesn’t get much more exciting than that.

    Maybe people in Korea would find that culturally intriguing? I’ll see that Korea gets plenty of copies of my book. ;))

  • Oh my gawd, even I, a woman of many words, is left speech-less, breath-less, but not LESS, rather MORE mySelf, by all that I’ve just read here this evening. What a fabulous preparation for MEM’s workshop tomorrow morning! I feel I will fly in there with such a sense of mySelf as artist, as woman, as human be-ing. Thank you, dear ones, for seeing me as I’ve always hoped to be seen. Speaking of which…

    BRO PANOS

    I owe you a public apology. I was wrong, dead wrong about your beautiful, innocent, playful, loving “drinking from the fountain” gallery. I was reacting like a real PRUDE, and dammit, that is NOT my style! Please forgive me.

    DAVID

    I know your life is in fast forward right now–when is it ever NOT???–but if you have time to check out my Winter Nudes gallery, could you please see if you find other self portraits that you think might fit well with my Self Portrait/Daily Life project? Here are the links specifically to the self portraits:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/winter_nudes1

    In the link posted above, all are self portraits except images #1, 2, 3.

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/nightlit_winterwoman

    ALL images in the link posted above are self portraits.

    By the way, I shot this entire series in color and then converted some of them to B&W, so it would be a snap to go back to color if we so choose.

    The link for the entire Winter Nudes series is:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/winter_nudes

    And, as a reminder, the link to our recent tight edit of my Self Portrait/Daily Life project is:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/daily_life

    Please don’t bother with this if you don’t have time. There’s NO rush. We can get to it after you return from Tuscany. Speaking of which…

    Have a grand & glorious workshop and reunion with all your Italian friends!!!

    much love to ALL

    Patricia

  • PATRICIA/PANOS:

    SEND U AN EMAIL…

    B

  • for PANOS AND PATRICIA….

  • OK, Bob B just sent Panos & me the most amazing private email. Well, hell, ain’t NOTHIN’ private here…at least nothing that affects our community. And the shit that passed between Panos & me affected more than just the two of us; it affected everyone in the room…and that may be 100s of folks for all we know.

    But I’m here to say , Bob B has got it right. And Panos and I both know it. Don’t we, brother!

    Panos & I are twins separated at birth. OK, so it was a few decades before my brother decided to make his entrance into the world, but that’s no never mind. We are one flesh, one heart, one mind, one creative spirit, one fuckin’ honest gene in our DNA. As Bob B says so clearly, we just “have totally different ways of showing this, or grappling with this” so we didn’t recognize each other at first. But Bob B did and so did David…and now so do I and I trust my brother Panos does too.

    Hey, Panos, I love you. And that is forever.

    Thanks, Bob B and David, for recognizing our siblingship and for helping us see it too. God but this blog is incredible!!! “Virtual relationships”? HARDLY!!!!

    Patricia

  • PATRICIA

    hot damn these are stunning. i love the winter dancing woman series. but what moved me more were your words…

    There is beauty to be found in every wrinkle, fold, crease, ripple, stretch mark, scar, bit of flab and fullness of contour. My Winter Nudes portfolio of galleries celebrates women who are coming into the winter of their lives with grace, wisdom, sensuality and adventuresome spirits. I invite you to view these images with respect and gratitude for their willingness to share their unclothed beauty so fearlessly.

    i do not know if you have met Mary Ellen Mark before – or if this workshop is your first introduction – but you two are going to hit it off. i can see it now. she too is a beautiful, strong, and honest woman and i can only imagine wonderful work is going to come from this workshop. Please tell her i said hello….

  • PATRICIA :))))

    nothing secret :)))…and, im sure lots of lovin’ will come a pouring when P gets finished driving to LA….

    ok, done my duty ;)))…now, im late…running behind…off now for a few days…

    hugs
    b

  • KYUNGHEE LEE….

    please forgive me i have not written the forward for your book…and now , i just cannot find your e-mail to me telling where to send…when i searched my e-mail your letter did not show up….

    do you mind please posting it here again?? or send me another e-mail?? so sorry…this is my mistake….i hope it is not too late….

    cheers, david

  • DAVID

    Here is Kyunghee Lee’s email address:

    mizise@naver.com

  • DAVID

    On July 24th, Kyunghee posted that she hopes to receive the writing by August 20th. You’ve got time!

    Anna B.

  • ANNA….PATRICIA

    many thanks to both of you ….and Anna i owe you a letter at the same time as well

    my oh my , i am becoming dependent on this forum for basic life information!!

    i have a feeling you both can imagine my desktop..not my computer desktop, my real desktop…scraps of paper with important information, unopened mail from two years ago, a vase of dead flowers (kinda nice actually),3 cups of cold coffee from yesterday, a roll of gaffer tape, a stack of magazines to read on the plane, three bills to go out with no stamps, and a half empty bag of pretzels…isn’t that about what you figured???

    no wonder i do not have Kyunghee Lee’s address right at the top of the “pile”

    with gratitude amigas, david

  • DAH – i think you need me to come organize that desk of yours… gina

  • That’s my kind of desk, that.

  • David,

    I just read Michael Parfit’s article in prepartion for next weekends “Celebration” …I could use your “insight” on the subject and would very much like to push this photo essay beyond what has been done, yet remain respectful of the ceremony. Perhaps you have some words of wisdom..I believe you saw some of my work from “Hozoni Days”. I want to make this one count! besides..it’s not everyday I get out of town….

    I also plan to go back and dig a bit deeper into “How the West was Won” Check out the links…find some insight.

    In regards to that previous thread & your question… I would say that Photography as a weapon or tool, as a “means” to effect change or raise awareness IS the driving force behind so much that is “photojournalism” and perhaps the one thing that drives my own passion consistently… I hope others here feel equally driven towards not only controlling our own individual fate…but that of “Society” at large. And we must be passionate, dedicated and true to ourselves along the way!

    Keep up the good work! Cheers, Jeremy

  • Remember Maya Goded, her work “Plaza de la soledad”, photos of prostitutes in La Merced, Mexico City, is very powerful, so touching.

  • Dun understand the row. Panos’stuff is pretty tame. Checked out couple of Nobuyoshi Araki’s books recently, and those are worthy of controversy probably.

  • Kyunghee,

    thanks a lot. Yes, I live in Seoul, but have been to Bussan several times.

  • RAFAL…

    i had to leave yesterday, ending my post here rather incomplete with regard to your suggestion to have Alessandra’s work included in the same “space” as Nan Goldin..

    in terms of just good work in a book by two fine photographers, they do occupy the same space..

    but, they are such totally different kinds of work in the context of what i was writing about..i was writing (at least originally) about self documentation and the freedom to explore sexuality as part of it..

    Nan’s work is the best example i could think of…and still, i do not really see Alessandra in that same light at all…..

    Nan photographed HER life…raw, intimate, often sexual…as in roll out of bed in the morning and take a picture…like your work at home with the family…or as in “Sabine”..straight “in the mirror”…

    Alessandra’s work looks a bit more “through a window” ….i.e. not photographs of her life, her family…

    this is clearly NOT a judgment of one being better than the other, but they are quite different…

    perhaps ironically (since you brought up Alessandra by sheer coincidence), i have been doing some work with Alessandra and her baby as part of my family project…i even made a few digi pictures of them yesterday at our Magnum “family outing”.. intending to post here just for fun , but my card reader seems to be broken..most of my best of Alessandra is on film and we must wait and see..

    the point is ,some photographers try to get as close as they can to perhaps total strangers..as do i….others photograph what is right next to them…as do you…

    both can be intimate…both can explore whatever they want..both require authorship..but there is a difference…

    i have always thought it would be interesting to see what would happen if specific photographers “switched” perspectives…if the “window” photographers went to the “mirror” and the “mirror” photographers went to the “window”…

    i.e. you attempt to photograph the family next door in the same way you photograph your own and i start revealing my “real life”….

    hmmmmmm, my mother would kill me!!!

    cheers, david

  • MARTIN BRINK…

    you are so right….

    ERNESTO…

    the work of Maya Goded, at least the early work with the prostitutes , is so so compelling and powerful…i always show her work to my students….

    whenever i see a great book by any photographer i always want to see more more…but , of course, that is often unfair..just to do one book of any value whatsoever is a “high mountain”…

    yet still, Maya is young and i do wish for more more….

    cheers, david

  • AARON SNELL…

    i went to your web site…somewhere in there amongst all of your personal pictures, you have some very good ones….but you need to PRESENT this work in a better way..editing, presentation, intent,…yes, the whole bit..but, you are loose….that is good…now can you be loose and still have a little control??? sounds contradictory, and i guess it is in a way, but please give it some thought…

  • DAVID

    It is good to hear that you have mess on your desk too. I am not alone.
    But in my life it is not funny at all…
    I am married and I have small loft.

    peace

  • DAVIN….

    very good point….i think this worthy of a whole new post and discussion…and i still wish you would come by some time with more of your work…

    i do have a dart board in my loft…..

    cheers,david

  • GINA…

    that does not sound like something i would say…that does sound like something you would say…

    can we please attribute that quote to you???

    cheers, david

  • I agree 100% with you David. I was just thinking that while Alessandra didnt technically photograph her family after 6 years (wasnt it that long she photographed those 2 cousins?) they sort of became her family in a way. But I must say Im totally looking forward to seeing your project, it will be so intimate.

    P.S. are you still on the road now?

  • WINTER WOMAN….

    i cannot keep up with you!!! you are the most prolific person on this forum!!!

    now, i am pleased we had some personal time together last week, because i have no time right now to say all that i want to say about this “other work” (part of which should be included in your “primary work” project)..

    please forgive, but my loft is a total wreck, i have to do laundry, i have to pack for a flight in a few hours and maybe Kelly and Erica are coming over for a few minutes and my loft is a wreck and well, you know you know…i cannot have my place look like this!!

    so, when you get back from your weekend with MEM, and you tell us all your learned from her, we can try to digest all…

    for the moment at least, i would just like to sign my name to the bottom of the letter Erica wrote to you…i am not capable of her prose and insight, but i do feel it and understand it…i just cannot express it in words the way that i think one woman can to another…

    but, in my own clumsy male linear sort of way, i will just say …Patricia , you are a real woman..

    safe travels and hugs, david

  • And just to show you Im back on the case, heres something I took yhesterday when my wife returned from her parents’ home after a week of vacation.

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2724946614_de33ef0807_o.jpg

  • Rafal

    you found something really nice and special in your photography. Keep going. Keep straight.

  • Safe travels to you too, my dear friend & mentor. And your words of affirmation are a great send off as I leave the motel for MEM’s workshop. Thank you.

    FINALLY I can close by saying “running,” just like BOB B & you…

    Patricia/Grandma Techno/Winter Woman

  • MARCIN…

    but doesn’t your wife help keep you organized??? i think you would be a big disaster without your wife..i only think that because you always infer that…

    by the way, i am trying to organize some kind of Magnum workshop in Poland…not a promise, but i am trying…shhhhhh…just wait ….

    it is more than a little frustrating that i have not met you since writing back and forth with you was my first real “conversation” on this blog….

    what do you think we would do if we met??? look at pictures, go have a beer or sit in your kitchen and talk to “Ola”???? i imagine us doing all three simultaneous….

    hugs, david

  • RAFAL…

    Marcin is right…..

    now that you are very well “educated” in the works of so many photographers, forget them all!!

    put all those books away for the time being….

    for now, just go work and not think about anyone else’s work….just be Rafal….

    you are “on the case”….take this magic time in your life and fly fly fly…..

    cheers, david

  • DAH

    i know you’re very busy.. hectic in fact..
    apologies for asking something – it’s for someone else..

    ciara leeming – a really excellent investigative journo – is going to Palestine / Israel September time.. part of the trip will be investigating the hip hop scene.

    she is very good at getting coverage for people.. spreading the word for people.. a very good writer.

    if you met any people while doing ‘da hip-hop thang’, who could use her help and need the publicity over there, would be cool to hook them up.. maybe pass her an email address if you have one or two handy?
    no problemo if not..

    http://www.ciaraleeming.co.uk
    ciaraleeming@hotmail.com

    wish i was joining her on this one :o/

  • DAVID,

    Hard stuff…

    I alwyas try to hide that I have not control on many aspect of my life, and without my wife I could have completly different life. Could it be disaster? Yes, I thiink it could be. But not because I need “mummy” to hold my hand, but beacuse nobody want to live with little chaos- me.
    My wife is very self-confidend person as I am, hers mind is clear focus on hers paintings and on joy of life, and mine… hmmm
    I am think about hondreds things, i do houndred things and I forget about hundred things during day. my things have legs and they walks on my whole apartment. And my computer is one big labyrinth of mess.
    But I am almost normal only little unsocial, nice guy, very nice guy.

    It could be great if you can arrive to Poland, we have beautiful country. You will fall in love in poland ond our girls especially :)

    and if we meet someday… hmmm. You must know that I speak many many worst than I write (??!!!), that my wife not speak english at all, so should be fun…
    I hope I have encouraged you little…

    my wife
    http://marcinluczkowski.com/photo/news/b15.jpg

  • DAVID BOWEN…

    the Palestinian rappers i shot for Living Proof was a talented group called DAM….great guys and very helpful…

    since i was evicted from my apartment several months ago, there are still so many unpacked boxes and some of them contain my contact info for the hip hop project…but DAM is pretty famous, tour Europe and US etc, so they should be easy to find..and they will put your friend on to everyone else..

    i delivered prints etc to these guys so if she drops my name, it should be helpful…i do owe them a book, so if she finds the contact info first, i need it too!!!

    i am not hectic, but i am busy….as soon as i return from Italy next weekend, i have to go through all these boxes anyway, so if i find the info i will pass it on…

    cheers, david

  • MARCIN…

    you should know that i was teasing/joking with you about being a disaster!!! ….

    i know you are a very nice man….

    i am sure i will fall in love with Poland, but I AM A DISASTER and do not want to fall in love with any woman right now…that story later…well, maybe if i met a woman as beautiful as your Ola and who did not speak English either , i might have a chance!!! well, oh never mind…

    running now, back soonest..

    cheers, david

  • DAH – thanks muchos.. you’re a gent.

    i’ll reply soon with their contact info for you – don’t worry about more info..

    investigating is what ciara does :o)

  • marcin luczkowski

    ha ha ha… I see you three times changed your comment… ha ha

  • Good group,
    Thanks for all the comments on the garage sale stuff. I have a really good sense of what I accomplish and add, so I’m just going to keep rolling with it.

    I probably won’t post anything new for the next month or two, and just stay dedicated to shooting while I have momentum. I’d rather have some surprises than over-saturate you all with more of the same. I’ve got some real gems I haven’t shown yet.

    Stay tuned!

  • DAH – yes, you can attribute the quote to me…. ha ha xo

  • TO ALL FROM EUROPE UNION,

    IF I buy something on ebay or amazon (camera scanner) from US and it will come by post office I have to pay some duty? Some tax?

    thanks

  • DAH

    skies look like rain, so presumably no shooting today..which means I’d love to join you and Kelly..I will call her to see what you have arranged timewise, but if she is in transit and out of reach I will try you. Pls don’t worry about the mess..once people have seen how neat and tidy you normally are, they can deal with those other moments that reality inevitably brings.

    About what you wrote

    “hmmmmmm, my mother would kill me!!!”

    That’s the thing..I would love to shoot this way, but it would be a big challenge for me to find someone in my immediate surrounds who would allow this intimate shooting from me. My best friend from college put up with it for a little while, but I think my familiars are already so frustrated by the fact that I am always thinking about photos, that shooting them would be even more of an invasion to our relationship.

    I grew up with the work of Mann and Sturges, and it left a permanent mark..I come from the philosophy that at once everything is sexual and nothing is sexual..we are all of the generative creative force and act of life, it is our essence, and without sexuality we would cease to exist as a humanity. While neither of these photographers are specifically sexualizing the people in their images, I do believe the works reveal that that essence is present in all, even in children, and obviously some are disturbed by that recongnition, and need to villanize the ones who give them access to what they fear. To be sure, it is not the seed of sexuality in a child that is frightening, but the misplaced, maligned and deviant twists of thought/feeling/impulse that come from the adult..

    ON ANOTHER NOTE

    ANDREW SULLIVAN came in yesterday and helped me..what a generous soul! I was feeling a bit out of sorts at times, and he totally helped to keep everything together. Thank you Andrew!! he took a few photos of the goings on, so if there is anything interesting there, will post it.. I don’t know what he decided in the end, but he was considering heading in to Harlem to work on his project, and it was late..just the fact that he considered working after a full day of working..is an inspiration!

  • marcin

    different countries have differing rules..

    in norway i can bring in up to 250gbp, 2500NOK (500 USD) without paying duty.. if i am importing something.
    or if you find a seller who is helpful there may be a way around it – if they tick that it is a ‘gift’ being sent to you..

    best to check locally my friend.

    what are you buying, out of interest?
    d

  • beate just told me that i am not in the EU anymore.. i forgot :o)

  • erica – you are spot on when you say,

    ‘it is not the seed of sexuality in a child that is frightening, but the misplaced, maligned and deviant twists of thought/feeling/impulse that come from the adult..’

    yesterday i needed to chip into beate’s nursery to deliver some photos and we sat with a few of the kids.. one of the girls took a shine to me and flirted a little.. it was hilarious.. so funny.. from a 5 year old.

    later we talked about it and the upshot of that conversation was exactly what you said above so eloquently.

    and relating that to photography..
    i wonder about some of the people who fear the work of mann, maplethorp..
    if what scares us most in this life is that which we recognize and are afraid of in ourselves, does it not cast a bad light on the people who go out of their way to criticize?

  • DAVID B.

    I am thinking hard about scanner, but only thinking now. check options.
    Now we have lowest price for us dollar. 2200 $ for coolscan 9000 is now 4400 pln in poland this scanner cost almost 10000 pln.
    I have to cut some cost if I want “play” in photography in future.
    but this is idea for end of september if us dollar will have the same low price.
    Now I have to find someone who will go to us. No money for duty at all.

    peace

  • DAVID B

    Yes, it does make one wonder about some of impetus behind the overreaction..

    Though slightly different in intent, still I think of Gertrude’s words from Hamlet about the Queen

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

    the reference there being that “the Queen affirms so much as to lose credibility. Her vows are too elaborate, too artful, too insistent.”

  • Patritia, Anna,

    Thank you very much for your help.^^

    David

    I’ve just come back from my work.
    Yes, My e-mail is mizise@naver.com.

    I hope you to take a comfort trip to Italy.
    Many thanks. ^^

  • I also couldn’t agree more with MARTIN BRINK…

    “Sexuality and nudity doesn’t make it more PERSONAL or more REAL…”

    and while I’m at it I would have to say this “truth” (for me) is no different than …Out of focus doesn’t make it ART.

    I’m not referring to any particular work being shown…just in general…

  • erica

    thats the line.. :o)
    what i do find difficult is when adults sexualize children, or make them ‘mini-adult’..
    the american beauty pagents for youngsters give me a problem.. perhaps the parents living dreams through their kids.. i don’t know.
    i saw a great photo study of them once.. as usual it escapes me who it was by.

    strangely these kind of events offend me whilst i am not at all offended by the work of the snappers being discussed here..

    marcin…

    not so long ago, when moving over, i sold a nikon coolscan III for 60 USd.. this neg scanner was only getting this kind of price on ebay at the time..
    not the greatest scanners these days – fine though for editing and playing purposes.

    i think the dollar will be low for a good while yet.. going to be looking for one myself pretty soon.

  • BOB…
    I dont agree with herve that youre the top warrior
    —————
    I am cracking up, Bob…..Ok, I elevated you in my road trip pantheon as top warrior too… Hope this solves the ballistic hyperbolic chain of command denominations!

    lance soldier Herve

    :-))))))

    2) BOB again…
    as herve wrote, its not about “more sex, more nudity”
    —————-

    I never wrote that, and made no comment about any one’s series of nudes.

    My verbose was trying to simply bring the point that what is in a photo, is not the reality the mere recording of light (as you write) would tell you it is. We often commented on that many times, it is, with chance, thru the artness (or artlessness for snapshots) that revelation comes, not the exposing or just saying “here we were doing this and terefore it means that…”.

    That’s the difficulty of photography, it would tend to tell us to look and accept what we look at as reality.

    I am often suspicious of what is supposed to be read literally in a photo…. Especially if expounded over long paragraphs ;-)

    Some of the pictures we are talking about are as much performance art done in domestic settings as anything else. Therefore, It is thru the performance that maybe we hint at intimacy (and then, it could be about Intimacy, but not the intimacy of the actor(s) in the photo), but certainly not from the vague or explicit gestures of someone or a group in front of a camera.

    No matter their sincerity, it would be wrong to merely accept they “literally” tell you what is being staged (intimacy for example), for the sake of staging it.

  • HERVE ;))

    well, i never enlisted in the blog army to begin with, so i cant be promoted ;)))…and i was just teasing you and patricia about begin “top warrior” …i guess you didnt read my addendum?…incidentally, i think patricias portrais (of herself and the winter women) is magnificent (showed to marina last night)…im just (call it intrinsic) testy about “top” anything ;)))…

    as to the “more sex,more nudity”, this was a reference to the disucssion of both picasso and to the work David sited (goldin, mann) and your insightful comment about questioning what is intimacy: which has nothing to do with sex or nudity per se…that’s what i meant…and that, as i read it, is part of your insight…but the entire discussion previous had to do with nudity, sex, intimacy, etc….next time, i wont err to riff on one of your comments, forgive me…
    ironically, your reading of my writing is as apparently odd as my reading of your comment…2 peas in a pod, eh?..

    and sobol aint dealing with intimacy: you should read the essay accompanying the book…

    you’re the master of insight herve….and as we all know, you are the wisest, …and im often suspicious of folk who are suspicious…tells more about themselves that the suspect…

    all photography is an artifice…and the act of artifice can be an act of intimacy….if not, then explain to me your own compulsion to photo, to write, to discuss, to argue, to derive…

    linguistic chivalry…funny…

    sword sheathed…

    adieu king of exile…

    b

  • CATHY:
    …just in general…
    —————-

    Bob said: away with generals, Cathy! :-)))

    But about blur, I hope one day david throws in a discussion where we could debate on the totalitarism of “perfect focus”, and its infantile sickness: das blur!…Any escaping possible from these 2, apart from making great shots or, very simply, bad picture?….

    :-)))))

  • i meant: sobol IS dealing with intimacy…read the book

    b

  • Bob, maybe the difference between you and me is humour, ie. not taking things too seriously, which my type of thinking, not too accurate, struggling with expression, trying to explain ideas I have (oh, the insolence, I have ideas, worse, I differ and suspect, dig out the swords !), and also, possibly complex of persecution which I do not have.

    Why you take what I write so personally, I have no idea, yet, you are all up in arms (sword).

    And no, Bob, thinking, having ideas, struggling to clarify them, questionning the world around (suspicious? yep, guilty as charged) is far from being wise. I would understand such comment from some 6 pack drinking Bush voter, but from you, I believe you did not mean it.

    Absolutely no threat on being the self-appointed sage of the blog, from me, Bob.

    So, if that’s ok, i will keep having thoughts, and participate as myself, warts and all, on the blog. If it must be, i will do so with a pack of 6 by my side, but that is all! :-)

    PS: enjoying the tic and tac with you, but rest assured there is no sword, no weapon from where I write from. Only amity. I very much wish you did not live so far from me.

  • HELLO ALL….

    i just finished a nice Thai take out lunch in my loft with Erica and Kelly…Kelly, as you know is showing her work tonight in New York at the Slideluck Potshow gathering…i feel so bad i will be on an airplane instead of being there to support her…

    the internet connect in Tuscany where i will be all next week is not so great i think…so, i will not be on line as much as i have in the last few days…but, i will try as best i can…

    wishing all of you well and back soonest…

    cheers,david

  • editing my post, I erased part of it. I meant which my type of writing/thiking allows (about humour).

    About Sobol and the authors in question, I have no problem being wrong in thinking they are not strictly about portraying intimacy.

    I tried to locate who wrote the essay to his book, hard to find, Magnum won’t say, and amazon doesn’t have it. Not being that wise makes it easy to admit being wrong, that’s the good side of it!

    But usually, the photographer rarely writes the essay, and what his/her photos are about. They let their photos, essays speak for themselves, and that is very much a M.O. for many artists and writers. Not too many are willing to lay out on the paper, what their work/project is strictly about.

    If that was so with Jakob, ok, i was wrong.

    Furthermore, intimate details may reveal intimacy (or not), but also life, social aspects, relations, culture, climate, etc…. Damned, i’d be surprised if there wasn’t a bit of that when the M Ps accepted Sobol in their midst.

  • PATRICIA…
    I love you too..
    Bob made me cry yesterday in my car
    with that email…
    Amazing … I want to write more,
    But I can’t…

    DAVID,
    have a nice travel .. to Italia..
    the most beautiful place in the world..

    see you ALL ,
    Tuesday… I hope..

  • David,

    Have a safe fly and amazing time in colorful italian light :)))

    bloody lucky guy like Englishmen says…

    peace and good light for all!!

  • MARCIN,
    Polands tax and custom will probably be added to the price. Don’t know much it is, but probably lower than Sweden where the tax alone is 25% and 2-3% for customs I think. But even though I would have to pay the taxes the price would be much lower than in Sweden and the only negative would be no european warranty. The 9000 is looking interesting. Having the freedom to scan both 35mm and MF well with ICE.

    Cheers

  • BTW. Anyone have or have used the Coolscan V or 5000? I recently got the V and it’s great, but I’m having problems with corner softness at edge on the first and sixth frame from each strip of film. Very irritating.. Don’t want to make it into a gear forum, but what to do?
    Film is just asking for problems, but gotta love it!

  • Imacons are the only way! Get a 646 for half price on ebay and never have to scan again even–for exhibition prints!

  • DAVIN,
    Shut up! ;) I SO not want to hear that!

  • david alan harvey

    HELLO ALL….RE: POWER OF THE INTERNET

    well, i now know the full power of this forum…

    as i mentioned a short while ago, i had two very helpful bloggers in my loft this afternoon…

    Erica and Kelly made sure my suitcase was packed right, that i had on the right shirt (clean), got me into a taxi, and they even made me wear my cowboy boots for the flight to Italy(they said i needed leather) where another active blogger, Lassal, will be waitng for me in my class in Tuscany…

    now , does the allegedly “virtual” net get any better than that??

    cheers, david

  • david alan harvey

    CATHY……

    i really really hate to say this, but i agree with you!!!!

    cheers, david

  • First, sex. As there are some six billion people on the planet, the argument against sex has clearly not worked.

    Second, as a conservative Irish Catholic parochial school boy educated by the Christian Brothers and the Presentation Sisters, mostly through the use of force, and who at one point wanted to be a priest, I fear that I have most of the straitlaced mores that you would expect of such a person, so I am, in general, not the best person to answer the questions posed in the post. I dont take shots of naked people; I wouldnt know how to go about asking a person to take their clothes off for a photo shoot and even if I did, I would be too embarrassed by the question to actually ask it. As for taking nude pictures of kids, no. Never. I dont take pictures of kids unless their parents are somewhere around or there are vast numbers of people nearby. Somewhere here; I think it was Erica (wasn’t it you or am I thinking of someone else?) asked over on LS about self-imposed restraints and for me this is a big one. I am a 50 year old (God, I hate that number) never married man whose job gives him access to kids. I dont need to hit across the snout with a crowbar to figure out what’ll happen to me if someone says that I’ve been behaving inappropriately with their kid. With twenty one years of service, the powers that be can’t fire me outright, but they can administratively eliminate my position and make it impossible for me to get another job. So nude kids are out entirely and clothed kids are almost as out.

    Third, other people doing this sort of thing. Is it porno? Is it erotica? I dont know where the dividing line might be, but like Judge Stewart, I know porno when I see it; I also know when someone is just trying to make a name for themselves by shocking the bourgeoisie. Mapplethorpe with a bullwhip stuck up his wazoo is not shocking; as a petit bourgeois only a generation removed from the proletariat, I expect artists to go out of their way to shock me and offend my sensibilities; and bullwhips held firmly where the sun dont shine just makes me think that he must have spent a fortune on Vaseline for that shoot.

    Finally, there’s this,

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/akaky/2726649550/

    which is one of the great imponderables of male existence. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

  • ALL

    It was amazing!!! I learned SO MUCH from Mary Ellen Mark today and we still have one more day of the workshop. Today (Saturday) she reviewed everyone’s portfolios, and I am delighted to report that she loved my work!!! She just kept saying, “This is excellent, really excellent!” We talked a lot about my process, about my world view as a woman with a disability, about where I want to go with this work, but she had no criticism, not one word. Thank you all SOMUCH for holding me in good energy today. I could feel your support surrounding me like a bubble.

    To see a pic taken by Katie Dela Vaughn, who kindly documented my portfolio review, go to

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/101110455

    I have pages of MEM quotes and 285 pics, but they’ll have to wait. Now I’ve got to get to bed. Up early tomorrow (Sunday) for our photo shoot at the Ulster County Fair.

    Patricia

  • the prints look great.. brilliant..
    looking forward to more :o)
    x

  • Aloha,

    I’ve been home in Maui about 36 hours; this blog has covered so much ground in such a short time I just managed to catch the highlights.

    Bob, it seems you have made Panos cry.

    Panos, I would never have believed you were 40.

    Patricia, you have been turned to the dark side, asking for Panos to forgive you. However, your photos are stunning. I am so in love with the one looking up the ramp.

    DAH seems to have a love story to tell.

    Of course, I am smiling as I write each of these statements.

    I am here to confess I fell in love with my subject. I extended my departure date twice, the second time phoned in on the road after four hours of wandering lost in the Oklahoma countryside. The word distracted comes to mind. The episode the week before was even better–I drove 1-1/2 hours EAST instead of WEST to get to a plane that I ended up missing. Everyone knows Oklahoma is WEST of Arkansas not EAST.

    The discussion of intimacy in the taking of a photograph expresses so much of what happened over this summer. I fell deep into this subject’s life with each layer removed from the pain of our first relationship.

    When I say intimate remember there are many definitions of intimate. My story is an old one repeated repeatedly through time and yet it can’t be assumed.

    Falling in love, what a concept. Did I fall in love with the photos or the man? With his story or a healed relationship? I got very personal and very intimate; and a thread has been revealed with a series of photos I took just prior to DAH’s loft workshop last October.

    Jet lag and revelations have drained me and on this second night home I begin the laying out of prints for the story. However, it is late where I laid my head down just two nights ago and my body cannot be convinced otherwise.

    I’m sleeping,

    Lee

  • David Bowen,

    I am not sure to have understood everything well, but I agree with you on the fact that it depends on the intention of the photographer and I do not know how are the Media in England but in France, also they make the “terror” reign (as a lot of politics), and moreover certain journalist have a big share of responsibility in the affair of Outreau,A miscarriage of justice or several persons were condemned in twists of sexual abuse against miner, 10 of the detention… there was an overbid on behalf of the Media, in spite of numerous alerts, all the media had been incensed against these persons. Accused in twists…
    Kind Regards,
    audrey

    Ps: Millennium sent me my contract, they are interested in 30 images…

  • audrey

    i think you have understood well ..
    the media are responsible for a great number of peoples fears these days.. terror.. all kinds of things, and they do not seem to reflect.
    in england at least – the tabloid, low quality newspapers sell better, and they are more reactionary.. they appeal to basic instinct to sell more papers.

    newspapers like the sun, the star.. the news of the world.. indulge in a kind of social pornograhy, where bad news is presented selatiously and opiniated reporting moulds peoples fears and sometimes there politics as well.

    brilliant news on millennium.. you go get them.
    30 photos as a first submission is quite a good chunk. maybe ask if they can announce you joining them on the website – maybe they can give you some publicity straight away, pointing people towards your work.

    good luck
    :o)

  • Katharina

    Ni zuijin zenme yang?
    Thanks for the very timely link. Based on the little bit of the photos shown in the video, it seems to me to be not such an easy case to pass judgment about… but nevertheless, many, many people are rushing to pass judgment, including the prime minister of Australia. Which just shows that this is a very dangerous taboo area to work in, whatever the artist’s motives or intentions, or artistic skill, may be.

  • @david bowen: thanks for the Parr interview, cool. Yeah, I was reading The Sun the other day and I was feeling bad of the way they twisted words and employed not-so-subtle rethorics to create opinion in news articles. Grrr. It’s scary to think that so many people read the tabloids! The baseline of opinion they provide is in another world when compared to the Times, Guardian, Independent, Observer, etc.

  • PATRICIA :))

    i am so happy for you. :)))…prints look wonderful too :)))…showed marina Winter Women on Friday night…she loved them…her favorite: the pictures of the women in “negative” (reverse) :))))…

    PANOS :))….sorry ’bout spilling your age ;)))…email coming again tonight

    running
    b

  • PATRICIA

    congratulations on your positive feedback from MEM – i am not surprised one bit. you two share such similar energy… way to go!!

  • Patricia –

    I’m way behind here, but your Winter Women series is just gorgeous and touching. There is so much beauty in them, of the highest order. Congrats on your MEM critique, that must have felt so good.

    Gina,

    Thanks for a very good laugh, on the Look3 story.

    David,

    Glad you have cowboy boots. These bloggers have good taste! We need a shot of them on Italian soil now.

  • joni

    the parr interview is good isn’t it.. brilliant.. and maybe more suitable for the last thread than this.. but still.
    there are more ways to skin a cat, represent a story and editors who may be reluctant to use ‘straight’ imergry to cover an issue could be tempted by a sublter approach.

    the sun makes me sick.. i had teh misfortune to read a ‘daily mail’ which was left on an airport chair late last year and it was a diffrent workd.. completely.. frightening..
    utter rubbish.

    i still remember my favorite private eye parody of the daily mails style..
    ‘asylum seekers found in tap water – house prices bound to tumble..’

    :o/

  • BTW – teh sun is the u.k’s biggest selling paper.. tops 3 mill p/d

  • the..
    i always write ‘teh’.. it’s very strange.

  • katharina

    thanks for the link..
    prime minister says they are ‘revolting’..
    dear oh dear oh dear *recurring*

    perhaps a case could be argued for the sensible editing of the work for the web.. even so.. to not allow a gallery showing is daft.
    and from the photos they show i didn’t see any ‘provocative poses’ which sexuality the photos.. quite to the contrary in fact..

    what politicians and the media now deem to be ‘obscene’ is dumbfounding when compared to the greater obscenities being committed around the world today..

  • sexualize, i mean..

    to me it’s a further case of the media becoming a parody of itself.

  • Bob..
    (quick from Venice)..
    I’ll be 41 this coming May…
    So … :) thank you…
    40 sounds younger… than 41
    Anyways…
    Love you ALL..
    ( also ESTHER thank you for your
    encouraging words.. Please write here..
    I’m sure everyone will appreciate your ideas
    in this forum…:))) .. I did :)))) )

  • David B, thanks for the link on Parr. Glad someone mentionned it again, I went back to your link, so if someone missed it:

    http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/features/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003833926

    Bob, thanks for bringing up Sobol again, I hovered a lot over his pictures, noticed Magnum introduced it as “encounter” with the life of his GF’s tribe. I must say I like the sobriety, modesty of that term.

    The physicality of that encounter (this is a very physical essay, one can touch inside the frame with a bit of imagination) brought me back to my own experience of having a GF from a totally different culture than mine, within a social background well acquainted with poverty and identity survival. (Maybe I am assuming wrongly Sabine’s family is poor, not sure, I think so).

    Remembering that, i know I have “documented” that relation as well, with the supreme idiocy of clearly erasing anything that was too blurry (like in Sabine’s when she smooches up to him, and focus is unattainable) or shot too playfully.

    I am not sure if that amounts to Photograpy, or even an essay “a la Sobol”, but the fact that for cherishing the times spent in the village, yet never went back to these pictures, (for being snaps, I guess) in these last few years where i have gotten on to the pretense of Photography gives me food for thought, and a lot of.

    Apologies for bringing up my private life.

    PS: BTW, in this talk about intimacy, we have not commented on an important choice from the photographer (well illustrated in the essays/books): to be inside the frame, and not at all, or physically
    unidentifiable.

  • PANOS

    i too just turned the BIG 40 (april 26). i love being 40. i threw a huge 70’s bash here in dc. the only drama was that i share my birthday with my brother AND my sister (no other siblings). they live in CA and i did not invite them. i told them both – i have shared 39 birthdays with both of you – this one is ALL MINE! needless to say, that did not go over well. they got over it though and i had the best birthday i ever had!

    just to clarify – my twin sister Tina and I were born on our brother’s 2nd birthday….

  • ” i wanted to make masterpieces out of photographs that could belong in any family album.” boris mikhailov

  • that’s a shame about mr. henson i think he is a true artist. here is another link where his work can be found along with some other interesting treasures. is his work really any different than say larry clarks work ? sounds like a witch hunt to me..

    http://pavementmagazine.com

  • Today was the final day of my workshop with Mary Ellen Mark. It was a fabulous experience in EVERY way!!! I’ll let my daily photo blog show & tell you all about it:

    http://www.pbase.com/image/101164954

    I’ll be here in upstate New York for a few more days visiting my niece and her Significant Other. Once I get back home I’ll put up a gallery of photos and quotes from the workshop. If you’ve ever been to the Catskill Mountains you’ll know why I don’t want to leave. Not yet anyway…

    Patricia

  • Herve,

    theres a middle ground too between being in the frame and unidentifiable…and thats to photograph yourself without photographing yourself…I mean by catching traces of yourself, be in the the reaction of those in the frame to you OR maybe some physical objects of yours. Thats what Ive been trying to do, initially the idea of shooting still lifes came from a need to be in the story without me being in the photos. One of my favorite images from HSH is one of eye glasses, mine and my wife’s on a widow ledge. Im not in the photo but theres a trace of me…I try to plant those little shots throughout the story Im building.

  • Absolutely, Rafal. I meant unidentifiable by…The police! :-)

    I just learnt Solzhenitsyn died. A giant! I am not sure about the Henson story.

    I find that some of the mediatic relays between the voiceless and the powerful have been more and more missing. People, who could and should speak up don’t anymore. Gone are the days of voices of conscience whose words helped so many and forced others to engage themselves.. I think of Menuhin, Casals, and Solzhenitsyn indeed.

    Tonight on public TV, there was, on topic, a superb docu on Pete Seeger. A great american who was censored off TV and radio for 17 years. All he did (and still does!) was singing. Vocal…..

  • http://www.pbase.com/image/101164954

    Yes, just looking at that shot, Patricia, I don’t know what others think, but I find MEM and DAH are extremely dissimilar photographers!!!!

    :-))))))))))

  • Regards the Henson debacle – A lot of people spoke out on his behalf , argued for his right to produce the work – But I don’t remember he , himself speaking out on his own behalf = maybe I missed it – But he just went to ground and it really was’nt a good look!
    Do You think an artist should justify the work ? especially when tip toeing through the mine field of children and sexuality?
    Maybe I missed his sticking up for himself.
    Solzhenitsyn – true genius – I re read a day in the life of Ivan Desinovich last month – for the first time since I was 18 – perceptions change , true art stays the same.
    It comes to those when they are ready.

    Vale Alexander.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008090013_solzobit04.html

  • glenn

    i wonder if henson is avoiding the row as a way of not dignifying the criticism.. after all, if he does wade in then he is validating the opinions against his work.
    if his work is about provoking debate then it has succeeded in that goal – perhaps, beyond his photographs, there is little he needs to add?

    on artists statements generally – i rarely read them.

  • katharina

    thanks for the link..
    beautifully captures the grey area of the teenage years.. so much more than a time of sexual awakening, and he’s covered the fact very well, i think.

  • PATRICIA – i love that picture of MEM and her long hair. Nice moment

  • Timing is all, Patricia; no matter how great the Catskills are now, you should see them in the fall. In about a month and a half they are going to be gorgeous beyond belief.

  • BLOODY HELL!

    (shhhh… Sorry Herve, shouting again!)

    Couple days away and over 10 or so pages of comments…

    So much, but the only thing of importance I can add to this discussion is GLENN I am in Darwin next week for a few days before heading down the track to the Alice, would be great to catch up for a beer if poss, KAT thanks for posting the Henson link- its an important event for photographers to see, DAH I agree multi-media is the way to go (sound, stills, video-NOICE! Its what I am working with at the mo) and my final comment…

    PANOS

    What do you use on your skin? I am only a coupla years older than you and I reckon I look about +20 years! Shit I thought you were about 28!!!! Whats the trick ‘eh (and don’t tell me its lots of water OK!) or are you just having us on- 40 indeed!

  • ALL,

    Hello everybody. I’ve read that some of you will be in Perpignan (visa pour l’image) at the beginning of september (Gina, Audrey… and some more) and also David. This year I will also be there and I remember last year David told us that usually he hangs out in the afternoons after the projections at Cafe le Poste, so I was thinking that it would be a very nice idea to meet some of you there. What do you think? ; ) If anybody is interested, you can email me to anayphoto AT gmail.com
    David, is this year any Magnum seminar or portfolios review in Perpignan? Is it necessary to get acreditation to go to the reviews?
    Hmm! I’m so looking forward to be in this festival for the first time!
    (and sorry for the offtopic…)
    Regards,
    Ana

  • ERICA, SPENCER, MIKE & NYC BLOGGERS

    As many of you know, I’ve been upstate for a workshop with Mary Ellen Mark. Now I’ve decided I’m so close to the City it would be crazy not to go there too. So I’ve got reservations at a Day’s Inn in Ridgefield, NJ and will be taking the ferry into the City on Wednesday & Thursday. If I give them 24 hours notice, the NY Waterways folks will get me my own wheelchair accessible bus to take me anywhere in the city I want & then pick me up! Hey, sometimes it pays to be disabled!

    Any chance we could meet for shooting, food or a drink? Erica, I’d love to be of whatever assistance I could be to you if you’ll be working on your portrait project! Call me. My cell is 313-410-0454.

    Patricia

  • Ana,
    It is a very good idea !! I you will find with pleasure in the café le poste , you go to love the festival Visa pour l’Image !!!
    à très bientôt, audrey

  • PATRICIA, MIKE

    Maybe it would work to have you both on Wednesday during the afternoon to shoot, and then we go for a beverage after with whoever can join? (Mike and I just spoke at the Slideluck Potshow !Go Kelly!! about hime coming to help this week as well)

    There is a nice beer garden place right across the street from where I am shooting.

    Who else is around Wednesday evening to meet in Brooklyn? Only thing is I have a party to go to that night as well, so I would duck out early..

  • ANA – would be happy to meet with all in Perpignan. i am busy with meetings during the days – do not know my schedule yet – but later afternoons are good for me. i am sure we will all find each other at La Poste….

  • ALL

    a quick project update as some of you have voiced it is helpful to hear this..

    I have just passed my 100th person photographed for the project, and while that is exciting, I feel so very behind. This type of project involves a lot of order and organization, and with this many people it takes an important chunk of time to do what needs to be done. For example, the light is lovely right now, but, I just spent the morning going through the model releases, making sure all the rolls of film that I thought were shot were here, unloading the 4×5 from the film holders in a dark bag (tedious, one holder at a time) and I have to get into the city to drop off the film but I haven’t finished doing the preliminary scanning from the last batch.

    Then the audio from a given day needs to stay with the images from that day, and the image/audio files need to get named with the date and person’s name so I can find them later. I’m not complaining, just saying the light is nice but I feel like the ceiling is getting lowered as it is, and I am stressed about the whole parallax thing on the close up adapter for the rollei throwing off the image in the viewfinder and I worry everything is screwed up and I don’t want to shoot more till i have that information but at the same time I don’t want to wait either.so, that’s just a glimpse of what is going on here.

    I also am getting that sense of getting close to the end of shooting (for money reasons), but without seeing all the images, I don’t have a clear idea of the blanks..so it’s a bit confusing. And i haven’t had the where with all to scan any of the 4×5 (this has become a medium format project with hopes of exclamation points in 4×5 because of time/$$)..so i don’t know what any of the 4×5 looks like except that I can see there is a small pinhole light leak in the bellows. As far as I can tell from the negs, it doesn’t affect the tones overall, jut produces a line that will have to be PS out. Essentially, I am scared to look and find out.

    All in all, am happy with the progress, extremely grateful for the help, and hopeful all will work out well. Am aware though of the challenges of trying to pull this off in a relatively short period of time without money or the ability to just shoot everyday.

    What stage is this in David’s assessment a couple of topics back about the natural rhythm of a project? Is this the part where I curl up in bed for a day?

  • I guess Henson’s debacle will go the way most of that stuff comes, if you have some kind of notoriety. Lots of brouhaha, everybody has an opinion, big lawyer’s fees, and the judge deciding what we all know already, square one (if it ever goes to trial).

    I am sure the Aussie constitution defends freedom of speech, and if Henson has not done antyhing to the kids, had permission and release from the parents (assuning they are not his), “beaucoup de bruit pour rien”…

    Except that by instilling a fear of legal, financial and societal harassment, “borderline art” artists, those who have no notoriety will heed the call of self-censoring. There are many ways to the fear of the infamous knock on the door at midnight…

    There were many artists and notorious whatnot speaking CASUALLY against Irak (easy to be against war and say the govnmt is lying, it’s not really big news for many centuries now), but very few ready to put their careers and sales on the line and walk their talk. At least that’s how I read one of the damnedness of the Irak fiasco.

    PS: Maybe his lawyers told Henson not to say anything.

  • Sounds like it to me. Maybe what you need is a day off. Whatever you can do to stay loose, Erica. Loosey goosey, not like a duck.

  • CHARLIE

    you are right, as I just looked back thru what I have scanned and had the ‘oh no, everything is shit’ moment..I’m going to the gym, that will clear my head!

  • Erica, you sure put the word “working” in photography. Thanks again for taking us in the very details and trials that make a photographer’s life, or rather fill a P’s day.

    The other side of the “shooting loose” coin…. ;-)

  • Everyone is working so hard. You all meeting in NYC with Patricia–have fun.

    Erica, can sympathize with the work involved. 10 weeks on the road all and hundreds of photos need downloading; and I am working on one essay that is creating research and work for me and two re-shoots. But I like what is evolving.

    When I first saw the real story I began pacing the room and trying to find a reason to not use the photo that came to mind needed to complete the essay. Then, went to the external drive to locate the one photo–inaccessible. Shows no photos on the entire drive. Then went to my secondary back up–burned cds. I just went through all the ones in my office. The ones missing on the backup drive are missing their cds. I know they will show up and there is a logic to all this but in this space it feels very strange.

    Sometimes moments in life seem so obviously dictated by an outside source and appear to be signs that you should or should not do a particular thing. Sure do wonder where those cds are.

    Lee

  • erica..
    ahh.. the ‘everything is shit moment’..
    runners call it the pain barrier i think and photographers who care enough about their work to feel this way rarely produce shit… they just expect the highest from themselves.

    absolutely gutted about the pinhole leak in the bellows, although it sounds as though you are on top on the solution, which is brilliant.

    will all come good.. and you have some lovely company to look forward to..

    all

    i’ve put more work up.. in my editing blog..
    think i have about 230 or 40 images now.. still editing in B&W.. probably halfway through .. still no labels.. no countries identified.. no order..

    it’s kind of fun for me to see them as just a bunch of photos right now, although i can tell that pretty soon i’m going to be over that and looking forward to shaping them into a cohesive whole.

    then.. hmm.
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

  • Herve: “BTW, in this talk about intimacy, we have not commented on an important choice from the photographer (well illustrated in the essays/books): to be inside the frame, and not at all, or physically
    unidentifiable.”

    I’m a proud owner of Vortex by d’Agata, and he’s in every frame of this book. Often shot by people that are not himself. Link:
    http://www.magnumphotos.com/archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBoxInsertion.ViewBoxInsertion_VPage&R=2TYRYDACGGFF&RP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxThumb_VPage&CT=Album&SP=Album

    @ANA & AUDREY: say hi to each other from me! :o) I’m sure you’ll have fun in Perpignan, you’re both very passionate and close about shooting! Audrey, good luck with the English. Ana, good luck with the French.

  • Erica,
    you must try and tape up the light leaks in your bellows. that will cause you huge problems.

  • Erica,

    I think this is the point in the project where you get a massage. And a cold beer. Good luck with it all, sounds like you have been hugely busy. Unlike me — well, I’ve been busy, but with the minutiae of life, like caulking an old tub and ferrying kids in the heat and dogwalking for a friend. The good news is, the dog lives in a lovely house where it’s quiet and peaceful and I’ll be shooting later this week, so I know I’ll have a refuge to work.

    But really — and Lee too — think about that massage.

  • david b

    i enjoy following your editing.. the images bring back memories for me. and good ones too. oh the crazy stuff we did.

    and i like the images too. quite the atmosphere, never seem to be able to catch it like you do. i always for *some* reason get carried away by the music :)

    cheers
    anton

  • HERVE / ALL

    I’m back..went to the gym, had some sushi, went for a walk, feeling better and am scanning again. Yes, I am working to my capacity, but it’s for something I really want to do (I chose to shoot yesterday, was my birthday, and I made time for celebration before and after but what would I rather do than shoot?) and am privileged to be able to do. You know who is working ‘hard’ is one of my helpers, Sana. She has a very full schedule interning at Magnum and working at ICP, and she travels almost 2 hours each way at least once a week to help me. She came yesterday, even though she wasn’t feeling well..and it isn’t even for her own work..

    LEE

    you can always pray to St. Anthony..

    DAVID B

    Yep, thankfully I go down this road enough to know it fairly well. We have to go through this stage in some form, don’t we, in order to reign it in and get serious and evaluate critically where to move..It’s just that when so many people are giving of themselves for something (both assistants and the 100 people photographed) I feel the responsibility to make something worthy of that. So much doing..it would be sad if it didn’t turn out as well as I would like..it will be fine.

    WROBERT

    I just finally put some tape on a suspect area yesterday. I really think slowly! I should have done this awhile back, but it is truly a tiny thing and I am not concerned at this point. If when I scan I see I have wasted a lot of time (not just my own) and $$, then I might be upset. For now, I am choosing to believe that there isn’t a big problem.

  • JOAN

    you just did something akin to giving an alcoholic a drink..I have no greater weakness than the two small words…spa retreat…

    in fact, just today received a gift certificate to a japanese style spa..can’t wait..

  • ERICA – HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! (one day late)

  • LISA – When are you going to be in Darwin?
    I’d love to catch up , I am going on a trip next Thursday afternoon after the Telstra’s and will be away till Saturday Morning.

  • HAPPY BIRTHDAY ERICA!

  • Erica,

    Birthday?! Now you MUST indulge. I have a great weakness for this too, and indulged it this morning. Enjoy!

  • GLENN.

    Just wondering if you got the link to the permaculture project from the Top End? I just thought it may lead onto something for you.

    Cheers

  • ERICA

    Happy birthday!! Hopefully we can celebrate together…

    Alas Wednesday is already booked. Any chance I could connect with you on Thursday instead? Sure hope so. Can you either call me on my cell at 313-410-0454 or post your phone # here and I’ll call you? I’ll have internet access until 11 a.m. Tuesday but not again until Tuesday night.

    Patricia

  • ERICA

    I was recently treated to a ‘Salt Glo,’ the most aggressive spa treatment I’ve ever had… and left there feeling cleaner than ever! :) It was AMAZING. The masseuse scrubbed my bod with course sea salt, while jets of warm water blasted down on me. There was nothing gentle about it… and it wasted a ton of water… but was the most invigorating treatment I’ve ever experienced. If you were here (or I were there), I’d go again in a heartbeat, as I recently received a gift certificate as well.

    HAPPY BDAY! According to your book jacket, I’m ahead of you by just a few months…

    Anna B.

  • ERICA

    p.s. Embrace these doubts you are feeling… Sounds like they need a big hug.

  • HAPPY B’DAY ERICA!!!!

    May God grant you many years.

  • Erica! My Leo sister! Happy birthday! Mine is Wednesday!

    sl

  • Well, then, averaging the belated and upcoming ones, Happy Birthday to both, Erica and Spencer.

  • happy birthday from Venice ,
    To erica , spencer and everybody else!!!
    Peace

  • Erica, ******One very very happy birthday*******

  • Happy birthday erica! I would say indeed, a good 24 hours off with a few open days to completely dive in afterward would do you well…I’m back in the city next tuesday, I really will be ready and willing to help you out then!

    happiest to you…
    anna

  • Spencer, ******One very very happy birthday so*******

  • ROSS – Yes and thanks for your link – I don’t know that I will be going over that way anytime soon – Things are a bit sensitive for me at the Moment, But if I do end up near there I’ll definitely have a look.

  • Joni, tu seras toujours le bienvenue à Béziers, si tu veux venir faire Visa pour l’Image, n’hésite pas !

    ps: je commence les cours d’anglais à la rentrée…

  • The rest of my post vanished

    Above is the transcript of Bill Henson’s speech opening night (11 july) at the National Gallery of Australia exhibition Picture Paradise: Asia Pacific photography 1840s – 1940s

    ERICA

    The “Its all shit moment” is a good sign. If at some point you DIDN’T think that it would probably be true.
    Its going to be great.

    GINA

    Where are the Chickens !? I’m stuck in bed with the flu, board out of my brain at the other end of the world.
    Hangin out to see some Chickens on a bus !!

  • erica..

    have a great year.. something for you and all..

    Edward Weston:
    “Photography to the amateur is recreation, to the professional it is work, and hard work too, no matter how pleasurable it my be.”

    :o)

    anton

    thanks mate. the music carries me also.. dancing with a camera in hand is good for cardio-vascular work out..

  • Hey Matt,
    thanks for link !

  • Hi Katharina

    I think the last paragraph of his speech makes it pretty clear where he is coming from.

    Hey, I saw you article in Asian Geo the other day – nice.

    With the olympics coming up we are being bombarded with documentaries about China. Which is great.

  • ERICA,

    Your birthday was on August 3rd????? MINE too!! We were born the same day, wow! Happy birthday to you ;-)

    And to SPENCER too. Seems like his’ is today.

    JONI,

    Don’t you want to join two ‘very passionate’ girls in Perpignan? :D You should come too!!

    AUDREY & GINA,

    Sure it will be great to meet you in Perpignan. Let’s see if more people join us to have some talks and fun at the Café le Poste! Now we have to think how we’ll recognize each other… Audrey, I will mail you my cell phone. We can send an sms to each other once we’re there. Same with you, Gina! But the best way to recognize everybody is…. if DAVID is there!!

    DAVID or ANYBODY THAT WAS THERE LAST YEAR,

    I want to bring my portfolio (still have to prepare it and edit, oh my good) and show it in the portfolios reviews. But in the “Visa pour l’Image” website, they don’t explain how to do it. I have no idea if you have to make a registration or just have to stand on line for it, if you have to bring a book with printed photographies or you can show it with a laptop, if there is a number of copies to show…. It is my first time I do a portfolio’s review??? Any advices or instructions from the people that has been already there???
    I would appreciate your comments VERY much.

    Kisses!

    Ana Yturralde

  • Erika buon compleannooooo!!!!

  • erica and spencer:

    happy birthday from the family black!

    hugs
    bob

  • Thanks Katharina and Matt , I must have missed the National Gallery speech ( but I think it was a good while after the initial shitstorm )

  • How fortunate am I??? I’ll be spending the day in NYC with Spencer on his ACTUAL BIRTHDAY!!! Hey, we bloggers are FAMILY!

    Now I hope to be able to spend Thursday with Erica during her BIRTHDAY WEEK!!!

    Patricia

  • GLENN

    Leaving Sydney next Wednesday 13th at about 4.30pm (presumably there around about 12pm isn’t it?)

    We are there until the following Monday morning. I am not 100% but I think I have Saturday off, so that could be goer! will email you my phone number!

    The power of the web indeed!!

    MATT

    Great link!!!

    Henson certainly seems clearer as an artist to me now, more humane and compassionate than I often get from his work, which I, contrary to popular opinion, feel is quite cold and aloof.

    I would love to know what DAH makes of Henson’s particular way of exploring that period of our lives where our adolescent sexuality is often unconscious to ourselves, but obvious to the more experienced…

    I mean isn’t that what the Henson drama is about?

  • Which week are you folks going to Perpignan?

    I’m tempted…

  • PATRICIA

    yes, I will call..thurs could work..what are you and Spencer going to do on Wednesday?

    MIKE is coming today to help :)

    SPENCER, ANA!!

    happiest of birthdays..a good week for photographers to be born..

    ALL

    thank you for all the b-day wishes

    ANNA B

    that salt treatment sounds amazing..don’t you just love a girl’s day out at the spa? I had this crazy treatment like yours in France, where you had to hold on to handles on the wall so as not to get blown away by the jets..and then whacked with branches of eucalyptus and then wrapped up like a mummy and left. the smoke alarms went off during my alone time, and no one showed up to tell me what was going on, and I was zipped up like a mummy with no access to my arms..good times!!!

    DAVID B

    that’s an honest quote, indeed..

    MATTHEW

    feel better, see if you can get your hands on a film call Scent of Green Papaya, I’ve been thinking about it again of late, it will make you feel better..

    ANNA Barry Jester

    I am glad you are back soon..seems I will escape for next week, to the ocean for some fun, but the week of the 18th I will be refreshed and ready..hope you will still be around!

    ALL

    there are these kids, high school freshman/sophomores, hanging out in front of a sneaker store..16 pair of Kobe Bryant signature shoes are being released, 8 in NYC and 8 in Texas. These kids are sleeping on the street Mon – Fri to get a pair, sweet kids..someone should do a little story on them. I may photograph some of them today if they can have someone watch their spot..one boy said last night he would write a rap for my project about the changing hood, will see if he did it, can record the audio today..

  • re sneaker boys..i should mention this is a job for them, these are local boys who will have figured out that $7.15 an hour doesn’t go so far..the shoes sell for $444.00 and can be turned over for $3,000..smart young boys

  • ERICA / SPENCER,

    Happy (belated) birthday to you both…I still wonder why everyone insists on reminding the birthday boy or girl that they are now a year closer to death, but there are some societal conventions too strong to be resisted, I guess.

  • Everyone–

    Thanks so much for the birthday wishes! But where’s my damn cake???!!!

    Erica–

    Patricia and I are planning a visit to MoMa to see some photography. You should take the day off and join us!

    Ana–

    Happy birthday to you too!! We are all so close together, I think next year we need to have a party!

    Akaky–

    Mine is tomorrow, so I guess your b-day wish to me would be be-earlied? And for me it’s not another year closer to death. My constant desire to see what’s going to happen next is too strong. I refuse to die.

    sl

  • SPENCER, ANA and ERICA

    Happy Birthday to all!

    PATRICIA

    Unfortunately I am going to be out of town during your visit… would have liked to have met up. The Met has a pretty good show up right now of 19th and early 20th c. photographs, an alternate suggestion if you prefer early photography…

    I’m taking a quick trip to the Jersey Shore… I’ll be looking for pictures in Wildwood and a good craps table in Atlantic City….

  • Matt,Lisa
    great link !
    I wished there were some affordable books on/by Henson ( what I found online was very expensive) .

    Matt,
    yes, it’s pretty crazy here…. just came back from the rehearsals …security everywhere…helicopters in the sky….security all over town… and then all the “unpretty” things happening elsewhere here and other parts of China….

  • ERICA,

    You have good taste in films… ‘Scent of Green Papaya’ is one of my favorite little-known and ‘quiet’ films.

  • ERICA

    Thanks!! :-) it is true, a good week for photographers to be born!! My boyfriend’s b’day is also the same day as you and me, and he is a photographer too!!

    SPENCER

    Thank youuuu too. Definitely yes. Next year we all should do a Leo Photographers’ birtday party!!!

    NEIL

    I’ll be in Perpignan during the professional week that is from 1 to 7 of september. Sill have to decide the exact dates in the week, maybe the last three days (5, 6 & 7). Will be nice to see you there too!!

  • Oh, and MIKE. Thank you too!!! :-)

  • Ana, **** very happy birthday too****

    Neil, I hope that will come also to Perpignan !!

  • Running out in a second, Mike is on his way, but here’s one more in process photo taken by Andrew Sullivan..am checking out J’s tattoos to see if we need to get him to take his shirt off..he’s a lovely man, has held the reflector/helped my break down the studio, help translate in spanish one day…long time resident, but i only got to know him from this project..now i want to shoot him every time he walks by :)

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2735193079_34123dcd23.jpg?v=0

  • I have had countless critiques of my work that have ended in screaming matches. My main body of work for the last few years has been based around the creative exploration of my child’s life and the creative relationship that we share together. In more than a few of my photographs my son Elias has appeared in the nude.. Nude, what a strange word. Most of the negative feedback has come from people who have been made uncomfortable by the images. The image of a child in a field wearing a faceless mask, or the sleeping child with the demon dream master by his bed (nightmare series) are two of my images that caused a firestorm in my small photo community in the last few years. Granted, they are a little creepy, but thats the point of an image about a child’s nightmares, or an image about the loneliness of childhood..but in no way are they pornographic, or exploit the innocence of childhood. I have seen countless images of kids with guns, playing war games, and acting out scenarios that should in this day and age of school shootings and kid on kid violence raise more flags then an image of a naked child, taken by their parent in a creative, unforced environment… I of course pay no attention to my hecklers and continue to turn their comments back onto them with a simple “what is it about you that makes you uncomfortable with this image?” And that might be it right there. I have no issue with the images of Sally Mann, but I will admit seeing images of young pre-teen girls just starting to hit puberty through me off at first. This could because I never experienced images like that before. Somewhere inside of me, my discomfort, my voyeurism, my reading to far into the mind of the male photographer who made these images, caused me to reject the body of work at first. Thats natural, I guess, but we still continue to look and explore the images in so that we can discover the meaning behind them, whether that meaning is our own or our interpretation of the artist’s vision.. Perhaps those images have no meaning in them for me. Maybe this is why I do not understand them. As humans we want to understand, so we continue to look. Take a car crash for example. How many of us have been unable to pull our eyes from the twisted vision of a horrible accident? What are we looking for? Are we looking for a shared experience, or are we drawn to the drama of such an event and wish to tap into that intensity somehow?
    We also as Americans live in a puritanical society where violence is common place, but anything remotely different is suppressed and put out on the edges of our world, just out of sight. It was not that long ago that you could not send an image through the US postal service that showed pubic hair. I think I remember Ed Weston writing in his day books about having to ship his images by train to avoid the US Postal service’s rule… Photography still holds such a power over peoples perception of the real. While most people have no problem looking at a painting of a naked child, the same image as a photograph causes such discomfort. Is it the photograph’s ability to feed the viewer’s voyeurism?
    Our translation of meaning can not be universal. So in turn, who is to say what is wrong, or what is right?
    Since the daugerrotype we have made billions of images. We have photographed War, Faked photographs of War, made countless images of men, women and children, made pornography as common as the school picture, opened the eyes of the world to the crimes of the few, opened the world to the beauty of humanity, inspired environmentalism, connected families together from thousands of miles away, studied distant planets, and the list goes on and on…
    I guess what I am saying is that people need to look, translate, explore, reject, or accept.. and then move on…

  • Right on, Douglas, but also, in all fairness, censorship (that means also politics) seems as much part of any society in any century as religion, war, peace or… Sexuality!

    It is probably good that Henson’s case is made so publicly, a picture book example of the usual trappings of censorship debate.

    Yet, as the controversy around Mapplethorpe, Goldin, Mann, etc left up… the works were, or were to be, readily available.

    Could it be that medias and establishments still both snap the finger of, AND protect their artistic elites, with the conviction (pun intended) we give not a crime, but actually a ritual?

    Meanwhile, the brandishing of the law (a bigger stick than just morality or virtue) will keep the common man from entertaining the thought, ie. the folly, of entering this age-old covenant.

    Just a thought.

  • ANA (and those going to Perpignan)

    Yes, I agree we will need to be able to find everyone. but trust me – you will always find DAH at le post. but we can also pick a day and time to all meet before for lunch or something. i will get a cell phone number from work – and will forward it then.

    i will be there there Aug. 31-Sept7

  • MATTHEW… i lied. i am not ready to show the mexico work just yet. still editing. down to 250 right now and want to get it down to 20. i may even wait until perpignan and show DAH. will be up shortly after that though…

  • @Ana: such bad timing… I’m finishing off my writing up these days, and I’m quite sure I can’t make it even if it’s to join very passionate girls :oD

    @Audrey: merci! c’est bien sur que je serais la a octobre… pour desplacer de cardiff a malaga…

  • ERICA

    the ‘eucalyptus mummy whip’ sounds adventuresome too!!

  • Erica,
    just wondering what the focal length of the lens your using on the 4×5 is. are you bracketing your exsposures?
    reason i ask is I have very effective method for exact exposure control. if you are having issues w/ exsp then let me know and I can share the technique.
    best wishes to everyone

  • Okay, I have a new gallery up on LS and I’m looking for opinions, editing wise. I think I should drop pix 1 and possibly 2 as well, 5, 10, 14, and 17. What do you think? Any and all feedback is appreciated.

    http://www.lightstalkers.org/galleries/slideshow/14327

  • WROBERT

    just in from shooting..Mike smartly figured out where the light leak is coming from..it’s a perfect line about 3/4 of an inch from the top of the negative..it’s from the film holder ‘gate’..the seal must be screwed up on some of the holders..I bought the holders used from one source. so shit!, but easy to buy new ones, just expensive to purchase them new and not used. Do you have any experience with fixing that seal?

    Bracket..no, never, not even with MF..can’t afford to and haven’t ever felt the need to..I use a light meter and there seems to be enough latitude on BW film that exposures aren’t an issue for me. I feel, once I start bracketing, it’s like saying to myself that i am trying to get the same shot at 3 different exposures, which is so very different from how I shoot..meaning, I wouldn’t want to recreate the shot. If I am using 3 frames in total on someone, they all should be different…so I’d hate to throw the exposure for 2 of them. That said, I would like to learn your method, and to understand when and why you use it, if you are still willing to share..

    I am shooting with a 210 on the 4×5

  • DOUGLAS

    Your words reminded me of some work I saw a very long time ago. When I was first getting into photog, I purchased a folio (litho reprints) of the work of Lewis Carroll (Dodgson), specifically his images of little Alice Liddell.

    His biographer wrote

    We cannot know to what extent sexual urges lay behind Charles’s preference for drawing and photographing children in the nude. He contended the preference was entirely aesthetic. But given his emotional attachment to children as well as his aesthetic appreciation of their forms, his assertion that his interest was strictly artistic is naive. He probably felt more than he dared acknowledge, even to himself.

    All I know is that as a young female interested in photography, these images intrigued me..but I also intuitively felt something was amiss..they are beautiful, and I think they informed me as a budding photographer, but as an adult it is hard for me to appreciate them fully.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Alice_Liddell_2.jpg/414px-Alice_Liddell_2.jpg
    http://images.npg.org.uk/OCimg/weblg/2/2/mw66622.jpg
    http://www.humanities.ualberta.ca/agora/fig8.jpg
    http://thames.me.uk/s01550_files/image020.jpg

  • Erica
    I use a 210 also.
    its a bit complicated to explain, but once you understand it is very simple
    you need a tape measure.

    210 mm= 8″
    when focussed on infinity the distance between the front and rear standard is 8″ center to center.
    as you get clser to the subject the distance in the bellows increases.
    say the distance maybe 11″
    this is the tricky part so just bare with me,

    convert the 8″ into fstops
    8″= f8
    camera set at 11″
    11″ = f11
    (becuase you are using an 8″ lens)
    the difference between f8 and f11 = 1 stop
    there for you add one stop to the exsposure for your bellows extension factor.

    if the distance was 9″ then you would add a 1/3 stop
    f8,f9,f10,f11 etc etc.
    I use this method on every exspoure. unless nothing changed between shots. as you mention shooting and processing aint cheap so I dont want any underexsposed film.
    it maybe adds about10 seconds to the overall setup for a shot, so its worth it in my book.
    anywaybest of luck with the project, I think its great that you are shooting with the 4×5. I love format and its pretty much my main camera. looking for a nice wooden field camera soon.

    David,
    so sorry for the technical ramblings, I know the policy here, but since Erica is such a fantastic photographer seems like this info maybe really helpfull, for the project and saving film, $, etc.
    best wishes.

  • i’m blown away everytime i check out this site. it is impossible to keep up, but it is so rewarding to try…

    even harder to try to participate… but so inspiring.

    but i just had to write when i found so many people who were born on august 3.

    me too!

    happy birthday to all… and a *huge* thank you to all Bob, Panos, David, Erica, and everyone who writes and shares…

    cheers from brazil,

    ig

    +1 (shy) link (with sound):

    http://www.lost.art.br/antarcticamonamour.htm

  • Thanks for the link, Ignacio, MM works here, and I truly love the last picture, shot at midnight or something?

    Akaky, I dunno, half the time, LS freezes up on me, could not watch your “fire” essay.

  • *

    Different ways for “salvation”

    West vs East in “Venice”…

    “You choose , if Jesus or Mohammed will eventually “SAVE” you..

    But if you come to Venice Beach to “preach” US, you betta be prepared for some serious “DEBATE”…

    WEST vs EAST… Hardcore “christianity” vs any other “new” religion…

    BUT,… HONESTLY.. WHO WANTS “COMPETITION” ANYWAYS ??????

    MONOPOLY … is the way to go… for max “profits”…

    Ladies & Gents… just came back…
    Hot from Venice… the clash of two strong civilazations…
    christianity, the “west” vs the “east”, the rest of the world..
    but,
    still,
    in VENICE BEACH,
    EVERYONE HAS A PLACE, EVERYONE HAS A VOICE…. !!!

    http://web.me.com/innerspacecowpanos/%22MOVIES%22/West_vs_East_in_Venice….html

    13 NEW PHOTOS… under the link : ” Different ways for salvation ”
    peace

  • ERICA

    Spencer and I are meeting at the 53rd St. entrance to MoMA at 1 p.m. tomorrow (Wednesday). It would be fabulous if you could join us. We’ll then be going to the photography galleries. Both of us have dinner engagements in the East Village so will probably be bussing it down there later in the afternoon. Sure hope we can connect!

    Patricia

  • ” DIFFERENT WAYS FOR SALVATION “… 13 new photos from VENICE BEACH…

    ( And for whoever prefers “more” resolution, BIGGER, BETTER…
    click below…)

    http://gallery.me.com/innerspacecowpanos#100115&view=mosaic&sel=0

  • PATRICIA

    sorry I couldn’t call today..(shooting and have family in town) promise I will find you tomorrow, tho I don’t think I can join in the reindeer games..we can try to meet thurs

    WROBERT

    thank you for the techies, alas it is late and I will have to try to make sense of it in the am

    IGNACIO

    another aug 3..fantastic..will look at your link in the am, welcome!

    ALL

    for anyone into dates / astrology, a fantastic place for monthly horoscopes for artists..usually with some politics thrown in..overall intelligent..

    http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/horoscope/horoscope.asp

    night!

  • Sounds good, Erica. You’ve got my cell. Look forward to hearing from you.

    Patricia

  • First,

    Erica Happy Birthday! Sorry Im late with the wishes. Best wishes though. And Im fascinate t0o read your posts about your project’s progress. Seems like a big undertaking what with the release forms and all. Im counting my lucky stars I dont have to deal with all that stuff.

    Reading some of the stories about people having problems from nude photos of their kids….its so strange where Western society is heading…there seems to be such a turn to the conservative right.

    Nice work Panos,

    for me ive been doing 2 projects now,

    One for serious
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/collections/72157604057061111/

    and

    One more for fun
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157606002172259/

  • Ignacio–

    Beautiful photographs!

  • IGNACIO

    lovely work.. particularly enjoyed seeing the bosts front from above in heavy weather and some fo the ice photos.. brilliant.

    PANOS

    according to ‘the mans’ message of gods… erm.. love (?).. we’re ALL going to hell..
    the dancer photos took me straight back to india.. strange to see from venice..
    thanks.

    DOUGLAS made truesay..

    ” I have seen countless images of kids with guns, playing war games, and acting out scenarios that should in this day and age of school shootings and kid on kid violence raise more flags then an image of a naked child,”

  • LISA – It’s going to be Festival time while your up here so a good time to be had and a bit of interest in whats going on , maybe you should cast your net and get some gigs while your up here?

  • AKAKY

    I watched your slideshow several times + kept pausing it on number 4. Quite a powerful image you have there!

    Anna B.

  • Akakay–

    Nice work. These photos are frightening to me. I agree with Anna. Number 4 is intense. The cross in the lower left corner is very eerie. And I really like the sequence of 11, 12 and 13. My least favorite is the last one.

    Very nice.

    sl

  • Ignacio,
    really nice work !

  • Ok, Akaky, got to see the essay, I ended up having Satie playing on “fire”, but what the heck… Great music, both pieces, and it is interesting how the mood changes on the same photographs, when the music differs… The adagio is maybe a bit too sad, though, since we see little pain in the essay, but only IMO after all.

    I agree with Spencer, the last drew a ? from me. I find that #6 is doubling #5, and for my 2 cents, #7, 8, 17 could go.

    The rest works very well, and my 2 favs are the “the Beast” (a monochrome in color) and #15.

  • PANOS – You really nailed it with number 2 and you should be proud of that picture.
    AKAKY – 1 ,3 ,4 …..I sorta got lost after that I’d like to see that money shot of the heroic type all nicely lit up in colour ,any reason for the Mono?
    Fire is such a beast to photograph and you really pulled it off in the early frames , but ooooooohhhhh fire , it’s good , its all good.

    http://www.digitalrailroad.net/glenn/Production/PhotoGroupView.aspx?pbid=4&msa=1&pgid=7784590&ipp=64

  • Ana,

    I suggest you bring prints to Perpignan for portfolio reviews – it’s difficult to see a laptop screen if you’re in a bright area.

    Or bring a dark cloth which you and the reviewer can cover the screen and your heads with – like a large format photographer looking through the ground glass screen.

  • to all those that are getting… ehm… WISER ;)

    happy birthday

    to ERICA:

    lurking here and there I’m not sure I understood correctly what is your project about… anyway, your backstage shots reminded me of the streetstudio project by Clay Enos:

    http://www.streetstudio.com/

    maybe you already knew about it…
    ciao

  • AUDREY & ABELE – thank youuuuu

    GINA – Perfect. Send me an email where I can send you my cell phone number too (anayphoto AT gmail.com)

    JONI – We’ll miss you!

    IGNACIO – Wow! Born in august 03rd too? That’s incredible!! Erica, you and me should meet and see if our lifes are similar hahaha! Happy birthday to you too!

    NICK YOON – Yes, that’s a good point. I will bring printed copies! Thanks for the suggestion. It is the first time I go to a portfolios review and do not know how it works very well… that’s why I was asking for advices. I’m thinking of bringing a 20 photos portfolio with one or two good pictures from all my reports and series and bring apart the complete series so if somebody ask to see more of one serie, I can show it.

  • DAVID,
    Is it OK to send prints to you instead of publishing on the web? I mean for the application of the grant..
    The thing I think I’ll be working on won’t work that well for the web I think..

    Cheers

  • Rafal,
    thank you & keep up the good stuff…

    Lisa,
    :)))))))))))))))))))),

    Glenn,
    super thank you…

    Ignacio,
    great work,

    Akaky,
    great, eerie…

    Katharina,
    cant wait to see more of your work…

    David Bowen,
    yes WE ARE ALL GOING TO HELL..
    thank God !!! ;)))))))

    Lee and Gina,
    :)))))))))))))))))) ,
    being 40, wiser and happier and more motivated,
    and more clear – headed, more passion,
    more “PATHOS”, more love, intensity… more, more, more…

    NO APOLLO…. NO THINKING..
    ONLY DIONYSUS… JUST FEELING …

  • IGNACIO

    What a powerful experience that must have been, working alongside the Sea Sheperd..I would think some text about Operation Musashi (if that is what it is) at the beginning of the show would be helpful to most, as I think it may be a bit hard for many to discern right off the bat if these are whalers or conservationists.

    You have some stunning imagery..I love the water engulfing the porthole series, the ice skating penguins! (my favorite) and the woman seated, dirty knees, table aslant from the ocean movement..(I know that slant well..I used to do dolphin and whale research, some behavior/biology, but mostly communication research, my degree was in Linguistics/Biology..was in Hawaii and Alaska and the Keys..amazing memories, but never photographed except to identify humpback fluke patterns…are you somehow involved with conservation?)

    Thank you for sharing this work..and happy birthday.

  • Akaky:
    My favs are 4, 9 (what would it look like in color?) and 16.

    I like the way the heat refraction makes the background look like an impressionist watercolor in 1,3, and 10 (more pronounced in 10, but the person in it threw me out of the mood of the image).

    I took a shot at editing, for what it’s worth I came up with:
    1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 11, 12, 9, 15, 16, 18.

    Ignacio:
    Some beautiful imagery…such a wide variety of moods captured, the beauty of the light on the ice and water vs. the challenge of the mission and being at sea in difficult circumstances vs. the serenity of the open ocean…nicely done…thank you for sharing it.

    I’m curious as to what the flags/symbols (the skull&crossbones and others) on the side of the ship mean?

    Panos:
    2, 3, and 5…especially 2 and 3 for me.

    to all, good shooting…

  • ABELE

    yes, I recently learned of their project..it’s a huge undertaking, pretty amazing. Mine is small :) and all natural light (they have the ‘real’ studio set up, including the ‘love you baby’ light) but also their intent is “endeavoring to capture the diverse faces, fashions and attitudes the comprise this great city” and mine is more about the face of one neighborhood in the midst of changes, sort of looking at and listening to the ‘old school’ faction. hopefully my piece will have it’s own merit as I can’t ‘compete’ with their methods..the good thing about photography, and about NYC, is that there is enough space for everyone..I can’t wait to see their book.

    RAFAL

    thanks! I’ll keep writing updates as long as you are interested..off to shoot now, maybe something note worthy will happen today.

  • HELLO ALL…

    i am way way behind on comments…this is my first shot at an internet spot in Tuscany…i have no telephone or net connection at the workshop site, which is quite spectacular yet quite cut off from “outside communication”…so, i just wanted to give all of you a quick hello and will not really be back “on” until i arrive in New York on sunday…

    Lassal is very nice…..

    hugs, david

  • Andrew B,
    Thank you much..
    Good light to you ( and All ) , too…
    Peace..

    Btw,… Tonight I’m invited to a very,
    Rich, glamorous , MALIBU PARTY..
    ( 5 minutes from Venice…)
    Let’s see what happens..
    I promise I will share.. We need to take a
    Peek of how the rich and famous “doing it”…
    Peace

  • p.s.

    i just found out i may be back in this town with the net cafe and may actually be able to do a new post tomorrow…

  • CIAO DAVID!

    Lassal, nice..I BET SHE IS!

    Cowboy boots the right call?

    ok, really out now, good light..

  • DAVID, ALL

    I just uploaded finished “hometown” story and “cuba” pictures.

    I decided to use only digital pictures for my “hometown” story. I made some quite good photos on my mamiya and lomo camera, but I have decided that I will need this pictures to my next project. This digital essay is just more integrity.

    22 pictures:

    http://marcinluczkowski.com/hometown.html

    and some unseen cuba pictures:

    http://marcinluczkowski.com/cuba.html

    Critic like always well seen

    peace

  • Ignacio, that the mutts nuts.

  • marcin

    i like what you’re doing and it seems you are getting along well.. the hometown work is dizzying in a sense.. the movement and darkness makes it seem like a transient place.. a sense of foreboding and temporary darkness is what i was getting from it.

    i like the colours you caught in cube.. one thing i noticed on some of the cuba work was the blacks not quite being black on a couple of photos.. it may have been your intention and apologies if it was.. however some of the saturation of the colours may be getting lost, particularly in the case of the strong ornage evening light.
    really nice work to see.. thanks.

  • DAH

    the isolation must be a stark contrast from NY.. moving to norway it has probably taken me 6 months to ease into the more palatial charms of living here.

    hope all is going well.

  • DAVID B.

    Thanks.

    with this blacks it is because I choose screen setings for prints. more dark. I change this blaks but I don’t know, now on my screen it looks worst. It is also because laboratory gives me awful scans. I can do many things with this scans, it is bitmaps, but not everything. And slides are dark but ok.

    must run peace

  • Thanks everyone for your comments, and I would redo the gallery now, but LS is acting balky today and is refusing to let me do any kind of editing. I did the mono ones because I’m not really comfortable with color and, to be honest, I just prefer black and white. As soon as LS lets me, I will redo the lot in color and see how it looks. Thanks again, everybody! :-)

  • Marcin,
    just had a look through the hometown set, I like your gritty style brother, always have. no critique from me, I like what you are doing. I guess if I had to say anything critically it would be to see more. deeper in to the grit, the street. I like your street scapes a lot, I can relate, in many ways I see in a similar way. maybe because of my Czech roots, but born and raised close to the banks of the Clyde in Glasgow, Scotland, also a kind of dark and gloomy working class environment.
    good work brother, looking forward to seeing more.

    Erica,
    I hope you can make some sense of that tech tip. not really to sure how understandable that it is.
    anyway, if your not sure let me know, maybe we could talk on the phone. I actually am working today in the late afternoon, but my # is 1 213 623 7867.
    best wishes to everyone.

  • ERICA, ANA AND ALL FANS OF “LEAF BEATINGS”…

    Happy Birthday to all who are celebrating.

    ERICA, the Russian version of your eucalyptus “beating” is right there in New York at the world famous 10th Street Baths. It’s called the PLAITZA.

    http://www.russianturkishbaths.com/enter.html

    Platza Oak Leaf $35
    Lie down while in the Russian Room and a platza specialist will scrub you (actually beat you) with a broom made of fresh oak leaves, sopping with olive oil soap. The oak leaves contain a natural astringent, which will open your pours, remove toxins, and actually take off layers of dead skin. Some described the platza as “Jewish acupuncture”.

    Go check it out!

  • Akaky,
    I think #4 says you should bring on the color in your work!

    That said, there are some that I think are very strong in B&W…the one you called “on the pumper” (16?) comes to mind. That is my fav image besides 4…the monotone really suits it, I think….I also liked 11, 12, and 15 monotone…

    Anyway, it will be interesting to feel the difference the color brings to the monotone images.

  • Russian/Turkish Bath house on 10th!!!!ha, ha ha ;)))…….

    i know the daughter of the owner (or former owner, as i dont know if he still does/doesnt) of the Russian Bath house Cathy has linked to….she used to date Q-tip (unofficially) and Mr. Simmons (unofficially) back in the day when i knew her (’88-’90)….what a frickin’ strange world this life is, and the tissues of connectivity…..

    my web days are numbered….

    hugs
    running
    b

  • OMG This place is turning into a chat room…

    BOB whaddyamean your web days are #ed?

    CATHY sign me up for a seaweed salt scrub, pls,,

    Am in from shooting, back to scanning..supposed to be at a party, but am tired..not sure what to do.

  • this place never ceases to amaze me..

    PANOS.. i dig the E v W bit.. 2 3 7 12 13.. diggin’ it..

    MARCIN.. HOMETOWN… that’s digi?? nice work.. some i really love..

    ERICA.. kelly loves you.. :)

    BOB.. Pinkhassov is one of my heroes! this latest ‘news’ coverage is no exception..

    okay, i’ve been very busy shooting and editing “Thirst for Grit”.. I pray I don’t show this to death before it is ‘finished’.. whatever that means..

    the editing is non-stop.. here’s the latest:

    http://www.rosenfieldphotography.com/#a=0&at=0&mi=2&pt=1π=10000&s=0&p=0

    (if that link doesn’t work, it’s the first portfolio from my web-site: http://www.rosenfieldphotography.com )

    comments welcome..

    cheers all..

    lance

    ps – some/many photographers and artists don’t show anything at all until a project is ‘complete’.. what do you all think about this??? i think it’s an important question..

    i find myself hesitating to post this unfinished work.. but here, in the spirit of this forum, i have decided to share increments of my project.. is this wise????

  • yes… Damn.. LANCE..
    Great…Work..
    Thanks for sharing…
    Of course it is WISE..:))))

  • LANCE

    this is fantastic work. Some very strong images (#20 is great). Can you call me at the office tomorrow? I would like to show this to one of our editors (friend of mine) to get her thoughts and opinion. Not one of the editors you will meet in Perpignan. I just want to get her editing opinion. Let me know if that is cool. Then we can discuss it on the phone – it’s too hard to here. let me know….

    And to your question – I am a BIG believer is showing and sharing work – you need others thoughts and opinions. You are too close to this and it is too personal to you. It’s great that you share while you are still working and editing.

  • @bobblack: odd. I like the weirder Pinkhassov shots, these look like by somebody else. I was about to get one of his books but the amazon store said that they ran out (happened to me also with Daido Moriyama, Tom Wood and recently with Jeff Mermelstein). I think it’s a conspiracy to keep me away from good photography :o)

  • LANCE

    you’re on fire, brother..you really have been in it..I think in your case it is totally fine to show the progress; you have such a solid expanded base that any sentiments echoed back to you now will only help to affirm what you are feeling or make you fight harder for something or clarify questions you already have..K told me about the ‘clowns’ offering to put you inside the pen, yikes! (i love K too..i only wish we had more time to talk about her work..the connection is so easy, we slipped into conversation about everything else)

    ok, my hardcore feedback about specific images and presentation, all within the confines of understanding that this is fantastic work..
    Maybe it’s because I am another year older, but I can hardly read your intro. The graphic is cool, but difficult to see (image 2, these men…)
    I’m liking the inclusion of the night and the images that are made using different light sources..I don’t like the vertical dyptichs, the singles would hold the page and it is too much side by side info for my eyes..on my monitor 11 is flat and the blacks in 14 are breaking up..love the dizziness of 19..21 is powerful, 22 is just flat out gorgeous..24 feels a tad bit contrived to me, 29 is magical..

    and don’t let them put you on a bull unless it’s it’s a mechanical one at the bar! actually, if riding it isn’t beneath the guys, that’s a shot I’d like to see..so proud of you..

  • To all–

    I’m exhausted. Spent a really wonderful day with Patricia. I don’t know where to begin… She is really incredible, tons of energy, amazingly upbeat and fun and sweet and smart and brave, laid back, non-judgemental, curious, playful, thoughtful and on and on and on. Watching her work and interact with people on the street was delightful and it was so nice looking at photographs at MoMa with some one so absolutely excited to be looking at photography! I will soon post a few snapshots from the day.

    Patricia–

    Thank you so much for making my birthday so lovely! I’m so glad you made it to the city!!!

    sl

  • Pinkhassov/Solzhenitsyn:
    I wonder why all the shots are of the coffin, as we look, we become ever more curious of the people who came to mourn and honor the great man, we’d love to get closer, not to their pain, but to the very soul S. never abandonned thru his writings, the russian soul, the russian people. Speaking of the 10 shots M. loaded up on the site.

    Lance, I like best the shots closer to the action, and inside the ring.

    Yes, i think here’s a good place to chat around the projects people undertake. probably a good idea to work hard on the first edit oneself beforehand, so as to convey commitment rather than undecision.

    Spencer, your lines on Patricia…I am reminded of David (though I will leave the ladies here to decide on his capacity for sweetness).

  • LANCE,

    We are running in the same circles for sure. Seeing very similar situations no doubt but “recording” them quite differently…which is a good thing! I am interested in David’s comments on this new work of yours…I always gain a lot from his critiques of others.

    “Cowboys prayer with ass” :)) plus 14, 22 and 28 are clearly my favorites…harder to come by than the average bullrider shot and well done.

  • I think it’s a conspiracy to keep me away from good photography :o)
    —————

    Joni, maybe it’s amazon UK you speak about. They are available on the US adress. I ordered the 2 Mermelstein, a steal at 30$, shipping included.

    Incidentally, I do not know if it’s an effect of the blog, but david’s books are thrice more expensive than a year ago, used. Of course, it does not go in his pocket, so we still have to fill up his car tank (or replace his N.Y. bike tires) once in a while… ;-)

  • Lance,

    Love the work. I am confused about the girl and guy standing in what looks like underwear or bathing suit. What is that all about?

    Regarding your question of posting before you are finished with the work:

    I posted some work on the bachelor series that has almost nothing to do with my essay as it stands now. It seemed it was a pushing off point for me–your putting it out there is so you have no choice but to finish it.

    Update on my project–I finally had to take my tower in to the Mac store to have it repaired, still haven’t found the missing discs and the backup drive with the photo I need is in the freezer: literally.

    I will share just as soon as I can get hold of the missing files.

    It isn’t as scary for me anymore; it seems time takes care of that.

    Lee

  • SPENCER

    I adored being with you in the city to help celebrate your birthday! You made this feel like a celebration for me too–a celebration of friendship, people & life. We proved there is absolutely nothing about these blog friendships that is virtual! They are real as real can be.

    I truly did have a wonderful time meeting & photographing people on the streets of the East Village, on buses & ferries, in parks and in MoMa. NYC is a treasure trove of interesting faces & stores. One of my favorites was a woman named Saffire. To see her go to

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/101319331

    ERICA

    I’d love to meet you on Thursday about 5:30 p.m. in Soho or Greenwich Village! Give me a time & place and I’ll be there…

    Patricia

  • Patricia,

    I want ice cream for some reason. I see the freedom of your work in this photo.

    I can see you there in NYC and I am so glad you are having such a good time. There is probably a photo of you on the street, taken by unknown photographer, with your bubbles showing.

    Lee

  • Lance,
    I love to your work !! I think that it is very interesting for us all here to see your work in progress, and to see how little by little, your work tightens
    Thank you for the sharing,
    Kind regards, audrey

  • Bob and Joni,
    during my last journey in Paris, I bought to myself “Sightwalk” of Gueorgui Pinkhassov, the book is absolutely magnificent…

  • Lance

    damn good work!
    Still waiting my friend ;)

    Akaky

    Nice fire work!
    many just exellent!

    Panos

    You and Rafal delight my heart. Your works surprised me always. Do you have some indian’s pictures?
    keep yourself close DIONYSUS but far from HADES :)

    must running

  • DAVID:

    Quick question:

    I’m looking into panoramic camera options, especially the XPAN. Is there anything else I should be considering? Maybe something less expensive?

    Grazie mille!

    A più tardi,
    Charlie

  • Hey lance,

    Your question is one i’ve been pondering for the last couple weeks…I am not one to show work before I’m getting near the end, but i do love the spirit of this blog, and I frequently hold back despite that. I’m glad you shared though, which helps me answer my question a little. I love 11 and 14. I agree with Erica about the font being hard to read in the second frame (though I love the stylized look…I’d keep that feel…). I don’t know how your web site works, but can you have the verticals sit alone? agreeing with Erica again on that…

    my next question would be, what do YOU feel you need to be “done”?

    anna

  • Hi all-

    As I just wrote, I never show my work until it’s getting near finished, but I have to put this story on hold for a little bit, so I wanted to get feed back from all you lovely souls here. I always love seeing all of your work, thinking about your choices and edits, I thought it’s time I join in! It will be a multimedia piece with audio in the end, but for now….

    Here’s a link to the beginning of a piece I’m working on:

    http://www.annabarryjester.com/islandofwidows.html

    Criticism wanted and welcome!

    A little background on the story for anyone interested:

    I’ve been working on a project about a kidney failure epidemic amongst sugar cane workers in Nicaragua. It’s understood, though not acknowledged by plantation owners, that the kidney disease is a result of exposure to chemicals and bad working conditions. I’m focusing on a neighborhood near the plantation, and looking at the story through the lives of the widows. In a community of 216 households, 74 family heads are widows to chronic kidney failure. The statistics are similar in the rest of the region, and some 2800 people have died over the last 8 years. The issue is quite in depth, including world bank loans, ethanol production, worker abuse… I’m happy to provide more information if anyone’s interested….

    anna

  • Anna

    excellent work! Very sensitive, gentle… what can I say only more!

  • lance
    ‘finished work – whatever that is’..

    that hits the nail on the head for me.. if work is a staircase, small projects along the way are just steps.. work may never be finished until we drop.. maybe r. bathes wrote something about that..

    working on magazines, from shoot to ‘finished’ could be a little a 2 or 3 days.. and so why not show whats going on with longer projects as they go along?
    unless there is a reason – such as the subjects needing to see the finished article as a whole or the photos truly not making sence until they are complete i think it’s good to share progress.
    i too like your work.. getting into the center of things there and it’s too your credit that you’re not stepping back.

    anna

    the same message to you – thanks a great deal for sharing the evolution.. you have powerful work there concerning a subject which is important and, it seems, under-reported. it’s great that you are thinking multimedia as well..
    too many good images to single any out – the theme is developing and so just to say – great. love it and look forward to seeing more of the evolution.

    i’ve been loading more photos to my editing website for the ‘decade’ book..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/
    i think writing my worries, going fishing.. it’s all a good help for me and it cannot do any harm to share that here.. after all – this is not a site of clients, but a site of like minds open to the idea of nurturing each other on the way.

    i think there are probably 250 or so photos now.. i want to get to 500 before i begin editing properly.. so no real need for a crit as yet.. these are just random snaps along the editing road.

  • hey marcin..

    good one.. just looking at cuba agin.. the adjustments to the black worked out i think..
    superb..
    keep on
    :o)

  • Well, I often have the same dubt as LANCE. I have some reports that never showed around because there is a chance I can publish them in a magazine. So the question I always make to myself is if it can be seen before publication. Maybe the magazine won’t publish it if it is not an “exclusive”…. what do you think??

  • ERICA

    sure “this town IS big enough for the both of you” ;) Natural light is an interesting choice for on-location portraits, something I want to try too after having been face to face (literally) with the huge prints of Avedon’s “In the American West”.

    LANCE

    great essay! Number 3, 6, 13, 18, 21 and 25 are simply outstanding. But I also love the way you linked different images together as per the passage from #22 to #23, or between #16 and #17 (mouth as primary element).

  • ana
    i guess it depends upon the client magazine and teh content being offered.. it’s never been an issue for me to do what i like with photos, although the deadlines have often been so tight that it would not be possible to do much else before publication.. apart from a blog or something.

  • but… it is fair to show the pictures before publishing, even if it is just in my own web site or a blog? that is what I always ask myself.

    There are different situations:

    – When you work under a requested assignment. In that case I would always wait until is published in the magazine.

    – When you have a report and want to present it to a magazine where you think you have a big chance to get it published. Is in this case when I am not sure if they would like to know that you are showing that work in a web site or blog before….

  • JONI/LANCE/GLENN/AUDREY:

    :))
    re: Solzhenitsyn & Pinhassov…I too love the pics…actually, i think the last photograph is a particularly brave one…especially for those who have never been to russia or don’t understand the russian understanding/principle for photographing the dead, especially of a person of Solzhenitsyn’s stature and while he’s laying in state..it is a remarkably brave and powerful photograph (the final one)…I’m certain he’ll be critized for it as well (by pj’s/photographers and in russia), but this last photograph speaks to me, visually, not only about Pinkhassov’s person aesthetic/philosophy for documenting a moment, but has a great great visual reference to his work prior, to the work of Tarkovsky (his mentor) and to the work of solzhenitsyn’s…those familiar with the novels (more so than Gulag Ach.) like day in the life of..and cancer ward will see the fog of history and the fog of russian history that claims so much of what he’s written…even solzhenitsyn’s life from exile, was a difficult one…this pic speaks volumes to me…i’m also certain he shoot around the building as well as the people who’d attended, but those pics were just what Magnum gave us..dont be suprise if at some point we see the rest of his “coverage”..and yes “sightwalk” for me IS ONE OF THE SEMINAL books of photography, bar none! :)))))

    i cant wait to see the rest of his work on solzhenitsyn’s funeral…

    b

  • LANCE! :))))

    ok, this will be very short ’cause i’ve just looked at the essay, and im using a computer at school, and the monitor here is small and sucks…i’ll write you more thoroughly tonight via email when i get home…so, some very quick thoughts…

    I LOVE THE ESSAY! What i love about it is that is contains the stretch and diversity of what photographic essays should contain. first, lots of the photographs are just flat out fantastic. Too many to list here, though while there are definitely others that are more powerful, the majority are just filled with such such visual ques and stories and motifs and many of the moments are just great. I also love the sequencing. I love how a visual element in one pic carries over to another: praying, or pain or pursing the lips open or shadow on a face, the same visual element even though the 2 pictures are of a different time, moment, context…this is wonderful visual editing and shows me that the story is keener, or you are keener than just putting together pictures…motifs are important, not only narrative motifs, but visual elements, and this story contains those, sometimes obviously, sometimes subtlely…i also love all the non-sequitors, the humour, the oddity, the weird juxtapositions…it’s great and important. humour is so hard, but what is important in a story like this is that it’s balance with passion of the cowboys, the long, boring nature of the quotidan, the exciting and the stupidly weird (humour)…you got all those there :)))…and lastly, the over all arch of the story is just grand and cant wait to see how you finish this (what new pics or what new edit)…like a mccormac book, the truth is that it’s a hard-won sad loneliness out there and for me that’s the bite of this story…not the “heroic” nature of true grit, but that most of us struggle daily to live simple good lives, filled with all the grit and dust and pain and blood and humour of the loneliness of all things…that’s the story for me here and that is that each of us face life with true grit…

    now, quickly, some things to ponder: i also had problem with the 2nd frame…i love the design, but the red freaked me out and i had trouble reading it too..im 42, so maybe that’s it, but i just wanted to get the hell away from it…i love the font and map, but somehow the text killed me…

    same too with the vertical diptychs…i never like them either (when they are side by side) cause it’s so much visual stuff for my eye to take, that i feel im not getting all of it…for example, if you think about Harveys use of Vetical’s in Divided Soul:” all the visual space on the page…just a thought, but maybe the verticals can be used like that: to slow down, quiet, the narration of the horizontals…make sense?…

    i got lots more to write, but i’ll save it for tonight…

    very very proud of you and happy for you…

    hugs
    running
    bob

  • ANNA :)))

    ditto, loved love the pics..particularly love the pic of the pig, the butterfly, the children sleeping and pics with child/mom…i think the airplane shot need to be somewhere else…why not the first shot??…or the last shot??…it doesnt make sense (to me) visually in this sequence…also, i saw the pics and than re-read your description about the kidney failure…i never got that as part of this story…so, maybe if the story is about that, i’d like to see something related to that (more pics with regard to pesticides, or pics with medical treatment/hospital, etc)…it appears partyl buccolic and partly profoundly sad story, as if out of Marquez tale, which is what caught me…really, some brilliant and gorgeous pics…(the pig and the butterfly just kill me in light of the pic with the mom holding her child)…so, that’s what i wanted to see as a viewer since you said it was about this profound problem….

    funny, after i looked, i thought: this is a great story about the difference between adults’ belief in child innocence (butterfly) and the truth of child imagination/life (pig)…great great imagery…so now that it contains this other editorial element (the illness story) let me see how that is related to the kids….

    anyway, great great work, cant wait to see the final…:)))

    hugs
    bob

  • ALL

    I can’t log in to Lightstalkers..anyone else having problems logging in today?

    ANNA BARRY J

    Sir Bob has said very well what I feel..the only thing U thought to add at the moment is that the name ‘island of widows’ set me up to get some visuals of water / coastline, not that you need it, but just a thought.

    I worry a little for you with YOUR nearness to toxins (you did that balloon story as well)..are you being cautious about your exposure? I understand the people you care about may not have the same luxury, but you can’t serve others if you get sick.. xo

    PATRICIA

    Here at 5:45? http://www.esquinanyc.com/
    Whoever is there first can put our name in for a table..if I don’t see a note from you here I will call you..

    Corner of Kenmare and Cleveland Place (it’s about 2 blocks east of B’way and 1 block south of Spring Street)

    Anyone else..feel free to join us..and Patricia of course your friend is welcome.

  • OOPs, means I not U

    and table – outside please, so nice on a good night

  • ERICA

    Sounds & looks great! And outside is best because of accessibility. See you there at 5:45!

    Patricia

  • @herve: yes, the two mermelsteins for $30 is definitively an absolute bargain! My issues were with these shops affiliated to amazon uk…

    @audrey: grmpgh. Did you get the Jeffrey Silverthorne book already?

  • Joni, yes, I received the book very quickly and I love my dedication !! thank’s !!

  • BOB and ERICA,
    I can see what you mean about the name being confusing. It’s called the Island of widows because the name of the neighborhood is the Island, as it is surrounded on all sides by the sugar plantation. There is so much of the “story” that’s left out right now…thank you for your comments, they are indeed helpful as I chug along…

    ANA

    I wonder the same thing…I understand the general rules, but with blogs now these days, I don’t know where that falls in terms of work being “new and unpublished”. That might be a good question for David!

  • Hey Patricia – remind me or your cell number again, and what neighborhood / suburb do you live in?

  • Anna BJ, I guess that is the risk in presenting work early, we may find ourselves pleading that “it’s not complete yet..I still have to….”. I am sure when the story is essayed and edited, compacted, the word island may fit better than now.

    Likewise, as with so many essays (whose pictures don’t always speak for themselves), I hope to see text and captions later on.

    At this point, the pictures are a loose bunch concerning the very specifics of the subject. Certainly, we all would love for David to barge in and lend his educated eye on your project, as photography goes.

  • erica,

    I couldn’t log into LS either, figured I’d forgotten my password (again)…so I reset it. That worked, but then I wasn’t verified (can’t post). did the email verification thing, got the email and clicked and it said account verified, but still can’t post…looks like it’s acting up again today….

    Did you get my email?

  • The Pinkhassov pictures remind me of pictures and drawings I’ve seen of Dostoevsky on his deathbed.

  • ANDREW B

    exactly my LS scenario..thank you

    OHHHH I am so behind suddenly, my goal was to get your package sent today, but I am not sure I will make it. P.O. lines here are nothing to sneeze at..I promise to do it before I take off..right now every daylight minute counts..scanning furiously to see where i am before I shoot again tomorrow, (just realized as soon as school is in session Sept. 2 I won’t be able to shoot in my spot and will probably have to wrap up the project, its at a schoolyard, so am feeling pressed as I am away from the city 2 more times in August) and have to get to the city to buy film/ drop off film and :) meet Patricia..I’ll let you know as soon as I send it out! apologies

  • GINA.. thank you thank you!!! :)

    PANOS.. here we are ‘you and me’.. yes all vulnerabilities welcome in this house.

    MARCIN.. oh man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kelly pointed out that i have about eight ‘piles’ going on at my desk.. your prints are here!

    ERICA.. wonderful feedback.. you pointed out things that are obvious to me now that you mention them… working working on it! :) last weekend we talked about me getting on a real bull.. i said, maybe just one of those little trainer bulls.. and their response: “It’s better if you just get on a big ol’ behemoth because when he knocks you off he’ll send you flyin’.. where a little bull you’ll just fall off and he might stomp on you.” makes sense to me. ???

    HERVE… thanks.. so last weekend i got ‘in the ring’ and almost got my head taken off.. when those bulls get you in their sights, you better make a plan QUICK.

    CATHY.. yes, we are working on projects that have ‘been done’ a million times.. and been done very well i might add.. although i can’t lose sight of this, i try not to think about it. instead i think about ‘what do I NEED to show?’ this is part of David’s message. BUT, it still has to be done WELL! Also, every-time i see “Cowboy prayer with ass” i LAUGH.. i took a series of those shooting from the hip.. it would have been rude of me to kneel down and look through the viewfinder during prayer. :)

    AUDREY.. just like a workshop.. this is fun.. thank you. :)

    SEAN.. wrote you on facebook.. i dig the new Olympics work.. that FLASH – “Look HERE dammit!” :)

    AMBJ.. good question.. really i feel this project as something i can keep coming back to until, perhaps if i’m lucky enough, there can be enough material for a book. i feel like i owe it to these guys. this web-site stuff doesn’t lend itself to book-length projects.. SO, it’s a balance.. also, I’m capturing a fair bit of audio and at some point i’ll make a multi-media piece.. i have more writing and notes taking up space around here.. lots to do still..

    AMBJ.. you have some incredible shots in there.. the moth i just could not take my eyes off of.. for the story though… having looked at the pictures first and then the text second, i had no clue that it was related to kidney failure.. the plane yes now it makes sense.. when will you go back? it’s a wonderful wonderful project i hope you will continue! gorgeous pics..

    D BOWEN.. yes yes… getting close.. it takes TIME.. and i love the lessons i learn along the way. i can’t help but appreciate all that this project is teaching me, looking forward to future endeavors.

    ABELE.. yes, this visual ‘flow’ is something i’ve learned from DAVID and also our friend Ben Krain.. when i see it, i use it… i love the way it works.

    RUNNING BOB.. yes, you have picked up on this ‘bite’ of the story from the very beginning.. i naturally see things darkly and lonely… it’s my nature to see this way. one reason this project has been a natural fit for me.. although i would have never guessed i’d be shooting ‘rodeo’ a couple of years ago.. little did i know.. still more work to be done and your words ring clearly throughout this project..

  • ABELE AND ALL.. speaking of ‘visual flow’ or just common elements as links for sequencing .. please look at Scott Strazzante’s “Common Ground” on MediaStorm.. incredible..

    http://www.mediastorm.org/0023.htm

  • ana

    the circumstances vary, although i have always kept a strong eye on ethics.

    if it’s my pitch i have often sold the similar stories to multiple magazines – each magazine knew about the other and they all got exclusive photos.

    if i am commissioned it only goes to that magazine and after the event i have often tried to throw the photos around free press and blogs to try to help the people concerned in the story.

    the main thing i have always done is
    be honest with everyone and keep talking to make things clear
    always deliver what i have promised.

    it is amazing how many photographers fall down on these basic hurdles.

    in my experience magazines want someone who;
    a knows their stuff, photographically and concerning the story
    b delivers on time edited and easy to drop-in work (print ready)
    c doesn’t bullshit… make excuses.. or betray agreements

    thinking now – most commissions / sold pieces have varied in the way they have worked.. no two have been identical, either iin gaining the funding / commission or in the selling / publishing of the work.
    i’ve always asked questions, clarified points and tried to never feel stupid for asking what may seem to be obvious questions.. worked for me :o)

    i really do see this blog as the exception though.. and happily will post work here as and when i can.

    interesting chat ..

  • DAVID McG

    I stayed extra days in NY. Am still here actually . Won’t be home until Saturday night, so I’m afraid I’ll be crashing on Sunday. A 700 mile drive alone can be rather wearing! Sorry I wont be able to join you this time…

    Patricia

  • >http://www.lost.art.br/antarcticamonamour.htm

    Thank you Spencer, David Bowen, Katharina, Ana, Panos, Harry, and everyone who commented, here and in private.

    HERVE

    >I truly love the last picture, shot at midnight or something?

    Daytime, stormy sky and some sun coming through the clouds.

    ERICA

    Thank you for the astrology link, a fascinating read.

    >I would think some text about Operation Musashi (if that is what it is) at the beginning of the show would be helpful to most, as I think it may be a bit hard for many to discern right off the bat if these are whalers or conservationists.

    You are correct. The photos are from Sea Shepherd’s first time in Antarctica. Musashi is their next campaign, 2008-2009.

    >are you somehow involved with conservation?

    I would like to be more involved. I’ve only photographed Sea Shepherd’s first antarctica campaign, another against seal hunting in Canada, and some work involving sea turtles here in Brazil.

    ANDREW B
    
>I’m curious as to what the flags/symbols (the skull&crossbones and others) on the side of the ship mean?

    http://www.lost.art.br/antarctica_mon_amour_07.htm

    The flags are ships Sea Shepherd has sunk, disabled, or otherwise stopped from illegal whaling. The most notorious is the Sierra, sunk after being rammed repeatedly in 1979 in Porto, Portugal. Paul Watson’s book Ocean Warrior (ISBN 1-904132-25-1) tells this story in detail.

    related article in New Yorker: http://tinyurl.com/6q2vfm

    now trying to catch up on the dozens of links posted…

    cheers, ig

  • LANCE

    I knew about Strazzante’s work: the rethoric of contrast perfectly suits his work since he is dealing with “how it was” and “how it is” and he built the visual flow around this concept. In your case the choice is more subtle and it adds a lot, in terms of style, to the whole story which is focused on the many aspects of “how it is”.

  • ignaico..
    thanks for looking at my blog and leaving a comment..
    nice one.
    :o)

  • DAVID BOWEN,

    I agree with you and that is how I act. When a magazine gives me an assignment, they are the first to have it and see it. That’s for sure.

    Lately I have been doing some personal reports and published some pictures in different magazines and newspaper more or less at the same time, but they requested the pictures after I took them.

    But I have some finished personal projects that can be published in magazines as a complete report. Till now, non of those projects have seen “the light”, even in my web site or blog because I thought that showing them around was a way to reduce its originality or exclusivity. But, in the other hand and because I’m a very insecure person, I would love to share them and get other’s opinion…. And…. at the same time, it is very interesting to have all my projects available on my site so people interested can see what I do… But will a magazine be interested in publishing a report that everybody can see in a website?

  • ANA:

    > But will a magazine be interested in publishing a report that everybody can see in a website?

    I think it may even work the other way. I published some work in after showing a preview/slideshow on my website.

    In this case, I published a six page story (photos and text) afer this was online for a little while:

    http://www.lost.art.br/zezao_slideshow.htm

    I understand a magazine would not be pleased to find assigned work online before publication though.

    cheers,

    ig

  • ana

    i agree with ig..
    it could be a great marketing tool – perhaps if the work was password protected, the client would feel better?

    i tend to keep a client up to date with everything i am doing as i am going along.. editors would get a weekly phone-call, or every couple of weeks, where i would tell them whats going on.. whats worth coverage and whether i will be able to organize all the elements myself… it would sometimes need them to offer formal accreditation, particularly if i was trying to blag some money out of a tourist board for flights or hotel.

    there is nothing more satisfying than selling a piece which you have conceived, planned, found funding and shot entirely by yourself, is there?
    many congrats.. more of that for all of us i hope.

    unless it all goes horribly wrong, of course.. (here is a ‘boring story’)
    * cue L.a. *
    the festival was pulled by paranoid police while i was on the plane to cover it.. then the magazine pulled out..
    consisted of 40 hours spent scrambling around L.a. to various random house parties and eventually ‘spundee’ at circus, i think..
    writing and photographing a story about the ‘anti rave’ laws and then trying to sell it on return to the u.k… to a magazine for peanuts in order to justify the trip to funding bodies and keep the P.R’s sweet.. hmm..
    i remember sitting having steak and eggs at a breakfast bar on venice beech.. head in hands.. pen on a blank piece of paper.. hung-over.. blahblahblah..
    sold 2000 words and three pages to a u.k. magazine for 400usd a week later.. :o)

  • IGNACIO, that’s very interesting (your report and the fact that your work was on line before published). And it is true, as DAVID BOWEN points, it can be a great marketing tool. The potencial client (magazine) sees your work, how it looks like all edited and together and then is interested in publishing. It may work. But I don’t know why I’m still a bit skeptical or afraid to show those reports. And probably I’m wrong and I’m lossing oportunities acting like this. Maybe I should try sohwing some, but not all. Like kepping one card in my pocket ;-)
    By the way, I’m preparing some series for portfolios reviews. For sure I will show them then! :-D

  • brilliant ana.. postive.

    i once was told by a national newspaper ed in the uk to not be shy about pushing stories to them – they take everything with the same weight whether it be a pitch from magnum or a pitch from XXXXX.. a good pieve of work is a good piece of work.

    go for it in the way you are most comfortable with.. different strokes and all..

    main thing is to go for it.. as there is a market for everything :o)

  • Thanks for the encouragement, David :-) I’m definitely working on it, spending hours in the computer preparing and editing. Really hard work as I dubt in every single picture, specialy because some really work in b&w and some others in color and I think I should keep unity on that…. anyway, thanks for your words. Will go for it!!

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