driving….

Mike_and_jeep

Mike waiting for me to finish this post..the boy wants to hit the road!!!!!!

 

i must check out of my Iowa motel right now….heading for Chicago or somewhere near Chicago…i was reading comments, looking at links and made the comment below….i decided this might make a good post , so here it is:

HELLO ALL….VERY IMPORTANT!!!

do any of you ever go look at the links posted by forum readers under "student work/workshops"??? 

there are a lot of photographers here who never write, but who do
have some very interesting work…right now there are about 175
links…please check them out…

for those of you who have posted links, please be assured that I DO
LOOK….it is from this "pool" of work, as well as photographers on
assignment here, that i am looking for photographers to fund with the
Emerging Photographer Fund this fall….

my only problem with some of your links posted is that there is no
contact information for some of you…i cannot review the work of all
of you, but when i see someone with very interesting work, i would like
to make contact…

maybe what i should do is look at all links and then post the names
of photographers with whom i would either like to see more or make
contact…make sense??? just as an example, i randomly clicked on the
link of Sofia Quintas and saw some Polaroids of hers that were very
very interesting and nothing like the work she had submitted for the
EPF last fall..but, i have no way to contact her…

yes, yes, i am very busy shooting…and i hope all of you are as
well..but, i do pay attention to what is happening here … because i
am doing my own work it does mean there are "lapses" in my posting
here, but this forum has taken on a life of its own, and i do not
intend to let it slide away…..

only a very small percentage of what is going on in my head ends up
in print on this forum, but do not for a nanosecond think that i am not
aware of your work…

I KNOW WHO IS DOING WHAT…but, if you think i have missed something of yours , please tell me so….

i cannot review every link nor edit all of you…but, i will see
your work and remember your work and "bookmark" your work.. i want to
make sure that all of the best will have a very fair and equal chance
at being considered for my jury this fall…

in the next month or so i want to have a very clear head about all
of the amazing work that is being produced by readers of this
forum…there is a lot going on and it is sometimes difficult for all
of us to keep up..but, i intend to keep up….and i will…

right now, i am waiting for assignments to be finished from
Bob,Cristina, Marcin, Erica, Jonathan, Kyunghee Lee, Audrey,Panos,
Sébastian, Eric, David M, and Patricia… as far as i know, i think
only James is finished…this is right off the top of my head, so
please correct me if i am wrong or have missed someone who is shooting
right now on assignment…

i will clear a space under Emerging Photographers on this site to
publish your essays when they are complete…and , of course, i am
ready to make new assignments when appropriate…

it is basically from these assignments that the EPF jury will choose
photographers for funding this fall….a photographer who posts a link
under "student work/workshops" will also be totally eligible, but
naturally photographers who are developing here before my "eyes" are
just going to have a better chance i think…

please do not think of this EPF as a contest….a contest is a one time award for a good picture or essay..goodbye…

do you not think i am still tracking very carefully the China essay of Sean Gallagher, last year’s recipient of the EPF???

our forum and EPF is about LONG TERM development and
RELATIONSHIP…think of this more like a relationship with a
traditional print magazine where photographers present their work and
editors decide "who will do what" based on the work and the editor’s
judgment on who is capable of completing any particular
essay…subjective yes, but it will all happen right in front of you as
it has in the past..

yes, we are traveling together into totally new territory…the "old
territories" are either gone or going away….fast…so, what have we
got to lose??? nothing that i can see…

your ideas, thoughts and most importantly YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS have a
place right here…A HOME….there are no "bosses"…this is just me
driving down the highway, taking my own pictures , looking at yours,
and having a jolly good time doing both….

peace, david

p.s. i am still reading and responding to  comments under the previous post "how the west was won"

452 Responses to “driving….”


  • GOD DAMNED, that’s out of No Country for Old Men :)))))

    at some point, i wanna do a road trip with Michael too :)))

    ok, running….

    let comments on last post..

    hugs, drive carefully…

    love from marina

    running
    bob

  • safe travels to chicago!

    is there any opportunity to get a drink or a coffee or some such? would you be meeting up with other readers at some point?

    figure it’s short notice and i haven’t fed into any discussions brought up here yet, but figured i’d ask since you were heading into my neck of the woods and it would be great to meet you.

    Andres.

  • Have a nice trip David and Mike! Looking forward to your new photos!

    David, it’s always nice to read your comments and enthusiasm on other projects! I’m also working on my own project now in South Africa facing different challenges and enjoying a new environment… let me tell you that all the different conversations on this site help significantly!

    All the best

    beatrix

  • DAH..

    safe drives.

    i clearly need to begin posting work i am currently shooting in the forum to be in with a chance of the EPF.. although the work i am currently shooting would not be the work i would like to be considered – since my on-going, long-term work is a little diffrent..

    and so the question – before the fall selection, will there be a chance to propose our EPF project for consideration?

    unsure of how it will work is all..

    muchas thanks

    david

  • once you mentioned the forum links it reminded me that it was one of the previous posts where i dicovered the work of Laura El Tantawy and obviouslty visited her site(you asked me about that in your reply to my comment on the self portraits project).
    Should check some of those 175 links,i bet there some hidden treasure among them.

    kudos to you for findind the time to look and review such amount of work.

    Have a great trip!

  • Thank you all for your comments on the multimedia piece (DAVID McGOWAN, YOUNG TOM, BOB B, ERIC, HERVE, DAVID BOWEN, ERICA – cheers). I’m glad it’s connecting with swimmers and non-swimmers alike. My real hope is that it does connect emotionally beyond the world of competitive swimming.

    BOB – I love that it resonated with you (I’m not sure I knew that you were a competitive swimmer). I LOVE/ ADORE/ can’t say enough about Narelle Autio’s work. It is almost hang-up-the camera-depressing because I feel that she’s captured it and I’m not sure I can do any more. I’d cover my walls with the underwaters from “Watercolours” if I could.

    DAVID B – I still cringe at the cold water like a slap in the face. I have a real love-hate relationship with swimming (laps) to this day, but I have always loved being in the water.

    Before I made any of my own comments, I wanted to put the piece up for feedback and hear other people’s impressions. I really put this out there as a draft and I think the piece and the project are still in development. I am not finished shooting, but I’ve hit a plateau and have been feeling stuck photographically and a feeling a little in limbo with the theme and where to take it. My thought was to set it aside for a while and then look with fresh eyes, but I wanted to produce something first.

    This was my also my first attempt at full MM so I also put it out there as as a draft to get help. I was lucky enough to get some excellent feedback from Brian Storm which I’m going to incorporate soon. I’ll write a different comment on the production of the piece and the feedback I receive since a few people asked and it might be valuable to others here. Thanks again everyone for your comments.

    DAVID – Enjoy the road and your families.

  • @Kelly: cool that somebody mentions Narelle Autio. Her stuff is very fresh and natural not only in colours but composition as well. The photographs she has in in-public are good.

    @David: I’m sure that Audrey will give you a hard time (in a good way) with her photos. She gave me a (good) hard time with my French ;-)

  • ERICA – This was my first MM attempt and I didn’t have a lot of help. I have a brother that does music production that answered questions when I got stuck, but I mostly I relied on the “Help” in the software tools I was using and a lot of bumbling around. I used a sound editing program for the audio track and a video editing program to combine the stills and video clips. I don’t have/ wasn’t up for buying Final Cut Pro yet, so I used what Apple gave me (Garage Band and iMovie HD 6).

    A few gems from Brian Storm’s feedback:
    Positives – It’s nice, well done, has all the elements. Good natural sound. Nice first video.
    Improve – Connect the voice with the person to make it more personal. This can be done with timing and with text introduction of people in some cases. Work on the audio mix; drop the music in some places. The font and speed makes the text hard to read. Cut the narrative as tight as possible – work off a transcript to edit and cut redundancies. Accentuate the apex of the piece at the word “failing” with the right image.

    He had a lot more, but those I thought might be useful to other people. Also, we talked about music and usage rights. We should all try to only use music if we have permission/ right to do so. Moby actually allows use of some of his music for non-commercial and non-profit purposes. Check it out – http://www.mobygratis.com. So the message was either take audio, make your own music, or get the rights/ permission to use someone else’s. SORRY so long.

  • media storm.. nice one kelly.

    sounds like you are well on top of how to move forward, ven if right now that might mean being still for a while.
    looking at the perspectives which you have photographed from.. the interviews which you have made.. i guess you know in yourself the progression from here… a pause always does good i think.

    what i found really refreshing was the subject.. swimming.. i love it.
    interesting, fun, irreverent.. it had nothing to do with pensive, serious, tough living or soul-searching as many photographers choose to cut their teeth.

    that is not intended as a disrespect of people who shoot more serious subjects.. in fact i have done a lot of serious work myself..
    just to say that it was really refreshing to see work which is about a passion for something.. your passion (photography) explaining someone else’s passion (swimming).

    thought provoking in a completely different way and including some really quality moments, with both moving and still images.

    one thing.. i think your site, along with erica’s, is made using a template.. is that right?
    i am wondering what program it is, since i have seen a number of sites formatted the same.. just ogt my head around slideshowpro, and i don’t think it’s that..

    ? hmm ?

  • My site (and Erica’s and quite a few others here) is a NeonSky site – http://www.neonsky.com/ They are good to work with, make it easy to edit your own site, and have many options. Livebooks is good also – they did David’s main EPF site.

  • David Alan Harvey

    ANDRES

    welcome to my first iPhone post! maybe
    we can meet…I will pick up film tmrrw Chicago thanks to David M…stay tuned…

    cheers, david

  • DAH

    What a great picture of the waiting! So real, but even more amusing that the waiting continued while you made the image..sorry Mike, I feel your pain, half of my childhood was spent waiting in a car for my mom (single mother with multiple businesses, always 1 last thing to finish up)..

    iPhone, eh? the new one?

    KELLY

    I’ll email you..I have more questions.

    DAVID B

    Sorry, I think you may have asked this before and I forgot, yes, it’s neonsky, and they offer loads of support.

    HERVE / ALL

    RE: assignment challenges/working method..to answer Herve’s question in the last post..

    Firstly, DAH and I agreed that some assignments take more time, and mine fell into that category. I knew I wouldn’t be able to begin until after LOOK, and I think I must have made the first images around June 24, after I organized everything, so I am now at around 5 weeks, maybe half way through?

    Things I did to get ready..

    researched and bought a 4×5 camera, learned to use it, figured out the what was the rest of the needed equipment (portable backdrop, clamps, tripod, folding seat, step stools, reflector, changing bad, granny cart for transport, log book, model releases) and bought it (this part was hard, trying to visualize without experience), put out the call for help and weeded through people to find amazing help, spent time talking with NYC film office and asked a lot of questions and established a friend/contact in the office so that my permit to set up ‘studio’ on the street would be approved, stood around a lot in my spot where I wanted to shoot and watched the quality of light in the area at different hours, talked the idea over with Brian Storm..

    once shooting

    realized I needed a sturdier backdrop, bought a different chair without a back, changed film type, found out my close-up adapter doesn’t adjust for parallax in the view finder as it does on the film (messed up images), dealt / dealing with with RAIN RAIN RAIN, and people too HOT to participate and parents with cute kids who want to be photographed and talkative curious on-lookers..

    ongoing / upcoming

    coordinating schedules with people available to help, scanning from here to oblivion, rationalizing the incurred credit card debt, and will have to get a handle on MM which is not my cup of tea at all..

    okay, that’s enough for now!!

    DAH

    Hoping to show you stills for the end of August meet, but is there a cut off date for having something done to put on your site under Emerging Photographers? Do you have a preference to show just the stills or the MM piece?

  • I think those floor lamps are in every hotel room anywhere ever

  • ALL

    I can’t write all that and not say

    .. i am loving nearly every minute of of this, i have met some of the most fantastic people, including/ especially those who have volunteered to help, it is so rewarding to see something build and form and grow on it’s own, part of which was hoped for and part which never could be pre-visualized, and to have DAH and many of you waiting and caring about the result of something I am doing solely because it is ‘of me’, is more than expected..

    DAH

    if you are logged in you can send Sofia Q a PM thru LS through the link:

    http://www.lightstalkers.org/sofia_quintas

  • HI David & all,

    For the last two months or so i’ve been off line and out of touch.
    I’ve been moving from a temporary ‘home’ to a more ‘fixed address’ which being in the ‘bush’ has meant getting internet has been a tad tricky. I’ve also been getting my kids settled into a new school and dealing with many other things. My photography has been forced a little into the background, although I always try and shoot diary stuff.

    Anyway, i’m back on-line now and i’ve been reading over some of the previous posts here. Amazing stuff and so much of it…

    Time does not stand still not here, nor outside my window. I think when I last wrote here it was late summer (Australia) now it’s mid winter, blue gray early morning light, yellow Wattles in bloom and damp red earth…

    I promised last time to get some work on-line to show myself…

    Well, reading this post i thought, okay, even though I’ve only a small sample on-line and there is certain work I’d love you to look at, i guess i should just jump in and get things rolling.

    I’ll post on the ‘student work’ list too but (hope you don’t mind) i’m gonna put my links here also.

    on my web-site i’ve put a Portfolio that has a mix of work from my personal project as well as commissions.

    http://www.samharris.phanfare.com

    and i’ve just started a blog with a handful of more recent images
    http://samharrisphoto.blogspot.com

    and a self portrait…
    http://albums.phanfare.com/4955643/2187337#imageID=33503731

    all the best
    and thanks for a great inspiration in all your doing

    sam

    p.s. my e-mail is: samharris.photo@gmail.com

  • erica and kelly..
    stars.. thanks for the tip off..

  • 4 the love of jesu, sam..
    that must be the only self portrait based around pain.
    i felt that.

  • Thanks Erica for the follow up. Daunting prep work, especially the techie stuff….

    The words EPF are starting to creep back…

    How is it going to work this year David, will you set us all in the wilderness shooting our own whatever stuff like last year, or will you guide us towards a more specific topic, one where location matters little (since we all live on different continents)?

    About the links, i did that once, but when someone finds one he likes, for whatever reason, share it with us, please. It would be cool if that section reverberates sometimes into the general road trip forum, here.

    David, BTW, how do you remember who’s who and shooting what, with almost 200 links so far?

    PANOS!

    how are you doing, it’s been a while. let us know, please…

  • AKAKY

    Oh, oh, my man, 50 big ones! Don’t know if congratulations or consolations are more in order. In my case, 50 really was the big, the crucial, the ineluctable Rubicon, the crashing end to my outrageously, probably unforgivably, prolonged and delightful and carefree youth. Here’s what happened to me within a month of my 50th birthday:
    • I gave up a cushy and overpaid tenured college teaching position at a Japanese women’s college full of cute and generally well-behaved girls
    • I gave up my reasonably cheap rented house, where I had lived for 12 years, in the center of one of the world’s most attractive and livable cities (and where housing is very hard to find)
    • I left the country, the circle of friends, the nearby hiking trails, the language, and the culture I had been immersed in for nearly 20 years
    • I moved to place that even though it was the land of my citizenship felt like a foreign country; where people had rude and uncivilized manners and dressed like bums and whores, where it rains every day for 7 to 8 months a year, where jobs are hard to come by, where there isn’t a decent restaurant within 30 miles, where they roll up the sidewalks at 8 PM on weekdays and all day Sunday
    • I married a woman whose baggage included a delinquent teenage daughter and three totally undisciplined and spoiled lap dogs, and a house and an enormous yard that required constant and unrelenting physical drudgery to maintain
    • I organized and paid for a lavish wedding party weekend that led to serious altercations and ruptures with respective family members on both sides
    • Within weeks it was clear the marriage had been a terrible mistake that would end in acrimonious separation
    • My savings were dried up saving her house from foreclosure
    • There was an almost immediate deterioration in my previously robust physical condition (I had in the previous year been a mountain climber, sea kayaker, and paraglider)… I could literally feel my body shrinking and getting weaker
    • I was overcome with a sense of failure, hopelessness, and depression that lasted for years and still recurs chronically

    I could go on, but I think you catch the drift. My advice? Don’t ever turn 50! Or if you must, then resist any and all major changes in your life and surroundings!

    Beseechingly,

  • Hi David,

    You can contact me at sofia_quintas00@yahoo.com

    Glad you look at my work! Looking forward for your feedback.

    I’ve been really busy latelly with two projects that are stil being done/editing at the same time. The Flickr link is not updated as I like it to be and I hope I can do it in the next weeks. Stay tunned and tell me what you think about it. I followed your Perpignan’s advice and been doing bullfights for a year now ;)

    I was in New York in June and sent you an e-mail so that we could meet there, but I guess you where out doing you’re project. I never got an answer from you. I don’t know if I have the correct mail.

    Erica thanks for helping with my contact.

    Sofia

  • KELLY :))))

    yes, more to write you, but i’ll try to send an email during the week…im so happy you know/like Narelle’s work…when Tamara was here to visit, we chatted about her…everyone knows Trent’s brilliance and im so happy you (others) know her magisterial dreams too :))))…

    ERICA: :))…i tried to post the same info on the last thread, only to get hammered, but, that’s all that matters, the process and the discovery…

    running away, until august…

    hugs
    b

  • SIDNEY – commiserations mate ,I think that I managed to make a few of the same mistakes you made, but before I was 30.
    So I guess this means I have something to look foreward to, I really really can’t wait to be a curmudgeon but I have to get throughmy 30’s and 40’s, a couple more decades…..Lucky You and Akaky can grumble gripe and groan with impunity.

  • DAH – i have been wanting/meaning to comment on your blog for some time – but feel like i am “crashing” a family reunion. i love and admire what you are doing here – creating this online photo family. i have no new work to post – my mexico project has been on the back burner since LOOK3 has taken over my life. however, i plan to use your site and EPF to review work for LOOK3 2009. i have seen a lot of amazing work on this site and will definitely be reaching out to photographers. i hope to be a regular on your site now. safe travels on the road…. hello to Mike… see you in perpignan. xo gina

  • ERICA,

    I was anxious to know what your project was going to look like but the way you describe what you have had to setup with your “studio” on the street, makes me even more impatient to see it…

    HERVE,

    I also saw your question in the previous post…In my case, I also started my assignment late (sort of wave 2) and at about the same time as Erica 4 weeks ago so I allow myself a few more weeks (as long as David does not tell me enough is enough)…What’s more, I could have completed it if only YOU and a few others did not ask me to see more of the social setting etc :):):) Net, I blame you Herve (and David occasionaly) for making me carry on with this project for longer than anticipated….:):):) Joking aside, entering into an assignment is a journey really that I am discovering and I am enjoying every minute of it, even if there is also some frustration occasionaly for not being able to show exactly what I would like….You sort of feel sometimes that you have got it and then, after a few days you think NO, boring, conventional, repetitive and then you go back and try again…In my case, on top, I have started my boxing essay without really thinking at all about what I was going to say or show…Really, I just wanted to make a few good colorful images….but…this may not be sufficient as I have learned…so, it takes longer to work it out eventually….The most fun part for me is not whether the assignment will be completed or not, not whether David will actually show it or not but the great thing is that, first, this got me out to shoot even more than before and in doing so, lots of interesting stuff started to happen….I now have in mind several angles or ramifications for this work that I might do as part or even well after the “official” assignment is over…I met a bunch of great kids and boxers who live a life 180o opposed to mine… I have become more aware of the social/ life challenges these “inner city” kids face…Importantly, and this was the purpose of trying to get an assignment with david, I really feel that I am also growing with my photography…It may or may not show just yet but I can feel it…As I deepen the topic, look at books that David and others have recommended, see what some great photographers have managed to show previously on this same topic, this forces me to think harder about what I want to show, helps me see my shortcomings vs the “greats”… so, it is SO SO worth it… All I can say, is that, to the ones in the blog who may have been sitting on the fence, hesitating whether to propose something to David or not, I can just say, get in there, get going, it is so much fun!!! Painfully fun!!!!

    Cheers,

    Eric

  • Hey David,

    small question about EPF…will it be like last time where you set a limit on when photos could be shot from and to? Or will it be more open, basically allowing us to submit pictures from anytime? Im going to be submitting Home Sweet Home which you know has been something Ive been shooting for a while now.

  • I got behind here a couple of weeks back, and it looks like I will never catch up….

    DAVID

    Good travels and happy shooting. Thanks very much for the Filson bag advice from a while back, I am now the proud owner of one of the “new style” bags (ebay!)… it is lighter than the medium field bag…. it is a nice bag indeed!

    I posted another group of pictures… my fourth attempt at a mini-essay… it will all add up to something someday, I hope!!

    Do you think it makes sense to go forward without preconceived notions… with the faith that at some point the work itself will tell you what it is about?

    SIDNEY

    Thanks very much for the link to the article regarding photographs of American dead in Iraq… I was surprised at first by the fact that the article was published at all, but as I read, it smelled a little fishy to me…. like a red herring. The military is actually controlling, through access, the the output of the journalists it “embeds”? Shocking.

    I’m no fan of Susan Sontag, but I thought “Regarding the Pain of Others” was a cogent and thought-provoking book… it raised many questions about exactly this issue… how “we,” western, or Europeans, or Americans have and continue to use representations of suffering… in any case, the dearth of images depicting American death in this current war should come as no surprise. That we see so many more images of Iraqi dead should come as no surprise either.

    The real question, to me, anyway, is to what extent the Times or any other corporate journalistic outlet is an organ of our current (and future) regime…

    I guess the good news is that the power of a still image is still something that has to be reckoned with.

    MARCIN

    Thank you for the link to your wife’s paintings. Wspaniałe!

    ALL

    Okay… if someone out there is looking for a project, I have two words for you: “DEMOLITION DERBY!” I thought this genre of American destruction was a thing of the past, but no! It lives and is so, so ripe for exploitation by an intrepid documentarian. First of all, it attracts Interesting Characters, second, it has an exceptional Ironic Index, and, I may be wrong (please correct me) but as a subject, it has been Overlooked by Canonical Photographers! This is the photographer’s dream trifecta!!!

    Someone please jump on this! Okay, it’s greasy, loud and destructive… un-reconstructed… I posted a few pictures in my usual ham-fisted (ham-eyed??) style from last weekend which should give you some idea of what I saw….

    ANDREW B

    the newest pictures I posted were edited while thinking about what I wrote earlier… about using the edges of the frame… not that these are fantastic pictures, but I want to show you examples of my trying to practice what I preach… periphery…

    Also, I was thinking…. I’ve made some very specific choices… film, b&w, 35mm, 28mm lens, flash… all of these, in aggregate, are meant to totally mess with a viewer’s perception… I’m sure I am in the minority here, but I think any photograph is a work of fiction (all photographs are, in fact, lies), and the technical choices I have made, I hope… sledgehammer that point.

    An old teacher of mine, Roswell Angier, recently wrote a book called “Train Your Gaze” which I think is really great… it has an academic approach, it’s an art-school textbook, but I haven’t seen anything else like it… it deals in equal measures with the theoretical, historical, ethical, and technical problems posed by taking pictures of humans. If the “edges” idea makes sense to you, there are about another hundred equally important ideas in it… just a tip.

    AKAKY

    Better a rolling start than calling the garage. Keep moving, though… I’m right behind you, in the ’59 Buick!!

  • hi david. yes i do look at that section. and i know people have been posting links there. but i hesitated to do so because i understood the posting to be only for actual students in your workshops and seminars. am i wrong? may i post a link too?

    bj

  • MIKE – Demolition Derby is alive and well in the Northern Territory , I’ve been trying to get to the women only event in Tennant Creek for a couple of years now.

  • GLENNN!!!!!!!!!

    THERE”S A WOMEN”S ONLY DEMOLITION DERBY EVENT!!!!!

    HOW DO I SIGN UP???????????

    Is the money good??????????

    And how do I get my name back, I am sick of being only three dots..

  • GINA

    It’s so great to know you are here..you most certainly aren’t crashing anything, we’ve been waiting for you!

    We only met briefly at LOOK (after a splattering of emails) while you were finding names/tags, but I was deeply moved by the presence and grace with which you did that task on top of all that you did for LOOK…it was literally remarkable, and I discussed it with Juliana B., noting that you are a woman of extreme character.

    What a boon for the participants of the blog here that your eyes are open to our doings; and one more testament to DAH’s ability to act like a wave machine, affecting things on the shores from where ever he may be..

    ERIC

    Your growth does show! And re: having a project reveal one’s shortcomings, esp. in light of other work done in the same vein by the ‘greats’ ..indeed. It REALLY makes me appreciate their successes all the more, knowing that though they might be extraordinary photographers, they too are/were human and faced many challenges, and managed to excel.

    The experience for me is a bit like watching the Olympic athletes on the tele..if I try to perceive all the training, dreams, fears, hopes, tears they must have known, I can see these people as human, and their feats can be a source of inspiration to me instead of seeing these committed, dedicated, hardworking and gifted individuals as demi-gods with an advantage not bestowed on mere mortals.

    When my shortcomings as a photographer are revealed to me through my own workings, I can look for the gaps and try to understand what must be done, on a practical level, keeping responsibility for my progress instead of seeing those gaps between what is, and what I would like to see, as insurmountable. (Unfortunately when my shortcomings are pointed out by someone outside myself, I just get frustrated and upset, a shortcoming!, because it is hard for me to see what I have not yet seen for myself..ah, growth!)

  • ..
    or are you Herve?

    what does it say in the Name field of Post a comment? have you tried clearing it and retyping your name?

  • BTW, HERVE / ALL

    Because of your initial question, I just looked back at my logbook..as of yesterday’s efforts I have been shooting for this exactly 4 weeks. I have photographed 73 people so far, taking an average of 3 frames a person..

    I have lots of film to scan, so I don’t know how many keepers there are yet, but from what I have seen, I’d guess that an image of 1 in 5 people will make the cut. It would be great to have somewhere around 20 or 25 strong images in the end, which means I may need to shoot about 100 – 125 people. I’ve never figured these details out in advance before, but to be realistic about the trajectory of completion, I guess it is a helpful guidepost.

  • David and Michael,
    Wow! That’s the same Jeep that was in my driveway only a few weeks ago. That’s what I call getting around.

    Michael, I hope you’re getting paid by the mile as well.

    Best to you both, and safe, fun travels.
    Mike

  • GINA….

    welcome, welcome!!! as a long time friend and as someone with whom i having been working on an “assignment” for several years, your voice here will be very special for all….

    RAFAL…

    maybe i have not been clear enough, so i am pleased you asked this question…

    this time around, i am looking at the work of all of you for the whole year..what we are doing right now with assignments, links, critques etc. is to be your way of “applying” for the EPF….

    i am trying to view this funding not so much as an annual award, but more of just being able to fund a worthy project whenever a worthy project is worthy!!!

    again, THIS IS NOT A PROMISE…this is just something i am trying to do….and i am trying to do it and at the same time do my own work…if i stopped doing “my own thing” and just went out there and “fund raised”, i could do this in no time…the EPF is an “easy sell” to individuals and to industry corporations…it is just my time that is not “easy”..

    i do have enough funding right now to made three stipends possible…i want to go for more, but we will just have to see..

    surely, no photographer here would want me to give up my own “photographic life” even for the very altruistic and worthwhile and totally special nature of this forum..i would hope , in fact, quite the contrary…i have always said that the only thing i have to offer any of you here is the fact that i am right here in the dead center of the “mix” right along with all the rest of you…

    ok, now i must run run…i almost out of film and only because of the good graces of David M and his friend Ken, will i be able to shoot pictures of Patrica and her husband by tomorrow afternoon so i can drive back to New York and meet Erica and pay my rent and then prepare my slide shows and to get on the plane Saturday and fly to Tuscany where the ubiquitous Lassal will be one of my students at my workshop where i am only going because of my loyalty to Carlos Roberti who has been a friend for so many years and then i must get back to the U.S. soonest so i do not lose momentum on my “off for a family drive” essay….

    see what i mean??

    hugs, david

  • Mike–

    I’ve already jumped on the Demolition Derby thing. I found a website that lists Demolition Derbies across the country.

    All–

    Here’s a link to the photos I took at the Orange County Fair. The photos toward the end are from the Demolition Derby. Almost immediately after leaving the fair, I realized all of the shots the I should have taken at the Derby! Can’t wait to get to the next one.

    I would really appreciate anyones and everyones input. Feel free to rip them apart!

    http://www.spencerlloydphoto.com/ocfair.shtml

    Thanks everyone!

    sl

  • GINA….

    welcome, welcome!!! as a long time friend and as someone with whom i having been working on an “assignment” for several years, your voice here will be very special for all….

    RAFAL…

    maybe i have not been clear enough, so i am pleased you asked this question…

    this time around, i am looking at the work of all of you for the whole year..what we are doing right now with assignments, links, critques etc. is to be your way of “applying” for the EPF….

    i am trying to view this funding not so much as an annual award, but more of just being able to fund a worthy project whenever a worthy project is worthy!!!

    again, THIS IS NOT A PROMISE…this is just something i am trying to do….and i am trying to do it and at the same time do my own work…if i stopped doing “my own thing” and just went out there and “fund raised”, i could do this in no time…the EPF is an “easy sell” to individuals and to industry corporations…it is just my time that is not “easy”..

    i do have enough funding right now to made three stipends possible…i want to go for more, but we will just have to see..

    surely, no photographer here would want me to give up my own “photographic life” even for the very altruistic and worthwhile and totally special nature of this forum..i would hope , in fact, quite the contrary…i have always said that the only thing i have to offer any of you here is the fact that i am right here in the dead center of the “mix” right along with all the rest of you…

    ok, now i must run run…i almost out of film and only because of the good graces of David M and his friend Ken, will i be able to shoot pictures of Patrica and her husband by tomorrow afternoon so i can drive back to New York and meet Erica and pay my rent and then prepare my slide shows and to get on the plane Saturday and fly to Tuscany where the ubiquitous Lassal will be one of my students at my workshop where i am only going because of my loyalty to Carlos Roberti who has been a friend for so many years and then i must get back to the U.S. soonest so i do not lose momentum on my “off for a family drive” essay….

    see what i mean??

    hugs, david

  • Spencer:

    Looked through the work. I see the start of something that could be good with time.

    I’m just wondering why you decided on black and white for the demo derby?

    I might try color. To me the photos lose a lot of valuable flavor and information with the lack of color. It’s a great slice of Americana, one I shot earlier this fall, but to me a project like that just begs for color.

    Just my two cents. The important thing is it looks like you found a subject you’re passionate about.

    Keep shooting,
    Tim

  • Best of luck in Chicago. Text me before you leave—you might be ready for a stop this evening at the Bell’s Brewery in Kalamazoo on your way to Detroit.

  • Erica & DAH – thank you, thank you for the warm welcome! yes, erica – i do remember meeting you. just not sure i remember having “grace” that weekend – more like crazed chaos. i look forward to joining the family…. DAH – have a wonderful workshop in Tuscany – i loved that class with you!! see you soon….

  • Mike, Spencer, Bob, Cathy, David Mc,

    Thanks for your words about my wife’s paintings.
    I am her bigest fan. She is a genius.

    David and all,

    Thanks to Anton, Nick, and W Robert Angell tomorrow I am going to my hometown. Next three-four days I be working on. Then I try process all stuff I done at one. The results should be visible during next week. So… end is very close.
    I have to finish this essay. It pinch me.
    We’ll see…

    peace and thanks for all

  • Erica, 3 dots, not me… I never scream online (using capital letters) ;-)

    bj,David did not answer, but anyone of us here can. The link is for anyone who cares to put their work up for all to see. Just specify in a few words if that is an ongoing or just finished specific project you want us to look at.

    Rafal, I read Times and Newsweek off and on, OK they are not Nader’s official mouthpiece, but this whole idea that they are not highlighting pitfalls in the decisin making and conduting of the war, so that are being hidden the truth just doesn’t stick. It is just important to understand that most americans are not very progressive people, read little (that’s the problem, not the printed word itself) and in their global approach, think on the whole insularly, even bordering on isolationism, which allows at times, paradoxically, unilateralism….The plot always get thicker… :-)

    The subject of not showing corpses and coffins is, IMO, pretty close to not showing any boobs or pubic hair on TV (and movies too), censoring prerogatives readily accepted (wrongly maybe) by people and the televisual culture of the country, stuff that will not change one iota if Obama is elected. Do not expect to see any coffins if he “surges” in Afghanistan, if/when elected.

  • SIDNEY,

    thanks for the encouraging words, guy. Should I open an artery now or wait till the weather gets better? ;-)

  • ALL

    I am learning SO much and David hasn’t even arrived yet! Isn’t expected to get here until Monday afternoon in fact. But just preparing for his visit, in particular for his review/edit of my Self Portrait/Daily Life project, is showing me things I never knew before.

    He asked that I make 4″x6″ prints of all the images I wanted him to see. For me that added up to 60 images–24 from his first online edit, maybe 10 that hadn’t made the cut but that I wanted us to look at again, and the rest new images that no one has seen. Well, what I’m going to say next is something all you film photogs already know, but if there are other digital-only folks out there, this is for you…

    PRINTS MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE! They make your work real, tangible, something that exists in the world. I’d seen this when I’d printed 38 B&W prints to submit to a magazine last spring, but somehow I’d forgotten.

    And the larger the better.

    As I’m preparing for DAH’s visit, I’m also preparing for Mary Ellen Mark’s August 2-3 workshop in Upper NY State. That means I’m in the midst of printing 10-20 photos from the same series, each of them in color at 11″x16.5″. What an eye-opener! Colors show up SO differently on paper from how they looked on my monitor. I’m having to adjust color balance and saturation many times over. Luckily I’m doing 4×6 tests before I print the monster sheets, but still. Some images that I’d liked a lot on my computer are much less successful in print, and others look stronger on paper. It’s good to learn that now. I think I’ll be doing some serious re-shooting when I get back home.

    HERVE

    To answer your question about when our assignments will be finished, I suspect mine will NEVER be finished. Or if it is, it will take at least a year. And that’s probably being optimistic. I guess at some point DAH will take what I have, edit it, and call it “finished,” at least as an assignment. But I’ll just keep on keepin’ on…

    AKAKY

    When you start moaning about being old at 50, I hope you’ll look at the example of our fearless mentor, DAH. It’s been awhile since he crossed that rubicon and yet. And yet. Does he seem OLD to anyone here??? Gawd, man, he and Mike are planning to arrive in Detroit Monday afternoon, spend time photographing Ed and me, work with me on my project, have some dinner, maybe a little walk by the lake, and then get back in the car and drive all night long, hoping to get back to Brooklyn for a few days before he takes off to give a workshop in Tuscany!

    I ask you, does THAT sound like someone who’s cruisin’ down a steep hill in a Cadillac convertible, or someone who’s got his pedal to the metal as he crests yet another hill???

    Patricia

  • Yep, Patricia, 50, that’s nothing (53 here). It’s the time when you are totally comfortable living in this world on your own terms, nothing to prove anymore, you’ve got your own blueprint figured out, others take it or leave it, it makes little difference.

    Given a good health and a healthy recognition of all that life has to offer at any age, you are ready for a new type of very personal freedom that even life at 40 did not offer.

    OK, maybe that’s 60 I’m talking about…So, if so point made: it only gets better…..

    :-))))))))

  • David,

    Did you actually take the plunge and buy an iPhone? That is a LOT of technology for you to hold in your hand! Or are you just playing with Mike’s?

    Watch out… it can be addicting.

  • Hey, Pete! You’ve been missed. Welcome back ;=)

    Patricia

  • David,
    I can’t think that you’ll be just 300 km from here for a WorkShop and I haven’t holiday and during the week end I have to go to finish the photo-essay on the old people in a village in Taburno Park (near Naples)..
    Do you think that there’ll be a final exhibition so that if I finish I can take a train also to be there for a couple of hours and have a look at the student work?
    Who’s going? Only Lassal?

    Patricia,
    we’ll wait for a report about DAH visit.

    All,
    now I understand the one that you call lurker or someting like that, having not enought time also trying to read all the notes it’s not easy to keep an eye on everything and write something that has a sens (in english at least).
    I found so interesting all the comment in the last post!
    It was useful to have, as an answer to a David Mcgowan question, the simple number for presentation, exhibition, book etc.. I use to have a wide selection of 60-70 and a tight of 20 but it depends.
    For me it will be really useful to have a Work in progress on the DAH assigment… like a link where we can have a look at the Z selection of Erica, Panos, Bob, etc.. that became C,B and then A with the choice of DAH.
    I check the Patricia and Eric ones..
    I’ve seen the Cristina one.
    May be it needs to much time or may be it’s more personal for someone.

    Akaky,
    late but Happy B-day

  • P.S. I still can’t open the emerging photographer Presentation in C’ville… May be if I buy a new iPhone… better no.. I just broke my new Camera… that’s the reason why I only buy second hand and no professional stuff.

    Erica and Kathy how long did you spend to make a new web site with that tool? I can’t update my old one easly so may be it’s time to build a new one.

  • LAURA

    Months..but when it come to this stuff I am obsessive and I also had a lot of rescanning / converting files to do, as I was working with all film and a lot of BW. I am sure it wouldn’t take someone else all that long, if they were clear about what they wanted to use and had the files ready.

  • LAURA,

    molto grazie :-)

    PATRICIA,

    thank you for the words of encouragement. I would take them to heart, but I won’t. Nothing personal. People used to ask my grandfather, who passed away in 1982 at the age of 96 (he thought; he wasnt entirely sure) just what it was like to be so old. He’d say he wasnt old at all, and then he’d point at me and say that if you wanted to know what it was like to be old, ask him, he’s a lot older now than I’ll ever be. And then I’d say, jeez, thanks Grampa, maybe I’ll do something nice for you some day.

    In any case, I am continuing to annoy musicians by shoving my camera into their faces whenever I get the opportunity, and here is some of the pictures created during my last opportunity a couple of weeks ago. Opinions are welcome, and if Stoop is lurking here, yes, I have to work on the Zone thing.

    http://www.lightstalkers.org/galleries/slideshow/14103

  • long time no see…
    i thought i should be a little more positive,
    and happy tonight… so…there you have it…!

    and this one , specially DEDICATED TO DAH & maybe Mike and Bob…

    peace
    running back to my “beautiful hell”…. ( for now )

  • Herve
    nicely said, the 1st paragraph. I only think that by “finding myself” as I age, so to speak, the only person I find my self with anything to prove to is myself.
    sorry for the mental syntax.
    I love how Atget stayed the course, refining and tempering.

  • Erice/Herve:
    I think the mysterious “three dots”, AKA simply ‘., is our cuz/sis Lisa H….

    Lisa:
    If that is you, as Erica suggested check out the “Name:” field and see if it somehow managed to save that instead of your name. If that doesn’t help, try clearing the cookies out of your browser cache.

    Kelly:
    A tardy comment on your swimming piece…it rocks! My best friend from the time I was 6 years old and all through HS (and his older brother)
    were both swimmers (one step away from the olympic team when they were in college), and I tried it for a couple years. Such a hard sport, where the difference between success and failure can be measured in the hundredths of seconds
    ..you captured it so well, conveyed the drive and dedication those who choose to pursue – for whatever goal – that sport must have…I liked the sunrise caught in the corner of one shot of the morning workouts that showed how it isn’t your normal “after school” committment. Most of all, I love how you capture colors, this goes for all your work.

    Gina:
    I know what you mean about feeling like you’re crashing a family reunion! I lurked for about 3 months before posting anything, and even then only did so after chatting via email with a “regular” because I didn’t think I really was “qualified”…and being encouraged to participate..and even now I’m overwhelmed by the talent here….

    Eric:
    I’m sorry this weekend didn’t work out to get together, but I’m hopeful and confident sometime between wednesday and Sunday when we are back up there will work…will continue to converse with you in email.

    As to yoru comments on why you enjoy the project, I think I can relate….I have been trying to think of a theme, a topic, on which to focus…and just doing that has me now thinking in terms of projects, and the ideas are starting to flow….I am keeping them in my note-book, and reviewing, updating, revising…perhaps one will speak to me. And evenif not, I am stretching, growing…reaching…which is the point, at least for me.

    Mike:
    I did, indeed, understand what you meant with your “energize the edges, the field” suggestion, and have kept that and a few other nuggets in mind when shooting over the last couple weeks…Thanks for the tip on the book – will look for it soonest, and I’m also going back through your recent posts, I looked at them before, but not fron that perspective.

    Akaky:
    Happy belated birthday!!!…you’ll be pleased to know that having read your words and seen your images both here and on LS, I often thought “wow, i was I was young and could be cool like he is…”. :) Not too many years before I hit that landmark (mine?) myself…

    Patricia:
    I picture you wheeling through your home with dozens and dozens of 4x6s stuck to all objects….a fun image! I often will take 4×6 or 5×7 prints and leave them in a room where I often work/sit/read, just to let them be “absorbed”….sooner or later, they seem to end up being adopted or thrown out very decisively…

    HERVE!
    (sorry, just had to yell that ;) You’re another one I pictured as a member of the young cool set….such great insights! Perhaps there is something to this over-45 thing that has an upside….

    ALL
    One quick question on the student links…I’ve looked at lots of them (ok, I confess, that’s why I lurked so long…intimidated!), but then haven’t really gone back….are you guys posting new stuff to those same links, or putting in a new entry with your link when there is new work to be seen?

    best to all,
    Andrew

  • I have been around and reading the blog, just busy with work and trying to get my online magazine updated.

    I have added a few new images to my portfolio site as well as three recent photo essays I have been working on for the paper.

    Link to the stories is below. The newer ones are on the right.

    http://www.petemarovichimages.com/stories.html

    Comments are welcome of course.

  • Thanks David

    I had no idea this is how we arte applying….Ill post some links today. Can we post many links or just the one for our EPF story? And does it have to be editied or is it simply a place to link our ongoing work on the project?

  • Panos!

    Was saving this one from one of my recent remedial exercises for you!

    Those are socially correct (lawn) jockeys in the background, holding the names of stake race winners this year….saw this one and we couldn’t resist…

    http://photos.imageevent.com/j_andrew/whimsy/large/IMG_10214_001_sm.JPG

  • DAVID,

    Since you’ll be in Detroit, I’m thinking that you’ll have to pass through Sylvania, Ohio on your way back to NYC.

    There’s not much here, and it’s probably not worth a stop, but in case it’s not at the forefront of your thoughts as you pass through, it’s worth reminding you that it’s where Sam Abell learned his “flat horizon” perspective.

    Cheers,

    Jay

  • Tim–

    Thanks for looking. I had heard from Patricia about the MEM workshop and tried to sign up, but it was full. They are going to photograph the Ulster County Fair, and that just seemed like such fun, so I started looking for other County Fairs in the Area and found the Orange County Fair complete with Demolition Derby! I really had no idea what to expect, and I recently started shooting black and white again and have really been loving it! I completely understand what you’re saying about the color opportunities at a Demolition Derby. The cars were painted with some really amazing colors. But I think the B&W creates such a different feel, like the photos are from another time. I kind of relate the Demolition Derby with the 50’s, so the B&W feels really right to me. I looked at some of your site. I have to get back to it. I really loved what I saw. You are great with color. I looked at your portraits and your trucker photos. Really nice work. An issue I seem to have with color in uncontrolled environments is that there often seems to be some element in the background that’s a very glaring color and very distracting. The same element probably would not be an issue as a gray tone.

    Akakay–

    Happy birthday… my father is 74. Spring, Summer and Fall, you can’t get him off the sailboat, and winter he’s constantly on the slopes. And when he’s not sailing or skiing, he’s traveling. He’s definitely not old! I’m about to come upon my 44th. Nice to know I only have 6 more years before I can start living comfortably if Herve is right!

    sl

  • David

    There may not be much in Sylvania like Jay said, but you must stop in Toledo for some food at Tony Paco’s!

  • okay..

    ALL & the rt honorable DAH.

    i’m stuck.
    there are two things i could do on and for this forum and i’m not sure which to follow..
    hmm.

    1 – post work i am doing now.. this is documenting my time in stavanger, european city of culture 2008 and all that.. my impressions.. show what the city is about.
    it’s rolling along and i’m enjoying it, however it has nothing to do with my long term projects..

    2 – post what i am working on with the long term project – mostly shot over the past decade and with probably another years shooting and editing to be done for a book.

    the thing is that i am not shooting much of 2 right now, due to lack of funds and the fact that where i need to go with it now will be without commission.
    the music gatherings i need for completion are of no real interest to magazines.. (non-commercial.. small..) and that was how i have, (bearly), been able to fund the rest of the work.

    at the moment i am shooting much more of ‘1’, however what i would like considered for mentoring, possible funding and development is ‘2’..

    DAH – could i set up a blog perhaps.. ‘making a book’ or somesuch.. and would the editing process for ‘2’ and where i need to shoot next be considered for the EPF?
    OR
    will i post my current photo-mumblings.. ‘1’, disconnected from my long term projects, although illustrating my developing practise and more ‘live shooting’?

    i’ve been easing into this forum for long enough now to be ‘putting up’.. i’m begining to feel like the guy who’s turned up to the party without any alcohol to share… and i’m kind of struggling about what to share.

    conflict.
    the work i have been doing over time, but don’t shoot much of right now
    or
    the work i am doing now.. which does not fit into the longer project i am trying to finish this year or next.

    i have to make a decision myself, however – opinions would be great.

    one way or another i would like to be in on the next round of assignments.. they seem great fun and it would be good to get live feedback during a shoot..
    i guess i would also like to ask for feedback on the larger editing project i now find myself doing.

    if that post was utterly confusing i apologize.. it was a late night.

    any and all opinions will br heartily recieved.

  • Again, playing catch up here. Just moved to UK and staying with in-laws as we await delivery of our stuff. Looking forward very much to getting stuck in with new project and getting a handle on my “Child’s Play” material to date. Will report back soonest. Tonight I’ll endeavour to catch up on reading here.
    http://paultreacy.com/boyhood.htm
    http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/269368

  • DAVID:

    Hope you are doing well. I took some time away from the computer (and therefor the blog) over the last week as we have been having a break before leaving Asia, so I am waaay behind…. Anyways, in a couple of Jess will be flying back to the States (brother’s wedding) and I will be heading back to England. Some poor weather has dragged me back inside though, so I have started to get work organized as I prepare a new portfolio…

    I posted a soundslides presentation of stuff shot in Macau a week or so back. Not sure if you caught it or not?… The soundslides thing was really just for fun, but it shows a large edit of the work…

    http://www.jameschance.com/macau

    I have edited the piece down now too, this is up on my site. I would really appreciate your thoughts on this work, and my edit when you get a minute. My TB/HIV story is also up on my site now. I would like to know if you think this edit is too lengthy? Not sure if I should cut a couple of shots?

    http://www.jameschance.com

    Finally, I am interested to hear what you consider my two strongest essays as I intend to choose two for my portfolio to show during my time in Europe (London, Perpignan etc.). Your opinion will be very useful at this time.

    I do hope you are enjoying working on your families project. From what I have read on the blog, it certainly seems so. You are certainly getting around! Shit though brother! You must be spending half you budget putting gas in that Wrangler. Can’t you talk Mike into a nice little Honda Civic or something!… ;)

    I was thinking, I know a family that may be of interest?… Through the America at Home project a while back I was introduced to a rather interesting family, The Enders, who are “nocturnal”. Mother JIll has always been a night owl, so now her family (three kids) have followed suit. Jill home schools her kids. When I visited it was around 11-12pm and they were all sitting around the table doing maths. Their father was having surgery when I visited, which is whey they were staying with a friend in Ohio I think, as they actually live in California. Really, really nice family though, very close and lots of love shared. I was very touched meeting them… They just like the night… Anyways, let me know if this maybe of interest and I would be happy to give Jill a call.

    Safe travels on the road, look forward to hearing from you

    James

  • Hello David and you all,
    Here is the link on my current work on my parents:

    http://gallery.me.com/audreybardou#100381
    user: bb
    password:bardou

    They are just my editions of reading (I am sorry about the bad quality), it is not classified, as many persons on this forum, I have difficulty making my editing.
    For my definitive choices, I appeal to a friend to me, Florence, which makes my barytés editions (as I say, everyone to his trade!).
    I wait impatiently for your remarks,
    Kind regards, audrey

  • audrey

    this looks absolutely beautiful… such an intimiate portrait of brigitte et bernard… it makes me want to go photograph my family as well, makes me think why i am always looking far and beyond while the greatest treasures i have are closest to me…

    i tried looking again with your question of editing it down in my head, but i couldn’t leave out anything.. i’m really curious what others think..

    great great work audrey.. thanks for sharing

    antn

  • PANOS

    this one is for you, though you probably know it well..I have been dancing around the kitchen to it for weeks now..never saw this video, I just like the song, something very tender about it..

  • AUDREY

    Le travail est vachement fort; j’espere que tu le sais..tu as un vrai cadeau; tu donnes l’acces d’une monde prive dans une facon respectueuse mais au meme temps la porte est ouverte a nous sans censure..j’espere que ce travail continue..

    Naturellement je prefere quelques images..ils sont intemporels! comme 4,5,7,10,11,12,13,14, 16!!, 17, 18, 20, 21!!, 22, 26, 27, 28, 29, 31, 38, 39, 40!!, 42, 45!!, 48, 49!!..

    Il y en a deux avec “25”, peut etre tu peus le changer a 25a et 25b..

  • merci Anton et Erica… Yes, I think of continuing him(it) a long moment… Erica, he also delays me seeing your images of ” studio of street “!!!!
    à bientôt, audrey
    Ps: I have just rectified the image, thank you

  • AUDREY

    thank you for sharing this beautiful and intimate story of your parents. can you give me your email or website to add to my list of projects to look at for LOOK3?

    you have some wonderful moments – 10, 15, 16, 17, 20, 24, etc…. yes editing your own work is difficult. i do think you need a tighter edit of the hospital images. 31 and 38 are very strong. i think the ones you can probably edit out are 25, 32, 36, 37, 42, 49, 50… just a thought.

    wonderful and moving project… gina

  • JAY OTT….

    i will be driving through and shooting around Warren, Ohio…much of my earliest work was done when i lived in Ohio as a teenager…including the “Off For a Family Drive” album which is the whole basis for my current project…i am photographing every house where i ever lived and two of them are in the Warren area…i will probably be driving through on tuesday….perhaps we meet???

    cheers, david

  • SOPHIA…

    i will contact you soonest..maybe when i am in Tuscany…

    i have no idea why i did not see your e-mail when you were in New York…to be honest, in my case it is always a good idea to try to reach me several times…do not be shy….i am bombarded with e-mails, phones messages etc., so sometimes i just miss…i do make every effort not to let any messages slip by, but every once in awhile it happens…

    ANDRES…

    i am still in Chicago, but leaving this morning at some point…i photographed families all around the Chicago Cubs game yesterday and then moved down by the lake…i must say Chicago is one very well organized and nice nice beautiful city at least along the waterfront…however, i do know a “cold wind blows” in january etc etc!!!

    i sort of expected a phone call from you, but we would not have had much time to chat in any case…when i am actually shooting/working is not the best time to meet generally…but, i will be back through again later in the fall and perhaps we can spend some time…

    DAVID MCGOWAN….

    many many thanks amigo for setting up the “film drop” with Ken…nice guy…he came riding up on his bike as per planned and he gave me the 10 rolls of Tri-X 220..the last 10 rolls in Chicago!!!!

    i will call you when i hit the road this morning….i will need to be at Patricia’s house by 4 or 5 this afternoon…..

    PATRICIA….

    on my way…well, almost on my way…i will call mid morning….

    cheers, david

  • Gina,
    Thank you very much to interest you in my work.
    Here is my e-mail: audrey.bardou@free.fr and my site http://www.audreybardou.eu (I think about a new presentation).
    Kind regards,
    audrey

  • LAURA M….

    i think i have 8 or 9 students in Tuscany…one of them is Lassal, but i do not know yet who the others may be…this workshop is organized by Carlo Roberti and i have not seen a class list…by now, Carlo is reading the blog and seeing that i am in an old jeep and in the middle of America and trying to imagine how i am going to be in Italy by saturday….hmmmmm, yes..but , do not worry, i will be there!!

    yes i think you could show up at the very end of the workshop for the final show and festa…i have many Italian friends, former students etc., who will come to see me at the end of the workshop….as a courtesy, please call Carlo and ask…he sometimes freaks out at the size of my extended Italian “family”, but he will be fine if you just talk sweet to him..or, better yet, talk to Anna…she makes everything happen…i will also tell both you may come…

    RAFAL….ERICA

    you really do not need to do anything yet…i am well aware of your work…at some point fairly soon i will make an announcement just to make sure that everyone who wants to be seen is seen….the whole point of the assignments was so that a jury would be able to see how a photographer has developed and what kinds of work they can do in a relatively limited time frame and just how important their project is….

    but again, this is a relationship, not a contest…anyone here who wants me to see their work, can either post a link or come up with an assignment idea as have you..

    current print magazines have a “pool of photographers” they know and trust….over this past year, we have developed the same thing here…quite a bit of work has been spawned from many of you on this site…this has become a solid working relationship….and getting more interesting and better all the time…

    the only thing i must check now is a legal question….and that is whether or not i can randomly give out a stipend for a photographer to continue her/his project or if i must have a set and organized date for doing so…

    because i am raising funds for EMF under the non-profit status of the Magnum Cultural Foundation, i have to follow certain legalities for the disbursement of those funds….anyway, this is not really a big deal, i just need to do a bit of research on this…i.e. talk with the Magnum lawyer!!!!

    the funds exist already to give out three EPF stipends as i gave Sean Gallagher earlier this year…or maybe one larger one??? i do want to go for more, but i am not sure how a bad U.S. economy is going affect my goals…my intention is to give out say 5 significant stipends…perhaps 2 to iconic established photographers and 3 to emerging photographers from this forum…this would give our whole stipend program a certain kind credibility in the photographic community..

    as you know at my loft workshops in New York, i totally blend the iconic photographers with my students…for example, for the final student show i lead with say Elliott Erwitt or Alessandra Sanguinetti or Nachtwey or Richards and then have the student show follow…almost everyone told me i was crazy to do this, but it worked!!! this blends the iconic with the emerging in a very special way and gives honor to the “established” and allows everyone to see the “emerging” on the same platform….

    ok, i must go go ….Patricia and David M. are “out there” down the highway waiting for me…i must go wake Michael up….i am a 6am up with the sun type…Mike is , well, a later starter!!!

    peace, david

  • WROBERT ANGELL…

    i somehow lost my post to you…anyway, i will be in California in november…will you be around?? i do hope we will meet…

    AUDREY…

    i was going to write you first, but got so busy with other comments , that i almost forgot!!!

    it is crazy for me to give you a rushed review, so i will not try, but suffice it to say that your work with your parents is quite strong…a tighter edit will be required by you eventually , but your best photographs are truly powerful, poignant,obviously personal and ultimately sentimental (in the best sense)…please do not stop this work!!!

    will i see you in France in september??? if so, we can do a nice edit if you so choose…

    please take good care…

    cheers, david

  • David, damn..i so wanna come to one of those wkshps at your house

    p.s. your blog rejected my post as spam…can you guys check it and see if you can fix it? I posted some links to some new stuff Im doing…in color….

  • ALL….

    please note that Gina has a very nice essay on Mexico as seen from a bus..she has been working on this for several years..please ask her nicely to post these pictures at some point!!!

  • Yes, I shall be present in Perpignan in September, I lived at the moment at my parent’s ! At the 1 am by car of Perpignan !
    I shall be enchanted to meet you,
    Kind regards, audrey

  • David,

    You crossed the country in a Jeep? No wonder you’re running out of film. Those things get about 10 miles to the gallon!

    No, in all seriousness, I hope the journey is going well and I’m looking forward to seeing you back here again.

    best,
    Charlie

  • David,
    Thank you, you always find a solution, I’ll try to contact Carlo or Anna (?) and come for the final party but only if it’ll be possible without bothering them or anyone at all.
    Or we’ll meet, may be it’s better, with Audrey and all the other in Perpignan.

    David B.,
    what about a number 3? :)
    If the choice is between 1 and 2 I’ll tell you N.2 for sure may be something linked to that.

    Audrey,
    do you have another link, that one is not working in my PC (I can’t upgrade right now), I’m so curious.

    Erica,
    Three years ago I spent almost one year just scanning and editing all my past work to do with a portion of that the second version of my web site and just 15 days to realize it on flash.
    Of course going on photographing..
    Then… i went on editing the same and other essay but… I can’t modify the web site… It seems to me time stealed, subtracted to the photographic work (or social?)

    … of course we want to see the essay of Gina.

  • Peter, we all went to visit Audrey’s intimate new essay, but I also found your work tackles on pain, family and intimacy, and deserves a lot more than just a mention from you, linking it. Portrait, psychology environment, together these have to be the toughest photographic issues to bring about together, cogently.

    People, Audrey, and me again, take a look:

    http://www.petemarovichimages.com/stories.html

  • thanks laura..
    blog building now.. number three is of course to do both and show them…

    gina.. please.. pretty please..

    audrey.. excellent work .. i hope the photography is helping life in general along.
    how did you get on with ‘millenium images’?

    best
    d

  • Audrey – I too will be in Perpignan and would like to meet!

    ahhh – my mexico project… yes, i started this 7 years ago with DAH. i photograph mexico from a bus… the people, the culture, the landscape, the music, the spirit…all from a bus seat. i have been to 30+ cities, towns and villages. i am close to finishing – but need 1 or 2 more chicken pictures. when i started working on LOOK3 full time (in addition to my other full time job at National Geographic)it made it difficult to focus on my project. but i have promised DAH and myself that it is just on hold – not forgotten. i will work on posting some work this week…. famous last words…

  • gina

    that gave me a giggle.. there must be very few projects in which a couple more chicken photos are needed before completion..

    yours, interested
    david

  • well, i already have the goat on the bus picture and a few chickens… but not THE one yet!

  • dah:

    enjoy your travels. i’m on one of my own right now in alaska. pics on my blog.

    this forum rox.

  • gina…

    hey how are you… suddenly realise that you are gina :-)

    and yes i did hear about your project from david when at look3… so i’m mega-curious too!

    so please please pretty please with sugar on top…

    hope you find your chickens soon :)))

    anton

  • ANDREW B,

    Hope you enjoyed your time at the tournament…I will keep you posted on what my plans are for the coming week… There is one big watchout as I shared a bit earlier on the blog…I did find out that the kids I am following for my boxing essay are participating into a boxing competition that takes place in Columbus, as part of the State Fair. This actually starts this Wednesday and lasts until Saturday…I just found out about this event and obviously I was meant to be at work this week, but I am trying to do a last minute DAH change of plan, get on the “road” and try to join this event….this may be a great opportunity to get out of the Gym and see these kids in different setting which is what I was trying to do for a while…If I decide to be more “serious” and not leave work I will be in town on Wednesday and Thursday to hopefully meet with you but if I go “wild”, I might be out by Wednesday morning and off to Columbus… My heart tells me to go….my head tells me that I have a lot of work to do this week….who knows what I will decide….keep you posted in any case….

    GINA,

    I do not know you but somehow I was aware of this project of yours…Cannot recall when/how but wonder if David might have mentioned your project when I attended one of his workshop…In any case, great to have you here and look forward to see your project…I am sure it is tough to edit a project of 7 years…I have …I will also be in Perpignan and was hoping to meet whoever from the blog will be there…Might have a chance to also meet.

    Cheers,

    Eric

  • Oops…was meant to say I have trouble editing work of 4 weeks so cannot imagine how tough it would be to edit 7 years….

    Eric

  • ERIC
    Sounds like a wonderful opportunity to add another diminsioin to your project. I’m sure that such an event is a very big deal for the kids, and to be able to capture that aspect is one of those rare opportunities…I certainly understand the “head vs. heart” decisions that must be made…no problem if it doesn’t work this time, we are so close…we’ll just keep in touch.

    ALL
    Any suggestions for events or workshops in the mid or east parts of the US that are coming up in the fall or winter? I am already planning on attending Look3 next year…

  • David,
    I hope I am around, I certainly plan to be, are you going to be in LA.. If so I think it would be awesome to hang out for a bit if you have some time. maybe we could throw a little bash for the la bloggers, and who ever else for that matter.

  • ps. you cant be serious about the film in Chicago, with its photographic history. I cant imagine that film over there is hard to find.
    thank god there is no problem in LA for film.

  • ps. you cant be serious about the film in Chicago, with its photographic history. I cant imagine that film over there is hard to find.
    thank god there is no problem in LA for film.

  • Hey James,

    http://www.jameschance.com/macau

    one can always cut stuff out, I guess, but I liked it a lot. To me, it tells me of a place that has lost its identity but where you can easily find your way and function, just as you would in any other mega asian capital. Forget asian or capital, any mega city in the world. You caught a lot of in between mood shots, self-inquisitive, very open-ended (Pink floyd’s music helps) in a way that we do easily reciprocate that mood, watching, and get inside the frame, since these places are familiar, so familiar…

    As an after-thought, With the MM installation, it may not be about photography (So many times, a photos is not about photography but about…. Just being a Photo), doesn’t matter if that is the case, I wonder if for you, that was something you can call work, or just done on the side of your more journalistic endeavours.

  • HERVE,

    Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated.

  • Isnt 6 am the middle of the night?

  • Not sure if anyone posted this, but I thought it would be of interest.

    From the Columbia Journalism Review:

    Flickring Out – What will become of photojournalism in an age of bytes and amateurs?

    http://www.cjr.org/essay/flickring_out_1.php

  • gina..

    it took me a long while to get the cow photo i was after for my goa project in 97..

    :o)
    http://www.bophoto.co.uk/singles/singles.htm

    any tips on editing from many years would be gratefully received..
    i have one 7 year project and a ten year one to edit.. waiting for the negatives to be shipped as i have recently emigrated.

    i think i’m going to be doing a lot of writing … start dedicated blogs for both projects.. then editing.

    lots of short stories as well, which i have yet to digitize..

    editing can be as much fun as the shooting itself i think – and hopefully once all my negs are in one place it will fall together without too much stress..

    welcome..

  • DAVID

    I am another of your students in Tuscany next week …

    I sincerely hope our workshop will not make you lose momentum in your own project. Hopefully it will rather help you recharge batteries, and you will be back on the road soonest with some fresh Chianti-wisdom …

    I’ve been mostly a lurker here, but today I posted a link to my website in the “student work” space (and in my name here), in case you want/can have a look before next week (I’ll bring a portfolio anyway). It is a work in progress. If you want to send me any comments they will be most welcome, but if you want to wait until we are there that’s fine too. I know you have plenty on your plate already.

    See you in a week’s time. Looking forward to the workshop.

    Nacho

  • Ah… so nice to see David and Mike eating healthy! I used to love their chili pasta in my college days.

  • ANTON – yes, it is me – your (brief) roommate at LOOK3. Wait – that did not sound good…. Anton needed a place to stay the night before the workshop – so i put him up in the LOOK3 flop house for a night.

    ERIC – would like to meet in perpignan too. lets all touch base before we leave and pick a day and time to get together. I will be there for a week (going for work).

    DAVID B – i like the cow photo – i assume that is the first one in your “singles” portfolio. I also like the tattoo guy on the beach. i am going to work on my edit with a co-worker from NG this week and hope to put something up soon.

    Yes, editing is the hardest part – but so important. you always need a tight but strong edit and it is so difficult to edit your own work – especially when it is so personal. sam abell has helped me a bit with the edit and he said to pull out one of your strongest images and use that as your bar. if it is not as strong as that image – put it aside. when i show my work to another photographer or editor – i try to just show the strongest 20 images. you can definitely lose someone interest with too much work.

  • GINA

    that’s exactly what I do as well..when I get my first YES! image I use that for helping to find the next keepers, and if /when an image exceeds or compels that first YES! I use that one as the bar..then after awhie i look in trios, then more…

    and yes, very familiarly funny about needing the ‘it’ chicken shots. The minute I read that I could smell the exhaust coming in through the back of the bus..

  • NACHO – i checked out your site – nice work. i like the camel walking into the doorway. i also really like the young girl smiling/laughing in the refugee camp – you captured a special moment with that one… i too live in DC. if you ever get down town near National Geographic – let me know – we can meet for coffee. my email is gmartin@ngs.org. gina

  • ERICA – yes, you explained it much better than me. It is the YES! shot. that is your bar. the one shot i was working for a few years was the exchange of money with the bus driver. i have shot that scene/moment many times and have been very close. i finally got it in mexico city – i will add that to my link later this week… mexican bus exhaust! that is a friggin’ understatment!

  • ERICA,
    damn.. thanks for the video…
    i havent seen it before… and there is no way i could expect…
    that “script” or “plot”… or twist in it…
    ( immigration officers, etc )…
    hmmm..
    thanks again…

  • ANTON,

    this one for you…
    i will never forget the envy i felt ,
    when you guys called me on the phone from europe…!!!
    blazing…!!!
    and thanks for this morning , and your euro-text message…
    it hit me on a lame ass empty , lonely freeway…
    looking to mirror my self… on the fucking asphalt…
    sorry, Anton, but i started drinking early…

    go ahead, blaze one… for me… and 2Pac , from L.A hell,
    to your hell…
    peace

  • DAVID MCG…
    i dont know , i really dont know why…????
    but if we were ALL rappers for a day…!!!
    i see you as EAZY E… Compton… ORIGINAL…
    Anyways, i missed earlier your link with the narration…
    cool! keep it up!

    anyways , this one for you!!!:

  • … and BOBB…
    since the first time i “read” you…
    YOU WERE A CLASSIC…

    YOU ARE DR.DRE… ( if you ask me )…

    CLASSIC…
    of course this one for you!!!!!!!

    CALI… is you!!!!

  • Im not sure its about the “Yes” factor..I think its more about keeping a certain mood instead of keeping the best shots. If a shot is great but somehow doesnt fit in the body of work, be it mood or content or style, even if it is a brilliant image, it shouldnt stay in, and a weaker but a more relevant image should be kept. Ofcourse the quality should be high in the first place what Im saying is that even your best image might not make it into the edit if it strays from the overall body of work you are putting together. For me that was a struggle, as some of my better images from the Look3 slideshow didnt end up in it because they dilluted the mood. Since then Ive taken them out and now am aiming to shoot more tightly, actually editing before I even click.

  • ok.. hold on, hold on…
    WHO’S ass did i forget to kiss..???

    ahhhh… i remember…
    my MARCIN ….

    hey baby MARCIN… this one totally for you!!!!!
    ( and good luck in your motherfuckin’ doomed BLUE hometown )…
    not kiddin…but you “are my” EMINEM…
    ( and thanks again for emailing me up in the “mountains”…
    i really mean it… thank you for all of your support!!!!)

  • PANOS: :))))

    chronic spend a good long while on walkman (remember that shit) when dre left nwa, ….

    so, now gotta give you some lovin’ back…gotta say, dre makes me swoon, but Ice is what cuts my my heart, since the time i rolled over one night at a part in a part of pittsburgh i had no frickin’ right to be in, at a party i’shouln’t been at, and that night tricked me in a rich gorgeous cocked-up cock way…

    for you bro:

    and an old photograph for you….late-late late at night in spain…

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/300277044/sizes/o/

    running

    hugs

    b

  • Yeah Pete — a tribute to carbs on the road!

  • and an old photograph for you….late-late late at night in spain…

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/73821181@N00/300277044/sizes/o/

    BOB, YOUR PHOTO IS AMAZING…
    i have a similar shot from a bar in barcelona ( old town )…
    that reminds me … but mine is weak, thin, skinny…
    your PHOTO ABOVE is full,, is phat, dope, great…
    jesus… im throwing “mine” in the trash… nowwww…

    thank you … look at this PARADOX…
    YOUR PIC BROUGHT ME BACK A MEMORY THAT BELONGS TO ME…
    ( thats how much powerful your photo is… it makes me think its my photo…!
    im almost convinced,….???????? )

    LET ME KISS YOUR ASS ONCE MORE…
    GREAT MOTHERFUCKING PHOTO…
    BRAVO !!!! ( and i still think this photo, should be mine !!!! )

  • and BOB ,
    DID YOU SAY “ICE CUBE” ?????

    here is a link from “unedited” work,…
    i had “breakfast” with ICE and BIG BOY…. 6/5/06..
    two years ago… somewhere in Montebello…

    http://web.mac.com/innerspacecowpanos/Panoblogomania/_ICE-CUBE….html

  • Yeah Panos call me Easy D

  • Mood is great Rafal, but fitting a very personal project. I see Gina and Erica, and of course the projects are felt personally, but it’s not just about the mood (just like Frank’s american wasn’t just about the mood, ie. you don’t make history with mood only), so it depends what you want to project, and how concrete that is, or you want it to be.

    I also think that if one shoots a strong image(s) that doesn’t fit the project, one has to ask oneself, where are the strong images fitting it? What happened?

    No?

    Rafal, too: I keep reading david telling us shoot/be “loose”, and you speak of bringing the freakin’ editing job in the shooting stance, shooting “tight” as you wrote. Interesting.

    I wonder what David thinks about that.

  • DAVID

    I have no words big or deep enough to say how grateful I am for the time and attention you gave me tonight. And it is a tremendous honor for Ed and me to be subjects for your “Off for a Family Drive” project. Please give Mike our deepest thanks too. It was wonderful to get to know him better. Have a wonderful workshop in Tuscany. Those are lucky people!

    ALL

    Well, David & Mike have come and gone, but they will not be forgotten. Two of the sweetest, most generous-spirited fellows I’ve ever met. Every minute spent with them was pure delight. Can’t think of any other 3 1/2 hour period of of my life that was so instructive and transformative. I feel like I just took a giant step towards becoming a real photographer, and I owe it all to DAH.

    For those who have met and worked with the master, you already know what I’m going to say. During a one-hour edit we covered more territory than in any class I’ve ever taken. It was all about educating my artistic eye, as well as learning important technical information. David inspired, pushed, critiqued, taught, supported and helped me refine my focus in relation to my Self Portrait/Daily Life project. I came away from our time together not only with a tight edit that I feel good about but with a stronger sense of myself as a photographer. I also now know where I want to go with this work. Priceless stuff, that.

    So, here’s what I stayed up late to bring you–a gallery of photos of our visit:

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/dah

    PASSWORD patricia

    Tomorrow I’ll post a link to our tight edit but now I’ve got to go to bed. Night night…

    Patricia

  • PATRICIA,
    damn… you ARE FAST !!!!!!!
    like…
    like a bullet !!!!
    peace

  • PATRICIA…

    Wonderful!
    Are we sure this guy is really DAH?
    Or is he Santa Claus, coming early? :))

  • very “REALISTIC” photos…!

  • ERIC…

    You are probably torn about what to do.
    If it doesn’t work out this time something else will come along but I hope you are able to go!

  • ok… CATHY… go ahead !!!!

  • Thank you…

    Gina, I am delighted to know that we shall soon meet, and I hope to see also very soon your work (I like your ” idea of the bus “!)

    David Bowen, I still thank you, I sent a link to Millennium Images but I do not still have of return, I shall not miss to hold you informed…

    Laura, I know in no way why the link does not walk(work) on your computer, I can maybe send them to you by e-mail, in any small format ? There is 50?

    Hervé, thank you for the link, I knew Pete’s certain works (Alyssa, Migueltio…)I like your last work (news), you made an enormous work!

    Laura, Eric, Pierre-Yves, and all here, in the pleasure to meet you in Perpignan…
    Kind Regards, audrey

  • Patricia, thanks for sharing…

  • Herve, I wouldnt say shooting tight..Id say shoot loose but shoot with something in mind..I dont think shgooting loose is shooting just anything, I think you still want to shoot on message. For me shooting loose means getting in the moment and shooting. However still with something in mind, like mood for example. I do think that it goes beyond personal projects though, for example if you have photos shot really beautifully, organically, where the onus is on emotion and suddenly in there comes this highly rigid graphical and detached shot…it ruins it. But it can go the other way too.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157606002172259/

    This is a project Im doing….it took me several weeks to figure out where Im going with it and what I want. And thats a dtachment, a lack of intimacy, a distant perspective, almost a lack of any sort of humanity, and if so a humanity dwarfed by the environment. I originally had some intimate close ups where humans played a central role in the action but now those would be like a pebble in a shoe. And there were some really good shots I edited out of the set. But they didnt fit.

    In the riverside project Im shooting tight, in the Home Sweet Home Im still shooting loose, i think, still more in the moment rather than thinking about anything else…but still hopefully in that same mood.

    If that makes any sense.

  • roommate GINA :))

    thanks for putting me up for the night in the look3 house. in all my anticipation for the workshop i arrived a day early… that’s what david ‘ll do to you :)))

    PANOS

    thanks for the shout man… actually we have a bakery here called “panos”, shops all over belgium… you world conquerer!

    superfast PATRICIA

    thanks for sharing…. and having met david too: yes i know what you mean.. your description is spot on

    HERVE / RAFAL

    about tight & loose: i always tried to be tight (as in: ‘prepare well’), but the second i would start shooting all would go out the window somehow and i’d become loose (as in ‘headless chicken’ loose, as if some other person would get inside my head and do the actual shooting)… i used to curse myself for that, trying to get a handle on myself.. and when i finally did, it turned out awful pictures.. it took david’s workshop to make me realise that i actually have a GOOD thing going there, being loose, and i should embrace it instead of fighting it.. just that little bit of focus, but please stay loose..

    and watch the edges…

    back to reading..writing.. working..

    anton

  • I guess all Im saying is is that sometime your best shot wont fit the project in terms of not only mood but content, aesthetics….be it personal or journalistic in nature.

    The YES factor might lead to detract from the whole thiong, which would be a real danger.

  • Hi All

    One or two days break. Still can’t find people who agree for shootig. Last time I ask about 40-50 person (zero), so now it will be 70 (??!!) I got only one portrait of two old guys. So now I will try find someone to shoot first, then go to my hometown.

    Panos,

    hmmmm… you know….
    show me….

    Rafal

    This is film? or digi? The best fot that photography is 4×5. Before I have bought my used Mamiya 7 I was wondering about Hand Linhof. But this (expensive) camera could destroy my famili budget. Processing one frame always? For me crazy. I am wery bumpy in my work. I have a lot of rubbish frames in my archive.

    Yes bumpy describe me…

    David,

    When you will be in Italy? Maybe you want step by? When you last time visiting our NG ofiice? I’m kidding…
    hmmm… am I?

    Ok. running

    peace

  • Cheers HERVE! The whole shoot was really an experiment in cutting loose. I had piled a lot of pressure on myself producing the earlier projects on this trip and was feeling tired and rather lost in this strange city. Basically I just decided to cut the pressure valve and hit the streets shooting as freely as possible. This was the result. It certainly helped me clear my head if nothing else!

    DAVID: Can you let me know if you caught my last message. I don’t want to keep bugging you.

    James

  • Helloooo! I’m traveling and my “on the road internet conection” is weak and slow so I can’t check all the responses and can’t be on line as often as I would like. I’m glad I did it right now because I never check under the student work/workshops forum and I was missing something very interesting there!! I will check all the links as soon as I go back home to my regular internet conection and definitely will post a link to my work too. Thanks for mentioning it, David!!
    About “visa pour l’image” in Perpignan… Is anybody going? I am planing to go. Still don’t know the dates but I think the best option is to go during the profesional week. David, which days will you be there? I’m looking forward to seeing you there and give you a biiiig hug!! :-)
    Cheers,
    Ana

  • late night tunes: Einsturzende Neubauten

  • robert

    haven’t listened to Blixa and his band for so long now.. their music has changed! so soft? remembering their early work.. a tad more… uhmmm.. “industrial”?

    :)))

  • GINA

    Thanks!

    I live very near NG. I’ll definitely come have that coffee when I’m back in DC (probably not before October).

    Cheers,

    Nacho

  • Hi ALL
    I put some new pix in ROOMS. like to have your response. sure for a true edit I must re-edit and look again to all folders but for now I’m choosing just a picture from pics I’ve taken in a room to be added to the page

    http://noushin.noushinography.com/my_free_space.htm

    I have some days off too, holidays here and my appointments are shifted to next week means I have more time to see new works here. from the day I posted my website link under student work I am going to see new works there, so many works to be seen and most are very good
    waiting to see what gonna happen in these days maybe a party or something like that could give time for photography

    David McGowan
    just seen your wedding series. have you seen Chris maluszynski wedding series? I think you could find them in their website http://www.momentagency.com , I saw pics when he was in Tehran and they were very inspiring

    AUDREY
    the link isn’t working for me too! I have a mac but this page is not working… maybe I go to a cafe-net to check it

    PATRICIA
    thanks for DAH visit you share with us. I’m so curious to see your final edit

  • Ubiquitous … hmmm…

    Hi all …
    I have not been involved here much lataly. I wanted to post an essay to talk about but I have been doing quite different projects lately. Out of necessity more or less. No time for photographic essays at present time, just time for a lot of thoughts, doubts and some little photos here and there. Thus nothing to show. I feel really bad about it. And in this sense I am a little worried about the workshop, too.

    The workshop actually was David’s idea and I was instantly excited about it, especially because it was just in a small time window I had – and as some other thing got called off, I had some spare money, too. Pure coincidence! And so I just went for it right away.

    Later I realized I do not have time to prepare anything relevant, thus I will arrive with empty hands. Absolutely, completely, totally empty hands! Nothing to show, nothing to edit. That is crazy! And on top of all I probably will not even manage to take my good camera … Just my little pocket camera(s). Ok, I did the Africa-Documentation with it and the pictures are ok, as long as there is enough light around, but it does not really look as if I am taking things very seriously.

    hmmm … There I have the chance of doing one of these great workshops with DAH and there I am like a complete idiot.

    I will try to have some fun, I will try to learn as much as possible and perhaps answer some of the more craving questions that are torturing me. I had told David a while ago that I envy most of you because even if you might have trouble finding time and/or money to do what you long for, most of you absolutely know what you are after.
    I am actually completely insecure about this myself. And that is hell.

    Well, in any case I consider myself happy to be able to go to the workshop, to get to see David and to listen and see whatever there will be to listen and see. And of course to make a lot of photos!

    I was thinking, I could maybe make a quick and dirty essay about the workshop itself, next to whatever might happen on the workshop but I have not talked to David about it so I do not know if this would be on his radar.

    So I hope you wish me luck with this – so I do not completely screw it up …

    Peace,
    L

  • It’s early morning here in Detroit but I’ve been up since 6 am…and I am NOT morning person by nature. My mind is awhirl with everything I learned in working with David last night. Especially about editing. Just to watch and then begin to collaborate in the process was a true AHA experience!

    What I saw, and later entered into, was a rigorous dance between the images and the artist, a dance with unexpected twists and turns, with a pulsing beat as engaging as any band or DJ I’ve ever heard. And as the edit got tighter, the dance partner was no longer each individual image but the whole, the body of work that had taken on a life of its own. To me, that’s when the fun began. And, amazingly, it was then that I became the one to cut more images than David, for I finally heard this project’s unique voice, and I wanted nothing to muddy its purity and power.

    Sequencing was key to my seeing where its strengths lay. The ten images we finally decided on have a flow and, as Mike said, you can look at them and see they were taken by the same photographer. But David made it clear that sequencing is not about “telling a story”” but rather about the flow, the mood, the tonalities and how it looks when moving from one to another.

    Sure it was hard to see so many shots I’d liked end up on the cutting room floor. But when I’d ask David why, he’d show me their weaknesses and/or how they didn’t fit into the body of work we were putting together. Some of them I will retake with a more educated eye, but others are gone forever. So be it. Hey, this kind of editing isn’t for wimps! You’ve got to be ready to let go and get on with it.

    So now I’m getting ready for Mary Ellen Mark’s weekend workshop on August 2-3. As I’ve said before, we’re to bring 10-20 images for a portfolio review. I’ll print these ten photos in 11×16.5″ and maybe add a couple from David’s “B” edit, but maybe not. At this point I’m inclined to stick with my best and if it’s just ten that’s OK. It’ll be interesting to hear what MEM has to say.

    Here’s the link to my tight edit. By the way I tried to post it on Lightstalkers but things were not working well there this morning, so I used my PBase site instead.

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/daily_life

    OH, I am SO GRATEFUL to David for his visit and private workshop! I hope my descriptions are useful to you. We were all there together last night on my screened porch, this whole wonderful community…

    Patricia

  • NASHA, AUDREY!!!!!!!!

    GORGEOUS STUFF!!!!!!!!!!

    YOU GO GIRLS!!!!!!!!!

    Ooops, shhh sshhhh, I am er, ‘screaming’ again. Damn sorry Herve!!!

    GINA

    Anyone that spends 7 years on a bus shooting is someone I would love to meet!!!!!!

    In lieu of that, I would love to see the pics!

    PATRICIA

    Yep, DAH is a ‘doll’ but isn’t Mike a cutie as well, lovely guy and an unsung hero in lots of ways…

    SO LADIES…

    Looks like the odds have evened out on this blog…

    Thanks DAH for the first forum I have ever been in where there are just as many women as blokes in photography, its somewheat of an achievement I think!!!!!

    PS Hopefully my name is back now…

  • Marcin

    digital…I dont have the money to shoot 4×5. No way.

  • LASSAL:

    :))…it is never WHAT YOU HAVE (equipment wise) that makes for a great workshop but WHO YOU ARE….this couldnt be more true when you have a relationship with David as well…(and i’ve never done a workshop with him, just a friendship born from this place)…

    it’s (for me) often the most depressing mentality that i encounter: tools trump the spirit..ANYONE CAN BUY A LEICA/NIKON/CANNON/ROLLEI/HASSEL/HOLGA/LOMO/ fill in the __________________ but not everyone is Lassal….

    I am sure you will have a brilliant time and do well and burn light into the eyes of others :)))….

    PATRICIA:

    :))))…happy you had a chance…and that young cowboy (aint talkin’ bout Michael) is one beautiful motherfucking hombre (the eyes, the eyes, the face)….HAVE FUN WITH MEM….

    PANOS: :)))…yea, ice goes back (remember seein’ them (nwa) in boston, long before any of those dues were dead or movie stars or producers…and that pitbull voice has got one of the most beautiful smiles on the planet ;)))…..thanks for the words about the old pic: that’s Seville, …from a series about bars…wait until you see Bones ;)))…

    ROBERT/ANTON :))…WHEN BLIXa and company were 3 years ago to promote their last album (yea, they’re much softer, but i still dig em and him), Einsturzende Neubauten was recording their live album…on that album you can hear Marina Banshee/African wail/screem….:))..end of 1st cd…

    running
    b

  • LASSAL

    I sent you an email…

  • Rafal

    Trzymaj się cyfry, gdyby nie to ze cyfrowo mi nie wychodzi juz dawno rzuciłbym tradycyjna fotografie w cholere. To nie jest zdowe i normalne. Mam dziesiątki filmow ktore leza i czekaja na wywolanie… no i poczekaja jeszcze.

    Pozdrawiam

  • Laura and Nasha,
    here is a new link:
    http://www.audreybardou.eu/BB/bardou.html
    The images are smaller but I hope that it will be convenient for you, I thought that galleries .mac worked for all the users, sorry…
    Kind regards, audrey

  • ALL / ERIC

    Here’s a shot taken by assist. Tom Sullivan from yesterday of the little outdoor set up..seems I am smiling ear to ear, I think it was because I got to sit down and have something to drink!

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2713767576_1e473a1d48.jpg?v=0

    ERIC/ DAH (former Ohioan that you are) note the Ohio State t-shirt, I am wearing the image of the mascot Brutus Buckeye..

    RAFAL

    I think the question then becomes about how you define what a YES! photo is..after all, only I (you) choose that photo, and it could be for many reasons, i.e., because it informs the mood you are after. And that is why I said that after some time, there often comes another YES! photo as things develop. But I was also talking about editing along the way, not after everything is shot. So the temporary YES! image helps by creating a foundation from which to move.

    PATRICIA

    Great to see your images of DAH, also editing your work, and I love the ‘serious moment’ shot.

  • LISA,
    oh thank you, hmmm … unfortunately I cannot check it right now. I am travelling (assignment) and stupidly enough forgot to take my new webmail-passwords. So I can go online but I cannot check my mail… :(

    Can you post it here?
    Otherwise I will be back at home right after the workshop.
    Hmmm… I will see if I find a way to get to my passwords…

    BOB,
    thank you for your encouragement. I was originally thinking the same, thus that it would not matter what camera I took, as long as I take something like a camera. In fact I am mostly taking pictures with this little point-and-shoot cameras, as I always have them with me.
    I have not been seen as a serious photographer in Kenya because of the camera – which lead to some very nice pictures. But what I was afraid of is to give DAH the idea that I am not really taking this serious. I mean, Bob, it is not even the fact of it being a point-n-shoot, but you should look at that piece!!! It looks like 10 years in the ocean. They used to make these nice metal cases at Nikon’s even for the coolpix cameras. Nowadays it is just painted plastic. And the paint comes off way to easy, too. So it looks like straight from the waste-bin.

    I feel quite uncomfortable holding this under DAH’s nose…

    But well, if I do not get home before the assignment it will be just me, my two jeans and this camera. :)

    Audrey
    I loved your “Portrait” and … wow… the rest … no words right now! Please, please go on with this and my best regards to your father. I hope he recovers soon. So great that he trusts you in this and allows this openness. And thank you so much for charing!!!

    Patricia,
    thank you for charing your photos, thoughts and time with us, too. The insight is very helpful. I am thinking like a madman about a project I could pursue with David. It is always so different and so, so much more, when you have something specific to talk about and not mere abstraction….

    BOB …
    … just thanks again :)
    I am getting the jibbers (if there is such a thing, but it sounds right).

    Peace,
    L

  • LASSAL

    Can you use the technology (or lack of) to give another dimension to the surface of the images? Do your thing, but with the awareness of the medium?
    Everyone is insecure to a degree..I think it helps to embrace that as well, be vulnerable with your work..

    MARCIN

    What is that are you asking people to do..can you please remind me of the nature of the project? I don’t understand how you have 70 noes..

  • Nasha, I like totally!! I like your use of the format landscape and portrait…

    Rafal, I find your very interesting approach, your “empty” foreground and your “full” background, where we imagine this big city which swarms with world…

    Patricia, I think that you are creating a very “big” work…

    Lassal, thank’s, my parents are absolutely adorable persons…

  • Marcin,

    wybor jest latwy..albo cyfrowo albo wogole..wiesz dobrze jak jest z zonami…jak robilem na filmie to ciagle bylo be ze wyrzucam pieniadze…a tak nie ma wogole problemu.

    Audrey,

    thanks! Its a summer project most likely, something to occupy me a bit..I usually like to juggle a few projects so while Im still doing my main project Im dabbling in something very different

  • Oh Audrey, but it is I who am in awe of YOUR work!!! The gallery of photos of your parents is poignant, powerful and beautifully understated. A most significant body of work. I hope your father is doing better and will soon regain his good health.

    Patricia

  • Funny, a man named Richard, someone I photographed last week, snapped this photo yesterday of the little studio and just emailed it to me.

    Am still sitting..and am talking with a lovely man that I photographed a few days back about another man who had just left..the man who left is mentally unstable and was a bit in my face about the changes in the neighborhood. For weeks I had been considering asking him if I could photograph him or interview him, and my instincts said not to go there, but I didn’t listen to myself..you can see I regret my decision.

    What is amazing is that I am getting a pretty good selection of people who have been in the neighborhood for a long time, so now after 4 weeks of shooting, a lot of people who pass by are people who I have already shot, and my connection to the community is expanding.

    In black is the man who helped out yesterday, Tom. Here’s the image of a moment of regret..

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2713058975_9bdb1387e8.jpg?v=0

  • ERICA

    You are so right! I see it as the only way to deal with this camera on a good way.

    And I am trying to do so, too. But sometimes is just too much necessity, you see? For example I do very often HAVE to convert into black and white, if I want to save an image, that ended up with too much noise. Because that is the only way I know of I can turn this noise into something acceptable.

    There was this one day in Mosocho (Kenya), where we went to photograph families. And I knew it was no way for me to manage that because the skies were dark as night, there was no light inside the houses and no way to use flash. I told the other photographer that it was his turn and that I would pass this time. Of course standing there, I ended up taking some pictures, but I could not even see the results on the monitor, so dark were they.
    Then what happened?! The datachip of the other photographer got damaged and his version of the day was 100% gone. The only thing that was left were my little snaps and by converting them into b/w and adjusting a little I really still got something out of it. Not the perfect familiy-shots because I was aiming at other things but … well at least there were some people on here and there and not all was lost. But from that day on we had the colour series and the b&w series, which made things more complicated…

    Very often now I am into b&w BECAUSE of the camera. It should be because of the subject.
    I really love b&w… But sometimes it is wrong.

  • Damn Erica ,
    you look “hot” in red….
    ( sorry, i couldnt help it…:))) ),

    but. seriously , it looks like its so “easy”
    for you to connect with your “subjects”…
    peace

  • LASSAL,
    good luck,
    and dont worry too much…
    we ALL know that you are brilliant…
    Bob is right… many cameras out there BUT, ONLY ONE
    LASSAL…
    peace

  • Lassal,

    What is the camera you are using? I have an older Fuji p&s that is not being used at all, if it is better than what you have I’d be happy to send it to you for you to use during the workshop.

    Andrew

  • Erica

    I try several different ways to do it.

    When I talk with them they are mostly nice, but when I try explaine that I am photographer and I am working on some project/article/book/exhibition for magazine/newspaper/publisher/gallery ( all could be truth if future, many people asking about this project, but right now is not finished) they always stop smiling and mostly cover face like I try to take them pictures or hit them even if my camera was in bag. I ask old, young, couple, whole families.
    Belive me this is really hard town. This is not first time when I ask people for portraits in many places. Many times they said no, and many yes. But in this town when I walk with camera outside, poeple wathing me like wolfs who dont know that they should attack now or not.
    Three times I was attact and almost not loos my equipment by guys I even not shoot.

    Erica I know that I am guy and not too much nice mostly. Probably you and David bring from them many nice portraits, but I can do nothing there, even if I have not many problems in others places. I never said that I am good in interpersonal relationship, I have many huge problems with that (I am freak), but people mostly not refuse me.

    It always looks fuuny when their faces are changed when they hear: meybe I could take your pictures?
    Like I ask about their blood.

    Like I said, it is almost statistically impossible.

    I don’t know… mostly I shots some portsits and then I don’t use them after final edit. But For me without some portraits whole essay not exist. Probably I will not use it in this essay also.

    Good news is that I found one person (insaider like panos always said) who will help mi with this portraits.

    peace

    ps. When I took pictures of this two old mens, only one has agreed and help me convice this second guy… ha ha ha

  • MARCIN

    and what is the project?

  • Peace Panos.
    Hope you still say that AFTER you have seen some of my pictures.
    :)))
    You can bet I will ask you!

    Ok, I’ll go to Tuscany with my little troll and make some nice & revealling photos of the workshop so you all can see what went on. By the way, we are having 35°C in Frankfurt right now. I fear Tuscany is boiling at the moment.

    ERICA,
    I have missed your explanation about the project you are doing right now (These blogs would need some good seach functions…). Are you doing that alone? I mean, is there someone regularly with you when you are standing with all of your equipment on the street?

    Sometimes situations can get quite out of control…

  • Marcin,

    this sounds difficult… Have you tried to show them some samples of your work? Maybe they do not believe you to be who you say you are??

    Someone I know in Brazil always told people they could get famous if they were photographed by him… He said he got the darkest guys posing for him this way. :)

    Nothing I could do, though. I am never convincing if I am not convinced.

  • Marcin,
    this is pure (dark) poetry…

  • marcin luczkowski

    a, I forgot to mention, yes if was time to show my pictures I show. This is like my famili, they just do not want to be shooting.
    But of course it is my mistake. If I could be more like David and I have gift to open people it could be easer.

    but anyway meybe it all will change soon.

  • marcin luczkowski

    it should be:

    If I could be more like David and I could have gift to open people like he have it could be easer.

  • HELLO ALL….

    i have read all recent comments and would love to “jump in” , but alas, i must pack and go…now, i am in Ohio, somewhere near Cleveland i think and heading for the old house near Warren, where i used to make prints in the basement (next to a coal burning furnace!)..the seeming very unlikely place where i started my current family project exactly 50 years ago this summer…i did grow up mostly in Virginia, but did spend three years in Ohio…both places gave me fodder for the beginning of my work..

    yesterday was classic “road trip”…i had a terrific time with David M. and several hours later with Patricia…and i must say it was such a luxury to be able to look at their work, move pictures around, talk about motive and flow and just get their respective works down to a nice place for them to each move forward in their own way…all of us agreed that the “hands on” editing is so so so much more practical and flat out “easy” compared with trying to do it on line…some things really work well on line, but editing is not one of them!!!!

    David, many thanks again for the “film connection”…and i think the waiters at “Steak and Shake” will never quite understand what we we doing at that table moving little pictures around all over the table while they were trying to serve!!!

    Patricia, many thanks to you and Ed for allowing me to try to capture just a bit of your life…and for dinner and for just a lot of good energy!!! so much energy that we did not stop driving until 3am or so!!! please enjoy your time with Mary Ellen and tell us all about it…

    ok, i must go….back to New York by late this evening i think……my oh my, this is a big country!!! i always forget…or, maybe it just seems big bouncing along in a Jeep Wrangler!!!

    peace, david

  • Marcin,
    I do not know what you mean by “gift”, but a smile and some time to listen to individual worries and stories can be a most precious gift …
    Maybe a tea or coffe or beer to go with it would help…

  • LISA,

    by the way, if that was the reason for your eMail, I found a very good substitute present!
    Something completely different but of great help for him.

    So no need to worry!!!

    I understand perfectly that you need more time and that you want to have everything scanned in first, as you wrote. You have to feel comfortable, that is very, very important!

    I am writing this here because I will probably not get to my email in the next days and I want you to know that all turned out well.

    So.
    My clients just called. I have to go back to other things now.

    Best to all of you,
    Lassal

  • MARCIN

    You are in Wrocław, right? When I was in Poland last year, I looked into different places I might shoot after my little job that brought me over there (I ended up spending a couple of days shooting on the pilgrimage to Częstochowa). One place I had looked into was your area of Lower Silesia. This is just my thinking, for you to do with what you will..but it seems you may have an easier time of it if you picked a few themes to tell people you are working on. My experience is that it often isn’t enough to say you are a photographer, that you want to photograph someone for a broad topic. Just for example, you could find children of people who, during WW2 were in forced labor camps, or people who work in the railroad industry, or Roman Catholic parishioners at some of the oldest churches with history..just some quick thoughts, but you get the idea, and obviously you would find some slice of life that appeals to you. That way people understand why you are singling them out, and they may actually want to be seen.. My apologies if you were just expressing your temporary frustration and not looking for advice.

    DAH

    can’t believe you are are near the land of Cleve..wonderful shooting..we are meeting end of August, right? You mentioned you’d be back in NYC in July but I don’t think I am ready to show you anything, unless you say jump and i scramble for July…but I am fairly sure you mean August.

    LASSAL

    It’s bout half and half, when I can get help I do but if the weather is good and i am alone I do the set up without the 4×5. Honestly, it is an incredible pain in the butt to do alone, as I can’t walk away to ask people..

    Also, did you see the note to you from Andrew B that he has a camera he can lend you?

    PANOS

    :) I actually shy away from shooting in red, I believe in the psychology of color, you know they would never paint a psychiatric ward in red..when dealing with the masses I tend to wear white or pale blue or even light pink…it seems to calm and subdue, says i am non-threatening..but as i just got back from Ohio, I had to wear my mascot..

    gotta fly, back to work..a fantastic photographer is coming to help me shoot today, bless his heart.

    ..but this certainly was a nice morning off with you all xo

  • ANDREW,
    I almost did not see it, sorry, (thank you Erica).
    It is absolutely sweet of you, that you want to sent me your camera, thank you so much! The point is just, that i am moving around … no fix adress. And I would hate to have your camera lost somewhere “in translation”… :(((

    Maybe I manage to get home in time to get the proper camera. But … I am not that worried anymore. I kind of forgot that DAH reads this… so he knows now the “why”s and “how”s and that no disrespect of mine is intended.

    Thank you sincerely for your comments and support – I will find a way to make the best out of it :)
    It will be 14 hours in the train to get there. Plenty of time to think of a project – I hope…

  • Nasha, thanks for the insight into private “cells” which no doubt look little like the rest of the house where Dad and Mom rule…

    I am extremely curious of all the posters and hangings on the wall. A subject into itself. Some could be right out from any teenager’s bedroom anywhere (ubiquitous Che, Eminem), but what is maybe interesting is that they are all beyond teen years, I think. Stilted growth of some sorts, maybe, or not at all. Just thinking before really thining, s usual. Thanks.

    And Thanks, Patricia. David looks a little less frimpled than the last time I saw him. It was past 2AM, though, and he had been fighting for his right…. to party (not Patty…) all night!

    Off to work (it does happen sometimes)…

  • LASSAL;

    I understand the moving around…and it may be no better than what you have, it’s an older Fuji…but it is sitting unused, and if there is someone who is also going to the workshop with a more fixed address (DAH?) I’d be happy to send it them to bring for you….it is of little use to me anymore, and I will likely give it to a charity or school somewhere anyway…

    Anyway, best of luck, I am sure the workshop will be wonderful, no matter what you shoot with…

    A.

  • Thank you, David, and Mike for the roadside pit stop editing session. I’m looking forward to another month or so of shooting.

    Safe travels,

  • Erica

    I am always wide open for advices.

    There is only problem that I just need some faces. And I don’t want to lie, that I need for something else than just show inhabitants of my hometown. Many times They say “no” after long conversation. Sometimes I was really surprised. And I never insist. Maybe it is problem baceuse I am alone. Who trust alone guy.

    Many time I feel like I try to hurt them. This is really frustrated.

    All

    Some more advice? How you work with people?

  • PATRICIA

    your edit with DAH is beautiful, moving, intimate and personal – i love it. Your words about DAH were right on too. What David does here is truly special and unique. Working for NG and LOOK3 – I can tell you – there are very few photographers who would ever give up their time, patience and insight the way David does (infact, I can not think of another). He is extremely generous and encouraging to emerging and established photographers – and it is a true gift that he has. He is one of a kind… thank you for sharing your words and images. and i loved the photo of Micheal’s smiling face when he arrived at your house. gina

  • James Chance:

    Dropped you an email to info@…..

  • MARCIN –

    I like erica’s advice to narrow your subject and maybe that will help the people to open themselves to you. also the suggestion to meet them slowly – over tea, wine, etc and get them comfortable with you and maybe not ask them to pose – but just capture them in the moment. i know it is difficult. i struggle with this on the mexican buses as well. you just have to let your guard down, open yourself up, relax and push threw it. i think your work is dark, moving and mysterious – i dig it. just keep working it – it will come.

  • Marcin–

    I’m also doing some street portraits and I too am a guy who is alone. I’ve had great luck as far as people agreeing to let me photograph them. I’ve only had 2 or 3 people say no. But I pretty much get right to the point when I approach some one. I tell them that I’m a photographer and that I’m doing a series of portraits of people on the street and then tell them what a great portrait they would make. So far this has worked out very well. My problem has been once they agree, my nerves kick in. but that has definitely improved. I also am in New York City. People here may be more open to it than where you are. Erica also has given me really great advice about approaching people genuinely and from the heart and don’t take the “no’s” personally. And my favorite words from Erica… “take truckloads of brave photos.”

    Patricia–

    I love the new edit! The sequence really flows well and all of the photos are interesting. I’m so glad my favorite made the cut; the photo of your husband through the window. It’s a really lovely series. Can’t wait to hear about the workshop. If the Ulster County Fair were having a Demolition Derby instead of a lame Tractor Pull (said with contempt) I’d be up there with you!

    sl

  • Gina, Erica,

    The truth is that i had bad luck also.

    When I go there in may and so many people say “no”, few days ago some parents killed they three years old child, and then many polish tv journalist comes to my hometown to show this tragedy. People don’t want to be shooting because they some feel responsible.
    http://marcinluczkowski.com/photo/news/b6.jpg

    And I needed “insiders” because I try to show this more “dark” part of this town, but my insiders get some law problems and have to run away for border. And I loose my mobile phone with contacts to some others guys.

    but now will be ok. I have “insider” to young people and then it should go further.

    But All,

    Please don’t treat it, that I have any big problem with taht they don’t want to be shooting, or I take it on personally level. Like always I just want to shere, or rather inform that I have some problems.
    Haw to call it… in cold way.

    But I like learning so if you have some advice, feel free.

    ps. there is one old photographer who should help me but I just can’t meet him and I don’t know where he live.

  • Marcin,

    respectfully….
    i find it strange you find strange people dont want to be photographed by you.
    … i wont either.
    Why should i let a stranger enter my privacy?
    I think i’d behave exactly as those 70 did…
    Plus, you come from a country that experienced Communism, so people there are possibly even more suspicious…
    Honestly i dont think it’s a matter of being more like david (actually anyone can see he’s working hard on finding contacts, he’s not randomly knocking on doors), nor of smiling or being nicer. If you want to photograph people either you do that without their permission or you get yourself an access. Or you have to give them a very very good reason besides your own interests.
    Now i dont understand exactly what your project is. “My hometown” sounds like a very broad subject, is it portraits of people from your hometown?
    If i had to work on such a project i think i would start from my personal network, people i know, relatives, friends, neighbors, and then try to expand the network little by little. I’d also try to have access to some personalities (a jazz musician well known in town, a politician, an established photographer, to make some examples). I’m not talking about celebrities, just people who have achieved something in their fields, they can certainly be flattered more then a street guy. They usually know each other if it’s not so big a place so it shouldnt be difficult to switch from one to another. Then try to figure out who else could get something in return by being photographed by you. Shopkeepers for example, they could see some promotion for their business by being in a book or a magazine.
    In any case if you want to ask people in the streets permission
    to take a photo you have to feel confortable. If you feel uncomfortable and frustrated after a refuse then maybe that’s not the kind of photography you really want to do.
    Photographing shouldnt be a punishment i think, expecially when you’re doing it for your own pleasure.

    cheers

  • Guido

    I have very short time to do this essay. And please, I am not such frustrated. Maybe it looks like, but I am not at all.
    This is just for me starnge, because this is not first time when I work with people. Thats all.
    Cold stuff.
    And of course I understand this people. I remember when few yers ago some journalist ask me for pictures… and of course I said “no” ha ha ha

    ANNA

    I hope you are ok!

  • Holy cow, 5.8. No word of damage. You okay Anna?

  • Anna – are you ok? did you feel the quake? being from california myself (now live in DC) – i too have experienced a few… hope you and yours are ok.

  • marcin,

    i didnt mean you are frustrated, just suggested that people declining your invitation for a photo for 70 times in a row could raise some professional frustration…
    it would in me at least…

  • 29 miles from LA

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/shakemap/sc/shake/14383980/intensity.html
    http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/eqview/cgi-bin/makePublicView.php?EVID=14383980

    All is well + I have to admit I LOVE earthquakes. My first memory of one was when I was really little. My brother and I slept in the same room, though at opposite ends… His bed literally shook itself all the way across the room… he ended up right beside me.

    Additionally, I have a friend, who when little, wanted to sleep with her goldfish. Her Mom, for obvious reasons, would not let that happen. During that same earthquake, her goldfish flipped out of the bowl + landed in her bed. :)

    Sweet earthquake memories!
    I hope they always remain this good.

  • MCG, MARCIN, GINA

    Thanks for your concern!!

    Where’d you grow up, Gina?

  • ANNA! :))))..

    I too LOVE earthquakes…but the scared the shit out of me every time (i lived in LA for 4 years, 95-98)…i saw cnn, thankfully it wasn’t a monster, but here’s a story for you: the first time i was in an earthquake, i was literally doing something (you guys figure it out) with someone and the building started to shake and i thought: god damned, that is THE GREATEST ________ i’ve ever had, cause i thought i was going to faint…until i realized, my head wasn’t spinning but the earth! (for those who’ve never experienced an earthquake, it is an incredibly odd pyschic experience, especially when you see the buildings sway and almost buckle)…eventually, i got used to them (i think i went through 4 and 1 in Rhode Island (in 1989) if you can imagine…im happy y’all are ok…waiting for Panos Report :)))

    PATRICIA: love love love the new edit :))..David’s chosen some of the most beautiful…the 1st and last image have been among my favorites, and it’s clean, strong, cohesive/coherent and speaks (to me) better about who i imagine you are: …now, just wait until Harvey sends you the bill ;)))))))))…

    ERICA!…damn, girl…like im not gonna give you any more of my Mehta thoughts…to own not 1 but 2 gorgeous cameras,…come on girl, that’s some beautiful shit you got going on there (love the background against the brick on the street…and dig too, alot, the red T :)) )….and we’re struggling to buy film ;))))))))))…and M talking about wanting a rollei or hasselb….anyway, i cant wait to see the result :))))

    MARCIN: man, i dont think there is ever a forumulat to get people to listen/be photogrphed…i mean, i’ve generally had success, but usually cause i photo people who feel comfortable with me, or i’ve approached them in a way that doesnt make the photography the priority…but, shit, there are times when no one, i mean no one, wants to be pict’d…in fact, i remember being in NY with marina on our honeymoon and marina shooting a guy, asking a guy, and then he went biserk on her, screaming, chasing, bullshit stuff…anyway…dont give up really, my friend…what’s wrong with going into a bar, drinking with people, making friends and going from there…even with a time line: 1 or 2 people can open the world ;)))…but i feel you :)))…there really is no real solution, except to be yourself and open and eventually someone will agree…and that person will cause a chain :)))

    cant wait to see what you do with all that new film :)))))

    ok, running
    b

  • Anna,
    it just came in the news here in Germany.
    Hope all is fine with you.
    Give us a quick note as soon as possible, ok?

    Andrew,
    thank you, it will surely be nice to have a backup. And maybe Carlo – who runs the place in Tuscany – would like to keep it for further use? I can imagine that things sometimes break at the least appropriate time… But only if you really think it is worth the trouble.

    I am attached to my Nikon Coolpix S10 because of the monitor that goes 180°. That turned out to be of quite some value for me. Unfortunately they do not make this camera anymore – I called every single store here and whatever I could find online … nothing… I even spoke to “Nikon” to see if they had any “leftovers”. Nothing there either. Unfortunately these S10 do not get very old. It is my 3rd. They just get slower and then, one day, they fall asleep. Nobody here wants to repair them because they say it is not worth the hassle.

    I now ordered 2 via ebay, used but refurbished. From the US. The only offer I could find at all. They do not want much money so I wonder what I will get. They will hopefully arrive soon (from the US) as my little S10 is showing first signs of sleepyness already.
    That is what is really bothering me because I just love this little camera despite all the noise it creates.
    ****

    A friend just called me while I was writing this post. He does not have a S10 but something similar. I will pass at his place tonight to pick it up.

    So Andrew, I am well taken care of with point &shoots now…
    But thank you sooo much, really!
    If you still want it for Carlo, then tell me, otherwise I really liked the Charity/school-Idea. ;)

    So helpful people around this blog…

  • Bob

    As usual I make some experiments. But the hell, I have no idea like my work will looks like at the end. Maybe it will be one big shit or maybe some good stuff.
    But mostly when I use my instinct, not my knowledge, I have some good pictures….
    and many usless… ha ha ha
    I am only worry about processing this films right now.
    But will be good! My wife untestand so everything will be fine.
    I must finish this essay because I have some others ideas to start.
    I still thinking how to push further my “trans” project.
    This project make me pain, because first time I really screw up. Whole stuff.
    But maybe some in future will happen. I am not give up.
    peace for all.

  • ANNA – glad you are ok. I was born and raised in Northern California – Oakland/SF area. And incase anyone cares – that makes me a DIE HARD Oakland RAIDERS fan! I lived there 28 years – then moved to DC 12 years ago (yes, just turned the big 40!). I go “home” often too – all of my family is still there…

    BOB – your earthquake story is priceless!

  • MARCIN :)))

    my friend, i have no doubt that your experiments will be absorbing, beautiful and exciting for all of us…I remember when you said your Morocco photos were all shit ;)))))))..yea, some shit indeed ;)))))…

    what can we do: instinct :))))…im waiting to see the result from Hometown :)))..

    ok will write you later in week (been crazy time)…i will send you our address too :))…but only as friends :))))…not for other stuff )))…unless you’re sending me Polish Vodka :)))))))

    running
    hugs
    b

  • GINA :))))…

    AND TRUE!…but, i’ve been discreet ;))…no names, no behaviors ;)))…but, like Ana, I will also have fond memories of my first LA shake (so to speak :) ))..

    cant wait to see the Mexi-Bus trip too :)))

    running
    bob

  • Guido,

    I am never frustrated by professional way, because failure is part of this job. Sometimes I take it personal when I something screw up (comment above). And some stituation make me sad (like stupid agression when I work on hometown).
    But I star working as a photographer because contact with people, interpersonal relationshis is something very hard for me, something unnatural. But I like this hard stuff. I am doing it becauyse This Is Hard.
    and this “hard” make me happy.

    Guido

    I like your pictures. There are very interesting at visual way. Like from art book. Very nice!

    peace

  • Bob,

    Did you ever drink Zubrowka?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubrowka

    Our export hit. With apple juice… ummm… heven!

    But if you want something strong, something for men, come to poland I will teach you how polish highlanders drink all night sea of vodka and they walk stright.

    ;)

  • LASSAL

    I’ve not heard of any significant damage — Fortunately, we just got a good dose of shaking up. Kick some butt in this workshop! Your heart makes the pictures, not your camera. We’ll be rooting for you!

    BOB

    Your story was hilarious! HA! Yes, I absolutely dig it when the visual landscape morphs with the stretch and pull of the earth. Jeeze, I can’t even begin to describe this with words — It’s simply fascinating to watch.

    GINA

    Yes, bring it on… !

  • GINA

    Welcome! It’s so good to have you join us here. You have already offered gifts aplenty…one of them being your affirmation of DAH and my edit of my Self-Portraits/Daily Life project. Thanks so much. I’m feeling good about our choices as I spend today printing the 11×16.5 prints to take to MEM’s workshop this weekend.

    You and I have lots in common. I was born and raised in the DC area for my first 24 years. Then after 30 years here in the Detroit area I started spending 3-6 months a year subletting apartments in the Mission District of SF. Did so from 1996-2002. My dear husband Ed would stay home in Detroit and I’d go “do my thing.” Nothing bad, it was just that I had to be in the Bay Area. It was where I belonged. I expect you understand. Then in 2002 I was ready to stay in Detroit year-round again. Life is such an adventure when you follow your passion…

    Patricia

  • PATRICIA – and to add to that a lot of my extended “italian” family lives in the detroit area… small world.

  • Anna

    I love your pictures. They are simple and beautiful.
    And your selfportaits! You and Aga are the best!

  • MARCIN :)))

    don’t know it…but (hopefully my wife and friends are reading this now ;))) i LOVE polish vodka (prefer it actually)…i know, sin sin sin ;)))…but, deal: we will at some point/some year visit poland with marina (ive been there), you can turn us into vodka sailors :))))…

    ANNA :))))…that’s it…how does one ever explain that, the stretch and pull as quiver of the mind and eye…no way, but to experience it for itself :))))…SAFELY :))

    ok, running
    b

  • PATRICIA

    This edit of yours made me feel WHAT I WAS CRAVING TO FEEL the first time you requested feedback on this project! These ten pictures reveal the perfect amount of struggle (and make my eyes well up). Second time you’ve almost brought me to tears, young lady — You had the same affect on me when you thanked me for my initial feedback not too long ago. Well done!!

    MARCIN

    It means so much hearing these words from YOU, my dear.

    I don’t know jack diddly about contemporary painting, but always receive email updates from a gallery in NYC who represents artists whose work is reminiscent of Ola’s. I’m thinking it might be a good idea for Ola to create a relationship with these guys:

    http://www.lehmannmaupin.com/

  • The Ulster County fair’s in New Paltz,isnt it? I’d take a drive over there and see it if I didnt have to work all week.

  • Anna

    Did you know someone in this gallery?
    You see creating relationship with gallery by unkonown artist is very difficult if not impossible.
    They mostly not read emails from without some support.
    But many many tanks for your words and link. :)))

  • MARCIN

    I do not know anybody at this gallery and do understand that it is very difficult to get the attention of these gallerists. If Ola ever promotes her work (by sending out cards or whatever painters do!), I’m simply suggesting that she include these people on her list. You never know…

    Anna B.

  • All,

    just want to apologize – I made myself be misundrestood… I think … with the camera-problem.

    I have a D200 at home which makes nice pictures but is way to heavy for me to carry around the whole day. I get fantastic back pain by doing so and thus I carry a little point&shoot around me the whole day until maybe one day I will get me a little&light leica M8 ;D.

    But the workshop would have been an event for the D200 all right. She just makes better quality pictures. I was not worrying too much about it though, until I spoke to a friend yesterday, who is photographer too (advertising) and he said straight forward that he wonders if David would not think it as insulting if I come with that piece of junk I use as a camera on a day2day basis … That is what set it going. And over the night the thought just grew in my mind. It was not about the quality I was worrying, but about how it would be percieved by DAH.

    Of course it is the photo that counts… But I have no photos to show. Even my website is empty, empty, empty … So they cannot speak for themselves … I just have to check if I have anything on my notebook which I have with me.

    ok. Thanks everybody for straightening my head out. ;) At least until David ripps it off in Tuscany because of this idiotic discussion I started here …

    ANNA
    great you are fine!!! ;)

    MARCIN
    please post more of your hometown-work if you have any. This dark poetry of yours … I find it extremely strong. Maybe you should look for a galerist outside your place… I have a friend here who is publicist. A well known one. It is just an idea but I would like to show him your work … Meeting him in the 2nd half of August or beginning of September, depending on my own work here… It is just a shot – do not know if it leads anywhere… But if one shoots a lot, I am sure one hits something eventually!
    Ok?

    Peace!

  • LASSAL

    Haven’t you made lots of books?? I’m sure David would be interested in seeing more of them.

    Anna B.

  • marcin,

    thanks for looking….
    It’s old work, photographs taken many years ago when i used to shoot colour. Only recently again i made a few velvias but for more than ten years i’ve shot b/w only. So far i have no money for a good scanner so i can’t show anything else. Pity, since you went to Morocco recently, and i saw some nice color pictures of yours, i would have liked you to see my b/w morocco photographs…
    Hopefully at the end of the summer i’ll finally buy a scanner.

    I’ll try to find that polish vodka you recommend….i like vodka though these hot days i only drink pastis. Does any of you yankees know what pastis is?

    good night

  • By the way MARCIN,
    I heard Julian Schnabel tell the story of how he got … was it his first show or gallery or Museum? … I do not remember but it does not matter anyway. Almost everybody is unknown at the beginning and shares the same problems in one or another way. So what he did was to send the guys who were evaluating the proposals some food for lunch (I think it was a sandwich) and put his slides in it. I forgot the details but they do not matter. You just have to be creative! They do not read emails, ok… There are other ways. At the end fact is that galleries need good material. And if you offer good material … ?!
    What is the worst that could happen?! Not much. Just try again.

    I do not know if it is really how it is, but the impression you give me when I read some of your entries often is, that you expect a negative outcome and thus maybe you do not give it a try. I might be misunderstanding you completely, but … that sometimes is my impression. And looking at your work this REALLY MAKES ME MAD! Yes, because I think it deserves to be shown to a wider audience.

    Ever read Paul Watzlawick?! Especially the story with the hammer… I think of it so often when I read your posts.
    Marcin! Please!! Your work is just soooo good.
    We all know that. I hope you do too… Please never give up before you have not at least tried 10001 times. Not even then. Please.

  • Anna…

    yes, you are right, but they are at home with my D200 ;)

    And they are more arty, too… Less of what this blog is about.

    The one book that David found interesting, he has got that one already from me. But that is old work.

    Well, I will just have to hurry with new work in T.

  • I suppose, living in SF, I get easily passed the dozens of little tremors we feel year on, but once you’ve been thru a big one, like I did in 89, you never get used to the ominous possibility anymore, when you feel not just a tremor, but something like a wave, which could as easily move buildings as tide move the surface of an ocean .

    To me, that is the closest experience I can relate to people who have to live in fear of something/someone about to strike which they can’t control. Awful.

    I hope I have moved out of SF before the next big one, which they say should be on the scale of the 1906 one. That’s twice the power of the one we had in 1989 (6.9 then). But then, if I am still here, I’ll have found finally an essay I can stick to!

    :-)

  • ALL

    As I’ve spent the day printing out my ten images in–for me–large size (11×16.5″), I’ve been checking the conversations going on here. Fascinating insights, sharings, questions, responses. I’ve been most gratified by your responses to the edit DAH and I did last night. Thanks so much for taking the time to check it out.

    DAVID

    Rather than try to play phone tag, let me just say that the pleasure was all ours. And a bit of help with gas $$ is the least I could do. You are so generous in sharing your time and expertise that you deserve all the support we can give.

    Regarding how I will feel about Mary Ellen Mark’s review of my portfolio–whether positive or negative–I’ve come to an entirely new place with that. Of course I will listen closely and learn all I can from her, but I now feel so RIGHT about this edit that no one could change that. There’s an organic integrity to the ten images we chose that truly reflects who I am at this time in my life. And I very much feel it was a collaborative effort, that we both entered into it, so it is not YOUR edit, it is OUR edit. I own it too.

    I look forward to hearing MEM’s perspective not just on my work but on all fifteen of the workshop participants. There will be much to learn I’m sure. It’s just that I no longer NEED her opinion to feel good about my work. You, my friend, in your honest assessments have given me all the confidence I need. And I am deeply grateful to you for that.

    Now I know just where I want to go with this project…and I WILL go there. I promise you that.

    Our love to you and Mike,

    Patricia

    P.S. Please tell Mike I figured out why I was having trouble managing the color on my printer. It was due to some post-processing I’d used on the images. Once I went back to the originals, all was well. But please thank him for checking it out for me. What a dear man!

  • MARCIN

    I understand that you are not too frustrated, so this isn’t me thinking you are in trouble, rather, hoping to answer your last post to me, in which you say you are open to advice and ask how I work with people..

    You say you ‘just need some faces’..and I get that, but you don’t need to lie to follow my suggestion to pick a few areas of interest and to look for faces that way. If I were you, I would ask myself, what is it about the people in my hometown that I find characteristic, different, striking, unusual, compelling? What makes the people in this hometown a little different from a hometown of, say, Los Angeles, California? And what aspect of these faces do I want to show? The effect of years of needing to be protective, cautious? The challenges that come from working in an industrial area? The weight that comes from living a ‘dark’ life? When I understood what I was drawn to, I would ask myself, who might ‘wear’ these traits in their eyes and on their faces..railway workers, labor camp survivors? Those are the ‘narrow’ topics that you can fish from. It isn’t a lie..this is what you want to show, and these are the people you are genuinely interested in…these are the people and faces that matter to you (once you picked them).

    I promise you, that if someone just needs faces and they communicate that (with or without words) to the people they ask, the odds are going to be significantly reduced at getting people to agree. Most people (people who aren’t bored, egotistical, hoping to be discovered, innocent and open, or wanting something in return) need to feel that they are giving of themselves because it matters somehow.

    This is a very different example from what you might encounter, but maybe applicable.. shooting today, there were 3 teenagers, and they were immediately defensive about me wanting to photograph them. They started with the ‘watch out, you have no idea who this chick is, what she will do with your image, you can’t trust her’ talk. Still, I could sense that one kid was open to being photographed, but that he was in a trap of peer pressure, and he went into play acting, mugging for the camera, moving my chair around, acting in a fairly ridiculous manner. After talking to the negative ringleader, telling him that if he had concerns about my motives he could ask me, I stopped the kid who was goofing around and told him that this wasn’t a joke for me. If he wanted to participate, he needed to respect the process and appreciate what I was trying to do. I took the seat from him and told him to go, if he couldn’t..He pulled himself together, said..’so this is like your art?” and I said yes, exactly like that..and he sat so patiently and beautifully and powerfully for me, and the other kids were quiet and waited. What I am trying to say is that because he felt that he could contribute to something that mattered (if only to me), the whole energy of the situation changed. It takes a lot of work sometimes to meet the situation with the appropriate response, and yes, interpersonal skills, but finding the connection with people that I would otherwise not have had is a great experience that enriches my life.

    God this is getting long, I apologize.

    On a practical note, in response to your point that you are a guy alone, and who would trust you..a couple of ideas: keep the camera in clear view, and ask right away, not after a long conversation. Make yourself the vulnerable one..approach 2 guys together, and ask to photograph both of them. They won’t fear you. Or ask really big strong guys! Or, make yourself vulnerable by explaining why this is important to you, and how grateful you would be for their help..I wish you were here today when I followed someone for 2 blocks and basically begged him to help me out. I totally understand that people are constantly going out on a limb for what? me..that’s so intensely beautiful, and I make sure that they understand that I appreciate them dearly.

    Keep up the beautiful poetry..

  • Hey, Patricia, tell us what is it that David brought into the edit, and made you aware of, that you couldn’t before? That would be really relevant information.

    Or, to pose the same question from another angle, just imagine what would it have taken you to get to this edit, without David?

    That may point something to those here who have to do it alone until David comes their way (eventually he does, unless it’s on Mars!).

  • erica–

    you brought tears to my eyes and made me fall in love with you.
    I can’t wait to see the photo of that boy…

    :))

    k.

  • can someone provide me with the link to patricia and DAH’s edit?
    i don’t have the time now to go through all these comments but would like to see.

    thanks!
    hope you’re all well.
    will catch up soon,

    katia

  • oh! and DAH – i just got ‘Cuba’ from the seattle public library!!!
    i’ve never seen it and i can’t wait to curl up with it tonight.
    my heart is racing, hah!! :)))

  • HERVE & ALL

    OK, I’m going to try to put words to what was obviously, for David anyway, an organic process. After having seen him in action I think I’d have a much better chance of doing this myself in the future, but until last night I was utterly clueless.

    So, physically, he first goes through the 4×6″ prints, discarding the ones that either don’t fit the theme or are not artistically strong. Sometimes I’d ask why a particular image was relegated to the discard pile. In every case he’d point out problems with light, composition or such. In some of those cases he’d give me suggestions as to how to retake this photo in a more effective way.

    As he went through the pile of possible images, occasionally he’d lay one face-up on the table. Then another and another. As he did so, he’d group the photos according to tone, shapes, mood, but not, as far as I could tell, according to content. He had three sections going–a beginning, middle and end. The weakest were in the middle with the strongest at the end and the beginning. He stressed the importance of having a strong beginning and a strong ending.

    Then he started getting more and more rigorous in his choices. Occasionally he’d discard one he liked because there was another that was similar but, in his opinion, stronger. It was at this point that we started talking about my intentions, ideas, motives for making this particular work. And where it might go, how it could evolve.

    The photos in the center–in my case there were eight of them–were more about where this project might be going than where it was right now. The group at the beginning–there were five of them–and the final group–again, five images–were where the project was now, what my original intent had been. They also had a cohesive sense of aesthetic. They looked well together.

    It was at this point that I suggested we set the middle eight aside and just look at the ten best. As soon as we did that, it was like the whole thing came together. For the first time I could see what was going on with this work. I also saw the bar I had to meet with future images.

    As far as I could tell, David sequenced almost intuitively. It was artistic, aesthetic choices, not having anything to do with telling a story. In fact he told me it was a common mistake to try to do a linear sequencing, ie., A followed by B followed by C, etc. It was all about flow, about relationship, about artistic sensibility, not about story. Any story would make itself known in more subtle ways, especially if we stayed clear in our focus and motives…all of which would probably change as the project progressed.

    But when we were done with the edit, it was obvious. We could see and feel the rightness of it all. And we’re holding the middle section aside for later. We’ll see if those images become integral to the whole as things move forward.

    By the way, David stood over the table during this entire process, like a dancer. And it WAS a dance. A beautiful thing to watch and to enter into.

    I hope this is helpful. And, David, please correct me if I’ve misrepresented any of it. Thanks for asking this question, Herve.

    Patricia

  • KATIA

    Patricia’s tight edit is here

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/daily_life

    And, you are so sweet..you know teens like no other..and I appreciate that you get that my intention was to connect with this boy..after we were done, I found out his name is Hollywood..and I think our exchange gave him a chance to express a vision he has of himself, and he did it with complete honesty and integrity. He started with mirrored glasses and crossed arms, and ended up letting me in completely, sigh…

  • Oh Erica, I am deeply moved by you, what you are doing, and the encounter you described with the teens today. You are so obviously doing what is yours to do, making a difference to the neighborhood, not just with your photos, but with your presence. You are one gutsy woman and I love you for it. What a book this will be!!!!

    BTW if any one wants to see DAH’s edit of my work, simply click on my name.

    Patricia

    P.S. Erica, I adore the photo!

  • god, i can just so fully feel the moment, erica.
    i know this experience.
    it’s breathlessly beautiful.

    you make me want to hop on a plane to NY and assist you.
    just to be near you.
    just to watch you in that flow of falling in love with yr subjects.
    which i have no doubt you do.
    because, my sister, it shows.

    (((((big hug)))))

  • ERICA,

    Go Buckeyes!!!!…Thanks for sharing this story about these young teenagers… I have only briefly met you Erica but it does not take long to see that you genuinely care for others…I am sure your subjects get that right away…Your portraits are a perfect reflection of the inner Erica!!!!

    PATRICIA,

    Thanks also for sharing in such details your evening with David and the editing process that the two of you went through… I remember David saying on the blog long time ago that he could fix anybody’s portfolio within 10 minutes…Quite fascinating indeed to see this and a pure joy to watch that process in the workshop that I attended. What you shared brought me a lot of good memories!! I have to say that the two of you have done a very nice edit! Well done and I am sure MEM will appreciate…

    CATHY,

    Well, I am going….Leaving mid-day tomorrow. Booked a hotel so I am almost on my way…Not sure if this boxing tournament will end up interesting or not and might be screwing up very few days that I have left this year but what’s the heck….I have to give it a shot… Will be off for the next 3-4 days…Hopefully, will have a few interesting images to bring back to complete this essay….

    ANDREW,

    Will have to find another time to meet. My apologies for disappearing while you are actually in twon. I am sure we will meet soon.

    Cheers,

    Eric

  • YEA ERIC!!!

    I’m so glad your heart/passion won over your head/common sense!!! I feel in my bones that this is going to be a breakthrough for you and your young boxers. Can’t wait to see what happens…

    Patricia

  • ERIC
    No apologies necessary…you have a wonderful opportunity for your project, you must follow it. I wish you good shooting, if you return by Sunday and have some time, give me a call on my cell.

    PATRICIA
    What more can I add to what has already been said…a wonderful, intimate look inside your life…interesting in hearing you describe DAH’s advice about the story not being linear…I certainly felt the story reveal itself as I was going throguh the slides. And a great job capturing the visit as well :)

    A.

  • patricia–

    i like how you do not show your disability so literally.
    it’s very subtle and reveals itself slowly and mysteriously.
    that’s what holds my attention.
    awesome edit.

    it makes me think…
    often the photos i go back to most
    are the ones that i don’t quite understand.
    that slowly reveal things to me instead of hitting me
    over the head with what they want to say.
    i guess i am trying to reconcile that with my own work
    which is very literal. perhaps some works just needs to be so.
    but i’m glad you did not go that route.
    it would not have been nearly so strong as it is.

    keep going babygirl! :))

  • LASSAL…

    i could care less about what camera you bring to Tuscany…it does not matter to me at all as long as you are comfortable …i would be very happy with a workshop full of students all shooting with disposable cameras…

    also, you cannot be to “arty” for me!!! on this forum there is a “leaning” towards pure documentary, but i am open to way way more than linear essays…Bob, and Kyunghee Lee and you are certainly not “documentary” in the traditional sense and please go as far as you want in the direction you want…as a matter of fact, my job is to take you even further than you ever realized you wanted to go..

    in Tuscany i will first try to find out what you want, who you are…then we look at the work..then we talk…then we think…then you will get “into the zone” as never before!!!!

    see you soonest….

    cheers, david

  • KATIA…

    so nice to hear from you…i am always wondering what you are doing and how the kids are and just how you are organically moving along with your project….

    are you in any position now to show us a new link of work?? (or did i miss one?? hope not)..

    i will go to Italy this weekend, but when i return a week later, i will probably head for the west coast…i am not 100% sure i will be in your neighborhood, but i will stay in touch with you….

    PATRICIA…

    i think you did a very nice job , accurately describing our editing session…

    the only thing i would add, not subtract, from your “réportage” is that i do very much care about “content”…but the content can come in many forms..i.e. not every picture has to “tell a story”…some do , some do not, but together they give us a “feeling” a sense of “belonging” or just “sensitize” us …content can often best be represented by the “sum”…and, as in films, novels, etc, sequence does not have to be linear either…almost never does any really good story follow it’s time or “logical” sequence…even a pure sequential story like “Titanic” is best told using flashbacks, etc….a “straight telling” of that story could even make that dramatic tragedy “boring” from a “storytelling” point of view

    in your essay the content is quite clear from the beginning…a “given”…so you have more freedom than most to totally explore explore explore the aesthetic side…you and i spoke of some very specific subject matter (like the bike) which obviously has “content” written all over it..but, now you can fly fly with how you want to deal with this..you definitely have your “base of the pyramid”…now climb to the top!!!

    Mike and i just arrived in New York..Mike dropped me in front of my building and flew like the wind to be with his girlfriend Maya…i think i will give that boy tomorrow off!!!

    Again Patricia and Ed, many thanks for your hospitality…

    hugs et al, david

  • Patricia

    In addition to being a photographer, you are quite gifted in your ability to use words to describe in detail a very complex process. We all owe you many thanks for your in-depth account of your editing session with David.

  • ERICA…..

    i loved your letter to Marcin..so well put…and i agree completely with your approach…i use the same…to let people know your INTENT and COMMITMENT and then do everything to treat them with the RESPECT they deserve…and most people do deserve respect…and even those who you (we) may not quite, in your initial opinion “deserve” as much as someone else, i suggest going in like a soft laser light and try to find that one little gold nugget of humanity that is in even the toughest of the tough souls..

    i do hope to see you this week….

    cheers, david

  • JAMES
    meant to ask you a question about your macau piece (which I like much, btw…I found myself lost along with you, becoming comfortably numb)…

    Anyway, forgive me if this is a silly question, but I am curious….I think you mentioned you shot this over a week or so, is that right? Or was it less? How many images did you have in order to get to your final edit?

  • Well, Patricia, I am glad I asked, this was a masterful expose of David’s input and modus operandi, one of them at least. David, lesson learnt on content and non-linearity.

    James Chance, I went to see your essays, on top of the Macau one.

    http://www.jameschance.com/

    You asked our pick as a JC portfolio. We cannot choose for you, really, trust your guts.

    I think in the TB/HIV in Cambodia, #6 and #11 are breaking the flow of your reportage. Too artful?

    It’s a difficult subject to bring out. It has been done often, in Cambodia too, saying this is of course much unfair towards what you achieved, some superb shots, very much your own, simple yet potent, still I think such story stands now on journalistic terms more than photographic. Which is of course the opposite of what we could say of “Macau”, with livingwtdead squarely in between.

    Tough choice, but we should not pity you, with such an embrassment of riches!

  • BOB/MARCIN:
    Sorry for being a kibbitzer, but you mentioned Żubrówka… it has a special place in my heart (or liver.) I spent an evening once in a Kazimierz bar sampling vodka and it was a revelation. Some tasted like bitter roots, some like walnuts and strawberry, and one like honey, if I remember correctly… but my favorite was the buffalo grass… I need to know the secret of the Górale… that night, after the vodka and a pork knuckle I stumbled back to the hotel… no ocean of vodka, just a small pond.

    I am raising my wee glass of Soplica Staropolska to you both now…

    MARCIN:
    I’ve been reading your posts about problems finding subjects…. I just wanted to say that I think it makes no difference. What I mean to say is you have a very distinct photographic voice, a gift… we can hear it… your intuition will give you photographs, not people, and that is all that matters. Trust your eye, and your voice… hold onto the stress only if you need it.

    My too-brief conversations with Erica have been incredibly helpful to me (thank you, Erica!!) and her advice is clear and wise and true… in my case she is reading Shakespeare to a chimpanzee… a testament to her patience and generosity… and my limits, but I know good advice when I hear it… listen to her!!

    I have no advice for you… jestem wulgarnym dziwolągem i habniebnym klaunem, zrobiłem zdjęcie bezczelnie i bez grzechu. If that makes any sense. I recommend my practice to no one.

    PATRICIA:
    Thank you so much for you words and your pictures. I have nothing to add to the above, just my voice saying thank you for the description of the editing process with david and, of course, for your essay. Have a wonderful time at the workshop!!

    HERVE:
    I wanted to ask you about what you thought about Robert Frank…. yes i don’t think he made history with mood (many thoughts) but i wonder how you thought he did make history… out of gas to write more….

    ANNA:
    I glad to hear you are safe.

  • ANNA,
    I’m also glad to hear you are safe!!!…

  • ANNA,
    just kiddin’…
    i could care less about “SAFETY”…
    peace

  • Panos,
    How are you doing???

  • ANNA…ALL…

    Arrived in San Diego last night. Got here just in time for the earthquake today. I was sitting in a chair waiting to get my hair cut and suddenly the building felt like it took a sharp slide to the right, then a less sharp slide back left. The woman next to me screamed “What is that?” …before it became evident.

    The funny part is that most of the others in the hair salon with us felt NOTHING! They asked us what we were smoking.

    ERIC…
    Great that you’re going. I know that feeling of committing and then wondering if the whole thing is going to be a bust but no matter what happens, going always beats sitting home wondering what you’re missing out on! SOMETHING good will come out of it.

    LASSAL…
    Have a great time. Can’t wait to hear about it.

  • Mike…,
    nevermind about me,…but,
    true story.. my best friend and tech “guru”,
    RYAN SHARIF,
    was trying to call his wife ( and two lovely babies :)))))) ),
    from Santa Monica,
    to lovely Chino Hills… few miles from their home…
    but in vain… for quiet some time there was no signal !!!..
    He almost freaked out… but everything went out fine…
    MORE THAN FINE.. for a 5.8 !!!! ??? :((((((((
    peace

  • song for the evening :

  • Natalie Merchant

    San Andreas Fault lyrics

    “…Go west
    Paradise is there
    You’ll have all that you can eat
    Of milk and honey over there


    You’ll be the brightest star
    The world has ever seen
    Sun-baked slender heroine
    Of film and magazine

    Go west
    Paradise is there
    You’ll have all that you can eat
    Of milk and honey over there

    You’ll be the brightest light
    The world has ever seen
    The dizzy height of a jet-set life
    You could never dream

    Your pale blue eyes
    Strawberry hair
    Lips so sweet
    Skin so fair

    Your future bright
    Beyond compare
    It’s rags to riches
    Over there

    San Andreas Fault
    Moved it’s fingers
    Through the ground
    Earth divided
    Plates collided
    Such an awful sound

    San Andreas Fault
    Moved it’s fingers
    Through the ground
    Terra cotta shattered
    And walls came
    Tumbling down

    O promised land
    O wicked ground
    Build a dream
    Tear it down

    O promised land
    What a wicked ground
    Build a dream
    Watch it fall down…”

  • Panos,

    Not for nothing… what can we count on? The earth underneath our feet… phone service…. the next thing you know, they will stop making tri-x.

    Glad to hear all is well with you and Ryan and family.

  • more melodies:

  • ANNA

    Thanks for link I saved it.
    We were send many invitation to several galleries in Europe. Now she have to just work because she have some exhibition in good gallery in Poland and on art market in Berlin.
    She have deal with good polish gallery.
    we’ll see.
    It should grow up.
    We work on it.

    GUIDO

    Scanner?!
    This is one of most needed thing for me now. Like most of us photography on films killing me. I am thinking how to cut cost, I have links to lomo shop with cheep films, and now I have to get money for scanner. and the funny thing when I spend 2000 $ for scanner it will be cheapest way.
    So I perfectly understand you.
    And you make me curious!!
    Please find the way to show me your b&w photos, and this from morocco especially!

    and try zubrowka, it have unusual soft taste with apple juice. One part of vodka two parts of juice.

    LASSAL

    I am thinking and working on exhibition. I don’t know yet it will be “hometown” when I will finish or my color “haiku” from many places. I send invitation to my website to best gallery (sole) in Poland. They say I have “nice” work, but this is good direction. I just have to close some body of work. And I will remind about me soon. Maybe they will offer some little exhibition. If my hometown will be look enough “art” I will try to find art gallery in my town for exhibition.
    And about your friend publicist, This could be great idea for me. I’ll try finish “hometown” soon maybe next week. So it could be really great.
    From one side I understand why I have so many rejected, I am conscious that my photography is not bad, but also I see that my work have many blanks. I just need more work.

    ERICA

    Dear Erica, you are the best teacher of portrait photography. I will save all of your words as a best advice. But I can work on my “hometown” just one day more. I have no money to go there for long time. That why I am happy I have “insider”, it will go faster. Should be good. Next week processing.
    You helping all of us!

    MIKE

    I love when you write in polish and your words jestem wulgarnym dziwolągem i habniebnym klaunem it suits to me perfectly!! How you know how I feel????
    ;))))

    All

    Thanks for this inspiring chat and for all good words and great advices. Must running to take some pictures. The weather is great. Tonight I will work on new dark stuff “the caves”. I have idea but no idea how to realize it.

  • DAH and EVERYONE:

    A possible publishing opportunity has presented itself regarding the immigrant story I did a few months back.

    The editor has made a preliminary edit and has requested I add some photos providing more of a sense of place (Barcelona), so I have been working on that.

    The photo essay will go up for an editorial board meeting projection shortly, so I’d like to do whatever I can to improve my chances of publication by filling any gaps I can in a weeks time.

    If any of you see any obvious gaps in the story or have any suggestions, I’d really appreciate hearing your thoughts either here in the blog or preferable with a direct email to me at: charlie@charliemahoney.net. This helps me tremendously as I receive emails on my phone, but going to the blog this week is going to be a challenge with all I have to do.

    In order to see the story, which is about sub-Saharan migrants living in Spain, go to http://www.charliemahoney.net, then click on ‘Portfolios’ and then ‘Spain: Living in the Shadows’.

    I hope to hear from some of you all, as any advice helps. Thanks in advance.

    all the best,
    Charlie
    http://www.charliemahoney.net

  • MARCIN,
    I think I’ve said it before, but say it again. Try http://digitalcopy24.de/
    They scan with either Hasselblad Flextight X5 or Nikon Coolscan 5000/9000 at a very good price point. I myself recently got a Coolscan V and it works great, but of course can’t do medium format.
    Feels good getting back to film though!

    Cheers

  • Martin

    Yes I remember but paying in euro will kill me completly. 5 euro is for me 16 zloty. If it is for one frame… just Suiside.
    If I not work on 6×7 format I could buy coolscan V but now when I just loved working on medium 9000 is only choice.
    Or any choice because now I have problem with money for living. But no more complain… I will get money for scanner anyway in future. I am scoulptor and photographer I will get some good money soon.

  • marcin: Poland has many of the most luminous and gifted minds in the world both past and present !! Keep your Spirits UP !! +

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Poles

  • DAVID

    did you receive my e-mail? sorry I know your just received home! just wanna be sure I sent it to true e-mail address
    best

  • GOOD Morning ALL

    can’t sleep, and the quiet of the city is so nice to be awake for..totally off topic, but I keep thinking about the book Irish Travelers by Alen MacWeeney, and want to make put a link here in case you haven’t seen it. http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Travellers-Tinkers-No-More/dp/0979013003/ref=sr_1_1/103-1356837-6783004?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188602038&sr=8-1
    I almost can’t digest what a perfect piece it is..these are images that deeply affect me as a lover of the medium and make me want to be so so so much more adept at it.

    DAH

    If this week doesn’t work, we have later in August too, yes? I have yet to scan most of what I have shot..will start today, but i don’t know how far I can get.

    I am glad you like my note to Marcin and that you feel the same, I know you are the most generous and magnanimous person, but this blog is still your house to me, and I wouldn’t want to sprawl out too much on it’s floor, even though you have a mi casa es su casa philiosophy. I sure do spend a lot of time here in this house you built..in fact, it seems like time stands still when I am here; it never seems to get in the way of anything else I ‘need’ to do in the day.

    Here’s my morning ramble of rapid reply..

    BOB

    jees ‘um, it’s all on credit. I don’t know why the banks insist on giving me all that plastic, I guess it is because they know I will use it!

    ERIC

    I am so excited for you to shoot this piece of the puzzle..even if the photo ops aren’t rich, you will create more intimacy with the kids and the subject.

    KATIA

    falling in love with the people..exactly the words I use to describe the feeling. wish you could be here too, though we might knock people down with all our love!

    PATRICIA

    I so want to call you Pat..but that could be the wrong name entirely for you? Thank you ever so much for your words about David’s process; really great.

    MARCIN

    Not sure I can teach anything, but I can share..Only one more day shooting Hometown? Oh my..I had no idea. Then my new suggestion is to pray to the photo gods. I do it everyday I shoot. About galleries, have you ever talked to YOURS?

    CHARLIE

    Yea!! You know I really admire that body of work. Big hopeful congrats..gaps, I dunno..if I can I’ll look again today.

    ANNA

    I lived in Santa Cruz for the 6.9..we are all happy to know you are well. I remember the feeling of living with aftershocks..the not knowing. It’s exciting and a little scary all at once. When I was in the 6.9, I was in a food coop that was in a make shift building, sort of like an aluminum airplane hanger. The whole thing nearly walked..and the food went flying off the shelves..when it stopped everyone was smiling and hugging and yelling yippee..and as it was my first, I felt like a very young virgin – I didn’t even know what had happened!

    MIKE

    you hush up about there being no tri x one day. I had to run into the city yesterday as I had run out..just the possibility of the stores being out makes me want to act in a deviant fashion and stockpile it!

  • MIKE/MARCIN :))))..Mike, who aint a kibbutzer here at the blog ;))))…aint that the definition of this place :)))…now, like, my throat is swelling: might sniff around at the local LCBO (where booze is sold in Ontario) to see if that beacon of memories is around :)))

    ERICA: :)))…where the hell is this bank??…can you point them in Marina and my direction when we come to town at summers end?? ;)))…sadly, we cant afford to live on plastic…but, we still feel rich (immaterially) ;))…ok, i’ll send you more metta thoughts…:)

    …why does the blog (in a lovely way) increasingly remind me of a Talking Heads song? ;)))))))….

    LASSAL: that’s IT! :))…take a disposable…:))..DAVID: that’s a brilliant idea: i think Marina and i will steal the idea for a workshop here :)))….marina sending laughter and hugs

    running
    b

  • ERICA

    Funny thing about names. It took me 50 years of being first Patsy then Pat then Patty to finally live into and claim my full name of Patricia. During that time I was doing art therapy with refugees, many of whom were fleeing the wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua. Whenever they said my name “Patricia,” it sounded like a song. I’ve stuck with it ever since. Only David now knows that my Eddie still calls me Patty. Guess he’s grandfathered in!

    Patricia

  • Marcin,

    I don’t know Zubrowka, but the Polish community I am shooting in St. Louis has introduced me to a fig vodka — Fiegling? — which is just amazingly good!

    The hometown photos are “dark poetry” indeed, as Lassal wrote.

    Anna,

    Glad you had no damage to persons or property and still got the experience of the earthquake. We had in April — very unusual for these parts — recently, a 5.2 at about 4 in the morning. The tremor the next day was actually more impressive as I was in my office building downtown — felt like I was on the end of a roller coaster ride as the building gently bounced.

    Joan

  • Good morning to all,

    I am back finally after 3 weeks following my eyes surgery. I didn’t have access to the blog before.

    BobBlack: sorry we could not meet in Toronto, I hope we do soon.

    David: are you familiar with the work of Ralph Gibson and what do you think of it?

    Thanks

    Arie

  • Welcome back, Arie. Trust all went well with the surgery. You were missed.

    Patricia

  • ERICA

    you have such a beautiful way with words…. i love your description of being sprawled out in DAH “house”. i wish we had a chance to talk more in cville. i will have to let you know when i get up to nyc. do you ever get to dc?

  • from SEAN GALLAGHER :

    “…Dear All,

    I hope this email finds you well. You may be interested to view a Multimedia presentation launched today by the Asia Society entitled ‘Beijing Air’ which, along with the work of other China based photographers, features many of my images in the piece.

    http://www.asiasociety.org/beijingair/

    A joint collaboration between MediaStorm and the Asia Society, the piece highlights the continuing concern about the quality of Beijing’s air as the Olympics quickly approach.

    Best Wishes,
    Sean

    SEAN GALLAGHER – PHOTOGRAPHER
    http://www.gallagher-photo.com
    http://archive.gallagher-photo.com…”

  • I wonder why it’s San Andreas’ fault in the first place. You’d think a fault that big would have kept him from being a saint in the first place, but stranger things have happened, I suppose.

  • Thank you Patricia for your kind words…

    I should have directed my question to DAH to everybody: do you know of Ralph Gibson and what do you think of his work?

    Thanks

    Arie

  • Erica, I love how you describe the process of meeting people and making them subjects for photographs. Wise words indeed. I seem to have lost my nerve to approach strangers recently (made doubly difficult for them being japanese and I don`t speak the language well) and that advice hit home. Inspired.
    To Marcin, Poland is one of the best countries in the world for finding interesting people in interesting environments, your images are, as said, dark poetry. I hope you find completion on your “home town” story and many others that come from the contacts you made. Ideas…Are there people who mourn the old Communist days, contrasting with the new Europeans? What about returnees from the UK and other older EU countries; new rich, new horizons, new beginnings with old families they do or do not understand any longer. Are they loved, hated, avoided, blamed or respected? That`s the story i want to do but my Polish contacts are limited now. My wife knows Polish women are beautiful and probably won`t let me go shooting in Poland again:)
    Anyway I`m sure you`ll work it out.
    I like Zubrowska by the way but the alcohol of choice in such dark places, I`ve heard, is spiritus.
    Damon

  • DAVID / BOB …

    :)))) Disposibles?! Wonderful!!….
    In fact I was just drilling holes into some pots to do it the ultimative simple way… :)

    I love the disposibles idea! Why don’t we do something with that in near future? I will see if I find some here.

    Bob, are you in for some experiments?

    Cheers,
    L

  • ARIE…

    welcome back!!!! i do hope your surgery was more or less painless and successful all around…

    yes sure, i know Ralph Gibson…i cannot say that i would draw much inspiration from his work now (i have not seen any new work for a long time) but he was certainly an icon back in the “counterculture” revolutionary days in the 70’s and early 80’s…Ralph certainly represented “free thinking” overall, and i always liked that about him…and maybe you know something i do not know….new book, new work????

    ERICA…

    sure, whenever we are both free to meet, then we will meet…i will be away from New York almost the whole of august…now Italy…then my family beach time ..then maybe Perpignan first week of september and then two weeks of workshops in New York…one week in between the two…so there is some time…

    i only wanted to talk to you about book publishing…i know you are not ready with your street portraits…but, we can have that chat anytime this fall…

    hey my friend, mi casa es tu casa….without the writing from all of you here, there would be no forum…your words of inspiration mean a lot to all of us…i cannot be here 24/7, so i totally appreciate and need the words from you and all of the others who so take their time to write thoughtful prose…

    the true beauty of this “gathering” is that so many photographers here are out shooting , thinking, editing etc etc…when we put all of this together this fall it will be a real “tour de force”…..what we did at Look3 this year is “only a beginning” compared to what we will have next time around….i look to you as an integral part of this whole “organism”..

    yes, yes..we cannot even speak of Tri-X going away….shhhhhhhh!

    PATRICIA…

    we both spoke so much about your editing, that neither of us mentioned the pictures i took of Ed and you!!! there were a couple of classic moments with you singing by the piano with Ed playing…honestly, i was a little “choked up” and had trouble focusing..i do hope there will be something there that will please you…

    i will take the film in today for processing and contact sheets….we will send you a set of contacts for your perusal soonest and you may choose whatever you want for your personal family album or whatever…

    as i mentioned before, it takes two “thumbs up” before i will consider the pictures i took of you for book publication or exhibition…you must like the photograph i took as a likeness of Ed and you and i must like it as a photograph representative of this body of work…so, we BOTH must like the same picture or the picture “goes away” for publication purposes..fair enough???

    at some point i would like a good audio track of you talking about your work, your life…and the “captions” for the book will be your words only…

    my whole plan here is to let each family speak…no interpretation from me..just the words of the families….i will write an overall forward, but the main “text” is to be the “voice” of my subjects…this is not just for you as a “special friend”, this is for everyone in my photographs for this essay…

    SEAN….

    i saw this last night…good show…very cool that you were part of this…and , yes, it is perfect that you came to Look3 and set up this very good contact for yourself…

    this is what i try to tell everyone all the time…do not worry about what will “happen” to your work later…some try to find the “end result” before they will even attempt the work…you just went and did it…and who would have guessed how it would have been “discovered”??

    i do know one thing for sure….just do it…and SOMETHING will always “happen”..you are proving this point quite well..and, there will be much more to come for you ..one good thing always leads to another…

    cheers, david

  • Marcin,
    Well, those prices are for scans from the Hasselblad scanner. Medium format scans from the Coolscan 9000 is ranging from 1.30-2.30 € depending on resolution and 35mm is only around 0.50 € in full resolution from the Coolscan 5000. This is very cheap. http://digitalcopy24.de/Preisliste.html

    Cheers

  • point-and-shoot cameras…
    Now that they’ve become affordable, i recently bought on ebay a
    Leica minilux zoom for € 150.
    I had heard you could get great pictures but i didnt believe i would not tell the difference with the pictures taken with the Contax zeiss reflex I’ve always used…just unbelievable.
    Besides, i dont know where, but somewhere i read Alex majoli shot many of his war reportage with a point-and-shoot Olympus.

    Arie,
    thanks for writing about ralph gibson, didnt know him and just visited his website. Lots of good stuff (though i dont like everything…)

  • Yes, David, we got so caught up with my edit that I neglected to mention how cool it was to be a subject for your American Families essay. Watching you as portrait photographer was SO different from seeing the videos of you as street photographer! Careful, deliberate, with those huge cameras mounted on the tripod. Yes, a VERY different DAH from the free spirit we often imagine!

    And I’m glad the photos you like best are the ones of us actually singing at the piano. That is who we are and who we’ve been for all of our 42 years together. Eddie’s been playing by ear since he was 8–70 years ago!–and the first thing we bought when we married was this old used Chickering piano. It’s been at the heart of our lives ever since. I look forward to seeing the contact sheets, but don’t rush. You’ve got enough on your plate right now!!!

    Regarding an audio recording of Ed and me talking about our life together, I have a new digital recorder so that should be no problem. We’ll take care of it when we see if our portrait will satisfy you and us.

    Thanks for letting us participate. It’s a real honor.

    Patricia

  • Damon

    Yes Poland is full of amazing stories now. We are at the turn right now. For me most interesting is poverty. Not because I want to be next Salgado or Nachtwey, but because I see it everywhere and it wounds me. I know places where houses looks like ruins some forgotten civilization. Wher people afraid live.
    Now we have time of hard economy. Zero social for nothing. My mother have 140 euro of Annuity and she must work in sicili and german for life, my grandmother have 190 eu of retirement pension. I paid for my small apartment almost 400 eu. So you can imagine how hard life is for many people in poland now. We young are stong and multitalented, but many people was just drop in our new reality. They have no skills. They work for food and alkohol. Thats why in my hometown young parents beat their child to death. They are more and more unsocial, frustrated, angry. Like in brazilian favelas. This is just beginning.
    But of course after this 25 years many things are changed for good.

    I will work on this but in future. I need very strong base to do it. It can’t be doing “because I have that idea”. Like “hometown” stuff.
    I need very good reason to ask this peolpe to open and show thier life. I need reason. Very good reason.
    When I was on cuba the poverty was everywhere. Cubanas try to talk with me about it but I just not seapak spanish.
    http://marcinluczkowski.com/photo/news/b7.jpg
    We try but it was hard to undersatnd each other. Here comunication is not problem.

    When I will have some time and some money I will go to Walbrzych and Boguszow Gorce and I will show some snapshots of this places, you will know what I mean.

    If you need some help with shooting in Poland give me a note. I will help.

    peace for all

  • LASSAL…

    i am checking now to see if you can have film processed in this small Italian town or at the TPW school…if so, you may bring several film disposables or any point and shoot….if not, then a point and shoot digi is just fine…

    workshops these days are set up mostly for digi just because digi is a very good way to go for critique etc etc..but, i will let you know soon if we can get film processed if that is what you want to do…

    based on your books, i am imagining you want to do something conceptual…anyway, we will work it out one way or the other…

    stay tuned…

    cheers, david

  • MARCIN…

    every heartbreaking word you say tells me how important your “Hometown” work will be…

    you must see your work as both art and history…

    if you need more film, i will send to you some soonest…or maybe a friend of yours will be either in Italy or France and i can give it to them?????

    just focus…..

    cheers, david

  • PATRICIA…

    well, hopefully i am a free spirit even with a big camera on a tripod!!!

    i have always done portrait projects…i.e. Andrew Wyeth and Living Treasures and Nairobi for Natgeo just to name three…but mostly i have done “street photography” for sure, but lots and lots of “portraits” too…

    but, in both cases i am quite “deliberate” , just in a different way…and even in the portraits i am looking for a little spontaneous moment “off” of the obvious intent of the “set” piece…

    thanks in advance for the audio track…i think this will add a lot….

    cheers, david

  • Marcin, I was last in Poland 12 years ago when Poles were still proud and hopeful: proud that they alone, and against all odds, had started the fall of communism and hopeful that the future would bring the reward befitting such brave people. The signs were there, even then, that things were not going well or quite according to plan but the generation I knew had known the time before, and anything, anything was better than that. They believed in the fruits of the revolution ripening; all you had to do was wait. It seems, from your words, 20 years later that many people have lost hope. That is a shame because there was so much promise in the energy for the new Poland in the young people I knew in those days. Maybe the world has got harder for everyone, everywhere and Poland`s immature, damaged economy was always going to be easy prey to the faceless businesses that seem to be buying-up the good lives of good people now. But I am sorry to hear what you say. I would love to go back oneday, I can meet many Poles in London true, but there was something special about the generosity and pride of the the Polish people I met on my hitch-hiking travels through your country that it is saddening to think has gone now.
    Damon

  • Ah, David, now I’m seeing the limits of online communication! I’m afraid you couldn’t see the smile on my face as I wrote about the difference between DAH the street photog & DAH the portrait photog. Hell, man, we all know you’re a free spirit–ie., a unique & uncaged creative animal–whatever the genre!!!

    Patricia

  • PATRICIA

    Got it!

    GINA

    I haven’t had call to get to D.C., but if I do I will certainly find you in advance. I wouldn’t mind a visit, as I’d also like to get to know photo friend Neal Jackson better ..is he a friend of yours by chance? But please let me know when you make it here, too..

    DAMON

    I actually don’t know what I said that was wise, but I will admit to having lots of practice of pragmatic experience with this, so I am sure I will continue to chat about it loosely! It just so happens I am the type that MUST write if i am reading..sometimes I wish I could be a lurker, but it isn’t in my blood. Someone would have to steal the keyboard.. You know what I am losing my nerve for? Not asking..the spontaneous street shots. I was frustrated by the rain on Sunday..i had set up by myself, not so easy, and then the skies grew dark, fast. I got home dry, but frustrated. I sat in self pity for a little, then took my 35 out into the rainy streets. I have absolutely zero idea if it will work or will be needed, but I thought I should try to shoot some of the street stuff in the area where i am doing the portrait piece. Anyway, there were a few lovely moments that I should have grabbed, when I froze instead… the worst is that I often pace back and forth in front of the moment/person, to see how long it is still a moment, and of course then I freak the person out and the moment is gone.

    DAH

    OH! If we are just getting together I can try to do that whenever you are free..would you call if you get a window? The thought of having to pull my self together though has me scanning..a good thing. Light is good for shooting, but I am tired and need to see what I have shot so far. Your schedule is crazy..I hope the beach is refreshing.

    I wanted to ask you about what you said to Patricia, that the portraits will be okayed by both you and the persons photographed. Have you always worked this way for portraits? Does it ever work out poorly in that you lose a shot you love? Do you mind? I just had a man who I care about see his image on my site..he doesn’t like it..wants me to take it down..this is hard for me. I just photographed him again for the street piece, and am hoping he will like this one better.

    SEAN

    awesome! Was the work found through DAH’s LOOK presentation?

  • Man I miss Italy… Hey David, can Jen and I stow away in a couple of your suitcases?

  • PATRICIA
    I love it, have a good time in MEM workshop. hope you back and tell us what you learn there

  • Mike,

    All the history I know about R Frank’s mark in history is from hearing and reading you guys and seminal writers. Apparently, good historical facts, given how unanimously his influence is recognized by his peers. Like many, I understand he introduced a way of looking that was liberating at the times, and also that his bleakness of vision in times of “progress” went again much of what Photography was supposed to be about, ie. a positive medium (starting with negatives!).

    There was no escape, no reddeming, you had to take it exactly from his POV. Amoral photography of sorts.

    What do I think about him. He does not register as seminally to me as to others. Er..Maybe I am stuck with the mood! :-)

  • DAVID

    I see you have huge expectation from my work. But this will be not social essay. I wish do it social, but it will be just loose impression. I will try to show it as a dreaming with little nightmare. Soemthing unreal. But maybe it will be one big shit. Not first time I am doing nothing, you know that.
    Thanks for films. Now I don’t need more. Thanks to Anton, Nick and W Robert I feel free. Soon I should have no more financial problems.

    My “hometown” will be very short In comparison what I would like to do. When I go to my hometown in may and I had no place to sleep, my wife said me “this is not your hometown any more. You can feel free. Maybe you should go to Walbrzych or others places. This is the same thing as kamienna, even in Wroclaw you can find your hometown, your broke soul”

    And she was completly right! When I finish my first “hometown” (I just have to, right now), I will start working on my real “hometown” something wide, witout address and maps. Beside I have just started it. This work should be more history. I will focus on it more.

    DAMON

    I am talking only about part of our reality. There was many changes in Poland for good and I know that in Paris, Berlin and New York is the same poverty and problems. Poland is not sole.
    But in Poland people can feel more duped (I an find other word), because They work hard all life and now whole reality telling them that it was rubish.
    And most problems will come soon. Because now many things are expensive for young working people, so what can do people in small poor towns, wher is no job, or there is job but payment is a Joke.

    And of course is this other side of story. Agression. This part is completly incomprehensible for me! I hate stupid violence. Many of young guys think they are macho, and I know that frustration equal anger, but for me this is just incomprehensible.

    When you come to warsaw or wroclaw and you wondring on street with shops and young happy people you will not see what I am writing about now. This is good, very positive and hopeful

    http://marcinluczkowski.com/photo/news/b9.jpg

    peace

  • ERICA/DAH:

    DONT FORGET, M and I are coming…this weekend it’s on our “todolist”…david, will send u a note this weekend…, i’ll call u when u return from tuscany…sounds like end of august is better, since september means after Perp (i agree, u need to go, aint no Perp without a Harvey chat/review) and after your workshops…im not sure if M and I can wait that long ;)))…i’ve promised Marina NYC, likE NOW! :)))…we’ll get it fixed though…

    we can talk about whatever y’all like…1 night with DAH?ERica (party on the roof?)…and the other day we’ll be looking at/for galleries and meeting some others…but no way are we coming without our family reunion happening…;))

    SEAN :)))..loved the presentation…that’s quite a gathering of folk there :))…really loved the photographer too who shot pic out of her apartment window for 1 month…will write you directly this weekend….

    PATRICIA:

    have a brilliant workshop…make that magician sing!

    LASSAL :))…me, ummm, experiments???…no f*ng way ;)))))) (bones is all frickin’ experiements that i could do with different cameras and reality: dreams reallY)l…i love disposable cameras, and use them for our “family album”…it’s why i love Lomo’s so much: the lack of controll, the giving up of perfection….and the bleeding colors (only color pics i shoot are when using point/shoot-disposable)…

    DAH: this weekend im sending “ordinary things” (the poem, i wrote for fellow DAH Blog member, the one with your quote) to Foto8 for submission (we’ll see if they bite)…’cause WALrus DIDNT BITE…maybe too esoteric for them…we’ll see what foto8 says…if not, then i’ll throw it too a literary rag….but, since it’s about photography, i want it associated with photogrpahy….

    ok, running…

    b

  • MARCIN:

    everytime i think of “hometown” work, i think of Milosz’ poem ENCOUNTER…i’ve posted it here many times…but, i dont know Polish (only English translation)…so thinking of the above pic, i send you his poem..:

    Encounter

    We were riding through frozen fields in a wagon at dawn.
    A red wing rose in the darkness.

    And suddenly a hare ran across the road.
    One of us pointed to it with his hand.

    That was long ago.Today neither of them is alive,
    Not the hare, nor the man who made the gesture.

    O my love, where are they, where are they going
    The flash of a hand, streak of movement, rustle of pebbles.
    I ask not out of sorrow, but in wonder.

    –Czeslaw Milosz

    ——————————

  • marcin luczkowski

    DAVID

    I forgot to mention that I have huge expectation for you famili essay too… ha ha ha….
    just kidding…
    :)

    Bob Thanks for Milosz

    ERICA

    I also forgot to mention short story,
    today I walking with lomo camera diana in Wroclaw. When I was on market old women smile to me just like that and I smile to her too, then I bring up my camera to my eye and I nod my head to ask for permition, and she nod her head saying yes.

    click

    We smile for goodbye.
    Pure beautiful joy of taking pictures.
    There is hope for me I was thought!

  • MARCIN

    That is such a glorious moment, smiles passing between strangers who know themselves to be not strangers but “family,” an old woman and her “grandson” Marcin. Beautiful! I know that photo will be a keeper! Congratulations!!!

    Patricia

  • MARCIN:

    :))

    oh, fuck,…my private email just appeared…..

    oh well….

    no problem

    running
    b

  • Okay I probably won’t put this as eloquently as Patricia, but I thought I’d pass on the results of the DAH visit. (Plus I just liked the vibe of the Exit 76b, Steak n Shake pit-stop, road trip edit.) I feel like I have a lot more shooting to do, but for where I am now, this group represents the core of the project, a la DAH:

    http://www.humanfiles.com/garagesale/givingup.htm

    Now depending on what I’m editing to, the number may vary (maybe down to 10 or as many as 30, etc.) but this edit represents images that are strong enough to stand alone, but as a group fulfill all (or most) aspects of the story. Moving forward, fresh shots will replace some of these to decrease repetitiveness, or if the new shots are just stronger. After that, other images fall into a second and third tier, and are used sparingly where appropriate.

    We also talked about how the book would be developed, much like the edit above with the focus on the strongest work, but perhaps with a spread or two that starts with a strong full-page shot of a “garage sale sign”, but is followed up with thumbnail sized images of every sale sign I’ve shot (or enough to fill a grid, and maintains a good rhythm in the book.) The same approach could be given to the “sale items”, etc.

    We talked briefly about the slideshow—basically I’m on the right track, I just need to make sure I get audio of the people from the more personal stories I shoot.

    Then we discussed how the show would be presented in a space, which was really cool. David had great suggestions, one was why not have an opening in a garage? I’ve already been collecting 10 cent frames from the sales, for the purpose presenting images of the sale items when I do show. Another great idea—start collecting the sale signs after the weekend of the sale, before they are discarded, and display them—I got a jump on that after our meeting. And another great suggestion from David—people having sales are effectively creating displays, in other words, art installations. If I get the right opportunity, I should purchase an entire table of items (including the table) and recreate the display for the opening.

    Between chili, burgers and shakes, I’d call it a pretty productive meeting!

    http://www.humanfiles.com/journal_galleries/steaknshake.htm

  • for a hot day

    handful of fresh green asparagus
    peel gently, leave whole
    heat pan real hot
    add butter + olive oil
    fry asparagus very short till glazy, not longer, add little black pepper

    parmeggiano
    grate as much as you like

    asparagus on plate
    sprinkle lemon juice
    sprinkle parmeggiano

    open window
    leave fork and knife in kitchen
    take off shoes
    sit on window sill
    eat with hands

    enjoy sunset
    you only live once

    a

  • Oh and one more thing for the opening (my idea) a bin of 1×1.5 inch prints of EVERYTHING I shot for the project, free for guests of the show to take with them.

  • FANTASTIC EDIT!!!! David, after having seen your MM presentation–and loving it!–I couldn’t imagine how you could cut any of those shots. I just loved the flow. But now I see what happens when your eye meets DAH’s eye and the two of you work together. It is SO strong! And, yes, each image can stand on its own. If I had to pick a favorite it would be #09. That shot just gets me where I live. I also adore the opening…that winding country road leading to your subject. Perfect metaphor.

    I hope I’ll be back from the Catskills when you come to Detroit. I return on August 7 or 8. Will that work? I’d love to come watch you do your thing. Maybe I could document you documenting them!

    Patricia

  • Anton, can I come sit on your windowsill and eat with my fingers too??? My mouth is watering at the thought…

    Patricia

  • DAVID MCG: :)))

    that’s one sweet, tight edit :)))…love pic #1…and what i love (then again, im a conceptualist at heart) about the edit now is that it isn’t entirely CERTAIN it’s about “garage sale”…instead (as I mentioned last time i wrote you about your MM show), it suggest a story that is farther reaching:…it’s not as apparent what the story is (but there are clues ;) ), but it is about loss, accumulation, sadness…now the pics of the vehicles in the grass are even more powerful…as are the pics with the girl and her wedding/prom dress…and the man in his pickup…that midwest chilli has got to work wonders! :))))…and, i must say, i love the abstract pics out of nowhere (boys close up of boys face, sales sign, etc)…they raise visual/emotional questions…not about straightforward narrative, but about memory…for me :)))…

    dig the exhibition ideas too :))

    running
    b

  • pic 1, means your pic “20:, i mean 1st pic to start the story…followed by #2 :))…like those kids are like: fucking mom and dad dragged us to this field (#1) to look at junk ;)) (i remember thinking that once when i was young)…and by the end (girl with mom and cow)…the children have been altered…and are the real center (for me) of the story…our memories, our dissipating lifes, not ever to be really sold ;))

    hugs
    b

  • patricia

    if we ever meet in person

    sorry

    WHEN we meet in person

    we’ll cook

    and we will both eat with our fingers

    and look at the sunset

    the sunset which – i predict – will be nothing less than spectacular

    love
    anton

  • Anton, I’ll hold that thought ;=)

    Patricia

    P.S. LOOK3 next June?????

  • oh and patricia..

    don’t forget the red red wine :)))

    off to make the ravioli now.. ricotta, parma and asparagus tips waiting to be stuffed inside..

    hmm… eggs are free range and hyper fresh.. the smell of egg yolk.. did i mention that i love the conversations, the essays, the edits, the soundtracks, the questions, the answers, the stories here, and that i am proud of knowing all of you?

    thinking of you all
    a

  • look3 next year? you bet.

  • Lassal, David,

    In the past TPW had its own B&W lab with over night processing including contact prints – I don’t know the arrangement in the new place. Claudia who was assisting the workshop in Sicily was one of the darkroom technicians back in 2006.

    But I believe Lassal was writing about a digital P&S anyway.

  • ALL – mark your calendars for LOOK3 2009 – June 11-13…. hope you all can make it.

  • Patricia

    I plan on covering “Michigan’s Longest Garage Sale” Aug 8-10. It goes from Niles to Detroit from along Hwy 12. I plan on just camping out in my van along the route. Maybe on that last day I’ll wind down shooting sales in your neighborhood! Then you can come along, maybe advise on sales, etc. Just be warned, this project and the execution does have a strong sense of “boredom”, of which I’m not offended and completely embrace.

    On being “Boring”

    The notion of this not being a project for everyone is another aspect that came up with David. It’s working for me because it fits my personality. If I were to get a review and the term “refreshingly mundane” came up, I would be completely happy. Boring does fit into the vibe, because like Bob said and feels, being dragged to a sale so my parents could find a deal was a Saturday afternoon tragedy.

    Bob

    So eloquently put again. When I look at the work of others, the thing I find appealing is when they create a sense of mystery and let the series work on a subliminal level. I have to remember to do that with my own work. With that in mind, I think there are two MMs to be created—a 20 piece show that’s not so literal, then a show that’s more broad, as Pierre-Yeves said, creates more of a cinematic experience, closer to the first MM I created. Maybe you don’t need both, but I imagine two could serve different purposes nicely.

    I’ve done well enough with the garage sale ambush method for shooting sale items, but the images that folks really respond to are the ones where I’m embedded with a story. I hope to pursue more of those in the coming month.

  • NICK,
    yes, I am shooting digital. TPW apparently has two labs: digital and analog. One can choose whichever one needs and pays a small fee for the usage. Comes in quite handy.

    BOB …
    photographing… bones?! Really? ;)))
    Ok … Bones work :))))
    Bones à la Bob
    I get you some bones too.
    But not in Italy.

    But hey, I have only half a camera with me but some other material: like a recorder! …
    Maybe … just maybe … if everyone agrees … I can tape something for all of you. ALONG with pictures of course.

  • DAVID McG

    I’d love to be bored with you! Let’s hope I get back home in time. BTW my cell is 313-410-0454. Let’s check in with one another closer to the time.

    Patricia

  • David,

    please do not go into the trouble to ask for labs. I am probably shooting digital all the way in Italy. And I have all I need for it with me. Agree that it is much more practical with digital. I just hope they have enough sockets in the monastery for all our recharging needs … :)

    The disposable idea is quite nice for some extra. Maybe later or so. Maybe I can get it at the railway-station. I have little hope, though … It is all cell-phone and digicam here now.
    But I will have to get me a disposable somehow for Bob’s bones (I am sure he did not mean it the way I am putting it, but … :))

    I have one book with me, that I can show you. With “arty” things. I have it with me because I need to do some research around it. So… But it is nothing to build upon. Just part of a project.

    Actually I am open for anything. Does not have to be conceptual … Most of the time I just “collect” things by taking it’s pictures. Like butterflies…
    No backthought… only collecting. Just to take these things home with me. I would love to do something more complex – complex from the picture and not complex from the thought.

    But at the end I am just extremely curious as to your analysis and the “beyond” you were talking about. ;))

    Will be arriving saturday night. Carlo arranged a pick up for me. He seems to be a very sweet person… I was lucky too, to get a room in the monastery. Apparently there is not much left – if at all now.

    Best,
    Lassal

  • LASSAL….

    it looks like perhaps you have found out already what i was going to tell you…yes, you could should disposable or any film…just takes a day longer…if you want a faster day by day critique, as most students will want, then digi is the way to go…

    DAVID MCGOWAN….

    yes the more i thought about it after i left you at “Steak & Shake” was just how interesting it would be if your exhibition looked like a garage sale…

    remember my motive??? after all , the people who put stuff out for sale are , in fact, “curators” of an “exhibition”..yes, designed to sell things, but an exhibition nevertheless….you could buy several piles of objects and have it part of the show..yes, like a big garage…and then your photographs would be like “mirrors” of the sale…

    you should always think “big”..get John Updike to write your forward about American consumerism….have the book designed and the show designed..be in charge….and please please read everything you can get your hands on regarding consumerism and come up with a title that reflects the sophisticated approach you are taking to an allegedly “mundane” topic…

    cheers, david

  • Waiting for “Freakonomics” to be sent to my library…

    Thanks again David.

  • LASSAL…

    we must have been posting simultaneous and i did not see your last comment…

    if you think of an idea now, before you come to Tuscany , it might help you decide whether to shoot film or digi…

    somehow i could see you with film contact sheets as pictures in and of themselves…again, i am just basing this on your past work and how i perceive you thinking…some students will come with an idea already developed…some will not…remember your idea does not have to be “about Italy” just because that is where we will be…it could be, but does not have to be…some essays in these classes are “cultural specific”, others are not…you can decide….the more you think before you come, the better…

    so we are in a monastery???? hmmmmmmm……i will try to behave accordingly….

    cheers, david

  • Oh my, scanning all day..is often like Christmas, but today am tired, even though I am happy with several images. Listening to my neighbors and their little children in the pool this whole day isn’t helping..

    MARCIN

    you have broken the cycle..

    ANTON

    you cook? that’s so refreshing..and it sounds healthy and delicious. is there room at the LOOK table for more?

    DAVID B

    I love the installation idea..you could even hold a garage sale at the time of the opening..your in paper and street signs would make for great invites to the opening.

    BOB

    when ARE you coming? I really want to spend time with you all, but need to be in many places..pls let me know when you have a date…

  • DAVID B / ALL

    sorry, can’t resist..just thinking of art ‘Happenings’ of days of yore..not only could you hold a yard sale at time of the exhibit, you could photograph it..

    for the younger crowd who may not be familiar, here’s a quickie tutorial on Happenings

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happenings

  • David,

    I think the last time I used film is several years ago. I have only had digital cameras since the very first camera I got from my parents got smashed during a flight. But to be honest, I did not have fun with film back then and only fell in love with photography after I steped over into the digital world. Maybe because I am used to the medium, probably because I need to see quick results …

    I got my uncle’s battered F3 some time ago, when he heard I was photographing … It was very sweet from him and I am trying to avoid any questions … Because … I have not even touched it yet!

    At the moment film it is very far away from me. But maybe that is why I liked the idea about the disposables.

    (I can imagine that this might change when I learn to develop myself … but no way I am doing this in Italy!!!)

    Oh .. I have lots of project I could do. Little ones. And the one big one I am carrying around in the back of my head. If I find some pictures for that, it would be marvellous!
    I will have to see the place, if there is a village in the vicinities, etcetc. I think I might be able to decide pretty fast then.

    It would be interesting to hear from you if you think my choice is wise.
    Oh yes, and I just found a number of pictures on my notebook. It will probably help a lot. If you like to have them printed, I will try to sneak into the digi-lab as soon as I arrive. But maybe it is enough to see them on the notebook. They are nothing special. But I think they show the way I see things.
    Glad I found them …

    Taking the dog now out a last time today …

    ALL
    have a good night!

  • Erica — if I have anything to sell, I certainly will!!

  • sorry, DAVID M..told you I was tired..

  • DAH…. i must know – what is your definition of “behaving accordingly”???? ha ha!

    xo gina

  • No problem, I figured it out!

  • GINA….

    now Gina Gina, you know me well…which puts me at a decided disadvantage!!!

    however, you have also been at one of my classes in Tuscany…now, be honest, did we not produce one really cool show??? has my social “behavior’ ever gotten in the way of my work either as photographer or teacher???

    now wouldn’t you imagine that if my class this time is in a monastery, that i would at least wear black?? or be more somber? or, or…….

    please remember amica, that this public forum is no time to reveal SECRETS!!!!

    un abbraccio, david

  • Ha Ha!!! No worries David – no secrets will be told here…. As much as I like to give you shit – you still are the best instructor i have ever worked with. David can party with the best of them – till the sun comes up. But man, he will be there when class starts – and ready to teach! He is passionate, excited and inspiring… even on little sleep. I wish i had your energy David!!! Have a wonderful workshop – I am sure you will inspire (and entertain) all of your students…

    xo gina

  • hi all.. i tried catching up, but as always, there’s too much great stuff! i loved the visits that the “road-trippers” (appropriate term, i believe) DAVID and MICHAEL paid to PATRICIA and D-MCG… and I love the edits, too!! ERICA, your story of the boy was so so so insightful.. THANK YOU! GINA GINA… good to see you here!!

    KELLY doesn’t like shameless self-promotion, so I AM here now to spread some great news: Kelly’s ‘Swimmers’ multi-media piece will be showing in this weekend’s SLIDELUCK POTSHOW in Willamsburg! this is great news. Here’s the show’s info:

    SLIDELUCK POTSHOW XII
    Saturday, August 2nd, 2008 | 6:00pm Potluck | 8:30pm Slideshow
    Afterparty at Macri Park

    McCARREN PARK POOL
    Lorimer Street, between Driggs Avenue and Bayard Street
    Williamsburg, Brooklyn | L Train to Bedford or Lorimer

    And here’s a link to KELLY’S web-site:

    http://www.kellylynnjames.com

    And direct link to her ‘SWIMMERS’ piece:

    http://www.kellylynnjames.com/content/popup/KLJ_The_Swimmers.mov

    OKAY… i’m being dragged out the door to a poetry slam that starts in a few minutes…

    If you’re in the area, check out the Slideluck Potshow in W’Burg this weekend!

    Abrazos,
    Lance

  • LANCE/KELLY….

    fantastic…great….cool…and damn!!! i will miss this show!!!! i am literally catching a plane at the time the show starts….major bummer!!!

    are you guys going to be in New York friday night??? i am here, but i have to be a good boy since i will be jetlagged etc arriving in Italy, so i just can’t can’t can’t get “extensive” this friday nite…but come over and make sure i get to bed early…

    abrazos, david

  • David wrote: “as i mentioned before, it takes two “thumbs up” before i will consider the pictures i took of you for book publication or exhibition…”

    Is this how you usually treat portraits? I’ve started taking portraits of the WW2 generation at the Polish church, people I’ve taken for granted as just sweet folks — and then learned, she was in a labor camp, and he fought in the battle of Monte Cassino….They have amazing stories to tell. They aren’t just the “donut man” selling baked goods on sunday mornings, or the well dressed elderly man who sits in the back.

    They generally aren’t the most open to having their photos taken either. They are first just tolerated me, then I gave out prints, and kept showing up. Now they smile and nod good morning, and slowly start to trust me more.

    I want to start some audio, once I get a mic. I want them to tell their own stories, if they will. But, I wonder, will they approve in the end? Would they give me a “thumbs up”? And what if they won’t?

    Here are the very first of the portraits:
    http://www.gummelsphoto.com/monroe_regina_anthony

    Please, all thoughts welcome! I’m flying blind here.

    Joan

  • Kelly –

    Great news! I sent the link to the Swimmers piece to a friend who swims most mornings….finds his peace there in the water. He LOVED it.

    Joan

  • LANCE, AMIGO :))))

    tell Kelly We are thrilled and happy for her :))))…we originally wanted to come down for the show when Casey announced 3 months back, but plans changed this summer,, but i cant think of a better opportunity for her and for this venue…I’m sure folks will love it :))))…hope y’all can make the show too :)))

    ERICA:

    YES, NY…most likely end of August (or end of September): it depends on what David’s schedule is…i will call him when he returns from Tuscany…he’s got commitments, as do you, as do we, but no way we will come at a time when he’s not in town…..i’ll have marina write you tomorrow….with details…

    LASSAL: yes…real bones…cow bones, dinosaur bones, human bones…all that…just wait ;)))…

    ok, running…

    hugs
    b

  • JOAN….

    “two thumbs up” is the way i want to work with this project….

    i have not always done this…when on assignment for a magazine, this is not a promise you can make…

    but, i felt for this family work, i would make this reassuring offer for people who are so kindly allowing me into their homes, their lives…

    perhaps i will regret this promise..some of the pictures may not be “flattering” from their perspective…what happens if my most favorite favorite picture is just not acceptable to one of my families???

    first, of course, i will try to talk them into it!!!

    if that does not work, then a promise is a promise….

    i may “lose” a picture or two….but, so be it….and, of course, i will refuse to publish a picture i hate that they might love…remember, TWO thumbs up!!! we all have to approve the picture or pictures….all or nothing…

    as was my work in “Living Proof”, i do not see this family project as some sort of display of my photographic prowess…

    or even expect it to have the “photo book” look…i do not want this “look”…this is about THEM, not Me…

    naturally, i will want the best work to be published, exhibited etc., but i will just take my chances that my subjects will allow me to publish the “best” photograph because by the time i am done shooting them they all know my intent, my seriousness, and my overall commitment to a fine book etc…i suspect that most will trust my judgment when it comes right down to the wire…

    remember that all of my subjects sense right off that i have no hidden agenda…they know where the book is “coming from” in my personal life, what it “means” overall..

    trust begets trust….i will stand by this…

    cheers, david

  • David,

    Since you seem to be on now, take a look please at this when you have some time and tell me what you think

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157606002172259/show/

  • David Mc–

    It’s been several days since I watched your multimedia piece. I like the new edit, but there are some photos that stick out in my mind that are not in the new edit, some of the close up photos of items for sale. I remember in particular a photo of mugs and one or two of some old books that I liked a lot. Then of course there’s the Big Jim Camper! I really felt like some of those photos really added to the story. No?

    sl

  • LANCE

    are you going to the slideluck? I am thinking of going… not sure yet.

    ALL

    an editor friend came over tonight to help me organize me Mexico Bus work. i am going to work on the edit this weekend – and will have something to post early next week. this is so fucking daunting to me…..

  • Rafal–

    I really like your photographs. Graphically, I think they’re wonderful. I especially love the two with the birds in the foreground and the foggy city beyond. Very nice…

    sl

  • Gina–

    I searched though the “Student Work/Workshops” section and couldn’t find the link to your photographs. I’m very interested! Can you post it here?

    Thanks,
    sl

  • Marcin–

    Congratulations on the old woman photo! Sounds like a great way to start a string of successful portraits! Well done.

    DAH–

    I’m sure we’re all dying to see the photos of Patricia and her husband at the piano. If they don’t make the cut, does that mean we’ll never see them??? Also, I saw in an earlier post you mentioned workshops with you in NY. Is there one coming up? I’d love to do a workshop with you.

    sl

  • RAFAL…

    now, this is a whole NEW look for you..

    surely this “look” is in vogue now..mostly being done by a few key large format photographers ..no sentiment or emotion…a clear attempt to eliminate both for artistic reasons..and maybe that is my only reservation…after all it is just being done done and done again and again…of course, not by YOU, but it is a certain “genre” that if you are going to do it, you must really really do it!!! it looks as if you are trying to join that “camp” but , if so, you may have to go just as far as the best of them are going…OR, maybe you are just experimenting..always good…but, i mean, this is as far away from your last project as you can get….nobody should repeat themselves, but are you sure you are finished with your first “breakout” with your family??? or, is this just a little “vacation”???

    having said this, you have several really really nice photographs in this series….i mean, this does “feel like” Seoul (i even recognize the swimming pool where i photographed)…and, if your heart is really in it, then of course you should keep going and going….

    these are just my quick, off the top of my head observations…i am interesting in what you want to do and where you want to go…i just want to caution you about trying to be “too many photographers in too short a time”

    your thoughts???

    cheers, david

  • DAVID

    I promise you that Ed and I will give you both thumbs up to publish/show any image of us that works for you. We’re just honored to be part of this amazing project.

    Have a grand and glorious workshop in Tuscany and we’ll share stories when we both return. My deepest gratitude again for your visit, for taking Ed’s and my portrait & all that means, and for helping me with my edit. You’re the best!

    ALL

    It’s time for me to pack my clothes and iBook since I hope to be on the road by 10 a.m. tomorrow. The important things are ready, and that is my 10 prints for MEM’s workshop. If you want to see a pic & read my blog entry for tomorrow, just check out

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/image/100986892

    hasta luego

    Patricia

  • SPENCER….

    those photos you mentioned are not excluded from the potential book….they are just in there in a different way…as David M said earlier, they are in a layout where the “items for sale” are in a spread with perhaps 20 or so together…

    we edited for his best PHOTOGRAPHS, not necessarily the best OBJECTS…there is a very big difference…

    there are , of course, many ways to “skin a cat”….but, my suggestion for David M. was to play his best imagery as exactly that…use his finest photographs as “anchors”..and let the “items, objects” become more of a design element rather than have them become photographs in and of themselves…no matter how interesting the “object” it still has to be a photograph FIRST…a picture of an interesting object is not necessarily a PHOTOGRAPH…

    this concept is always the toughest one for many photographers to “get”…for sure, the biggest hurdle for my workshop students…once they get it, they move forward in a new light….

    cheers, david

    p.s..i just saw your second comment…please look at new post under “student work/workshops”…we are doing two classes at my loft in New York in september…

  • David,

    I like to be busy:) Im dabbling in this look. Ofcourse Im still on the Home Sweet Home project as my main project but Im trying to dabble in other things, and this is a perfect time to do it, I mean its summer, I have time to be out there. I like this look. I love the Sobol look but I also like the Shore or Power look. Im also trying to expand, try different things and see how they go. So for this summer while Ik trying to build on Home Sweet Home, Im also doing something colpletelt different. I do wish I had a larger format than a 35mm as that sort of seems to be the way to shoot this sort of stuff but I have to make do with what I have. What I like about it is that its so etached as a look, in general, much more contemplative and slowed down than shooting something like Home Sweet Home which is quite more intense in how intimate it is. With Home Sweet Home I have I think a base of the pyramid, what I mean is a feel and look and a general direction of where Im going with it, so Ive slowed it down, being much more demanding of what I keep and put in the set….theres a real danger of it overgrowing since its something Im IN 24/7… in a way I fear it, since Ive set my mind on doing this project for an extended period of time, as in several years..how will I deal with the sheer amount of imagery, how will I edit it? So I decided I need to be slower, more demanding as the story grows, I cant let the thing build into a tsunami..plus I need an out once in a while, and the Riverside project allows me to slow down and retreat from the subject when I wish. A sort of refuge in a way from being overwhelmed by the family stuff. And the two can co-exist easily. Neither takes time from the other…I shoot at home and I shoot when Im out (between gigs, during transit, I go to the riverside for 15 or 30 minutes or longer when I have the time)

    As I told Bob, I think, I consciously did something totally opposite from before: color vs b/w, close (space wise) vs detached, intimate vs detached, organic vs graphic composition to set the space between the two projects.

    Your caution is spot on, theres a danger in dilluting yourself with too many different looks, styles, and I tried to get that topic going but it didnt take here:) Maybe it will now.

    And I knew that you would recognize many of these places. LOL

  • PATRICIA…

    please drive carefully and have a safe trip…and let us know when you are there and ok….

    give Mary Ellen my warmest regards…you will have a terrific weekend i am sure….

    peace and love, david

  • DAH–

    Thanks. I think I have childhood connections to those items. It’s hard not to be touched by them. I saw what David wrote about the Sale signs, but I missed the bit about the items. And thank you also for directing me to the workshop info!

    Did you see my earlier post about Centralia, Pa. My friends family lived in the area. Sounds like an interesting place.

    sl

  • I should mention that the Riverside project is running along with http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157604860509161/show/

    Both are of places I spend time in almost daily. I live 5 minutes by bicycle from the riverside and across the street from a big park where I shot the Parklife stuff. Im treating both as a sort of summertime project at this stage. With the Parklife stuf I tried to angle it towards the Home Sweet Home sphere by injecting my family as subject matter alongside strangers in the story. The Riverside project is more about place, not people, people would be a distraction since Im trying to get a feeling of detachment in it.

  • RAFAL…

    yes, i understand…and this is what i thought you were doing and thinking….

    you clearly have your “head on straight”…just checking!!!

    cheers, david

  • SPENCER…

    no, i see nothing about Centralia ???? can’t find it…post again???

    RAFAL…

    one last thought…i do understand totally your desire for “detached and deliberate”…actually, even in my own family project i am doing some “family landscapes” where i am way way back from where i would normally be with a 35mm camera where i would instinctively “go in”…and mixing b&w and color to boot…so , in a way, i am doing everything “all wrong” compared to my normal “style”…but “all wrong” is very deliberate on my part and based on the “look” of a real family album and not wanting it to “look good” but still wanting it to look good!!!!

    we should all be experimenting…i just want to make sure that you do not get “lost in experimentation” before you put down that first book or published essay…perhaps you have to be one thing before you can become another…make sense???

    cheers, david

  • DAH–

    Centralia is an old mining town in Pennsylvania. I mine fire has been burning there since the 60’s. The government tried to buy out all of the residents but a few families refused to leave. I would think these families might be very interesting american families. Here’s the story on wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania

    sl

  • SPENCER…

    oh yes, now i remember this post…way way back…..i will save this and do some research and check it out…you are right, could be great….

    many thanks for the reminder…

    cheers, david

  • David thanks for answering Spencer’s question. I just got back from the bar and I’m no good for typing!!

  • David, yes it makes sense…..Im certainly going to put primary energy into the family story. To give you a sense of how I shoot the river stuff. Today between 7:30 and 9pm I havd time between work. Ill use that time to go to the river and shoot for 30 or 40 minutes. The park stuff I was originally going to somehow incorporate into my family project, but I decided that it doesnt fit into it, it just looks completely different, even in bw so it became its own project. It could somehow fit in later.

    Now to give you a sense of where I am on the family stuff please see

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/collections/72157604057061111/

    The Home Sweet Home has been edited to about 40 photos. Ive also shot a lot of still lifes and thats in the Domestic Stills folder. Im still shooting the Family Ties stuff though only when I can make it to my inlaws home and Ill be documenting family trips in seperate folders. In the end it may all come together somehow or not. But so you know Im still ON THE CASE with vigor.

  • RAFAL….

    yes yes yes…YOU ARE ON THE CASE!!! you have just terrific new work from Home Sweet Home and Family Ties..well, both belong together perhaps….anyway, no matter…as i said when i first saw HSH, you have made the most amazing leap from the work you originally showed me when we met in Seoul…where you are now, from where you were just a year ago, is very very impressive in my opinion…and i see a lot of work!!!

    ok, Rafal..now i am adamant ..please do not get distracted from HSH…energy is energy….no wine spilled on the ground please…just finish this family work…you may not be far from finished…just cross over the “boredom line” or whatever…there is a “second wind” for you…suck it in….breathe deep….you will never never get another chance like this….these things do not come back…no delay..once in a lifetime…things change ..SO GO NOW…please trust me on this one…GREAT WORK…just make it a little better!!!!

    cheers, david

  • David,

    Im an obsessive:) I wont get5 distracted easily so no worries. But Im also an addict:) So I must keep shotoing, anything…and you made it worse, you made me obsessed abous stories and projects so often the case is that I shoot a few photos I like and suddenly Im obsessing to make it a project.

    But the real personal stuff is where my heart is. My wife went to her parents’ home for the week so I have a week of shooting something else. Most of the Riverside stuff is from 3 or 4 weeks of shooting a bit here and a bit there.

  • Hi David;

    Just thought I’d leave you a quick note to let you know I finally got the other two Timor images up on the web page. (Soldier with daughter & 3 boys)

    I’m also about to substitute a few more later this week. I appreciate that you took the time to pick your favourites!!

    Cheers and have a safe journey!!!

  • Oops!! Forgot to mention… I’m planning to get back to Timor for Xmas. So far so good, but will know for sure within 2-3 weeks! I had applied to the AsiaNZ Foundation for funding, but that was declined, they decided the NZ government (NZAID) were working there and didn’t want to overlap.

    However they did ask me to put in a submission for the IDP camps on the Thai/Myanmar border and that they will look “favourably” at it. So here goes…

    Cheers

  • marcin luczkowski

    The last one pictures of my hometown essay will be blue tree from wroclaw, so if I will have any image of this woman (it is not obvious, know that everyone who working with this hmmmm… unusual camera) I add this portrait at the end of story. Somehow this situation is part of my hometown essay…

    must run

  • Kelly, I do not believe to have said to it to you, your essay is absolutely magnificent, you have very strong images, I love your association of the video, the photos and ways off …

    Charlie, All my congratulations !! Your work is very strong, I think that to continue it not maybe that positive…

    Arie, a very good restoring, thank you, I knew in no way Ralph Gibson, I like his work on hands !

    I have to leave you, I go in her sins in crabs with my nephew and my niece!
    Kind regards,audrey

  • GINA, BOB, DAVID – I will be at Slideluck in spirit only.. not only is the last minute flight to NY expensive, but I have prior commitments with the bull riders here in Texas. I really wish I could have planned for this because I’d love to be there.. I’ve always wanted to catch one of these Slideluck shindigs… someday, someday. KELLY may be there.. at this point I don’t know what her call is.

    I hope it goes well and I can’t wait to hear about it!

    Abrazos, Lance

  • sorry DAH and community : initially had problems with the first musical links as some of them did not pan out. hence the second set which are all perfect ++ anyone whom loves ART should really look at these videos. i only wish mtv could be so kind to their viewers.

    goodnight folks..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.
    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.
    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..
    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.
    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.
    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.
    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.

    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.

    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..

    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.

    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.

    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.

    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • hi hi.

    earthquakes, return of panos.. equipment probs and some superb work – it’s all been happening here, no?

    i’ve begun to tear my hair out over editing down my music work.. the idea is for a book.. confidence is waning, my eyes are getting tired and i’m starting to think it’s not worth a book.

    in any case.

    i have started a blog to communicate what i am up to..

    http://1997to2008.blogspot.com/

    there are a handful of photos up there.. more words and thought right now.

    they are in no particular order and certainly not a final edit.

    just a bunch of photos.. some good ones i hope.

    in the main edit not yet on the blog, i have cut the photos scanned (prob 1/3rd of the total number i have taken) cut down to about 300 photos.. i’m going to get that down to 100 and then upload them to the blog.

    i’ve been looking through a good few thousand to get to the 300 now on my computer and once my negs are shipped over i will have many thousands more to look through.. scan and edit. so.. lots of photographs and i know some of my fav’s are yet to be looked at again.

    the ones online right now are in colour although i have begun to edit in B&W since looking at so many colours was starting to fry my brain. they are not necessarily the best i have so far.. just a fairly random bunch picked from the editing file… to show the kind of range i have.

    so..

    very nervous about posting this in such good company.

    hope you like some of them, in any case – love them, hate them, indifferent to them – any guidance on photos you like, advice on editing or if you just think i need to give up and open a sandwich shop.. please feel free.

    strange – i have been submitting to magazines for many years.. have been published in hundreds of them.. am very thick skinned, however i’m helluva nervous about posting some here.

    i’m going fishing now, to straighten out my head.. it’s been an emotional experience looking through some of the commissions.. some good times.. some bad times..

  • david: just curious do you know or are you familiar with the work of americas two main music-party scene photographers ?

    here is the links: cobra snake and i think it’s called all tommorows parties by this dude in new york city called merlin bronques..

    http://www.thecobrasnake.com/partyphotos.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_Bronques

  • david bowen : here is the other link >

    http://www.lastnightsparty.com/

  • Rafal-

    very nice pictures indeed.
    keep it up!

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.
    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..
    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.

    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..

    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • robert..

    yeah – people pointed me toward merlins work when he first started out.. quite like it.

    will have another look

    uploaded a bunch of the B&W photos as well.. i’m finding it easier to look at them that way.

    again – no final edit.. still; a lot of work to do.

    the reason so little of my work is scanned is beacuse 97 until about 2001 i was submitting only prints or slides to magazines..

    also – the early scans are a bit rubbish.. limits of my knowledge of scanning and also the quality of the machines.. some of the b&w may look a little flat

    now i really am going fishing.

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..
    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.
    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..

    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.

    dx

  • sorry all – noticed i have uploaded 120 phots to the blog..

    more than intended.. apologies if you get bored.

    dx

  • OVERWHELMED DAVID:

    (ok, this same comment has been kept on hold, probably due to the fact that it contained too many links… I was just pointing out my preferred pictures but I think it is not so necessary, so this is the linkless version)

    the blog presentation is definitely a good approach: even if there are more than one hundred photos, it’s easy to scroll through them and catch the “big picture” they all together compose. You show what’s in and what’s around dance events and many images are great*. Pheraps the only missing piece of information is about how huge crowds can gather together: I mean that most of your pictures just show small groups and also the tents shots give a limited idea of the CROWD. I really can imagine that edit this work is a giant task, but for sure it worths it!
    ciao
    abele

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.
    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.

    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • good point abele.. many thanks

    i have been trying to look for photos that give a feeling of things.. you’re right though.

    i’ll spend some time looking for photos that show the enormity of some of the events.

    i’d like to have photos from all distances..

    really, really going fishing now. mackerel dinner is what i’m hoping for.

  • RAFAL:

    the Family Ties is magnificent…i’ve always loved it…it reminds me of an Ozu film, especially when the camera (you) are low to the floor (which in Korean/Japanese homes is the norm)…there really are some magnificent pictures in that set…it is a stronger, much stronger, juxtaposition with HSH, then the park/Han river…because all 3 elements of family life (HSW, Family Ties and Stills) are covered: intimacy (HSW), family (Family Ties), the quotidien (stills)…actually, i see these as 1 series, and i very quickly randomly jumped among all 3 to see if it made visual sense..which it does, for me…i too spend much of my time photographing people i know (especially my family) and believe, generally, that that kind of connection pays off (regardless of stile): call it perpinquity…while i also like much of the photos in the Park series (as pics) and a few from Han, it doesnt have the same emotional heft and visual connection…and i dont just think that’s cause you are photographing your family vs. non-family…it’s because the family stuff COMPELLS you, hurts you, enamours you…the other stuff, is just (as you said) “photography” ;)…you have always been a photographer drawn/obsessed with geometry, with lots of thought gone into the mise-en-scene of your pics, the frame work is a major emphasis in your pics (especially especially your early around-seoul stuff), and in the family stuff (all 3 sets) this works for me, cause the “construction” of your images do not mar but enhance the emotional impact of the narrative…it just makes it more powerful…that’s the trick with pics made as “construction”: look through the view finder, shift the camera to make a good composition, click, etc…instead of reacting to something seen…

    im with david: the family stuff is what really really blooms…not because it’s about your family, but because those pics transcend YOUR family, and speak about MY/OUR family life too…

    its just stellar stuff…

    running
    b

  • Hey HERVE: Little time right now but wanted to say thanks for your input. Please don’t think i’m asking anyone to pick my portfolio, i’m just looking for opinions. Personally I am leaning towards the TB/HIV story and the Macau piece. Just feel the TB/HIV story is visually the strongest out of the more literal essays and the Macau piece offers more personal vision and would add some variety. Cheers for your kind words. James

    ANDREW B: The Macau piece was shot on and off over 5-6 days I think. Not sure if you mean how many images total or how many in my first edit? I think I pulled around 50-60 for the first loose edit.

  • ROSS….

    i am pleased to hear you will go back to Timor…this is such an important story…

    now, your story really is more of a “straight” journalistic piece…and should be…it is totally about an isolated misrepresented oppressed culture…

    so, in your case, you really do need some “storytelling” pictures… at least a few that really tell us what is going on…not every picture needs to tell “the whole story”, but you really need a “lead” , an “opener” as any magazine editor would say…that one shot that says it all..

    i have no idea what that picture might be…i have never been to East Timor, but i do understand the general plight of the people, but do not know what might be the best situation for such a picture or pictures…but, you need it nevertheless!!!

    i can just imagine being in a room full of magazine editors looking at these pictures…i can imagine what they would say…”nice pictures of people Ross, but what is the story?”..”what are you trying to tell us?”

    now, yes, i am making this “conversation” up in my head and am basing these mythical comments based on having been in so many editorial conferences AND on just thinking what i would do if we suddenly had the funding to print/publish the work here..

    what would you say is your “lead”??? if you were going to layout a magazine spread, and you had the editorial power to do so, what would the opening picture be??? i can see all of your pictures as “supporting pictures”, but i just cannot find an “opener”…

    when you go back to Timor , please think about this…now, it is possible that the real story, the whole story, cannot be “shown”…there are some very important “stories” that just do not lend themselves to pictures….not everything that is “important” makes an essay or picture story….

    i will exaggerate to make a point:

    AIDS issue…CAN be shown in pictures

    MELTING ICE CAP issue…CANNOT be shown in pictures (yet!)..ok, yes before and after satellite shots, but i think you know what i am saying..

    i am not equating the Timor issue with a melting polar cap in terms of pictures, but i think it is difficult to show exactly why and how these people are oppressed…right now, you show us pictures of people that seem could be taken in any developing country anywhere..only with words could the situation be “explained”..and maybe that is just the way it is….and, as i said, i am just looking at this now from a magazine point of view..

    so, in summary, you either have to be very very storytelling i.e. for a magazine story….OR go very very esoteric and give us an “artistic interpretation” where the pictures themselves are so strong that they “carry” the story or make us want to read the story…

    your work here is good Ross…i just want to see you make it stronger and more compelling….work that cannot be denied..work that forces us into the lives of a suffering culture….

    MARCIN…

    i cannot open “Hometown”…am i doing something wrong??? i do not know the picture to which you refer…???????? i went to your link and see nothing….

    cheers, david

  • DAVID BOWEN….

    if there is one thing i will like about a photographer it is when the photographer is totally reflecting who “they are”..not who somebody else is, but who “they are”..

    this work is quite obviously YOU….

    as usual, i want to dig in there and edit…but, actually not too much in your case…this work needs to be “freestyle”..there are many ways to go with an edit of this work..

    you have lots and lots of stunning imagery reflecting your clearly twisted soul (teasing)…seriously, your eye for the irony/humor of the pop culture/sex/dance scene is quite provocative…you honestly have some truly wonderful party scenes reminiscent of Larry Fink’s New York party world…some way better than his!!!

    Panos, Joni Karanka, and you are working in somewhat the same world, but the three of you are quite different in approach…

    Joni sees it but is “backed off”..his work is kind of like a “secret camera’ hidden somewhere…

    you and Panos have a beer in one hand and a camera in the other….but Panos’ work is more tragic (yes, Greek tragedy), sometimes sad…

    and you are just in there having a great time!!!

    you gotta get this work “down”..edited….organized….printed….presented as a “whole”…

    cheers, david

  • Hi David,

    I hope to have caught you in a live moment.

    If you have the time, would you mind commenting on a story of mine? Something along the lines of what you said to Ross, a perspective from a hypothetical group of editors would really be helpful as I have essentially a week left to fill any gaps, before it goes up for editorial review at a magazine.

    The link is http://www.charliemahoney.net, then click ‘portfolios’ and ‘Spain: Living in the Shadows.” It’s a story you’ve seen before, but I’m close on publishing this and would really value your feedback.

    I hope to hear from you.

    all the best,
    Charlie

  • Bob,

    wow, thanks for that interesting read. And you are right! Im obsessed by the diaristic mode of shooting, the intimacy of it. And thats for sure whats driving me with HSH of FT or the still life shots of the domestic variety. And yes, the riverside stuff is just photography but its fun, it lets me sort of try something new, and maybe focus more on a compositionally driven sort of stuff vs emotional and intimate stuff. Then again the Riverside stuff is purposefully void of emotion…Im trying to steralize it as much as I can in that regard.

    What Id love more than anything is to really emerse myself in that environment more…but the FT stuff is basically the fruit of 3 or 4 visits to my inlaws…it really needs time and exposure of a more sustained kind than I had the chance to give it. I live in Seoul and they live about 4 hours away and Im pretty much unable to get there except 2 or 3 times a year because of work.

    A much better editor might be able to put the 3 together (HSH, Family Ties and the Domestic Stills sets) and perhaps make something bigger. Im not sure how it will go, be it JUST HSH or maybe expand it and make it much larger. I have plans of getting MY side of the family in Poland and Chicago and Canada..but thats all about $$$$$ and time I dont really have.

  • CHARLIE…

    ok, give me a few minutes…need to make coffee

  • from SEAN GALLAGHER:

    “…Dear Everybody,

    Thanks to those who gave a little feedback about the Beijing Air piece by MediaStorm. It was a very cool piece to be involved with, especially with some of the excellent photographers who were part of it. Air pollution seems to be the hot topic out here at the moment and rightly so to be honest.

    I wanted to ask people on the blog about PERPIGNAN. Is anybody going? I’ve just found out that I have to make an unforseen exit from China for 2 weeks due to some visa restrictions which, in their lack of flexibility, mean I have to exit the country for that time. Conveniently though, the two weeks falls at the end of August/beginning of September, which means that I can make the trip to Perpignan. The problem is that a lot of the accommodation is already booked up and I really want to make it there for my first time. If anyone here on the blog knows of anyone with a spare room/couch/piece of floor that they wouldn’t mind be using for a week (pro week Sept 1-7), I would be very very grateful. If you know of anyone, please feel free to pass onto them my email sean@gallagher-photo.com I’m a great guest and am happy to cook and clean a little to pay my way! ;)

    Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

    Bestest,
    Sean”

    Cheers Panos…”

  • RAFAL…

    HSH, Family Ties, Domestic Stills, can easily be put together…they belong together!!!

    but, yours is not a “magazine coverage’ kind of essay where you “need” one place or another..totally different than either Ross or Charlie who are “covering” a social issue in a magazine reportage sort of way…

    Bob wrote about your “motives and moves” so eloquently as usual..and your work says it all…we all “feel” every word Bob wrote..and yes yes any great essay, even though “specific” by nature, becomes “universal” when we are touched by the power of true intimacy….

    CHARLIE….

    yes, i have seen your work on the African immigrants before…for sure, a potentially great story…

    ok, you want a critique from a magazine editor’s viewpoint???

    here is what i think an editor would think:

    you, like Ross, need a “lead”…that one picture which speaks to all the things, or at least one of the things, you mention in your text…

    stories in magazines that may have 6-10 pictures, all have one or two pictures to “hang the story on”…pivotal storytelling pictures…

    the most obvious picture you “need” for any major magazine is the one which shows where these men (only men??) are…for example, where is Barcelona in any of these pictures??

    i do not see these men as “living in the shadows” of Barcelona…i just see African men living in poverty….

    you need the contrast between Barcelona, one of Europe’s most prosperous eclectic cities, and the lives these men have been forced to live…

    and you need it in one powerful picture…

    you must remember that magazines are for the masses..not for photographers….mass communication editors have a relatively simplistic way of presenting material to their readers….i am sure any magazine editor would tell you what i just told you..

    the “supporting pictures” you have are quite good…you have obviously “gotten in” and are able to work…so, just go make that “key” picture….

    now, i know you are going to tell me that these men are not strolling along Paseig de Gracia…i know that….but, they do come into contact with BARCELONA in some way…you must find that way….aren’t these men selling stuff to rich tourists cruising around the Ramblas etc etc??? if you had an assignment from any magazine, the editors would EXPECT that picture for sure based on your very own words….

    now, Charlie i am only giving you this critique based on what i think you wanted..i am NOT saying this is the only way to shoot this essay…it is just the “magazine way” which is , i think, what you asked for..

    just yesterday i saw an essay on the same subject by a woman from the Netherlands…she has taken a different , less obvious, esoteric yet still journalistic approach…

    she photographed in Senegal the beds where these men used to sleep…the homes they left behind..a brilliant approach i thought…no people in these photographs at all…just empty beds….empty rooms…

    she worked on this for weeks…

    NOW, she will go to France and photograph the men themselves where they are living in Marseilles in much the same way as your men in Barcelona..she will do portraits/daily vignettes and match them with the empty beds…and then, she will do the same thing in New York..

    i am always reluctant to compare one photographer to another…and she is not a “better photographer’ than you, but her concept is very special and on exactly the same subject…

    i only mention it because i worry about photographers like you and like Ross because you are trying the rather “tried and true” classic picture story at a time when i think these kinds of stories are barely marketable even to the magazine editors of whom i spoke above….

    times have changed…tastes have changed…..to survive now i think young emerging photographers need to think either very conceptually, or if “straight photojournalism” is your goal, then go with an audio/video combo as does MediaStorm or VII slide shows or Magnum in Motion…

    i hate to be the “spoiler” on this forum..not a fun job….so many readers here love your pictures…but, i do come from the “school of honest opinion” as i think you know…and i like your pictures too…liking pictures is not enough for where you want to go… i just have to tell you the way it is based on so much work i see coming in from everywhere…

    by the way, you live in Barcelona ..right?? will you be coming to Perpignan??? if so, we can meet and i can give you a more personal one on one critique and more suggestions for which way to take your career….

    are you up for that??

    be of good cheer…i hope to see you soon…

    peace, david

  • Thanks David,

    I always envisioned them together in a bigger whole….its good to hear you and Bob agree with that.

  • SEAN…

    it will be tough to find a room reservation this year because it is the 20th anniversary of Visa Pour L’Image…

    however, come anyway!!!!

    i have rolled into Perpignan at the last minute several times with no room reserved and everyone saying no rooms, no rooms and then i found a room!!!

    some of the rooms you may find at the last minute may not be so convenient and are certainly not “on line reservations”, but they will be there i am 99% sure…besides people are “crashing” all over the place…the beach is nice!!! make friends with somebody…you are resourceful, you can figure it out….i mean, this is a photo fest of people who figure things out!!!

    (thanks for being a messenger Panos)

    cheers, david

  • DAVID

    When you click on “hometown” should be showed “coming soon…”.
    I am really hurry to upload this story. Give me please time to end of next week. I will process all of films and scan the best part.
    simultaneously I will upload “cuba” pictures and very soon portarits.

    work in progress

  • robert / david ‘o’ bowen

    While that stuff is fun to view, those “social scene” photographers are popping up a dime a dozen. We even have one in my home town. That may sound it has a hint of criticism (maybe a little) but really if someone is having success socializing with a camera, more power to them. It’s just that most of the time those guys aren’t finding genuinely good moments, but creating ordinary ones. You see a page of that stuff and that’s all you need to see.

    Actually “Last Night’s Party” is pretty good, but there’s still so much stuff where nothing ‘real’ is happening, that it’s hard to weed through it.

    Bowen your work is way better than that. You should check out Pat Graham’s “Silent Pictures”. He’s committed to shooting the bands, but it’s kind of the same vibe as your scene shots.

    Maybe you can find a home at http://akashicbooks.com/.

  • MARCIN…

    relax….i am not in a hurry!!!!

    as a matter of fact, i have no more time today anyway!!!

    i just read where you were referring to a particular picture, and i had the time to take a look…that’s all…

    i will be ready when you are ready….

    do you need more film???

    peace, david

  • DAVID

    The hometown story will be finished at the end of next week anyway.

    Thanks for your offer, but I have enough films. This comunity help me more than I am deserve.

    peace

  • DAVID

    I made mistake, there should be “I will add pictures of old woman” not “I add this portrait”
    I apologize, this is olny weakness of my english skills.

    peace one more time

  • DAH

    If you are up for a little chat Friday, I should be around..

    GINA

    please give a shout if you make it to Slideluck, I plan to be there

    LANCE

    awesome about Kelly’s work being shown in a pool! If I owned a digi, I’d take images for her..but I am sure others will.

    DAVID B

    I had the same impression as DAH about the Finkness. These are my favs..and I would also love to see more in the edit of individuals alone; for example, the person sleeping alone covered with newspaper I think it was. Something that speaks about the individual experience in a mass experience.

    Nice phone message..I am hoping that it was someone else’s phone, otherwise, bummer you had to work!

  • Lots to consider from DAH words here:

    “i worry about photographers (who) are trying the rather “tried and true” classic picture story at a time when i think these kinds of stories are barely marketable even to the magazine editors of whom i spoke above….”

  • @DAVID BOWEN: welcome to the tormented souls of DAH’s blog. Hum. I really like some shots, they seem to overcome music scene cliches. (Specifically, girl with bubblegum, girls sitting down with ferry in the background, people in jacuzzi.)

    @DAH: trust me, I do shoot with a beer in my hand (as seen in some focusing deficiencies every now and then…) :o) (oh, I meant by not being able to operate the rangefinder, not because of seeing blurry)

  • Joni, I bought to myself Olympus XA2 on ebay in 17€ !! Thank you!! I risk to ask from you advice!!

  • JONI….

    oh, i had no doubt you had a beer in your hand too!!!! yes, operating the range finder of a Leica with a beer in your left hand can present problems for your summicron…of course, as soon as you get the beer down to half full or less, then the problem lessens…i am sure you know the beer bottle does make an adequate “barpod” should you be working with slow shutter speeds…i do not like beer out of can, but the can makes an even better barpod…

    ERICA…

    alas, i will not be around on friday after all…Magnum gathering in the Hamptons for a swim and a burger…back on the 10th…will call…sorry to miss you this week…

    cheers, david

  • David,
    :) funny things happened after I wrote first e-mail for you. I started Dance Studios project in 2006 but because it’s hard to find a place they let me work there, I’ve just photographed 5 classes till now cuz I became more engaged with Rooms and I was tired of so many NO answers I was received I put it aside for a while. last week when I was searching in my archive I looked at them again and I remember I haven’t had a big NO from some of my connections yet then I call them again and by chance two of them worked at last and now I have a time for photography in the week coming, by chance I saw Wendy’s pictures from a ballet class in Tehran and again by chance (!) one of my friend who liked the pictures (she saw them 5 or 6 months ago) called me to say she talked and show pictures to a galley in Washington and they are interested
    what are you thinking? do they have the capacity to be shown in an exhibition?

  • @DAH: nothing beats a pile of 5-7 pint glasses one inside another as a barpod. And the width of mouth of the british pint assures that it fits perfectly a number of different cameras (amazingly well a yashica mat, for 6×6).

    @Audrey: congratulations! I hope you have fun with that little beauty! (Ask anytime, but it is an easy little beast.)

  • David, I know they are more interested to DS pix because of their subject than their quality
    I am thinking about what you wrote for Charley and the way you suggested, actually it was in my mind from the day I saw emerging photographers sellection or when I was looking at magnum new members portfolios. somehow it wasn’t clear for me… what you wrote in that post made me thinking more about ” times have changed…tastes have changed ”

  • Thanks everyone for the congratulations. I managed to swing a ticket so I will be in Brooklyn on Saturday night. I’m excited to see all of the work.

    ERICA and GINA… Will you be there Saturday? I’d love to meet up for a bit. Is anyone else going to go on Saturday?

    DAVID… Will you be around your place (packing, maybe?) on Saturday early-afternoon?I’d love to stop by for a brief visit. I am a great packer if you need some help. If not, I’ll see you somewhere in the world soon, I’m sure.

    AUDREY… Your words were very kind. Cheers.
    JOAN… I wrote back to your email. I hope you received it.
    SEAN… I really enjoyed the piece on Asia and pollution that you were part of. Well done and thanks for sharing.

  • CATHY, ERICA, JOAN, MIKE

    I appreciate your concern! Erica, I can only imagine what was going through your head as you watched food fly off the shelves…!! :) Cathy, I’m thankful your hairdresser (and the sharp instruments he/she uses to trim) were nowhere near your head. And, yes, it’s mind-boggling that some people simply don’t feel a thing!

    RYAN

    My cellphone wouldn’t make calls either… Good to know it’s useful in an emergency.

    CATHY + PANOS

    You guys want to shoot together while Cathy is here/near?

  • RYAN

    p.s. 2 babies?? You’ve multiplied. Is this a new addition??

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !
    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.
    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?
    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.
    it is over for now..
    it’s been over for a good while now..
    6 months at least :o/
    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..
    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..
    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..
    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…
    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..
    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…
    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.
    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..
    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?
    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.
    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)
    the distiction is clear to me.
    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.
    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.
    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.
    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..
    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…
    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.
    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..
    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.
    more.
    much more.
    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..
    means alot.
    means i’ve not wasted ten years.
    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !

    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.

    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?

    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.

    it is over for now..

    it’s been over for a good while now..

    6 months at least :o/

    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..

    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..

    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..

    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…

    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..

    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…

    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.

    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..

    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?

    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.

    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)

    the distiction is clear to me.

    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.

    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.

    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.

    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..

    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…

    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.

    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..

    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.

    more.

    much more.

    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..

    means alot.

    means i’ve not wasted ten years.

    that much.

  • DAH..

    larry fink !

    for the love of jesu.. that is praise.

    you cheered me up.. i caught a cod and a mackerel fishing, then the rod snapped, so i was a bit pissed.

    many thanks indeed.. deeply and sincerely.. thank you. a little voice in my head has been telling me i’m not welcome back into the photography fold after 10 years ‘away’, as it were.

    you’re quite right about beer of course.. actually a beer in one hand was the least of it, mi amigo.. a silver platter of potions.. covering all eventualities.. tough skin a pre-requisite.. then, where would you like to go to today sir?

    being visually fixated, you can probably guess my favorite tipples…. i’ll not dirty your ‘house’ with such talk though.

    i’ll start to post some of my writing in the blog.. some of the stranger happenings.. and there have been some strange ones.. yeps.

    it is over for now..

    it’s been over for a good while now..

    6 months at least :o/

    i figured the stories could accompany some photos for context..

    ‘photographs and notebooks’

    plenty more photos to come..

    all shot on film of course, (the days wait was always a treat..)

    the whole thing was a trip to be honest..

    unexpected and most pleasurable… although i had a girlfriend for 6 of the years and even when she got sick of my being away and left me i never indulged in too much of the.. well.. filth…

    some of it smelt bad to me.. and towards the end of the ten years promoters liked me working because i also acted as ‘party-policeman’..

    …which worked fine until one night in 2006 i prevented something particularly rotten.. then i was spiked with sleeping tablets.. stripped.. eyebrows shaved and obscenities written and drawn over my body in permanent marker.

    that was a tough journey home, but, you know… the eyebrows grew back.. :o)

    i always felt very peripheral .. i’m not even sure if i was ever that comfortable in the crowd to be honest…

    i loved photographing it, but talking about it bored me somewhat.. i danced like a geography teacher, took my photos, enjoyed the gibberish chat and all the good animals and then hit the hotel bar.

    i once thought i was a polar bear, but in fact i’m a dinosaur :o)

    i tried to be invisible and mostly was.. i got a technique down for being very quick.. pre-focus, ambient reading on the light-show.. set up manual, flash off camera obviously, and that created an ‘in-focus bubble’ around the subjects.. then look for the busiest part of the room.. walk around the edge and snap… sometimes looked through the viewfinder.. i know the coverage of my lenses very well.. lots of fun..

    joni

    thanks.. when i started it was film and so there were none of the ‘digital pretenders’ who flock to clubs and spoil the crowd, for websites like ’till-late.com’… the industry has collapsed to a degree and i doubt there are many oportunities to do what i did anymore.. perhaps with two or three titles, although on the whole it’s getting a lot tougher.

    was always about the photos – the mag wanted dj shots and then i could please myself..

    there are a bunch of cliche shots – it’s only after a few years doing it that you start to see the common views, no?

    i used to just test flash my sb28 to pacify people who grabbed me to ‘take their picture’.. dull.. dull.

    everything clicks after a few years and you know what to try and avoid..

    david mc

    thanks – will have a look.. it’s always good to find photographers working music venues rather than music fans freeloading :o)

    the distiction is clear to me.

    i was a resident photographer for a promoter / label called renaissance 99 till 2001.. i showed them photos from india.. not a single party photo.

    DJ magazine – my longest client – i first showed my exhibition concerning tibetans in exile.

    they want photographers

    brilliant fun.

    just a great subject to shoot.

    erica.

    ha – someone elses phone.. yes..

    actually, it was.. in space, ibiza i believe.. a girls phone.. hmm..

    i was much more interested in testing the bounds of reality than the sex..

    you know.. everone has the same ‘bits’ after a while.. but behaving like a child in public.. thats endless fun…

    whichever writer i was working with there were special ‘tricks’ we would play. other people must have hated us.. but we had a lot of fun.

    hunter thompson was a lightweight.

    you”re right about individual people as well.. they are the photos which interest me most.. individual groovers or little pockets of gorgeousness.. then the struggling people.. isolated..

    so strange how a ‘fun’ environment could be so tough at times.

    ____

    so – to come.

    more.

    much more.

    of everything.

    :o)

    thanks again all..

    means alot.

    means i’ve not wasted ten years.

    that much.

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.
    thanks for the email.

    enjoy
    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.

    thanks for the email.

    enjoy

    x

  • Audrey – ax2.. fantastic bits of kit.

    thanks for the email.

    enjoy

    x

  • DAH (and everybody who wants to give an opinion),

    if you’re still around (probably not) I have a question for you.
    You wrote:
    “you (david bowen) and Panos have a beer in one hand and a camera in the other….but Panos’ work is more tragic (yes, Greek tragedy), sometimes sad…”

    Do you think the geographic (and historical) background of a photographer always comes out, more or less, or we are all “globalized” by now, expecially the new generations?
    Do you see in my countrymen photographers any sort of “italian touch”, those you personally know at least, such as Majoli, Pellegrin or Scianna (btw, question in the question, i never read you quoting Ferdinando Scianna, he’s a longtime Magnum member, isnt he? what do you think of his work?)

    thanks and ciao
    enjoy italy (too hot these days)

  • DAH (and everybody who wants to give an opinion),

    if you’re still around (probably not) I have a question for you.
    You wrote:
    “you (david bowen) and Panos have a beer in one hand and a camera in the other….but Panos’ work is more tragic (yes, Greek tragedy), sometimes sad…”

    Do you think the geographic (and historical) background of a photographer always comes out, more or less, or we are all “globalized” by now, expecially the new generations?
    Do you see in my countrymen photographers any sort of “italian touch”, those you personally know at least, such as Majoli, Pellegrin or Scianna (btw, question in the question, i never read you quoting Ferdinando Scianna, he’s a longtime Magnum member, isnt he? what do you think of his work?)

    thanks and ciao
    enjoy italy (too hot these days)

  • ERICA & KELLY

    It now looks like I am not going to NYC this weekend for the SlideLuck. I have to be in DC Sunday morning… I do get up there often and will let you know next time I am there. gina

  • Hey Charlie, I’d be interested to learn more about the legal limbo you mention of the africans in your story.

    Is Spain really releasing in the wilderness of its urban centers, people who have no identification? Therefore creating a whole population of disenfranchised, undocumented sub-citizens to fend on their own, which would equate to multiply the problem that is at the base of immigration problems most European countries want to do something about?

    What did these men expect or hope for, crossing the strait? Economic Refugee status, any work at any price? Once in such limbo, what are their expectations? Also, there are many tribal network rebuilt within the african diasporas in Europe, which can help but also recreate vicious circle of dependancy, and etc…

    It is a story that, for starting with poverty, becomes extremely complex, though I am not sure how photography can unveil that complexity.

  • ERICA,NASHA…

    both of you pulled out my quote to Charlie about “tried and true picture stories….” having a tough time in the market place and “times have changed, tastes have changed”

    please please read this again in the context it was written and if i was not clear i will re-phrase it…these lines were written and intended in the context of the paragraphs before it, where i was writing about how the Netherlands woman was handling the same story…

    so, yes there are two concerns of mine for both Ross and Charlie…both of whom want to shoot for major magazines…and it is only it this light that i am commenting at all…and with the same request from both men…

    one, they are both missing key “lead” storytelling pictures that i feel any editor would want on the type of straight photojournalistic stories they are shooting..a traditional approach…

    two, if i were a young emerging photographer and trying to do photojournalism, i would really concentrate on exploring the multi-media outlets….

    BUT, more importantly, the Netherlands photographer is doing a journalistic story, yet in a conceptual way..it is her kind of thinking that lead to my comment “tastes change”…her approach is non-traditional, poetic, lends itself to much more than a magazine piece and is the kind of work that Ross and Charlie are competing with in today’s market..

    we all know there is not too much of a market for the traditional picture story….but, there are some…still Natgeo, Geo, and a few regional magazines….so these should not be ignored….and my critique to Ross and Charlie was for these types of magazines..

    but, i think we all also know that these magazines have shrinking budgets, have less space than ever, reduced production quality, and may sooner rather than later disappear…maybe not…i sure hope not….but, i would not think a young photographer would build a career plan around them either…

    as has been the case since man started evolving on the planet, the new generation has to invent new stuff…take tradition and build something new out of it…

    for example, i was able to get large bodies of work and build a career out of Natgeo..but, Natgeo then was not Natgeo now when we (Allard, Cobb, Abell,Doubilet,Stanfield, moi) got there…with the help of two key editors we had to re-invent the place from what it was …Life and Look magazines were the preferred tradition for us coming out of school and they both died just as we were trying to get started in our mid twenties..all the “greats” of the time worked for Life or Look…Natgeo had zero cred as a serious place to shoot before the 70″s….trust me, we had a mountain to climb…but we just kept at it…and finally, Natgeo became a home for many photographers and produced some fine essays over the years and some great ones are still being done..

    but, i think anyone can see there now has to be another “new beginning”…an invention or a re-configuring of something that now exists…books are the “new light” for one thing and perhaps multi-media for another…and maybe a new type of magazine…

    anyway, that is why we are all here…to figure this all out!!! i laughed out loud when Joni welcomed David Bowen to the “tortured souls of the DAH blog”..funny…

    but surely i am an optimist by nature..and i can lend a hand to all of you and i have some new territory to explore myself, but it is incumbent on you guys to have to think think think …..

    there is not one single “bad thing” in this whole equation…you, we, should have a great time doing this re-invention…i have had a great great time during my whole career “struggle”…you will too….hey, there is pleasure in pain, if the pain leads to pleasure…or, something like that!!! Bob, say it right!!!!

    peace, david

  • KELLY….

    i will be back home friday night and here saturday til about 3pm or so…come by for friday nite cold beer (Erica and Andrew Sullivan may be here) or saturday lunch???

    call me anytime….

    cheers, david

  • I wish I could make Friday night, but I get in Saturday at noon, so I’ll head over around lunch. Thanks, David.

  • SEAN

    I think we met briefly at the LOOK3 friday night artist reception… I am going to Perpignan – but have a full room right now. Let me see if I can ask a few people at NG if they have floor space or something. I’ll see what I can do….

    gina (gmartin@ngs.org)

  • DAVID:

    Thanks for the detailed response. It was great, really. The feedback you have given is similar to what the editor told me, although they were looking for one night time cityscape type shot to give the photo essay a sense of place. I have some time, granted a week to pull something like this off, so I’m going for it. And no worries, your honesty is exactly what I was looking for.

    The part about “tried and true” photography is a conversation we can leave for another day, maybe even in Perpignan as I will be there this year from Tuesday on, so I’m game to catch up there. In any event I understand exactly what you are talking about.

    Thanks again! This is just the feedback I needed to get motivated to get back out there.

    all the best,
    Charlie

  • DAVID, CHARLIE, BOWEN, ERICA, PANOS…

    THE REST OF YOU ALL,

    following up on David’s long last post (:))))): that’s some righteous shit he’s spillin’

    take ears y’all take ears! :)))))…

    so, for you all…

    here is something for you: more poetic than what i had tried to write long ago here about struggle…pleasure and pain..

    this boy says it better :))))

    hugs

  • GUIDO…

    you have asked a very good question…

    i do not think we are YET artistically globalized…

    all of us can see the clear artistic lines from one culture to another…i see totally different styles between Eastern Europeans, and Japanese and Scandinavians and French and Germans and Americans and well, of course, you Italians have it all!!! (didn’t Caravaggio “invent” light???)..why aren’t there more Spanish photographers?? everyone asks this question all the time, but that is another issue…

    perhaps the biggest “jump” in style goes to Japan and Korea…..no Westerner could do this work…

    Scianna i love…both the man and much his work….sorry i have not quoted him, i have not quoted many photogs i admire, but Scianna is a “real Italian”..Sicily!!! of course, the best part of Scianna is when he gets mad…wow, what a show!!!!

    cheers, david

  • DAH

    yep, understood, but am glad you expanded the thought..

    KELLY

    Can you email me so I can email you my phone number so we can try to hook up Saturday, apres your visit to David..erica at ericamcdonaldphoto.com

    Sorry you can’t make it Gina..

  • DAVID B

    I just got into my Super 8 motel room in Syracuse, NY–only 200 miles from tomorrow’s destination!–and the first thing I did was look at your photos. As a hardcore EM-lover, man, I am BLOWN AWAY!!! You have SO captured the ambience, energy, craziness, sweetness, rawness of it all. I LOVE IT!!! And at the bottom of one of the blog entries, you ask, “Do I need to include Detroit, the home of House music?” As a Detroiter myself, you can imagine my response. God, man, you’ve got to come to the Mecca!!! DEMF, the last weekend in May 2009. BE HERE!!! Wait a minute. When is your baby due? It may not work for you to travel this year, but SOME year. Please!

    And your book is going to be a smash hit. We EM folks love nothing better than to see ourselves in our element. Of course, I see it as a film documentary with LOUD sound! Oh yes.

    Patricia

  • There probably is a trend to photography from different countries, but is it disappearing? Im Polish, but because Ive lived all around (Canada, US, now Korea) I dont think I shoot in a Polish way. But then again I dont shoot in a Korean way or an American way or a Canadian way (is there such a thing as Candian photography?). I think its less the country of origin or even where you have always lived and more the influences youve picked up along the way that shape you, maybe with a dash of seasoning from your nationality/culture.

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..
    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…
    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..
    yes.
    picture scene –
    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..
    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’
    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.
    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..
    together we ARE DnB
    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.
    love ya boots
    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..

    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…

    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..

    yes.

    picture scene –

    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..

    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’

    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.

    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..

    together we ARE DnB

    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.

    love ya boots

    x

  • GRANDMA T

    yesyes – i think may 2009 will be likely.. would love to see motown.. god.. thats where my journey in music all began.. then house music..

    it is essential isn’t it? yes.. one more party.. just one more..

    hohoho.

    interesting that you mention film.. it’s been an ambition for a long while to make a film about it all.. perhaps put some of the more extreme happenings into a one month time frame.. 4 commissions in the life of a photographer and writer who cannot afford the life they live.. the twists required to get the money to do the job.. the oddness along the way.. then back home.. to living in a bedsit or a studio.. eating beans on toast for 4 or 5 days then back to it..

    5 star living, part time… limos, champagne and beans on toast…

    i’m going to write some of what we got up to..

    yes.

    picture scene –

    myself and a writer in an airport elevator.. a suited business man jumps in as the doors are closing.. ‘magic’ jason looks at me..

    ‘david – will we take our clothes off?’

    ‘yes.. why not?’ i reply..

    baby boy is due 9th october .. boy he kicks like a dancer.. a better one than me i’ll warrent.

    i’m going to keep the name a surprise for now :o)

    as an aside.. my lover is beate..

    together we ARE DnB

    hohoho.

    will do that may 2009.. no problem.

    love ya boots

    x

  • DAVID B

    WAHOO!!! David Bowen dances with Grandma Techno, Motown, May 2009! Now THERE’S a hot thought to keep us warm during the long cold winter months! Wonder if we could get any other Road Trippers to join us? Hey, Anton, any chance???

    David, here are a couple links to check out:

    http://www.myspace.com/detroitmusicfest

    http://www.pbase.com/windchimewalker/demf_07

    The second is pics I took & posted in ’07. Not great but they give you an idea. At least an idea of the fest itself. Now, from what I understand, the REAL festival happens all night & into the morning hours at the afterparties. That’s why you’ll want to stay at a motel or hotel right downtown. Ed and I are too far out for you to be able to do it as it deserves to be done. You’ve got to be at the CENTER of the action!!!

    In terms of dates, I just looked up Memorial Day weekend 2009. Movement 09: DEMF will be Saturday, May 23-Monday, May 25, 2009. But the parties start on Thursday & Friday.

    Love to you, Beate & the little dancer (!).

    Grandma Techno

  • hey hey – missed this.. wrot to you in the ‘new’ thread first.

    brilliant.. i’m not so young anymore.
    after-parties are starting to scare the bejesus out of me.. too many shapes being pulled and some strange animals to be sure.. to be sure..
    will see how it works out.. afterparties feel more like ‘the quickening’ form the highlander these days.. although i can still be tempted.. mm..

    in any case – i’ll make supreme efforts to get there in may. would be wonderful to dance.. i’ll dig out my corduroy jacket with leather patches on the elbows to complete the geography teacher look i have been perfecting.
    dancing has always been about fun, as you know very well i’m sure.. dancing areobics.. crawling through peoples legs who keep them to wide while they groove.. and teh dance moves like diggin a hole.. pouring a pint.
    even dancing around the shoe.. praise the shoe.

    mind working now.. i’ll bet i can find a client and maybe get them to fund it.. at least for a hotel..

    will be a grand little gathering?

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