Comments on: late nite movie https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:34:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: Guer https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13917 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:34:39 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13917 Perhaps another movie to add to the collection… The CBC Documentary “Beyond Words: Photographers of War”?

The short (10 minute) version of the film can be seen on the CBC website at:
http://www.cbc.ca/beyondwords/
And the full length version is available at:
http://www.poynterextra.org/NPPA2006/index.htm
(by clicking on Judge’s Choice on the left hand side menu).

The film includes interviews with a number of photojournalists; a collection of inner reflections…

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By: Harry https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13918 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:07:33 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13918 “Fortunately, there are still photojournalists to record what is happening. Let their pictures provide power to the people! I cannot conceive of a better way to spend our three score years
and ten on this planet. Especially now.”

Philip Jones Griffiths in Aperture Magazine

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By: Ross Nolly https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13919 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:45:37 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13919 Herve;
Have just watched it- very moving…. I had heard of it but hadn’t watched it because I can’t get broadband where I live. It takes ages to download video. It took 3 hours to download!
Thank you

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13920 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:02:58 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13920 Valle Central, Chile. Cabernet.

Better with food…but when nothing else is around, yeah sure, perfectly fine by itself! ;^}

Been “homeless.” Prefer the alternative.

Hey, you going to Michael Shapiro’s? Festival of the Photograph? Both? Neither?

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13921 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:25:01 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13921 Thanks Michael…
where is that wine from, again ?
I mean it looks dark red – merlot ? cabernet ?
Is it domestic…?
Sorry, but i live in the wine country for the moment….
i need to move on though… nothing to shoot… here,
golf courses, leisure, lamborghini’s, aston martins,
not even PARR could find something “ugly” or “middle class”, you know… You can taste wines all day, and spend the rest of your money in any of the 6-8-10 ( i dont even know…) INDIAN CASINOS…
you see this is NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN LAND….
people here dont pay taxes… ( except from me of course ),
thats why the dodge ” vipers “, and “lambos”…
NO TAXES… the casinos do not pay taxes….
So it is weird in a way… but not access to photograph…
very limited…
ABSOLUTELY NO photography , IN CASINOS…

$3.65 for gas today and $4.11 for diesel…

and someone mentioned above that if you you want to do
great photography you have to travel, connect,surprise our
selves and step into the fire… be homeless…
Put danger into the game…

so Michael, can you drink this wine , solo ( with no food),
let’s say, next to a pool, or it has to be next to a burger, to cover it up…peace

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13922 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:17:40 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13922 Panayiotis! You out there?

The Che wine is… not horrible. Glad I only spent 10 bucks! But seriously, it’d be a decent drink with a burger or pasta or some crappy cheez-its…which is what I’m drinking it with right now! I’m not proud.

Peace,
-M

Herve–

your last post…a nice coda. Thanks.

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By: Herve https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13923 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:11:27 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13923 Ross, friends, maybe you are familiar with this next link. Pretty much, we can leave the last word on the matter of what changes can photographs possibly make nowadays to none other than James nachtwey. If I remember, he tells for each shot what were the consequences of publishing it:

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By: Ross Nolly https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13924 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:26:25 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13924 Michael;
You’re right about access. Remember that Don McCullin was prevented going to the Falklands, probably because they didn’t want his “type” there….

As for photography changing events, I feel it did help bring about the end of the Vietnam war. Sure their were other factors too, but the images, both still and moving, shocked everyone.

It’s no coincidence that Vietnam was the first and last war where photojournalists had pretty much free reign to go where they liked & to send whatever they shot back to the newsrooms. Those in power knew what those powerful images did to public opinion…

I was born in 63 so was pretty young when the Vietnam war ended, but the images remain with me to this day.

I can vividly remember the TV helicopters landing on the US Embassy as they evacuated everyone, & of those same helicopters being pushed overboard after.

As for the Vietcong execution image (Eddie Adam’s I think) & Nick Ut’s well they are emblazoned on my consiousness, even though I was very young at the time….

The problem with human nature is that there will always be despots who need to feed their egos. And know they have the technology and the means to do it much more efficiently…

It must be incerdibly hard for the James Nachtweys of this world to stay motivated and not become cynical…

Take care everyone..

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By: panos skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13925 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:01:28 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13925 right on HERVE!!!

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By: Herve https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13926 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:34:12 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13926 Good morning all,

Another famous thread, thanks…Philip-Jones! ;-)

I just want to say that nothing stays the same, nothing is fixed, there is maybe “That’s today”, but never “that’s reality”. No one, no machine, no civilization will ever have a full grip on humanity. Even, ahahah, God, lets us run things pretty much as good or messily as we wish.

the ride is not over… There are a few shots left worth taking!

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By: tom hyde https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13927 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:02:23 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13927 John,

I very much appreciate your comments here, practical and succinct good thoughts to ponder, we are in your debt. And your most recent Magnum blog post fits this discussion well.

In thinking about the issue of access and control in todays’ hyper-managed media savvy world there is perhaps no better example than the Bush White House and the Presidential campaigns. How can anyone get a meaningful frame in this environment? But some do … the ones who “don’t play their game” as John wrote.

Christopher Anderson’s much-discussed Mitt Romney photo through the snow posted on the Magnum blog is a good example. In my mind it captured some of the absurdity of the campaign, if not the candidate himself. Of the photo Christopher wrote, “It is as if throwing too much light on it might somehow expose these campaign photo ops for what the really are. The designers of these events want us to make a pretty picture. but a pretty picture to me felt like something that would be false to this event. I almost thought of the flash as being like an xray that would reveal what I really see at an event like this.”

And the work of Christopher Morris, both within the Bush White House and on the campaign trail, is brilliant in my mind. One photo in particular, of a glassy-eyed young man in an audience, looking up with such unquestioning, and unthinking, devotion may well sum up the post-911 nationalistic fervor which has led to such tragic consequences. Just brilliant work, and scary, and maybe hardest of all, simple yet full of meaning.

So confine a good photographer, super glue him to a taped X on the floor, but never expect you will ever control him if he can really see.

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By: Jean-Sébastien Bréault https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13928 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:05:26 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13928 Thanks for this movie. It is very interesting to see you in action. I’ve always thought that the manner a photograph moves around his subject is a part of his style.

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By: John Vink https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13929 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:25:48 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13929 Rafal: “BUT the people who do change when looking at photography dont have millions and billions of dollars invested in PREVENTING change and unfortunately those are the people in power”.

Yes sure the powerfull rule about content. Even more so when the content producers provide them with what they want/need. But there are more people (MANY more) without billions of dollars and they are not necessarily interested in the same content. And today there are ways to provide content to them. That was not possible before…

Less access, less outlets? For those topics the powerfull THINK they need to rule: yes…For the rest not so sure… There is always a degree of blindness with the powerfull because of their arrogance. Go for their weak spots: they are quite accessible… Don’t play their game…

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By: Michael Rawcliffe https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13930 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:31:43 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13930 Panos, “Is it “harder” to get “access” today, than BACK in the day ????” Yes: if you want to photographanyone in the “media”.
Dirk Halstead (see The Digital Journalist website) took a photograph of Nixon on the campaign trail giving his signature “V for Victory” salute – stood just behind him – now you stand where you are told to stand (he still got Bill and Monica). Bruce Davidson said that Joan Crawford invited him in to her home for cookies but that “today you would have six different public relations people protecting these stars. You’re not going to get any cookies now” (quote from Photoicon magazine issue 4). Everyone is more aware of the power of photography now.
As for Vietnam, photographers were given free reign to wander almost at will. they used their access well and showed the horror.

During the Falklands war the British media were restricted to only a handful of photographers and it took days to get your photographs back home.

Iraq and Afghanistan require photogs to “embed” and agree to ground rules

Having said all above, they still had to get initial access and that required them to have credibility or reputation. So perhaps, for the rest of us, the question is how do we approach people and seem genuine and credible? Those first few moments are SO important.

Best,

Mike.

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By: Rafal Pruszynski https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13931 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:33:25 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13931 John,

thanks.

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By: John Vink https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13932 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:30:12 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13932 Rafal: Thomas Dworzak. The Taliban pictures were collected by him.

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By: Rafal Pruszynski https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13933 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:14:06 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13933 but photography is one of the most inspiring, and arresting medias
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Yes, and one of the most versatile. On this we agree 100%:)

As far as communism, I didnt name many:) I could start with 10 million Solidarity members but writing 10 million words is Bob’s forte, not me LOL. Im kidding. But the point is that it was the perfect storm with so many things happening almost at once. Sure, it was crumbling for a long time but these things can last without an end, look at North Korea which has been “collapsing” for years and still stands….things have to happen almost at once for huge change to come about.

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By: Herve https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13934 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:04:49 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13934 It was interesting how these guys looked so effeminite in many of these portraits.
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That’s what bonding under duress does to men. Maybe….(I have no idea…. I swear!!!) :-)))

Rafal, it’s all a bit mixed at this point. not all our points are about photography, or about stopping war dead in its track. If Abu Graib, the wanton humiliation/killing of men by US soldiers, is off the map, and quicker because of the snaps, I won’t spit on that just because the war ain’t over yet.

I also think you named an awful lot of individuals as concerns the fall of communism. Even a president of the USA, just a couple decades ago. Without going about Reagan deserving or not credit, I think it shows even high up (pope, Gorby, Reagan) it’s not as rotten. Did they do it because they had power leverage? yes, but they were not born with it. So something does happen to individuals that they can make a difference. Even lesser ones, power wise, Walesa, Havel, guys who could have given up after too much intimidation, they truly refused to be pawns of the “machine”. Then, maybe he is a priest, or a writer, or a photographer…It’s a rich world!

I surely don’t think that now Bush has been 8 years at the helm, it’s all over for changes for the better and individuals making a difference. I am a bit worried, but not really by one guy, and certainly not him.

As far as photography, we are probably in a slump at this point, on many accounts. Access, privacy, image surplus, war News fatigue on the part of the public, there is an enormous force of gravity on that whole media. But it’s a sign of the times, I do not think it’s due to limitations of the craft itself.

It’s hard to pinpoint where it excatly makes no, a little, a little more, or a big difference, but photography is one of the most inspiring, and arresting medias.

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By: Rafal Pruszynski https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13935 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:58:14 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13935 Maybe its different access, panos….while prose may not have as much access cheap tecnhology gives opportunities to those who already have it, the amateurs. id LOVE to see some amateur stuff, even cellphone stuff, shot by the taliban or Al Qaeda…wouldnt you? Who was it that collected studio photos of the Taliban from Afghanistan? I think it was a Magnum guy…I dont think he shot them but he found a bunch of posed portraits of taliban fighters from some studio in Afganistan…what was so cool was how natural they were and how they opened up to the camera…thats access, its not Magnum accessing it but maybe that makes it better. It was interesting how these guys looked so effeminite in many of these portraits.

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By: Rafal Pruszynski https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/03/late-nite-movie/#comment-13936 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:53:59 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/03/17/late-nite-movie/#comment-13936 But they cant. Why? because they arent inside. These photos are so good because they were shot by the criminals doing the torture. Instead of being a reportage they are a diary and thats whay makes them good. Pros just by not being insiders wouldnt be able to get that impact, even if imbedded in the situation. So yes, while a Magnum photog would take much better, more beautiful, better composed photos that would actually make them less impactful in a way.

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