Comments on: new posts…. https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:34:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.4 By: mike https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15106 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:57:17 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15106 Bob:

I didn’t actually call you a sycophant; I called your post a sycophantic ode. You made a huge jump, from reality into… I don’t know what, something that smells dysfunctional and a little loony. The difference isn’t a quibble… I did not characterize you, I commented on your words.

I’m a surprised you are unable to see the difference… you seem mature, intelligent, and claim a creative background, I’d figure you’ve had enough life experience to be able to separate yourself from your posts. I think, too, you set a very bad example for the younger, less experienced, and thinner-skinned here who may be unable to differentiate themselves from their pictures… critique… focused, honest, thoughtful critique is one very effective way to improve work, and sharpen ideas, even though it may not be always pleasant. It should be encouraged. We don’t have that here. I assume people are here to improve their photographic work… I am slowly coming to to conclusion that I’m wrong… folks are here simply seeking validation.

You reinforce this with your promiscuous and brittle defensive stance. Whether it’s Panos or Chris Anderson who is pressed, in your mind, you’re compelled to throw up the barricades. Both, in their own ways, were perfectly able of defending themselves, and did so, perfectly, in their own ways. Your defensive interventions are superfluous, inappropriate, self-serving and promote an oppressive, dysfunctional atmosphere.

I re-read your post on the Magnum blog. Painful. It’s still sycophantic, and if you are trying to argue the praises of Anderson’s work to someone who doesn’t agree, it fails miserably. I’d be happy to tell you why, but I really don’t have the energy to do that favor for you right now… you are a better writer than this.

Notes:

Lugubrious: wrong word. Bobby Kennedy’s funeral train was lugubrious; Carroll’s posts were boneheaded.

Why the fuck would I care if you “know Chris personally”? Actually, makes you sound more… uh, sycophantic.

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By: bobblack https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15107 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:07:45 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15107 ps. you should know that I know Chris personally…my post was not sycophantic but an “argument” about the work..if i’d said i know chris personally, it would have even appeared more as if i were only defending a friend…it’s the work and all that nonsense that was spilled out against the work and him as a peson…i guess my posts here at David’s blog are also sychopantic as well, yes?….

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By: bobblack https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15108 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:57:56 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15108 Mike:

I saw you called me a sychophant at Magnum…that’s lovely indeed. I should add that none of the lugubrious and personalized attacks against Chris warrant the same kind of name calling.

for someone, above, whose against toxic posts, I wander why you you’ve written that…

anyway, as my son has reminded me…

i’m done with these blogs…

respectfully
bob

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15109 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:09:33 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15109 PEOPLE OF THIS FORUM
PLEASE LET’S LEAVE THE SONGS AND THE JOKES ASIDE FOR A SECOND…
AND LETS PROTECT OURSELVES..
MOST OF US, NAIVELY, BELIEVE THAT WE OWN OUR COPYRIGHT…
JUST BECAUSE WE SAY SO…
OR JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR FILES (DNG’S, NEGS, WHATEVER)
IN OUR DRIVES OR ARCHIVES)….
BULLSHIT…
YOU WILL NEVER WIN A BATTLE IN THE COURT, UNLESS YOU
FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW…
PEACE

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl107.html

LOVE YOU ALL…FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15110 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:10:10 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15110 cool song Michael K… you made me smile again…
Damn, i almost forgot about it… check the base guitar …in the next one…

…and oh, little MIKE WHO STOLE MY MIKE, bring me back my mike,tonight…
that chihuahua joke is being done by Rafal, long long time ago.
So you come wayyyy second, little bitch…(laughing).
It’s obvious, YOU PAY NO ATTENTION , AT ALL…
You see, if you wanna play the game right…
you better be reading all the other people’s posts.,. first
not only yours…
o.k, let me let you go now… coz your sensitivity might wet your shoes…

and ” mike who stole my mike”…. please , bring me back my mike…/ unless you gonna use it right…
p.s: I think Michael K, was right by the way… I can’t rhyme for shit… just trying to be fair, here…
peace… little mike thank you for this hilarious night .
my little doglover

Now eat your ham sandwich and go walk your dog….
, idiot
LOL

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15111 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:44:02 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15111

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By: mike https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15112 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:27:17 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15112 Posting here is like tossing ham sandwiches to a neurotic chihuahua.

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15113 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:19:00 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15113 I do play… usually the one ATTACHED to my body….
I dont like the way it sounds though… thats why i rap…
Any suggestions… which instrument do you play?

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15114 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:13:16 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15114 Rap’s dead. Learn to play an instrument.

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15115 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:08:48 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15115 MICHAEL K, NAKED IN THE SHOWER, SINGING OPERA???????????

I NEED , I GOT TO SEE THIS
LOL

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15116 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:06:46 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15116 …Michael dont just judge my skills…
rap, for me,
show me what you got!!!
“A BAY BAY…

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15117 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:05:38 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15117 Ah…it’s song dedications is it? OK here’s one for ya.

As I stand here in the shower
singing opera and such
pondering the possiblity
I pull the pud too much

There’s a scent that fills the air
is it flatus? Just a touch!

and it makes me think of yyyyyyouuuuu!!!

Primus, baby!

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15118 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:01:17 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15118 how about this one , then..
you know i won’t stop until i get your approval ,mike…
… even if you wanna take away my mike and give it to mike

…ASS UP,FACE DOWN…
…ASS UP, FACE DOWN…

that doesn’t rhyme either but made 50CENT rich, bro…

oh, speaking about getting old… tell this to my friends…
“EURYTHMICS”
…lol

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15119 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:50:24 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15119 Panos,

I told you hip-hop was dead. Don’t be afraid of death, brother.

And aren’t you a little old to be playing the gansta rapper wannabe?

Damn…that didn’t rhyme at all!

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By: Panos Skoulidas https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15120 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:35:55 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15120 This EURYTHMICS song ….below

is dedicated to the (UNTALENTED TRIO)… above…
Its funny how FEAR of controversy brings people together…(laughing)…
or should i say …. brings bitches together….
Who could be the president of the “UNION of the COWARDS”… above?… or “U.O.T.C”???
Could it be Mike, Michael or Mike???… or maybe MIke???

Panos starts RAPPING:

:……………………….. “MIKE , YOU JUST DROPPED YOUR MIKE…
YOU WANNA DO A RAP-BATTLE… but you scared TO fight……………………………
hey little sidney… on the floor… picking up the mike…
give it back to michael K., who gives it back to MIKE….

Damn LOVERS… I LOVE YOU TOO…(lol)

COME ON THREE little BITCHES, NOW ITS TIME FOR YOU TO RHYME…
AND MIKE , BEFORE YOU GO AND HIDE ,
GIMME BACK MY MIKE….
biatchhhhhhhhh
(lol)

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By: Michael Kircher https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15121 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:51:14 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15121 Moi aussi.

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By: Sidney Atkins https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15122 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:04:40 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15122 Mike,

Allow me to express complete support and agreement with your last post. Thanks for your forthrightness and eloquence.

Sidney

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By: mike https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15123 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:37:36 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15123 Hey Bob,

Waiting for some film to dry, so I have a few minutes…

Thanks for the clarification… no worries here either, but, sorry, I have to call you on something… with respect… arguing my lack of tact in a post with someone who has been littering this blog with blistering, hurtful, incoherent, vulgar, puerile, out-of-the-blue ad hominem attacks is just absurd.

Panos is entertaining, he’s kooky, he moves things along, shakes things up, and has quickly become a fixture here… I’m sure we’ve all smiled at some of his posts, and that’s great.

But, on the other hand, he has posted some very toxic, hurtful and hostile words that have obviously caused pain to his hapless targets, and have made me cringe, and feel ashamed, simply by proximity.

He’s successfully opened the door to a low form of discourse, a fact that doesn’t seem to cause concern here, so my attempt at addressing this proximate shame was to use a gentle, oh, so gentle joke. Maybe not my best idea, but at least I tried to acknowledge the fact that mutual respect is not something you can expect here in this blog, a gift Panos himself has given us!

A joke was insufficient. I really have to go on record to say that I do not agree with hurtful words, I find no humor in hateful, capricious verbal attacks on people, and it makes me think a community that allows such behavior, and even encourages it, is ultimately hollow, no matter the decoration, professions of concern, and outward indications otherwise.

In contrast, I believe that all people should be afforded respect and dignity. I am disappointed that this is not a universal belief here.

But, of course, we don’t come here for the ethics, do we?

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By: bobblack https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15124 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:09:27 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15124 that should be “negotiating solver of squabbles…” ;))…but maybe my negotiation skills are negotiable after all ;)))

christ, i cant type my way out of a bag…camera time…

b

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By: bobblack https://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2008/02/new-posts/#comment-15125 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:07:09 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2008/02/10/new-posts/#comment-15125 Mike:

no worries, Im not a “thought” or “language” police…and see the comment as a way to encourage panos to read the book you mentioned, which was a way to send him props, but i also understand that sometimes how we write (and also how we “read” others ;)) ) gets misinterpreted…so, i was just saying that i understand totally how Panos could feel insulted, which doesnt mean u have to change (i also hate PC language :)))…just trying to balance…

no apologizes necessary and my words (i tried) werent a condemnation, believe me, just a pointing out tact :))…

i get hammered myself all the time…

anyway, u r a thoughtful writer (i enjoy your comments) and yea, i too still make silver prints (though increasingly not as interested in that bag any more), so i get u totally…

just words, or pointing stuff out…

u should know probably too, being oldest son of 4 boys in a family torn by divorce and hospitalization and broken hearts, i had to be a negotiable, solver of squabbles…so maybe there’s a bit of that patronizing tendency in me, still ;))..

cheers
b

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