today i made four posts, including this one….all right here on “road trips”….normally, i would have spread them out over the other sections…most of you want me to go to one blog…..so, i will try it…well, two…i want to leave “student work” as is…but, most of my posts will go on “road trips” for at least the next week to see how it goes…so, pretend that “work in progess” and “friends/family” do not exist…gotta keep ‘em up until i see how this works and can save the material we have written….
so we will see how you like everything posted right here….a test…..to see if you actually read stories which are “at the bottom”….this means i will always be reading and keeping “alive” the top four stories or so…let me know please if this works for you….if i have not made all of your suggestions “come true”, it is simply because we cannot make it technically happen….but, we are working on it….
“guiding FORCE”… all that about Bob…
This is for the family…
Word!
and for whoever lazy enough to visit the “CHE” post… i repeat…
THE TRUTH ABOUT
Che Guevara
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
For his part Jon Lee Anderson author of the 800 + page biography ‘Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life’ [22] has stated that: “Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason, rape, torture, or murder.” [23] Anderson’s biography has been criticized by Conservative Cuban exile and author Humberto Fontova…
…he was captured in a military operation supported by the CIA and the U.S. Army Special Forces.[26] Guevara was summarily executed by the Bolivian Army in the town of La Higuera near Vallegrande on October 9, 1967. [27][28]…
MARCIN , MICHAEL K AND ANYBODY ELSE NARROW MINDED OUT THERE………………. read the above…
Its not even my words…
peace
Posted by: Panos Skoulidas | February 14, 2008 at 01:44 AM…
come on you sensitive (about death) bitches…
bring it on…
i know this is the wrong post… more about CHE in the CHE post…
but… i could give a shit… i can talk about anything i want ,
anywhere i want…
this is only ONE of the things that DAH… taught me…
That’s what “DHMOKRATIA” or “democracy” is all about…
or maybe this is closer to ANARCHY… than democracy
oh who knows…
fuck me too…!
WORD
CARLOS MANUEL..
i simply get motivated…every “subject” has been “done”..so what??? my usual reaction when i see a fine new book or exhibit or whatever is to call a couple of key friends and tell them…
when i look at the whole big picture of my career , the thing i feel so “lucky” about is that i have always had more than enough ideas and projects to keep me motivated…
besides, my ideas are so totally esoteric in concept (Div Soul, Living Proof) that they are not really the kinds of ideas that someone else is going to think about…the subject of the pictures , of course, many people have thought about (cuba, rappers etc) but i always “personalize” everything …. if you think like that , then there can never be “crossover” with another photographer…
DAVID MCGOWAN…
where is “snowed in up here”?? michelle and i were going over your work very carefully…i do hope we can have a one on one soonest…
HERVE…
one of my “secrets” in my work is so so simple….i try not to think about it too much!!!
i do not dwell at all or analyze anything that has to do with what i am seeing or how i work….i do not want to “mess with my own head”….
i just go out and react/act in the most instinctive way possible…i never never think about any other photographer at all when i am actually working….i am motivated by the work of others in general , but i “sail my own boat”…
when i am actually shooting it is very hard to describe my mood…”in the zone” is not really descriptive enough, but i use that term…really more like being so so so aware and yet so so so unselfconscious at the same time…ON..now, that is NOT how i am every time i take a photograph…but, that is how i am when i make a photograph that i will appreciate later!!!
sometimes my students are very disappointed at the beginning of my classes…they want me to love their portfolio, give them a biz plan, a formula, a list of all the phone numbers of all the editors i know…when they find out i just want them to relax and “not think” too much, they often panic in the beginning…
now, i do “think” a lot about the so called “back end”..that is, after the pictures are “done”…work complete… this arena requires lots of thinking , planning, organizing etc etc in exactly the opposite way of the actual shooting…when i am “teaching”, this comes on the last day or maybe even in much later conversations…
cheers, david
David…
Still looking forward to an email chat about images. Life’s been crazy for you lately, I’m sure. So no rush, but didn’t want to miss the opportunity.
Thanks,
-M
MICHAEL…
i thought i had sent you a review…..no??????????? if not, so sorry…
on it soonest….
cheers, david
Never saw anything. Will keep an eye out, though.
Thanks.
Panos :))…back in the day, after chuckD, krs1 was (at least to me, a young white punk) the Teacher :))..and dig him to this day, yes :))….this weekend, dima and i will be watching Ghost Dog together :))…before he goes off to snowboard and i do my own samauri shit with a camera ….but also have promised a DAH member to do some writing, so that’s in the work:…..
David:…the idea of “in the zone” is an interesting one too, and would love a post there too…i never never photograph around other people i know, or who know/like me, ’cause invariably they get bumped, ’cause one i turn toward photography, holding camera, words totally totally disappear and i cant talk to anyone, can hold a conversation, cant “think” even…it took me almost 4 years to get used to holding a camera when i was near Marina…i used to “meet up” with other photographers who wanted to meet and walk around and shoot, whatever, and it never worked for me..then i went to montreal one time and all the photographers were pissed, cause as soon as i started photographing i couldnt talk or didnt want to talk for the entire rest of the day….
when im shooting, it’s like being underwater, in a pool: instense, beautiful silence, or rather, my body reacts to what i see hear feel, like an underwater echo, not obsessively “looking” but, i guess sort of like an animal, magnification…so now when i meet photographers (ask Chris) i never take my cameras, never ever, specially not the 35mm, unless i already have a trusting relationship or i want to shoot them (i might bring my lomo when we meet, but not sure ;) )…being in a zone….weird, it’s like floating beneath the surface, calm, augmented, amazing, and completely wordless…maybe that’s why i love it so much, to escape my stupid words….
hugs,
running
b
happy valentines day y’all ;))
i mean i often photograph people i know, but only when they know that the “funny, talkative, crazy bob” isnt going to happen, and i really almost never photograph with other photographers (marina an exception) cause i hate the shoot-talk-shoot-talk-walk-shoot etc…i often photograph people who are close to my life, but if i am interested or theyre interest, i give them the old “buyer beware”, it’s a Silent Bob, ;)))…
echo underwater….
b
David-
“Up here” is in Michigan, where the snow has been relentless this year. Actually I don’t mind much, since I’m working from home—except for all the shoveling.
Michelle did tell me you two where looking at my work, and I did get your email critique of my submission—thanks for that. Did you get my response? If not I can resend it. You told me that you thought 4 or 5 of my shots were “complete” and I hoped some would turn up in the Singles, if only so I know which you thought were strongest.
For now my focus is on the design of my site. I understand that I end up showing way too many images there, but I’ve decided to edit more tightly in the future and not worry (for now) about editing the past. Actually if an editor or whoever never got past the running slideshow on my homepage, I’d be fine with that (as long as they call me!)
Plus my site has to become a tool for reaching design clients, since I have to seek work outside of this State’s lousy economy.
I’d love to make it down to DR with your group (totally craving the tropics!) but I don’t think I can swing it. I’ll likely be at Look3 again, and from the site I enquired about the Master Classes, but I haven’t heard anything yet.
Party on!
DM
A Valentine’s card for all:
http://www.humanfiles.com/mov/happyValentines.swf
DAVID
I’m going to send you an email: Please watch for it.
Michael
What I like about this blog, is that I will read something, and think of sharing it here, and usually, often from you David, there comes the “a propos” to do it, within the next 48 hours:
“every subject has been done”. Yes. I caught myself saying that, and finally realized that’s what photography is also about, and by that same token, what it is not about (not about repetition or copying or being boring).
Many books have been recommended lately on the blog, but there is just one I finished that is one of the best ever discussions on taking photographs, and the continuum of doing that thru the history of the medium (meaning recurrences of subjects AND even merely of objects in photos). The author works also on material directly, talking about what is in the picture (many photographers we all know are encountered), not a Sonntag’s pensum type. Please, everyone, do read it or confirm this is a superb and unique addition to, I will be short, the “art and why of taking photos”.
Considering he claims not to own a camera, I find his erudiction in establishing the continuum of certain subjects in the history of the craft amazing. And a joy to read. Auhtor and title:
GEOFF DYER: THE ON-GOING MOMENT (Pantheon books)
PS: Let’s have a talk about the “zone” someday…
Hy David.
You come to Brazil again?
‘FOTOGRAFAR’08′
I wish I had an invitation for mighty
BRAZIL… maybe someday
Herve, not read the book but, yes; if our interpretation of the “zone” is the same (i.e. (for me) when you recognize that you have the opportunity to take a unique photograph) let’s talk.
Mike.
David
whats your email address. I want to send a msg to you please.
thanks.
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Herve the books looks good.
I put it in my wish list.
WROBERT
i did send you my e-address. but will do so again….
david
DAVID
Have you gotten my emails?
Michael
Herve,
Yes! The Ongoing Moment was a very good read… I thought it was a wonderfully omnidirectional and personal survey of 20th century photography. I was particularly struck by some very sensitive readings of particular photographs, the intertwining of photography and writing or literature and poetry, and the leaning toward the improvisational or provisional in photographs…. I’d definitely second the recommendation.
I wonder if critic Dave Hickey is on anyone’s radar here… he doesn’t often write about photography specifically, but as a visual art/cultural critic, I think he’s one of the best… I would definitely recommend his book Air Guitar to Panos, assuming you read “books”… totally Gonzo… democratic, anti-academic, mind fucking, west coast art writing.
David McGowan and anyone,
Hi… I just booked my trip to Look3, I haven’t been… what was it like last year, and what should I expect? I’d like to find out about workshops, but haven’t received a reply, either…
All,
I wonder who else here is making regular silver prints… I know I’m an anachronism, just wondering how much of an anachronism I actually am…
MIKE SLAPS PANOS IN THE FACE (or thats what he thinks!)
“… I would definitely recommend his book Air Guitar to Panos, assuming you read “books”…
MIKE , YOU REALLY “DID” ME WITH THE ABOVE”!!!!!
YOU SHUT ME DOWN… like a “stealth ” fighter plane somewhere in SERBIA…
VALENTINE’S DAY… GUESS WHAT I GOT FOR A PRESENT…
FROM MY GIRL!!!
A BOOK… A MOTHERFUCKING BOOK….
I FREAKED OUT… YA’LL KNOW… I DONT READ… OR SHOULD I SAY … I CAN’T READ!!!! …O.K?
BUT SOON, VERY SOON, my desperation became exhilaration…
THIS BOOK HAD NO LETTERS OR SENTENCES… OR ANYTHING YOU CAN READ… MAYBE JUST A COUPLE PAGES…
BUT… THIS BOOK WAS FULL OF PICTURES… PHOTOS!!!!…
This book’s epilogue goes like this…:
“… The most important love message and thank you to my kora-playing friend Jally in Senegal. Your voice and your message are with me daily. I will never forget you.
The most important love message are with me daily. I will never forget you.
The most important love message and thank you goes, of course, to my mother MARYANNA.
Thanks MOM for always sticking with me and for understanding my drive and passion from the very beginning. I LOVE YOU…
PEACE….
Now.. to whoever wants to judge me… or should i say: to every Mike or Michael out there… that dreams to slap me in the face…
to all of you….
CAN YOU GUESS WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF THE ABOVE BOOK????
a book , with no letters, theories, judgements, philosophies or
BULLSHIT…
CAN YOU GUESS???? CAN YOU….?
Panos,
Relax, buddy, just fuckin’ with ya. You got a copy of Living Proof. Happy day! Good for you!
Mike-
I wrote a journal entry on my site about Look3. If you scroll about half way down this link you’ll find it (look for the girl looking through the lens):
http://www.humanfiles.com/pages/journal.htm
There are also a couple of links to what I shot while I was there. I’ve got to get on that and book my ticket for this year.
Mike,
I also had a posting on my blog about Look3. If interested take a look at http://vebahood.blogspot.com/2007/06/look3-festival-of-photograph.html
In short, it was a great event, and looking at the program for this year, it might be even better…
Panos:
just quessing here, but sounds like from Dan Eldon’s “the journey is the destination”…or any of the books inspired…i’ve got the book, but it’s in storage…actually met his mother in Pasadena when i lived there in ‘97….
running
b
as for herve’s recommendation about The Ongoing Moment….i couldnt recommend, also, highly enough, this extraordinary heart-shaped jazz song…i wrote about the book at LS 2 years ago when it was published and review by John Berger in Harpers….essential reading…
cheers
bob
Bob,
It’s Living Proof Panos is quizzing us with.
Check out the Geographic gallery of David’s hip-hop series and you’ll see Jally playing his kora.
Tougher quiz next time Panos! ;^}
JEN….
thanks …we will do it…
MIKE…
the workshops at Look3 should be on the website…there are three: eugene richards, william albert allard and dah….
VELIBOR…
i do hope to see you again this year at Look3
BOB…
somehow i have missed this book…will go look for your review and Berger’s too…
PANOS…
thanks amigo for really looking and looking…you really DO pay attention!!!!
peace, david
p.s. rushing to mexico…off line til tomorrow i suppose…..
Oh, and he mentioned his mom (and her name) in a much earlier Family/Friends post.
Damn…I think I must spend too much time on this site! Heh-heh-heh.
Guess I’ll go make a photograph! Seeya!
Cross posting with David. Morning sir. Have a great trip to Mexico!
Panos/Michael :))))))….
i know, deeply, the pigs for dah’s Living Proof book ;)))…in fact, i tried to write about it poetically at LS when DAH had his book launch, but since i dont have copy never read/knew about the epilogue…:))))…but, gotta give Panos major props, i’d be pissed too if someone wrote “assuming you read ‘books’”, which even as a joke and even meant as prop to Panos, totally can be seen as major league dis, ‘cuz of Panos wild, onthecarfly phone-jabbing posts (which i think are freak-show great, even when i totally dont agree), so i guess, i’d of been upset too..but, that’s the weird shit about web, it’s only words, not the face or voice, so…
im pretty slow this morning…and i even know the name of dah’s mom’s name ;))))…
DAVID:
yea, great book, really! :))…
bon voyage…
ok, off for a few days…
y’all,
b
ooop, O MY GOD, my typing….my first sentence was “i know, deeply, the PICS for DAH’s Living Proof Book…”…..NOT PIGS ….
call it post-valentines’post-whiskey dinner with mrs. b….
hugs
b
jeezus… I didn’t realize folks were so touchy and defensive around here. I’ll keep that in mind in the future. No need to circle the wagons around Panos, Bob, I apologize!
Hey Mike…
Panos seems to be easy to flip-out. Even if you’re just messin’ around. He often doesn’t get it and totally loses it on someone in often truly hideous and vulgar fashion. Wish it didn’t happen so often, but there it is. I thought your post above was one of the least offensive ever addressed to the Panos, but whatta ya gonna do?
I think some–maybe Bob?, maybe not–try to keep things on an even keel by either avoiding him altogether or stroking him the way you would a unfamiliar dog, hoping it’s not going to attack. Kind of a shame people have to feel that way.
Anyway, it is what it is. Believe me you’re the last person who needs to apologize!
Mike:
no worries, Im not a “thought” or “language” police…and see the comment as a way to encourage panos to read the book you mentioned, which was a way to send him props, but i also understand that sometimes how we write (and also how we “read” others ;)) ) gets misinterpreted…so, i was just saying that i understand totally how Panos could feel insulted, which doesnt mean u have to change (i also hate PC language :)))…just trying to balance…
no apologizes necessary and my words (i tried) werent a condemnation, believe me, just a pointing out tact :))…
i get hammered myself all the time…
anyway, u r a thoughtful writer (i enjoy your comments) and yea, i too still make silver prints (though increasingly not as interested in that bag any more), so i get u totally…
just words, or pointing stuff out…
u should know probably too, being oldest son of 4 boys in a family torn by divorce and hospitalization and broken hearts, i had to be a negotiable, solver of squabbles…so maybe there’s a bit of that patronizing tendency in me, still ;))..
cheers
b
that should be “negotiating solver of squabbles…” ;))…but maybe my negotiation skills are negotiable after all ;)))
christ, i cant type my way out of a bag…camera time…
b
Hey Bob,
Waiting for some film to dry, so I have a few minutes…
Thanks for the clarification… no worries here either, but, sorry, I have to call you on something… with respect… arguing my lack of tact in a post with someone who has been littering this blog with blistering, hurtful, incoherent, vulgar, puerile, out-of-the-blue ad hominem attacks is just absurd.
Panos is entertaining, he’s kooky, he moves things along, shakes things up, and has quickly become a fixture here… I’m sure we’ve all smiled at some of his posts, and that’s great.
But, on the other hand, he has posted some very toxic, hurtful and hostile words that have obviously caused pain to his hapless targets, and have made me cringe, and feel ashamed, simply by proximity.
He’s successfully opened the door to a low form of discourse, a fact that doesn’t seem to cause concern here, so my attempt at addressing this proximate shame was to use a gentle, oh, so gentle joke. Maybe not my best idea, but at least I tried to acknowledge the fact that mutual respect is not something you can expect here in this blog, a gift Panos himself has given us!
A joke was insufficient. I really have to go on record to say that I do not agree with hurtful words, I find no humor in hateful, capricious verbal attacks on people, and it makes me think a community that allows such behavior, and even encourages it, is ultimately hollow, no matter the decoration, professions of concern, and outward indications otherwise.
In contrast, I believe that all people should be afforded respect and dignity. I am disappointed that this is not a universal belief here.
But, of course, we don’t come here for the ethics, do we?
Mike,
Allow me to express complete support and agreement with your last post. Thanks for your forthrightness and eloquence.
Sidney
Moi aussi.
This EURYTHMICS song ….below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KQQwodIJ38&feature=related
is dedicated to the (UNTALENTED TRIO)… above…
Its funny how FEAR of controversy brings people together…(laughing)…
or should i say …. brings bitches together….
Who could be the president of the “UNION of the COWARDS”… above?… or “U.O.T.C”???
Could it be Mike, Michael or Mike???… or maybe MIke???
Panos starts RAPPING:
:……………………….. “MIKE , YOU JUST DROPPED YOUR MIKE…
YOU WANNA DO A RAP-BATTLE… but you scared TO fight……………………………
hey little sidney… on the floor… picking up the mike…
give it back to michael K., who gives it back to MIKE….
Damn LOVERS… I LOVE YOU TOO…(lol)
COME ON THREE little BITCHES, NOW ITS TIME FOR YOU TO RHYME…
AND MIKE , BEFORE YOU GO AND HIDE ,
GIMME BACK MY MIKE….
biatchhhhhhhhh
(lol)
Panos,
I told you hip-hop was dead. Don’t be afraid of death, brother.
And aren’t you a little old to be playing the gansta rapper wannabe?
Damn…that didn’t rhyme at all!
how about this one , then..
you know i won’t stop until i get your approval ,mike…
… even if you wanna take away my mike and give it to mike
…ASS UP,FACE DOWN…
…ASS UP, FACE DOWN…
that doesn’t rhyme either but made 50CENT rich, bro…
oh, speaking about getting old… tell this to my friends…
“EURYTHMICS”
…lol
Ah…it’s song dedications is it? OK here’s one for ya.
As I stand here in the shower
singing opera and such
pondering the possiblity
I pull the pud too much
There’s a scent that fills the air
is it flatus? Just a touch!
and it makes me think of yyyyyyouuuuu!!!
Primus, baby!
…Michael dont just judge my skills…
rap, for me,
show me what you got!!!
“A BAY BAY…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySbXw8AHlKM
MICHAEL K, NAKED IN THE SHOWER, SINGING OPERA???????????
I NEED , I GOT TO SEE THIS
LOL
Rap’s dead. Learn to play an instrument.
I do play… usually the one ATTACHED to my body….
I dont like the way it sounds though… thats why i rap…
Any suggestions… which instrument do you play?
Posting here is like tossing ham sandwiches to a neurotic chihuahua.