Comments on: making excuses http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:37:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Neil http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18666 Neil Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:29:39 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18666 WooooOOOO!!! It must be halloween's influence. Its slightly easier to feel on top of the conversation the way things are. Major respect to anyone who can keep up with hundreds of comments on a single post. WooooOOOO!!!

It must be halloween’s influence. Its slightly easier to feel on top of the conversation the way things are. Major respect to anyone who can keep up with hundreds of comments on a single post.

]]> By: Michael A Shapiro http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18667 Michael A Shapiro Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:27:51 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18667 DAVID, I uploaded 13 new images. Nine are a little story; the other four, I just like. I didn't manage to get them in my own named folder, so they may be floating around loose. They are named and numbered, though. Let me know if this is problematic. I'm working on getting to New York. Mostly, I have to find a place to stay which I'm working on. This blog certainly is quiet....kind of spooky........ Michael DAVID, I uploaded 13 new images. Nine are a little story; the other four, I just like. I didn’t manage to get them in my own named folder, so they may be floating around loose. They are named and numbered, though. Let me know if this is problematic.

I’m working on getting to New York. Mostly, I have to find a place to stay which I’m working on.

This blog certainly is quiet….kind of spooky……..

Michael

]]> By: Michael A Shapiro http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18668 Michael A Shapiro Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:46:39 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18668 I'm in for this road trip. Meanwhile, what is the current login and password for the digital railroad site? I emailed Michael C- but have gotten no answer. Thanks. Michael I’m in for this road trip.

Meanwhile, what is the current login and password for the digital railroad site?

I emailed Michael C- but have gotten no answer.

Thanks.

Michael

]]> By: Neil http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18669 Neil Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:30:52 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18669 An actual road trip from the host of the road_trip? Sweet. Nice idea. If you need someone who can navigate and bring Serbian trumpet CDs? As for excuses, did you ever find that when you said "aww to heck with it" and did the thing somehow/anyhow/anyway that you learned something new? I guess its better to say despite (problem) than because of (problem). Its just not always possible. An actual road trip from the host of the road_trip?

Sweet. Nice idea.

If you need someone who can navigate and bring Serbian trumpet CDs?

As for excuses, did you ever find that when you said “aww to heck with it” and did the thing somehow/anyhow/anyway that you learned something new?

I guess its better to say despite (problem) than because of (problem). Its just not always possible.

]]> By: the forgotten child http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18670 the forgotten child Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:09:06 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18670 there are no useful excuses. Since we find time to fight and be miserable, we should allow ourselves the minutes to be happy and make others happy. We should alocate the instances when we behave as we are. Excuses are a way not to live what we 'commissioned' ourselves to live. at the same time, it is a means of escapism. but they never add anything valuable to our lives. i find myself using it as a tool of escaping stress. there are no useful excuses. Since we find time to fight and be miserable, we should allow ourselves the minutes to be happy and make others happy. We should alocate the instances when we behave as we are. Excuses are a way not to live what we ‘commissioned’ ourselves to live.
at the same time, it is a means of escapism. but they never add anything valuable to our lives. i find myself using it as a tool of escaping stress.

]]> By: chris bickford http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18671 chris bickford Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:54:21 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18671 hey david, thanks so much, and thanks for posting my stuff, it was nice to get some good feedback. I'm thinking of coming up to NYC and shooting some more, those photos are really growing on me and I want more! probably around the 15th or 16th until around Thanksgiving. You going to be around? Have fun on the beach! We're still having the longest Indian Summer ever down here...makes it hard to get anything done...how's that for an excuse? hey david, thanks so much, and thanks for posting my stuff, it was nice to get some good feedback. I’m thinking of coming up to NYC and shooting some more, those photos are really growing on me and I want more! probably around the 15th or 16th until around Thanksgiving. You going to be around? Have fun on the beach! We’re still having the longest Indian Summer ever down here…makes it hard to get anything done…how’s that for an excuse?

]]> By: bobblack http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18672 bobblack Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:35:18 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18672 david: right now in the plan-stages of x-mas travels (december 21 - 31): either my mom comes (lives in Philly) here or we go south. if we go south, the plan was to stay in the city for 2 days, meaning a visit to the harvey bunker ;))...but, nothing definitive, i might post-pone until late jan instead, as I dont want to make the journey down unless u r in town, since we the trip in sept-oct was shanghai'd by the russian immigration officials and their treatment of marina and dima...so......i'll send u an email when you return from R&R time on the playa del sol ;))))... cheers bob david:

right now in the plan-stages of x-mas travels (december 21 – 31): either my mom comes (lives in Philly) here or we go south. if we go south, the plan was to stay in the city for 2 days, meaning a visit to the harvey bunker ;))…but, nothing definitive, i might post-pone until late jan instead, as I dont want to make the journey down unless u r in town, since we the trip in sept-oct was shanghai’d by the russian immigration officials and their treatment of marina and dima…so……i’ll send u an email when you return from R&R time on the playa del sol ;))))…

cheers
bob

]]> By: david alan harvey http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18673 david alan harvey Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:29:06 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18673 CHRIS.. so nice to hear from you chris...remembering good times and i truly loved your new york work...i will indeed have a couple of beers if you insist...off tomorrow for a couple of days doing absolutely nothing on a mexican beach somewhere with one of my old college buddies...please come back and visit me when you can.....and, as you know, i am totally up for seeing any new work you may have... cheers, david CHRIS..

so nice to hear from you chris…remembering good times and i truly loved your new york work…i will indeed have a couple of beers if you insist…off tomorrow for a couple of days doing absolutely nothing on a mexican beach somewhere with one of my old college buddies…please come back and visit me when you can…..and, as you know, i am totally up for seeing any new work you may have…

cheers, david

]]> By: chris bickford http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18674 chris bickford Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:54:28 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18674 Hey David, sorry about your computer, but I'm sure you've got plenty else to do. I'm pretty amazed that you're crazy enough to pack so much in to your life and somehow manage to get most of it done. I hear you about not making excuses, but you are in Latin America after all...the land of manana...You can't expect to keep a New-York kind of adherence to "the plan" in a place where time moves a lot more slowly and the internet is still a privilege, not a right. But I'm sure you know this already. Besides, now you can do all the other things you no longer have an excuse not to do because you had to go attend to your blog:) Have a couple of beers and think about us:) Hey David, sorry about your computer, but I’m sure you’ve got plenty else to do. I’m pretty amazed that you’re crazy enough to pack so much in to your life and somehow manage to get most of it done. I hear you about not making excuses, but you are in Latin America after all…the land of manana…You can’t expect to keep a New-York kind of adherence to “the plan” in a place where time moves a lot more slowly and the internet is still a privilege, not a right. But I’m sure you know this already. Besides, now you can do all the other things you no longer have an excuse not to do because you had to go attend to your blog:)
Have a couple of beers and think about us:)

]]> By: david alan harvey http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18675 david alan harvey Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:43:09 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18675 RONY... yes, bangkok at the end of this month...a workshop with my lifetime friend, james nachtwey... BOB... usually at the end of december i am with my family for the holidays in colorado...my mother and sister live in durango...are we gong to miss again??? LILIAN... it is nice to have you here...perhaps we will meet on my next trip to Brazil, which will be soon enough... CHIEKO.... good thoughts...yes, late students and late starting classes are annoying to me also.... DAN.. i really enjoyed Paraty and the whole festival atmosphere...too bad i had to leave so quickly...thanks for your kind words...the only reason to teach is to receive this type of comment.... MARTIN... i just want to wish you a safe and pleasant trip to Cuba...you will fall in love.....i look forward to seeing your Cuba work at some point soon... MICHAEL... yes, i know what you mean...i have heard since i had my computer disaster, that there are now "break away" cables which would have totally saved my computer....nobody got the shot!!! KELLY, AKAKY... no, no NOT a class trip!!! but, a serious "road trip" with some very good photogs who really want to do a journal style book of the trip...maybe we go from new york to los angeles...or istanbul to paris....anyway, just thinking out loud....big bus....8 students....group dynamic so so important...freestyle travel...do what we want to do , when we want to do it...concensus rules.... JONI.. magnum photogs, like all photogs, need to be at "mankind level" to do good work...all of us are flawed and struggle on many levels...doing as good a work as you can possibly do, does help to "soften" the flaws, but accepting your own human nature, is just part of the deal... JANET.... well, i do not "worry" about my readers, but i certainly have, in this almost one year of writing here on this forum, developed a keen sense for keeping interesting topics for us to discuss...our little community here is cherished by me....good energy comes from the comments of the readers here...and it is your comments that recycle this energy back to me....collaboration personified..... cheers, david RONY…

yes, bangkok at the end of this month…a workshop with my lifetime friend, james nachtwey…

BOB…

usually at the end of december i am with my family for the holidays in colorado…my mother and sister live in durango…are we gong to miss again???

LILIAN…

it is nice to have you here…perhaps we will meet on my next trip to Brazil, which will be soon enough…

CHIEKO….

good thoughts…yes, late students and late starting classes are annoying to me also….

DAN..

i really enjoyed Paraty and the whole festival atmosphere…too bad i had to leave so quickly…thanks for your kind words…the only reason to teach is to receive this type of comment….

MARTIN…

i just want to wish you a safe and pleasant trip to Cuba…you will fall in love…..i look forward to seeing your Cuba work at some point soon…

MICHAEL…

yes, i know what you mean…i have heard since i had my computer disaster, that there are now “break away” cables which would have totally saved my computer….nobody got the shot!!!

KELLY, AKAKY…

no, no NOT a class trip!!! but, a serious “road trip” with some very good photogs who really want to do a journal style book of the trip…maybe we go from new york to los angeles…or istanbul to paris….anyway, just thinking out loud….big bus….8 students….group dynamic so so important…freestyle travel…do what we want to do , when we want to do it…concensus rules….

JONI..

magnum photogs, like all photogs, need to be at “mankind level” to do good work…all of us are flawed and struggle on many levels…doing as good a work as you can possibly do, does help to “soften” the flaws, but accepting your own human nature, is just part of the deal…

JANET….

well, i do not “worry” about my readers, but i certainly have, in this almost one year of writing here on this forum, developed a keen sense for keeping interesting topics for us to discuss…our little community here is cherished by me….good energy comes from the comments of the readers here…and it is your comments that recycle this energy back to me….collaboration personified…..

cheers, david

]]> By: janet http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18676 janet Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:22:53 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18676 Dan's post says it all. What could you have done better? No need to make excuses, you are human. Enjoy the day, for you and don't worry about your readers. Dan’s post says it all. What could you have done better? No need to make excuses, you are human.
Enjoy the day, for you and don’t worry about your readers.

]]> By: Joni Karanka http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18677 Joni Karanka Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:12:06 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18677 no matter if the excuses are good or not, such posts are brilliant (they bring magnum photographers down to mankind level big way ;-D) no matter if the excuses are good or not, such posts are brilliant (they bring magnum photographers down to mankind level big way ;-D)

]]> By: Rafal Pruszynski (jinju) http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18678 Rafal Pruszynski (jinju) Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:35:34 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18678 I was making excuses but yesterday I sat down and edited 2 stories I shot and plan to submit. Im going to go shoot one more today and then make a decision on the sybmission. I kept putting it off because there was a lot to do but with the deadline looming, I had to get off my ass and get cracking I was making excuses but yesterday I sat down and edited 2 stories I shot and plan to submit. Im going to go shoot one more today and then make a decision on the sybmission. I kept putting it off because there was a lot to do but with the deadline looming, I had to get off my ass and get cracking

]]> By: bobblack http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18679 bobblack Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:44:00 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18679 glenn: ;))))))))))... hair of the dog sort brother, hair of the dog ;)))) martin: that's it, indeed, for ALL of us and for EVERYONE: your next drink is on me!... b glenn: ;))))))))))…

hair of the dog sort brother, hair of the dog ;))))

martin: that’s it, indeed, for ALL of us and for EVERYONE: your next drink is on me!…

b

]]> By: Sidney Atkins http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18680 Sidney Atkins Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:12:57 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18680 Akaky, my man! Love your vinegar! Sidney Akaky, my man!

Love your vinegar!

Sidney

]]> By: Akaky http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18681 Akaky Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:47:41 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18681 Class trip? We won't have to sing Kumbaya from here to wherever we're going, will we? Because if we are, my gall bladder is starting to hurt, I can feel it starting to hurt right now. Class trip? We won’t have to sing Kumbaya from here to wherever we’re going, will we? Because if we are, my gall bladder is starting to hurt, I can feel it starting to hurt right now.

]]> By: Kelly Lynn James http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18682 Kelly Lynn James Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:12:06 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18682 David - When does the cross country class trip start? No excuses. :) David – When does the cross country class trip start? No excuses. :)

]]> By: Michael A Shapiro http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-2/#comment-18683 Michael A Shapiro Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:21:15 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18683 It seems to me that to make a big deal about "no excuses," one also has to negate the whole idea of happy accidents, those things that turn good photos into wonderful photos. I maintain that every great work of art has a happy accident in it, something, for instance, the photographer didn't notice when he clicked the shutter. Just as you can't take credit for that, neither can you can you take responsibility for every little thing. This is not, however, to say that preparation doesn't mitigate certain unfortunate potentials. Suppose someone had a camera pointed at the podium and clicked right as the computer was falling... Good morning all, Michael It seems to me that to make a big deal about “no excuses,” one also has to negate the whole idea of happy accidents, those things that turn good photos into wonderful photos. I maintain that every great work of art has a happy accident in it, something, for instance, the photographer didn’t notice when he clicked the shutter.

Just as you can’t take credit for that, neither can you can you take responsibility for every little thing.

This is not, however, to say that preparation doesn’t mitigate certain unfortunate potentials.

Suppose someone had a camera pointed at the podium and clicked right as the computer was falling…

Good morning all,

Michael

]]> By: Glenn http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-18684 Glenn Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:14:09 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18684 Bob ...you really struck me as a dog sort of Bloke! Bob …you really struck me as a dog sort of Bloke!

]]> By: Glenn http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/making-excuses/comment-page-1/#comment-18685 Glenn Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:10:48 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/10/31/making-excuses/#comment-18685 Martin, Thats the best and most honest excuse.....There's no where to go from there but up! Martin, Thats the best and most honest excuse…..There’s no where to go from there but up!

]]>