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		<title>By: alexinwords.com &#187; On street portrait photography</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexinwords.com &#187; On street portrait photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Alan Harvey documents in Burn Magazine, taking pictures of complete strangers isn’t easy for your average shy photographer. However, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Akaky</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18767</link>
		<dc:creator>Akaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still like prefer hiding behind a bush with a telephoto lens. There&#039;s just something comforting about it, and then there&#039;s almost always a can or a bottle you can redeem for a nickle nearby.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still like prefer hiding behind a bush with a telephoto lens. There&#8217;s just something comforting about it, and then there&#8217;s almost always a can or a bottle you can redeem for a nickle nearby.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M.</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18768</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link below is an interview with Henri Cartier Bresson made in 2000.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4074157481455007235
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		<title>By: c beauchamp</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18769</link>
		<dc:creator>c beauchamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just discovered this blog and i only wish i had found it sooner...reading the comments here make me feel as if i have found a long lost and needed support group. sometimes i feel as if i am the only street photographer that feels anxiety and struggles with shyness. most websites that i have come across rarely seem to have comments with some of the vulnerability revealed here...anyway, after buying a canon 30D in january of this year and taking an excellent photo class, i became infected with the street photography bug. It was at first a struggle to get past of some of my anxieties, but then after a few months, it started to get better. living in NYC, and shooting primarily in manhattan, one invariably encounters ALOT of really uptight and defensive people. my approach has varied from shooting from the hip to asking to the Gary Winogrand thing i saw in a video of holding your camera at shoulder height and just shooting as you walk along to other techniques. the biggest battle for me is that it is just hard to get past my anxiety. the reason that i keep on doing it is because when i get on a roll, relax and find interesting subjects to shoot, it is EXHILARATING...i have no interest whatsoever in shooting landscapes, fashion, product photography, studio portraits or nature. for me, it is all about street photography and nothing else excites me to do or to look at in photo books. As far as equipment goes, I was initially shooting with a 17-50mm 2.8 telephoto lens but felt that it may have been intimidating people, so  now for streetwork, I use small prime lenses (24mm f/2.8 or  35mm f/2.0) Maybe it is all in my head, but when I use these smaller lenses, it seems that people don’t look at my camera as I walk around as much…


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just discovered this blog and i only wish i had found it sooner&#8230;reading the comments here make me feel as if i have found a long lost and needed support group. sometimes i feel as if i am the only street photographer that feels anxiety and struggles with shyness. most websites that i have come across rarely seem to have comments with some of the vulnerability revealed here&#8230;anyway, after buying a canon 30D in january of this year and taking an excellent photo class, i became infected with the street photography bug. It was at first a struggle to get past of some of my anxieties, but then after a few months, it started to get better. living in NYC, and shooting primarily in manhattan, one invariably encounters ALOT of really uptight and defensive people. my approach has varied from shooting from the hip to asking to the Gary Winogrand thing i saw in a video of holding your camera at shoulder height and just shooting as you walk along to other techniques. the biggest battle for me is that it is just hard to get past my anxiety. the reason that i keep on doing it is because when i get on a roll, relax and find interesting subjects to shoot, it is EXHILARATING&#8230;i have no interest whatsoever in shooting landscapes, fashion, product photography, studio portraits or nature. for me, it is all about street photography and nothing else excites me to do or to look at in photo books. As far as equipment goes, I was initially shooting with a 17-50mm 2.8 telephoto lens but felt that it may have been intimidating people, so  now for streetwork, I use small prime lenses (24mm f/2.8 or  35mm f/2.0) Maybe it is all in my head, but when I use these smaller lenses, it seems that people don’t look at my camera as I walk around as much…</p>
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		<title>By: noushin</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18770</link>
		<dc:creator>noushin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, it&#039;s an evil pleasure to see everybody has the same problems! and you continue to show your ability to ask wicked questions. when I start working on a project I come to circumstance and find one or a group of friends (find them myself or just introduced to them be older friends) and mostly they will contact me to others in the area. I spend time with them show my interest to their lifestyle, my real feeling about them, I let them to know about me and my love for photography of everything, I start to take pictures of ordinary things and their questions will start: why you take pictures of this or that but it will pass and then I take more and more pix. but yes at last there is always the hard moment: eye contact, let them see my mind and heart and give the permission from them. it is not easy some days I just prefer to hide myself and stay home and reading Harry Potter instead go out and face it :)
I have a question about your camera hope you answer that: what kind of camera and lens do you use?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, it&#8217;s an evil pleasure to see everybody has the same problems! and you continue to show your ability to ask wicked questions. when I start working on a project I come to circumstance and find one or a group of friends (find them myself or just introduced to them be older friends) and mostly they will contact me to others in the area. I spend time with them show my interest to their lifestyle, my real feeling about them, I let them to know about me and my love for photography of everything, I start to take pictures of ordinary things and their questions will start: why you take pictures of this or that but it will pass and then I take more and more pix. but yes at last there is always the hard moment: eye contact, let them see my mind and heart and give the permission from them. it is not easy some days I just prefer to hide myself and stay home and reading Harry Potter instead go out and face it :)<br />
I have a question about your camera hope you answer that: what kind of camera and lens do you use?</p>
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		<title>By: Davis Archibald</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18771</link>
		<dc:creator>Davis Archibald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

This thread could not have come at a better time for me. I have been in quite the rut lately and have had a major case of the &quot;room lockdown&quot; recently. It is so nice to know that I&#039;m not the only one who has this issue. Let alone someone so succesful. The responses to your query have also inspired me. Because of this thread I decided to &quot;bite the bullet&quot; and throw away all thoughts of fear. In fact I did something I had not previously done. I walked up to someone&#039;s house and just asked them if I could take their picture. And it worked. Amazing! I know it won&#039;t work everytime but its a good sign when you finally are able to overcome a fear. Thanks again for the thread and thanks to all those who responded.

--Davis Archibald
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>This thread could not have come at a better time for me. I have been in quite the rut lately and have had a major case of the &#8220;room lockdown&#8221; recently. It is so nice to know that I&#8217;m not the only one who has this issue. Let alone someone so succesful. The responses to your query have also inspired me. Because of this thread I decided to &#8220;bite the bullet&#8221; and throw away all thoughts of fear. In fact I did something I had not previously done. I walked up to someone&#8217;s house and just asked them if I could take their picture. And it worked. Amazing! I know it won&#8217;t work everytime but its a good sign when you finally are able to overcome a fear. Thanks again for the thread and thanks to all those who responded.</p>
<p>&#8211;Davis Archibald</p>
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		<title>By: cathy scholl</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18772</link>
		<dc:creator>cathy scholl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much Erica.
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		<title>By: erica mcdonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>erica mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good that you and yours are safe, Cathy.
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		<title>By: cathy scholl</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18774</link>
		<dc:creator>cathy scholl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to be back on the blog after a couple of days being consumed with whether my house in San Diego was going to burn down. Our neighborhood was evacuated but thankfully it looks like we&#039;ve been spared.

We&#039;re in the process of moving to Santa Fe but our home is in (Carlsbad) San Diego. I guess you could say we &quot;pre-evacuated&quot; without any belongings since we&#039;re in Santa Fe now, heading back to San Diego next week.

It&#039;s a huge disaster there and I feel so badly for everyone affected. I&#039;m feeling lucky that I was away during the fires...but then again there would have been some great photo ops! Oh well...having my house okay makes up for missed shots.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to be back on the blog after a couple of days being consumed with whether my house in San Diego was going to burn down. Our neighborhood was evacuated but thankfully it looks like we&#8217;ve been spared.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the process of moving to Santa Fe but our home is in (Carlsbad) San Diego. I guess you could say we &#8220;pre-evacuated&#8221; without any belongings since we&#8217;re in Santa Fe now, heading back to San Diego next week.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a huge disaster there and I feel so badly for everyone affected. I&#8217;m feeling lucky that I was away during the fires&#8230;but then again there would have been some great photo ops! Oh well&#8230;having my house okay makes up for missed shots.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Treacy</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18775</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Treacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two of us, myself and Harry Zernike who was a classmate.

Perhaps I will put that detail into my bio. It was a strange night.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were two of us, myself and Harry Zernike who was a classmate.</p>
<p>Perhaps I will put that detail into my bio. It was a strange night.</p>
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		<title>By: tom hyde</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18776</link>
		<dc:creator>tom hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the book &quot;Image Makers, Image Takers&quot; by Anne-Celine Jaeger (and Alec Soth&#039;s own blog)

&quot;Q: How did you overcome your fear of photographing people?

Alec Soth: I started out with kids because that was less threatening. I eventually worked my way up to every type of person. At first, I trembled every time I took a picture. My confidence grew, but it took a long time. I still get nervous today. When I shoot assignments I’m notorious amongst my assistants for sweating. It’s very embarrassing. I did a picture for the The New Yorker recently and I was drenched in sweat by the end and it was the middle of winter.&quot;

I sincerely appreciate photographers&#039; honesty about this ... makes me feel better, more confident, actually, to know everyone goes through this to one degree or another. If Alec Soth can move from sheer terror to nudes of newlyweds he&#039;s met at Niagra ... then I have no excuses ;))



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the book &#8220;Image Makers, Image Takers&#8221; by Anne-Celine Jaeger (and Alec Soth&#8217;s own blog)</p>
<p>&#8220;Q: How did you overcome your fear of photographing people?</p>
<p>Alec Soth: I started out with kids because that was less threatening. I eventually worked my way up to every type of person. At first, I trembled every time I took a picture. My confidence grew, but it took a long time. I still get nervous today. When I shoot assignments I’m notorious amongst my assistants for sweating. It’s very embarrassing. I did a picture for the The New Yorker recently and I was drenched in sweat by the end and it was the middle of winter.&#8221;</p>
<p>I sincerely appreciate photographers&#8217; honesty about this &#8230; makes me feel better, more confident, actually, to know everyone goes through this to one degree or another. If Alec Soth can move from sheer terror to nudes of newlyweds he&#8217;s met at Niagra &#8230; then I have no excuses ;))</p>
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		<title>By: Herve</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18777</link>
		<dc:creator>Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>errata: artificial light of course (not life)....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>errata: artificial light of course (not life)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Herve</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18778</link>
		<dc:creator>Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jeff. a bit daunting at this point for me who knows nothing about artificial life except leaving it to chance, but a very valuable input from you (nothing is quite off-topic on david&#039;s blog, esp. when he is away and &quot;leaves us the key&quot;!).

I think quite a bit of experience, feeling one&#039;s way goes into this superb knowledge to make flash photography work for you.  What you call regurgitating.

Much grateful for your reply.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jeff. a bit daunting at this point for me who knows nothing about artificial life except leaving it to chance, but a very valuable input from you (nothing is quite off-topic on david&#8217;s blog, esp. when he is away and &#8220;leaves us the key&#8221;!).</p>
<p>I think quite a bit of experience, feeling one&#8217;s way goes into this superb knowledge to make flash photography work for you.  What you call regurgitating.</p>
<p>Much grateful for your reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hammond</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Herve..
i guess this is going way off topic but...

i use five flashes - 2x sb800, sunpak555, 400w/s lumedyne action pack, and a viv285... all triggered via pocket wizards..

the main thing to realize about freezing motion with flashes is that they have to be brighter than the ambient by ~2stops or more.. once you get that kind of ratio going, the 1/250 xsync no longer matters and the speed of the flash will be the effective shutter speed..
the problem with that however is the greater the output of a thrystor style flash, the slower it&#039;s duration... for the most part, i try to keep my flash output at 1/4 or less -- they are around 1/3000 sec and faster at that point.. however, at such low outputs, they aren&#039;t bright enough to overpower bright ambient so that&#039;s why i carry so many of them.. i often have to double or triple them up and i never use more than three actual points of light.. the lumedyne is great in that it&#039;s fastest at its highest output but i only have enough room in the bag to carry one (all of my gear has to fit in a backpack because i skate to most of these spots - i don&#039;t have the luxury of driving around with a trunk full of gear)..

as far as processing goes, i keep it to a minimum..(aside from the obviously overcooked ones).. simple toning and contrast via the curves dialog.. once i convert to sRGB for web display, the pictures will often take on this overly saturated look but they are more toned down when printed or viewed with their original profile on a calibrated system.. the lighting i use gives these most of their pop..

and i don&#039;t mind giving away my methods.. afterall, they are basically my regurgitated ways of those that came before me.. maybe you can chew them up some more and spit something else out of them...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Herve..<br />
i guess this is going way off topic but&#8230;</p>
<p>i use five flashes &#8211; 2x sb800, sunpak555, 400w/s lumedyne action pack, and a viv285&#8230; all triggered via pocket wizards..</p>
<p>the main thing to realize about freezing motion with flashes is that they have to be brighter than the ambient by ~2stops or more.. once you get that kind of ratio going, the 1/250 xsync no longer matters and the speed of the flash will be the effective shutter speed..<br />
the problem with that however is the greater the output of a thrystor style flash, the slower it&#8217;s duration&#8230; for the most part, i try to keep my flash output at 1/4 or less &#8212; they are around 1/3000 sec and faster at that point.. however, at such low outputs, they aren&#8217;t bright enough to overpower bright ambient so that&#8217;s why i carry so many of them.. i often have to double or triple them up and i never use more than three actual points of light.. the lumedyne is great in that it&#8217;s fastest at its highest output but i only have enough room in the bag to carry one (all of my gear has to fit in a backpack because i skate to most of these spots &#8211; i don&#8217;t have the luxury of driving around with a trunk full of gear)..</p>
<p>as far as processing goes, i keep it to a minimum..(aside from the obviously overcooked ones).. simple toning and contrast via the curves dialog.. once i convert to sRGB for web display, the pictures will often take on this overly saturated look but they are more toned down when printed or viewed with their original profile on a calibrated system.. the lighting i use gives these most of their pop..</p>
<p>and i don&#8217;t mind giving away my methods.. afterall, they are basically my regurgitated ways of those that came before me.. maybe you can chew them up some more and spit something else out of them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Herve</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/comment-page-3/#comment-18780</link>
		<dc:creator>Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

yes, the skateboard essay is impressive in an already quite impressive link. I hope it&#039;s OK Can I ask you what kind of lighting equipment you use to stop the action as you did, while framing as if the guys were posing. Is processing also paramount in getting thi hyepr-realist &quot;patina&quot;?

Not sure if that is asking to give away one&#039;s method, so pardon my curiosity if that is so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>yes, the skateboard essay is impressive in an already quite impressive link. I hope it&#8217;s OK Can I ask you what kind of lighting equipment you use to stop the action as you did, while framing as if the guys were posing. Is processing also paramount in getting thi hyepr-realist &#8220;patina&#8221;?</p>
<p>Not sure if that is asking to give away one&#8217;s method, so pardon my curiosity if that is so.</p>
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		<title>By: bobblack</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cousin Glenn (come on Nephew, I aint as old as the hills y&#039;all! ;)) )...

Old Son Dima is awaiting :))))))......

for the record, i guess, i should add this too: i have 3 cameras (not counting the cool polaroid that one of my students gave me), each with 1 lens, and i almost only ever carry 1 per shoot/day/moment, etc....

in a way, i&#039;ve always felt this: my head was (and still is) cluttered enough with thoughts and impressions and senses and words and scents and hopes and fears and loves and lusts and sounds and tails and time and worry and dreams and dust and dirt and silence, a patch of something, awaiting, to ever, ever use more than 1 camera at a time or thing about multiple lenses or settings or flash vs. noflash, or holga vs 35mm, or lomo vs medformat or, yes damnit shoot that or no damnit wait, to concern myself with too much gear....so much shit inside my head and spreading body, that i prefer only 1 bag, 1 camera, 1 lense, a few rolls of trix and await to see: that&#039;s nerve racking enough, and oh,  yes, like this:

that&#039;s it.....bob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Ec-cZGYAU
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cousin Glenn (come on Nephew, I aint as old as the hills y&#8217;all! ;)) )&#8230;</p>
<p>Old Son Dima is awaiting :))))))&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>for the record, i guess, i should add this too: i have 3 cameras (not counting the cool polaroid that one of my students gave me), each with 1 lens, and i almost only ever carry 1 per shoot/day/moment, etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>in a way, i&#8217;ve always felt this: my head was (and still is) cluttered enough with thoughts and impressions and senses and words and scents and hopes and fears and loves and lusts and sounds and tails and time and worry and dreams and dust and dirt and silence, a patch of something, awaiting, to ever, ever use more than 1 camera at a time or thing about multiple lenses or settings or flash vs. noflash, or holga vs 35mm, or lomo vs medformat or, yes damnit shoot that or no damnit wait, to concern myself with too much gear&#8230;.so much shit inside my head and spreading body, that i prefer only 1 bag, 1 camera, 1 lense, a few rolls of trix and await to see: that&#8217;s nerve racking enough, and oh,  yes, like this:</p>
<p>that&#8217;s it&#8230;..bob</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/10/eye-contact/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/U_Ec-cZGYAU/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IAN G..

only alec soth knows for sure...but, knowing him, i can see that he is totally `non-threatening` in general and this is probably true when he is talking honeymoon couples into taking their clothes off...

and again, there are two ways to work...one; more or less unobtrusive (small camera, friendly, part of the scene or un-noticed) or two; big camera on tripod (not sneaky, totally declared, everybody knows what you are doing and they can take it or leave it)....the latter is alec´s way and actually my way too, even though the camera size is different...


PAUL...

you were the helmut newton page turner??? get that in your bio....that´s ok, i had to drive helmut from the airport to downtown washington once as an intern....i liked that man...i am sure you would turn his pages any time and i would have driven him anywhere..

i saw hillary not so long ago, but now i am trying to remember where...some opening or other photo function...

hillary where are you??? come out, come out...paul and i are waiting!!!


cheers, david
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<p>only alec soth knows for sure&#8230;but, knowing him, i can see that he is totally `non-threatening` in general and this is probably true when he is talking honeymoon couples into taking their clothes off&#8230;</p>
<p>and again, there are two ways to work&#8230;one; more or less unobtrusive (small camera, friendly, part of the scene or un-noticed) or two; big camera on tripod (not sneaky, totally declared, everybody knows what you are doing and they can take it or leave it)&#8230;.the latter is alec´s way and actually my way too, even though the camera size is different&#8230;</p>
<p>PAUL&#8230;</p>
<p>you were the helmut newton page turner??? get that in your bio&#8230;.that´s ok, i had to drive helmut from the airport to downtown washington once as an intern&#8230;.i liked that man&#8230;i am sure you would turn his pages any time and i would have driven him anywhere..</p>
<p>i saw hillary not so long ago, but now i am trying to remember where&#8230;some opening or other photo function&#8230;</p>
<p>hillary where are you??? come out, come out&#8230;paul and i are waiting!!!</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Treacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Treacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve never been beaten up because you are a big man. I know because I met you back in 2000 under the influence of several beers at an ICP bash. I was with my dear friend Hilary Duffy and was knocking them back in relief at not having damaged Helmut Newton&#039;s huge book whose pages I was assigned to turn for guests. Those white gloves I had to wear had me on the brink of insanity. I hate those things.

I&#039;ve never been beaten up either, miraculously. Mind you, I can run very fast, even with lots of gear.

Why hasn&#039;t Hilary uttered a word or two here, I wonder? I&#039;m sure she&#039;s lurking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve never been beaten up because you are a big man. I know because I met you back in 2000 under the influence of several beers at an ICP bash. I was with my dear friend Hilary Duffy and was knocking them back in relief at not having damaged Helmut Newton&#8217;s huge book whose pages I was assigned to turn for guests. Those white gloves I had to wear had me on the brink of insanity. I hate those things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been beaten up either, miraculously. Mind you, I can run very fast, even with lots of gear.</p>
<p>Why hasn&#8217;t Hilary uttered a word or two here, I wonder? I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;s lurking.</p>
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		<title>By: bartek nowicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>bartek nowicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s great, we are looking forward to hearing from you!

chiara sends you a bear hug, and a big GRAZIE
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<p>chiara sends you a bear hug, and a big GRAZIE</p>
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		<title>By: Ian G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read David&#039;s recommendation to use one lens and camera so that using the camera will become second nature and fast. People sure loose patience quickly when someone is fumbling with a camera.

I&#039;m a shy person. I find I can engage with people when I&#039;m feeling comfortable and happy. Then a smile or eye contact or a few words puts people at ease. When I&#039;m in that playful state of mind I feel like I belong.

It takes a certain amount of energy to be in this frame. When I don&#039;t have that, a lot of the things mentioned on this page have helped make me feel like I belong there---getting into people&#039;s personal space. Those are having a specific project, having permission to shoot from authorities (event organizers, business owners or permission from people), and also knowing I&#039;m there to do a job---when it&#039;s a paying gig---and I gotta deliver!

I&#039;d really rather be the guy holding a camera and being obvious that I&#039;m shooting than trying to be sneaky about it. Even if I get a good photo encache I find the camera takes a picture both ways and captures my state of mind too.

David, how does someone like Alec Soth get so close to people that they allow them to make the photos he does? I saw the Niagra series and it seems like wizardy. It must be nice to just hang-out with people an make photos over an extended period. I would like to try that. Grab shots can only take me so far in depth.

Great page, cheers.
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<p>I&#8217;m a shy person. I find I can engage with people when I&#8217;m feeling comfortable and happy. Then a smile or eye contact or a few words puts people at ease. When I&#8217;m in that playful state of mind I feel like I belong.</p>
<p>It takes a certain amount of energy to be in this frame. When I don&#8217;t have that, a lot of the things mentioned on this page have helped make me feel like I belong there&#8212;getting into people&#8217;s personal space. Those are having a specific project, having permission to shoot from authorities (event organizers, business owners or permission from people), and also knowing I&#8217;m there to do a job&#8212;when it&#8217;s a paying gig&#8212;and I gotta deliver!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really rather be the guy holding a camera and being obvious that I&#8217;m shooting than trying to be sneaky about it. Even if I get a good photo encache I find the camera takes a picture both ways and captures my state of mind too.</p>
<p>David, how does someone like Alec Soth get so close to people that they allow them to make the photos he does? I saw the Niagra series and it seems like wizardy. It must be nice to just hang-out with people an make photos over an extended period. I would like to try that. Grab shots can only take me so far in depth.</p>
<p>Great page, cheers.</p>
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