Comments on: in flight magazines http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/ burn is an online feature for emerging photographers worldwide. burn is curated by magnum photographer david alan harvey. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 03:37:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Armando Ribeiro http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22847 Armando Ribeiro Wed, 30 May 2007 17:31:36 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22847 Lets do it David... There s a lot of good photography/photographers out there with quality and will to push this one forward... I'm in! Many cheers from London, Armando Lets do it David…

There s a lot of good photography/photographers out there with quality and will to push this one forward…

I’m in!

Many cheers from London,

Armando

]]> By: Lance Rosenfield http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22848 Lance Rosenfield Wed, 30 May 2007 09:51:52 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22848 I don't know.. I am not here to abandon David's original idea at all, I'd be on board with that in a heartbeat of course. But to add to the discussion of is there merit/interest in having a traveling camera.. there's something 'romantic' (for lack of a better word) to have your hands on the same piece of equipment that your fellow photographer did just a week or two before, authoring your own piece to the story. It's another common thread to the overall story, along with the theme/concept, that gives the project 'legs', makes it stand out. I guess it really depends on what the final project will be, a web-site? an online gallery? a book? a movie? I don’t know.. I am not here to abandon David’s original idea at all, I’d be on board with that in a heartbeat of course. But to add to the discussion of is there merit/interest in having a traveling camera.. there’s something ‘romantic’ (for lack of a better word) to have your hands on the same piece of equipment that your fellow photographer did just a week or two before, authoring your own piece to the story. It’s another common thread to the overall story, along with the theme/concept, that gives the project ‘legs’, makes it stand out. I guess it really depends on what the final project will be, a web-site? an online gallery? a book? a movie?

]]> By: Carlos Rubin http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22849 Carlos Rubin Sun, 27 May 2007 00:32:55 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22849 "what difference does it make if the camera travels or if everyone just posts photos from their different region/location?" Hi Alysia, thanks a lot for your response and suggestions. You're completely right with your quote above...the difference will be none....the end result will be the same..a photo essay. Anyway, to me this idea is valuable because it is a "creative concept" a marketing tool to bring more awareness to the pictures, to make the project "memorable", different and fun... I come from the advertising business and sometimes is nice to create a "story" to stand out, to make something fresh, to get the attention...this is the reason for this...otherwise it does not make any sense...it's easier to upload the images. Maybe I can started it locally, in a smaller scale...I really believe in it...I really like it. thanks again for your imput. Carlos “what difference does it make if the camera travels or if everyone just posts photos from their different region/location?”

Hi Alysia,
thanks a lot for your response and suggestions. You’re completely right with your quote above…the difference will be none….the end result will be the same..a photo essay.

Anyway, to me this idea is valuable because it is a “creative concept” a marketing tool to bring more awareness to the pictures, to make the project “memorable”, different and fun…
I come from the advertising business and sometimes is nice to create a “story” to stand out, to make something fresh, to get the attention…this is the reason for this…otherwise it does not make any sense…it’s easier to upload the images.

Maybe I can started it locally, in a smaller scale…I really believe in it…I really like it.

thanks again for your imput.
Carlos

]]> By: Alysia http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22850 Alysia Sat, 26 May 2007 09:33:24 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22850 Hi Carlos Rubin. Nice to meet you! You may live on a 100x35 island, but you have internet access! That's pretty cool. This roving camera project is very interesting, but somewhere along the blog I seem to recall it's a different direction than David's project. That said, it has some interesting legs (as they say, whoever "they" are). It seems this could be done in a pretty cool way on a site like Zooomr -- a sort of mashup media site combining maps (location of photo) with blog and photos... (if you look at Zooomr today, I think they're transitioning to new servers or something because they're down now)... It seems a project like this needs some serious structure in order to work. My biggest question (probably asked somewhere up there already) is what difference does it make if the camera travels or if everyone just posts photos from their different region/location? It's that portion that I can't seem to wrap my head around because in the end, the product is a photo essay collaboration for which when you look at it you cannot tell if photos were taken with the same camera or not. As someone said above, it's an experiential piece whereby the end viewer won't have insight into the experience (of the flying camera)... I'm stumped. If the camera could take photos on its own of its journey (the customs guy, the road to the mailbox, the box opening, the room it sits in until it's picked up), then we'd see the camera's story. But that's not possible (and defeats the artistic expression portion). Otherwise, maybe it's just as effective and not as difficult to organize this group of DAH bloggers to collaborate on a photo essay (religion is a broad but universal topic) using their own cameras but posting in one mass blog/zooomr collection... The same community could "edit" the photos using some sort of polling and collaborative sorting. It would be a visual blog created by a group... Thoughts? Additional info your project? - Alysia Hi Carlos Rubin. Nice to meet you! You may live on a 100×35 island, but you have internet access! That’s pretty cool. This roving camera project is very interesting, but somewhere along the blog I seem to recall it’s a different direction than David’s project. That said, it has some interesting legs (as they say, whoever “they” are). It seems this could be done in a pretty cool way on a site like Zooomr — a sort of mashup media site combining maps (location of photo) with blog and photos… (if you look at Zooomr today, I think they’re transitioning to new servers or something because they’re down now)… It seems a project like this needs some serious structure in order to work. My biggest question (probably asked somewhere up there already) is what difference does it make if the camera travels or if everyone just posts photos from their different region/location? It’s that portion that I can’t seem to wrap my head around because in the end, the product is a photo essay collaboration for which when you look at it you cannot tell if photos were taken with the same camera or not. As someone said above, it’s an experiential piece whereby the end viewer won’t have insight into the experience (of the flying camera)… I’m stumped. If the camera could take photos on its own of its journey (the customs guy, the road to the mailbox, the box opening, the room it sits in until it’s picked up), then we’d see the camera’s story. But that’s not possible (and defeats the artistic expression portion). Otherwise, maybe it’s just as effective and not as difficult to organize this group of DAH bloggers to collaborate on a photo essay (religion is a broad but universal topic) using their own cameras but posting in one mass blog/zooomr collection… The same community could “edit” the photos using some sort of polling and collaborative sorting. It would be a visual blog created by a group… Thoughts? Additional info your project?

- Alysia

]]> By: Carlos Rubin http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22851 Carlos Rubin Fri, 25 May 2007 22:45:33 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22851 Hi everybody...I don't want to lose the "momentum" that we have with the "Traveling Camera Project", I'll love to do it. I can't do it myself alone so I want to write down here what I "think" could be a logical plan (in very simple words) and then I'll love to have feedback from all of you if we still want to do it. 1) We have David's support (that means a lot) 2) We need to identified a sponsor or a couple of them. For me they should be a Mail Carrier (FedEx. UPS, etc.)a camera manufacturer (Nikon, Canon, Leica) and some "storage" provider like Sand Disk to mention one. 3) We need to write a proposal to those sponsors about the project. In this stage it doesn't need to be a comprehensive one, just an introductory letter with our idea objectives and goals (to get their attention to the project) 4) Living in an island 100 x 35 I'm not the best guy to do that. Well...I can do it but I need at least somebody that knows any person inside Canon, Nikon, UPS or FedEx main offices so our letter gets there..to the right people 5)That letter can be signed by all of us as an organization or group we can create under the name "The Traveling Camera Project". That group can live in this Blog if David agrees and I can make a nice logo,letterhead or any other identity if we want to or we need to. 6)While we do all these, we can all define logistics about the project...theme, trayectory, uploads, exhibition?, purpose etc. etc. 7)And then, we have to define a "departure day" and "arrival date" (a launching date and project finale) 8) My questions.... a)What about the religion theme? I like it b) any other suggestion about theme? c) Why are we doing this? Maybe this is a group that meet each other thru David's blog and we decide to send the camera to each other as a way to create a common assignment and share our vision about it...a "symbolic" way to participate together in a commom project?..maybe because we know that we can't meet in a common place we decided to send our most valuable tool to each other... a colaborative project between very known photographers, unknown photographers and students with one vision in common.... a project that we can repeat every year with new people coming to the blog and make an even more powerful document about the world we all share? My Tech questions... 1) Does this camera needs to come back to a "headquarter" every 3 trips (for downloads,checks, batteries, etc) 2) film or digital? 3) What happens if the camera get lost or broken (the project comes to an end...we have a back up from our sponsor? 4) Time frame for this project... 1 month...3 months, 6 months...1 year? let's do it...I still like it a lot. Alysia....help please... Carlos Rubin Hi everybody…I don’t want to lose the “momentum” that we have with the “Traveling Camera Project”, I’ll love to do it.

I can’t do it myself alone so I want to write down here what I “think” could be a logical plan (in very simple words) and then I’ll love to have feedback from all of you if we still want to do it.

1) We have David’s support (that means a lot)

2) We need to identified a sponsor or a couple of them. For me they should be a Mail Carrier (FedEx. UPS, etc.)a camera manufacturer (Nikon, Canon, Leica) and some “storage” provider like Sand Disk to mention one.

3) We need to write a proposal to those sponsors about the project. In this stage it doesn’t need to be a comprehensive one, just an introductory letter with our idea objectives and goals (to get their attention to the project)

4) Living in an island 100 x 35 I’m not the best guy to do that. Well…I can do it but I need at least somebody that knows any person inside Canon, Nikon, UPS or FedEx main offices so our letter gets there..to the right people

5)That letter can be signed by all of us as an organization or group we can create under the name “The Traveling Camera Project”. That group can live in this Blog if David agrees and I can make a nice logo,letterhead or any other identity if we want to or we need to.

6)While we do all these, we can all define logistics about the project…theme, trayectory, uploads, exhibition?, purpose etc. etc.

7)And then, we have to define a “departure day” and “arrival date” (a launching date and project finale)

8) My questions….
a)What about the religion theme? I like it
b) any other suggestion about theme?
c) Why are we doing this? Maybe this is a group that meet each other thru David’s blog and we decide to send the camera to each other as a way to create a common assignment and share our vision about it…a “symbolic” way to participate together in a commom project?..maybe because we know that we can’t meet in a common place we decided to send our most valuable tool to each other… a colaborative project between very known photographers, unknown photographers and students with one vision in common….
a project that we can repeat every year with new people coming to the blog and make an even more powerful document about the world we all share?

My Tech questions…
1) Does this camera needs to come back to a “headquarter” every 3 trips (for downloads,checks, batteries, etc)
2) film or digital?
3) What happens if the camera get lost or broken (the project comes to an end…we have a back up from our sponsor?
4) Time frame for this project… 1 month…3 months, 6 months…1 year?

let’s do it…I still like it a lot.

Alysia….help please…
Carlos Rubin

]]> By: Paul Treacy http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22852 Paul Treacy Thu, 24 May 2007 21:01:29 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22852 I'm onside. Spending time with you here has awakened in me an irrepressible desire to create. My motivations now are focused towards children. Those most precious of creatures. I've been endeavoring to make photographs of my own youngsters as a way to see into their world as best I can. To capture their pure delight at life's simple pleasures. To witness their enormous and exquisite imaginings. And in this effort I have come to know myself so much better. The good and the bad but most especially the good. I want my boys to be free thinkers. To be able to catch those fleeting thoughts and ideas and spend time with them. To mould them. To live them. As I do. As I try to remember to do. Some of their thoughts and ideas can be quite frightening. But that's fine. They may only be frightening to us "mature" grown-ups. Suffice to say, I hope one day to make a book of my work on this. I have made a fine start, me thinks, but there is so much more to do. My concern here is that many of us parents just don't get it with kids. They have so much to teach us. All we need to do is partake. To wallow in the mud with them. To smell, to taste, to feel and to see with them. To listen to their quite astonishing questions. But not to intrude. Just visit. Spend time. This is their domain afterall. This is what I'm trying to do with my photographs. Thank you David for your brilliance and your dedication to our craft and it's practitioners. Thank you for helping me to fuel my effort. I’m onside. Spending time with you here has awakened in me an irrepressible desire to create. My motivations now are focused towards children. Those most precious of creatures.

I’ve been endeavoring to make photographs of my own youngsters as a way to see into their world as best I can. To capture their pure delight at life’s simple pleasures. To witness their enormous and exquisite imaginings. And in this effort I have come to know myself so much better. The good and the bad but most especially the good.

I want my boys to be free thinkers. To be able to catch those fleeting thoughts and ideas and spend time with them. To mould them. To live them. As I do. As I try to remember to do.

Some of their thoughts and ideas can be quite frightening. But that’s fine. They may only be frightening to us “mature” grown-ups.

Suffice to say, I hope one day to make a book of my work on this. I have made a fine start, me thinks, but there is so much more to do.

My concern here is that many of us parents just don’t get it with kids. They have so much to teach us. All we need to do is partake. To wallow in the mud with them. To smell, to taste, to feel and to see with them. To listen to their quite astonishing questions. But not to intrude. Just visit. Spend time. This is their domain afterall.

This is what I’m trying to do with my photographs.

Thank you David for your brilliance and your dedication to our craft and it’s practitioners. Thank you for helping me to fuel my effort.

]]> By: Aga_Luczakowska http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22853 Aga_Luczakowska Thu, 24 May 2007 12:59:19 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22853 :-) Mostly I am shooting religious storys (pilgrimares, processions, religious workshoops, ashura, corpus christi ect...now Mormon missionarys) so i love your idea! :-)
Mostly I am shooting religious storys (pilgrimares, processions, religious workshoops, ashura, corpus christi ect…now Mormon missionarys) so i love your idea!

]]> By: Carlos Rubin http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22854 Carlos Rubin Thu, 24 May 2007 07:17:55 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22854 What I like about religion is that (at least here) religion have become many things in addtion to rituals. Religion have divided many sectors of our society...they have become like political parties...they fight each other to gain more members...they participate actively in politics issues...lot of thems have become very rich people with their own tv channels and other kinds of media...2 weeks ago came to Puerto Rico somebody that call himself Jesus Christ...the guy is puertorrican, have planes, boats and bodyguards and followers all over Latin America...incredible... Also caribbean countries like Cuba, Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico and Haiti to mention some of them, have a lot of "Santeria" and other interesting rituals...I think it's a very interesting theme...In Puerto Rico a church does not pay taxes...is that the same in otther Countries? saludos. Carlos Rubin What I like about religion is that (at least here) religion have become many things in addtion to rituals. Religion have divided many sectors of our society…they have become like political parties…they fight each other to gain more members…they participate actively in politics issues…lot of thems have become very rich people with their own tv channels and other kinds of media…2 weeks ago came to Puerto Rico somebody that call himself Jesus Christ…the guy is puertorrican, have planes, boats and bodyguards and followers all over Latin America…incredible…

Also caribbean countries like Cuba, Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico and Haiti to mention some of them, have a lot of “Santeria” and other interesting rituals…I think it’s a very interesting theme…In Puerto Rico a church does not pay taxes…is that the same in otther Countries?

saludos.
Carlos Rubin

]]> By: David http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22855 David Thu, 24 May 2007 05:21:56 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22855 i think i like the religion theme...within that theme you could actually have all of those other themes included....you can always, anytime, anywhere make a religion picture...no real access required, or at least very little...and religion really is one of the issues of our time , if not THE issue... the energy issue, the war issue, the single mother issue, the abortion issue, etc etc can all be tied to religion....unlimited possibilities....and unlimited editing nightmare!!!! so, with religion you have open access, can be done any time, and is at least one of the most important themes we could tackle... i think i like the religion theme…within that theme you could actually have all of those other themes included….you can always, anytime, anywhere make a religion picture…no real access required, or at least very little…and religion really is one of the issues of our time , if not THE issue… the energy issue, the war issue, the single mother issue, the abortion issue, etc etc can all be tied to religion….unlimited possibilities….and unlimited editing nightmare!!!!

so, with religion you have open access, can be done any time, and is at least one of the most important themes we could tackle…

]]> By: Carlos Rubin http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22856 Carlos Rubin Thu, 24 May 2007 01:45:59 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22856 Hola Carlos, somebody mentioned the enviromental issue that is very relevant in this moment...I also like the religion theme because we live in a world of many rituals....Here in Puerto Rico we have a couple of "issues" that are very interesting but I don't know if they are "worldwide issues". One of them is "depression" (young people living without any motivation and depressed by war and other issues)...also we have the "lost bullet" issue during celebrations (mostly new years' eve) where every year innocent people die because of this practice...we also have a new generation of young people with a different concept about friendship (no more getting together...instead you have your tech lab in your room and you chat all day...the facebook, you tube... and so on generation)...we have mothers losing her sons because of Irak...We have new concepts about sex where early experimentation in any direction seems more normal every day....ideas please?? saludos. Rubín Hola Carlos,
somebody mentioned the enviromental issue that is very relevant in this moment…I also like the religion theme because we live in a world of many rituals….Here in Puerto Rico we have a couple of “issues” that are very interesting but I don’t know if they are “worldwide issues”. One of them is “depression” (young people living without any motivation and depressed by war and other issues)…also we have the “lost bullet” issue during celebrations (mostly new years’ eve) where every year innocent people die because of this practice…we also have a new generation of young people with a different concept about friendship (no more getting together…instead you have your tech lab in your room and you chat all day…the facebook, you tube… and so on generation)…we have mothers losing her sons because of Irak…We have new concepts about sex where early experimentation in any direction seems more normal every day….ideas please??

saludos.
Rubín

]]> By: Carlos Manuel Martínez http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22857 Carlos Manuel Martínez Wed, 23 May 2007 19:26:50 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22857 “monga”… that´s a cool word… Here we say “Pacheco”… this was the last name of a man who cultivated flowers in the mountain near Caracas… he came down to the city to sell his flowers every December… so the people associated the arriving of the cold with Pacheco… and now we say “hace Pacheco!” (It`s cold!)… Ok… back to the subject… Am thinking about your brainstorming carlos… and am looking to some of the websites and links of the people who write in this blog… trying to find common subjects… this could be a start to find common interests… For example, I see a lot of photos of children (most of them in your site)… That could be a subject… or maybe something related with children (the importance of education… I don’t know, childhood is to me a very important theme)… aga has a very interesting essay about being almost a child yet and mother at the same time… I also see religion as a common point… is everywhere… and is present in most the sites I visited… I saw also a cool subject named “streets athletes of new york” in lance´s site that made me think a lot… some subject like that… people play games in the street in most of places… a lot of street photography… to me is important that everybody feel connected with the subject… and seeing all your works I can presume what is important for each one… Like “monga” or “Pacheco”… the core of the subject is the same… but will be expressed by everybody in a different manner… Saludos, “monga”… that´s a cool word…
Here we say “Pacheco”… this was the last name of a man who cultivated flowers in the mountain near Caracas… he came down to the city to sell his flowers every December… so the people associated the arriving of the cold with Pacheco… and now we say “hace Pacheco!” (It`s cold!)…
Ok… back to the subject… Am thinking about your brainstorming carlos… and am looking to some of the websites and links of the people who write in this blog… trying to find common subjects… this could be a start to find common interests…
For example, I see a lot of photos of children (most of them in your site)… That could be a subject… or maybe something related with children (the importance of education… I don’t know, childhood is to me a very important theme)… aga has a very interesting essay about being almost a child yet and mother at the same time…
I also see religion as a common point… is everywhere… and is present in most the sites I visited…
I saw also a cool subject named “streets athletes of new york” in lance´s site that made me think a lot… some subject like that… people play games in the street in most of places… a lot of street photography…
to me is important that everybody feel connected with the subject… and seeing all your works I can presume what is important for each one…
Like “monga” or “Pacheco”… the core of the subject is the same… but will be expressed by everybody in a different manner…
Saludos,

]]> By: Carlos Rubin http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22858 Carlos Rubin Wed, 23 May 2007 17:36:33 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22858 Hi...I'm with a big "monga" right now (cold) I don't want to go to work buy I have to.... I think that this project should have one theme in common, something that affects everybody everywhere right now and maybe the enviromental issue is a good one (I don't know). I also think that maybe the last person that have the camera should decide where to send it next to make the thing less predictable and to really reach new and unknow places...bib places and little places... When 9/11, I bought a picture thru an organization called "Here is New York"....eveybody that was near the twin towers during 9/11 sent pictures to this organization, they print them out and you can buy them for $20....you never new who was the photographer...maybe was David...Steve McCurry or just Carlos Rubin a tourist in NY during those days. This little detail made de project unpredictable and made people buy the pictures for the right reasons...to help. I also remember the impact that I had when I went to ICP in New York with my wife to see an exhibition about 9/11. I remember that they put there a Canon body, full of dust of a photographer that died while working but he managed to take several last pictures that were recovered....That day, for me, that Canon body was a lot more than an object to see..I think that maybe the traveling camera as I say before is a 'concept" or "gymic" to make this journey more interesting, to bring more awareness to the project, in a way, it's a "marketing tool" a very symbolic and emotional one... If we rationalize why are we doing this....we don't have to because the results can be achieve without so much hard work, because at the end what we need is the pictures. But, the "romantic" and emotional value of a camera traveling camera on its own, around the world with a mission, unifying people with a same purpose, transmiting positive energy from hand to hand, going from famous photographers to unknown.... makes this project "likeable" to a mass audience....not only to a community pf photographers. It will be appealing to media because it has a "soul",,,the camera becomes somebody...and that...at the end will bring a lot of people to the issue and that should be what we want (enviromental?...the effect of war in families all over the world?....the effect of tecnology in family relations around the world?...This part is hard to me to figure out...just brainstorming... Hi…I’m with a big “monga” right now (cold) I don’t want to go to work buy I have to….

I think that this project should have one theme in common, something that affects everybody everywhere right now and maybe the enviromental issue is a good one (I don’t know). I also think that maybe the last person that have the camera should decide where to send it next to make the thing less predictable and to really reach new and unknow places…bib places and little places…

When 9/11, I bought a picture thru an organization called “Here is New York”….eveybody that was near the twin towers during
9/11 sent pictures to this organization, they print them out and you can buy them for $20….you never new who was the photographer…maybe was David…Steve McCurry or just Carlos Rubin a tourist in NY during those days. This little detail made de project unpredictable and made people buy the pictures for the right reasons…to help.

I also remember the impact that I had when I went to ICP in New York with my wife to see an exhibition about 9/11. I remember that they put there a Canon body, full of dust of a photographer that died while working but he managed to take several last pictures that were recovered….That day, for me, that Canon body was a lot more than an object to see..I think that maybe the traveling camera as I say before is a ‘concept” or “gymic” to make this journey more interesting, to bring more awareness to the project, in a way, it’s a “marketing tool” a very symbolic and emotional one…

If we rationalize why are we doing this….we don’t have to because the results can be achieve without so much hard work, because at the end what we need is the pictures.

But, the “romantic” and emotional value of a camera traveling camera on its own, around the world with a mission, unifying people with a same purpose, transmiting positive energy from hand to hand, going from famous photographers to unknown….
makes this project “likeable” to a mass audience….not only to
a community pf photographers. It will be appealing to media because it has a “soul”,,,the camera becomes somebody…and that…at the end will bring a lot of people to the issue and that should be what we want (enviromental?…the effect of war in families all over the world?….the effect of tecnology in family relations around the world?…This part is hard to me to figure out…just brainstorming…

]]> By: David http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22859 David Wed, 23 May 2007 16:13:55 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22859 another thing to think about.... why is the camera traveling and who does it go to??? in other words, if we took all of the photogs who will get this camera to just take a picture on the theme decided, would the final result not be the same?? or does the camera get sent randomly like a chain letter?? somebody has to think of a "reason" for the camera to be traveling in terms of the actual pictures which will be taken.... carlos, where did you go??? come back and give us some details!!! another thing to think about….

why is the camera traveling and who does it go to??? in other words, if we took all of the photogs who will get this camera to just take a picture on the theme decided, would the final result not be the same?? or does the camera get sent randomly like a chain letter??

somebody has to think of a “reason” for the camera to be traveling in terms of the actual pictures which will be taken….

carlos, where did you go??? come back and give us some details!!!

]]> By: Aga_Luczakowska http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-2/#comment-22860 Aga_Luczakowska Wed, 23 May 2007 13:20:45 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22860 I agree with you Lance.. traveling camera is good idea, but it shouldn't be story about "everything" it has to be one choosed topic for everybody I am hungry too ;) I agree with you Lance.. traveling camera is good idea, but it shouldn’t be story about “everything” it has to be one choosed topic for everybody

I am hungry too ;)

]]> By: Lance Rosenfield http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-1/#comment-22861 Lance Rosenfield Wed, 23 May 2007 01:55:24 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22861 the idea of the traveling camera is good because when the concept of connectedness, unity, "one", is portrayed, people tend to find an emotional tie.. this could be a story of "one", "the family of man", with the dots connected by the symbol of the traveling camera. the issue/concept/theme being photographed should be consistent obviously. or turn it on its head and show how a street photographer uses the tool vs. how a war photograher uses the tool.. there is a tie.. just thinking here.. thinking big.. i can picture a documentary film... with the "camera cam" like the one used in "War Photographer"... this camera travels the world and each photographer who ends up with it gets documented and througout the show the stills are highlighted because that is where the power lies. there is a great surf film, "singlefin yellow".. about a kick ass single fin surfboard shaped by one of the greats... the board is passed from one great free surfer to another all over the world.. the common thread is there, the story is there.. the beauty is there.. it works. each surfer and location is different but the common thread of the surfboard clearly illustrates their ties: the spirit of the surf.. same here with the camera and concept/theme that is photographed.. the spirit of the photograph and the spirit of the message. this is powerful.. you have one hungry photographer right here. the idea of the traveling camera is good because when the concept of connectedness, unity, “one”, is portrayed, people tend to find an emotional tie.. this could be a story of “one”, “the family of man”, with the dots connected by the symbol of the traveling camera.

the issue/concept/theme being photographed should be consistent obviously. or turn it on its head and show how a street photographer uses the tool vs. how a war photograher uses the tool.. there is a tie.. just thinking here..

thinking big.. i can picture a documentary film… with the “camera cam” like the one used in “War Photographer”… this camera travels the world and each photographer who ends up with it gets documented and througout the show the stills are highlighted because that is where the power lies.

there is a great surf film, “singlefin yellow”.. about a kick ass single fin surfboard shaped by one of the greats… the board is passed from one great free surfer to another all over the world.. the common thread is there, the story is there.. the beauty is there.. it works. each surfer and location is different but the common thread of the surfboard clearly illustrates their ties: the spirit of the surf..

same here with the camera and concept/theme that is photographed.. the spirit of the photograph and the spirit of the message.

this is powerful.. you have one hungry photographer right here.

]]> By: David http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-1/#comment-22862 David Tue, 22 May 2007 18:56:25 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22862 michael.... you are absolutely right....i never really thought that al gore really meant that he "invented" the internet...i always knew it was a misinterpretation or maybe clumsy language on his part...i was looking at the whole thing with a sense of humor anyway... thanks for the clarifying link... david michael….

you are absolutely right….i never really thought that al gore really meant that he “invented” the internet…i always knew it was a misinterpretation or maybe clumsy language on his part…i was looking at the whole thing with a sense of humor anyway…

thanks for the clarifying link…

david

]]> By: Carlos Manuel http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-1/#comment-22863 Carlos Manuel Tue, 22 May 2007 18:19:54 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22863 Just a thought… In the month of photography in France, they offered the possibility to send photos to the organization in Paris by the French Alliance (you know, the school of French). They have kind of internal correspondence or something like that. And I was thinking if they could help with the logistics of the traveling camera of Carlos. And by this, we could make a first contact with an organization that has classrooms everywhere, and could be a great sponsor for logistics, in David’s further plans like workshops. David, as you said before, magnum is very tied to France… could be this an advantage? I don’t know, is possible? Saludos, Just a thought…
In the month of photography in France, they offered the possibility to send photos to the organization in Paris by the French Alliance (you know, the school of French). They have kind of internal correspondence or something like that.
And I was thinking if they could help with the logistics of the traveling camera of Carlos.
And by this, we could make a first contact with an organization that has classrooms everywhere, and could be a great sponsor for logistics, in David’s further plans like workshops.
David, as you said before, magnum is very tied to France… could be this an advantage?
I don’t know, is possible?
Saludos,

]]> By: Michael Kircher http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-1/#comment-22864 Michael Kircher Tue, 22 May 2007 16:31:01 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22864 David, All very interesting and exciting. Can't wait to see it play out. And in the interest of fairness, Al Gore never said he invented the internet: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp David,

All very interesting and exciting. Can’t wait to see it play out.

And in the interest of fairness, Al Gore never said he invented the internet:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

]]> By: Sandip Debnath http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-1/#comment-22865 Sandip Debnath Tue, 22 May 2007 11:34:07 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22865 while i was coming to work place, i was thinking about Carlos's "travel camera" concept.. it needs a lot of work, working together on a specific theme,and we need to keep a time factor in mind as well....it will be lot of fun and amazing ... rather David's personal project would be more intimate and interpersonal... let us keep our finger crossed and go further .. Sandip while i was coming to work place, i was thinking about Carlos’s “travel camera” concept.. it needs a lot of work, working together on a specific theme,and we need to keep a time factor in mind as well….it will be lot of fun and amazing …

rather David’s personal project would be more intimate and interpersonal… let us keep our finger crossed and go further .. Sandip

]]> By: Rafal Pruszynski (jinju) http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/05/in-flight-magazines/comment-page-1/#comment-22866 Rafal Pruszynski (jinju) Tue, 22 May 2007 09:33:47 +0000 http://s57354.gridserver.com/2007/05/19/in-flight-magazines/#comment-22866 I like the travelling camera idea but I tink david's "personal projects" idea probably has a much better chance of being funded and succeeding. I was wandering David what kinds of personal projects you would be looking for? Any themes in particular? What is your idea as it stands now, and I know its early on. I like the travelling camera idea but I tink david’s “personal projects” idea probably has a much better chance of being funded and succeeding. I was wandering David what kinds of personal projects you would be looking for? Any themes in particular? What is your idea as it stands now, and I know its early on.

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