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		<title>By: Michael Kircher</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23652</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David said: &quot;...the very nature of what we do is an interesting combination of &quot;looking out&quot; at the complexities of the world and at the same time using the &quot;mirror&quot; inside to subjectively interpret what we see...&quot;



Windows and mirrors, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David said: &#8220;&#8230;the very nature of what we do is an interesting combination of &#8220;looking out&#8221; at the complexities of the world and at the same time using the &#8220;mirror&#8221; inside to subjectively interpret what we see&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Windows and mirrors, right?</p>
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		<title>By: davidalanharvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23653</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j.lee



you are right....and this is part of what i was writing to michael.....photog talk can lead to tech talk (particularly these days!) but mostly photog talk is about some project or story we are working on and the education we get from each other is second to none...and also, so often we are working alone in unfamiliar surroundings and cultures , without our friends and families around, and totally immersed in someone else&#039;s life...when we get back to our &quot;own lives&quot; or  around other photographers who have been doing the same thing somewhere else there is an &quot;outpouring&quot; of understanding and a general unspoken &quot;yes, I know what you do&quot;....



david
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j.lee</p>
<p>you are right&#8230;.and this is part of what i was writing to michael&#8230;..photog talk can lead to tech talk (particularly these days!) but mostly photog talk is about some project or story we are working on and the education we get from each other is second to none&#8230;and also, so often we are working alone in unfamiliar surroundings and cultures , without our friends and families around, and totally immersed in someone else&#8217;s life&#8230;when we get back to our &#8220;own lives&#8221; or  around other photographers who have been doing the same thing somewhere else there is an &#8220;outpouring&#8221; of understanding and a general unspoken &#8220;yes, I know what you do&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>david</p>
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		<title>By: davidalanharvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23654</link>
		<dc:creator>davidalanharvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael...yes, yes...and i suppose also the most interesting aspect of our &quot;togetherness&quot; is that the very nature of what we do is an interesting combination of &quot;looking out&quot; at the complexities of the world and at the same time using the &quot;mirror&quot; inside to subjectively interpret what we see..photogs tend to have pretty big egos, but they also tend to be sincerely interested in other people....they listen and then they look...



i am always just as interested in spending time with a  shoeshine boy on a corner in madrid as i am in hanging with the ceo of the bank that looms over his head...



cheers, david


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael&#8230;yes, yes&#8230;and i suppose also the most interesting aspect of our &#8220;togetherness&#8221; is that the very nature of what we do is an interesting combination of &#8220;looking out&#8221; at the complexities of the world and at the same time using the &#8220;mirror&#8221; inside to subjectively interpret what we see..photogs tend to have pretty big egos, but they also tend to be sincerely interested in other people&#8230;.they listen and then they look&#8230;</p>
<p>i am always just as interested in spending time with a  shoeshine boy on a corner in madrid as i am in hanging with the ceo of the bank that looms over his head&#8230;</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: J.Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23655</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if part of that quick bond is that photographers learn not to judge too harshly, less we be unable to form the bonds needed to tell our subject&#039;s stories. Empathy and acceptance are code words for the documentary photographer. Therefore, when we are around fellow photographers we can drop our masks, relax, be ourselves, and true to each other. At least that seems to be the way it works most of the time. Of course, there are the occassional urinating contests... but even those quickly lead to mutual admiration.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if part of that quick bond is that photographers learn not to judge too harshly, less we be unable to form the bonds needed to tell our subject&#8217;s stories. Empathy and acceptance are code words for the documentary photographer. Therefore, when we are around fellow photographers we can drop our masks, relax, be ourselves, and true to each other. At least that seems to be the way it works most of the time. Of course, there are the occassional urinating contests&#8230; but even those quickly lead to mutual admiration.</p>
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		<title>By: davidalanharvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23656</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>john..you always did have a unique perspective on things!!!  yes, hanging out with other photogs does make you always realize that someone else is just as crazy as you are!!!  justification dude, justification......david
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john..you always did have a unique perspective on things!!!  yes, hanging out with other photogs does make you always realize that someone else is just as crazy as you are!!!  justification dude, justification&#8230;&#8230;david</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Fulton Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R. Fulton Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful women, alcoholics, basketball players, criminals, politicians,  musicians, and psychopaths tend to hang together. Photographers tend to be very comfortable with each other. It&#039;s probably trying to figure out from others why they&#039;re &quot;inflicted&quot; with an incurable desire to go thru life taking photographs. It&#039;s a very strange way to make a living (if you think about it) so there&#039;s a desire to get to the bottom of the &#039;problem&#039;.  In my case I have always liked to go places and see things that others don&#039;t see and do. And meet people I&#039;d never ever meet otherwise. Plus I like to see what things look like photographed. I don&#039;t know. It&#039;s what I do. It&#039;s enjoyable to meet other photographers and hear and see what they&#039;re doing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful women, alcoholics, basketball players, criminals, politicians,  musicians, and psychopaths tend to hang together. Photographers tend to be very comfortable with each other. It&#8217;s probably trying to figure out from others why they&#8217;re &#8220;inflicted&#8221; with an incurable desire to go thru life taking photographs. It&#8217;s a very strange way to make a living (if you think about it) so there&#8217;s a desire to get to the bottom of the &#8216;problem&#8217;.  In my case I have always liked to go places and see things that others don&#8217;t see and do. And meet people I&#8217;d never ever meet otherwise. Plus I like to see what things look like photographed. I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s what I do. It&#8217;s enjoyable to meet other photographers and hear and see what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: davidalanharvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidalanharvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rafal....well, i am the same when it comes to shooting.....i might be friends with bill allard or alex webb, but all of us want to be alone when we are actually working....i have had various friends and family with me when i am working and i enjoy this ...most photogs do not...but the friends and family i have with me are not shooting....my girlfriend is a photographer and she shoots constantly, but we are not shooting side by side....she goes off in one direction and i go in another....



cheers, david
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rafal&#8230;.well, i am the same when it comes to shooting&#8230;..i might be friends with bill allard or alex webb, but all of us want to be alone when we are actually working&#8230;.i have had various friends and family with me when i am working and i enjoy this &#8230;most photogs do not&#8230;but the friends and family i have with me are not shooting&#8230;.my girlfriend is a photographer and she shoots constantly, but we are not shooting side by side&#8230;.she goes off in one direction and i go in another&#8230;.</p>
<p>cheers, david</p>
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		<title>By: Rafal Pruszynski (jinju)</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23659</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafal Pruszynski (jinju)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting entry, good to have a new one David:)



A couple of thoughts



1. Id love to join one of your workshops. They seem not only like a blast because of where you guys go but also because of the feeling of camraderie I can sense through your writing.



2. I like spending time with other photographers because of a very simple reason. Its my passion, something that I cant imagine not doing. So how great is it to spend time with people who have the same passion and with whom we can share. I dont have the same problems of competing with Alex Webb for stories, so this is just an amateur&#039;s perspective:) But when I go shooting I prefer to do it by myself. I like to have the freedom to go where I want and to hang around in a spot for 30 minutes if need be. But if you ever wanna shoot with me David, I wont complain:)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting entry, good to have a new one David:)</p>
<p>A couple of thoughts</p>
<p>1. Id love to join one of your workshops. They seem not only like a blast because of where you guys go but also because of the feeling of camraderie I can sense through your writing.</p>
<p>2. I like spending time with other photographers because of a very simple reason. Its my passion, something that I cant imagine not doing. So how great is it to spend time with people who have the same passion and with whom we can share. I dont have the same problems of competing with Alex Webb for stories, so this is just an amateur&#8217;s perspective:) But when I go shooting I prefer to do it by myself. I like to have the freedom to go where I want and to hang around in a spot for 30 minutes if need be. But if you ever wanna shoot with me David, I wont complain:)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kircher</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23660</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother in-law is an archaeologist in Israel.  His profession is something I&#039;ve always been fascinated with.  When he visits I am constantly peppering him questions.  I once felt the need to say something like, &quot;Hey, sorry to be bothering you again about this, but..&quot; and he stopped me in my tracks and said, &quot;I don&#039;t think you understand just how much we like talking about all this.&quot;



It&#039;s a unique occupation.  As is photography.  I know there are millions of photographers around the world, but I&#039;ll be damned if not every time I tell someone what I do they tilt their head to the side and say, &quot;Huh. Really?&quot;  They don&#039;t really know any photographers.  (Or archaeologists, I&#039;ll bet!)



I generally don&#039;t talk photography at all unless I&#039;m with another photographer.  I mean, nuts and bolts photography talk: f-stops, shutter drag, RAW vs JPG, personal projects, etc.  We&#039;re a unique bunch...if I do say so myself!



(Though some *cough-cough-David Alan Harvey-cough-cough* are more unique than others!)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother in-law is an archaeologist in Israel.  His profession is something I&#8217;ve always been fascinated with.  When he visits I am constantly peppering him questions.  I once felt the need to say something like, &#8220;Hey, sorry to be bothering you again about this, but..&#8221; and he stopped me in my tracks and said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think you understand just how much we like talking about all this.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a unique occupation.  As is photography.  I know there are millions of photographers around the world, but I&#8217;ll be damned if not every time I tell someone what I do they tilt their head to the side and say, &#8220;Huh. Really?&#8221;  They don&#8217;t really know any photographers.  (Or archaeologists, I&#8217;ll bet!)</p>
<p>I generally don&#8217;t talk photography at all unless I&#8217;m with another photographer.  I mean, nuts and bolts photography talk: f-stops, shutter drag, RAW vs JPG, personal projects, etc.  We&#8217;re a unique bunch&#8230;if I do say so myself!</p>
<p>(Though some *cough-cough-David Alan Harvey-cough-cough* are more unique than others!)</p>
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		<title>By: kim r.</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23661</link>
		<dc:creator>kim r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>true true my friend... so hurry up and get back here so we can share inspirational stories...



i&quot;ll be in DC next week, and get to meet with Sadie at NG, thanks to Robert and your efforts!! Thanks for being supportive!



kim
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true true my friend&#8230; so hurry up and get back here so we can share inspirational stories&#8230;</p>
<p>i&#8221;ll be in DC next week, and get to meet with Sadie at NG, thanks to Robert and your efforts!! Thanks for being supportive!</p>
<p>kim</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey David,

It is sad parting after one of your workshops. Everyone becomes such good friends and have shared so much together. The editing, critiquing, the dinners together that last till 2am. It&#039;s great being around all that passion. It&#039;s tough to go back the the real world where you&#039;re not shooting nine plus hours a day, living and breathing photography. Maybe it&#039;s time for a change...

Here&#039;s some photos from the Street Life of Rome workshop in 2004. Hope to join you again soon. Cheers!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whoopicat/sets/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey David,</p>
<p>It is sad parting after one of your workshops. Everyone becomes such good friends and have shared so much together. The editing, critiquing, the dinners together that last till 2am. It&#8217;s great being around all that passion. It&#8217;s tough to go back the the real world where you&#8217;re not shooting nine plus hours a day, living and breathing photography. Maybe it&#8217;s time for a change&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some photos from the Street Life of Rome workshop in 2004. Hope to join you again soon. Cheers!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/whoopicat/sets/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/whoopicat/sets/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Yoon</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23663</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Yoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear David,



It&#039;s been such a great experience working with you and the others, shooting deep into the night at these deeply moving and passionate easter celebrations.



Equally impressive has been seeing how you are able to be critical of our work while remaining supportive and encouraging.



I look forward to working with you again in the future and will definitely stay in touch.



Here&#039;s a photo of you chimping at one of our &quot;secret&quot; locations.



http://tinyurl.com/2v33dx



Cheers,

Nick
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear David,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been such a great experience working with you and the others, shooting deep into the night at these deeply moving and passionate easter celebrations.</p>
<p>Equally impressive has been seeing how you are able to be critical of our work while remaining supportive and encouraging.</p>
<p>I look forward to working with you again in the future and will definitely stay in touch.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a photo of you chimping at one of our &#8220;secret&#8221; locations.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2v33dx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2v33dx</a></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: david alan harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23664</link>
		<dc:creator>david alan harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carsten...very good point.....david
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carsten&#8230;very good point&#8230;..david</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Bockermann</title>
		<link>http://www.burnmagazine.org/dialogue/2007/04/parting/comment-page-1/#comment-23665</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Bockermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,



my experience with fellow photographers is very similar to yours. When I&#039;m out shooting I  don&#039;t like having another person with me - except a fellow photographer. Probably this has a lot to do with the things we do which sometimes seem very strange to people outside of photography. Our shared interest in people around us and their activities certainly also helps create a bond.



Not too long ago I spent five days on the tiny island of Mexcaltitán/Mexico (I think you know how small it is) with a photographer friend. It was fantastic, we pushed each other, shared ideas and, more importantly, friendship with people who live there. Five days there with a non-photographer would be very tough, I guess...



For me photography has been, among many other things, a great door-opener. Almost anywhere I go there are other photographers who help with logistics, contacts, equipment etc. etc. Of course they are in a way competitors, but I never look at them that way.



Another aspect might be that a photographer is IMHO very much defined by his or her personality, not so much by a technical skill that one could learn. What I mean is that each of us is more &#039;unique&#039; as a photographer than, say, a lawyer or a dentist would be in their respective profession (I&#039;m not implying lawyers and dentists don&#039;t have unique personalities; it just seems that their profession and their personality are less intertwined than is the case with photographers). This makes us more interested in one another than people with very similar skills would be.



Cheers



Carsten
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>my experience with fellow photographers is very similar to yours. When I&#8217;m out shooting I  don&#8217;t like having another person with me &#8211; except a fellow photographer. Probably this has a lot to do with the things we do which sometimes seem very strange to people outside of photography. Our shared interest in people around us and their activities certainly also helps create a bond.</p>
<p>Not too long ago I spent five days on the tiny island of Mexcaltitán/Mexico (I think you know how small it is) with a photographer friend. It was fantastic, we pushed each other, shared ideas and, more importantly, friendship with people who live there. Five days there with a non-photographer would be very tough, I guess&#8230;</p>
<p>For me photography has been, among many other things, a great door-opener. Almost anywhere I go there are other photographers who help with logistics, contacts, equipment etc. etc. Of course they are in a way competitors, but I never look at them that way.</p>
<p>Another aspect might be that a photographer is IMHO very much defined by his or her personality, not so much by a technical skill that one could learn. What I mean is that each of us is more &#8216;unique&#8217; as a photographer than, say, a lawyer or a dentist would be in their respective profession (I&#8217;m not implying lawyers and dentists don&#8217;t have unique personalities; it just seems that their profession and their personality are less intertwined than is the case with photographers). This makes us more interested in one another than people with very similar skills would be.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Carsten</p>
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